From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT
By Paul Homewood
h/t Ian Magness
Worrying news from Denmark.
From TV2 Denmark:
Below is the translation:
Cows are collapsing, say farmers and suspect statutory feed Following dissatisfaction among cows with new feed, the national association demands clarification. The substance Bovaer is intended to reduce cows' emissions of the greenhouse gas methane, which is emitted through the cows' burps.
1 Nov at 09.24 By Berfin Erdem Several dairy cows are not thriving and are producing less milk. And in some cases they are collapsing. A controversial additive called Bovaer, which is to be mixed into the cows' feed, is suspected of being the cause of the problems. Several farmers say this, writes Jyllands-Posten on Friday. Since 1 October, farmers have started mixing the statutory additive into the cows' feed. The aim is to reduce the cows' emissions of the greenhouse gas methane, and Bovaer has previously been thoroughly tested over several years. Yet something seems to have gone wrong in the roll-out. - We have so many people calling us and are unhappy about what is happening in their herds, says Kjartan Poulsen, chairman of the National Association of Danish Milk Producers, to TV 2. The organization has now launched an investigation into the matter, he says.
Cows have been eating grass for eternity. Why mess with their diets now?
Unintended consequences. Nature’s way of saying “Don’t be stupid”.
It also depends on one’s definition of “safe and effective.”
Dr Fauci?
Are you sure it’s unintended?
Again? Something rotten in Denmark?
It seems that human stupidity is boundless giving Nature plenty to do.
The relevance of all this is based on an idiotic fantasy spun by some expert scammers…Why don’t we all just say: “Bugger off, and leave our food production alone..!!”
I’m guessing that wasn’t an intentional pun: Why don’t we all just say: “Bugger off, and leave our food production alone..!!”
They all use Blair methodologies nowadays: “It’s my job to listen to you all and then to tell you why you are wrong”.
What is it with women and fad diets? I accepted homogenising and pasteurising to save a bellyache only to stand utterly bewildered in front of the fridge at the supermarket trying to find plain simple moo juice. The space invaders don’t even like the stuff but torture kids with weird stuff for some sort of revenge pathology syndrome for saggy boobs. I need a grant to study this.
On the one hand you have the rabid rewilding crew – don’t dare touch it nature knows best etc.
And on the other hand, the overzealous meddling with nature. In this case depriving cows of their natural (nature knows best) food – bog standard grass – and all to, er, save the planet. Environmentalism is riven with contradictions like these and makes no sense at all.
Why we should rewild ourselves and the places we live
Rewilding is helping natural processes re-establish themselves. – Natural History Museum
They say we should even let our gardens rewild themselves, but professional gardeners are not convinced…
Wild gardens are ‘puritanical nonsense’, say TV gardeners
An untouched patch of ground is ‘not a garden’ whatever fashionistas might think, say Monty Don and Alan Titchmarsh – The Telegraph
Leave the flora well alone and pick on the fauna instead.
“Bovaer, a brand name for the additive 3-Nitrooxypropanol or “3-NOP”, has undergone rigorous safety assessments as part of the FSA’s market authorisation process, and is approved for use in Great Britain.” UK Gov
Again, people are far from convinced.
I’ve spent almost 3 weeks contacting over 130 dairy suppliers/brands about the BOVAER issue. I’ve finally got a list of 37 safe, (currently), brands/dairies. UK Reloaded
The only word that sums up environmentalism as we see it is: incoherence – on every level.
“They say we should even let our gardens rewild themselves, but professional gardeners are not convinced…”
One of my neighbors believes it best to let their lawn grow wild. It looks like hell. She’s an artist and he’s a former attorney (couldn’t handle the job). Their lawn is now full of shrubs and weeds. Their house is long overdue for a paint job. Instead of bringing their junk to the town’s recycling center, they just dump it behind their house- so when I go behind my house, I can see it. Their property is starting to look like the Beverly Hillbillies Appalachian house and yard. But, of course, it’s all now more natural! I should complain to them but I’d just as soon ignore it- that’s easier than getting into an argument with them.
It would be more “natural” if there were no house there at all. I suggest you point this out to your lazy neighbor.
A garden by definition is [managed and] some form of cultivation, be it flowers, herbs, fruits, vegetables etc.
An untouched patch of ground is ‘not a garden’ whatever fashionistas might think
I would say your neighbour is a bit of a fashionista.
A “garden” in England is what Americans call a “yard”, so I have been told.
If you think a lawn is hell because of neglect and has ‘shrubs and weeds’ there is no helping you. A perfect lawn is good for one thing only, well maybe 2: tennis and golf.
Letting grass go wild you get all sorts of small wildflowers and yes, nettles, small shrubs as well. Insects and birds love it. As do other animals. It is pleasant. It is only those with an overblow idea of a lawn and those who want to squeeze every inch out of their acres w one type of grass where nothing else grows and is more efficient who think all else is bad.
I am NOT saying ‘rewilding’ is always good and i would not like it enforced on a grand scale w subsequent parcels outside it being attacked for ‘pollution’ ( as happens in the Netherlands).
I like small scale unenforced re- wilding. I dislike people who want to enforce their ways on me..period.
‘Insects and birds love it.’
Ticks are especially partial to scrub.
Reviewing my 84 years, the dominant social change has been an increase in the % of working people paid to tell others what they can and cannot do. Society has seen a multiplication of Little Hitlers. I do not approve. Geoff S
Mini-Caesars
with fancy titles
Yep and they all translate to the one actual title – People Who Can’t Get Real Jobs.
For example:
Nitwit though he is, I think he’s actually faking being a nitwit and actually does know that grass is sustainable. Which brings up the question – how far down the pyramid of uselessness in Denmark, the UK, New Zealand, the US etc,. do you you have to go to find people who actually do not know that grass is sustainable?
bingo! I spent 50 years as a forester with the state of Wokeachusetts watching every single thing I did- and when I complained about their bad policies they tried to take away my license.
My lawn is far from perfect as I don’t put much effort into it and have had a number of drought seasons. I don’t want to irrigate with well water.
If I don’t keep it mowed it quickly reverts to brush and poplar and birch an would difficult to walk on. Also greater wildfire hazard. Keeping trees and invasive alien weeds from growing in is a fair bit of work but I consider it worthwhile.
Maybe it is different where you are. Grass is generally a good land management in settled areas.
Correct, especially when the grassy areas are mixed with woods, fields, orchards, etc. That’s been my goal- mix it up. Many wildlife species like such a mix of micro environments. Others of course like the wilderness- that’s fine- we need some of that too, on the large scale.
Pigs gonna pig.
There are HOA communities for those who want everything the same up and down the street. Some folks thrive on that sort of thing. Personally I thrive on a place with now zoning what-so-ever.
“And they’re all made out of ticky-tacky and they all look the same.”
It’s called a “fire hazard” and your wonderful neighbors are going to burn your entire neighborhood down. Call the fire marshal. Or your attorney. Mount a lawsuit. Deadly stupid should not be tolerated.
After the devastating Oakland Hills fire here in N. Cal. in 1991, everything became more highly regulated (which was a good thing) and there were rules about distances of shrubs, brush etc from homes. Fire Marshals come around every year and give people citations if they have fire hazards in their yards. They don’t have that in Wokeachussetts?
Contact the Fire Department. Maybe all this junk is a fire hazard.
If bower birds messing with the environment are natural …
If beavers damming rivers is natural …
Then humans messing with the environment are natural.
Time for this one:
But don’t American cattle get fed a lot of growth hormones, too? They do.
That’s something we in the UK don’t do. Just let the cows and bulls do their thing?
I suppose the top image should say “cattle” instead of just “cows”.
A while back someone (a chemist) pointed out that the name and diagram for one of those is wrong. But he, a least, got the point.
“But he, a least, got the point.”
Did he? And of course, I did not.
You do know American beef is a no-no here?
Yeah, I’m not sure I get it totally, but I think the author was trying to make the point that one compound is a wonderful thing, but another is frowned upon in Europe or something. The lower compound is actually estradiol, which is not used in bovine milk production, so I guess the point was (if the author had got it right) was that BST (in my post above) is horrible (in Europe). That would not be correct, but it’s banned there anyway.
It’s all the usual pile of crap at pretty much every level.For example, MTBE is not used in gasoline in the US for environmental concerns, but it is in Europe because they don’t or didn’t have a thriving ethanol industry like the US and Brazil so, needing octane boosts they turn a blind eye to the environmental concerns.
Yeah, that was me, and it’s still wrong. That’s a much more complicated structure than 3-nitrooxypropanol, Bovaer here:
No ranchers where I live feed their cattle growth hormones. Just grass and grass hay, and sometimes corn silage. You Brits are starving yourselves to death on top of all your other social suicide tendencies.
Yes, the oestrogen in US feedlot beef can become an issue if you eat more than 3 million beef patties per day. That can cause other problems too. Numbers matter.
You are ignoring the zero linear threshold.
Yes, they get fed BST. It was called bovine growth hormone, but I guess changing the name to bovine somatotropin had some camouflage value. It’s a protein and yes, you’re correct it was banned in Europe. A large company here in the US was working on it heavily for the European market and when it got shut off, a company I was working for (allegedly – I was essentially consulting) became the beneficiaries for another biotechnology protein product. Proteins may have profound biological effects but they don’t form toxic by-products or residues.
As I have shown here, the whole lifestock adds enough methane to maintain some 0.14W/m2 in radiative forcing. With only about 6 years in half-life you need to think of methane levels to be constantly fed with input, or else they will drop.
These 0.14W/m2 do not take into consideration the substitution of previous wild ruminants with lifestock. How much methane they emitted pre-industrial, or pre-mankind is hard to tell. It seems like “climate science” tries to downplay these figures, for instance by claiming a bison would only emit 30% the methane a cow does, which makes very little sense. More realistically one could assume it was like 1/2 of our present life-stock emissions.
That would bring the forcing down to an effective 0.07W/m2, comparable to that of the official figure for aviation induced cirrus forcing (which is far larger for real). Bovaer is not meant to nullify these emissions, but rather reduce them by some 30% when consistently fed. So it is cows being tortured and possibly killed for virtually nothing.
Uneaten grass that decays on the ground emits more methane than if eaten by a cow.
A lot of the carbon in grass goes into growing the cow, more is deposited on the ground as manure.
A biologically active soil created by grazing animals absorbs far more methane than cows emit.
At NOAA’s Global Monitoring Lab, the concentration of methane in dry air is reported as 1.93 ppmv. How much of this methane is from natural sources such as swamps, bogs, marshes, wetlands, fens, melting permafrost, decaying vegetation, sanitary land fills, garbage dumps, wild ruminate animals, wild rice, termites, and especially African termites?
The reason for the low concentration of methane in air is due its combustion caused by discharges of lightning which generates oxygen atoms. These oxygen atoms initiate the first steps in the oxidation of methane.
A typical discharge of lightning generates several kilograms of ozone which would oxidize methane to carbon dioxide and water.
Methane is slightly soluble in cold water. One liter of ice cold water can contain up to 35 mls of methane. In the cold polar oceans methane is absorbed and slowly diffuses to the ocean floor where it is converted to the solid clathrate known as methane ice.
Big jet planes with their enormous engines are flying incinerators of methane. Indeed, all combustion processes that use fresh air will burn up the methane in it.
We really do not have too worry about methane causing any global warming because there too little of it in the air.
Although you seem to have thought a lot about it, you are all wrong. Lightnings are responsible for only a tiny share (<0.01%) of CH4 decay. Also lightnings do not trigger nuclear fission or fusion to somehow generate oxygen atoms..
He’s talking chemistry, not nuclear physics. Mono-atomic oxygen is extremely reactive, as it is “the active ingredient” of bleach.
Yeah, I think what he might mean are OH- (hydroxide) complexes. They get throughly discussed in the linked article.
The OH in this case is the radical, hydroxyl, not hydroxide.. It has no charge and is a very strong oxidising agent. In the official narrative, hydroxyl is responsible for oxidising most of the atmospheric methane. There is considerable uncertainty about this. Total emissions of methane are calculated by dividing the amount in the atmosphere (in Mt) by the lifetime. Since there is considerable uncertainty about the lifetime, there is considerable uncertainty about the total emissions and therefore natural emissions. Therefore there is considerable uncertainty about the proportion of methane emissions due to humans.
I did this search: Does a lightning discharge generate oxygen atoms from oxygen molecules? The answer is: Oxygen atoms are generated from oxygen molecules due to discharge of lightning. I did a Copilot search and found that the voltage range for lightning discharges is from 100 million to 1 billion volts. A average lightning discharge has 300 million volts of electricity.
“Let’s spend a bunch of money needlessly and risk unintended consequences, in an attempt to fix a non-existent problem”. Genius.
Has anyone investigated the true monetary cost of this experiment? Is anyone gettin’ stinkin’ rich?
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Stinking rich? Of course. Getting a few people stinking rich is the whole driving force for all “climate change” reactions of every kind.
Cows don’t live on grass, the bacterium in their gut digests the feed and the cow lives off the dead bacteria and the protein they produce. If Bovaer is designed to stop the bacterial activity in the cow’s gut the cow will suffer.
Vegans? Who seemingly endeavor to be
the Taliban/Red Guards of the Green Blob.
The Vegans should go back to Vega.
Shouldn’t Vegans be fed Bovaer?
So they didn’t test this crap before forcing farmers to use it?
Rigorously! Declared, Safe & Effective™️
They didn’t test the vaccine before they forced it on us
but you expect them to test this?
On the other hand some claim that both work exactly as they were supposed to.
work exactly as they were supposed to.
That’s my question about this – are we certain this is an unintended result? After all, it IS coming from the same crowd who wants to get rid of been entirely.
More than 5 years ago I made some crazy predictions about the Covid vaccine side-effects in terms of fertility,cancer,heart diseases,increased illness and mortality rates.
Statistically impossible predictions when we use the results of all previously released vaccines.
Yet something very anti -climate -scientific happened.
I was totally right.
I also predicted an ongoing dominance for the coming years of a way too old tennis sportsman though I have no clue about tennis, but this tennis player rejected the vaccine – and though he was treated badly and was way too old he dominated tennis for 4 more years.
Because he was the only one whose body hasn’t been compromised.
Once one accept certain realities, predicting the outcome becomes so much easier.
But there is also a very easy way to predict an outcome :
Whenever someone is trying to force you(especially in the name of good) to believe or take something
this something is evil and the opposite is the right thing.
If the cows don’t eat the grass, the grass dies in late autumn and gets decomposed by bacteria which produce the methane anyway. On the ground or in the cow’s stomach doesn’t change a thing. By the way leaves from our forests also result in methane production.
Methane is a gas with a much lower concentration than water or CO2 and doesn’t have much of an effect anyway as a greenhouse gas compared to the latter. It’s complete nonsense to go after livestock for that.
Of course. It’s all part of the carbon cycle, purely natural and vital to Life.Only complete retards fail to recognize this.
The real reason for starving the Danish is to kill them off. The “leaders” hate the “subjects” and want them dead. It’s pan-ethnic genocide and has been going on for 100+ years. Really. All the political problems in Europe arise from homicidal self-loathing.
I think the breakdown pathway is different. The methane is produced by archaea in the digestive system working in an anoxic environment (approximately a big walking vat of water).
Decomposing grass produces CO2, by and large.
Methane is a greenhouse gas only in lab studies using the “standard atmosphere” which is not standard at all because it contains no water vapor. In tests using normal water-containing atmosphere, methane exhibits almost no warming because all of the available IR bands are fully occupied with water vapor – no room for methane. Happer and Wijngaarden have shown this lack of effect analytically in a very convincing way. Why is it that politicians seem unable to read the facts before fabricating such nonsensical requirements?
It’s a cowtastrophe.
Cue Desperate Dan…
Fermentation of the grass is necessary for cows to get the nutrients out of the grass.
Disrupting that fermentation means less nutrients to the cows.
re: “Cows have been eating grass for eternity. Why mess with their diets now?”
ADD THIS to the failures of the Space Shuttle, Bud Light and Cracker Barrel not necessarily in that order …
Shades of the Xhosa famine of 1856 to 1857.
Stupid people do stupid things. When they are experts, it’s even worse.
GasX for cows.
The cow is a truly remarkable animal, converting sunshine into themselves via fodder which a human cannot consume.
A cow survives well where a horse dies.
Only humans are stupid enough to interrupt what is already working wonderfully.
If t’ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
Slight correction: If it ain’t broke, don’t try to fix it.
“A cow survives well where a horse dies.”
As I heard it, cows digest about 80% of the food value from grass, where horses only digest around 20%. That’s why horses usually take about 4 times the grazing area of cows. But, in harsh weather conditions, e.g. heavy snow, horses can survive by digging out and eating their weathered droppings where cows can’t.
They wanted to eliminate beef from the diets of all humans.
Looks like they are succeeding.
I wonder if it gives them headaches it is a nitro ester after all.
Every time I handle products containing a certain 3 carbon 3 nitro group compound I get stinking headaches
A good point.
Constant or fluctuating headache in other mammals causes inappetence and ill thrift.
Were high producing dairy cows milked as usual and reduce their food intake, because of headache induced inappetance, they would then become borderline ketotic leading to downer cow syndrome.
Were methane production to reduce as planned, one could hypothesise that this also would reduce the ease and capacity of belching, eructating and the chewing of the cud,essential for the rumen reticulum to provide finer material for microbial action after the grinding molars have cut up the straw and grass provided.
Such a mechanism would reduce the basic source of free fatty acids needed to allow growth, vigor and production in a happy dairy cow.
This whole thing may be a bad idea which ends up hurting cattle.
Not that reducing methane would make any difference to the heating of the planet’s atmosphere hypothesised by the CO2 theory.
That’s because the absorption spectrum for water vapour covers that for methane, so as water vapour in the atmosphere rises to produce the predicted heating, it cancels out methane.
So if you believe the CO2 control knob theory, you are wasting your time tinkering with microbiota of cattle to reduce methane.
Then there is the Precautionary Principle.
One thing for sure in ruminant physiology is that the biota is well balanced, stabilised and effective.
Throwing in a foreign carbon based compound plus propylene glycol to give energy, which would tend to mask the deleterious energy reducing effect of the former, could lead to long term damage to the physiology and well being of cattle.
There was a case in Australia where the localAg department advocated and advised for the sowing of clover pastures to feed sheep.
Over a few years the ewes started to abort and ended up with infertility, metritis, abortion storms and death because the recommended types of red clover were oestrogenic.
Having destroyed the productivity of the farmers the Ag department was sued and paid compensation.
So from good intentions, without precaution, lots of sheep suffered for no sensible or real reason, as did the poor owners who had to shoot their sheep.
Best not repeat the mistakes of the past.
Best leave well functioning biota alone, it has no need to be saved.
More worthless crappy government.
Leave the poor cows alone; they have suffered enough already at the hands of man.
See the cows’ suffering first-hand at:
https://x.com/i/status/1985679768910758302
Slaughter the Serengeti !
Animals Bad .
Leads but a biased source:
3-Nitrooxypropanol – Wikipedia
(Brazil has a great many cattle raised for beef.)
Ruminants are sensitive to content of food – some weeds cause bad bloating, farmer needs to puncture stomach to relieve pressure.