Yet Another Lithium Battery Fire

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By Paul Homewood

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David A
January 31, 2025 2:40 am

A well done video about tragic policy. Trump is right, it is an emergency to stop the insanity. A lack of common sense is an emergency.

Scissor
Reply to  David A
January 31, 2025 4:45 am

Globalists will say that Li-ion battery fires are just a new right wing conspiracy theory. Besides, fluoride in the air at high concentrations is more effective than in water at low concentrations for what they want.

abolition man
Reply to  Scissor
January 31, 2025 6:40 am

Hey now! Fluorine is a mostly peaceful element, that is in great demand by the globalists! Without it you can’t make teflon or Prozac, and what wannabe world overlord wants to face the day without the proper attitude adjustment, or a suit of armor to prevent any heinous crimes from sticking to their all important public image? Some corporate urinalist might accidentally do some journalisming, and then where are you!?

Scissor
Reply to  abolition man
January 31, 2025 7:26 am

Methinks some journalists only get by with their daily dose of lithium too. Anyway, in Prozac, fluorine atoms are quite happily bonded with their friend carbon.

Bryan A
Reply to  abolition man
January 31, 2025 7:30 am

Where are you?
Up excrement tributary
In a submersible object
With no means of motation

strativarius
January 31, 2025 2:46 am

I can only assume all the fires reported here recently affectng battery storage installations were installations that met all the regulations. So, I wondered what is our regulatory ‘situation’?

Lithium-ion batteries: a growing fire risk
In the UK, Lithium-ion batteries discarded in domestic and business waste are responsible for an estimated 201 fires a year. 

While there are standards for the overall performance and safety of Lithium-ion batteries, there are as yet no UK standards specifically for their fire safety performance. 
https://www.britsafe.org/safety-management/2024/lithium-ion-batteries-a-growing-fire-risk

As long as it burns with a bright blue flame?

Reply to  strativarius
January 31, 2025 3:40 am

China has already banned EVs from parking below dwellings, when will we get our act together?

strativarius
Reply to  Redge
January 31, 2025 4:21 am

Why, when it’s too late, Redge. Lessons will be learned and all that.

Reply to  strativarius
January 31, 2025 4:37 am

Yep, and the “too late” will be the loss of lives.

strativarius
Reply to  Redge
January 31, 2025 4:47 am

It usually is. At least in the UK it is.

Bryan A
Reply to  Redge
January 31, 2025 1:52 pm

Won’t help much as most Chinese EVs are e-bikes (scooters) that people park AND recharge in their apartments
Millions of them accounting for 21,000 annual EV fires

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  strativarius
January 31, 2025 5:59 am

I forget which, but an automaker recommended EVs be parked no closer that 50 feet away from anything that can be damaged by fire.

Bryan A
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
January 31, 2025 7:38 am

And typical building setback lines in typical residential subdivisions is … 25 feet

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Bryan A
January 31, 2025 8:02 am

And the space between cars parked on the street is? 3 feet or less.

Rick C
Reply to  strativarius
January 31, 2025 10:22 am

It is not possible to make a zero-risk-of-defects product. But even when the risk is near zero, packing millions of identical batteries close together and interconnected creates the risk that a single defective cell will trigger a cascade of failures as occurs with these massive battery fires. Consider that the fires involving electric bikes involve perhaps several dozen cells. Even if fires only occur in, say, 1 out of 10,000 E-Bikes, imagine the consequences of one E-Bike starting on fire in a warehouse storing 10,000 E-Bikes. That’s the problem with utility scale Lithium-Ion battery electricity storge facilities like Moss Landing. A single defective cell or short in a connection can take out millions of cells and the building that houses them. See also fires destroying car carrier ships, electric bus charging stations, etc.

Bryan A
Reply to  Rick C
January 31, 2025 1:55 pm

They need to at least redesign them with Fire Brick walls between every unit or at best eliminate the entire debacle from the grid

observa
January 31, 2025 4:02 am
Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  observa
January 31, 2025 5:59 am

But, but, but, there is no censorship!
/s

strativarius
January 31, 2025 4:33 am

Story tip:  How protected species conservation works.

The free pass
“Wind turbines impact bats when placed on bat flight lines or migration routes, or near to roosts, foraging areas and swarming sites.

Bats are directly impacted by onshore wind turbines through collision with the turbine blades or injuries from air pressure changes around the blades. Indirectly, bats are impacted by onshore wind farm development through loss and fragmentation of their habitats. The impacts of offshore wind on bats foraging offshore or migrating across the sea are less well known; further research is a high priority.”
https://www.bats.org.uk/about-bats/threats-to-bats/wind-farms-and-wind-turbines

Not much is being done to protect those animals, but rest assured: research is a high priority.

The not so free pass
HS2 is a much vaunted high speed railway that is supposed to link north and south – depending on the route/costs at the time. It is variable.

“The cost of building a bat protection tunnel structure on a stretch of the HS2 route in Buckinghamshire has risen to £100m. The initial package for the arched structure spanning four tracks – two HS2 lines as well as two East West Rail lines – was originally budgeted at £40m when procurement started three years ago.

But HS2 chairman Sir John Thompson confirmed the building he referred to as a “shed” will now cost £100m.”

The Sheephouse Wood Bat Mitigation Structure will cover a 900m stretch of the railway that lies in the flight path of the rare bat species.
https://www.constructionenquirer.com/2024/11/08/cost-of-hs2-bat-shed-hits-100m/

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Imagine doing that for wind turbines rather than just the occasional train.

Reply to  strativarius
January 31, 2025 4:49 am

So the bats echolocation can’t “see” the turbine blades?

strativarius
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 31, 2025 4:54 am

The only way to protect bats from wind turbines is not to build the turbines in the first place.

Bats are directly impacted by onshore wind turbines through collision with the turbine blades or injuries from air pressure changes around the blades. “

They spin faster than they appear to. They are huge and bats are tiny.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 31, 2025 6:09 am

echolocation can’t “see” rapid changes in air pressure.
Consider that in the context of an airliner bouncing in turbulance.

MarkW
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 31, 2025 10:52 am

Echolocation is looking forward, while the blades are coming at them from the sides.
This is the same problem that raptors have. They are looking forward while the blades come in from the side.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 1, 2025 3:49 am

What apparently happens is that the low pressure in the blade wake makes their lungs explode. No I didn’t believe it either but apparently is true. Blade tips do around 200mph and are hard for anything less than speedy Gonzales to avoid

Reply to  Leo Smith
February 1, 2025 4:52 am

Wow, didn’t know all these problems bats have with turbine blades. Weird that Wokeachusetts is pushing turbines at sea as the main way to get to Net Zero nirvana by 2050. A few years ago- some disease was prevalent in the bats- and to protect them, the state prevented almost all forest harvesting unless we could prove their were no bats on the site- which is almost impossible. Anyone can claim they saw a bat on a property- or any other “rare and endangered species” and the state will put that property on a map. The person may not even have had a right to trespass on that property. So, much of the forest in the state has become difficult to do logging until you have numerous state agencies approve.

But, I wouldn’t think there would be many bats at sea.

Crisp
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 1, 2025 3:05 pm

It is not the blades themselves that kill birds and bats. Behind the trailing edge is a region of low or even negative pressure. This is called cavitation and it can be a serious problem in engineering as it leads to pitting of the metal in propellors on ships and planes, a serious matter that leads to material failure. It has to be designed out, usually leading to some loss of efficiency.
These areas are invisible to bat sonar and to birds. This sudden drop in pressure can lead to internal organ collapse as lungs, hearts, and blood vessels expand and rupture. That is what kills them. But try explaining that to a Greenie.

January 31, 2025 4:45 am

I watch all of Mguy’s videos! I like his attitude.

gDavid
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 31, 2025 6:33 am

MGuy is the first video that I look for when I go to YouTube. He is awesome.

derbrix
January 31, 2025 5:39 am

Florida Power & Light recently held an “open house” to discuss their proposed solar farm in Graceville, FL, a small town in northern Florida. This was done after the opposition to the solar farm by the residents and county commissioners. The county commissioners sent their proposal back to correct many deficiencies. Perhaps FPL thought by having the “open house” could change the opposition.

FPL wanted to completely bulldoze almost 1,000 acres of wetland, farm land & forest for a 74.5 MW solar farm. It wasn’t known before the “open house” that they were also including a battery storage there also. When I said that the small fire department could barely handle a house fire, how were they to handle these battery fires? FPL said they would provide “training”.

The “open house” simply had a dozen tables set up with large video screens manned by their employees. It was like a used car lot with the FPL employees extolling how good this solar farm was to be. FPL seemed to take the approach that the residents knew nothing of solar power.

Walter Sobchak
January 31, 2025 7:40 am

China has decided that LiIon batteries are too dangerous and is urging people to go back to lead acid.

China urges citizens to trade in ‘old lithium e-bikes’ for newer lead acid electric bikes Micah Toll | Jan 29 2025
https://electrek.co/2025/01/29/china-urges-citizens-to-trade-in-old-lithium-e-bikes-for-newer-lead-acid-electric-bikes/

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
January 31, 2025 8:39 am

Wikipedia doesn’t say so, but Jet Industry’s electric cars in the ’70s & ’80s were powered by lead acid batteries – 50 mile range & 70 mph not verified.

About ten years ago I met a guy who had one. He showed me the golf cart batteries lined up in the trunk. He said about 50 miles on a charge I didn’t ask, “How fast?” I’m thinking a lead acid plug-in hybrid with a 5 gallon gas tank would be just the ticket for an urban run-about. A visit to the gas pump would probably be a rare event.

January 31, 2025 11:27 am

The Number 1 safety directive of all energetic systems is to never store or combine the fuel with the oxidizer before use.

Since this is impossible for Li-ion batteries to achieve, their design is substandard to safety directives and therefore unsuitable for publicly available commercial use.

Apparently, compromising 150 year old safety standards while engaged in “saving the earth” is an acceptable deviation for concerned community leaders to take. Otherwise, permitting would never occur.

Bob
January 31, 2025 1:29 pm

Very nice.

Hartley
February 3, 2025 9:01 am

And yet another “lithium Ion battery” article without a single mention of battery chemistry. Folks, there are MANY different types of “lithium” batteries, with widely divergent properties, including fire susceptibility.