The UK is going all out on Net Zero. Here’s a picture above for scale. I think the UK pols still think of themselves as a global power. Sorry, that ship has sailed.
Meanwhile, our resident debunker, the ever factual Willis Eschenbach, wrote a post from two weeks ago that defines just how much the UK can impact global temperatures with this Net Zero madness: Keir Starmer’s Climate Madness
For those of you that are not part of the climate wokerati, the answer won’t surprise you.
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As far as the effect, I tend to lose track of how many zeros are there after the 0.0 C.
Seems like a desire for better weather would be rational in any case.
One would think!
These people don’t think.
It is, in fact, very difficult to measure the temperature of anything with a precision of better than 0.01 (F or C) simply because the sensor and media being measured have to come to equilibrium with each other. This means that the temperature being measured has to be very stable. That kind of stability is uncommon in nature and very difficult to achieve even in high quality labs. Also, to reach equilibrium heat must be exchanged between the sensor and media which changes the temperature of both. The effect may usually be negligible, but it depends on the mass, specific heat and thermal conductivity of the materials involved.
Heat transfer rate is proportional to temperature difference to the 4th power, so a .01 difference adds a 1/.00000001 into an equation for delay. Ouch.
I eagerly await the torches and pitchforks! Like the French revolution.
The English have a history of rebellions. Looks like it’s time for another one.
No rebellions since the introduction of universal suffrage. Net Zero was a Tory policy. Labor, the Libs and the Greens all back it. That leaves just 5 members out of 650 in the Parliament who oppose it. Thin basis for a revolution!
Yep, they’d get as much public support as Just Stop Oil.
Stokes cheers for the fabulous success of net zero insanity.
Not much of a surprise.
Amazing how he’s been here for years (?) and learned nothing.
Good point, makes one wonder about the why.
Nick, revolutions aren’t run by the Government. They are against the Government. Odds are, that having 645 members of Parliament in favor of Net Zero, should the general public start a revolution over the Net Zero foolishness, those members would be the oines that the revolution would be targeting.
“those members would be the ones that the revolution would be targeting”
Well, they voted them in.
“Well, they voted them in.”
You said previously the following:
“That leaves just 5 members out of 650 in the Parliament who oppose it. Thin basis for a revolution!”
So there was no choice. If the public rises up in revolt, it’s because they had no choice. You really are clueless.
They voted them in. That is a choice.
And their support for net zero was well publicised.
Choice? Get a dictionary!
Party A – NetZero.
Party B – NetZero!
Party C – NetZero!!
Where’s the choice?
ReformUK – 5 MPs.
Nick the UK ‘first past the post’ electoral system is in need of considerable reform.
Labour got 34% of the votes but 63% of the seats. Their vote share rose by less than 2% but they gained over 200 seats!
Reform got 14% of the vote but only 5 seats whereas the Lib Dems with only 12% of the vote got 71 seats
Yes, I agree. The aussie system of preferential voting works well.
If you say it’s good, then it must be bad!
All the more likely the public will turn on a dime- it’ll happen so fast, the elites will be shocked.
Only Nick is STUPID enough not to realise that the Tory party in the UK is just a little bet less “far-left loony” than the Labour party.
His lack of awareness is hilarious.
Tell us Nick-the-fool, how much effect on the climate will the total destruction of the UK have?
You know is it absolutely NOTHING..
… yet still you cheer for it.
Cheering for the destruction of the UK civilisation shows just how SICK and DEPRAVED you have become in your senile dotage!!
People are fickle- they change their minds quickly. Most revolutions are not anticipated- at least not the timing.
https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/nobody-expects-the-spanish-inquisition
Well, they voted them in.
Pointless, non-sequitur retort, as usual.
Once again, we remind the good people posting here:
DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.
All you do is kill innocent electrons. And based on the way things are going, they could be the next endangered species.
nailed it!
The UK system of government is often referred to there as “Two cheeks of the same arse.” IIRR, only 5 MPs voted against the Climate Act.
The Climate Change Act was introduced by Labour’s Miliband. It had all of 5 hours debate. The nutter Miliband is back in charge of the asylum as head of the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero. Neither he nor any of the management has a degree in science, technology, engineering or maths.
Milband is son of a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain and pretty much openly wants to destroy Britain. Sadly he is succeeding.
The CCA did not introduce net zero – the Tories did that. Only 5 MPs voted against the CCA. It wasn’t just Miliband, or his father.
Pretty much the same thing.
Nobody has questioned the “science “.
Don’t you ever wake up and think that maybe this carbon dioxide is the Devil lark is just that. A sham that grew from the anti capitalist soppy left.
I guess you picked the side with the pretty dippy girls and have to stick to it.
I had a conversation with that MP Vince Cable when he was canvassing and he admitted the Stern Report fiddled the figures to get the fear going. And my goodness the Brits have swallowed the nonsense hook line and sinker.
Net zero was a Labour policy, the climate change act 2008. The Tories, just added to the stupidity.
Which dictatorships brook any dissent?
What about Northern Ireland?
“a Tory policy”
Tories in the UK are totally INFECTED with Net-Zero anti-CO2 disease.. that is why they will never win another election unless that get rid of this idiocy
They are just like you are, Nick, destined to be total LOSERS.
You are obviously referring to Reform UK. Remarkably, although a very new party, its poll numbers are steadily rising and are just a nat’s whisker behind Labour and the Conservatives. Reform are the only party opposed to Nut Zero. There is a real chance Reform will form the next UK government. I can’t wait to see Nigel Farage as Prime Minister!
Yes, there is a rebellion in the UK but a peaceful and democratic one. The rebellion will eventually sweep away all the Nut Zero madness that is destroying our country. In time the UK will follow the lead of the US under Trump. But we will have to wait for the next general election, which is almost five years away – unless this appalling Labour government collapses first.
Chris
And the MSM and intellectual elite thought it impossible that Trump could win.
But, but, but according to them, Trump did not win – he stole the election!
/sarc
Talk to the farmers.
It’s all a lot of virtue signaling. It’s a feature of left-wing societies and governments. Take California, for example- they think that by eliminating gasoline-powered lawnmowers, lawn trimmers, and charcoal grills, somehow this will help the local and global environments…all while the state burns because of their stupid enviro policies.
Why on earth would people in the UK want the place to be even colder than it already is?
It’s not that cold given its latitude is the same as that well known winter sun hotspot Canada. At the moment it’s a tolerable temperature, no snow, no ice. We rarely have white Christmases, not even in 1962/63.
The question of what temperature is best is a preference for most humans in most places in 2024.
I try to make it more relevant by asking:
If you sit outside in clothes you would wear at dinner, what would happen fastest?
I think most humans on earth like it warmer, which can be seen on a graph of population density (land only) vs latitude. Compare Bangladesh to Antarctica.
In North America people who can afford to relocate for retirement usually move South. I’ve heard wealthy old Europeans migrate to Italy and the South of France. I don’t know where anyone retires to in the Southern hemisphere. Economics and life expectancy say that Southern Hemisphere retirement might not be a typical choice except for Australians.
The biggest Global Warming scare is rising oceans flooding coastal areas. Everything else is secondary.
4. Drowning?
Seems unlikely. I’d expect more dehydration among outdoorspeople than drownings among coastal residents. I had to remember what Hurricane Katrina was named by Googling it.
That’s not happening, so pick another scare.
I think it’s kind of pointless to point out how pointless one country’s net zero plans might be. THEIR point is that that if lots of other countries also did it, it may up to something substantial.
I understand that no amount of “carbon” reduction will affect temperature, but they’re not doing this solo, in a vacuum. It’s rather silly to keep pointing this out. Especially when nothing we say about it will make a damn bit of difference.
What you say would make some kind of sense *if* the ‘net zero’ers’ (in the UK, or even here in Canada, say) had any prospect of leading major emitters like China, India, Russia, etc., down their particular policy pathway!
However, since the bulk of the world is too smart to fall for the climate scam, pointing out the pointlessness of own own stupid leaders is maybe the least we can do sometimes?
I agree, David. But we should point it out in whole, not one tiny part. Show why the whole developed world going “net zero” is a fool’s game.
What is the goal? Does Net Zero achieve it?
Based on marketing, it seems like the Net Zero goal is weather control. Net Zero seems not to achieve it.
I don’t know what happened there.
Clearly a major malfunction.
A metaphor for Net Zero?
i think your CO2 levels peaked just as the models predicted
I do not either, BUT I LIKE IT!
I think it’s likely an errant copy/paste.
You just described a climate model. Did you do that intentially?
That happened to me once years ago.
I don’t remember exactly what I did other than it did involve doing a copy/paste. I think I accidentally included the “ratings” part (The stars) at the bottom of the post in my “copy”.
(If anyone wants to test that, please do it on the “Test” dropdown under “ABOUT” in the header!)
I use the same argument when paying taxes. My share is so small…
At some point the Brits need to wake up and stand up to their corrupt government.
Don’t hold your breath, most of we Brits are very compliant as long as they can have fast food, watch strictly come dancing & football (like the Romans with bread & circuses); they’ll complain … but do nothing.
We need to take lessons from the French & Dutch farmers.
There have been blockades of Dover and Holyhead ports recently by the Farmers, not reported in the Media but loads of video’s on X.
Don’t be so pessimistic, UK is sure to win the race to zero.
That is what bothers me.
Worldometer says:
Country GDP (nominal, 2022) Share of World GDP
United States $25,462,700,000,000 25.32%
China $17,963,200,000,000 17.86%
Japan $4,231,140,000,000 4.21%
Germany $4,072,190,000,000 4.05%
India $3,385,090,000,000 3.37%
United Kingdom $3,070,670,000,000 3.05%
France $2,782,910,000,000 2.77%
Russia $2,240,420,000,000 2.23%
Canada $2,139,840,000,000 2.13%
Italy $2,010,430,000,000 2.00%
USA and China are the worlds big players but UK at number 6 isn’t so bad out of almost 200 countries on earth. How the heck does Japan do it.
The venerable Nick Stokes opines that since only 5 members of Parliament oppose Net Zero, no revolution is imminent. Maybe, but the increasingly restless public feels otherwise.
The last UK election was a mandate, the next best thing to a revolution. But the mandate was misread by Labour as favoring their policies. It wasn’t. It was a repudiation of Conservative and a general rejection of the ruling elites and their policies over the last few years. Brits are getting fed up with getting more of the same, no matter which party they vote into power.
Based on the most dramatic drop in popularity of their leader in history, and the recent surge in generic popularity of both Conservative and continued growing popularity of the upstart, Reform, I’d say those 5 seats belonging to Reform will grow substantially.
Conservative supporters rank “climate change” as their 7th most important issue, while Labour supporters rank it 3rd. Reform supporters rank it last. When Conservative and Labour supporters realize their top issue, “cost of living” is caused primarily by policies to “stop” climate change that have zero measurable effect other than driving up energy prices substantially as well as the cost of everything else, I suspect they will flock to Reform.
It’s not surprising that Labour might kid themselves that their victory was due to support for their policies (not that they really said much about their actual intentions before the election). From post-election surveys that I’ve seen the most popular reason given by Labour voters for voting Labour was to get rid of the Tories. So not so much voting Labour in, more voting the Tories out. Furthermore, the current Cabinet barely has the collective intelligence to read, let alone analyse data.
Preening on the international stage is much easier than trying to actually run your country.