Surfboards and Science: Why a 17-Year-Old’s Ocean ‘Thermometer’ Won’t Save the Planet

Oh, look, The Guardian is at it again, serving up a piping hot plate of climate hysteria with a side of precocious child activism. This time, they’ve hauled out a 17-year-old surfer from Brazil to lecture us all at COP29 about how the ocean is allegedly “getting warmer.” Because, obviously, who needs thermometers, satellite data, or rigorous reconstructions of ocean temperatures when you’ve got a paddling around on a foam board?

As a surfer, I’m constantly on the ocean, and I actually felt the oceans warming,” says Catarina Lorenzo, 17, a professional surfer from Salvador, in Bahia state in Brazil.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2024/nov/19/cop29-climate-summit-live-updates-world-leaders-in-baku-azerbaijan?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-673c55e78f0866cddf1b7a15#block-673c55e78f0866cddf1b7a15

Here’s the deal: The Guardian breathlessly reports that this kid has “noticed the ocean getting warmer.” Wow, stop the presses! Cornwall’s pint-sized Jacques Cousteau has declared it so! I’m sure every scientist laboring over ARGO floats and analyzing centuries of proxy data is ready to throw in the towel, because we’ve discovered the ultimate climate measuring device: the “17-year-old personal feeling-o-meter.”

But it gets better. The kid was apparently speaking on behalf of “Surfers Against Sewage.” Yes, you read that right. The name alone sounds like something straight out of a Monty Python sketch. Their shtick? Conflating ocean pollution, sewage overflow, and global climate trends into one big glob of environmental alarmism.

Here’s the kicker, though. Despite the breathless claims and emotional appeals, ocean temperature measurements themselves are riddled with uncertainty. You see, when it comes to understanding ocean warming, scientists have been collecting data for decades using methods like ship-based thermometers, satellites, ARGO buoys, and reconstructions from coral and sediment cores. And guess what? These methods often disagree.

ARGO floats, for example, give relatively recent snapshots, while historical reconstructions rely on proxies that are, to put it generously, open to interpretation. Measurement coverage is patchy at best—deep ocean data remains elusive, and even surface readings show considerable variability depending on location and season. When you’re trying to average this chaotic mess into a single “global ocean temperature anomaly,” the error bars are about as wide as the English Channel itself.

And those models everyone loves to parade around? They’re based on assumptions piled on assumptions. Sure, we have rough trends, but the confidence levels plummet as soon as you start asking detailed questions like “How much of the variability is natural?” or “What role does deep ocean circulation play?” And yet, despite these known limitations, we’re supposed to take a 17-year-old surfer’s anecdote as the clincher for the case.

Let’s be blunt: The ocean is vast, covering over 70% of the planet’s surface, with depths averaging over two miles. Measuring its temperature with precision is a Herculean challenge that makes building a Swiss watch look like child’s play. Yet here comes The Guardian, peddling the notion that a kid with a wetsuit can feel changes too subtle for many instruments to consistently detect.

And let’s not ignore the larger absurdity here. Will Xi Jinping read about Cornwall’s Surfer Oracle and suddenly decide to shutter his coal plants? Will India halt its drive to electrify rural villages because a 17-year-old thinks her ocean swims are a little toastier? Of course not. This is pure theater, designed to elicit emotion, not address reality.

The real kicker is that even if the oceans are warming, what are the odds we’re getting it precisely right? If the best science comes with massive uncertainties, then turning to anecdotal feelings is like throwing darts blindfolded and hoping to hit a bullseye. It’s unserious on its face.

So, to The Guardian: Next time, try citing evidence that doesn’t dissolve under the first wave of scrutiny—or logic. And to the young surfer: Keep riding those waves and having fun. But when it comes to ocean temperatures, let’s leave the analysis to professionals—preferably ones who acknowledge the massive uncertainty in the data they’re working with. Or, at the very least, someone who doesn’t think their wetsuit doubles as a thermometer.

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Denis
November 19, 2024 10:04 am

“…when you’ve got a preteen paddling around on a foam board?” She is 17, not a preteen.

Randle Dewees
Reply to  Denis
November 19, 2024 10:12 am

If she is a pro – as in Professional – she’s not using a foamie.

But yeah, she can’t say she “felt the oceans warming”. As an ex 17 year old surfer I was in water as cold as 53F and as warm as 73F. Sometimes the temp from one day to the next changed by many degrees due to winds and currents.

Reply to  Randle Dewees
November 19, 2024 10:21 am

Clarification: she is a pro surfer, not a pro scientist.

Randle Dewees
Reply to  ToldYouSo
November 19, 2024 12:42 pm

Actually, she isn’t a pro anything. A web search of her name crops up a few hits about her “environmental activism”, with offhand comments of her interest in surfing. The World Surf League shows in the period 2021-2024 she participated in two competitions with a place of 17th in the later comp and no place in the first comp. I imagine she doesn’t describe herself as a pro, it’s just the Guardian plumping the story.

Reply to  Randle Dewees
November 19, 2024 11:56 am

Actually, the insides of modern surfboards are foam. 😉

and yep, ocean current make a lot of difference.

As an old-style body surfer, much prefer warm water than really cold !!

Randle Dewees
Reply to  bnice2000
November 19, 2024 5:22 pm

Yes, most boards have a foam core, except ones with balsa wood cores ($$$). And all these boards use polyester or epoxy ($$$) resin and fiberglass. All modern materials we enjoy because of FF. Fiberglass over foam composite has been around since mid 50’s. Developed by Grubby Clark and Hobie. The Hobie shop was a few minutes away from where I grew up at Dana Point. A few minutes drive the other way was Clark Foam, which was the worlds provider for foam blanks (till Kalifornia shut them down). I have made a few surfboards.

A foamie is a soft skin board that is popular for beginners and causal long board types. I thought the author was being kind of a butthead, calling her a preteen and implying she’s a kid on surf toy. Whatever else she might be she’s probably a pretty good surfer!

I think fighting against dumping raw sewage into the ocean is a good thing – good for her! Making inane statements about ocean temperatures, and the blatant hypocrisy, boo for her!

Reply to  Randle Dewees
November 19, 2024 7:34 pm

 implying she’s a kid on surf toy.”

As a body surfer, I used to joke with my board surfing friends, that I didn’t need a “floatation aid”. 😉

Reply to  bnice2000
November 20, 2024 3:12 am

My partner has extremely good double flotation aids built in. I don’t believe she could ever drown…

dk_
Reply to  Randle Dewees
November 19, 2024 12:27 pm

Boards made from petroleum
Wet suit and surf equipment made from petroleum
Travel to Baku and to-and-from the Beach provided by petroleum
Athletically styled fashion wear made from petroleum
Electronic photographic and audio recording and broadcast gear made and charged using power and materials from petroleum
Appearance enhancing cosmetics and toiletry products made from petrolem
Baku itself home to human production of petroleum products for more than 5 millenia.
Exploitation of adolescent angst courtesy Marxist propaganda.
Irony: priceless.

Reply to  Charles Rotter
November 19, 2024 11:32 am

Now it’s “when you’ve got a paddling around on a foam board”

Not fixed yet, methinks!

Curious George
November 19, 2024 10:04 am

Does she also see CO2?

J Boles
Reply to  Curious George
November 19, 2024 10:31 am

Maybe she can taste it in the water, the dissolved C02. Even if all the C02 in the atm were eliminated, there is 50x as much in the oceans, it would just refill the atm with more.

another ian
Reply to  J Boles
November 19, 2024 2:36 pm

What is the correction for the taint of sewerage?

Reply to  Curious George
November 19, 2024 10:54 am

LoL!

Stupid
KevinM
Reply to  Leo Smith
November 19, 2024 1:11 pm

I don’t recognize the guy.

Reply to  KevinM
November 20, 2024 3:34 am

Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the UK Labour party our current authoritarian Prime Minister, Sir Keir Starmer, had ousted from the party for antisemitism.

Sir Keir aka Two Tier Keir (2TK) is ‘supporting’ the UK justice system to ensure white Christian men and women who object to mass immigration are incarcerated at His Majesty’s pleasure, for posting offensive Tweets on X.

Meanwhile, the Islamist community seem pretty well immune from criticism for, say, engaging in violent and destructive street riots, assaulting police officers, raping and enslaving children (white) and of course supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation (Hamas) by organising ‘protest’ marches through London where antisemitic sentiments are loudly proclaimed.

Jeremy, by contrast, was just a communist.

1saveenergy
Reply to  Leo Smith
November 19, 2024 3:10 pm

Which one is claiming ???

Reply to  Curious George
November 19, 2024 9:39 pm

Greta has better powers (now).

Although, if Catarina ups her game a little, she may be able to feel the ocean becomming more acidic.

I don’t know which one would then have claim as top mutant.

November 19, 2024 10:11 am

I used to surf. We noticed the oceans getting warmer every summer too.

Then this guy named Jack O’Neill invented the neoprene wetsuit.

Then we noticed the oceans getting warmer in the winter too.

Reply to  doonman
November 19, 2024 10:33 am

“Then this guy named Jack O’Neill invented the neoprene wetsuit.”

Not so. The facts are that the neoprene wetsuit was invented by UC Berkeley physicist Hugh Bradner in 1952 to protect US Navy divers, and it was not available for surfing until 1959 when O’Neill produced the first line of wetsuits for surfers out of his Santa Cruz garage.
(source: https://epictidesocal.com/blogs/surfing/the-history-of-wetsuits )

Reply to  doonman
November 19, 2024 11:33 am

Jack O’Neill?
The only times he ever invented anything was when he had “the knowledge of the Ancients” downloaded into his head.
(OH! You’re talking about a real “Jack O’Neill” and not the one on Stargate SG-1. “Never mind”.)

Reply to  Gunga Din
November 20, 2024 7:59 am

Jack O’Neill?

Two L’s, got it right!

Reply to  doonman
November 19, 2024 1:31 pm

Yet here comes The Guardian, peddling the notion that a kid with a wetsuit can feel changes too subtle for many instruments to consistently detect.”

Tell me again what the purpose of a wet suit is?

Reply to  doonman
November 20, 2024 3:14 am

Yes, peeing in your wetsuit will definitely make it warmer!

Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
November 20, 2024 5:31 am

Peeing in the ocean will have the same effect for surfers down-current from you. Maybe Catarina ought to surf up-current from her buddy Juan.

November 19, 2024 10:14 am

And folks wonder why the mainstream media companies are facing issues such as financial meltdown and an unprecedented (hey, I worked in journalism’s favorite word) loss of public trust.

KevinM
Reply to  honestyrus
November 19, 2024 1:14 pm

unprecedented” or “meltdown”? The overuse of “meltdown” has “spiked” at “never-before-seen” intervals.

Reply to  KevinM
November 19, 2024 6:23 pm

“Scientists say” we could be approaching a “tipping point” leading to an “existential crisis” and a “devastating deluge” of superlatives.

November 19, 2024 10:16 am

Not mentioned but painfully obvious: that 17 year-old kid, Catarina Lorenzo, has no conception whatsoever that her “feelings about oceans temperature increasing” as she surfs costal waters is completely insignificant considering scientifically the total area and volume of Earth’s oceans.

She is totally ignorant as to the issue of proper sampling of a given parameter . . . why am I not surprised?

And the fact that the COP29 organizers invited such an immature presentation speaks volumes about their own ineptitude when it comes to addressing real climate issues.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  ToldYouSo
November 19, 2024 10:56 am

They needed a Greta stand-in.

KevinM
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
November 19, 2024 1:16 pm

Ooh, I wonder how Greta feels about being replaced for better optics? It’s the newscaster’s dilemma (for both political affiliations and both genders).

Reply to  KevinM
November 21, 2024 12:27 pm

Greta is a failed aging meme, time for her to step gracefully aside into oblivion.

J Boles
November 19, 2024 10:17 am

And just HOW did she go from Brazil to Azerbaijan? Did she surf there? NO! She flew on a jet airplane, the flaming HYPOCRITE! I wish someone would tell her that, so self unaware. She uses FF every day, and has no plans of stopping.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  J Boles
November 19, 2024 10:56 am

I do not know the answer. Is Neoprene based on oil?

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
November 19, 2024 12:02 pm

I would guess the resin on the outside of the surfboard is oil or gas based.

The interior is EPS foam.. made from oil or gas.

So unless she is riding a “plank” her whole life is supported by oil and gas.

Mason
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
November 19, 2024 12:26 pm

Once upon a time, I was at our plant in NI for a shutdown. The Echo 1 pulled up to our dock area to block an ICI chlorine barge from docking. They donned their neoprene wetsuits and hopped in to their hypalon Zodiacs and tried to block the barge. Since we were in a shutdown, ICI just took the barge back out in the Lough. Our products at the site? Hypalon and Neoprene!

And the answer to your question is natural gas.

Someone
Reply to  J Boles
November 19, 2024 2:19 pm

She may ignorant, may be a hypocrite or could be just acting, knowing she is acting, which is not really hypocrisy, but rather a calculated cynicism.

dk_
November 19, 2024 10:18 am

Greta got a little out of line, and a little too transparently Marxist.

Another got spoiled re: Sen. John Kennedy questions Skier on climate change: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rC3hcjKbuU

Won’t someone think of the children? [Yes, Virginia, that was \sarcasm]

November 19, 2024 10:21 am

The Oceans ARE getting warmer:

IPCC AR4 Chapter 5
Observations: Oceanic Climate Change and Sea Level

The first sentence in the executive summary says

       The oceans are warming. Over the period 1961 to 2003, global ocean 
       temperature has risen by 0.10°C from the surface to a depth of 700 m. 

IPCC scientist have measured ocean temperature accurately
and precisely to 0.01 Degrees Celsius over a 42 year period

SO THERE ! You don’t need no stinking teen age Surfer Girl.

That should garner a few down votes from people who don’t
know sarcasm when they see it.

Reply to  Charles Rotter
November 19, 2024 11:14 am

‘I believe the uncertainties are greater than anything being measured. One day I’ll write up a complete piece on this.’

Pat Frank wrote up a complete piece on uncertainty wrt GCMs. The only problem is that the modelers and their acolytes don’t understand it.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
November 19, 2024 12:27 pm

Amen!

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
November 19, 2024 12:45 pm

That’s because their livelihoods depend on their not understanding.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Charles Rotter
November 19, 2024 12:44 pm

The ocean is vast”

You’ll also be happy to know that there is more than one ocean. 🙂

Reply to  Charles Rotter
November 20, 2024 7:02 am

Oceanographers don’t know what ocean temperature is today within half a degree,
and don’t know what it was 100 years ago, but they know it’s a tenth of a degree
warmer now than it was then.

Reply to  Steve Case
November 19, 2024 10:45 am

“IPCC scientist have measured ocean temperature accurately

and precisely to 0.01 Degrees Celsius over a 42 year period.”

Uhhhh . . . The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was established by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) in 1988.

Despite the intended sarcasm, that would be be some 36 years ago . . . meaning that there were NO IPCC scientists 42 years ago.

Reply to  ToldYouSo
November 19, 2024 9:54 pm

Potential error at +/- 17%.

42 years falls within margin of error.

(and besides that, the subject ‘ippc scientist’, and the noted time frame, does not exclude that one specific scientist from being involved in, referencing, and further accepting in the initial separate study)

Idle Eric
Reply to  Steve Case
November 19, 2024 10:51 am

I know sarcasm when I see it, I’ve downvoted you anyway.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Steve Case
November 19, 2024 11:01 am

The ocean is 70% of the planetary surface, roughly.
Did they measure the entire ocean? Was their grid 1 m^2?
So, if not, how have they “measured ocean temperature accurately
and precisely to 0.01 Degrees Celsius over a 42 year period”?

Curious minds want to know.

Also, temperature sensors accurate to 0.01 C are not common. Resolution is not accuracy. And 42 years ago, 1982, RTD sensors were uncommon with thermocouples being the choice of the day. It is not logical to assume there were sufficient numbers of precision RTD sensors to measure the entire ocean back in 1982.

Most RTDs today are accurate to 0.1 C.

Someone
Reply to  Steve Case
November 19, 2024 11:41 am

It is a reasonable guess that oceans have been getting somewhat warmer since the start of the current interglacial. One does not need any IPCC for this. But to utter with a straight face that accurate and precise measurements of global ocean temps down to 700 m over 42 years have been made requires a lot of courage, and accepting it is pure faith.

The girl has not specified over how long of an interval of time she felt the difference.
Perhaps it just began feeling warmer since she started having her periods.
Or, have the oceans indeed got warmer because she is so hot?

Reply to  Steve Case
November 19, 2024 12:12 pm

It is quite probable the ocean surface has been warmer since the start of the 2023 El Nino

So what… Warm water is nicer for swimming than freezing cold water.

jvcstone
November 19, 2024 10:51 am

Oh, Come on guys–give the girl a little credit, She managed to scam an expense paid trip half way around the world–something not many can manage at that age.

Reply to  jvcstone
November 19, 2024 11:09 am

First prize is one week in Azerbaijan, second prize is two weeks in Azerbaijan…

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
November 19, 2024 12:09 pm

Baku is on the Caspian Sea, doubt there would be many waves most of the time.

Someone
Reply to  bnice2000
November 19, 2024 2:14 pm

Only lake type waves, like in Great Lakes, no ocean waves.

Reply to  Someone
November 19, 2024 5:50 pm

One of the toughest waves to ride is actual on a river..

The Silver Dragon – The Worlds Most Dangerous Wave

The Silver Dragon

Its tough because it just keeps going, and going, and going

Reply to  bnice2000
November 22, 2024 8:36 am

. . . and it’s dangerous because the river often contains just-barely-floating logs that are difficult to see before impact.

KevinM
Reply to  jvcstone
November 19, 2024 1:22 pm

Whose job buys surf boards and plane tickets?

Sparta Nova 4
November 19, 2024 10:53 am

The first six feet or so of water in a large body heats and cools rapidly compared to lower depths. So yes, I’ve experienced the warming and cooling up in the NY finger lakes, and it is real. So, having a bit more sunshine for a while, the surface will be a tad warmer and one can feel that. It is highly, repeat highly, subjective.

At 17, one has to wonder what her memories are from 20 0r 30 years ago with respect to weather?

Sewage and garbage. Keep fighting that one kiddo. That is a good cause.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
November 19, 2024 11:20 am

Sewage is worth fighting. Unfortunately, she’s spewing garbage.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
November 19, 2024 12:10 pm

Sydney surfers understand what a “Bondi Cigar” used to be. !

Someone
Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
November 19, 2024 2:13 pm

Even the first foot feels very different from the next down when mixing is not strong. One can easily feel it when swimming in calm water.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
November 19, 2024 10:00 pm

The guy sharing and sitting on the board, behind her, peed in his suit.

November 19, 2024 11:25 am

The “readings” to 0.01 are a joke. Has anyone tried to measure the temperature of a large water bath and get readings that close from a number of sensors scattered throughout? How about over a day or month?

I want to see the variance of the data set used to calculate this.

Mr.
November 19, 2024 11:28 am

Nothing it seems is too absurd to include in the portfolio of imagined climate catastrophe assembled by the climate cranks collective.

Seriously, wouldn’t any rational adult be embarrassed to be sucked in by this bullshit?
Let alone repeat it in public.

It’s akin to those stories we all told each other as kids about the headless person seen driving a hearse from the local cemetery one night last week.

November 19, 2024 11:48 am

When I lived in Georgia and Florida, I would notice the ocean getting much warmer, especially in summer. I think that’s called “seasons”. This report is just another example of young people being bombarded with climate change hype in schools and media. A Brazilian Greta Thunberg.

Rud Istvan
November 19, 2024 12:11 pm

Having been to coastal Brazil many times over the years, I can tell you ‘Surfers against Sewage’ is a worthy cause. Ocean warming, not so much.
Looks like Greta has outlived her usefulness despite her supernatural ability to see CO2.

KevinM
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 19, 2024 1:28 pm

Imagine trying to surf in the North Sea? I’m certain people do it, but it can’t be fun.

Bob
November 19, 2024 12:50 pm

We are winning. The CAGW clowns have no proper science to support their claims, they have now entered to land of fairy tales. They look and sound rediculous.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Bob
November 19, 2024 1:37 pm

Used to be, folks had a hard time telling if they were ridiculous. But now it is easy.

  1. Teen surfers in neoprene wet suits can tell the ocean has been warming for decades.
  2. Greta Thunberg can see CO2.
  3. UN SecGen says oceans are boiling despite live Maine lobsters.
  4. Miliband says renewable intermittency is NOT a 2024 UK problem— NESC just issued an October CMN to the contrary.
  5. Today UK celebrated ‘Viner-day’; first sleet and snow storm of this winter.
Reply to  Rud Istvan
November 19, 2024 10:10 pm

1. Guy sitting on the board with her peed in his suit.

2. Greta is nuts.

3. Un sec gen doesn’t understand that the need to exaggerate simply reveals that, deep down, one knows their position is inadequate.

4. Milkiband is a piece of shit. (Ignorant<>dishonest<>willfully such).

5. Happy Viner Day.

KevinM
November 19, 2024 1:06 pm

I did not read the article yet but what I _immediately_ think when I see a 17 y/o speaking at a congregation of politicians is “I wonder whose daughter/grand daughter/son/grand son that is?”

I’ve had kids. When they say say something that seems to me super smart it usually indicates they heard it from me and repeated it.

“Oh, no, not my kid! They’re rebellious and super brilliant! It’s only a coincidence they’re saying things I believe to be true!”

Reply to  KevinM
November 19, 2024 1:58 pm

Beat me to it!
That’s all this is. Some parent with the connections to get her on stage to speak in an effort to create Greta 2.0

The cliimate scam might not fall apart in my lifetime, but it most certainly will in hers. I wonder if she will need therapy upon realising she was being used.

Someone
Reply to  davidmhoffer
November 19, 2024 2:09 pm

Most likely no, she will just remember having a good time. Surfing, travelling the world, appearing in news.

November 19, 2024 1:45 pm

As a surfer, I’m constantly on the ocean, and I actually felt the oceans warming,” says Catarina Lorenzo, 17, a professional surfer from Salvador, in Bahia state in Brazil.

Stop peeing in your wetsuit then.

JBP
November 19, 2024 2:36 pm

oh my goodness.

November 19, 2024 2:49 pm

I have spent some time in the ocean. surfing, scuba, and free diving. I think she peed and misunderstood the observation. Sorry, couldn’t help myself or hold it.

Alan
November 19, 2024 3:08 pm

“I actually felt the oceans warm.”. That’s when I quit reading.

November 19, 2024 3:16 pm

Well, Greta could see ∆CO₂. Why can’t Catarina equally feel ∆T?

1saveenergy
November 19, 2024 3:22 pm

She’s a 17yr old girl with the hots, probably hormones kicking in, or she peed in her wetsuit.

SwedeTex
November 19, 2024 4:43 pm

Probably hot flashes.

rhs
November 19, 2024 8:37 pm

I agree, the ocean always feels warmer after I pee.

Reply to  rhs
November 19, 2024 10:15 pm

That cuz it is.

It’s also warmer when the guy next to you pees in your general vicinity.

Catarina needs to get different surfer buddies.

Reply to  rhs
November 20, 2024 4:17 am

Climate change also makes the water turn yellow as well.

Rahx360
November 20, 2024 1:33 am

Kids have special power these day. They see CO2, they feel the ocean temperature rise. Impressive.