Oh, look, The Guardian is at it again, serving up a piping hot plate of climate hysteria with a side of precocious child activism. This time, they’ve hauled out a 17-year-old surfer from Brazil to lecture us all at COP29 about how the ocean is allegedly “getting warmer.” Because, obviously, who needs thermometers, satellite data, or rigorous reconstructions of ocean temperatures when you’ve got a paddling around on a foam board?
As a surfer, I’m constantly on the ocean, and I actually felt the oceans warming,” says Catarina Lorenzo, 17, a professional surfer from Salvador, in Bahia state in Brazil.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/live/2024/nov/19/cop29-climate-summit-live-updates-world-leaders-in-baku-azerbaijan?CMP=share_btn_url&page=with%3Ablock-673c55e78f0866cddf1b7a15#block-673c55e78f0866cddf1b7a15
Here’s the deal: The Guardian breathlessly reports that this kid has “noticed the ocean getting warmer.” Wow, stop the presses! Cornwall’s pint-sized Jacques Cousteau has declared it so! I’m sure every scientist laboring over ARGO floats and analyzing centuries of proxy data is ready to throw in the towel, because we’ve discovered the ultimate climate measuring device: the “17-year-old personal feeling-o-meter.”
But it gets better. The kid was apparently speaking on behalf of “Surfers Against Sewage.” Yes, you read that right. The name alone sounds like something straight out of a Monty Python sketch. Their shtick? Conflating ocean pollution, sewage overflow, and global climate trends into one big glob of environmental alarmism.
Here’s the kicker, though. Despite the breathless claims and emotional appeals, ocean temperature measurements themselves are riddled with uncertainty. You see, when it comes to understanding ocean warming, scientists have been collecting data for decades using methods like ship-based thermometers, satellites, ARGO buoys, and reconstructions from coral and sediment cores. And guess what? These methods often disagree.
ARGO floats, for example, give relatively recent snapshots, while historical reconstructions rely on proxies that are, to put it generously, open to interpretation. Measurement coverage is patchy at best—deep ocean data remains elusive, and even surface readings show considerable variability depending on location and season. When you’re trying to average this chaotic mess into a single “global ocean temperature anomaly,” the error bars are about as wide as the English Channel itself.
And those models everyone loves to parade around? They’re based on assumptions piled on assumptions. Sure, we have rough trends, but the confidence levels plummet as soon as you start asking detailed questions like “How much of the variability is natural?” or “What role does deep ocean circulation play?” And yet, despite these known limitations, we’re supposed to take a 17-year-old surfer’s anecdote as the clincher for the case.
Let’s be blunt: The ocean is vast, covering over 70% of the planet’s surface, with depths averaging over two miles. Measuring its temperature with precision is a Herculean challenge that makes building a Swiss watch look like child’s play. Yet here comes The Guardian, peddling the notion that a kid with a wetsuit can feel changes too subtle for many instruments to consistently detect.
And let’s not ignore the larger absurdity here. Will Xi Jinping read about Cornwall’s Surfer Oracle and suddenly decide to shutter his coal plants? Will India halt its drive to electrify rural villages because a 17-year-old thinks her ocean swims are a little toastier? Of course not. This is pure theater, designed to elicit emotion, not address reality.
The real kicker is that even if the oceans are warming, what are the odds we’re getting it precisely right? If the best science comes with massive uncertainties, then turning to anecdotal feelings is like throwing darts blindfolded and hoping to hit a bullseye. It’s unserious on its face.
So, to The Guardian: Next time, try citing evidence that doesn’t dissolve under the first wave of scrutiny—or logic. And to the young surfer: Keep riding those waves and having fun. But when it comes to ocean temperatures, let’s leave the analysis to professionals—preferably ones who acknowledge the massive uncertainty in the data they’re working with. Or, at the very least, someone who doesn’t think their wetsuit doubles as a thermometer.
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“…when you’ve got a preteen paddling around on a foam board?” She is 17, not a preteen.
If she is a pro – as in Professional – she’s not using a foamie.
But yeah, she can’t say she “felt the oceans warming”. As an ex 17 year old surfer I was in water as cold as 53F and as warm as 73F. Sometimes the temp from one day to the next changed by many degrees due to winds and currents.
Clarification: she is a pro surfer, not a pro scientist.
Actually, she isn’t a pro anything. A web search of her name crops up a few hits about her “environmental activism”, with offhand comments of her interest in surfing. The World Surf League shows in the period 2021-2024 she participated in two competitions with a place of 17th in the later comp and no place in the first comp. I imagine she doesn’t describe herself as a pro, it’s just the Guardian plumping the story.
Actually, the insides of modern surfboards are foam. 😉
and yep, ocean current make a lot of difference.
As an old-style body surfer, much prefer warm water than really cold !!
Yes, most boards have a foam core, except ones with balsa wood cores ($$$). And all these boards use polyester or epoxy ($$$) resin and fiberglass. All modern materials we enjoy because of FF. Fiberglass over foam composite has been around since mid 50’s. Developed by Grubby Clark and Hobie. The Hobie shop was a few minutes away from where I grew up at Dana Point. A few minutes drive the other way was Clark Foam, which was the worlds provider for foam blanks (till Kalifornia shut them down). I have made a few surfboards.
A foamie is a soft skin board that is popular for beginners and causal long board types. I thought the author was being kind of a butthead, calling her a preteen and implying she’s a kid on surf toy. Whatever else she might be she’s probably a pretty good surfer!
I think fighting against dumping raw sewage into the ocean is a good thing – good for her! Making inane statements about ocean temperatures, and the blatant hypocrisy, boo for her!
“ implying she’s a kid on surf toy.”
As a body surfer, I used to joke with my board surfing friends, that I didn’t need a “floatation aid”. 😉
My partner has extremely good double flotation aids built in. I don’t believe she could ever drown…
Boards made from petroleum
Wet suit and surf equipment made from petroleum
Travel to Baku and to-and-from the Beach provided by petroleum
Athletically styled fashion wear made from petroleum
Electronic photographic and audio recording and broadcast gear made and charged using power and materials from petroleum
Appearance enhancing cosmetics and toiletry products made from petrolem
Baku itself home to human production of petroleum products for more than 5 millenia.
Exploitation of adolescent angst courtesy Marxist propaganda.
Irony: priceless.
fixed
Now it’s “when you’ve got a paddling around on a foam board”
Not fixed yet, methinks!
Does she also see CO2?
Maybe she can taste it in the water, the dissolved C02. Even if all the C02 in the atm were eliminated, there is 50x as much in the oceans, it would just refill the atm with more.
What is the correction for the taint of sewerage?
LoL!
I don’t recognize the guy.
Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of the UK Labour party our current authoritarian Prime Minister, Sir Keir Starmer, had ousted from the party for antisemitism.
Sir Keir aka Two Tier Keir (2TK) is ‘supporting’ the UK justice system to ensure white Christian men and women who object to mass immigration are incarcerated at His Majesty’s pleasure, for posting offensive Tweets on X.
Meanwhile, the Islamist community seem pretty well immune from criticism for, say, engaging in violent and destructive street riots, assaulting police officers, raping and enslaving children (white) and of course supporting a proscribed terrorist organisation (Hamas) by organising ‘protest’ marches through London where antisemitic sentiments are loudly proclaimed.
Jeremy, by contrast, was just a communist.
Which one is claiming ???
Greta has better powers (now).
Although, if Catarina ups her game a little, she may be able to feel the ocean becomming more acidic.
I don’t know which one would then have claim as top mutant.
I used to surf. We noticed the oceans getting warmer every summer too.
Then this guy named Jack O’Neill invented the neoprene wetsuit.
Then we noticed the oceans getting warmer in the winter too.
Not so. The facts are that the neoprene wetsuit was invented by UC Berkeley physicist Hugh Bradner in 1952 to protect US Navy divers, and it was not available for surfing until 1959 when O’Neill produced the first line of wetsuits for surfers out of his Santa Cruz garage.
(source: https://epictidesocal.com/blogs/surfing/the-history-of-wetsuits )
Jack O’Neill?
The only times he ever invented anything was when he had “the knowledge of the Ancients” downloaded into his head.
(OH! You’re talking about a real “Jack O’Neill” and not the one on Stargate SG-1. “Never mind”.)
Jack O’Neill?
Two L’s, got it right!
“Yet here comes The Guardian, peddling the notion that a kid with a wetsuit can feel changes too subtle for many instruments to consistently detect.”
Tell me again what the purpose of a wet suit is?
Yes, peeing in your wetsuit will definitely make it warmer!
Peeing in the ocean will have the same effect for surfers down-current from you. Maybe Catarina ought to surf up-current from her buddy Juan.
And folks wonder why the mainstream media companies are facing issues such as financial meltdown and an unprecedented (hey, I worked in journalism’s favorite word) loss of public trust.
“unprecedented” or “meltdown”? The overuse of “meltdown” has “spiked” at “never-before-seen” intervals.
“Scientists say” we could be approaching a “tipping point” leading to an “existential crisis” and a “devastating deluge” of superlatives.
Not mentioned but painfully obvious: that 17 year-old kid, Catarina Lorenzo, has no conception whatsoever that her “feelings about oceans temperature increasing” as she surfs costal waters is completely insignificant considering scientifically the total area and volume of Earth’s oceans.
She is totally ignorant as to the issue of proper sampling of a given parameter . . . why am I not surprised?
And the fact that the COP29 organizers invited such an immature presentation speaks volumes about their own ineptitude when it comes to addressing real climate issues.
They needed a Greta stand-in.
Ooh, I wonder how Greta feels about being replaced for better optics? It’s the newscaster’s dilemma (for both political affiliations and both genders).
Greta is a failed aging meme, time for her to step gracefully aside into oblivion.
And just HOW did she go from Brazil to Azerbaijan? Did she surf there? NO! She flew on a jet airplane, the flaming HYPOCRITE! I wish someone would tell her that, so self unaware. She uses FF every day, and has no plans of stopping.
I do not know the answer. Is Neoprene based on oil?
I would guess the resin on the outside of the surfboard is oil or gas based.
The interior is EPS foam.. made from oil or gas.
So unless she is riding a “plank” her whole life is supported by oil and gas.
Once upon a time, I was at our plant in NI for a shutdown. The Echo 1 pulled up to our dock area to block an ICI chlorine barge from docking. They donned their neoprene wetsuits and hopped in to their hypalon Zodiacs and tried to block the barge. Since we were in a shutdown, ICI just took the barge back out in the Lough. Our products at the site? Hypalon and Neoprene!
And the answer to your question is natural gas.
She may ignorant, may be a hypocrite or could be just acting, knowing she is acting, which is not really hypocrisy, but rather a calculated cynicism.
Greta got a little out of line, and a little too transparently Marxist.
Another got spoiled re: Sen. John Kennedy questions Skier on climate change: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rC3hcjKbuU
Won’t someone think of the children? [Yes, Virginia, that was \sarcasm]
The Oceans ARE getting warmer:
IPCC AR4 Chapter 5
Observations: Oceanic Climate Change and Sea Level
The first sentence in the executive summary says
The oceans are warming. Over the period 1961 to 2003, global ocean
temperature has risen by 0.10°C from the surface to a depth of 700 m.
IPCC scientist have measured ocean temperature accurately
and precisely to 0.01 Degrees Celsius over a 42 year period
SO THERE ! You don’t need no stinking teen age Surfer Girl.
That should garner a few down votes from people who don’t
know sarcasm when they see it.
Most people believe this. I do not. I believe the uncertainties are greater than anything being measured. One day I’ll write up a complete piece on this.
‘I believe the uncertainties are greater than anything being measured. One day I’ll write up a complete piece on this.’
Pat Frank wrote up a complete piece on uncertainty wrt GCMs. The only problem is that the modelers and their acolytes don’t understand it.
Amen!
That’s because their livelihoods depend on their not understanding.
“The ocean is vast”
You’ll also be happy to know that there is more than one ocean. 🙂
Oceanographers don’t know what ocean temperature is today within half a degree,
and don’t know what it was 100 years ago, but they know it’s a tenth of a degree
warmer now than it was then.
Uhhhh . . . The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was established by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) in 1988.
Despite the intended sarcasm, that would be be some 36 years ago . . . meaning that there were NO IPCC scientists 42 years ago.
Potential error at +/- 17%.
42 years falls within margin of error.
(and besides that, the subject ‘ippc scientist’, and the noted time frame, does not exclude that one specific scientist from being involved in, referencing, and further accepting in the initial separate study)
I know sarcasm when I see it, I’ve downvoted you anyway.
The ocean is 70% of the planetary surface, roughly.
Did they measure the entire ocean? Was their grid 1 m^2?
So, if not, how have they “measured ocean temperature accurately
and precisely to 0.01 Degrees Celsius over a 42 year period”?
Curious minds want to know.
Also, temperature sensors accurate to 0.01 C are not common. Resolution is not accuracy. And 42 years ago, 1982, RTD sensors were uncommon with thermocouples being the choice of the day. It is not logical to assume there were sufficient numbers of precision RTD sensors to measure the entire ocean back in 1982.
Most RTDs today are accurate to 0.1 C.
It is a reasonable guess that oceans have been getting somewhat warmer since the start of the current interglacial. One does not need any IPCC for this. But to utter with a straight face that accurate and precise measurements of global ocean temps down to 700 m over 42 years have been made requires a lot of courage, and accepting it is pure faith.
The girl has not specified over how long of an interval of time she felt the difference.
Perhaps it just began feeling warmer since she started having her periods.
Or, have the oceans indeed got warmer because she is so hot?
It is quite probable the ocean surface has been warmer since the start of the 2023 El Nino
So what… Warm water is nicer for swimming than freezing cold water.
Oh, Come on guys–give the girl a little credit, She managed to scam an expense paid trip half way around the world–something not many can manage at that age.
First prize is one week in Azerbaijan, second prize is two weeks in Azerbaijan…
Baku is on the Caspian Sea, doubt there would be many waves most of the time.
Only lake type waves, like in Great Lakes, no ocean waves.
One of the toughest waves to ride is actual on a river..
The Silver Dragon – The Worlds Most Dangerous Wave
The Silver Dragon
Its tough because it just keeps going, and going, and going
. . . and it’s dangerous because the river often contains just-barely-floating logs that are difficult to see before impact.
Whose job buys surf boards and plane tickets?
The first six feet or so of water in a large body heats and cools rapidly compared to lower depths. So yes, I’ve experienced the warming and cooling up in the NY finger lakes, and it is real. So, having a bit more sunshine for a while, the surface will be a tad warmer and one can feel that. It is highly, repeat highly, subjective.
At 17, one has to wonder what her memories are from 20 0r 30 years ago with respect to weather?
Sewage and garbage. Keep fighting that one kiddo. That is a good cause.
Sewage is worth fighting. Unfortunately, she’s spewing garbage.
Sydney surfers understand what a “Bondi Cigar” used to be. !
Even the first foot feels very different from the next down when mixing is not strong. One can easily feel it when swimming in calm water.
The guy sharing and sitting on the board, behind her, peed in his suit.
The “readings” to 0.01 are a joke. Has anyone tried to measure the temperature of a large water bath and get readings that close from a number of sensors scattered throughout? How about over a day or month?
I want to see the variance of the data set used to calculate this.
Nothing it seems is too absurd to include in the portfolio of imagined climate catastrophe assembled by the climate cranks collective.
Seriously, wouldn’t any rational adult be embarrassed to be sucked in by this bullshit?
Let alone repeat it in public.
It’s akin to those stories we all told each other as kids about the headless person seen driving a hearse from the local cemetery one night last week.
When I lived in Georgia and Florida, I would notice the ocean getting much warmer, especially in summer. I think that’s called “seasons”. This report is just another example of young people being bombarded with climate change hype in schools and media. A Brazilian Greta Thunberg.
Having been to coastal Brazil many times over the years, I can tell you ‘Surfers against Sewage’ is a worthy cause. Ocean warming, not so much.
Looks like Greta has outlived her usefulness despite her supernatural ability to see CO2.
Imagine trying to surf in the North Sea? I’m certain people do it, but it can’t be fun.
We are winning. The CAGW clowns have no proper science to support their claims, they have now entered to land of fairy tales. They look and sound rediculous.
Used to be, folks had a hard time telling if they were ridiculous. But now it is easy.
1. Guy sitting on the board with her peed in his suit.
2. Greta is nuts.
3. Un sec gen doesn’t understand that the need to exaggerate simply reveals that, deep down, one knows their position is inadequate.
4. Milkiband is a piece of shit. (Ignorant<>dishonest<>willfully such).
5. Happy Viner Day.
I did not read the article yet but what I _immediately_ think when I see a 17 y/o speaking at a congregation of politicians is “I wonder whose daughter/grand daughter/son/grand son that is?”
I’ve had kids. When they say say something that seems to me super smart it usually indicates they heard it from me and repeated it.
“Oh, no, not my kid! They’re rebellious and super brilliant! It’s only a coincidence they’re saying things I believe to be true!”
Beat me to it!
That’s all this is. Some parent with the connections to get her on stage to speak in an effort to create Greta 2.0
The cliimate scam might not fall apart in my lifetime, but it most certainly will in hers. I wonder if she will need therapy upon realising she was being used.
Most likely no, she will just remember having a good time. Surfing, travelling the world, appearing in news.
Stop peeing in your wetsuit then.
oh my goodness.
I have spent some time in the ocean. surfing, scuba, and free diving. I think she peed and misunderstood the observation. Sorry, couldn’t help myself or hold it.
“I actually felt the oceans warm.”. That’s when I quit reading.
Well, Greta could see ∆CO₂. Why can’t Catarina equally feel ∆T?
She’s a 17yr old girl with the hots, probably hormones kicking in, or she peed in her wetsuit.
Probably hot flashes.
I agree, the ocean always feels warmer after I pee.
That cuz it is.
It’s also warmer when the guy next to you pees in your general vicinity.
Catarina needs to get different surfer buddies.
Climate change also makes the water turn yellow as well.
Kids have special power these day. They see CO2, they feel the ocean temperature rise. Impressive.