Flash Floods in Spain

From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

By Paul Homewood

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckmgmdxg254t

Yes, the flash floods in Spain have been devastating. And, yes they have happened before.

But the BBC weatherman also claims that extreme rainfall events like these are becoming more common:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckmgmdxg254t

As usual the BBC do not provide any evidence for such irresponsible claims.

And the rainfall data for Valencia, which was worst hit, provides no such evidence either:

https://climexp.knmi.nl/ecaprcp.cgi?id=someone@somewhere&WMO=237&STATION=VALENCIA&extraargs=

KNMI daily rainfall data shows categorically that extreme rainfall is neither more common or extreme.

According to the Spanish weather agency, rainfall peaked at about 200mm in the area, certainly not unprecedented:

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/spain-valencia-flash-floods-chiva-video-rain-bodies-found-weather-b1190929.html

The BBC say more fell up in the hills at Chiva, but that does not have a long term record, and inevitably rainfall will be much higher as the moist  air rises rapidly over the hills. In other words, chalk and cheese.

Not for the first time, the BBC are using human tragedy to push their increasingly hysterical climate agenda.

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Paul Burgess
October 30, 2024 6:19 pm

The history of these floods in Valencia goes back to the 1300’s and every century since.

Reply to  Paul Burgess
October 30, 2024 6:21 pm

BBC headline..

“Spain battles deadliest flood disaster IN DECADES as death toll rises to 95.”

So… deadlier ones a few decades ago.

Another quote found….

“A large number of floods have been recorded in Valencia, from 1321 up to recent history, with the 1957 Valencia flood caused by a 3-day cold drop, resulting in significant overflowing of the Túria river and resulting in at least 81 fatalities”

Robertvd
Reply to  bnice2000
October 31, 2024 2:52 am

Yep, They had large floods when CO2 still was at Utopia levels. You just need a cold depression and a warm Mediterranean. This is the optimal moment of the year these 2 can meet.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  bnice2000
October 31, 2024 8:24 am

But, it only takes 20 years for it to be decades.
The point being the sensationalism is not representative of realities, which is your point.

dk_
October 30, 2024 6:36 pm

Isn’t the BeeB supported by user fees (that are definitely not ever called a tax)? Seems like an expensive habit, with the NHS and all. Maybe UK should let them survive on their credibility?

Reply to  dk_
October 30, 2024 6:56 pm

Yes, it is.

Unlike almost all developed countries, the UK actually allows residents not to pay for their state broadcasting, at least TV. It is probably dubious that this is the only funding, however.

In the UK, I have never paid for the BBC. In France I paid through taxes. In Australia I paid through taxes, although in retirement I no longer pay income tax. In Italy, I pay a fee with my electricity bill. I can get this deducted because I don’t have a TV, but dealing with Italian bureaucracy isn’t worth it.

In most developed countries it’s not optional.

dk_
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
October 30, 2024 8:32 pm

Saw that in Belgium and Germany. Thought it had been reformed long ago. But if you’re going to have a state media, then you’ve got to expect it to produce state propaganda.
NPR and PBS in the U.S. are paid for by subsidy and by private and corporate donors. Some of those donors have turned out to be foreign governments, and the propaganda sometimes must thread a fine line in between. Luckily they are easy to ignore (despite taking in funding from taxes), and have even less credibility than a shopping aisle gossip rag.

Reply to  dk_
October 30, 2024 10:54 pm

Maybe the UK should let them survive on their credulity.

Reply to  dk_
October 31, 2024 4:14 am

So a quick death then?

nwblacksmith
October 30, 2024 7:04 pm

I wonder if removing all the dams has anything to do with it.
Europe removed 487 in 2023 alone.
https://damremoval.eu/about/

Robertvd
Reply to  nwblacksmith
October 31, 2024 2:47 am

It is more about build where you not should build. Create extra dams where water can build up behind like too small bridges + dirty riverbeds , highways, railroads, urbanizations etc until it finds a weak spot and all hell breaks lose.

Robertvd
Reply to  Robertvd
October 31, 2024 2:54 am

So yes, it is a men made problem.

Reply to  nwblacksmith
October 31, 2024 4:16 am

They also don’t use them as intended when they could mitigate such rain events.

Scissor
October 30, 2024 8:26 pm
Robertvd
Reply to  Scissor
October 31, 2024 2:57 am

Those workers don’t seem to realise the danger they are in.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Scissor
October 31, 2024 8:28 am

The good news is someone is addressing Lithium battery recycling.
The bad news is, the fire risk is not abated.

dk_
October 30, 2024 8:35 pm

Doesn’t it seem like, being no longer part of the EU, the rain in Spain would be outside BBC’s domain?

Reply to  dk_
October 30, 2024 10:55 pm

I see what you did there 😉

Roger Collier
Reply to  Redge
November 1, 2024 3:08 am

In Hertford, Hereford, and Hampshire, hurricanes hardly ever happen.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  dk_
October 31, 2024 8:29 am

The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plains, not on non-Spanish islands.
Or has the mass immigration converted England to Spanish?

October 30, 2024 9:32 pm
1saveenergy
Reply to  karlomonte
October 31, 2024 2:15 am

But aren’t those ‘Green & Clean’ toxic fumes saving the environment & the planet from extinction … Certainly it’s ‘sustainable’ for hrs/days, until the fuel is consumed.

Reply to  1saveenergy
October 31, 2024 6:31 am

I would not want to be standing around taking videos and watching it go up…

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  karlomonte
October 31, 2024 8:30 am

So Missouri is now a state of Misery.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  karlomonte
October 31, 2024 8:30 am

It is a battery recycling facility, unless I missed something when scanning.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
October 31, 2024 9:56 am

Yeah, the Rumble cellphone video(s) didn’t say this.

October 31, 2024 2:09 am

The BBC has its knickers in a twist with this story.
with the headline
Deadliest weather made worse by climate change – scientists”And I quote:
”Human-caused climate change made the ten deadliest extreme weather events of the last 20 years more intense and more likely, according to new analysis.

The killer storms, heatwaves and floods affected Europe, Africa and Asia killing more than 570,000 people.
The new analysis highlights how scientists can now discern the fingerprint of climate change in complex weather events.“

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxvnk10xz2o

based on https://www.worldweatherattribution.org/10-years-of-rapidly-disentangling-drivers-of-extreme-weather-disasters/
Quote
Here, we look back at the ten deadliest events since the devastating heatwave of 2003, when the scientific field of attribution first began. By doing so, we aim to highlight what we have learned in our ten years of operation, both about the role of climate change in fueling extreme weather and the vulnerability and exposure factors that turn these hazards into disasters.”



Reply to  JohnC
October 31, 2024 4:21 am

“Scientific field of attribution?!”

Look that up in the dictionary and the meaning is “blatant propaganda.”

KevinM
Reply to  JohnC
October 31, 2024 9:28 am

“… 2003, when the scientific field of attribution first began.
Scientists weren’t attributing anything before 2003? Stuff must have just happened with no way of understanding it all.

Eamon Butler
Reply to  KevinM
October 31, 2024 6:06 pm

Apparently, the WWA only began in 2014.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  JohnC
October 31, 2024 9:32 am

Fredi Otto going overboard again!

Eamon Butler
Reply to  JohnC
October 31, 2024 6:04 pm

Of course, there’s no chance of attribution bias, with this organisation funded by The Grantham institute, The European Climate foundation and the Bezos Earth foundation.

October 31, 2024 3:55 am

This is not the highest record of daily rainfall in the area. From CLICES web site (Clices.unizar.es) and only in Valencia province

Year Month Day mm Site  Province Code
1982 Octubre 20 632 BICORP BARRANCO SALADO VALENCIA code_8270O
1982 Octubre 20 425.5 JALANCE AGROMET VALENCIA code_8204A
983 Noviembre 6 410 ALGINET VALENCIA code_8328E
1987 Noviembre 3 817 OLIVA S E AGRARIA VALENCIA code_8058A
1987 Noviembre 3 720 GANDIA (C. ROIG DE CORELLA) VALENCIA code_8071C
1987 Noviembre 4 790 LA POBLA DEL DUC VALENCIA code_8288E
1991 Octubre 4 420 ALGINET VALENCIA code_8328E
1996 Septiembre 11 520 TAVERNES DE LA VALLDIGNA VALENCIA code_8077
1996 Septiembre 11 500 BENIFAIRO DE LA VALLDIGNA VALENCIA code_8076
2002 Mayo 7 400 VILLALONGA COOPERATIVA VALENCIA code_8068I

Neither the most fatalities

14-otober-1957 in Valencia city, 81 casualties
25-september-1962, El Valles area, near Barcelona City, more than 800 casualties
19-october-1973, Guadalentín river, South Spain near Almería, more than 200 casualties
etc etc etc.

Unfortunately exposition increase

Robertvd
Reply to  Jose Carlos Gonzalez_Hidalgo
October 31, 2024 9:51 am

What I said before . You just need a cold depression and a warm Mediterranean. This is the time of the year .

Reply to  Jose Carlos Gonzalez_Hidalgo
October 31, 2024 12:14 pm

Great to have someone who knows where to find Spanish data. 🙂

rtj1211
October 31, 2024 9:16 am

The reports I’ve seen says that one village had 400mm of rain in 8hrs, equivalent to a year’s rainfall in under half a day.

It may just be extreme weather, but it is noticeable that Spanish people publicly declared their refusal to support Israel in its Gaza war crimes.

I would at least look at whether weather engineering were responsible for this, particularly given the obvious c**k up in that arena around Dubai.

KevinM
October 31, 2024 9:19 am

increasingly hysterical”

October 31, 2024 10:19 am

A flooding event proves “Climate Change” (caused by cAGW) but “The Gore Effect” does not disprove it?

Ireneusz
October 31, 2024 11:55 am

The downpours were so powerful that the water could not keep up with the flow into the rivers. And so the built-up streets became swift streams.

Ireneusz
October 31, 2024 12:00 pm

This is the second time that an upper low with a cold spot has been blocked over Europe causing flooding. At the edge of such a low, convection is very strong, and the low remains in the same place until exhaustion. The cold air was in contact with water vapor from over the Mediterranean Sea for a long time.

Ireneusz
November 1, 2024 12:39 am

The center of the upper low has moved from over Spain to the Atlantic. Threat of heavy rainfall in western Spain.

Ireneusz
Reply to  Ireneusz
November 1, 2024 12:49 am

Thunderstorm north of Valencia.
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nwblacksmith
November 3, 2024 9:44 am

Duplicated comment – nevermind 🙂