Catturd: 2.3 million views
Mann: 98.5 thousand views
Incidentally Mann also believes Elon Musk is a Russian asset.
What a tortured soul.
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Friday Funny: Michael E. Mann vs. Catturd
Mann and reality do not get along.
He’s a legend in his own mind.
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Mickey Mann doesn’t have an original thought in his malformed head.
That’s not fair. Who else could imagine they could invert temperature proxy data, or telecommunicate a proxy record to a completely different geographic location, or hide the decline, or get away with it?
Malformed head? More like no head at all.
Ha, ha, ha….I so agree.
Only a proctologist knows for sure.
Empty heads rattle the loudest.
Like most rightwing parties in europe and the gop, it’s not unrealistic that musk whores himself out for russian money.
Russia, Russia, Russia.
Chyna, Chyna, Chyna.
Iran, Iran, Iran.
Try to not blame everyone else for the west comprehensively screwing everything up.
It’s healthy to face up to reality.
I’ll add to that – immigrants, immigrants, immigrants.
A pain in the arse but we invited them to wash up on the shores of America and Europe. It’s not like they turn up with landing craft and machine guns, they just walk across borders attracted by taxpayer handouts from our governments.
MA has a HUUUGE “migrant” problem because it has HUUUUUUGE handouts.
Immigrants are a problem created by populists. Most countries will need a lot of immigration in the future, except you want to change our economic system to that star trek communist utopia.
And americans whining about immigration is quite funny.
Most countries will need a lot of immigration in the future?
What about the countries the immigrants are coming from, will they need immigrants too?
There is no case can be made for mass immigration. It’s detrimental to the host and source nations.
Remind us all, how many Native American languages and dialects were there before English became the common standard? They couldn’t agree on a common language between them, English filled a market need.
Next!
So you support that rich countries stop exploiting poorer nations for their natural ressoures? And action against climate change, as this will lead to more migration?
Also superpowers meddling in elections of foreign countries to destabilize them?
https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/feature/2023/12/02/for-the-poorest-countries-climate-action-is-development-in-action
World bank wants to STOP development in poor countries.
Stagnate them with erratic power supplies.
NO-ONE can ever reach your level of stupidity.
Are you still speaking some Germanic ancient English dialect that your fellow ghetto basement dwellers can’t understand. ??
What art thee talking about?
At least you are now admitting to your slovenly ignorance.
Not quite.
Just as the British isles and former possessions had different languages, even populations quite near.
Native Americans have been separated tribally for ten to twenty thousand years. Identical languages grow far apart in much shorter time periods.
Like Old English and modern English…
Not as much if there is extensive trade, rather than war.
The Saanich and Chinook people developed a rudimentary language for trading, it evolved to add Chinese and French. Referred to as ‘Chinook Jargon’, I forget the linguist’s term for languages of limited vocabulary and basic grammar.
(From Vancouver Island to the Columbia River is a hike with weather risk even in summer, using dugout canoes. The two tribes had common values, whereas the tribe on the Olympic Peninsula were exploiters.)
We ‘exploit’ China.
China ‘exploits’ us.
When you understand what the term exploit means, you might be able to respond in a way which doesn’t make you look more of an idiot than you clearly are.
Climate initiatives in developing countries are imposing impossible hurdles these nations cannot afford.
What you seem to condone is that now the west is wealthy thanks to fossil fuels we can just pull the drawbridge up and not let the poor world have access to the means of prosperity we enjoyed.
Funny really. When you can’t win the scientific argument you descend down the emotional route.
The word ‘exploit’ has varying meaning, usually negative and ideologically driven (especially by Marxists).
I knew a person whose job was to work on taxes in India for a Canadian company. I asked about language and he pointed out that English was a common language as there were 14 major dialects there.
You are mixing two things.
What kind of society would be better off with fewer of the Ultimate Resource?
Problems occur because of government restrictions on working, criminals though incidence rate is no worse than native born persons, and welfare without restriction.
What language was spoken by by the peoples conquered/displaced by the Cherokee?
[BTW, My great-grandmother registered herself, my grandfather and his sister on the Dawes Rolls (official registration of members of the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma Territory) in 1896. Eat your heart out lying Leftist, Elizabeth Warren.]
“What language was spoken by the peoples conquered/displaced by the Cherokee?”
Good question. Which would apply to all the Indian nations.
Who was the original population? Where are they now?
Fauxcahontas finally got a DNA analysis which showed she had one tribal ancestor many generations ago. The Oklahoma group would not register here.
Many tribes were warmakers. The lady on the first yellow US dollar coin was captured as a slave and sold to the east. Lewis and Clark discovered her and her Courier de Bois husband in a Mandan settlement and hired her as cook and interpreter. Along the journey to the Pacific she encountered some of her relatives. File:Sacagawea dollar obverse.png – Wikipedia
It’s not a question of needing immigrants, it’s a question of attracting the right immigrants i.e. those that can contribute not take, take, take
“Most countries will need a lot of immigration in the future“
That might be true but don’t you agree that such immigration must be done under controlled conditions?
Considering what happened to Native Americans I find it stunning that anyone would use them as an example in the support of unrestrained immigration. The lesson of the story is clear: Congratulations, you have acquired a piece of land and built a civilization. If you want to keep it, control immigration.
But today the US and like countries have a system of government that protects individuals.
The threat is not from immigrants internal goons.
Mr. name: So, you’re saying those cherokee indians really needed the white immigrants, the real problem was the “populist” cherokee whiners. Got it. What ingrates!
Are you saying the English should be talking ancient Germanic languages?
Why do marxist/socialist twits always want society to devolve back to primitive times?
Maybe so they can feel like they belong ???
Allied militaries used different languages over radio such in WWII, ‘Navajo Codetalkers’ are well known now. (Navajo are a tribal group in the SW US who speak a version of an Athapaskan language.)
Ones in Europe were not as successful as Germans were more likely to recognize an old dialect from England.
One Navajo Codetalker did have a tough time, had to convince captors that he was American Indian not Japanese, so they wouldn’t execute him.
Then professors of language in Japan showed up and grilled him about messages, he stuck to saying they were what the words said. But actually the codetalkers used particular definitions, for example The Big Guy, and changed them regularly.
The ‘Athapasan’ or ‘Athabaskan language’ is common in the Athabaska region of northern Alberta and BC. But there are pockets in the US – people get around.
Can you prove that?
Musk should sue Mann for defamation just like Mann sued Steyn.
With a more positive result.
If elected president, Trump is going to appoint Musk to head a commission on “government efficiency”. Maybe NASA will be one of the first agencies to be examined.
I bet Mann would hate that.
Why would the World’s richest man even want Russian money? Pray tell.
Yeah, the Biden-Harris administration is trying to promote another “Russia, Russia, Russia” hoax here right before the presidential election, claiming the Russian are helping the Trump campaign.
But Putin said that he preferred Biden as president and preferred Kamala to succeed him. Putin even complimented Kamala’s distinctive laugh.
The Democrat liars never stop lying.
As if some commentary on the internet is going to sway the election one way or another. It’s a bad joke.
And then there is this:
https://www.newsweek.com/kamala-harris-donald-trump-polling-nate-silver-1949866
Nate Silver Election Model Gives Trump Highest Chance of Winning Since July
Published Sep 06, 2024
“Silver’s forecast model gives Trump a 60.1 percent chance of winning the Electoral College, compared to Vice President Kamala Harris‘ 39.7 percent, with the former president taking 277 electoral votes to the vice president’s 260.”
end excerpt
By all rights, Trump ought to win every State, considering the state of the Nation right now. But then the lying, leftwing media get involved and fool millions of people into voting for stupid, dangerous Democrats.
Don’t vote for Democrats if you value your freedoms. Some lower-ranking Democrats may be fine people, but the leadership of the Democrats are basically communists and so voting for a lower-level Democrat means support for the radical Democrat agenda that seeks to make you their slave in perpetuity.
On the contrary, Putin endorsed Harris, as he likewise supported Clinton and Biden. DOJ indictments show Russia funded several ANTI-Trump media outlets. Anybody supporting Harris is Vlad’s sock puppet.
Its always been totally implausible that Putin supported trump in the 2016 election given the fact that the democrat party has always been softer on communism than the republican party.
Especially evident by Obama’s “reset” , Hillary uranium one deal and hillary’s pay for play bribery scheme.
Its ok when democrats do these things, their ends justify any means.
I’m looking forward to ‘their ends’.
It’s BOHICA time for the D’s!!!
Sure, because russia is communist and trump has absolut zero ties to russia, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials
Russia has been a Democracy since 1991 🤣.
You’re another one stuck in the 1960’s Cold War. No wonder you don’t know what’s going on.
Wikipedia was condemned by one of its founders as a far-left source of biased information.
You can tell, they gush about Hilary…….
russia was only a democracy for about 5 years during the Yelsin time frame. it ceased being democracy when putin showed up.
It’s still not a communist country
Uh, your definition of ‘democracy’ is rather loose. Russia is controlled by a despot, who manipulates elections. It isn’t even a ‘tyranny of the majority case.
Only ties Trump has with Russia are in the FAKE Democrat documents.
Russia collusion was a fabrication by the Clinton campaign, as was the Steele Dossier.
Russia collusion with Trump has been established as a hoax.
The problem with Democrats is they don’t care about repeating lies. In fact, repeating lies is one of their tactics. They do it every day.
We need a Republican majority and a Republican president to look into these matters and punish the Democrat corruption and criminality involved.
We can’t have a political party weaponizing the federal government for political purposes, and that is exactly what the radical Democrats are doing now, and have been doing since Obama got elected in 2008. This current Big Lie is just a continuation of this attack on Democracy by the radical Democrats.
Don’t vote for Democrats, if you know what’s good for you.
The Mueller report established conclusively and factually that Russia was trying to influence the 2016 US election.
The Mueller report also found, in its own words, “numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign.” Those links are also factual.
Mueller did not establish beyond a reasonable doubt that the Trump campaign was actively conspiring with the Russian government in its attempts to influence the US election. However, it pointedly explained that “[a] statement that the investigation did not establish particular facts does not mean there was no evidence of those facts.”
There was, in fact, lots of circumstantial evidence of possible collusion, as should be obvious by the large number of Trump associates who were convicted for their contacts with Russian agents.
Furthermore, Mueller wrote that the “investigation established that the Russian government perceived it would benefit from a Trump presidency and worked to secure that outcome, and that the [Trump] Campaign expected it would benefit electorally from information stolen and released through Russian efforts.”
The Mueller report in no way suggested that the idea of Russian collusion was a “hoax,” and it established multiple points of contact between Russian intelligence and the Trump campaign.
Putin is just playing with you. He doesn’t give a damn, one way or the other.
One party supports ukraine, the other will force them into disadvantageous peace talks. Tell me how putin doesn’t care about that.
Ukraine is run by a Dictator supported by the west.
Russia is a Democracy run by a duly elected official in elections subject to international observers approval, which was given.
You really need to move on from the Cold War.
https://www.propastop.org/eng/2024/04/04/know-your-troll-russian-troll-farms-identity-mimicry-in-2024-and-how-to-spot-it/
Great to see you supporting a puppet installed by the democrats, against the actual people who want to be free from the Ukrainian nazi brigades…
Always linking to blatant propaganda sites, shows where your tiny little mind is at.
An absolutely RABID leftist.
Nazis?
In a country that elected a Jew as President/
You are nuts.
Ye gods. You site a blog with no provenance and no credibility you found online.
Russia is not a democracy, There was a short period during the yeltsin time frame that russia could have been considered a democracy, but russia reverted back to the dictatorship/communist/marxist type system once putin came to power.
Huh? Fact_check!
Zelensky was elected.
I reject your claim about Russian elections.
One thing to note is that Putin controlled who could run against him.
And you really need to take a reality check.
The Democrats support the leftist totalitarian puppet government of Ukraine because they make so much money from them, and need to keep Hunter Biden’s links well hidden.
Joe’s ‘links’… gold ones, I bet.
At least 10%
So according to you, at 1:07 pm the Ukrainian government is “leftist totalitarian” but at 1:12 pm they are Nazis. Make your mind up.
I daresay Putin and Xi would far rather deal with dummies like Biden and Harris. Much easier to manipulate than Trump.
along with dealing with lets reset obama – & hillary – completely illogical that putin would favor trump
You can bet that Putin and Xi and the Mad Mullahs of Iran all want Kamala Harris as the next president. From their persepctive, what’s not to like. Look at how much progress this Axis of Evil has made since the Democrats gained power. They can expect a continuation of their success if Kamala is elected because the people running the show will be the same people who ran the show under Biden.
Putin, Xi and the Mad Mullahs want no part of Trump.
And I notice that since Trump claimed he would have a peace deal made in Ukraine if he is elected, the Ukrainian leader has introduced a new peace plan. Maybe Putin is tired of fighting, too.
There won’t be a peace plan if Kamala is elected.
TheMouthT is not dependable, is erratic and deteriorating.
Your judgement is faulty.
Putin says he likes Harris’s laugh too. Personally, I’m embarrassed that anyone here accepts anything Putin says without question. I bet you believe his “Special military operation’ is to free Ukraine from Nazi control too.
https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-united-states-kamala-harris-trump-721034cf80fed36d4ca22c2608c16911 says in small part:
Putin, who was in the Russian Far East port of Vladivostok for an economic forum, did not address the latest U.S. allegations, but he did comment on the election, in which Harris is the Democratic Party’s nominee after President Joe Biden dropped his bid for reelection.
“We had the current president, Mr. Biden, as our favorite but he was taken out of the race. He recommended all his supporters back Mrs. Harris, so we will too,” Putin said with a wry smile and an arched eyebrow.
Harris, he said, has an “expressive and infectious laugh,” which shows “she’s doing well.”
If Harris is doing well, then “perhaps she will refrain” from imposing more sanctions on Russia, Putin said. Some members of the audience were pictured laughing at his remarks.
Ric, thank you! As a participant here since from the beginning in 2006, thank you for your sane voice!
I think most people here are mature enough not to take any national leader, or any politician, at their word.
The Special Military Operation was never about freeing Ukraine from the Nazi’s. It was about stopping the growing presence of NATO in the country. The Russian consider dispensing with the Banderite Nazi’s in Ukraine as a bonus. And I think anyone with even a rough idea of modern history would think likewise.
It’s interesting that AP News, which you cite, is part of the mainstream media so despised by contributors on this site for spreading climate misinformation, is your first port of call when it suits your Putin narrative.
Was not AP News one of the MSM demanding we all take the BLM knee? Isn’t it one that supports the LGBTQ cause, the child mutilation cause and the cause of DEI?
But suddenly they are telling us all the unvarnished truth about Russia.
It seems that whilst few of us here trust what politicians say, when the narrative suits you, you trust the MSM unquestioningly.
Here is the real reason Putin went into Ukraine, and it comes from Putin’s right-hand man, at the time, before Putin had him murdered for saying the things in the article below.
https://thehill.com/policy/defense/4064431-wagner-chief-says-russias-war-in-ukraine-intended-to-benefit-elites-accuses-moscow-of-lying/
Pure Greed is why Putin attacked Ukraine.
And he would not have attacked except he had a Democrat appeaser, Joe Biden, as president, and Joe demonstrated he was a runner, not a fighter, with the debacle in Afghanistan, and this gave Putin the green light to move into Ukraine.
Huh?
Any Nazis of significance faded when Putin’s puppet fled to Russia after popular demonstrations.
We’ve known that Trump is just Putin’s lapdog since Trump was our president.
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/newspapers-trump-putin-meeting/
Perhaps better, Putin’s Poodle:
CBS of Rathergate fame – I certainly trust the accuracy of CBS (not)
Putin’s lapdog gave him a free pass to steal Crimea, control of a large portion of U.S. uranium, and handed over billions to his main ally. If you’re not sure who that is, I’ll give you a hint- it was the guy before Trump.
“We’ve known that Trump is just Putin’s lapdog since Trump was our president.”
You really believe that? How ignorant! Stick to something you know like climate science.
Oh, this too from 2019.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-lapdog-putin-russia-senator-jeff-merkley-1456465 says in part:
Donald Trump Is ‘Playing Lapdog’ to Putin and Has ‘Consistently Refused to Take on Russia,’ Senator Says: ‘It’s Pretty Horrific’
The far-left media preening themselves in a mirror… as usual
… not realising it is themselves that they see. !
And a far left senator says.. “blah, blah”… … ho-hum !!
“And a far left senator says.. “blah, blah”… … ho-hum !!”
Exactly. Werne acts like it is Gospel,. As if a leftwing Democrat Senator would have anything good to say about Trump.
Newsweek has been irrelevant since the nineties, in fact, I thought it was moribund. Guess not.
While YOU whore yourself to lies and climate B.S. every day.
You know, Mann sued Mark Steyn for telling the truth about his fraudulent science. It would be the epitome of irony if Musk turned around and Sued Mann for libel for claiming Musk is a Russian asset. I’d like to see Mann try to prove that in court.
Democrat aid arrested as Chinese agent.
Democrats colluded with Russians to create fake Trump document.
Democrats gave billions back to Iran after Trump stopped it.
ALWAYS the left that is the whores to Russian, China and Iran.
Yeah, when Trump left office, the Mad Mullahs of Iran had about four billion dollars in the bank. They didn’t have any money to foment regional terrorism.
Then Biden came in and did not enforce the Trump sanctions on Iran and allowed Iran to sell their oil, and Iran’s bank account increased by seveal hundred billion dollars and now the Mad Mullahs have the money to finance the attack on Israel.
And as a bonus, the dangerously ignorant Joe Biden, is presiding over the Mad Mullahs getting their first nuclear weapon. Joe is doing nothing to stop them.
Joe Biden and the Democrats have been an unmitigated disaster on the domestic scene and on the international scene. They have screwed up everything they touch. It’s not a glitch, it’s a feature of the Democrats. They screw everything up because they are delusional and are divorced from reality.
This seemed to be appropriate:
These three?
Mann Jones Gleick
???? Schmidt Mann
Who’s that 1st one in the blue shirt?
Doesn’t matter, they’re interchangeable.
I only recognize the guy from State Penn. at the right …
Rather have him in the State Pen.
Andrew Dessler
You’re right, Thanks
Ahhh, the Coneheads are here!
Not being an expert in the details of climate science models, or even in the various global temperature data sets, it would be great if someone here could explain how/ why the charts Schmidt shows are wrong and on what basis Schmidt’s charts could be defended. I’ve seen other charts at WUWT that claim to show climate models have been badly askew in their “forecasts.” What’s a fella to believe?
Look at it this way. The Stevenson screen wasn’t invented until the late 1890’s. Since then technology has incrementally improved as has it’s proliferation.
Unsurprisingly, temperatures have ‘risen’.
You might ask why they didn’t fall? Well, they did until the 80’s, according to popular mythology of the time, and we had caterwauling about the next ice age. All consigned to the dustbin of “We never said that”.
And humankind is predisposed to catastrophising about falling off the edge of the planet, dragons, disease, nuclear wars, Trump, global famine – you name it, so when the ice age didn’t arrive a new catastrophe was required.
Is it real? It’s about as real as the last catastrophe we were assured would end the planet, whichever that one was.
Guam capsizing.
Because like most surface models, GISTemp is adjusted to fit the GCM outputs, which are then adjusted to fit the surface temperature models. It’s a perfect self-licking ice cream cone.
Zeke and Gavin know this is true but do their best to obfuscate it. As Tony Heller has pointed out, for US data (by far the most detailed and complete data) you can plot the adjusted temps against the raw temps and the station average (not the actual US average temperature mind you, just the average of the stations) and clearly see the induced warming trend (older values cooled, newer values warmed). Data for other countries is all far worse. Zeke and Gavin’s non sequitur response is that they don’t measure temperature by the average of the stations, which doesn’t in any way explain why the simple average shows such a strong warming trend in the adjustments (virtually the entire US warming trend is from adjustments).
If you ask them “hey why hasn’t there been 3 degrees of warming like Hansen predicted in 1988 would happen if emissions continued growing?” they re-run Hansen’s models with new assumptions about how concentrations respond to emissions and claim he was 100% correct. First the scare, then the walkback 35 years later. Three card monte operators have more integrity.
It’s all irrelevant anyway because (as Zeke and Gavin also well know) the modern warming is dominated by cloud effects, not CO2 as the models assume. This has been repeatedly verified by CERES and other measurements since 2020. But you can’t tax clouds for trillions of dollars, so they have good reasons to keep this quiet.
But here’s the actual AR4 prediction vs UAH. If you can make these slopes fit together GISS has millions in grants for you.
“Because like most surface models, GISTemp is adjusted …”
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Here’s the number of changes that have been made in GISTEMP’s Land Ocean Temperature Index LOTI each month so far in 2024:
Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec
544 321 322 394 354 430 278
I’m in your shoes when it comes to intricacies of the entire scam but on this I can tell you this:
Do you know how the BIS “adjusted” the data on employment in such a way that they had to finally admit that they “missed” over 800 thousands of unemployed, just recently?
This is basically how they show you the “warming” but they don’t admit to any “misses”.
They adjust, then adjust, then adjust some more to show a warming trend. Sometimes it bites them in the posterior but they just keep adjusting.
Here is a copy of the UAH satellite chart below just to demonstrate how much NASA Climate and NOAA adjust their temperature data, in order to sell the human-caused climate change, “hotter and hotter and hotter” narrative
Now NASA Climate and NOAA claim that between the year 2000 and the year 2015 there were about ten years where each year was warmer than 1998 (the previous highpoint) and each year was warmer than the previous year, giving the impression that temperatures were getting hotter and hotter and hotter, year after year.
But if you look at the UAH chart you will see that NO year between the year 2000 and the year 2015 could have been described as warmer than 1998 or described as the “hottert year evah!” as NASA Climate and NOAA claimed.
So the NASA Climate and NOAA charts from the year 2000 to the year 2015 are what should be called human-caused climate change propaganda. They used their computers to try to fool the public about the Earth’s climate. They are liars.
See how many years between 2000 and 2015 you can find on the UAH chart that could be described as “the hottest year evah!’. They don’t exist on this chart.
And btw, the UAH chart and the Weather Balloon data correlate at about 97 percent.
They are not “wrong”, but in a domain as vast as “climate science” they are necessarily “selective”.
Hausfather et al was published in 2019, and the IPCC released the “subject to copy-editing” version of the WG-I assessment report in the AR6 cycle in August of 2021, with the “Final / Approved” version released in May 2022.
URL : https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/
In the AR6 WG-I report they included evaluations of the “latest and greatest” CMIP6 models, and compared them to the “obsolete” CMIP5 ones in many different ways.
One of the comparisons that “jumped out” to me was the IPCC’s display of how the ECS value for the model ensembles changed from CMIP5 (for AR5, published in 2013) to CMIP6 (for AR6, 2021/2).
Note for newbies : The “ECS”, or “Equilibrium Climate Sensitivity”, is how much warming (eventually) results per CO2 doubling, and basically tells you how “hot” an individual model (+ parameterisation) runs. The higher the ECS, the “hotter” the output(s) of the model.
The following is a copy of “Figure FAQ 7.3”, which can be found on page 1025 of the AR6 WG-I report.
It clearly shows how the overall ensemble has “moved upwards” from CMIP5 (2013) to CMIP6 (2021), and just how much the CMIP6 “ensemble mean” value is higher than the IPCC’s “expert judgement” of what the actual ECS value should be.
The CMIP5 “ensemble mean” value wasn’t that far off what the IPCC thinks it should be … but the CMIP6 models as a group definitely have a tendency to “run hot”.
One main reason for that increase was a better cloud parametization, which seems to indicate the CMIP5 ensemble was closer to expectations and measurements, but wrong, whereas the CMIP6 ensemble has better clouds, but contains many models which do not overlap well with reality.. a different kind of wrong..
Climate modeling is very imprecise; forecasts are just guesses no matter how you dress up the pig. The natural variations in climate offer a murky view, Any attempt to modify or “adjust” removes the result from actual data to an approximate evaluation with various weightings and other “tools” used to account for data “noise”. As you might imagine there is ample room for malfeasance so you should always approach modeling results with a butt-load of salt. YMMV but I always use the skeptic’s approach – they can all be wrong.
You should follow Roger Pielke Jr. substack, The Honest Broker. He offers excellent commentary and evaluation of climate data uses.
OK.
First, please note the specific reference in the title of the Gavin Schmidt chart that Mann presented in his tweet shown in the above article refers to GISTEMP data.
Here is what NASA Goddard itself has to say about GISTEMP, verbatim from https://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/faq/ :
“The GISTEMP analysis recalculates consistent temperature anomaly series from 1880 to the present for a regularly spaced array of virtual stations covering the whole globe.”
(my bold emphasis added). “Virtual stations” defines such as not being real stations providing real data.
Second, GISTEMP has not been corrected for the by-now-well-known errors introduced by urban heat island (UHI) impact causing temperature measurements to read artificially high.
Third, it is fantasy to think that temperature measurements made even 20 years ago—let alone extending back to 1970 as shown on Schmidt’s graph—are comparable . . . ground monitoring stations used to derive GISTEMP have changed locations in some cases, increased in number, and definitely increased in instrumentation accuracy since 1970.
Fourth, GISTEMP data has been, and continues to be “adjusted” by personnel at Goddard to the point that many scientists deem it to be simply unreliable. I don’t make that charge lightly. Here is just a part of the manner in which the GISTTEMP LOTI dataset was “cooked” by certain scientists pursuing a hidden agenda:
Karl, et. al., published a 2015 paper titled “Possible artifacts of data biases in the recent global surface warming hiatus” (download available at http://sciences.blogs.liberation.fr/files/noaa-science-pas-de-hiatus.pdf ) that fronted the “scientific” reasons that data adjustments were necessary in changing from the ERSST.v3b to ERSST.v4 dataset that is widely used by climate scientists and forms the basis for many IPCC pronouncements about climate. It is interesting to take particular note of the word “possible” in the paper’s title.
An objective read of this paper will show the great lengths the authors went to “erase” the pause, or hiatus, in global warming over the 18 years that was being revealed by the previously-deemed-to-be-accurate ERSST.v3b dataset.
The dataset adjustments cited in the paper have been criticized by some notable climate scientists, such as Dr. Richard Lindzen, Dr. Chip Knappenberger and Dr. Pat Michaels, who recently wrote: “In addition, the authors treatment of buoy sea-surface temperature (SST) data was guaranteed to create a warming trend. The data were adjusted upward by 0.12 deg-C to make them “homogeneous” with the longer-running temperature records taken from engine intake channels in marine vessels. . . . As has been acknowledged by numerous scientists, the engine intake data are clearly contaminated by heat conduction from the structure, and as such, were never intended for scientific use. On the other hand, environmental monitoring is the specific purpose of the buoys. Adjusting good data upward to match bad data seems questionable, and the fact that the buoy network becomes increasingly dense in the last two decades means that this adjustment must put a warming trend in the data.” (bold emphasis added by me)
Lastly, to fully address your question: there is NO basis upon which Schmidt’s charts can be defended.
A problem is that there are very few stations on the oceans.
Recordings from intake of cooling water on ships were used but have been shown to not be accurate.
That is not a problem for monitoring global lower atmospheric temperatures using satellite sensing, as UAH does.
It is a problem for the folks at Goddard who front GISTEMP as being an accurate measure of lower atmospheric temperature . . . and a primary reason they have to convert the data from moving ocean-going sea vessels into “virtual stations”.
However, it does appear that NASA Goddard is now incorporating sea surface (above 5 m depth) temperature measurements from the Argo floats, now close to 4,000 such deployed world-wide, into their LAT computations. How successful that has been without them imposing “adjustments” to the Argo data is anybody’s guess.
However, the Argo floats drift with ocean currents so Goddard is still faced with converting their data into (geographically stationary) “virtual stations”.
Mickey Mann says:
“Elon Musk is a Russian asset and his ownership of twitter (financed by Russia and Saudi Arabia) is a national (and international) security risk. It’s long past time for @TheJusticeDept to step in.”
Does Mann have any evidence to back that up? If not, looks like a slander case- though I bet Musk doesn’t care what such an idiot says.
Yes, Mann has evidence.
It’s was in the Steele Dossier.
(Now it’s in Adam Schiff’s underwear drawer.)
Adam Schiff, the biggest liar in Congress. And that’s saying something!
California voters may put this liar in the U.S. Senate. An affront to Democracy.
I’m betting about half of those 2.3 million Catturd viewers have been blocked by Herr Doktor Professor Mann.
Funny but no. Mann wishes he had a tenth of Catturd’s followers. The number of angry, deluded leftists who follow Mann is a fraction of the happy people who just get on with their lives. But leftists screech so loudly it sounds like more, like your neighbor’s chihuaha that won’t shut up.
and Mickey Mann has been there 7 years longer.
A sad little mann.
With the established fact of Russia funding anti-Trump media companies it’s undeniable that anyone supporting Harris is Putin’s sock puppet. Probably a paid stooge.
/sarc – Or is it?
The 1998 El Nino excursion of more than 1C is not seen in the graphs. The models are retrofitted to massaged ‘cleaned’ observations. Gavin and Mikey are having us on.
Prof. Mann has never been able to handle criticism from his peers.
Would anyone admit to being a peer of the Doctor?
FWIW – the typical warming cycles over the last 20,000 years have run 200-300 years.
Thus predicting a continued warming trend 100 years into the typical 300 year trend is a pretty safe bet.
Nature doesn’t work like that.
Nature works like this: Since the Little Ice Age ended around 1850, the temperatures warm for a few decades and then they cool for a few decades, and the process repeats.
Here is an example, the U.S. temperature chart (Hansen 1999):
I think you are assuming only one periodicity, I read there are at least a few.
Phenomenon of differing periodicity can add together or offset each other.
Basic physics.
Change the subject to Mann v Styen/Simberg/national review
There were 12-15 motions filed post verdict. The court website is showing the case is closed, but the court website shows that no actions have been taken on the various motions.
Does anyone have any update on any of the motions, orders etc?
Apropos that Mickey would post a graph of Mannipulated Fake Data to support his libel.
Shouldn’t the estimable Nobel laureate be on the trail of the lonesome pine?
I think we should be told
You mean the CRU’s single tree in Yamal, or a stripbark pine in Colorado that Stephen McIntyre proved was easy to get to despite what MM claimed?
Mann´s pictures seem to come from here:
https://science.nasa.gov/earth/climate-change/study-confirms-climate-models-are-getting-future-warming-projections-right/
Maybe I misunderstand something, but I have two issues with these graphs:
https://climate-science.press/2023/05/18/what-i-learned-about-what-exxon-knew/
https://i0.wp.com/climate-science.press/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/0image-82.webp?resize=723%2C318&ssl=1
Figure 1: Left, Figure 2 from (2023) Supran-Rahmstorf-Oreskes. The original legend is: “Summary of all global warming projections (nominal scenarios) reported by ExxonMobil scientists in internal documents and peer-reviewed publications (gray lines), superimposed on historically observed temperature change (red).” The projections date from 1977 to 2003. Right: S-R-O (2023) Figure 2 with all the projection uncertainty bars expressing model cloud calibration error added in and plotted together.
NOT have a constant factor subtracted, that looks like data manipulation instead of proper error
progression! If the old models had the clouds incorrect they are simply wrong and need to
be rerun with the correction, not their output manipulated.
To make things worse, I have little doubt that Z. Hausfather must know this! (not so sure about M.
Mann. This is very bad!
This seems to filter statistical data by a wanted outcome? (Like looking at coins tosses only
considering head). I believe that can be done, but all it shows that many models fell through the
cracks.. there should be way more than 17. And if it the reality were something like
“10 out of 100 models are pretty good, but we do not know which ones ”
doesnt it just mean that modeling is still pretty bad?
Just like the very idea to filter statistical data after the fact is wrong, unscientific behaviior1
These clowns should be laughed out of town!
Please someone forward this to NASA, that needs to be taken down ASAP with an explanation how this could ever end up there, it is REALLY bad!
Especially as Zeke is one of the chief climate-clowns and con-artists slurping from the climate trough.
If Zeke says anything about “climate” or “climate models” you KNOW you are being conned.
Just a matter of finding out his methodology.
TIP
Peak hurricane “day” is next Tuesday – Sept 10th – Step away from the beach.
Actually, there are no hurricanes in the North Atlantic, at this time.
But lovely lightning storms still.
The concentration of methane in air is only 1.9 ppm. The reason is that lightning initiates the combustion of methane. We really do not have worry about methane as a greenhouse gas.
I’m not sure combustion is the correct word.
https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/lightning-and-subvisible-discharges-produce-molecules-clean-atmosphere/
and if you want me to receive notification, you have to write “story tip”
Last I looked there were five low-probability events that could negatively impact hurricane formation. It appears the forecasters assumed none of them would occur. They all did. It appears that there is a zero chance of Cape Verde hurricanes this year, and even if the environment saw improvement, no hurricane formation until about a hundred miles east of the Lesser Antilles. There could be some powerful hurricanes, still, but they would likely form in the Caribbean or Gulf of Mexico, and hit hard and fast. Regardless, the forecast that this will be an active year is not yet toast, but it’s beginning to brown.
When was the last time NOAA predicted a below-normal hurricane season? I can’t temember such a prediction.
They always claim it will be an above-normal hurricane season, even during the hurricane drought (no Cat3, 4, or 5, hurricanes) from 2006 to 2017.
It’s always “worse than we thought” with these guys. Because CO2.
Your comment triggered some neurons in my brain.
Since 1999 NOAA has only predicted “below-normal” hurricane seasons twice, in 2014 and 2015.
See the WUWT comment below that I made about 3.5 months ago (which includes a link to the source data).
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/05/23/noaa-predicts-above-normal-2024-atlantic-hurricane-season/#comment-3915342
If the underlying data for Mann´s graph were many drawings of 4-year olds, I am sure you could also find 10 of them looking like the temperature development in the last 20 years,
BUT that tells you absolutely nothing about the drawing/modeling skills creating the data, it just tell you that filtering statistical data after the fact is a really bad, scientifically wrong idea!
Like using a coin toss model saying “30% is head” and then correcting the output (adding heads, the weight of results by a probability or removing tails) according to real world data can be done, but it assumes that this error is the only thing wrong with the model (which seems doubtful for the GCMs).
However, an important thing which also needs to be done right away, is a putting a strong label over every page of the IPCC-4 report stating that whatever is written in there is based on uncorrected, wrong models and cannot be trusted.
Perhaps . . . just plain ignorant, definitely.
The National Academy of Sciences—a once-respected organization of true scientists—must be oh so proud of this member they voted-in back in 2020.
Another Friday funny
The results of the vote in November could reverberate for a million years
If Trump wins the election, this iswhat’s at stake. Bill McKibben
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/sep/06/presidential-election-climate-crisis-project-2025-trump
This is just for Bill McGibbon to commemorate the complete FAILURE of 350.org…
Hopefully we can double it.
Bill needs to change that organization’s name. We are not going back to 350ppm of CO2. It’s not going to happen, Bill. Circumstances have passed you by.
“Elon Musk is a Russian asset …”
Other people have said things about Mann. Mann thought they were mean and malicious. Mann filed lawsuits against those other people ….
Elon is an asset to freedom..
Despite Elon Musk being a well-know public figure, thus pretty much ruling him out as a plaintiff in a libel or slander lawsuit, Musk could easily (IMHO) file suit against Mann for his statement being a legal case of “business interference”.
It would serve Michael Mann right if Musk took him to court.
Man’s assertion about Elon Musk as a Russian asset is as laughable as the “science” he spews forth. He, in my opinion, is a propagandist/pseudoscentist whose interests are money and leftist politics only!
Temperature is better correlated to population and economic development than CO2.
You mean URBAN surface temperature fabrications are correlated with population and economic development.
WHY? is ANYONE responding to mun’s blathering? I, for one, would appreciate visiting WUWT far more if my mind wasn’t bombarded with his/her/its nonendingnonsense! Thanks.
Offering a “multi-model ensemble” as demonstration of the validity of climate modelling is a definitely a “disgrace to the profession”. The average of spaghetti is just pasta.
A PhD and Department head at Penn State vs a random uneducated blogger on X. Of course, WUWT people pick the Turd.
We look at the comment of the cat guy… who is totally CORRECT.
So yes, we side with the CORRECT cat guy, against a known far-leftist conman and liar.
You, of course, side with the conman and liar… (no amount of glitter will hide that particular piece of human excrement).
You thus display your nature and your ignorance..
Nah, WUWT isn’t that into you.
Warren,
I this era of “looking glass” science, PhD might indicate great scholarship or might just stand for “piled higher and deeper” after the BS degree. Mann is hardly an exemplar of the impartial scientist searching for truth.