Energy, Business Groups Ask Supreme Court To Stop California From Forcing EVs On the Rest of America

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Nick Pope
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Numerous trade associations are asking the Supreme Court to review a lower court’s decision that effectively allowed California to push electric vehicles (EVs) on the rest of the U.S.

The coalition of plaintiffs are asking the highest court in the land to take up a review of the D.C. Circuit’s dismissal of a previous challenge against the Environmental Protection Agency’s (EPA) approval of a California Air Resource Board (CARB) request to pursue tailpipe emissions standards that are more stringent than federal requirements. If the Supreme Court were to take the case and decide favorably for the plaintiffs, the ruling could potentially deal a serious blow to California’s de facto ability to dictate emissions standards and force EVs on the rest of the country, a spokesperson for one of the involved trade associations suggested.

“We are asking the Supreme Court to reverse the D.C. Circuit’s erroneous holding that fuel providers lack ‘standing’ to challenge EPA’s unlawful California waiver, and also to provide long overdue clarity on the authority of EPA and California to mandate electric vehicles,” said Chet Thompson, AFPM’s president and CEO. “California is not a ‘super state,’ its Clean Air Act carveout does not give it special privileges to regulate greenhouse gas emissions standards or dictate what types of car and truck powertrains can be sold in this country. Authority of this magnitude rests with Congress.” (RELATED: Biden Admin Weighs California’s Latest Green Gambit That Could Set Off Chain Reaction Of Economic Pain)

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California is unique in that it can apply for Clean Air Act waivers to issue vehicle emissions rules that are tighter than those of the federal government; a number of states have voluntarily attached themselves to CARB’s standards. However, as policy experts have previously explained to the Daily Caller News Foundation, this dynamic is likely to essentially force manufacturers to either produce fleets for CARB-aligned states and non-CARB states, or to simply make their entire fleets CARB-compliant despite the fact that many states do not want to adhere to CARB’s policies.

“As a concurrent challenge of 17 States explains, there are serious constitutional concerns with a statute that allows only California to act as a junior-varsity EPA,” the filing states. “Simply put, the waiver and authority claimed here are key parts of a coordinated agency strategy to convert theNation from liquid-fuel-powered vehicles to electric vehicles.”

Organizations involved in the litigation include the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers (AFPM), the Domestic Energy Producers’ Alliance (DEPA), the National Association of Convenience Stores (NACS) and the Energy Marketers of America (EMA). The D.C. Circuit previously dismissed an appeal seeking to block the CARB waiver on the grounds that the plaintiffs lacked standing.

“The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously rejected these challenges to clear direction by Congress, which it has repeatedly affirmed in the Clean Air Act over the past 5 decades,” a spokesperson for CARB told the DCNF. “The petitioners are wrong on the facts and on the law in their challenge to sensible, achievable emission standards that the auto industry fully complies with.”

The request to the Supreme Court specifically addresses the Clean Air Act waiver for CARB’s “Advanced Clean Cars I” rules, which required manufacturers to increase EV and zero-emissions vehicle sales over time. If the Supreme Court takes the review and rules against the regulators, the decision could also have implications for CARB’s “Advanced Clean Cars II” rule, which bans the sale of new gas-powered passenger vehicles in the state starting in 2035, the spokesperson for one of the organizations involved in the litigation suggested.

The EPA did not respond immediately to a request for comment.

California is unique in that it can apply for Clean Air Act waivers to issue vehicle emissions rules that are tighter than those of the federal government; a number of states have voluntarily attached themselves to CARB’s standards. However, as policy experts have previously explained to the Daily Caller News Foundation, this dynamic is likely to essentially force manufacturers to either produce fleets for CARB-aligned states and non-CARB states, or to simply make their entire fleets CARB-compliant despite the fact that many states do not want to adhere to CARB’s policies.

“As a concurrent challenge of 17 States explains, there are serious constitutional concerns with a statute that allows only California to act as a junior-varsity EPA,” the filing states. “Simply put, the waiver and authority claimed here are key parts of a coordinated agency strategy to convert theNation from liquid-fuel-powered vehicles to electric vehicles.”

Organizations involved in the litigation include the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers (AFPM), the Domestic Energy Producers’ Alliance (DEPA), the National Association of Convenience Stores (NACS) and the Energy Marketers of America (EMA). The D.C. Circuit previously dismissed an appeal seeking to block the CARB waiver on the grounds that the plaintiffs lacked standing.

“The D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals unanimously rejected these challenges to clear direction by Congress, which it has repeatedly affirmed in the Clean Air Act over the past 5 decades,” a spokesperson for CARB told the DCNF. “The petitioners are wrong on the facts and on the law in their challenge to sensible, achievable emission standards that the auto industry fully complies with.”

The request to the Supreme Court specifically addresses the Clean Air Act waiver for CARB’s “Advanced Clean Cars I” rules, which required manufacturers to increase EV and zero-emissions vehicle sales over time. If the Supreme Court takes the review and rules against the regulators, the decision could also have implications for CARB’s “Advanced Clean Cars II” rule, which bans the sale of new gas-powered passenger vehicles in the state starting in 2035, the spokesperson for one of the organizations involved in the litigation suggested.

The EPA did not respond immediately to a request for comment.

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strativarius
July 8, 2024 3:36 am

I have a feeling that my total ignorance on [American] lawfare is about to be remedied.

Labour ‘Lawfare Britain’ Would See Massive Increase In US Style Class Action Lawsuits.
https://order-order.com/2024/06/14/labour-lawfare-britain-would-see-massive-increase-in-us-style-class-action-lawsuits/

Nevermind the huge covid enhanced backlog in the courts.

Over the last few days the mad monk has been nowhere to be seen, strange given that he’s in pole position to start the deindustrialisation and decline. If it truly is a crisis, an emergency, what is going on?

“”Labour has put clean energy as one of its central missions for government, in a bid to end high bills “for good”””

I’ll hold him to that knowing he hasn’t a snowball in hell’s chance of doing it- without the North sea and fracking.

“”Miliband now faces the challenge of delivering the clean energy pledge by 2030 and advancing key emissions-cutting initiatives, despite Labour reducing its proposed £28 billion annual climate action budget.””

‘A fantastic day’: Former Labour leader Ed Miliband makes a return to Cabinet https://www.itv.com/news/2024-07-05/a-fantastic-day-former-labour-leader-ed-miliband-makes-a-return-to-cabinet

gezza1298
Reply to  strativarius
July 8, 2024 6:14 am

”Labour has put clean energy as one of its central missions for government, in a bid to end high bills “for good””

And as everyone knows, getting clean energy is very expensive which will push our high bills even higher with little chance of sane people reducing them quickly.

”Miliband now faces the challenge of delivering the clean energy pledge by 2030 and advancing key emissions-cutting initiatives, despite Labour reducing its proposed £28 billion annual climate action budget.”

A message for MiliTwat – you have already failed to meet your target as there is not the physical capacity to deliver your fantasy even if you had the money, which you don’t.

strativarius
Reply to  gezza1298
July 8, 2024 7:14 am

Let the delusion begin….

Duane
July 8, 2024 3:57 am

If SCOTUS accepts this case, EPA will lose yet again. From EPA’s website:

According to the Clean Air Act Section 209 – State Standards, EPA shall grant an authorization under section 209(e)(2), unless the Administrator finds that California:

was arbitrary and capricious in its finding that its standards are, in the aggregate, at least as protective of public health and welfare as applicable federal standards;

does not need such standards to meet compelling and extraordinary conditions; or

California’s standards and accompanying enforcement procedures are not consistent with this section.

On this basis, SCOTUS can and probably will rule that EPA has no authority to allow CA or any other state to effectively ban internal combustion vehicles, that Congress in 1970 and again in the 1990 Amendments clearly had no intention to cause such a draconian outcome. SCOTUS is likely to rule that such compelling and extraordinary circumstances do not exist, and that if such circumstances do in fact exist, then Congress has the authority amend the CAA accordingly. This policy is entirely consistent with prior recent rulings by this SCOTUS.

Dave Yaussy
Reply to  Duane
July 8, 2024 5:28 am

Duane, that’s a good point, and I hope you are right. However, I think that this situation is different from the other recent cases in which the SCOTUS struck down rulemaking as exceeding Congressional authorization. In this situation, the Clean Air Act expressly allows California to seek a waiver, subject to the constraints in the statute, which are fairly vague. I think they are likely to uphold the waiver.

I don’t think we can blame just California for this one. It’s equally the fault of states that voluntarily hitched their wagon to California’s, and the car companies that failed to object to the California standard because that is exactly what they wanted to be forced to do. They were foolish, and the chickens are coming home to roost.

This is going to have to play out politically. The car companies can’t switch over to solely EVs and stay in business. The majority of the public is going to strenuously object to being forced to buy EVs, or paying exorbitant penalties in order to buy ICEs. California is going to have to backtrack, or there is a huge crash coming. California is going to learn there is more than one 500 pound gorilla in the room.

Duane
Reply to  Dave Yaussy
July 8, 2024 5:51 pm

The conditions in Sect. 177 of CAA for granting an exemption to any state are not vague at all. SCOTUS will be happy to strike down EPA’s mindless approval of radically damaging state air pollution regulations, just as they did in Sackett and Loper, for exactly the same reasons.

If Congress intended that EPA and one or more states could effectively destroy all powered transport in America, then Congress would have said so in the CAA. SCOTUS no longer, after striking down Chevron, defers to administrative agencies who try to end-around Congress by effectively inventing and enforcing their own laws.

KevinM
Reply to  Duane
July 8, 2024 8:38 am

I think the guys who wrote the US constitution would side with California – if the state’s citizens want to do without something I think is useful then they can do that and it’s not any of the federal court’s business.

Dena
Reply to  KevinM
July 8, 2024 4:09 pm

The federal government is responsible for interstate commerce so as it crosses state boundaries, it would fall to the federal government to decide if it was in the range of the federal governments power. One state isn’t allowed to control the commerce of another so either the federal government would decide or it wouldn’t be permitted.

Duane
Reply to  KevinM
July 8, 2024 5:40 pm

Air pollution regulation is strictly reserved to the Federal government except as Congress explicitly says otherwise, in accordance with the supremacy and interstate commerce clauses of the Constitution.

So then the question becomes “What statutory conditions did Congress impose on EPA for granting any exemptions to Federal air pollution regulations to any state? Well, the plain English reading of Section 177 of the CAA is stated above and as stated on the EPA website makes it clear that completely banning ICVs is not germane to reasonably regulating vehicle emissions. It is emphatically clear the Congress never intended that EPA grant an exemption to California or any other state in order to make internal combustion powered vehicles illegal. If that was the intent of Congress, then Congress would have said so in the 1970 CAA and the 1990 CAA Amendments. Congress can say exactly that today if Congress votes to do so. That’s where the policy must be made.

That is precisely the reasoning SCOTUS applied to its decision overturning Chevron.

johnlocke
Reply to  Duane
July 10, 2024 6:21 pm

This case doesn’t apply to the EPA, this is a state level law.

July 8, 2024 4:11 am

story tip

Discovery of 2-million-year-old DNA in Greenland reveals new details about ancient life

Scientists working in Greenland identified the oldest samples of DNA ever found on earth. By analyzing the two-million year old genetic material, they’ve revealed how northern Greenland was once a wildly different environment than the cold, polar region it is today. Project researcher Eske Willerslev joined William Brangham to discuss the discovery.

Mastodons in northern Greenland! The scientist says it was about 10 deg C hotter 2 million years ago. This video is a year old so maybe discussed here, but I found it amazing- so sorry that it’s off topic but worth watching.

strativarius
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
July 8, 2024 5:03 am

They know the score, Joseph. That’s why they try to erase it or play it down.

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Editor
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
July 8, 2024 5:18 am

re: 10 deg C hotter 2m years ago:
See the first chart in Marine isotope stages.

Reply to  Mike Jonas
July 8, 2024 7:23 am

that much hotter in northern Greenland- I’m no scientist but me thinks not everywhere was 10 deg hotter- one simple thing I’ve learned is that in warmer periods, much of the warming is in the high latitudes???

but the oceans didn’t boil and the planet didn’t burn up

KevinM
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
July 8, 2024 8:44 am

Arguing for evolution and “unprecedented” climate change creates conflicts within the same groups. JZ’s video/observation highlights one of the biggest “having it both ways” conflicts those specific groups have to live with.
I used to watch the Nature documentaries on PBS Boston in the 1980’s. They were big on evolution and ice ages and rock layers in the Grand Canyon.

July 8, 2024 5:01 am

Just keep being stuck in the past while the rest of the world moves on

Distributed photovoltaic power dominates grid in East China’s
https://www.evwind.es/2024/07/08/distributed-photovoltaic-power-dominates-grid-in-east-chinas/99570

Now you can post graphs that are viable for maybe the next two years before it becomes clear to even the last one how the world is moving on to renewables and EVs.

strativarius
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 5:14 am

You don’t see this at a petrol station…

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strativarius
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 5:41 am

Thank god we left the EU.

That’s corporate vandalism. It certainly isn’t what people want.

But it is… what you want.

MarkW
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 9:11 am

I see that loserName still believes that government mandates are proof of market acceptance.

Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 5:15 am

Do not feed the troll! There’s what looks like one poster with several accouints posting this stuff with no aim but to get a rise out of everyone.

Don’t rise to it!

strativarius
Reply to  michel
July 8, 2024 5:19 am

Have you never ever enjoyed squatting a fly?

Reply to  michel
July 8, 2024 5:25 am

Getting the rise out of everyone with news from around the world that don’t fit the dogma? Now that was easy. I don’t need an several accounts to enjoy posting that in the end, after all those years of naysaying and delay tactics, renewables win out in the end. As was to be expected, hence the massive amount of money from fossil fuel companies to discredit them.

Even the argument about coal wonderland china will soon be history.

strativarius
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 5:43 am

You serve as a weathervane for abject alarmism.

It can be useful, occasionally

Bryan A
Reply to  strativarius
July 8, 2024 6:11 am

Even Idiots are useful to the wrong cause

Ex-KaliforniaKook
Reply to  Bryan A
July 10, 2024 9:23 am

I don’t think he’s an idiot. Just incredibly well programmed by indoctrination centers (schools).

Dave Andrews
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 7:46 am

In 2023 coal in China provided 70% of China’s electricity and solar while equivalent to 20.9% of installed capacity at the end of 2023 provided 3% of China’s electricity.

Meanwhile China added a further 58GW of coal during the year.

You obviously need to get out more.

Reply to  Dave Andrews
July 8, 2024 8:47 am

Installed:

1100 GW Coal
660 GW Solar
440 GW Wind

Share:

60% Coal
6% Solar
9% Wind

2024:

40GW new coal
70GW new Wind
190GW new Solar

MarkW
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 9:15 am

And as usual, loserName can’t tell the difference between nameplate and and actual production.
That and the fact that it actually believes unsupported claims of propaganda outlets.

Ex-KaliforniaKook
Reply to  MarkW
July 10, 2024 9:35 am

In Luser’s world, the wind in China always blows at the optimum speed.

He’s been brainwashed with the old canard “wind is free” but can’t learn that it doesn’t always blow at the optimum speed and costs a fortune to capture energy from it.

KevinM
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 11:11 am

The math there is not right if I assume “Installed:” and “Share:” use the same data source. I’m guessing possible math error caused some downvotes.

Reply to  KevinM
July 8, 2024 11:21 am

As answer to Daves post it’s share of provided electricity. Sorry if it wasn’t clear.

Graeme4
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 9:33 pm

No it’s not “provided electricity”. If it was, the figures would be in GWh, not GW. Important to know the difference.

Reply to  Graeme4
July 9, 2024 12:25 am

share of provided electricity

That’s why it’s percent (%). Reading and understanding the full sentence and context is also important.

Bryan A
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 11:50 am

I’ll wager that 190GW new solar produces net zero increase in GWh attributable to solar especially after 5pm when solar produces ZERO regardless of how many useless GWs are installed

Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 4:07 pm

All that fake capacity of wind and solar…

.. to provide SO LITTLE !

And totally unreliable, to boot !

China-electricity-prod
Graeme4
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 9:28 pm

It looks like MUN’s “data”; is derived from the IEA 2024 Report. However, their 2024 figures were projections only, not factual data.

KevinM
Reply to  Dave Andrews
July 8, 2024 8:50 am

Thanks DA, that is the correct answer that regulars knew but were too lazy to post.

KevinM
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 8:48 am

What do you think will happen to the coal plants?

Reply to  KevinM
July 8, 2024 11:22 am

Lowered capacity factor to supplement renewables, until batteries take over.

Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 4:05 pm

roflmao.

More delusional twaddle from the luser.

COAL is growing and growing all around the world.

Batteries will never take over, they required far too much mining and cost.

Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 10:36 pm

If you clap harder, Tinkerbell’s batteries will recharge.

MarkW
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 9:13 am

Another socialist that can’t tell the difference between propaganda and reality.
Any source that supports what the party tells it to believe, instantly become both authoritative and unquestionable.

Reply to  MarkW
July 8, 2024 3:22 pm

And we are not supposed to confront the nonsense he spews.

Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 4:02 pm

China is adding WAY more COAL than they are renewables.

The energy they get from wind and solar is a pittance.

But don’t let the facts get in the way of a pitiful piece of blatant propaganda. !

China-Energy-consumption
kelleydr
Reply to  michel
July 8, 2024 8:33 am

As the old adage goes, “Never wrestle with a pig; you both get filthy and the pig likes it.”

Mr.
Reply to  kelleydr
July 8, 2024 9:32 am

Or argue with a moron.
They’ll just bring you down to their level of irrationality, and beat you with experience.

rhs
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 5:25 am

How quaint, another source chatting about a lot of solar, wind, and biomass was generated.
No mention of how much of the power was consumed/consumable, or how much money was being spent to keep a backup supply on stand by.
Also, no mention of where energy comes from on poor performing days.
Also no mention of how much crop land or wild life habitat was destroyed for this solar excrement miracle.

It would take a much longer article to identify everything missing from the pointless, feel good drivel posted.

Scissor
Reply to  rhs
July 8, 2024 5:44 am

The slave class in China accept their poverty and unreliable power as the price for being allowed to live.

Bryan A
Reply to  rhs
July 8, 2024 11:53 am

Also that absolutely none of the solar was produced when it was actually needed…during the evening peak demand times

rhs
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 6:00 am

Tell you what, I’ll drink you Kool-aid/Jim Jones juice when your magic beans can reliability power data centers and AI:
https://theconversation.com/power-hungry-ai-is-driving-a-surge-in-tech-giant-carbon-emissions-nobody-knows-what-to-do-about-it-233452
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/07/03/google-damage-control-over-ai-driven-48-co2-emissions-surge/

Until then, we’ll enjoy popcorn from a reliable power source while you churn in rinse, lather, repeat lala land.

Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 6:21 am

You still believe you are shepherding the Western world into the future? You still arrogantly believe you know best?

Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 6:40 am

In China, Solar works at night!

Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 6:47 am

Mylusername clearly doesn’t understand the difference between installed capacity (units MW, or power) and energy (units MWh or Joules).

mleskovarsocalrrcom
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 7:22 am

Nothing but a propaganda piece for the gullible while it is common knowledge that China is consuming more fossil fuels than the ROW saves.

MarkW
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 9:10 am

It doesn’t take much propaganda to impress you.

Mr.
Reply to  MarkW
July 8, 2024 9:38 am

Dictates in totalitarian government countries are no indicator of market acceptance of anything if the people were not able to exercise their free choices of goods & services.

Let’s remember too that it was China who inflicted the one-baby rule on their citizens.

(Of course, The Greens have since upped that ante to a NO babies policy)

Idle Eric
Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 9:26 am

Chinese statistics, lol.

Reply to  MyUsername
July 8, 2024 3:57 pm

China’s energy usage. Wind and solar barely visible

AND they are adding more COAL than they are “unreliables”

EV’s powered by COAL !!

And tell us, what do they use at night, and on cloudy and in winter.

You are gullibly delusional….. as always.!

China-Energy-consumption
July 8, 2024 5:27 am

Trump has said he is going to reduce the U.S. Department of Education to a skeleton staff in Washington DC and the department’s job of education the youth is going to be given back to the States.

Trump needs to do the same to the EPA.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 8, 2024 6:08 am

Maybe he can end The Search For The Magic Battery by the DoE, total waste of money.

KevinM
Reply to  karlomonte
July 8, 2024 8:55 am

EVs and alternative energy aside, a magic battery would be super useful. I’d much rather NASA commit budget and personnel to energy storage research than staring at temperature charts. Some really, really smart people work … can’t say “for that company”, but you get it.

MarkW
Reply to  karlomonte
July 8, 2024 9:17 am

Just end the DoE, nothing it does is useful.

July 8, 2024 6:03 am

This is good news, if the Supremes take the case.

Bryan A
July 8, 2024 6:05 am

Just imagine all the green jobs that would be created if California were required to produce all their CARB compliant cars within state borders and the remainder of the US states could do as they please.
Ca, if you want stricter standards then produce your own folly

July 8, 2024 6:36 am

The court already allowed California to set hog farming standards that have national effect. Why and how is this different?

Giving_Cat
July 8, 2024 8:26 am

With 4000 days to build 500,000 charging stations, how many were built yesterday?

Bryan A
Reply to  Giving_Cat
July 8, 2024 11:56 am

That’s about 12-13 stations per day

KevinM
July 8, 2024 8:32 am

California is unique in that it can apply for
likely to essentially force manufacturers to
Stopped reading.

July 8, 2024 12:22 pm

Made me think of all the products that have a warning label such as “The State of California has determined that …”. They show up on things all over the US.

I also wonder about the class action lawsuits law firms use to fish for clients.
“If you or a loved one used or were exposed to (fill in the blank) and now suffer from (fill in the blank), call the law firm of…”
I wonder where these suits were filed and won?

Reply to  Gunga Din
July 8, 2024 12:48 pm

Tabasco won’t ship their color sticks to CA because of prop 65.

Reply to  Tony_G
July 8, 2024 2:08 pm

Really?
I didn’t know that.
(Is it “won’t” or “can’t”. If it’s “won’t”, other companies should follow their example.)

David S
July 8, 2024 1:28 pm

The Constitution gives Congress exclusive law making authority. Nowhere does it mention the EPA or any on the alphabet soup of Federal agencies. And yet these un-elected Federal bureaucrats have been passing rules that carry the force of law. We the people have no control over those agencies. So we no longer have a representative form of government. It’s high time the courts start striking those agencies down.

Bob
July 8, 2024 5:24 pm

California leaders are so stupid it takes my breath away. It is time to stop fighting California and give them what they want. All fossil fuel and fossil fuel by products need to be blocked from entering California. California ports are important to us so they will remain open but be operated by non Californians. The products unloaded at the ports will be shipped out of California by out of staters. We may have to build a wall to keep Californians in California.

Edward Katz
July 8, 2024 6:03 pm

What governments can’t comprehend is the fact that consumer demand for EVs is limited regardless of cock & bull stories that they’re essential for reducing carbon emissions. Canada provides a typical example of how government incentives and mandates are consistently proving ineffectual in increasing the adoption of these machines. Seven of the 10 provinces as well as the federal government offer incentives of various types to purchase them; yet last year EVs nationally were only 11% of total vehicle sales. Canadians have the usual reasons for steering clear of them: they’re excessively expensive, there’s a shortage of public charging stations, consumers doubt their reliability in Canada’s winter climate, recent reports show that they’re almost 80% more likely to develop mechanical and electrical problems than ICE types, resale values are low, and whatever long-term savings they’re reputed to have are still questionable. Yet governments continue to allow themselves to be pressured by alarmists that EVs are essential cogs in efforts to avoid the climate catastrophes that people are skeptical about to begin with.

johnlocke
July 10, 2024 6:20 pm

You can’t be both for and against the 10th amendment at the same time.