What Postmodernists Got Right About Science

From William M. Briggs, Statistician to the Stars!

Maybe you can remember way back to the mid to late 1990s. Ancient history. This was the time of the original Science Wars, the assault by rapid postmodernists (i.e, the pre-woke) on the staid and solid walls of Science. I was in grad school at the time, and paid close attention, because I had planned on making science my career.

Postmodernists claimed that there were different ways of knowing, and that science occupied a place no more important in its claims to truths about the world as did, say, Aboriginal origin myths. That argument would later become a woke one when it was said that Aboriginal origin myths are ackshually superior to claims of science because the Aborigines were Victims.

That story you know. But it lay twenty years in the future.

Then? Well, it’s hard to describe the visceral shock of scientists when they, for the first time, had their intelligence and motivations called into question. They reacted like the king’s daughter whose virtue had been called into question. There arose a swarm of indignant articles by scientists, and their fanboys, all with the theme How dare they.

Postmodernists charged that science had become a vote, just another system of power-in-action, no more or less noble than any other. Scientists rebutted that postmodernists were ninnies.

The peak was, as you may recall, the so-called Sokal hoak, in which physicist Alan Sokal slipped a goofy jargon-filled incoherent science paper into Social Text, a big name po-mo journal. Sokal’s paper had statements like “quantum gravity is a social and linguistic construct.”

The idea behind the hoax was that Social Text was going to blush, postmodernists would be exposed, admit their sins, and science would again reign triumphant.

Alas, this did not happen. Because the postmodernists were more or less right. Science in practice was becoming, in a large and increasing degree, the machinations of people who did not always, and sometimes not at all, have Truth as their goal, but who were interested in power.

Sokal thought he was aiding the cause with his follow-up 1999 book (co-authored with Jean Bricmont) Fashionable Nonsense: Postmodern Intellectuals’ Abuse of Science, in which he went to great and extended thousand-dollar-word-filled turgid lengths to boast about his progressive bona fides, pleading that therefore his critique was a good one.

Which, as I hope you see, grants the postmodernist premise that it mattered more who you were than what you were saying. Science had become a vote, just like postmodernists said. It also didn’t help that it might really be true (as some think) that quantum gravity is a social and linguistic construct, a sort of mathematical game understood only by a clique, one that might have nothing to do with Reality.

Funny thing about the hoax is that, after the first hilarity died down, scientists forgot about Social Text. It is still going strong. At the time I write this, it boasts these top-three trending articles: “‘Spirit in Opposition’: Malcolm X and the Question of Palestine”, “Introduction: Left of Queer”, “Fascism’s Spatial Imaginary at the Threshold”.

They won.

Science is becoming power politics, where might makes right. Not everywhere, no, but in bulk, and certainly in its main funding methods. Here’s proof.

I wrote many times (blog, Substack) that scientists will create entire subfields of activity, just because they think other scientists think the area is paper-worthy. Scientists are just as prone to fads as anybody else. The mass of papers that develop in the subfield becomes truth-as-vote. Scientists reason that because so many are working in this area, and are being funded, the basic claims must be true.

As proof of that contention, here is a Nature article boasting about the number of “climate change” papers, and using the increase as proof that therefore the claims of “climate change” must be true, and must be acted upon. We have, you and I, dear reader, over the years looked at enough of these papers to see that most are worthless to harmful, a prime (and, sadly, enduring) example of science-as-vote.

climatepapers

A more mundane, but even more revealing, example was provided in a recent tweet announcing that the American College of Pediatricians had put out a statement condemning the satanic lunacy of butchering and drugging children in slave to gender theory.

One of the first comments to this tweet was that the ACP is “a fringe group”. That was the entirety of the tweet. The implication, plain to all, was that therefore it was right and proper to ignore anything the ACP says.

The commenter was right. The ACP is a fringe group, and is so because it calls to Reality, whereas mainstream scientists are lunatics in love with twisted Fantasies. But the mainstream has a bigger vote. The mainstream won; they have the power. The key is that ordinary people recognize who is in power and who is out.

I should say lunatic or cowardly scientists love “gender theory”. But a scientist acting cowardly is just as much a confirmation of science-as-vote as the positive examples. Fear and trembling have become so rife even woke Nature itself has recently put out a slew of articles asking scientists to man-up. One title: “Why it’s essential to study sex and gender, even as tensions rise”.

Some scientists have been warned off studying sex differences by colleagues. Others, who are already working on sex or gender-related topics, are hesitant to publish their views. Such a climate of fear and reticence serves no one. To find a way forward we need more knowledge, not less.

Of course, being weak, they can’t help themselves and immediately walked that admonition back by calling (in that and other articles) for “nuanced” takes.

You remember the blind idiocy of mask madness. It had been known for a century, as I shouted over and over and over for years (blog, Substack), that masks (except for spacesuits) did diddly squat in stopping transmission of respiratory bugs. Scientists before 2020 knew this. But once the panic hit, they pretended to forget or they let their minds be changed by political force. Mask madness hit.

Slowly the panic faded. Finally, there came a Cochrane review showing what we already knew, that masks don’t work, and are to some extent harmful. Alas, the review scientists forgot about hersterical (there is no misspelling) political forces of the cult of Safety First! Which led to this new article, whose title says it all: “After Throwing Scientists Under the Bus for a Media Smearing, Cochrane Backtracks on Mask Review Statement”

And there are many other examples, but this is plenty to prove the point.

It was inevitable, perhaps, that after science became ubiquitous and powerful, and very rich, that it would devolve into politics. Which is what the postmodernists (in part) argued all along.

They were right.

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Scissor
June 14, 2024 6:13 am

Conservation laws have such a negative connotation.

Sean Galbally
June 14, 2024 6:18 am

Unfortunately this article is spot on. The truth matters little to the power brokers. Those who seek reality can only rely on original unbiased research. Where can you find that these days? All we mere mortals can do is to question and discuss everything.

Sparta Nova 4
Reply to  Sean Galbally
June 14, 2024 9:06 am

You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth!
— A few Good Men.

Reply to  Sean Galbally
June 14, 2024 4:13 pm

It seems to me the problem is not with science, but rather to the slow and inexorable takeover of universities and scientific institutions by leftists. They are the ones who built and subverted the “social science” departments, that churn out this dangerous drivel. Oddly (or not?), they started with Eugenics, which became a favorite “theory” of the National Socialists in 1930’s German. This leftist tide is the tide we need to turn. Seems like lately things are heading in the right direction, but it’s still hard to see a future without people who will usurp control of any powerful institution to their own sordid ends. Jesus taught about peace and turning the other cheek. A 1000 years later, the church that was founded in his name was burning innocent people at the stake and preventing the growth of science that was in large part born from the work of Christian monks—Nicolaus Copernicus, Gregor Mendel, Georges Lemaître, Albertus Magnus, Roger Bacon, etc.

0perator
June 14, 2024 6:30 am

Postmodernism is a self-refuting worldview, philosophically speaking. It’s means to an end of power, and that is all they care about. The goal of the postmodernists is reordering the world into their view, as if they were gods. They are revolutionaries who will tear down anything and everything, modern day Vandals. Their toolbox has one key tool, vandalism, tear down tradition, the family, truth, even life itself.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  0perator
June 14, 2024 7:58 am

I believe you will find that that is unfair on the Vandals..

Reply to  0perator
June 14, 2024 9:12 am

Indeed. ‘Knowing’ there is no objective reality is what allows Marxists to maintain their core beliefs, notwithstanding the horrors and collapse of Soviet Communism.

The Expulsive
June 14, 2024 6:42 am

As a young engineer I read a book on why science was on the outs, which made somewhat of an impression on me. In essence it said that “real” science (physics,. chemistry, etc.) was hard, that “real” mathematics (diffy Qs, numerical methods, etc.) was hard, that computer engineering (programming a mainframe, numerical methods on computers, etc.) was hard, and that people only wanted simple explanations that could be placed on a single page (in 16 point). I noted that most people could add and subtract (somewhat), but most didn’t want anything to do with computers or engineering. Then, at a party, a joked about this with some computer lecturers and they said that the computer phobia would pass once they took the programming aspect away (they were right), but engineering would always be “unpopular”.
This is the world we live in, so I went to law school.

sherro01
Reply to  The Expulsive
June 14, 2024 7:42 am

Exclusive,
Interesting take, thank you. I did Science quals in the 1960s before post-mod. It was hard. But, Life has an odd way to work so that big returns can come to those who can do the hard work. There is a reward core that matters (with exceptions) to motivated workers.
Writing about post-mod like Briggs does here occupies one small social field. Working with Science while knowing about post-mod is another. There are many times when Science advances in its exciting ways while mere note is taken of post-mod complications. I did mineral exploration science. No matter what post-mod theory was, a new orebody could be found if it was there and the science was good. There was no need to apologise to anyone if it was absent.
I have long wondered why some good scientists and engineers became afraid of punishment and threat (by a sub-group of society in maybe some social medium) to the extent that they weaken their proper science by, for example, not calling out poor science. Climate change is a topic full of poor science that has grown fast because.of their cowardice in fighting misdirected use of wealth and power.
Search WUWT for “Sherrington Rockefeller” for a very serious example of abuse. Read recent Rockefeller activities to see how they are inventing new dictatorial ways to abuse science – they have no idea what science is, other than evil in their eyes. Then start your own efforts to show the public how bad they have become, spending OPM while advertising like they are angels.
Geoff S

I gave

The Expulsive
Reply to  sherro01
June 15, 2024 6:31 am

I worked as an engineer for 12 years, in what might be called the military-industrial complex, and found it mostly rewarding, except for the low respect and money on offer. It became obvious to me that those with financial credentials were taking over (the MBAs and bean counters) and that to be associated with building would become even less “profitable”, which seems to have played out that way.
As a lawyer I noted the penchant of many not to not call out bad science (as you call it). If you challenged the mainstream ideas about CO2, by example, you were deemed a crank (it was worse than being “conservative” in many law firms). No one wanted to hear explanations as to why the latest plans for “saving the world” just didn’t add up, as you were in fact pointing out how innumerate they were. It became apparent to me, many years ago, that “the science” was just code for what the leftist elites wanted.
I don’t put it down as “post-modernism” but to how the all of the leftists I knew in uni just became environmentalists and “greens” once the Berlin Wall came down.

sherro01
Reply to  The Expulsive
June 15, 2024 6:19 pm

Expuslive,
Our cure for being poorly paid (we were not) was to generate our own pay. We took a small miner to a large one by finding a dozen new deposits that generated growth and so much money that it would have been churlish to pay poorly. Everyone potentially has a solution like that. Geoff S

UK-Weather Lass
Reply to  The Expulsive
June 14, 2024 9:45 am

What you describe is the gradual decline in the once rigorous standards required to be successful in whatever discipline selected. At one time they appeared to match the sets of rules that any seat of academia worthy of its reputation would wish to retain, improve.upon, and want all of us to know about when looking for somewhere to improve ourselves.

Now it is all about business models and what the punters really want. Professor Eric Laithwaite once made a documentary about the changes happening in academic policy that disturbed him greatly.

At the end of the day, however, it is all about our individual consciences and how important our personal responsibility to society is. The woke don’t appear to care about integrity at all, and have little or no individuality but have lashings of self importance and mercenary ways..

Rick C
Reply to  The Expulsive
June 14, 2024 2:16 pm

There is a reason design engineers are required to be licensed and post-modernists aren’t allowed to design bridges, dams, buildings or critical infrastructure. Sadly, it does seem that they’ve found a way to involve themselves in our energy systems. When politicians ignore competent engineers seriously bad consequences will follow.

Reply to  Rick C
June 14, 2024 2:54 pm

post-modernists aren’t allowed to design bridges, dams, buildings or critical infrastructure.

Post-modernist engineering (hoping the image renders!):

http://patternsofchaos.net/brij.png

Apparently not. I have no idea how to add an image here like so many do with their charts…

Reply to  Tony_G
June 14, 2024 9:06 pm

Very apt, though. 🙂

To add an image from your computer, click on the “hill” icon at the bottom right of the post window.. then just find the image you want.. certain formats won’t post , by png, jpg etc should be ok.

brij
Reply to  bnice2000
June 15, 2024 1:05 pm

Thanks for posting the actual image!

Unfortunately, for some reason I don’t have that icon 🙁
But I remember seeing it in the past.

Reply to  Rick C
June 14, 2024 3:29 pm

I recall a story- that in some ancient civilizations- if an architect/builder built an arch- he’d have to stand under it as the lintel was installed- so if it failed, he’d be the first to know.

Rick C
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
June 14, 2024 5:06 pm

One of many requirements in the Code of Hammurabi (1755 BCE) from Babylon. The oldest written set of laws included the first building code. Any builder whose work failed and killed the occupant was sentenced to death.

Reply to  Rick C
June 15, 2024 3:17 am

Most ancient construction would still be in great condition if it wasn’t for waves of invaders destroying everything.

One of my uncles was in Iran during WWII in the American army. He said he drove over a stone bridge with a plaque next to it that said it was built by Alexander the Great!

June 14, 2024 6:43 am

Postmodernists claimed that there were different ways of knowing,

and that science occupied a place no more important in its claims

to truths about the world as did, say, Aboriginal origin myths.

_____________________________________________________________

This quote came to mind:

        There are known knowns. 
        These are things we know that we know. 
        There are known unknowns. 
        That is to say, there are things that we know we don’t know. 
        But there are also unknown unknowns. 
        There are things we don’t know we don’t know. 
                                                                                Donald Rumsfeld

Reply to  Steve Case
June 14, 2024 8:08 am

Mark Twain also comes to mind:

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Reply to  Ron Clutz
June 14, 2024 10:24 am

“If you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed.  
If you read the newspaper, you’re misinformed.”
                                                              Mark Twain

Reply to  Steve Case
June 15, 2024 12:21 pm

Not a supporter of Rumsfeld’s politics at all, but this quote was absolutely correct.

He’s talking about what we don’t know, not what we can workably trust.
It’s a different thing.

And Donald Rumsfeld gave the best description of the problem that mankind has yet spoken.

June 14, 2024 7:03 am

I try not to stress too much about post-modernists, the way I am trying not to stress too much about the pair of flies that are zooming about my office as I write. I could get up and grab some fly spray but experience suggests that in a few minutes they’ll have gone so why bother?

Post-modern thinking confers no utility in the long run. I’m pretty sure it’ll fade away. The real ways of knowing about the real world won’t—won’t and more importantly, can’t.

Reply to  quelgeek
June 14, 2024 10:01 am

They’ll come for you, too, qg. Not with post-modern cant, but by accusing you of supporting the patriarchy in a field that is systemic in sexual harassment.

Also, they’ll say your claims of objective knowledge colonize indigenous knowing. And fact-based thinking is just a vehicle of white supremacy.

it won’t matter that the accusations are nonsense. Administrators and some faculty will surrender to it. And you’ll be on the hot seat.

All of STEM is under that attack.

Reply to  Pat Frank
June 14, 2024 10:50 am

Correct, as usual. For what it’s worth, the alumni publication put out by the engineering school of my university has largely been unreadable for most of this century. The only thing I’d add to your comment is that all of ‘modernism’, including the Enlightenment itself, is under attack.

Reply to  Pat Frank
June 14, 2024 3:47 pm

My school was calling alumni for donations and I asked if they did DEI. They didn’t say no so I told them to remove me from the donor list.

Reply to  mkelly
June 14, 2024 6:32 pm

You’ve joined a growing group.

June 14, 2024 7:06 am

Briggs, that’s a depressing assessment…you got anything upbeat?

Reply to  DMacKenzie
June 14, 2024 8:42 am

Yes, one day it will all unravel and the truth will out

michael hart
June 14, 2024 7:20 am

In my experience the real scientists spend most of their time actually doing it. The others like to spend a lot of time talking about it. Unfortunately, the latter group are very adept at co-opting the institutions for reasons other than a love of science, and extracting money at the same time.

On the slightly positive side, a lot of those publications (and grant monies) going towards “climate change” are just researchers changing the language of their grant applications to accommodate the latest fashion. They are not changing what they do very much. People researching the effects of climate change on coral reefs are still the same people who like to go sunbathing and scuba diving in tropical locations for the same reasons.

A similar thing happened, on a smaller scale, with the “nanotechnology” scam/bubble. Lots of material scientists/metallurgists/polymer chemists/physicists recognised there was easy money to be had by jumping on the Honey-I-shrunk-the-kids stories promulgated by Drexler and others. The “plenty of room at the bottom” thinking was, in reality, just Richard Feynman’s last joke.

Stan Brown
Reply to  michael hart
June 15, 2024 6:34 pm

I guess I have been taken in by the “nanotechnology” scam/bubble. Please explain to me
why it is a scam, in great detail, with links if possible. Yes, I am familiar with the K. Eric
Drexler – Richard Smalley debate a couple of decades ago, but I thought Drexler actually
won! I also read Richard Feynman’s excellent “plenty of room at the bottom”. I did not
realize he was joking. As it was published in 1959, it was hardly his last joke! Is there a
technical reason why it is impossible, that I do not know? If so, PLEASE inform me, and
many others. Thank you in advance.

hdhoese
June 14, 2024 7:27 am

In a blog discussion where the book “How to lie with statistics” was brought up this interesting statistician was mentioned. I have the related book “How to lie with maps.”
https://www.tylervigen.com

Cut and Paste is the villain. We all do it, some with not much caution. It’s not just climate science, new journals have been reproducing like rabbits, no offense to rabbits.

Ed Zuiderwijk
June 14, 2024 7:51 am

Hundreds of thousands papers, soon to be millions. Millions of sentences and billions upon billions of words. And nowhere in that sea of words, that whirlpool of phrases is to be found the answer to the only question that cuts wood: does it exist and if so what is the correct atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide at which the wellbeing of the planet and all that lives on it is optimal.

(For those who don’t get it: if either there is no such thing as the right concentration, or if there is such a thing but nobody knows what it is, then politics about atmospheric carbon dioxide content in whatever sense is utterly nonsensical).

Duane
June 14, 2024 8:14 am

Anything that gets in the way of an ideology, it either removes it or tries to convince everyone to ignore it. It’s repeated endlessly, and this has been going on for millennia, as long as humans banded together in groups of more than one. It’s human nature.

Science is not ideology – they are diametric opposites of each other, like black and white, or positive and negative.

But humans being human, and knowing on which side their bread is buttered, far too many are willing to combine and conflate these two opposites in the service of ideology.

On the matter of masks, it was obviously a political statement, not scientific. Everyone who has ever worked in either a medical or industrial environment where worker health and safety are important considerations knows and always has known that face masks are more than useless in blocking the transmission of any particulate substance to the lungs. By Federal law, in fact, per OSHA regulations, the only safe means of breathing in an atmosphere with known or probable contamination is a supplied air system, with no face masks, even the industrial style with air filters, being allowed for use.

Air filtration face masks with replaceable industrial air filters of the correct type, depending upon the source of contamination (and not N95 masks or those stupid cloth masks) are only allowable under OSHA rules in areas where there might be a slight possibility of breathing in particulate contaminants. N95s and cloth masks are never allowed in any industrial setting as a means of breathing protection.

Hence, we saw during the peak of the COVID epidemic video of health care workers in COVID wards wearing the required supplied air breathing apparatuses when in the patient rooms or wards.

But mask wearing became a cause, a means of identifying good guys from bad guys, or as the officials put it, smart guys and stupid guys, a badge of pride or shame, depending upon one’s ideology.

June 14, 2024 8:38 am

climate of fear 

Great book, should be on every school pupil’s reading list

Reply to  Redge
June 14, 2024 9:05 am

Yes. But I recommend this one if you really want to understand get to the roots of ‘post-modernism’:

https://www.stephenhicks.org/explaining-postmodernism/

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
June 14, 2024 12:33 pm

Its a book with some interesting and suggestive arguments. But be aware that Hicks is a serious admirer of Ayn Rand and Objectivism, and this colors his approach not only to post-modernism but to the Western philosophical tradition.

His main argument is that post-modernism developed in academic circles as a response to the political and economic failure of socialism in the last half of the twentieth century.

I think this is wrong, historically. Post Modernism is actually a progression of the doctrine of moral and epistemological relativism which had been developing for a long time before socialism was seriously tried, and which has its roots in philosphical skepticism. The question to ask about it is not so much why it became fashionable in academic circles, but why it has penetrated so much of our culture and institutions so that in many places it is part of the air breathed, something people are not even aware of as a specific thing. This is a symptom of deeper changes in society and culture.

As for Rand and Objectivism? Not even wrong is perhaps the kindest thing one can say about them both. And perhaps the best analysis of the underlying attitudes is to be found in Whittaker Chambers’ piece on her.

https://whittakerchambers.org/articles/nr/bigsister/https://whittakerchambers.org/articles/nr/bigsister/

As Chambers says:

From almost any page of Atlas Shrugged, a voice can be heard, from painful necessity, commanding: “To a gas chamber — go!” The same inflexibly self-righteous stance results, too (in the total absence of any saving humor), in odd extravagances of inflection and gesture — that Dollar Sign, for example. At first, we try to tell ourselves that these are just lapses, that this mind has, somehow, mislaid the discriminating knack that most of us pray will warn us in time of the difference between what is effective and firm, and what is wildly grotesque and excessive. Soon we suspect something worse. We suspect that this mind finds, precisely in extravagance, some exalting merit; feels a surging release of power and passion precisely in smashing up the house. A tornado might feel this way, or Carrie Nation.

If you want an explanation of what has gone so wrong as to produce Post Modernism in the first place, and to make it penetrate large tracts of Western Culture to the extent it has, you will not find it in Rand or Objectivism. Whose popularity in some sections of our society is as much a symptom of the problem as Post Modernism.

Where might you find an explanation? I suggest somewhere much more down to earth: the writings of Peter Turchin. But you’ll have to draw out the connections for yourself.

Reply to  michel
June 14, 2024 1:20 pm

I tried to read ‘Atlas Shrugged’ a million years ago but couldn’t get past the wooden characters and stilted prose with respect to either the ‘good’ or the ‘bad’ guys. If anything, I’d consider myself a Misesian.

As you say, ‘[i]t’s a book with some interesting and suggestive arguments’, the main one for me is that post-modernism just didn’t pop out of some faculty lounge during the ‘60s, but was simply an extension of a philosophical line that puts collectivism ahead of individualism.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
June 14, 2024 4:41 pm

I think Briggs is right – the attitudes which we summarize as Post Modern are widespread and have influenced, are influiencing, practice in science and public policy. Mostly without those influenced having any thought that the underlying approach is Post Modernism. It is like Romanticism, its become the air we breathe, it takes a major effort to distance oneself and see what is being taken for granted.

Take for example Corneille’s Le Cid. A pre-Romantic piece if ever there was one. A modern class reading this is totally baffled, how can anyone take these attitudes and dilemmas seriously? Why do not Chimene and Rodrigue simply leave this idiotic place with its hidebound and oppressive attitudes, pursue the only important thing, their love for each other, and go someplace where they can be fulfilled? Its at moments when such a question is naively asked without the questioner having any idea of the implications of asking it that one registers a change in a culture.

And he’s also right that this penetration of such attitudes, the ones we generally call post modern, is a very ominous development in Western culture and society.

Reply to  michel
June 14, 2024 1:52 pm

From almost any page of Atlas Shrugged, a voice can be heard, from painful necessity, commanding: “To a gas chamber — go!”

I suppose if you’re already hearing that voice, you might get that. I never got that any of the times I’ve read it. I tried reading how he got that impression and it seems to me to be totally subjective.

you will not find it in Rand or Objectivism

Without addressing that point at all, I must say that a lot of her essays (like can be found in For the New Intellectual) directly address the genesis of much of what we see in academia today, and rightly warns of its dangers.

June 14, 2024 9:00 am

A bit of a strange article. But anyway, you can’t say that ‘masks don’t work’. The right way is to say: ‘for virusses proper masks prevent transmission to a low degree and mostly due to stopping big droplets from a close distance. They won’t stop aerosols as those particles are too small for masks to stop’. That would be the scientific approach instead of the stated one by the author, one that you often encounter.

damp
Reply to  ballynally
June 14, 2024 9:50 am

Fauci said they don’t work. He also said that he is the science.

Denis
Reply to  damp
June 14, 2024 11:46 am

He did indeed say they don’t work, but that was before he said they did.

damp
Reply to  Denis
June 14, 2024 2:47 pm

Then he admitted he had lied, then denied having admitted it. But he is the science, we know that for sure.

Mr.
Reply to  damp
June 14, 2024 3:11 pm

Fauci also said the “vaccines” were ‘safe’ and ‘effective’.

As it’s now turning out, they were not ‘effective’ (don’t stop virus transmission or infection), and neither were they ‘safe’ (> 300,000 confirmed cases of mRNA vaccines causing deaths and permanent serious medical conditions).

Pfizer and Moderna both had stated in their applications for approval from the FDA that their “vaccines” do not stop transmission or infection, and also that they had not undergone human clinical trials.

Fauci knew all this before rolling out his COVID power trip.

We were all lab rats to Fauci et al in their wet-dream live human trials dictates.

Duane
Reply to  ballynally
June 14, 2024 11:26 am

Actually, they don’t work at all for protecting against particulates like virus particles.

COVID research indicated years ago that the typical sneeze of a person with a high load of virus releases approximately 200 million virus particles to the air around them. Research also determined that it only takes as little as a few dozen virus particles entering the lungs to cause an infection.

So do the math: even a N95 mask, which is far more protective than the typical cloth or fiber masks, by their name stop only 95% of particles in the ambient air from getting through, but that’s only if it’s properly worn, which wasn’t the case with most people. Meaning at least 5%of the virus particles get through the mask. 5% of 200 million is 10 million virus particles. 10 million >>> 5 dozen

After that was pointed out repeatedly by people who actually understand the science of breathing protection, then the maskers reverted to saying that the mask doesn’t protect yourself, it really protects others from your sneezing.

But the mask is a two way device, so whatever passes out is still 10 million particles whether in or out (probably much more than that because a vigorous sneeze is going to destroy the mask-face contact, meaning that most of the sneezed virus particles will completely bypass the N95 mask). Even if another nearby person is also wearing an N95 mask (that practically never occurred during the pandemic), 5% of 10 million is still half a million virus particles, and the last time I checked, half a million >>> 5 dozen.

So even in a perfect world where everyone wore N 95 masks and always wore them correctly (didn’t pull them down below their nose to breathe .. or below their mouth so they could talk without being muffled, or repeatedly touched their face and/or their mask), all face masks still fail. Which is why they are illegal for use in regulated industrial operations.

The reality is that the only reasonably effective means of avoiding COVID infections is to stay away from other people who might have an infection … either just staying home, or at the very least maintaining the theoretical minimum distance that virus particles will fly from a sneeze (6 feet was the recommendation), though I wouldn’t want to bet my life on the 6 ft rule.

Reply to  ballynally
June 14, 2024 3:38 pm

I have some N95P masks designed to stop aerosols. I’ve used when marking timber with paint. For years I marked trees with no mask- hate to think how much I breathed in. 3-4 years ago found out about these N95P masks- tried them and I could no longer smell the paint. Stopped most of it. Got them from some firm in CA.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
June 14, 2024 4:37 pm

I have N95 masks with “organic compound” filters that I use for processing my hot pepper candy. It certainly helps, mainly with the powders, but vaporized capsaicin at 300F still makes it through..

Reply to  Tony_G
June 15, 2024 3:12 am

Correction to what I said before- it’s called P95, sold by 3M. Very nasty paint smells cannot get through them- at least not noticeably.
https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/d/b00037891/

Not cheap, but worth it.

Reply to  ballynally
June 14, 2024 3:57 pm

Why should anyone swap 35+ words for 3 words. We are talking COVID so masks don’t work is fine.

Mr.
June 14, 2024 9:03 am

Just as with choices of investment advisors, these days we need to be selective about our choices of “scientists” to take heed of.

People such as Vaclav Smil can be relied upon for scientific findings that aren’t “nuanced” by concerns about conformity with “THE science”.

“I have never been wrong on these major energy and environmental issues because I have nothing to sell,” unlike many energy companies and politicians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaclav_Smil

There are many other “old-school” scientists like Smil whose approach to their vocation / discipline in scientific research stands in stark contrast to the likes of Michael Mann and the cabal of ClimateGate collusionists.

(and apparently I have just invented a new word – collusionist 🙂 )

June 14, 2024 9:05 am

A wholesale abandonment of objective science in favor of postmodernism is bound to have significant ramifications to society.

I would say we’re starting to see that, but it will get a lot worse.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Tony_G
June 14, 2024 11:39 pm

I’m afraid you are right. But there are countries where there is one group more rational than others: the military. I know the US army, hmm, but I believe that underneath the veneer of inclusiveness there is a cadre that is appalled by it. Not so in countries like France, Finland or Poland. As it is primarily the West that is affected by the mind disease, I expect when the economic fallout of the madness erodes the economies of such countries sufficiently the militaire will take power. After all their task is to fight enemies both foreign and domestic.

June 14, 2024 9:15 am

That argument would later become a woke one when it was said that Aboriginal origin myths are ackshually superior to claims of science because the Aborigines were Victims.

NB : Deciding that one “just knows” about other people’s motivations has no place in a genuine “scientific” debate.

“It doesn’t make any difference how beautiful your guess is. It doesn’t make any difference how smart you are, who made the guess, or what his name is. If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. That’s all there is to it.” — Richard Feynman.

It doesn’t matter why the “expert” in question made their particular “guess”. If it disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. That’s all there is to it.

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I actually have a lot of respect for the IPCC’s Working Group One (WG-I, “The Physical Science Basis”) assessment report … apart from the SPM.

The other two Working Groups, on the other hand ? Not so much …

AR6, Working Group Two (WG-II, Adaptation) report, section 1.1.4, “What is New in the History of Interdisciplinary Climate Change Assessment”, page 131 (as is, no highlighting added by me for once) :

First, this AR6 assessment has an increased focus on risk- and solutions-frameworks. The risk framing can move beyond the limits of single best estimates or most-likely outcomes and include high-consequence outcomes for which probabilities are low or in some cases unknown (Jones et al., 2014; Mach and Field, 2017). …

Second, emphases on social justice and different forms of expertise have emerged (Section 1.4.1.1, 17.5.2). As climate change impacts and implemented responses increasingly occur, there is heightened awareness of the ways that climate responses interact with issues of justice and social progress. In this report, there is expanded attention to inequity in climate vulnerability and responses, the role of power and participation in processes of implementation, unequal and differential impacts, and climate justice. The historic focus on scientific literature has also been increasingly accompanied by attention to and incorporation of Indigenous knowledge, local knowledge, and associated scholars (Section 1.3.2.3, Chapter 12).

Third, AR6 has a more extensive focus on the role of transformation in meeting societal goals (Section 1.5).

To support these three themes, this report assesses a literature with an increasing diversity of topics and geographical areas covered. The diversity is encompassed through sectoral and regional chapters (Chapters 2-15) as well as cross-chapter papers and boxes. The literature also increasingly evaluates the lived experiences of climate change—the physical changes underway, the impacts for people and ecosystems, the perceptions of the risks, and adaptation and mitigation responses planned and implemented. In particular, scientific capabilities to attribute individual extreme weather and climate events to greenhouse gas emissions have gone from hypothetical to standard and routine over the last three decades, and societal perceptions of these events and their impacts for people and ecosystems are now being studied as well (Figure 1.1; Cross-Working Group Box: ATTRIBUTION in Chapter 1; see synthesis in Chapter 16).

Note that the WG-III (Mitigation) report follows in the footsteps of the WG-II (Adaptation) report, not the WG-I (the actual Science) report.

The “scientific literature” is now part of the “historic” approach to the domain loosely labelled as “climate science”.

The “attention” of the IPCC, and therefore of the policymakers being guided by them, should now be “focused” on “Indigenous knowledge, local knowledge, and [ carefully selected ] associated scholars” instead.

June 14, 2024 9:24 am

They were right.

No, they weren’t. And aren’t.

Science remains as it always was, no matter that people who call themselves scientists count consensus as knowledge. Such people are not practicing science and in fact are not scientists.

We know that, because we all know what science is: falsifiable theory tested against replicable experiment/observation. Period.

Climatology has departed that fold. Nearly everyone here knows that in spades. Sociology has never attained it.

And let me add that to suppose science has become consensus because so-called self-styled scientists abuse the science label, is to fall into the same trap of definitional consensus as has inspired the head-post.

Post-modernists have never applied their logic to themselves. If all is text and has no objective meaning, then post-modern writings are just text and have no objective meaning. Therefore, post-modern pronouncements about science have no objective meaning.

Therefore, if post-modernism is right, it’s pronouncements are meaningless = wrong, And if it’s wrong it’s pronouncements are wrong. Such is the eminence of academic logic these days.

Thomas Kuhn opened the door for post-modern mis-pronouncements about science. His description of science is so inadequate that Newton’s work cannot be distinguished from that of Thomas Aquinas.

Kuhn was wrong, but he did the damage that post-modernists have used to their advantage. They cite Kuhn and dismiss Popper. Because their thinking(sic) never rises above tendentious.

David Wojick
Reply to  Pat Frank
June 14, 2024 2:00 pm

As a Kuhnian I have to disagree, nor do I understand your strange criticism. Re Popper the job of science is to try to explain how things work. Refutation plays a role but we still accumulate lots of knowledge.

Reply to  David Wojick
June 14, 2024 3:25 pm

Kuhn’s definition of paradigm as, “universally recognized scientific achievements” centers on “universally recognized,” which is no more than a consensus. He completely sidesteps methodology.

The Internet Encyclopedia of Philosophy describes Newtonian Mechanics as a Kuhnian paradigm that allowed puzzle-solving. Successes are described, but no mention of mortal test against observables. The Positivist fallacy is implicit in that description.

But apart from that, proposing a scientific a paradigm as a scheme for problem setting and solving is unable to exclude Aquinas. Thomism is a modus for problem recognition and solving. Thomism is thus a scientific paradigm in Kuhn’s purview.

The IEP article on Kuhn shows him to make obvious mistakes, such as “Normal science, according to Kuhn, is puzzle-solving activity, and its practitioners are puzzle solvers and not paradigm testers.

Speaking as an experimental chemist of long-standing, and knowing many other experimental physical scientists, Kuhn’s description is plain wrong.

Popper came to his falsification idea by way of Einstein noting that if the red shift did not exist, then general relativity would be untenable. Deduction, predictive criterion for falsification. That is, Popper’s view is based upon his observation of science actually being done.

Science is knowledge for its own sake.

‘Trying to explain how things work’ is no definition of science. ‘God did it’ explains how things work for some. Your definition is infinitely malleable and fits any ideology.

corky
June 14, 2024 9:40 am

Emotion rules belief. The logic that makes us human is slow and so easily overwhelmed. Most of us need awareness and determination to engage logic, the basis of critical thinking. Without it we act little better than animals. Those smartphones are pumping information so fast at us that our logic has not a hope.

David Wojick
Reply to  corky
June 14, 2024 2:03 pm

I have found that people do an amazing amount of good complex reasoning.

damp
June 14, 2024 9:46 am

There’s no need to change the spelling of “hysterical” in order to feminize it. The word’s origins are based on a uniquely female phenomenon. https://www.etymonline.com/search?q=hysterical

June 14, 2024 10:53 am

I just figured out why the Texas A&M University version of cold fusion cannot work. Said version relies on a philosopher’s stone of sorts to convert hydrogen into helium. If a sufficient amount of heat were produced to generate a commercial level of electricity, then said “stone” would either melt, or the energy output would repel the hydrogen fuel.

Scarecrow Repair
June 14, 2024 11:24 am

You get more of what you subsidize. Subsidize students, and you get more students, all from the margin, who should be doing something productive instead of wasting four years borrowing student debt which the politicians later try to palm off on taxpayers.

University bureaucracies created marginal fields with marginal fields to make sure all those new marginal students had some way to stick around for four years to get that sheepskin with those magic words certifying the ability to persevere through four years of nonsense.

Government bureaucracies … and so on.

Tern11
June 14, 2024 11:28 am

Slightly off topic, but does the phrase: “the king’s daughter whose virtue had been called into question” refer to some anecdote or story? 

Denis
June 14, 2024 11:37 am

Since it has not yet been proven, I suppose “quantum gravity is a social and linguistic construct” as is any unproven science theory. So what?

Richard Greene
June 14, 2024 11:51 am

Postmodern is a word used by a Ph.D. to sound smart

Governments get the scientists the pay for

Scientists and other workers do what they have to do to please their bosses

That’s true in corporations and small businesses too.

Governments pay for scary climate predictions to create fear

So that’s wat they get

Never mind that scary climate predictions, consistently wrong, are not real science.

People in fear demand that their governments “do something”

And that is the justification for leftist fascism
— Based on the fake CO2 boogeyman
— With scientists and climate confuser games used as props

The chart of the rising number of climate papers shows what governments are paying for, but does nothing to refute any claims in any paper.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Richard Greene
June 14, 2024 1:00 pm

“The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.”
― H.L. Mencken, In Defense of Women

Richard Greene
Reply to  Dave Fair
June 15, 2024 2:54 am

I revised that billiant thought for my blog’s home page

The Honest Climate Science and Energy Blog

Climate change + Nut Zero = Leftist Fascism.

Leftists gain power by keeping people alarmed, and demanding to be led to safety, by scaring them with a series of imaginary boogeymen. Including CO2, Big Oil, Donald Trump, Russians and rural white Americans.

There is no climate crisis or any need for Nut Zero (energy mandates, subsidies and tax credits).

Editor: Richard Greene (BS, MBA). This January 25, 2023 blog replaced a similar blog with over 602,000 page views.

June 14, 2024 12:35 pm

Robert Heinlein nailed this some years ago:

Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded–here and there, now and then–are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all right-thinking people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as “bad luck.” 

But who in generation Z ever heard of Robert Heinlein?

Reply to  Cyan
June 14, 2024 1:19 pm

The Pareto distribution says that the square root of the number of employees do 50% of the work. They are probably Heinlein’s small minority.

He described every Muslim society, by the way. Typically, when Islam has taken over — such as in what is now Syria and Iraq — the new religious state lives off the prosperity created by the original Christian and Jewish inhabitants (or Hindus in what was northern India).

Eventually, though, religious oppression either drives these people away or forces their conversion. Creative thought is treated as heresy, Christians and Jews are humiliated and disallowed from accumulating wealth through productive effort, and the once competent population declines into Islam-imposed ignorance.

After a century or three, the prosperity is gone and everyone lives in poverty, except the emirs and princelings who abscond wealth from the poor and can lead acquisitive jihad raids against the surrounding states.

Reply to  Pat Frank
June 14, 2024 9:16 pm

Typically, when Islam has taken over — such as in what is now Syria and Iraq”

UK is probably not far behind !!

Reply to  Pat Frank
June 14, 2024 9:41 pm

Socialism, should it be our fate, won’t take anywhere near ‘a century or three’ to impoverish the West.

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