Climate Change Weekly #503: Official Temperature Data Isn’t ‘Data’ At All

From Heartland Daily News

H. Sterling Burnett

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Official Temperature Data Isn’t ‘Data’ At All

Even before our first surface stations report in 2009, The Heartland Institute led the way in reporting on problems with the surface temperature record.

We have highlighted how the surface station record did not correspond to the temperatures recorded by global satellites and weather balloons, two alternative temperature data sources whose data sets closely track each other. Heartland has repeatedly exposed instances in both the United States and abroad where official agencies tamper with past temperature data at pristine stations, adjusting it to appear cooler than what was actually recorded, while adjusting recent temperatures upward. We were all over the adjustments made by corrupt NOAA scientists in 2015 before the Paris climate treaty negotiations—mixing data from unbiased ocean buoys with heat-biased temperature measurements taken from ships’ engine water intake inlets, which made it appear the ocean was suddenly warming faster than before.

Also, first, foremost, and most forcefully, we independently documented the serious problems with the official surface temperature record arising from the fact that the vast majority of temperature stations are poorly sited. Stations fail NOAA’s own standards for quality, unbiased stations in reporting temperatures skewed by the Urban Heat Island (UHI) effect.

My colleague, award-winning meteorologist Anthony Watts, in 2009, and then again, as a follow-up, in 2022, detailed with station location data and photographic evidence the problematic surfaces stations. Stations providing official data that were sited in locations where surrounding surfaces, structures, and equipment radiated stored heat or emitted heat directly biasing or driving the recorded temperatures higher than were recorded at stations in the same region, uncompromised by the well-known UHI (that is widely ignored by alarmists and official government agencies).

Of the sampling of hundreds of stations across the country Watts and his volunteer team documented in 2009, Watts wrote:

We found stations located next to the exhaust fans of air conditioning units, surrounded by asphalt parking lots and roads, on blistering-hot rooftops, and near sidewalks and buildings that absorb and radiate heat. We found 68 stations located at wastewater treatment plants, where the process of waste digestion causes temperatures to be higher than in surrounding areas.

In fact, we found that 89 percent of the stations—nearly 9 of every 10—fail to meet the National Weather Service’s own siting requirements …

The media and the government took notice of Watts findings, the latter producing official responses which admitted the problem, while claiming the temperature record, despite the gross violation of established rules for sound temperature data collection, was still valid and reliable.

Even while claiming “no harm, no foul,” the government shuttered some of the most egregiously sited stations highlighted in Watts’ report, and established an alternative temperature network, consisting only of unbiased stations, the U.S. Climate Reference Network (USCRN), consisting of new stations with state-of-the-art equipment sited in locations unlikely to ever be impacted by the UHI. The temperature data set from the USCRN, for anyone who cares, displays about half the warming and a slower rate of warming than the broader U.S. Historical Climate Network (USHCN) used by the government in its official reports claiming unprecedented warming. In fact, the data from the relatively few well-sited, unbiased USHCN stations, when compared to the network as a whole, also show half the warming reported by the government. The government has good data, it just doesn’t report or count it as official.

Simultaneously, the government added thousands of previously uncounted temperature stations maintained by various agencies and private parties to the official network—existing stations added without any quality control.

The result of the latter effort was predictably disastrous from the perspective of producing a high quality, trustworthy record of surface temperatures uninfluenced by the UHI. Watts’ follow-up report, based on an investigation conducted in 2022, found that the record was now even worse. Watts and his team of volunteers documented with location data and photographs a sample of 128 stations across 11 states. (I traveled to and documented five stations in North Central and East Texas myself.) They found, as reported in a summary of the study:

Of the 128 stations surveyed, only two were found to be Class 1 (best-sited) stations: Dubois, the Idaho Agricultural Experiment Farm, and the Louisiana Agricultural Experiment Farm. Just three stations were found to be Class 2 (acceptably sited), while the remaining 123 stations were found to be Class 3, 4, and 5, and therefore considered unacceptably sited.

“With a 96 percent warm-bias in U.S. temperature measurements, it is impossible to use any statistical methods to derive an accurate climate trend for the U.S.,” said Heartland Institute Senior Fellow Anthony Watts, the director of the study. “Data from the stations that have not been corrupted by faulty placement show a rate of warming in the United States reduced by almost half compared to all stations.”

Now, an investigative report by Katie Spence, a journalist at The Epoch Times, exposes an additional problem with the U.S. surface temperature record—a failing, if anything, even more egregious than the issues I’ve discussed so far: many “stations” allegedly “reporting” temperatures, don’t actually exist anymore, and haven’t for years. The government is just making up the data reported from many locations based on an averaging of temperatures recorded at other locations in the region. Describing the situation, The Epoch Times writes:

When recalling past temperatures to make comparisons to the present, and, more importantly, inform future climate policy, officials such as [United Nations secretary-general António] Guterres and President Biden rely in part on temperature readings from the United States Historical Climatology Network (USHCN).

The network was established to provide an “accurate, unbiased, up-to-date historical climate record for the United States,” NOAA states, and it has recorded more than 100 years of daily maximum and minimum temperatures from stations across the United States.

The problem, say experts, is that an increasing number of USHCN’s stations don’t exist anymore.

And it’s not just a few missing stations providing made-up numbers. said Lt. Col. John Shewchuk, a certified consulting meteorologist, who was interviewed by Spence for the story. He reported that:

USHCN stations reached a maximum of 1,218 stations in 1957, but after 1990 the number of active stations began declining due to aging equipment and personnel retirements.

NOAA still records data from these ghost stations by taking the temperature readings from surrounding stations, and recording their average for the ghost station, followed by an “E,” for estimate.

“NOAA fabricates temperature data for more than 30 percent of the 1,218 USHCN reporting stations that no longer exist,” [said Shewchuk.] “They are physically gone—but still report data—like magic, …”

With his hands-on experience tracking the surface stations, Watts was consulted for the report, as well. As The Epoch Times investigative journalists write, he told them:

The addition of the ghost station data means NOAA’s “monthly and yearly reports are not representative of reality,” said Anthony Watts, a meteorologist and senior fellow for environment and climate at the Heartland Institute.

“If this kind of process were used in a court of law, then the evidence would be thrown out as being polluted.”

Temperature data from compromised biased stations, temperatures reported from non- existent ghost locations, temperature data adjusted or homogenized to fit a narrative, and independent sources of data from the surface (USCRN), satellites, and weather balloons, that report much less warming than recorded at the compromised, adjusted, and now evidently non-existent stations: it leads one to question why anyone should trust the official government reports on rapidly rising, regularly record-setting temperatures. Such fake data wouldn’t stand up to scrutiny in a court of law. It surely shouldn’t be relied upon to drive public policies limiting the freedom of billions of people in their personal and economic lives.

Sources: The Epoch TimesThe Heartland InstituteThe Heartland Institute


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Human Impact on the Carbon Cycle Is Minimal

A recent study published in the journal Sci  discusses a series of studies that have concluded rising carbon dioxide levels are a response to warming, rather than the cause of it. The author of the paper then proceeds to confirm this with his own analysis.

Demetris Koutsoyiannis, professor emeritus in the Department of Water Resources and Environmental Engineering at the National Technical University of Athens, reviews the findings of a several recent studies published across multiple journals, including studies in which Koutsoyiannis was a co-author, which “questioned the conventional wisdom that increased atmospheric carbon dioxide concentration” is driving temperatures higher. The first papers in that series of studies undertook statistical analyses of the instrumental record over the past 70 years and concluded that changes in temperatures have preceded increases in atmospheric CO2 concentrations. The later studies analyzed the carbon cycle to confirm the conclusions of the earlier research, and also determined that “the natural [CO2] changes due to temperature rise in the last 65 years are far larger (by a factor > 3) than human emissions, while the latter are no larger than 4% of the total.”

The new paper examines specific types of stable carbon isotopes to determine how the signature of carbon dioxide isotopes emitted by humans have shifted over time, how they are mixing with other isotopes, and what their impact has been on the overall carbon cycle and temperatures. Koutsoyiannis’ isotopic analysis from four observation sites led him to conclude improved carbon uptake is not being accounted for in models claiming CO2 increases are driving temperature changes, and that:

the standard metric δ13C is consistent with an input isotopic signature that is stable over the entire period of observations (>40 years), i.e., not affected by increases in human CO2 emissions. In addition, proxy data covering the period after 1500 AD also show stable behavior. These findings confirm the major role of the biosphere in the carbon cycle and a non-discernible signature of humans.

Source: Sci


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Islands Still Growing in the Midst of Climate Change

New research confirms what previous research has shown, that, on average, island land mass has been expanding during the recent period of sea level rise, rather than islands sinking beneath the waves as climate scolds, and island governments (would-be recipients of reparations and climate mitigation funds), have been claiming.

The new paper, published in the International Journal of Digital Earth,  begins with the observation that “the field of island studies is often hampered by a lack of data and inconsistent methodologies, leading to an inadequate understanding of the processes driving shoreline changes on islands within the context of climate change.”

To remedy this gap in observational knowledge, the team of researchers, from various universities and research institutes in China, used remote-sensing data covering more than 13,000 islands in Southeast Asia, the Indian Ocean, and the Mediterranean Sea, from 1990 to 2020.

About 12 percent of the islands experienced significant or measurable shoreline shifts during the period, both erosion and expansion. Although the study found that land was lost during the 1990s, overall, during the 30-year period, the islands studied experienced a net increase of 157.21 km2.

Importantly, the research found that natural factors had “comparatively minor impact[s]” on the expansion or contraction of island shores and land mass as a whole. The dominant driver of the changes were human development activities, particularly reclamation and land filling.

Even ongoing sea level rise (whether natural or anthropogenic) proved to be at most “an exacerbating factor for coastal erosion rather than the primary cause.”

The study’s authors suggest that to maintain islands’ integrity and their inhabitants’ well-being, islands focus efforts on various types of adaptation measures to the myriad factors that contribute to shore erosion. Well-designed, constructed, and maintained sea walls are already proving valuable in this regard. Other adaptive options the authors suggest include, for example, maintaining existing wetlands, mangroves, seagrass beds, and coral reefs, and restoring those same features when they’ve been degraded or destroyed. In addition, developing sustainable freshwater infrastructure to avoid draining aquifers which can lead to subsidence, sink holes, and salt-water incursion.

Sources: Climate-Science PressInternational Journal of Digital Earth


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That is just one of many ocean mammals harassed and killed by these projects that will, at best, provide unreliable and expensive energy. Remember when “save the whales” was the cry of the environmentalists? Now they are fine with a spike in dead whales washing up on our Atlantic beaches as long as the “green energy” agenda continues apace.

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Nick Stokes
April 20, 2024 10:54 pm

“The temperature data set from the USCRN, for anyone who cares, displays about half the warming and a slower rate of warming than the broader U.S. Historical Climate Network (USHCN) used by the government in its official reports claiming unprecedented warming.”

For the umpteenth time, USHCN was replaced by ClimDiv over ten years ago (March 2014), which uses an even broader range of stations. And it gives very similar results to USCRN (as did USHCN):

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And, FWIW, the USCRN shows considerably more warming than than ClimDiv

0perator
Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 20, 2024 10:59 pm

So what?

Nick Stokes
Reply to  0perator
April 20, 2024 11:52 pm

Read again the quote from Heartland. It’s wrong in every aspect. Doesn’t matter?

0perator
Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2024 5:37 am

Your trendology doesn’t mean anything Nick.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  0perator
April 21, 2024 3:34 pm

Typical conversation here:
ClimDiv is warming twice as fast as USCRN!!
No, USCRN is warming faster than ClimDiv.
Why does that matter? Probably not statistically significant.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 20, 2024 11:06 pm

Trend 2005-2023 for USCRN is 0.27 C/decade
Trend 2005-2023 for ClimDiv is 0.34 C/decade

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 20, 2024 11:50 pm

Oops, other way around:
Trend 2005-2023 for USCRN is 0.34 C/decade
Trend 2005-2023 for ClimDiv is 0.27 C/decade

Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2024 3:21 am

First result on Google for “how fast is USA warming” my bold

Since 1901, the average surface temperature across the contiguous 48 states has risen at an average rate of 0.17°F per decade (see Figure 1). Average temperatures have risen more quickly since the late 1970s (0.32 to 0.55°F per decade since 1979). Nine of the top 10 warmest years on record for the contiguous 48 states have occurred since 1998, and 2012 and 2016 were the two warmest years on record.

https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-us-and-global-temperature

Why?

Reply to  Ben Vorlich
April 21, 2024 3:24 am

Oh it’s you Americans and Fahrenheit

Reply to  Ben Vorlich
April 21, 2024 1:23 pm

Ever read Fahrenheit 451?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit_451
(Bradbury didn’t envision the day when all current info would be digital.
No need to hunt down and burn books and the undesirable info in them.
Today, it only takes a few keystrokes.)

Animal Farm, 1984 and Fahrenheit 451 are the world we’re surrounded by.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2024 3:38 am

Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2024 4:21 am

This article on the subject of USCRN versus nClimDiv, from early 2023, by Zeke Hausfather, includes data through 2022

The most accurate record of US temperatures shows rapid warming (theclimatebrink.com)

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 4:59 am

Except the only warming in USCRN comes from the 2015/16 El Nino bulge, and the uptick at the 2023 El Nino

Until 2015 , there was no trend.

You want to use the 2015/2016 El Nino as a crutch, then since the start of 2015, even with the 2023 El Nino, all 3 of ClimDiv, USCRN and UAH-USA48 have been COOLING.

And of course ClimDiv and USCRN have been getting closer and closer together as they work on their urban “adjustments” to the junk data of ClimDiv.

Richard Greene
Reply to  bnice2000
April 21, 2024 8:47 am

Only an El Nino Nutter like you would cherry pick the extreme temperature peak of a strong El Nino heat release and then claim the temperature has cooled since the. You need to be sedated.

Di your precious El Ninos cause the 1940 to 1975 global cooling too?

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 1:06 pm

Loser.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2024 5:26 am

Oops, other way around:”

Truly, pathetic.

Richard Greene
Reply to  ATheoK
April 21, 2024 8:55 am

What is really pathetic is the childish response to Mr. Stokes for presenting accurate historical data that do not say what you wanted them to say. The downvotes and insults.

That is the behavior of immature children.

If you want to claim NOAA data are inaccurate, then a few reasons why would be welcome. They could be inaccurate.

Ignoring author Burnett who made a false claim about USCRN, and the false claim about USCRN on the home page of this website, should not be tolerated. Not if you care about science and accuracy.

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 1:10 pm

Wrong as usual… USHCN showed a stronger warming than USCRN, that is why they had to change to ClimDiv, which is controlled by USCRN.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2024 6:20 am

Indisputable, really. USCRN is warming faster, and the lead article is wrong. Nothing to get excited about here. It happens. Note it and move on.

Whether it matters, what its due to, these are separate issues.

Reply to  michel
April 21, 2024 1:10 pm

Article mentions USCHN , not ClimDiv.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2024 3:34 am

The trend differences are totally insignificant..

ClimDiv started a bit higher , and they have gradually adjusted their “matching”.

Poor Nick, I didn’t think you were stupid enough to be CONNED by their fabrication…

… but apparently you are.

trends-uscrn-etc
Reply to  bnice2000
April 21, 2024 5:20 am

Come on Nick.. you can see below that even fungal has finally figured out that ClimDiv is being adjusted using USCRN as a reference.

How does it “feel” to be even slower than fungal !!.. Pretty sad, hey !!!

Richard Greene
Reply to  bnice2000
April 21, 2024 8:59 am

BeNasty is slower than a sloth on a very hot day

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 1:11 pm

Poor RS.. even copies my charts nowadays.

Always a long way behind reality.

Richard Greene
Reply to  bnice2000
April 21, 2024 8:58 am

Your post is totally insignificant. You have no idea what NOAA did and are merely inventing a fairy tale based on no facts and no data.

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 1:12 pm

Sorry you are incapable of looking at the data and seeing for yourself.

You will figure it out , in a year or so…after you are shown often enough.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2024 3:36 am

Not only that, but the USA trend calculation rest solely on the bulge of the 2015/16 El Nino and the 2023 El Nino.

There is no evidence of any human causation in the very,very tiny calculated linear trends.

walterrh03
Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2024 12:52 am

0.07C is considerable?

Reply to  walterrh03
April 21, 2024 2:18 am

What is considerable is the fact that the article contains a flat-out falsehood.

They can do that here because they can be sure in the knowledge that none of you self-described ‘skeptics’ will ever take the trouble to check anything out at source for yourselves.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
April 21, 2024 3:30 am

You mindless climate scam supporters are SO THICK.

Yes, that is you, Nick, fungal.

ClimDiv is being deliberately matched to USCRN.

They CANNOT allow it to diverge, it would be the death of the scam.

You can’t even in your most fetid imaginings think that a load of GARBAGE sites could possibly give the essentially same results as pristine sites.

None of you are THAT DUMB !!.. So you know you are deliberately falling form the CON.

The difference between ClimDiv and USCRN tells the whole story, unless you are too mathematically and brain-washed blind to see it.

ClimDiv-minus-USCRN
Nick Stokes
Reply to  bnice2000
April 21, 2024 3:37 am

ClimDiv is being deliberately matched to USCRN.”

Lie!
And of course, not a shred of evidence or support.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2024 4:39 am

Your ignorance of probability and REALITY is legendary, Nick. !

If you can’t understand the implication of the graph above you are either mathematical illiterate or deliberately blind.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2024 9:12 am

Mr. Stokes
Don’t waste time arguing with El Nino Nutter, Volcano Nutter, There is no AGW Nutter, There is no Greenhouse Effect Nutter and champion Four Time Climate Nutter BeNasty.

Find an easier task, teaching a smarter pupil: Perhaps teaching your cat geometry?

Reply to  bnice2000
April 21, 2024 3:42 am

Nick never makes the claim that the two use different stations and/or different methodology. Why is that? If they use the same stations and/or methodologies then why would they be expected to be different?

Wrong + Wrong ≠ Right

Reply to  Tim Gorman
April 21, 2024 4:14 am

No one is disputing that ClimDiv uses a much larger number of stations or that the ClimDiv data are adjusted to account for things like UHI, etc.

The points being made are:

  1. The ‘pristine’ USCRN series is warming faster than the adjusted ClimDiv series over their joint period of measurement.
  2. The above article flat-out lies about that, claiming the opposite.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
April 21, 2024 4:43 am

Again, the statistical and mathematical ignorance shines through.

Absolutely ZERO rational thought or understanding of what they are fabricating.

Firstly, there is no statistical difference in the trends.

Secondly, the only possible way in which the matching can follow that curve is if it is being DELIBERATELY FABRICATED.

Refusing to see it, just because of some mindless brain-washed agenda say all you need to say about your lack of intelligence.

Reply to  bnice2000
April 21, 2024 10:57 am

Firstly, there is no statistical difference in the trends.

Nobody said there was. All I said is that the ‘pristine’ series is currently running warmer than the adjusted series. That is true.

The Heartland article says the opposite of this, which makes it a lie.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
April 21, 2024 4:50 am

“ClimDiv data are adjusted to account for things like UHI”

THANK YOU !

They use USCRN as a reference.

ClimDiv started a bit higher, and they have gradually honed-in their “urban heat ” adjustments so they more closely match each other.

That is the only reason USCRN calculates as a slight, but totally insignificant, higher trend

Finally you got it !!!

Took you long enough.!!

Well Done.

Reply to  bnice2000
April 21, 2024 10:59 am

So, the adjusted data are not warming as fast as the ‘pristine’ data.

What do you not understand about this?

Do you think that the adjustments are deliberately designed to reduce the warming trend in the real data?

Reply to  TheFinalNail
April 21, 2024 1:15 pm

You are still too thick to understand… even such a simple thing.

ClimDiv started higher, and they have gradually fixed their adjustments.

ClimDiv is a total fabrication , guided by USCRN.

Reply to  bnice2000
April 21, 2024 3:30 pm

ClimDiv started higher, and they have gradually fixed their adjustments.

No, we are talking about the trends here.

The statistical trends contained within the data for each set.

The so-called ‘pristine’ US data are warming faster than the adjusted data.

That’s completely against the narrative here on this site, which is probably why they never admit to it. To see this site facilitate outright lies about it is another thing though, and a new low, in my opinion.

One inference that can be made from all this is that the NOAA adjustments may be removing too much of the warming that is actually occurring in the US.

AlanJ
Reply to  TheFinalNail
April 22, 2024 6:14 am

I think you are both speaking different languages, here. It occurs to me that bnice is under the impression that the nClimDiv are adjusted once at the time of reporting and then that forms the historical data going forward, and each new observation is adjusted, just the once, and concatenated to this historic set. He doesn’t understand that the entire series is adjusted with the same algorithm at the same time. That’s why he thinks that by looking at the times series he can tell when the nClimDiv adjustments changed. That’s why he thinks his differences curve is important.

It’s quite silly, but that’s why he keeps talking past you.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
April 21, 2024 6:17 am

This is a pretty simple matter. I have not checked, but if it is true that USCRN is warming faster, the head post is simply wrong.

Whether they are lying, I have no idea, but assuming USCRN really is warming faster, they are wrong.

Its very simple to rebut this, if you can: just post the correct numbers with references and show that ClimDiv is in fact warming faster. I notice however that no-one has done this.

Reply to  michel
April 21, 2024 11:02 am

Its very simple to rebut this, if you can: just post the correct numbers with references and show that ClimDiv is in fact warming faster. I notice however that no-one has done this.

I did it earlier. It’s in one of the above posts, but if you’re really too lazy to check stuff before you make claims (a common feature among posters here) then be my guest… again.

Reply to  michel
April 21, 2024 1:16 pm

Post mentions USCHN not ClimDiv.

Try again.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  michel
April 21, 2024 2:11 pm

The NOAA page is here
You have to make some menu choices to get the plot I showed, which is the same as the one on the front page of WUWT (but WUWT rubbed out ClimDiv).
The numbers are shown below, and you can download in various formats. Here they are in csv format:
Date,ClimDiv,USCRN
2005,0.36,0.26
2006,0.97,0.82
2007,0.37,0.28
2008,-0.98,-1.08
2009,-0.89,-1.01
2010,-0.29,-0.40
2011,-0.09,-0.16
2012,2.01,1.99
2013,-0.85,-0.89
2014,-0.74,-0.68
2015,1.12,1.20
2016,1.64,1.70
2017,1.27,1.32
2018,0.24,0.41
2019,-0.60,-0.52
2020,1.09,1.14
2021,1.23,1.29
2022,0.11,0.16
2023,1.12,1.13

Nick Stokes
Reply to  michel
April 21, 2024 2:28 pm

I see that both Bnice(!) and Richard Greene have posted results essentially identical to mine.

Reply to  Tim Gorman
April 21, 2024 5:32 am

Wrong + Wrong ≠ Right”

Shouldn’t that be, “Wrong + Wronger ≠ Right”?

AlanJ
Reply to  Tim Gorman
April 22, 2024 6:09 am

They do use different stations – USCRN is a tailor built reference network with state of the art equipment. And it uses different methodologies to compile the climate index than does nClimDiv, because it needs no bias adjustment as the sites are pristine and the equipment extremely well maintained and monitored.

It’s very difficult to see a way to make headway against the flood of downright false information that you all post here. And since none of you ever cites any source or provides any evidence to substantiate any claim you make, trying to argue against the misinformation is just like fistfighting a downpour of pigs piss. It’s all intangible and fleeting, but torrential, and no matter what you wind up drenched in piss.

Reply to  AlanJ
April 22, 2024 3:47 pm

It’s very difficult to see a way to make headway against the flood of downright false information that you all post here. 

There’s no way to do it. People who self-identify as ‘skeptical’ here will never check a single claim, so long as it supports their preconceived opinion. Not that links are commonly provided, in most cases.)

They are as skeptical as kids in a candy store when it comes to claims that support their beliefs.

This particular article, where the Heartland crowd simply lie about reality and not one of the ‘skeptics’ objects, neatly sums this squalid and busted site up.

Reply to  AlanJ
April 23, 2024 5:48 am

because it needs no bias adjustment as the sites are pristine and the equipment extremely well maintained and monitored.”

I’ve given you this before but your memory seems to have a hole in it.

According to the USCRN Field Maintenance Document dated Nov 19, 2003, Appendix C: Scheduled (Annual) Maintenance Checklist there is no annual calibration of the field station for temperature using a recognized standard. In fact there is no mention whatsoever of calibrating the temperature measurement at all, only the rain gauge.

Thus there is no way to know if the station needs a bias adjustment or not. Without calibration there is no way to discern if a gradual change in readings is due to calibration drift or an actual climate change.

Once again, you are assuming something with absolutely no evidence to back up your assertion. The actual maintenance documentation is a solid refutation to your assertion.

AlanJ
Reply to  Tim Gorman
April 23, 2024 5:58 am

The stations are calibrated annually:

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The maintenance document you cite describes this as well:

“ATDD calibrates the temperature, wind speed, and solar radiation sensors against National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) traceable standards that are re-certified annually. ” (emphasis mine)

The actual maintenance documentation is a solid refutation to your assertion.

Only if you’re functionally illiterate.

Reply to  AlanJ
April 23, 2024 10:40 am

You are full of it. *I* can read just fine. The ACTUAL MAINTENANCE DOCUMENT includes *NOTHING* about calibrating the temperature sensor unit. *NOTHING*!

The *only* thing that actually gets calibrated annually is the rain gauge!

It simply doesn’t matter what the start of the document states. What matters is the field maintenance routine, WHICH MUST BE DATED AND SIGNED, includes. And it includes *NOTHING* about calibrating the temperature sensor unit.

I gave you the EXACT place to look. Appendix C. And apparently you couldn’t bother to even look at it!

AlanJ
Reply to  Tim Gorman
April 23, 2024 3:13 pm

I just quoted the section of the maintenance document stating explicitly that the temperature sensors are calibrated annually. I mean… I quoted the document you cited. I am not sure how much more deeply in denial a person can be before it is clinical, but you might want to talk to a professional about your condition.

Reply to  AlanJ
April 24, 2024 4:44 am

Read it again! The sensors are calibrated before installation to NIST standards that are recertified annually. The STANDARDS are recertified annually, not the measurement stations!

The only one in denial here is YOU! You refuse to read Appendix C of the document that specifies what it done annually. Temperature measurements are NOT calibrated annually.

AlanJ
Reply to  Tim Gorman
April 24, 2024 7:45 am

Appendix C is a field-maintenance checklist. The rain gauge is calibrated during field-maintenance because field-calibration is possible for these instruments. The temperature sensors must be calibrated in a laboratory.

This is the debilitating nature of your denial. You don’t care what is actually true, you care about curating information that allows you to sustain your denial, because your prejudices prevent you from contemplating a reality in which temperature sensors actually provide reliable measurements (so many of your dearly held misconceptions depend on this not being true). So you’ve found some maintenance checklist online, don’t really understand it or what it’s for, but it doesn’t have a checklist explicitly detailing temp sensor calibration, so you’re going to cling desperately to that absence of evidence as proof of absence, despite numerous statements from the NOAA explicitly stating that the instruments are calibrated annually.

Reply to  AlanJ
April 24, 2024 1:14 pm

No, it is YOU that doesn’t care one iota about what is actually true. I TOLD you that the field instruments are not calibrated for temperature as part of the annual maintenance routing AND YOU DENIED THAT WAS TRUE!

Now, here you are, admitting that it is the truth.

I curated NOTHING. I merely pointed you to the applicable documentation WHICH YOU OBVIOUSLY HAD NEVER READ. Thus your claim that the field instruments are always 100% accurate for temperature!

 So you’ve found some maintenance checklist online, don’t really understand it or what it’s for, but it doesn’t have a checklist explicitly detailing temp sensor calibration”

I worked for 30 years in the telephone industry, for many of them supervising a central office maintenance crew. You would simply not believe the amount of routine maintenance documentation and procedures involved in such an endeavor. Daily, Weekly, Monthly, Annual routine maintenance procedures, each with a checklist and an explanation of what was to be tested and what the allowable tolerances were. Right down to specifying the test instrumentation to be used by model number.

If the maintenance documentation doesn’t tell the technician to calibrate the temperature readings IT WON’T GET DONE! The tech will have no way to do such calibration since they won’t have the proper instrumentation or protocols available.

“despite numerous statements from the NOAA explicitly stating that the instruments are calibrated annually.”

You can’t admit that you were wrong and that you can’t even read. What gets recertified annually are the STANDARDS used for calibrating, not the field instruments themselves. I assure you that NOAA doesn’t have a fleet of mobile, laboratory-grade, setups going around the nation and re-calibrating all CRN field instruments each year. The documentation simply doesn’t support that so it’s a sure bet the budget for NOAA won’t either.

You can whine all you want about someone showing you that your assertion was wrong from the beginning but it won’t change reality in any way.

Whine away!

AlanJ
Reply to  Tim Gorman
April 25, 2024 6:00 am

AND YOU DENIED THAT WAS TRUE!

Because it’s not true, as noted on the USCRN website. And not only are the instruments calibrated annually, but each station is equipped with three independent temperature sensors, providing triple redundancy, and all three provide real-time reporting, which is monitored and archived continually, and any indication of one of the sensors going out of calibration is addressed within days:

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/crn/instruments.html

Again, your sole piece of “evidence” is some field-maintenance checklist you found online, no indication of the context in which this checklist is used, or any indication whatsoever that it is the only documentation used by technicians servicing these stations, it just happens to be one you found. And the manual does not say the stations are not calibrated it simply… doesn’t deal with calibration. This is one of the dumbest discussions I’ve had to endure with you, and you’ve put me through a lot of dumb discussions, Tim.

Reply to  AlanJ
April 25, 2024 10:17 am

Why do you keep denying that Appx C, the annual maintenance instructions, has NOTHING about calibrating the temperature part of the measurement station?

I’ve taken the time to type in all the entries in Appx C, line numbers are mine and don’t appear in the document. Tell us which line number specifies verifying the calibration of the temperature measurements from the station.

Appendix C Scheduled (AnnuL) Maintenance Checklist

1-Inform site host of visit
2-Gather components (see USCRN Annual Site Visit Components Checklist)
3-Ship appropriate items
4-Note shipment(s) tracking numbers
5-Visually inspect site and note any abnormalities on Sit Visit Accountability Sheet
6-Retrieve data from data logger
7-Retrieve program from data logger
8-Note serial numbers of current equipment on USCRN Site Info & Instrument Coeff History Record)
9-Complete USCRN Site Visit Data Verification
10-Take pictures as needed (See Photographical Docmumentaiton Checklist for USCRN site)
11-empty rain gauge
12-Exchange appropriate sensors/components
13-check wiring inside Geonor, secure wires and verify nothing touching bucket
14-calibrate rain gauge
15-add appropriate mixture to rain gauge
16-verify height of aspriate shield is 1.5m
17-all fans running with no noise
18-check flow rates of aspirated sheilds, clean if needed
19-all mounts tight?
20-check all wiring connections, verify tightness
21-locks working properly, oil or replace if needed
22-replace any broken slats on SDFIR
23-relevel alter shield
24-check antenna connections
25-verify battery charger is set to correct temperature setting
26-verify door switch is working properly
27-complete USCRN Site Information & Instrument Coefficient History Record
28-program data logger
29-verify wiring matches wiring diagrams
30-complete USCRN Site Visit Data Verification
31-verify rain gauge heater works
32-Key in *0 on data logger keypad
33-verify holes duct sealed
34-lock datalogger box and battery box
35-Verify Transmission
36-ship appropriate items
37-Note FedEx tracking numbers
38-complete site visit accountability sheet
39-enter metadata into CRN sites database
40-archive files
— pictures
— program
— USCRN Site Inventory Record
— calibrations

Notes: ______________________________

AlanJ
Reply to  Tim Gorman
April 25, 2024 11:51 am

Why do you keep denying that Appx C, the annual maintenance instructions, has NOTHING about calibrating the temperature part of the measurement station?

Oh, that’s becaue I never said that it did. You’re making a non-sequitur, suggesting that if calibration of the instruments takes place, it must have a section in this particular appendix. Since that is simply not true, and never has be true, and never will be true, there is no need to argue the point. You’re just puffing hot air.

Reply to  AlanJ
April 25, 2024 1:01 pm

Do you think that ANYONE is buying your dancing act?

Give us a reference showing where calibration of the temperature sensing part of the CRN stations are calibrated annually.

If you can’t then you are just blowing it out your backside. The NOAA CRN Annual Maintenance Checklist *is* what is done annually unless you can give some kind of proof otherwise.

WHERE IS *YOUR* REFERENCE DOCUMENT????????

AlanJ
Reply to  Tim Gorman
April 25, 2024 5:32 pm

The primary purpose of the USCRN network is to monitor air temperature, precipitation, and soil moisture/soil temperature. In addition to these parameters, each station measures ground surface (IR) temperature, solar radiation, wind speed, relative humidity, wetness from precipitation, and several values that monitor the operating condition of the equipment. Some of the secondary parameters contribute to improving the confidence in the observational measurements, and provide insight into the reliability and performance of the primary sensors.

Highly accurate measurements and reliable reporting are critical. Station instruments are calibrated annually and maintenance includes routine replacement of aging sensors. The performance of each station’s measurements is monitored on a daily basis and problems are addressed as quickly as possible, typically within days. Each station transmits data hourly to a geostationary satellite. Within minutes of transmission, raw data and computed summary statistics are made available on the USCRN web site. This page describes the details of the data stream.

From here. I’m going to make the charitable assumption that you just have a lot of personal stuff going on at the moment that is preventing you from actually following the discussion. Maybe come back to it when you’re a bit more clear-headed.

Reply to  AlanJ
April 26, 2024 6:06 am

Your reference does *NOT* specify what is calibrated annually. The Field Site Maintenance Plan document *does*.

I gave you a COMPLETE list of what is done on an annual site maintenance. Yet you absolutely refuse to read the list or even to consult the maintenance plan.

In essence all you are doing is reciting religious dogma that you have faith is correct – no proof, just faith. The only person you are fooling is yourself!

AlanJ
Reply to  Tim Gorman
April 26, 2024 7:40 am

The document is a checklist used by technicians on-site, it is not a calibration log or reference. There is stuff done in the field, on-site during annual maintenance visits, and there is stuff done in a laboratory, as part of the annual upkeep of these stations. A technician in the field, working on-site, does not need a checklist for what is to be done in the laboratory while calibrating the instrument sensors. That is not useful information for that person to have on hand. You simply must stop obsessing over this single checklist, Tim, there are other things in the world.

Reply to  AlanJ
April 26, 2024 4:30 pm

there is stuff done in a laboratory, as part of the annual upkeep of these stations.”

So you think all the CRN measurement stations are sent back to the lab every year for recalibration? Do you have anything to document this? Because it is *NOT* done by the technician following the annual maintenance checklist!

You are a clown, nothing more.

Reply to  AlanJ
April 25, 2024 10:36 am

and any indication of one of the sensors going out of calibration is addressed within days:”

“ONE OF THE SENSORS” is the operative phrase. If the microclimate changes it will affect ALL of the sensors, not just one. So how do you identify a calibration change?

“Again, your sole piece of “evidence” is some field-maintenance checklist you found online, no indication of the context in which this checklist is used, or any indication whatsoever that it is the only documentation used by technicians servicing these stations, it just happens to be one you found.”

Here is the document number: NOAA-CRN/OSD-2003-0010R0UD0

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Prepared by: U.S. Department of Commerce National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service (NESDIS) 
————————-

You can whine all you want but you have not provided ANY reference document of any kind to back up your objection to the contents of this official NOAA document.

Bottom line? STOP WHINING! You got caught blowing it out your backside. That’s *YOUR* problem, not mine.

AlanJ
Reply to  Tim Gorman
April 25, 2024 11:54 am

“ONE OF THE SENSORS” is the operative phrase. If the microclimate changes it will affect ALL of the sensors, not just one. So how do you identify a calibration change?

A change in the site conditions is not a calibration issue. But real-time logging of the data will still alert operators to any sudden shifts in the values being reported.

Reply to  AlanJ
April 25, 2024 1:02 pm

Of course a change in site conditions is a calibration issue! And gradual shifts in calibration are *NOT* sudden!

Dance clown, DANCE!

AlanJ
Reply to  Tim Gorman
April 25, 2024 5:29 pm

The sensor is still reading the correct temperature of its surroundings if something about the site surrounding the station changes, it is not out of calibration. And if an actual shift in calibration is gradual, and somehow all three sensors shift out of calibration by the exact same amount, then the sensors are calibrated annually, so this is wholly irrelevant.

You perhaps never encountered thermometers in your work with telephones, but you’d do yourself a favor by learning a little about how they work.

Reply to  AlanJ
April 26, 2024 6:01 am

It is the measurement capability of the entire STATION that must be considered as far as calibration is concerned. That includes the microclimate. It’s why things compensation factors exist for things like wood or metal rulers. Their length changes based on the micro-climate they are used in.

Changes in the mciroclimate had better affect all of the sensors equally, if that doesn’t happen it is a poorly designed measurement device.

The impact of the microclimate can change over the year as things like trees grow leaves and lose leaves or the grass under the station changes color. It’s one reason why warm and cold temps have different variances. Yet climate science “averages” those temps as if they are all part of the same population with no attempt to account for the different variances in the data sets. And using anomalies doesn’t help. The anomalies inherit the variances of the absolute temps used to calculate them, therefore the anomalies in cold temps have a different variance than those in warmer temps. Yet climate science averages them all together with no attempt to weight them.

Even in the CRN station is located in a rural area with no surrounding buildings it is *still* subject to things changing like in nearby farm ground. Evapotranspiration and its cooling impact changes over time as crops grow and mature. If the station is downwind of a large soybean or corn field the temps the station reads will be impacted over time.

All of this adds to the measurement uncertainty of the measuring station. It’s why trying to identify differences in the hundredths digit of temperature is idiotic, it all gets covered up as part of the GREAT UNKNOWN.

It’s why your argument that CRN stations are 100% accurate and remain in calibration over time is unsupportable. You have to address the measurement uncertainty of the ENTIRE STATION AND ITS SURROUNDINGS, not just the little, bitty sensor itself!

I’ve *lived* outdoors for much of my life. I’ve camped out in sub-zero temps as a Boy Scout leader – for several days at a time. I’ve camped out in +100F temps for literally weeks at a time at the local Boy Scout reservation. I’ve collected 5min temp data since 2012 (actually 2002 when I retired but somewhere I lost the data for the first ten years).

I’ve encountered LOTS of thermometers during my 73 years on this earth, including in labs and in field instruments. None of them had zero measurement uncertainty in the thousandths digit (which is what would be required to accurately measure temps in the hundredths digit), not even in university physics and chemistry labs.

And you STILL haven’t provide one iota of documentation showing that CRN stations are calibrated for temps on an annual basis. It’s just another piece of religious dogma for you – one that you take on faith from a mis-reading of the CRN documentation.

” Nevertheless, ATDD calibrates the temperature, wind speed, and solar radiation sensors against National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) traceable standards that are re-certified annually.” (bolding mine, tpg)

It is the *standards” that are re-certified annually, not the actual measurement stations. But you can’t even admit that this is the case!

AlanJ
Reply to  Tim Gorman
April 26, 2024 7:26 am

It is the measurement capability of the entire STATION that must be considered as far as calibration is concerned. That includes the microclimate. It’s why things compensation factors exist for things like wood or metal rulers. Their length changes based on the micro-climate they are used in.

No, this is you trying to redefine what “calibration” means as a post-hoc justification for your inane position. Thermometer calibration means adjusting the sensor until its output aligns with a reference standard. If something in the nearby environment of the sensor causes the base temperature of the immediate environment to change, this does not mean the thermometer is no longer calibrated – it is still reading the correct temperature of its surroundings, the temperature of those surroundings have now changed. These devices are designed to provide extremely accurate and precise measurements under varying environmental conditions, not like a hardwood yardstick that might swell in high humidity.

There are environmental processes that can degrade the instrument calibration over time, but the instruments are… recalibrated annually. And the stations are extremely carefully maintained (see your maintenance checklist for starters). Making these non-issues.

The impact of the microclimate can change over the year as things like trees grow leaves and lose leaves or the grass under the station changes color.

Seasonal changes are part of the temperature profile of a region and are part of the thing being measured, not contamination.

It is the *standards” that are re-certified annually, not the actual measurement stations. But you can’t even admit that this is the case!

Again, I’ve never denied that this is the case. The reference standards are recertified annually to ensure that the instruments calibrated against them are calibrated against a good reference standard.

And you STILL haven’t provide one iota of documentation showing that CRN stations are calibrated for temps on an annual basis. It’s just another piece of religious dogma for you – one that you take on faith from a mis-reading of the CRN documentation.

The primary purpose of the USCRN network is to monitor air temperature, precipitation, and soil moisture/soil temperature. In addition to these parameters, each station measures ground surface (IR) temperature, solar radiation, wind speed, relative humidity, wetness from precipitation, and several values that monitor the operating condition of the equipment. Some of the secondary parameters contribute to improving the confidence in the observational measurements, and provide insight into the reliability and performance of the primary sensors.
Highly accurate measurements and reliable reporting are critical. Station instruments are calibrated annually and maintenance includes routine replacement of aging sensors. The performance of each station’s measurements is monitored on a daily basis and problems are addressed as quickly as possible, typically within days. Each station transmits data hourly to a geostationary satellite. Within minutes of transmission, raw data and computed summary statistics are made available on the USCRN web site. This page describes the details of the data stream.

Keep rereading this, Tim, focus on the part I’ve added emphasis to, eventually the words will start to make sense.

Reply to  AlanJ
April 26, 2024 4:27 pm

If something in the nearby environment of the sensor causes the base temperature of the immediate environment to change, this does not mean the thermometer is no longer calibrated – it is still reading the correct temperature of its surroundings, the temperature of those surroundings have now changed.”

And this allows UHI to masquerade as global warming!

The fix for this is to redo the siting of the measurement station, the fix is *NOT* assuming the change is due to climate change.

” but the instruments are… recalibrated annually. And the stations are extremely carefully maintained (see your maintenance checklist for starters). Making these non-issues.”

Again, the TEMPERATURE SENSORS are *NOT* recalibrated.

“Again, I’ve never denied that this is the case. The reference standards are recertified annually to ensure that the instruments calibrated against them are calibrated against a good reference standard.”

Stop dissembling! WHEN are the measurement stations calibrated for temperature? If they are not calibrated annually then they *will* exhibit systematic measurement uncertainty over time – they will not remain 100% accurate as you implied.

“Keep rereading this, Tim”

The ONLY piece of the instrument that is calibrate annually is the rain gauge. Why do you keep on refusing to read Appendix C of the documentation. I gave you the list of what is done for the annual maintenance. It does *NOT* include calibration of the temperature sensor.

You are only embarrassing yourself by continuing your refusal to read what is done during annual maintenance. Your credibility on the subject is all shot to hell!

Reply to  AlanJ
April 23, 2024 7:00 am

because it needs no bias adjustment as the sites are pristine and the equipment extremely well maintained and monitored.

No bias is kind of like everywhere or never or always. Perhaps a better statement is that they have less bias.

It is why uncertainty calculations are so very important. NOAA specifies that the resolution limit is 0.1°C and that the uncertainty is ±0.3°C. That means final values should never go beyond one decimal places and that the uncertainty in an average should take the increase in uncertainty into account.

Richard Greene
Reply to  bnice2000
April 21, 2024 9:09 am

Be Nasty “Mr Clueless” tells a fairy tale based on no facts and data, typical of an El Nino Nutter.

Here are all the possibilities.

How could BeNasty possibly know which are correct?

Answer: He has no idea

USCRN is inaccurate

USCRN is accurate

nClimDiv is inaccurate

nClimDiv is accurate

URCRN is used to adjust nClimDiv

URCRN not used to adjust nClimDiv

nClimDiv is used to adjust USCRN

nClimDiv is not used to adjust USCRN

Dave Fair
Reply to  Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 10:15 am

The only information I can gather here is that nClimDiv is adjusted by the government. Unknown is if USCRN is used in the adjustments or if the government is using some arcane algorithm(s). Either way, nClimDiv is not data and should not be used for scientific purposes.

The government’s refusal to use scientifically valid satellite and radiosonde data in their climate propaganda is telling. All observant adults have know for decades that government lies in all matters big and small; spin is the order of the day for politicians and bureaucrats.

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 1:19 pm

Yawn.. another baseless rant from RG .. who hasn’t got a mind capable of thinking before yabbering..

But it is funny to watch,. 🙂

Richard Greene
Reply to  TheFinalNail
April 21, 2024 4:28 am

There is no doubt that conservatives have plenty of climate myths and statements contradicted by data

But they can not top the leftist predictions of global warming doom, based no no data at all

When you combine the conservative myths with the mythical leftist predictions of climate doom, the subject of modern climate science becomes comparable to a lunatic asylum. We would be so much better off if we ignored the climate and got on with our lives.

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 5:01 am

we ignored the climate and got on with our lives.”

Then please go away and get on with your insignificant little life, RG,

You add nothing in the way of rational science anyway.

Richard Greene
Reply to  bnice2000
April 21, 2024 9:29 am

The sum total of BeNasty’s posts is a HUGE, tall, steaming pile of farm animal digestive waste products

I have the data

You have the claptrap, El Nino Nutter.

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 5:08 am

I can’t ignore the climate because it’s not warm enough for me here in Wokeachusetts. We’ve had a single day over 70F since last October. Yet, our idiotic state government, a feminocracy, screams every day that we’re having a climate emergency!

Richard Greene
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 21, 2024 9:38 am

You are a man with common sense

We also have an idiotic female state governor Gretchen Witless and even worse my CongressIdiot is Ratshita Tleib, who blames climate change on “The Jews” . She also blames too may road potholes on “The Jews”. High prices at the supermarke?: “The Jews”

Warm is good for humans and animals
Cold is bad

More CO2 is good for plants
Less CO2 is bad

Our Michigan winters are warmer with far less snow that the laste 1970s and early 1980s.

How anyone would consider warmer bad news escapes me.

The most post-1975 has been in colder nations / states in the colder months of the year. We’ve had several 70 degree days here in SE Michigan so far in April.

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  TheFinalNail
April 21, 2024 12:36 pm

The entire point of the article is that “…the source[s]…” can’t be trusted. How does referring back to those same “sources” prove (or disprove) anything?

Reply to  walterrh03
April 21, 2024 5:30 am

0.07C is considerable?”

Well below the measurement capabilities of 89% of the temperature stations. Especially those with infilled NOAA estimated temperatures and many other adjustments.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2024 3:25 am

Come off it Nick. even your tiny brain must realise that ClimDiv is being matched to USCRN.

It started a bit higher, and they have gradually honed-in their “matching” algorithm.

Don’t tell me you are SO DUMB to have fallen for their CON. !

Reply to  bnice2000
April 21, 2024 6:13 am

ClimDiv is being matched to USCRN

Evidence?

Richard Greene
Reply to  michel
April 21, 2024 9:46 am

There’s no evidence
BeNasty is shooting off his mouth again with no facts and no data, like a typical El Nin Nutter.

But the fact that USCRN and nClimDiv are so similar is VERY suspicious. Poor nClimDiv siting versus allegedly perfect siting for USCRN results in almost the same number?

I don’t believe that for a minute.

I don’t not trust ANY NOAA numbers. For all I know they could be pulling the US average temperature statistic out of a hat.

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 1:22 pm

But the fact that USCRN and nClimDiv are so similar is VERY suspicious. Poor nClimDiv siting versus allegedly perfect siting for USCRN results in almost the same number”

FINALLY you have the glimmerings of rational thought.

Now look at the difference graph, and engage the other brain cell.

Red94ViperRT10
Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2024 12:43 pm

Mr. Stokes, your argument is specious and pointless, and has been the typical tactic of Gang Green from the beginning, even before The Coming Ice Age™ turned into Gore-bull Warming™. When a Realist points out the data fabrication, the response is always “no harm no foul, nothing to see here”, when the fact(s) remain, there is NO evidence of Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Anything outside of computer games and the tiny little minds of permanent government career bureaucrats! Thus, the point also remains, this so-called evidence “…shouldn’t be relied upon to drive public policies limiting the freedom of billions of people in their personal and economic lives.”

Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 22, 2024 9:30 am

No uncertainty bars. Even the ventilated USCRN sensors suffer from self-heating, and have a ±0.1 C resolution limit.

But the data is the data, hey Nick?

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Pat Frank
April 22, 2024 1:08 pm

Well, take it up with WUWT. It features this plot on it’s front page.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 23, 2024 5:58 am

You didn’t address Pat’s points. Why not? Do you not have facts to rebut his assertion?

Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 4:05 am

H. Sterling Burnett has, in recent months, changed from the most reliable climate writer I knew of, to one whose articles I reject for my blog’s daily recommended reading list.

This article is rejected for the false statement below:

“The temperature data set from the USCRN, for anyone who cares, displays about half the warming and a slower rate of warming than the broader U.S. Historical Climate Network (USHCN) used by the government in its official reports claiming unprecedented warming. In fact,” H. Sterling Burnett

This is the opposite of the truth

NOAA’s USCRN reflects faster global warming than nClimDiv, (+0.34 degrees C. for USCRN versus +0.27 degrees C. for nClimDiv, both from 2005 through 2023). NClimDiv was the official US average used for the GAT since 2014.

Chart data is through 2022

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A more recent trend from, 2005 through early 2024, was +0.34 degrees C. per decade warming since 2005. That happens to be more than double the +0.15 degree C. GLOBAL warming from the latest UAH dataset. Meaning +0.34 is a big deal. USCRN for the US reflects a warming rate similar to the average CMIP6 model warming rate for “CAGW” global warming. So I guess we have had “CAGW” in the US since 2005 and no one noticed?

Here’s what this website claims about USCRN on the home page::

“The US Climate Reference Network record from 2005 shows no obvious warming during this period.” WUWT website home page

This is a deception

The warming trend is not obvious with two eyes looking at the chart but it is there, Is WUWT proud of this dishonesty?

The USCRN chart description at this website claims the +0.34 degree C. per decade warming rate of the USCRN is a flat trend. A serious error, because that rising trend is hard to see on th USCRN anomaly chart. I have mentioned this error two times before in comments and nothing changed.

I am tired of hearing conservatives criticizing USHRN or ClimDiv and then claiming USCRN is accurate.
That’s not logical

If you do not trust NOAA, and I do not, then you should not assume some of their numbers are accurate and other numbers are biased.

Either you trust the organization, or you don’t. I don’t.

Did NOAA improve the siting of the USHRN stations after the 2009 report? No. The siting appeared worse by 2016. So I do not trust NOAA. They do not even try to create the illusion of improving their science.

nClimDiv, according to NOAA

Altogether, nClimDiv incorporates data from more than 10,000 stations. These stations are spread among 357 climate divisions in the contiguous 48 states and Alaska.

The Honest Climate Science and Energy Blog

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 4:46 am

Again the mathematical joke that is RG

The only reason ClimDiv is close to USCNR is because they adjust the data to make it so.

Reply to  bnice2000
April 21, 2024 5:27 am

Even fungal finally figured that out.

Try to think for yourself RG, might an interesting new experience.

Richard Greene
Reply to  bnice2000
April 21, 2024 10:09 am

An interesting new experience would be reading a BeNasty post that made sense, was not data free speculation, and did not resulted in uncontrollable laughing. Then I would know you hired a ghostwriter.

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 1:24 pm

Still haven’t woken up.

Oh well. Your AGW-lukewarmer bias doesn’t allow you to see reality.

Reply to  bnice2000
April 21, 2024 6:22 am

The only reason ClimDiv is close to USCNR is because they adjust the data to make it so.

What is the evidence for this statement?

Reply to  michel
April 21, 2024 1:26 pm

Fungal figured it out.

With a bit of rational thought, my may also get there eventually.

They don’t call USCRN as “reference network” for nothing, you know. !!

They are doing exactly what the designed it for, using it as a reference to adjust the urban effects out of nClimDiv.

Richard Greene
Reply to  bnice2000
April 21, 2024 10:06 am

Meaningless data free speculation

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 1:27 pm

RG, thought free empty comment

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 5:09 am

“H. Sterling Burnett has, in recent months, changed from the most reliable climate writer I knew of, to one whose articles I reject for my blog’s daily recommended reading list.”

No doubt Sterling is crying about that every day. 🙂

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 21, 2024 5:35 am

Sure sounds like the aggressively pro climate scam rg is pushing for visits, clicks and needy attention.

Richard Greene
Reply to  ATheoK
April 21, 2024 10:27 am

I’m pro climate scam?

You are obviously not one of the over 755,000 page views of my climate and energy blog. Free, no ads, and no money for me.

99.9% of articles I recommend are by a conservative writer. Perhaps 0.1% are reasonable liberals like Michael Shellenberger, or authors whose politics are not obvious.

The quote below is on my blog home page: Does this sound leftists to you?

“Manmade CO2 emissions increased atmospheric CO2 +50% since 1850. Causing greening of our planet and warmer winters in the colder nations. Yet leftists claim CO2 is a boogeyman, used to justify Nut Zero … which seems like an engineering project but is really a political strategy for the Transition to Leftist Fascism. And it’s working.”

Editor: Richard Greene (BS, MBA)

This blog replaced a similar blog with over 585,000 page views. 170,292 more page views since January 25, 2023

I do not tolerate climate science errors and myths from conservatives because they are already too many errors and myths from leftists. If we tell leftists humans can not affect the climate, they will laugh us out of the room.

The climate in 100 years is going to be warmer, unless it is colder. That’s all we really know. All the other predictions are climate scaremongering for political power purposes.

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 1:28 pm

I do not tolerate climate science errors… blah, blah….”

Yet you make them ALL THE TIME!

Richard Greene
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
April 21, 2024 10:12 am

Actually I am sad.
Because I have recommended every Burnett article for many years with no exceptions. Now the only writer left with a perfect “batting average” is Mr. Watts.

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 21, 2024 8:32 am

Richard, does it make sense to you how the USCRN calculates “anomalies?” (Background | National Temperature Index | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI) (noaa.gov)) It is my understanding that they create anomalies by using “normals” from other surrounding stations. This makes no sense to me. I use the raw monthly station temperature data from the CRN and deseasonalize for analysis. While I haven’t checked every station, I have yet to find a station that shows a significant temperature trend. For example, here is a test of a linear trend for Yosemite.. X Variable 1 is the time trend. The estimated coefficient is .00049 with a t stat of .0059. There is no statistical significance. This isn’t surprising as the R2 is basically 0.

The CRN anomaly data, as presented by NOAA, is worthless.

SUMMARY OUTPUT Regression Statistics Multiple R 0.007005 R Square 4.91E-05 Adjusted R Square -0.00704 Standard Error 2.924719 Observations 143 ANOVA   df SS MS F Significance F Regression 1 0.059194 0.059194 0.00692 0.933821 Residual 141 1206.112 8.553984 Total 142 1206.171         Coefficients Standard Error t Stat P-value Lower 95% Upper 95% Lower 95.0% Upper 95.0% Intercept 0.028149 0.491731 0.057245 0.954431 -0.94397 1.000269 -0.94397 1.000269 X Variable 1 0.000493 0.005925 0.083187 0.933821 -0.01122 0.012206 -0.01122 0.012206

Richard Greene
Reply to  Nelson
April 21, 2024 10:37 am

Anomaly charts make tiny meaningless changes in absolute temperature look like huge mountains and valleys on a chart with a vertical range of 1.5 to 2 degrees C.

I have banned them from my blog.

Even the UAH anomaly chart

I do not trust any surface temperature numbers. I would not even believe the so called r a w numbers are really numbers with no adjustments

The ONLY climate that matters is the local climate where you live and work.

Richard Greene
Reply to  Nelson
April 21, 2024 10:40 am

Second attempt to post

Anomaly charts make tiny changes in absolute temperature look like huge mountains and valleys on a chart with a vertical range of 1.5 to 2 degrees C.

I have banned them from my blog.
Even the UAH anomaly chart

I do not trust any surface temperature numbers. I would not even believe the so called r a w numbers are really numbers with no adjustments

The ONLY climate that matters is the local climate where you live and work.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Nelson
April 21, 2024 2:19 pm

The estimated coefficient is .00049″

Looks like your units are C/month. Youshould state them. That would be 0.588 C/Century. Modest, but not nothing.

Reply to  Nick Stokes
April 21, 2024 4:25 pm

Nick, you must know some statistics. The time trend has no significance. You can not distinguish the coefficient on the time trend from zero. It makes no statistical sense to take a monthly insignificant trend and multiply it to get a 100-year number. This is why I spend so little time discussing the climate data. The sloppiness used in analyzing actual climate data is just an embarrassment.

Reply to  Nelson
April 22, 2024 4:12 pm

Monthly uncertainty from NIST’s Uncertainty Machine. For March 2022, Tmax

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u(y) = 16°F

Pffft. So much for 0.588 per century.

Reply to  Richard Greene
April 22, 2024 4:18 pm

The real issue is what is the baseline for those. If the baseline is 14C that’s pretty cold. At 16C, that would be much better. Can any of those tell you the baseline temperature they are structured on? A 2 degree rise from 14C would be a welcome increase!

April 21, 2024 2:15 pm

There seems to be a lot of back and forth about the sources of the temperature siting data.
The scare was based on flawed data way back when. (Acknowledged siting issues in the raw data from, what? 30? 40? 50? or more years ago?)
Are we to believe a computer program (AI or not) can divine what the actual values were back then!
Why do “climate scientist” insist we continue to spend trillions to “solve” an unproven “problem” based on faulty data? A non-problem?
It’s now political science supporting “The Cause”.

April 22, 2024 9:23 am

Even a perfectly sited station using a sensor in a naturally ventilated shield will not deliver an accurate air temperature.

This notion seems too radical for many to accept, but it is true nevertheless.

Reply to  Pat Frank
April 22, 2024 4:06 pm

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NOAA doesn’t even believe that you can get any kind of accurate temperature readings, even from ASOS.