Traffic Lights and Roundabouts

Why the Climate Models will never work

Mike Jonas

The climate models are among the most sophisticated computer models ever developed. Billions of dollars and countless man-hours have been spent on their development. The IPCC references about 70 computer models in its regular climate reports. So the idea that the models will never work may sound absurd. But it’s true, and this article shows why, and to do that it bypasses all the complexity and just goes to the heart of the matter – which is surprisingly simple.

I should point out that I am not the first person to say that the climate models will not work. Many people have done that, for example Robert L Bradley Jr wrote climate models can never work, published in AEIR (American Institute for Economic Research), but somehow the gatekeepers manage to prevent the message from getting through to the general public. The problem is that the proponents of the climate models can use climate’s complexities to obfuscate – for ever.

Cambridge Dictionary: Obfuscate – to make something less clear and harder to understand, especially intentionally.

So, how can I simplify the picture? Let’s start with the statement by the IPCC way back in 2001: “The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.“. If we could look at another coupled non-linear chaotic system, and understand how the structure used in the climate models could never work for that system, then maybe we could understand why the IPCC made that statement, and why the current set of climate models can never work.

Let’s look at road traffic.

A road traffic controller can tell pretty well how the next few minutes of traffic will go at a particular set of traffic lights or roundabout by seeing what traffic is on the approach roads. But to predict even the next few hours, they must know much more – will people be leaving work, is there a football match starting. Even to look a few hours ahead, knowledge of how many cars are currently on the roundabout a block away is already useless. Larger factors are at work.

What about the next few days – are roadworks scheduled, are school holidays starting. You can see that a model that starts with the amount of traffic on the road at this minute, and then works forward minute by minute calculating how the traffic changes, is a complete waste of time. Sure, you can feed in data about when people will leave work, when football matches are scheduled, when roadworks are scheduled, when the school holidays start, and your model may give some respectable answers. But the reality then is that all the minute-by-minute calculations are meaningless, what really matters is whether you get the bigger picture items right. And if you get the bigger picture items right, you can give a reasonable overall forecast of next month’s or next year’s traffic without going through all the intervening days minute by minute. In other words, in order to forecast next year’s traffic at Thanksgiving you won’t need to work out along the way how many cars will be on each road at 11:30am next Paddy’s Day.

Well, that’s what climate modellers need to understand. They march their models through time, typically twenty minutes at a time, using a single number for the climate equivalent of the speed of all traffic at a point in time between the set of traffic lights in the middle of town and the roundabout several blocks away on the edge of town, and think that they can produce an accurate forecast for the next few decades for the whole planet. (There’s a description here). Even if they had 10,000 numbers instead of a single number, it wouldn’t help. The reality is that they need to know what the sun will be doing over the next few decades, and the clouds, and the Pacific ocean, and so on, and then they will be able to give a reasonable climate forecast without a climate model, ie, without calculating what the temperature will be in the mid troposphere over a particular patch of the Atlantic next Wednesday at 3:20pm.

If they don’t know what the sun will be doing a few decades from now, and the clouds, and the Pacific ocean, and so on, then they can’t make a credible forecast, with or without a climate model. And I shouldn’t have to add that if they do know, then they don’t need a 20-minute climate model.

Postscript

I have kept the above article deliberately simple, so that it is easy to follow. It uses analogy, so it has limits, and given the complexity of Earth’s climate there are necessarily some gaps. In this postscript I will try to address some of those limits and fill in some of those gaps.

1. This article is loosely based on Edward Lorenz’s Chaos Theory. But you don’t need to understand chaos theory in order to understand this article. You just need to understand one fact that comes from Chaos Theory: In a chaotic system, a tiny error will relentlessly increase in size until it has completely swamped the predictions. See Explainer: what is Chaos Theory?

2. I used traffic flow as an analogy for climate, because it is easier to understand how to predict traffic – and how not to predict it. Traffic is a legitimate analogy, because both traffic and climate are chaotic systems. From Chaos Theory: “Chaotic behavior exists in many natural systems, including fluid flow, heartbeat irregularities, weather and climate. It also occurs spontaneously in some systems with artificial components, such as road traffic.“. Obviously the actual data and equations used for traffic are completely different to those for climate, but the basic principles of chaotic behaviour still apply. It is pointless for the climate models to look at the climate equivalent of traffic lights and roundabouts, ie. trying to compute climate on a micro scale (see 5. below).

3. One of the features of chaotic systems is that models can predict behaviour reasonably well for a short period, and then they rapidly deviate. From Butterfly effect: “complex systems, such as the weather, [are] difficult to predict past a certain time range (approximately a week in the case of weather) since it is impossible to measure the starting atmospheric conditions completely accurately.”. I would argue that a lot more than just accurate starting conditions are involved, because the predictions for the end of the first day are the starting conditions for the second day. In other words, even if you get your starting conditions absolutely perfectly, you will still be a long way out in the second week. There’s more at What is chaos? A complex systems scientist explains, eg. “A hallmark of chaotic systems is predictability in the short term that breaks down quickly over time, as in river rapids or ecosystems.“.

5. The statements I made about how climate modellers “march their models through time, typically twenty minutes at a time, using a single number for the climate equivalent of the speed of all traffic at a point in time between the set of traffic lights in the middle of town and the roundabout several blocks away on the edge of town” is correct. Climate models really do that. The way they operate was described in Climate Models: “Climate models are a mathematical representation of the climate. In order to be able to do this, the models divide the earth, ocean and atmosphere into a grid. The values of the predicted variables, such as surface pressure, wind, temperature, humidity and rainfall are calculated at each grid point over time, to predict their future values.“.

6. Some modellers claim that they have ‘moved on’ from the difficulties of chaos theory, and that certain factors like viscous effects would “tend to damp out small perturbations” – from Butterfly effect again. Well, until they can prove it by forecasting weather a month ahead, say, that to my mind is just magical thinking. Like the IPCC said: “The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.“, and the same applies to weather, where long-term is just a week.

7. There is even some argument about whether the climate is deterministic. Climate modellers are reportedly getting more confident that climate is deterministic, but don’t be fooled into thinking that means that their climate models can predict it. Edward Lorenz demonstrated that a deterministic system could be “observationally indistinguishable” from a non-deterministic one in terms of predictability. (That’s in Butterfly effect too). For example, the behaviour of a snooker ball is deterministic, but the outcome of the first stroke in a snooker game can’t be predicted. There’s a nice demo of the unpredictability of a deterministc system at demonstration of the butterfly effect.

Summary

In summary, a climate model that works in tiny time steps on a coarse grid can never work for more than a very short time. It can be useful for helping people to understand climate, but it is useless for predicting future climate. And it doesn’t matter how fine a grid is used, or how sophisticated the partial differential formulae are, or how carefully the boundary conditions and chaotic attractors are managed, etc, etc, it still can’t predict more than a short time ahead. Certainly, it might get lucky sometimes, but that’s not the same as being reliable. And even if all the models get their forecasts right for a short period, there is still no reason to suppose that they will continue to be right – remember, the nature of chaotic systems is that they are predictable only for a short time.

Coming back to the last paragraph of the body of this article, clearly what we need in order to be able to make reasonable predictions of climate is an understanding of the longer term factors like solar activity, ocean oscillations, clouds, storms, etc, and greenhouse gases too, of course. We still don’t know what the sun will do next, and we still don’t know how the sun affects our climate. We still don’t know exactly how all the other factors work and interact. And if we did know all of those things, we wouldn’t put them into a 20-minute model, we would say that in x decades time the sun would be doing this and the oceans and clouds and so on would be doing that, so the climate will be doing such-and-such. Approximately.

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Sparta Nova 4
March 27, 2024 7:59 am

The comparison to the traffic model does not include one serious risk factor. Climate models are “hindcast” as their validation mechanism. This is fundamentally curve fitting to a known data set. Would the traffic models hindcast to traffic data work any better and projecting future trends?

Simple answer: No.

Reply to  Sparta Nova 4
March 27, 2024 11:02 am

Yes, nice succinct expression of a critical problem.

Richard Greene
March 27, 2024 8:09 am

Models predict what they are programmed to predict

They are programmed to predict whatever the model owner(s) want predicted

The owners of the models present themselves as climate experts.

Studies of predictions in the past have shown that experts make MORE wrong predictions than the general public, and the batting average is very low for both groups.

Even a simple extrapolation of the past 30 to 50 year climate trend does a poor job predicting the climate trend for the next 30 to 50 years.

In fact, since 1900, more accurate predictions would have been the OPPOSITE of the prior 30 to 50 year trend.

Sort of a reversion to the mean prediction. That may not apply to the next 120 years, but it was an interesting pattern.

Never forget:
The global cooling predictions peaked in 1974 and then a global warming trend, still in progress, began in 1975.

Reply to  Richard Greene
March 29, 2024 6:41 pm

With “Climate” being only 30 years now, according to the World Meteorological Organization, it is always, like the weather, changing.

March 27, 2024 11:01 am

Excellent article. However one must consider a major factor. I spent the better part of my career in the semiconductor business where all products are initially designed with models. One thing we learned fast is that with the best of intentions models never work. The problem with climate modeling is, I don’t think they have the best intentions in the creation of their models. The biggest problem in creating a model is being able to estimate all the possible conditions that may occur, and in what order. Nobody can do that. Complex models only eventually work at least to a useful state after many iterations and comparisons with reality. After the reality is checked the models are then tweaked to agree with reality. Climate models, given the climate is defined as weather over a large number of years, have never been checked against reality, and cannot be. Ergo they don’t and can’t work. Models are generated by the SWAG and “whoops, shit ” approach. In the beginning of model creation all the engineers make some estimates and when one doesn’t know what a particular parameter is, the agreement is , “well let’s SWAG it.” then after the model is built and a product produced against the model, it’s tested and all the “whoops, shit” are found (hopefully), and the model is corrected. Then the process continues.

For those unfamiliar with the term, a SWAG is a Scientific Wild Ass Guess. I think the climatistas just use WAGs.

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Reply to  slowroll
March 27, 2024 1:01 pm

In my days in IT, we used cardboard programmers to locate bugs. A cardboard programmer is a programmer who volunteers to listen while the one with the bug explains what is going wrong. Often, the bug is found without the volunteer saying a word. ie,a cardboard model of a programmer would have worked just as well.

Reply to  Mike Jonas
March 27, 2024 3:45 pm

Funny how things change but still stay the same. I (and my son) know that as “rubber ducking” as in you can do the same thing with a rubber duck. I’ve never heard of “cardboard programmers”

It’s amazing how well it works, too.

Reply to  Mike Jonas
March 27, 2024 8:57 pm

Back in the day, we used walk-throughs to locate bugs. It’s amazing how a programmer trying to walk-through his (or her) code would discover several errors. Unfortunately, management usually cut short error detection because of the schedule. In many cases, the testing was outsourced to the users.

When I was a system analyst, there were several programmers who didn’t know how to test their code. The way you test code is to add instrumentation in the code so testing is possible. That instrumentation is usually left out.

Bob
March 27, 2024 1:51 pm

Very nice Mike.

“Climate models are a mathematical representation of the climate.”

This is what I have always thought but I am not as eloquent as you. Numbers and math are a wonderful thing, we can accomplish so much with them. They are not the only thing and can’t always give us the answers we need. Many times they can give us the answers we desire even if they aren’t exactly correct.

The CAGW crowd has been at it for decades and all they have given us is models and anecdotal evidence, it is time for them to move on and offer up some proper explanations of their hypothesis.

Edward Katz
March 27, 2024 2:10 pm

No one would be surprised if it were revealed that these climate modelers are being paid under the table by governments, environmental groups and companies who stand to benefit from pushing bad-case climate scenarios If it’s the governments that are responsible, it’s so that they can justify carbon taxes and subsidies for green products. If it’s the environmentalists, their motives would be to get more government handouts and more donations from the public .If it’s businesses, they’re looking for not only taxpayer-funded contributions but also a form of advertising for new green products. And let’s not for get the academics who are also looking for money to prolong their research, particularly when they haven’t been able to prove anything yet.

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Reply to  Edward Katz
March 27, 2024 4:58 pm

They are being paid over the table by governments. It’s called ‘grants’.

March 27, 2024 2:10 pm

The chaotic atmospheric components tend to mitigate the effects of the solar forcing. For example, during a low solar period in a UK summer, overly wet conditions could be relieved by a hot dry Saharan plume, or conversely a hot and dry high solar period could be relieved by a thundery breakdown.
Nature designs well.

But the changes in solar forcing are not chaotic as they are ordered by the planets and are predictable at any range. My solar based predictions for UK weather last summer were a hot dry June, a very wet July (deeper -NAO), a mixed August, and a heatwave in the first third of September. That kind of detail can be done decades ahead.

The next 1934-1949-1976-2003-2018 type heatwave is in 2045, and the next 1540-1757-1936-2006 type super-heatwave is in 2116.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQemMt_PNwwBKNOS7GSP7gbWDmcDBJ80UJzkqDIQ75_Sctjn89VoM5MIYHQWHkpn88cMQXkKjXznM-u/pub

Writing Observer
March 27, 2024 2:53 pm

I do have one problem with this analogy. What the road network in future decades will look like is 100% dependent on what humans do.

The climate in future decades has very little, if any, dependence on what humans do.

EDIT: That is “global” climate. Humans can have a rather large effect on very local climates – such as urban heat islands. But essentially nothing where humans are not (which is the vast majority of the globe).

March 27, 2024 4:25 pm

Roundabout’m, Roundem’
Confuse’m where they’re going .
Roundabout’m, Roundem’!
Confusem!

(I hate roundabouts. The directions say , “Turn right”.
How do you which is the right “turn right” in a circle if you missed the first right?
At a 4-way stop, “the first right turn” is pretty clear.

(Poor attempt at spoofing “Rawhide!”. My wife cut her finger and she needed my help more than I first realized.)

Reply to  Gunga Din
March 27, 2024 4:39 pm

My wife’s finger is fine.
My comment will remain un-fine.

Beta Blocker
March 28, 2024 9:52 am

The great nuclear scientist Enrico Fermi and 10,000 others said this: “We can predict almost everything, except the future.”

For purposes of public policy decision making, policy analysts must predict the future under conditions of uncertainty. It goes with the territory of being a policy analyst and cannot be avoided. 

More often than not, a small collection of simplified analysis assumptions better serves the needs of policy decision makers, as opposed to masses of highly detailed facts and information which, in the aggregate, only serve to obscure the fundamental truths of the policy issue debate. 

For purposes of public policy decision making concerning climate change, I make these assumptions about the earth’s climate system:

The earth’s climate system is a huge collection of mostly natural and some anthropogenic physical processes whose aggregate effects can be represented by the earth’s global mean temperature.The earth’s current global mean temperature represents the current state of the earth’s climate system.Trends in the global mean temperature record represent trends in the state of the earth’s climate system.    Today’s computer-driven climate models offer no better predictive ability that do simple visual analyses of obvious past and current GMT trends.
Once a year, usually in the spring, I post my graphical GMT prediction envelope, first presented here on WUWT in the spring of 2020. The prediction envelope embodies the above four assumptions.

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Based on my 2020 graphical analysis, my prediction is that global mean temperature in the year 2100 will be in the range of +0.3C to roughly +3C above 1850 pre-industrial, with the most probable outcome being +2C above pre-industrial by 2100. 

Four years on in the year 2024, GMT is staying well within the prediction envelope I produced in 2020. (After just four years, how could GMT not be staying well within my prediction envelope from 2020?)

What about the public policy decisions themselves concerning climate change?

Regardless of what actions western nations take in attempting to decarbonize their economies, the rest of the world will not decarbonize.Whether the rise in GMT by 2100 is +0.6C, or +2C, or +3C, the actual impacts of a probable rise in GMT are over-hyped and are largely uncertain in their actual long-term effects.If policy decision makers conclude that a steady rise in GMT represents a serious threat to mankind and to the earth’s environment, they have the option of funding solar geo-engineering through SRM, an approach which can quickly reduce GMT by 2C at a long-term cost which is far less than a futile attempt to decarbonize the world’s economy.
For those of you who say we can’t predict the future, and therefore shouldn’t try, my response is this:

If public policy decision makers ask you to predict the future, then step up to the plate and take your best shot at it. Document your analysis and your supportive material on the public record and you’ve then met your obligation to those in a position of public trust who asked you for your opinion.

Reply to  Beta Blocker
March 29, 2024 6:50 pm

Here is a forecast of the Sun’s output for the next 1,000 years.
‘Modern Grand Solar Minimum will lead to terrestrial cooling’ 
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1080/23328940.2020.1796243?needAccess=true

Beta Blocker
March 28, 2024 11:16 am

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