Check Your Facts, CNN, Human Emissions Aren’t Driving ‘Doomsday Glacier’ Decline

From ClimateREALISM

By H. Sterling Burnett

A CNN story implies that supposed human caused climate change is causing the Thwaites Glacier to melt, causing sea level rise. This is false. Data show that Antarctica has not been warming. Also, the study CNN cited, itself shows the glacier has declined dramatically and recovered repeatedly in the past, all without human contribution, suggesting the present decline is part of a natural cycle.

At approximately the size of Florida, the Thwaites glacier is the broadest glacier on Earth. The Thwaites glacier is often referred to as the “Doomsday Glacier,” based on the belief that a complete collapse would cause as much as two feet of sea level rise over time. The CNN story, “The ‘Doomsday Glacier’ is rapidly melting. Scientists now have evidence for when it started and why,” discusses a new study published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, which determined when the present decline began.

“By analyzing marine sediment cores extracted from beneath the ocean floor, researchers found the glacier began to significantly retreat in the 1940s, likely kicked off by a very strong El Niño event — a natural climate fluctuation which tends to have a warming impact,” reports CNN. “Since then, the glacier has been unable to recover, which may reflect the increasing impact of human-caused global warming, according to the report.”

Although the timing of commencement of Thwaites decline may now have been determined, any prognostications about future trends for the glacier are pure speculation, unsupported by historical evidence or data about present Antarctic trends.

The underlying reports determined that the Thwaites glacier’s decline commenced in the 1940s probably prompted by a powerful El Nino event which warmed the abutting waters. Even CNN  allows that El Niño’s are “a natural climate fluctuation which tends to have a warming impact.” Indeed, recent years when global average temperatures have spiked have almost all coincided with El Nino events.

To be clear, from the 1940s through the 1970s global average temperatures were cooling, and CO2 concentrations were significantly lower, although beginning to increase. What’s true for the globe as a whole, however, is not true for West Antarctica, where the Thwaites Glacier is located. Research from 2023 shows that temperatures there have fallen nearly two degrees Celsius over the past two decades, at least. Other research discussed at Climate Realism suggests that whatever impact the Twaits Glacier’s decline is having on sea level rise is being mitigated by an increase in snow and ice elsewhere on the continent.

Further evidence suggesting that anthropogenic climate change has nothing to do with the Thwaites Glacier’s recent melting trend is found in the study as well. Indeed, the study determined that the Thwaites Glacier has retreated and expanded multiple times over the millennia. As CNN writes, the researchers involved found that “similar retreats have happened much further back in the past, the ice sheet recovered and regrew . . . [with] James Smith, a marine geologist at the British Antarctic Survey and a study co-author, [telling CNN] ‘Once an ice sheet retreat is set in motion it can continue for decades, even if what started it gets no worse.’”

The researchers and CNN bemoan the fact that the Thwaites glacier’s decline is not reversing, but they themselves admit that such declines in gone on for decades in the ancient past, with no help from humans. And, the precipitating event, a strong El Nino, has been repeated multiple times since the 1940s, including this year, which would tend to keep conditions for melting in place.

In short, the idea that human carbon dioxide emissions are contributing to the Thwaites Glacier’s decline is pure speculation; speculation seemingly refuted by the significant decline in surface temperature where the glacier resides, and the net gain of ice and snow on Antarctica. The Thwaites Glacier is bucking climate trends in West Antarctica and for the continent as a whole, almost surely because of El Nino warmed waters.

Climate change is not causing the Thwaites Glacier’s decline. Even still it would be prudent to plan for higher sea levels, regardless of trends for the Thwaites Glacier, because they are rising, although not at a historically rapid rate. Seas always rise between ice ages, and history suggests that they will continue to rise, with fits and starts, until the next ice age commences.

H. Sterling Burnett

H. Sterling Burnett

H. Sterling Burnett, Ph.D., is the Director of the Arthur B. Robinson Center on Climate and Environmental Policy and the managing editor of Environment & Climate News. In addition to directing The Heartland Institute’s Arthur B. Robinson Center on Climate and Environmental Policy, Burett puts Environment & Climate News together, is the editor of Heartland’s Climate Change Weekly email, and the host of the Environment & Climate News Podcast.

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Scissor
March 7, 2024 6:20 pm

When sea level begins to fall, Florida will grow in area and population as coastline moves outward and northern folk seek refuge.

Reply to  Scissor
March 8, 2024 9:40 am

It’s all about the cycles (and I don’t mean the ones with wheels) – nature works on cycles; daily, seasonal, annual, enso cycles, glacial/interglacial cycles, these are all perfectly natural and known about. On the other hand, nature never uses perfectly straight lines – these simply never occur naturally, so any straight-line trend is usually an artefact of the trends creator, and bears no relation to what is actually happening in real life.

Editor
March 7, 2024 7:26 pm

A couple of points: 1. We are actually still on an ice age, the Quaternary. It’s warmer now than it was 20,000 years ago because we’re in an inter-glacial period, the Holocene, within the ice age. There have been many inter-glacial periods in the Quaternary. 2. The Holocene’s warmest period was about 8,000 years ago, and sea levels were higher then than tbey are now (in the previoys inter-glacial they wete about 6m (20ft) higher). The fall in temperature and sea level over the last 8,000 years has not been linear, but has had a warming-cooling cycle of about 1,000 years modifying the steady decline, with other shorter cycles and variations too. The 1,000 year cycle is currently in a warming phase which looks like it has about another century to go. No-one (least of all the climate models) knows whether the patterns will continue because no-one knows what causes them.

David A
Reply to  Mike Jonas
March 7, 2024 8:40 pm

Saved me some typing, thanks.

David A
Reply to  David A
March 7, 2024 8:43 pm

…althoug I am familiar with 2m higher, I have not read a study showing 6 m higher! And all done without human GHG emissions, remarkable. Kind of makes the current 1.5 or so mm rise per year mundane.

Chris Hanley
Reply to  David A
March 7, 2024 9:33 pm

The previous interglacial is known as the Eemian:
“Sea level at peak was probably 6 to 9 metres (20 to 30 feet) higher than today, with Greenland contributing 0.6 to 3.5 m (2.0 to 11.5 ft), thermal expansion and mountain glaciers contributing up to 1 m (3.3 ft), and an uncertain contribution from Antarctica” (Wiki).
Of course there are many factors other than GHGs affecting the climate at all timescales but it does not follow that the increasing concentration of CO2 is not one factor at present.

Duane
Reply to  Mike Jonas
March 8, 2024 3:34 am

Don’t confuse the media writers and the so called “climate scientists” with mere facts. You have to do much better than that!

pillageidiot
March 7, 2024 7:46 pm

Antarctic sea ice extent came off of the minimum a little early this year.

Don’t know what that means for ice formation for the next six months, but as of right now the ice is forming rapidly!

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Bob
March 7, 2024 7:54 pm

Very nice Sterling.

March 7, 2024 8:17 pm

Only two feet rise if it collapses? Pfft, I have a link to an article that says it’ll cause ten feet sea level rise! That’s what I call scary!
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/antarctica-doomsday-glacier-global-sea-levels-holding-on-by-fingernails/

Reply to  Chris Nisbet
March 8, 2024 9:42 am

10 ft is the precedind tidal wave, then you get the permanent slr!.

Chris Hanley
March 7, 2024 10:35 pm

An aspect the CNN report fails to mention is that the Thwaites ice sheet is already floating ice ” the thin crust beneath most of the West Antarctic ice sheet leads to a relatively high rate of exiting geothermal heat into the marine sediment and the bottom of the ice sheet. This heat produces water that makes the marine sediment soft and allows the ice to slide rapidly. The sliding ice is partially buttressed by the ice shelves, which are fed rapidly with ice upstream, but which also must contend with the warmth of waters circulating beneath” Link.
Perhaps to avert the catastrophic ice collapse and consequent sea level rise we all ought to start praying to Vulcan.

Reply to  Chris Hanley
March 8, 2024 9:46 am

Everything seaward beyond the groundline is floating, everything behind the groundline is supported by solid ground. I’m not sure how thick Thwaites glacier is, however, nor exactly where the groundline is – it could be some distance from the ‘shoreline’.

Denis
March 8, 2024 2:19 am

“Seas always rise between ice ages, and history suggests that they will continue to rise, with fits and starts, until the next ice age commences.”

“ …until the next ice age commences?” An ice age is a period of time when there is permanent ice on the Earth’s surface primarily around the poles. We are in an ice age now and have been for several million years. During this age there have been cyclic glacial ages where glaciers advance throughout the world and cover as much as half of the Earth’s surface and then after about 100,00 years retreat to where they are now. There have been about ten or more such cycles over the past million years. Prior to that time glacial ages advanced and retreated faster at a cycle time of about 40,000 years. Please stop conflating the two. They are very different things.

Ron Long
March 8, 2024 2:28 am

Thwaites Glacier is in trouble. It crosses the West Antarctica Rift System (an active chain of volcanoes), and has a complicated grounding versus floating environment at the sea discharge point. Clinging to Thwaites Glacier as the “Doomsday Glacier” for the CAGW poster child requires faith, not Science or Reality. For example, see: Geological Sketch Map and Implications for Ice Flow, Thwaites Glacier…, May, 2023, Jordan, TA, et al, in SCIENCE ADVANCES, vol.9, issue 22.

March 8, 2024 8:11 am

Mere mention of the “doomsday glacier” causes melting of donor bank accounts. Here’s a mere $50Bn fantasy.

https://www.businessinsider.com/antarctica-thwaites-doomsday-glacier-melting-collapse-flooding-curtains-2024-3

March 8, 2024 10:06 am

More Proof That Geologic Forces Are Melting Thwaites and Pine Island Glaciers

Written by James E. Kamis

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James Edward Kamis is a Geologist and AAPG member of 41 years and who has always been fascinated by the connection between Geology and Climate. Years of research and observation have convinced him that the Earth’s Heat Flow Engine, which drives the outer crustal plates, is also an important driver of the Earth’s climate.

He received a BS in Geology from Northern Illinois University in 1973 and an MS in Geology from Idaho State University in 1976.  

Reply to  Sunsettommy
March 8, 2024 2:56 pm

It can’t be just the volcanoes alone or the glaciers wouldn’t extend beyond them – they’d have melted back to a point before the hot area. I would have thought that, at least for most of the year, the freezing would cancel out the melting from the volcanoes.