They started out as predictions but when they failed, they became projections, really a change without distinction (what is a projection for!!!). But, yeah, the data adjusters also make word meanings malleable.
The Expulsive
March 4, 2024 6:22 am
It doesn’t matter. The average consumer only knows what they are told in the last news cycle. So if they are told it is the hottest year, they believe it; or they think there are things like snowmagedon and it has never snowed like that before; or that if you live in California it is either always mudslides, or fires and drought; or they think that there were record hurricanes or tornadoes; etc. Why worry about the historical record? If that were actually important then that would be explained at the time, wouldn’t it? Why would you think for yourself when there is someone on Ticktock to explain it for you?
I was as at the dealership service waiting for my car. TV news was playing. There was a story, reported from CA/NV, about a “massive” snow storm coming and all about the “extreme” weather. It showed footage from Truckee and Donner Pass area. Um, had the reporter ever heard of the Donner Party? They must have had that extreme weather in 1846 because of too much CO2 from all those covered wagons. Pfft!
“The wrong type of snow” is so famous in the UK that it has its own Wikipedia entry.
To be fair, I also recall once reading that when trying to exclude US ski manufacturers from the Japanese market, they claimed that Japanese snow was different from American snow.
Al Gore said that 10 feet of snow in Truckee/Donner pass was global warming/extreme
The Donner party had 26 FEET of snow
When I replied to Al Gore’s post that fact…..someone actual claimed I had made that up, There is a park at Donner Pass with a statue showing how high the snow was
In the world of ALGORE and his acolytes, aka “The Land of Make Believe,” historical reality and the truth have no bearing on the debate which is over.
Don’t go throwing mud on a good story. You will only make them mad and then they will run around throwing tantrums (not to mention, paint, soup, glue or any shit they can get their hands on (even their own) all over priceless paintings in museums.)
If we could just get parents to lock their little acolytes in the basement. Hey what about a lab grown virus!?
Events like what happened to the Donnor Party are not taught in school, as they are too depressing, and anyway happened to colonialists looking to steal from the majestic indigenous people of America (all of which have the same traditions, ideas and desires).
strativarius
March 4, 2024 6:29 am
In what other field than climate sceance can a 100%. failure rate be considered 100% successful?
I am not sure which direction the misspelling was headed, but I went this way and it was like a bolt from the blue. It all makes sense now.
Climate Séance
Rod Evans
March 4, 2024 7:22 am
Well today is a red letter day for me.
I have just been told by Discus that I am banned from commenting in the Spectator. I already had the distinction of being banned from commenting on the Daily Telegraph the sister publication of the Spectator that happened about three years back.
Hey ho, Those publications are in the process of being rescued from bankruptcy or liquidation to use the business term, by a rich Arab organisation based in the UAE apparently.
If this banning thing becomes more/any more widespread, I will be forced to do something else, like enjoying life….. 🙂
Thanks, I do, my friends consider it a worthy achievement too. Speaking truth to power as Mark S proved recently is clearly not something those in positions of ‘power’ are prepared to allow.
Wouldn’t we all be happier if we spent less time online and less of that time making comments to idiots who just become more idiotic the more you engage with them?
The comments sections are part of the product that the news websites are selling. Spectator, Telegraph, Guardian they are all selling readers to advertisers. The more content generated in the comments section, the more they can sell.
If you answer a question with sound, linked references and well-reasoned arguments then the debate is over. That’s less click-bait. Less readers. Less advertising revenue.
Remember, these sites are not a democratic service. They are not seeking the truth. They are just about generating revenue.
It’s a sign of poor thinking to never get banned from anywhere.
All comment sections ask “What do you think?” but they really aren’t interested in having that.
They also all claim to be promoting the “community”, which is actually the root term of the word “communism”. Communists are never interested in what you think, because they have already done the thinking for you and if you think differently, then you are a threat to the most perfect system that exists only for the betterment of the prolotariat.
Rod,
I am fairly sure that I was the first scientist to have my account permanently locked by “The Conversation” rag. They never told me what I said wrong, just said I had not obeyed their conduct guidelines, then failed to give an example.
That rag is partially funded by government (taxpayer) money, so I doubt it can legally do what it did. Maybe I should find an angle to float it before SCOTUS who seem to know what it wrong and what is right. Geoff S
The thing about this, that actually troubles me a bit, is this. Those who are capable of influencing others in a meaningful way, such as yourself with published study and opinions, along with many others who comment here, are banned because your views matter.
Those of us who do not have a position in the public space, preferring to study events mostly in silence, unpublished and pretty much private, are also now being banned? That is troubling. Because when the ‘average’ Joe is seen as a threat, the controllers must actually be feeling uncomfortable/threatened.
History is awash with events of power broker’s reactions when threatened, right up to and including the Holocaust. All of those events ‘eventually’ destroyed those in power, but the transition was paid at a very high price by the average folk. The current power mad strand in society are becoming anxious. Maybe that is a good thing? Most of us are just trying to get on with our lives, be able to speak openly and freely. Not too much to ask I wouldn’t have thought? Clearly that simple desire for honesty and truth is seen as a threat to some?
I too have been having problems with Disqus on the Spectator website. For a long time I would get an error message preventing me from posting. The new version allows me to post, but I am unable to see my commenting history, nor the responses.
Younger generations should be asked to decide what kind of life they want.
Navigating life’s pathways involves risks and rewards, and choices between order and chaos (as Jordan Peterson explains).
Sure, human emissions from activities that make modern lifetimes 60% longer than their forebears had just 2 generations ago are something to deal with.
But they can be satisfactorily and safely dealt with.
The rewards for this particular risk are really the difference between liveable lives and a struggle to basically survive.
The phrase “use it or lose it” comes to mind –
use the energy resources that the earth deposited for us millions of years ago, or lose the quality of life you hope to have.
Order or Chaos, the eternal struggle. It swings one way or another in a natural variation, much like the climate – all too many these days have blind faith in the Theocracy of the Damned and yet I still have faith that it will swing back towards the side of truth and reason. It may already have begun to swing back.
mleskovarsocalrrcom
March 4, 2024 9:44 am
Are the climate exaggerations propaganda, click bait, or both?
I seem to remember we did tell the warmists on here that the feb 2023 warming was a singular anomaly but no it was all due to climate change apparently. Oh really?
Marty
March 4, 2024 12:30 pm
Who can ever forget Paul Ehrlich and all his insightful forecasts? The wise and learned professors at the University of Illinois required me to read his writings. Fifty years later, looking back, I think I learned something interesting. Today other prophets are telling us that the oceans will soon be boiling.
The Predictions didn’t fail to give the Prognosticator a paycheque and praise of fellow travelers.
Mission Accomplished
But those were projections, not predictions!
They started out as predictions but when they failed, they became projections, really a change without distinction (what is a projection for!!!). But, yeah, the data adjusters also make word meanings malleable.
It doesn’t matter. The average consumer only knows what they are told in the last news cycle. So if they are told it is the hottest year, they believe it; or they think there are things like snowmagedon and it has never snowed like that before; or that if you live in California it is either always mudslides, or fires and drought; or they think that there were record hurricanes or tornadoes; etc. Why worry about the historical record? If that were actually important then that would be explained at the time, wouldn’t it? Why would you think for yourself when there is someone on Ticktock to explain it for you?
I was as at the dealership service waiting for my car. TV news was playing. There was a story, reported from CA/NV, about a “massive” snow storm coming and all about the “extreme” weather. It showed footage from Truckee and Donner Pass area. Um, had the reporter ever heard of the Donner Party? They must have had that extreme weather in 1846 because of too much CO2 from all those covered wagons. Pfft!
It was the horses. And that snow couldn’t possibly have been as bad as this snow.
“The wrong type of snow” is so famous in the UK that it has its own Wikipedia entry.
To be fair, I also recall once reading that when trying to exclude US ski manufacturers from the Japanese market, they claimed that Japanese snow was different from American snow.
Of course it is, it’s in Japan!
And American snow has bigger flakes – everything’s bigger in America!
“raw” snow is tougher to shovel, plow, etc.
Al Gore said that 10 feet of snow in Truckee/Donner pass was global warming/extreme
The Donner party had 26 FEET of snow
When I replied to Al Gore’s post that fact…..someone actual claimed I had made that up, There is a park at Donner Pass with a statue showing how high the snow was
<sigh>
In the world of ALGORE and his acolytes, aka “The Land of Make Believe,” historical reality and the truth have no bearing on the debate which is over.
Don’t go throwing mud on a good story. You will only make them mad and then they will run around throwing tantrums (not to mention, paint, soup, glue or any shit they can get their hands on (even their own) all over priceless paintings in museums.)
If we could just get parents to lock their little acolytes in the basement. Hey what about a lab grown virus!?
I think I remember the Donner Party. Wasn’t it that winter camp-out where they served those strange tasting hor d’oeuvres?
Was it long pig or long pork? As far as Al is concerned, I’d say long pig.
Long pig. Long pig is about shape, long pork is about duration. Best not to confuse the two.
Hahahaha! I wonder how many will get this.
Streetcred, let’s tell them: the Donner Party resorted to cannibalism, imagine the hor d’oeuvres: pass me one of those feet to chew on.
Not that many I’d imagine, Ron hasn’t.
They started out on the wrong foot.
Finger sandwiches.
Events like what happened to the Donnor Party are not taught in school, as they are too depressing, and anyway happened to colonialists looking to steal from the majestic indigenous people of America (all of which have the same traditions, ideas and desires).
In what other field than climate sceance can a 100%. failure rate be considered 100% successful?
Liberalism
Political vote-harvesting
Politics?
I am not sure which direction the misspelling was headed, but I went this way and it was like a bolt from the blue. It all makes sense now.
Climate Séance
Well today is a red letter day for me.
I have just been told by Discus that I am banned from commenting in the Spectator. I already had the distinction of being banned from commenting on the Daily Telegraph the sister publication of the Spectator that happened about three years back.
Hey ho, Those publications are in the process of being rescued from bankruptcy or liquidation to use the business term, by a rich Arab organisation based in the UAE apparently.
If this banning thing becomes more/any more widespread, I will be forced to do something else, like enjoying life….. 🙂
View it as a mark of distinction – if you or your arguments were insignificant then you wouldn’t have been banned.
Thanks, I do, my friends consider it a worthy achievement too. Speaking truth to power as Mark S proved recently is clearly not something those in positions of ‘power’ are prepared to allow.
Wouldn’t we all be happier if we spent less time online and less of that time making comments to idiots who just become more idiotic the more you engage with them?
Are we all just masochists, then? Forever beating our heads against a brick wall for no return? I’d like to think not.
The comments sections are part of the product that the news websites are selling. Spectator, Telegraph, Guardian they are all selling readers to advertisers. The more content generated in the comments section, the more they can sell.
If you answer a question with sound, linked references and well-reasoned arguments then the debate is over. That’s less click-bait. Less readers. Less advertising revenue.
Remember, these sites are not a democratic service. They are not seeking the truth. They are just about generating revenue.
It’s a sign of poor thinking to never get banned from anywhere.
All comment sections ask “What do you think?” but they really aren’t interested in having that.
They also all claim to be promoting the “community”, which is actually the root term of the word “communism”. Communists are never interested in what you think, because they have already done the thinking for you and if you think differently, then you are a threat to the most perfect system that exists only for the betterment of the prolotariat.
Banned from the Specie? That must have been one hellava sustained badness.
Rod,
I am fairly sure that I was the first scientist to have my account permanently locked by “The Conversation” rag. They never told me what I said wrong, just said I had not obeyed their conduct guidelines, then failed to give an example.
That rag is partially funded by government (taxpayer) money, so I doubt it can legally do what it did. Maybe I should find an angle to float it before SCOTUS who seem to know what it wrong and what is right. Geoff S
The thing about this, that actually troubles me a bit, is this. Those who are capable of influencing others in a meaningful way, such as yourself with published study and opinions, along with many others who comment here, are banned because your views matter.
Those of us who do not have a position in the public space, preferring to study events mostly in silence, unpublished and pretty much private, are also now being banned? That is troubling. Because when the ‘average’ Joe is seen as a threat, the controllers must actually be feeling uncomfortable/threatened.
History is awash with events of power broker’s reactions when threatened, right up to and including the Holocaust. All of those events ‘eventually’ destroyed those in power, but the transition was paid at a very high price by the average folk. The current power mad strand in society are becoming anxious. Maybe that is a good thing? Most of us are just trying to get on with our lives, be able to speak openly and freely. Not too much to ask I wouldn’t have thought? Clearly that simple desire for honesty and truth is seen as a threat to some?
I was banned for life by CBC years ago for saying that there is still debate on the human aspect of climate change.
I too have been having problems with Disqus on the Spectator website. For a long time I would get an error message preventing me from posting. The new version allows me to post, but I am unable to see my commenting history, nor the responses.
Younger generations should be asked to decide what kind of life they want.
Navigating life’s pathways involves risks and rewards, and choices between order and chaos (as Jordan Peterson explains).
Sure, human emissions from activities that make modern lifetimes 60% longer than their forebears had just 2 generations ago are something to deal with.
But they can be satisfactorily and safely dealt with.
The rewards for this particular risk are really the difference between liveable lives and a struggle to basically survive.
The phrase “use it or lose it” comes to mind –
use the energy resources that the earth deposited for us millions of years ago, or lose the quality of life you hope to have.
Order or Chaos, the eternal struggle. It swings one way or another in a natural variation, much like the climate – all too many these days have blind faith in the Theocracy of the Damned and yet I still have faith that it will swing back towards the side of truth and reason. It may already have begun to swing back.
Are the climate exaggerations propaganda, click bait, or both?
All of the above with the added incentive that there’s money to be made from it.
https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
They only want to talk about the Antarctic now since the Arctic doesn’t fit the narrative quite as well.
The ice extent maximum for 2024, assuming it has peaked, is about a half million square kilometers greater than 1974’s.
Antarctic sea ice has bottomed-out and is increasing rather quickly. 🙂
Only a short period of a week or so… and no telling if the fast increase will continue…
I seem to remember we did tell the warmists on here that the feb 2023 warming was a singular anomaly but no it was all due to climate change apparently. Oh really?
Who can ever forget Paul Ehrlich and all his insightful forecasts? The wise and learned professors at the University of Illinois required me to read his writings. Fifty years later, looking back, I think I learned something interesting. Today other prophets are telling us that the oceans will soon be boiling.
No, they said they are already boiling.
Because science.
The CAGW community is a disgrace.
Well it seemed like a good idea at the time but now current WA Labor has to eat crow-
WA’s looming domestic gas shortage: How a ‘good faith’ argument left WA short (msn.com)
Please sir can we have some more gas?
So many 🤡, so little time to mock them all.
Need a few more VW’s to cram them into.