THEY FIREBOMBED MY OFFICE

From the POWERLINE BLOG

JOHN HINDERAKER 

I wasn’t entirely forthcoming in this post about why I haven’t written much the last few days. It is true that I have been in Washington, mostly to attend the Michael Mann v. Mark Steyn trial. I will write up my thoughts on the trial (or at least, those portions I have seen) when I have time.

But something else has been distracting me: leftists firebombed my office last Saturday night. At around 2 am, they broke into the building that houses Center of the American Experiment and two other conservative organizations with which we often collaborate, along with many other businesses. The arsonists set two fires: one was in the first floor corridor between American Experiment’s office and the space we sublease to Take Charge, Kendall and Sheila Qualls’ organization. A second fire was set on the third floor, immediately outside or perhaps actually inside the office of the Upper Midwest Law Center, on whose board I serve. This photo shows what the corridor outside my office looks like:

I am working with the FBI to try to identify the perpetrators. As I told them, the list of potential suspects is long, as my organization is active, and unusually effective, across a broad range of issues. I will have more to say about this before long.


Addendum

Dealing with activist violence from green eco-doomers is always on an going concern, as we try and present a point of view that departs from the mainstream narrative, scientific consensus, or gospel of the climate cult as it were. Stalking, doxxing, and as the above post shows, actual violence are things for which we have to be vigilant. The post below from 14 years ago foreshadows the violence noted above.

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Bryan A
February 12, 2024 2:05 pm

Those who preach
Tolerance
Equity
Social Justice
Are usually the least tolerant of alternative points of view and the first to commit atrocities in the name of the cause

GoatGuy
Reply to  Bryan A
February 12, 2024 2:42 pm

Those who preach … 

Tolerance
Equity
Social Justice

Are almost absurdly … 

Intolerant
Inequitable
Unjust

I don’t know why, actually. Of late I am impressed with Mankind’s ability to outlaw all sorts of things that are pretty nebulous, because of a Roaring Crowd of Easily Offended people. By why the easy offense, the susceptibility to unreason?

Ah… there is the AH-HAH that I’ve come to.  

The intolerant, inequitable, unjust behavior is a proxy for Religious Dogmatism. Yep, the oldest curse of a free society, the dogmatic righteousness of an otherwise untalented public demanding that THEIR brand of religion must-haps be the RIGHT brand of religion, and all others are only worthy of public derision, pilloring, tarring and feathering. It is a clash of religions in a way. A clash of tightly held beliefs that harbor no tolerance for other beliefs, and moreover take to remarkably angry, downright evil ways of expressing their intolerance and inequity.  

I hold no hope that this will resolve in a more liberally conservatıve, actually multi-cultural, broadly tolerant fashion. The drums of war have been growing louder, closer, more ferverant, year by year.  

Sadly, 

⋅-⋅-⋅ Just saying, ⋅-⋅-⋅
⋅-=≡ GoatGuy ✓ ≡=-⋅

Reply to  GoatGuy
February 12, 2024 3:32 pm

“When people have invested their identities into clichés, the only counter argument they have is ‘being offended’.”
Stefan Molyneux.

Reply to  Richard Page
February 12, 2024 3:47 pm

To offend is indefensible!
(Unless “they” offended you.)

Reply to  GoatGuy
February 12, 2024 4:15 pm

I have noted that in the UK, newspapers are reporting that the Prince and Princess of Wales are said to be considering sending Prince George to Oundle, rather than Eton (which William attended) or Marlborough (which Katherine attended and is co-ed). Why Oundle? Because it now has a reputation for turning out green zealots. At the same time their are also rumours that William wants to disassociate the monarchy from the Church (our coinage still bears reference to Henry VIII’s title as Fide Defensor – defender of the Faith). Given how particularly the Church of England has descended into wokeness and remained there long after three days it is perhaps understandable. But to replace that with green religion is I suspect a bad misstep. He has spent too much time on the sofa watching Attenbollox with the children.

Reply to  It doesnot add up
February 13, 2024 6:05 am

Indoctrinated by his father from birth, as have his children. Let’s hope the kids start rebelling as teenagers.

Reply to  It doesnot add up
February 13, 2024 12:14 pm

I would prefer the country headed him off at the pass and disassociated itself with him.

Reply to  It doesnot add up
February 13, 2024 1:50 pm

+1000 for “Attenbollox”

Doud D
Reply to  GoatGuy
February 12, 2024 5:30 pm

Totally ungrounded reasoning with speculative reasoning, afterall it could have been a vicious gang of left handed Japanese. My read , just another post from a hater

Mr.
Reply to  Doud D
February 12, 2024 7:25 pm

No cult hates like Antifa.

And this arson has all the hallmarks of how those black hooded, always-masked, phone-wielding cowards operate.

cgh
Reply to  Mr.
February 13, 2024 7:27 pm

Antifa is not a cult. It is a politically paid operation just as Sturmabteilung was. It’s no accident that Antifa follows the tactics and uniforms of the infamous SA.Its tactics include violent confrontation as demonstrated on numerous occasions in the 2020 US national elections. As shown by its targets, one clear purpose is to intimidate voters. In this regard, its targets are the same as those of the SA: to intimidate opponents of socialism.

Reply to  Doud D
February 13, 2024 12:17 pm

I guess the 2020 riots across America could have been left handed Japanese, but we know they were BLM. We didn’t even have to be told they were BLM.

MarkH
Reply to  Bryan A
February 12, 2024 4:31 pm

When they talk of “tolerance”, you need to understand what they mean. To do so, read Repressive Tolerance by Herbert Marcuse.

MarkW
Reply to  Bryan A
February 12, 2024 7:12 pm

The left has always had a history of violence towards those who disagree with them. The further left, the more violent they get.
As the world continues to lose interest in their latest crusade, they will no doubt get even more violent.

Gregg Eshelman
Reply to  MarkW
February 12, 2024 7:55 pm

Meanwhile the less violent leftists claim the more violent ones are “right wing”.

MyUsername
Reply to  Gregg Eshelman
February 13, 2024 8:43 am

For example?

Reply to  MarkW
February 13, 2024 12:19 pm

Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, Adolf, Biden etc.

Reply to  Bryan A
February 12, 2024 11:06 pm

What has tolerance of EVIL and the contempt of the Ungrateful Illegal Invaders gotten us?

illegals-giving-US-the-finger
Reply to  TEWS_Pilot
February 13, 2024 3:31 am

This is what we get when Radical Democrats are in charge: The Finger. From arrogant illegal aliens, and from radical Democrats.

This illegal-alien invasion is one reason Trump is leading Biden in the polls.

Trump says if he is elected, he will begin the biggest deportation effort in U.S. history.

MyUsername
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 13, 2024 8:48 am

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Janice Moore
Reply to  MyUsername
February 14, 2024 11:16 am

Sure. And we’ll take all our dentists and physicians and medicine and power plants and motor vehicles and casinos (ooo, that will hurt — heh) and fishing boats and computers and phones, etc., etc., with us. (including any Indians educated at U.S. universities — their knowledge and skills are ours — they can practice their professions in Europe).

Have fun living in The Stone Age. Forever.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Janice Moore
February 14, 2024 11:20 am

P.S. And exactly what law did the English and German and Swedish and Irish and Italian (and other immigrants you include in the 300 million) break?

Answer: None.

They came LEGALLY.

Ordered liberty and strong borders = peace and prosperity.

Your way of life was constant, CONSTANT, war among many “nations” within North America. That was fun, wasn’t it.

Bottom line:

People who say such things only prove how ignorant they are.

Reply to  Janice Moore
February 14, 2024 8:31 pm

Yes, they got a very good deal.

Reply to  Janice Moore
February 14, 2024 8:59 pm

The Puritan English that brought their theories of predestination and hellfire were the eventual losers of the War of the Three Kingdoms. These followers of Oliver Cromwell followed the same tactics used in the invasion and subjugation of Ireland and the Catholics of the UK. The North American natives could have learned a lot of the techniques of savagery from the English New Model Army.

Simpletons like yourself fail to recognize that the New World natives were the great agronomists of world history. Every day you eat products made from plants developed by natives of the New World. In fact, the motive for much of European exploration was the discovery of plants that could feed the starving Europeans, potatoes and maize, for instance. The celebrated mutiny of HMS Bounty occurred during an attempt to acquire enough breadfruit seedlings from Polynesia so the British could grow their own.

Reply to  Janice Moore
February 15, 2024 3:49 pm

Who says Europe will want you lot back?

February 12, 2024 2:07 pm

Alarming but not surprising. I’m glad no one is hurt.

Anyone involved in an organization openly opposed to progressive causes needs to take extra caution, extra security and especially take extra steps to protect their homes and families. They are at risk of being doxxed, swatted, acts of violence and vandalism, etc. It’s a sad fact of the world we live in.

Anyone who publicly expresses opinions in opposition to progressive beliefs and causes should likewise take extra care.

Reply to  More Soylent Green!
February 12, 2024 3:25 pm

These 3 States – Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine have the lowest crime rates in the country.

The one thing they all have in common is Constitutional Carry. Constitutional carry means that the state’s law does not prohibit citizens who can legally possess a firearm from carrying handguns, (openly and/or in a concealed manner) thus no state permit is required.

This helps to discourage the types of violent crime which has become so typical elsewhere.
It also makes people more aware of the need for proper handgun training and use.

Would suggest relocating to one of these States…

MarkW
Reply to  Yirgach
February 12, 2024 7:17 pm

On the other hand, we have the SC of Hawaii which recently declared that the 2nd amendment doesn’t apply to their state.

prjndigo
Reply to  MarkW
February 13, 2024 2:08 am

nothing quite like a self-revoking statehood, eh?

Reply to  MarkW
February 13, 2024 4:02 am

That’s like the Colorado Supreme Court thinking they can determine presidential elections.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 13, 2024 6:35 am

The Colo. Secretary of State, Jenna Griswold, is an insane woman.

MarkW
Reply to  karlomonte
February 13, 2024 1:34 pm

She’s a typical, end justifies the means, Democrat.

Reply to  Yirgach
February 13, 2024 12:10 am

I strongly suspect the low crime rates in these States have more to do with the ethnicity of the inhabitants than the gun laws, but I’m willing to be convinced otherwise.

Reply to  Graemethecat
February 13, 2024 5:53 am

Certainly true- along with most people in those states are rural folks.

Reply to  Yirgach
February 13, 2024 3:44 am

You have more choices than those three States:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/constitutional-carry-states

“As of mid-2023, there are currently twenty-seven states that allow for Constitutional Carry”

end excerpt

I’m happy to say my State allows me to defend myself with a gun, if necessary. I hope I never have to pull the trigger. I did use it in the dark of the night in my house one night when a person broke in. But I didn’t have to shoot the person. As soon as he heard me cock the hammer on my pistol, he ran out the door as fast as he could, never to be seen again. I don’t think he will ever come back. 🙂

Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 13, 2024 5:55 am

Reminds me of a story a friend told me. He was with other friends- staying in a log cabin owned by one of them. Some thugs showed up and demanded they open the front door. My friend yelled out- “guys, get the shotguns”. There were no guns in the cabin- but the thugs left in a hurry.

cgh
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 13, 2024 7:30 pm

An armed society is a polite society.

Reply to  cgh
February 14, 2024 4:44 am

Go up to the picture posted by TEWS_pilot. She does not look ‘polite’.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
February 14, 2024 3:05 am

When I was about seven years old, my mother and I were in the house with my younger brother and sister, when we heard someone trying to get in the back door.

My mother said loudly, “Tom (my father, who wasn’t home at the time), get me the shotgun”. The potential intruder left. We didn’t have a shotgun at the time.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Yirgach
February 13, 2024 5:43 am

The are also smaller states with a population that is not very diverse and no large cities. Based on the demographics of crime, I think that would be a bigger reason for the low crime rates.

Jim Masterson
Reply to  More Soylent Green!
February 12, 2024 8:02 pm

And back-up your devices off-site and regularly.

Decaf
February 12, 2024 2:32 pm

Their narrative has them in a vicelike grip, pun intended.

Reply to  Decaf
February 12, 2024 3:00 pm

no, you don’t know….. anything !!

MarkW
Reply to  Decaf
February 12, 2024 7:21 pm

I know.

You’ve given no evidence to support such a claim. Ever.

MarkW
Reply to  MarkW
February 13, 2024 10:51 am

That was originally a response to ghastly. I don’t know how it ended up here.

Reply to  MarkW
February 13, 2024 12:55 pm

He managed to get himself banned and all his posts deleted, so the threads no longer make sense.

Reply to  karlomonte
February 13, 2024 3:38 pm

Just from this article, I think. His posts are still up elsewhere.

February 12, 2024 2:39 pm

Not a clever idea to start a fire oneself, then call in the FBI.

You really are a clown.

Reply to  Graemethecat
February 12, 2024 4:08 pm

Wishful thinking on your part, chum.

MarkW
Reply to  Graemethecat
February 12, 2024 7:19 pm

It really is amazing how you know everything that happened. It’s almost as if you were there.

Jim Masterson
Reply to  MarkW
February 12, 2024 8:04 pm

Ghastly probably was. Good call!

Reply to  MarkW
February 13, 2024 5:40 am

Huh? Was that remark aimed at Gh0stly, by chance?

Reply to  Graemethecat
February 13, 2024 5:50 am

Yes. Ghastly’s posts were removed for a good reason which I’ll not go into. It does leave a few odd spaces in the comments where they don’t seem to match up, though.

Reply to  Richard Page
February 13, 2024 6:37 am

Likely his intention was to get banned and carve another notch on his/her/its belt. Change of socks forthcoming…

Rud Istvan
February 12, 2024 2:45 pm

Another sign that skeptics are slowly winning the ‘climate science’ war.
XR glues itself to UK streets in protest that impossible Net Zero isn’t good enough.
Gavin Schmidt refusing to debate because he knows he cannot win.
Judith Curry just got Penn State to agree Mann violated its code of conduct concerning his treatment of her.
Firebombing the office of a skeptical climate voice is not only illegally ineffective, it evidences growing Alarmist desperation.
Over forty years of ‘climate science’ failure is finally alarming unhinged Alarmists.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 12, 2024 3:36 pm

Reminds me of ALF’s (Animal Liberation Front) actions against animal research and researchers.
Same mind set.

Bryan A
Reply to  Gunga Din
February 12, 2024 9:27 pm

Chairman of the A.L.F.
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February 12, 2024 2:59 pm

WOW.. talk about a far-leftist weirdo projecting his idiotology and thoughts onto others !

ghastly is a classic case.

Reply to  bnice2000
February 12, 2024 4:05 pm

The idea of them getting the fire started themselves..

.. came DIRECTLY from your putrid little mind.

That is the origin of your slimy little fantasy.

MarkW
Reply to  bnice2000
February 12, 2024 7:20 pm

ghastly spends so much time ducking and dodging that he often has trouble remembering what he wrote and what others wrote.

Izaak Walton
February 12, 2024 3:00 pm

Is there any evidence whatsoever about the political beliefs of the arsonist(s)? Or even that the attack was targeted at the centre of the American Experiment given that the building contained
multiple businesses.

Guessing at the motives of the attackers is not likely to do any good and is more likely to lead the police down a blind alley than help them find the criminals involved. Have a look at:
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/identifying-arson-motives

where the abstract states:
Types of arson motives identified are (1) pyromania, 10.1 percent; (2) revenge, 52.9 percent; (3) vandalism, 12.3 percent; (4) insurance fraud, 6.55 percent; (5) welfare fraud, 6.55 percent; (6) the psycho firesetter, 8.7 percent; and (7) crime concealment, 2.9 percent. 

Note that politics is nowhere mentioned as a main cause of arson. Which is not to say that the attack wasn’t politically motivated but only that without any evidence claiming that it was is unhelpful.

nyolci
Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 12, 2024 3:36 pm

Or even that the attack

Or even that it was an attack at all. And not a space heater or something.

Reply to  nyolci
February 12, 2024 5:47 pm

You’re showing your lack of age and maturity there.

nyolci
Reply to  Richard Page
February 13, 2024 8:14 am

No maturity? How can you come up with such an idiotic take? Due to my maturity I have seen numerous hysterical claims of crime (with very specific details). Most of the time it turned out it wasn’t crime at all. I wonder what the situation is this time, whether there was a crime at all.

Reply to  nyolci
February 13, 2024 3:44 pm

Nyolci, despite the comment now saying it’s in reply to you, it was actually a reply to something ghastly posted. When he got himself deleted from this thread it left a few very odd matchup’s, like this one. If you want to blame someone then I suggest ghastly is a more appropriate target, not me – I had no control over how the posts matched up after ghastly’s posts went missing.

nyolci
Reply to  Richard Page
February 14, 2024 4:46 am

it was actually a reply to something ghastly posted

Oops, sorry. This is why it looked out of place. Now I understand.

MarkW
Reply to  nyolci
February 14, 2024 7:01 pm

I never said I knew what traces were left.

Reply to  nyolci
February 15, 2024 3:52 pm

‘Nuff said.

MarkW
Reply to  nyolci
February 12, 2024 7:23 pm

How many people keep space heaters in the hallway?

Even the trolls are getting desperate to muddy the waters.

nyolci
Reply to  MarkW
February 13, 2024 8:16 am

How many people keep space heaters in the hallway?

As always, the most idiotic take… Okay, I reformulate my sentence: I’m not even sure there was a crime here. It might’ve been an accident (of unspecified nature).

MarkW
Reply to  nyolci
February 13, 2024 10:56 am

A not quite as stupid attempt to muddy the waters.

Depending on the source of the fire, the fire will leave vastly different traces. The FBI knows how to read the evidence. You on the other hand only know how to defend your tribe.

nyolci
Reply to  MarkW
February 13, 2024 11:17 am

the fire will leave vastly different traces

How do you know what traces it left? I don’t want to tell you again, but we have seen no assessment from any law enforcement source.

Reply to  nyolci
February 13, 2024 3:23 pm

How do you know what traces it left?

He didn’t say what traces it left. He said it WILL leave different traces:

>Depending on the source of the fire, the fire will leave vastly different traces.”

Again, I highlighted the relevant phrases to help you.

we have seen no assessment from any law enforcement source.

It was arson:

“The ATF within a few days of the fire said it is investigating the blaze as arson. Agency spokeswoman Ashlee Sherrill said Friday she had no new details to share about how the fire was started.”

“We are determined to catch the people who committed this terrible, terrible crime.”

https://www.startribune.com/15k-reward-offered-by-conservative-think-tank-whose-golden-valley-office-was-set-on-fire/600342334/

old cocky
Reply to  nyolci
February 13, 2024 3:45 pm

Way down the bottom of the comments, it was confirmed to be arson.

I do agree about not jumping to conclusions.
Determining the cause of the fire is merely the first step.

MarkW
Reply to  nyolci
February 14, 2024 7:03 pm

Whether you are just continuing to muddy the water, or you actually are as clueless as your posts make you seem. I never said that I knew what traces were left. I said that the FBI is capable of telling a lot from the traces that were left.

Reply to  nyolci
February 14, 2024 1:18 am

The FBI and ATF don’t get involved in accident investigations and they don’t get involved this quickly unless there is clear evidence pointing to something they are tasked with investigating. My take on this is that there was probably something left at the crime scene that prompted the local police to call them in immediately.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  nyolci
February 13, 2024 5:47 am

I think the Fire Marshall can pretty quickly tell the source of the fire. But throwing around stupid comments is always a good move.

MyUsername
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
February 13, 2024 6:22 am

So is playing the victim of unproven political terrorism

Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
February 13, 2024 7:52 am

I think the Fire Marshall can pretty quickly tell the source of the fire.

Every fire is investigated. Almost every fire I’ve been to, the source was determined before we left the grounds – fire marshall was only needed to check off on the determination. It’s usually quite obvious to those who deal with fires regularly.

nyolci
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
February 13, 2024 8:23 am

I think the Fire Marshall

Please observe that the expression “Fire Marshall” doesn’t appear in the text above. Actually, any assessment by law enforcement is missing. For that matter, the one single mention of law enforcement is “I’m working with the FBI”, which may or may not mean actual official involvement.

MarkW
Reply to  nyolci
February 13, 2024 11:17 am

If there was a fire, the Fire Marshall was called. It’s standard procedure.
He/She is usually on scene before the fire is put out.

Reply to  nyolci
February 13, 2024 11:25 am

Please observe that the expression “Fire Marshall” doesn’t appear in the text above.

Irrelevant. The Fire Marshall, or an investigator from the FMs office, investigates the cause of the fire to determine how it started. NOT the FBI or law enforcement.

The FM does not establish motive – THAT is the purview of law enforcement. But you are responding to this statement:
> “I think the Fire Marshall can pretty quickly tell the source of the fire.

Which does NOT suggest any assessment of crime or motive – refer to the bolded section.

Reply to  nyolci
February 13, 2024 3:47 pm

Actually, from a different source, he’s working with agents from both the FBI and ATF. The implication is that this is NOT accidental.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 12, 2024 3:47 pm

Generally where political motivations have been identified with a crime, it’s been coupled with a revenge motivation – either a political rejection or rebuttal from that person/group has grown into a desire, then a psychological need, for revenge. Politics is never a straightforward cause of arson, which is one of the reasons that it’s never included on a list of causes – it’s a motivation, a reason why the cause was established in the first place. If they ever find who did this, my money is on them having already caused a problem or be known as having identified themselves as politically opposed to their views.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Richard Page
February 12, 2024 7:19 pm

Richard,
the point is that right now nobody knows anything about the motives of the attacker since nobody knows who the arsonists was. Speculating about the motives is unlikely to be helpful and assuming that it was politically driven is more likely to waste police time than to help find the people responsible.

So unless there is evidence about the motives that isn’t being revealed to the public blaming “leftists” is unjustified.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 12, 2024 8:26 pm

The “leftists” would consider Hinderaker their enemy more because of his conservative beliefs than for global warming denialism. Nevertheless, it’s easy to elilminate a huge portion of the world’s population from suspicion. The Eskimos didn’t set the place on fire, probably not the Pennsylvania Dutch, the Thoroughbred Owners and Breeders Assoc. is unlikely to be playing with matches, McDonalds’ franchisees aren’t involved. There are, however, maybe a dozen or more institutions of higher learning in the local area. In the dark of night the unprosecuted crime of graffiti on private buildings and trucks is a regular occurrence. After the beatification of George Floyd arson extended to the Minneapolis 3rd Precinct Police Station a few miles west of the Center of the American Experiment facility. To date no one has been arrested for any of the mostly peaceful protests that resulted in buildings reduced to ashes. Maybe the Feds can make a better effort. We’ll see.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 12, 2024 9:05 pm

So Dr. John Christie’s UAH office was shot at by person or person’s unknown seven times just after a left-wing rally nearby. John Hinderaker, a known friend of Mark Steyn, had his office gutted by fire at the beginning of the Mann v Steyn/Simberg case. But let’s surely not speculate on any of this because, after all, it could have been a squirrel with a flare gun? Of course Isaak, whatever you say, Isaak.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Richard Page
February 12, 2024 9:46 pm

But nobody appears to be speculating about the motives — everyone has immediately jumped to the conclusion that it is “leftists” with no evidence and not even a workable definition of who is a “leftist”. Splitting the world into two opposing camps where one camp consists of you and your friends while the other comprises everyone else is pointless and neglects the diversity of political opinion that exists everywhere.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 12, 2024 4:12 pm

You obviously don’t care about ultra-leftists attacking normal citizens.

Condoning this sort of attack, or fantasising that they did it themselves…

is really disgusting and degenerate behaviour…

… behaviour only expected from the lowest scum of society.

Are you part of BLM, XR or AntiFa, JSO….. or a paid operative of all of them. !

Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 12, 2024 4:37 pm

The idiots starting these fires will almost certainly be a mix of 1,2 &3 above with a bit of 6 thrown in for good measure.

“Arguing-against” or “not-going-along-with” or “not-doing-enough” to support the AGW scam has seen several groups doing some pretty reprehensible and anti-society things.

It is not at all a stretch to see someone from JSO, XR or other eco-fascist group being involved.

Reply to  bnice2000
February 12, 2024 5:08 pm

The gas cylinder bombs found at the ‘peaceful’ Keystone pipeline protest being a case in point.

Mr.
Reply to  Richard Page
February 12, 2024 7:36 pm

And the $millions of vandalism & destruction perpetrated by the midnight Antifa-suited morons on the Alberta – BC trans-mountain oil twinning pipeline.

Right under the noses of the RCMP contingent that was “protecting” the construction project operations.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Page
February 14, 2024 7:06 pm

If the Fire Marshall, or whoever had investigated the fire had ruled the fire to be accidental, then the FBI and ATF would have packed their bags and left.

prjndigo
Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 13, 2024 2:10 am

politics always deludes itself that it wasn’t the agitating cause of anything, arson is a weapon of warfare too and that isn’t in the list

February 12, 2024 3:10 pm

Do you have any evidence to support your rash speculation or is it just irresponsible denigration?

Tom Halla
February 12, 2024 3:19 pm

The truly scary thing about the old KKK was that they had impunity, and knew it. Antifa and several eco activist groups also seem to not get seriously charged for whatever crimes they commit, and I would suggest for much the same reasons. Being the “special action” group of a political party is their alleged status.

Reply to  Tom Halla
February 12, 2024 3:40 pm

“Green Shirts”, just like Adolf’s “Brown Shirts”.

Reply to  Gunga Din
February 12, 2024 6:18 pm

Only green.

Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 12, 2024 6:55 pm

With deep brown stains all over them. !

Mr.
Reply to  Gunga Din
February 12, 2024 7:38 pm

Nothing “green” ever works properly.

  • Tim Blair
February 12, 2024 3:41 pm

Firstly, I’m glad that everyone is safe, and being forewarned is forearmed as they say, so at least now you can take measures to ensure that it stays that way.
But what a massive endorsement this is for everything you’ve been doing.
You’re obviously having a very meaningful impact.
And what does it say about them and their cause, and, of course, ‘The Science’?
Absolutely nothing good, that’s for damn sure.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Brian.
February 12, 2024 7:22 pm

Who are “them”? How do you know it wasn’t a disgruntled ex-employee looking for
revenge? Or it wasn’t aimed at one of the other businesses in the building?

Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 12, 2024 9:07 pm

Or a squirrel with a flare gun? Or a chipmunk playing with fireworks? How about a couple of teenage rats playing with matches?

Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 12, 2024 10:52 pm

MOst of the businesses were conservative run business.

Thanks for agreeing with the idea that a mentally deranged leftist was probably to blame.

(although saying “mentally deranged” and “leftist” is a classic case of verbal redundancy)

0perator
February 12, 2024 3:47 pm

“When we win, do not forget that these people want you broke, dead, your kids raped and brainwashed, and they think it’s funny.”

-Sam-wise Hyde once observed.

February 12, 2024 3:56 pm

I’m glad no one is hurt.
And I hope the arsonists are caught and punished (not the same thing).

But don’t think that the loonies represent the majority. Most people on every side are reasonable, even if you disagree with them.

The guys who oppose immigration are many. The guys who lynch immigrants are few.
The same on the other side.

On every question, most people are reasonable. Even when we disagree with them.

Reply to  MCourtney
February 12, 2024 4:32 pm

Hear! hear!

Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 12, 2024 5:05 pm

Unfortunately, the far-left globalists and their hangers-on, the net-zero, anti-CO2 cult, the gender-destruction cult, etc etc, are getting more and more insistent that the world has to degenerate to a lower standard of morality and life-style, where normal people will “have nothing”, have no rights, and will not be happy.

And those not wanting that sort of control over their lives are getting more and more annoyed about it being constantly shoved in their faces.

We are already seeing the response in France and Germany,

… and the more the far-left push their ugly anti-human agendas…

… the more we will see rational, normal people start to push back.

ps fungal. green thumb from me, for a rational comment for a change.. !

Reply to  bnice2000
February 12, 2024 5:09 pm

Loosen up, mate.

“Far left globalists”?

Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 12, 2024 5:50 pm

You really are totally unaware of what is going on, aren’t you !

Reply to  bnice2000
February 12, 2024 6:00 pm

I keep a scant eye on things; but I don’t see “reds under the beds” in every little detail of life or current affairs. Certainly not in climate science – or any other science.

I just see the data and the real-world outcomes.

I’m sort of semi-retired now; but anyone who reviewed my employment history would hardly describe me as a “leftist”

Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 12, 2024 6:57 pm

I keep a scant eye on things”

So you admit you are totally ignorant of the totalitarian globalism behind the crap agendas that you support.

Time to wake up, and realise what you are actually supporting with your ignorance.

Bryan A
Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 12, 2024 6:04 pm

Absolutely. UN Agenda 21 was to begin installing a leftist ruled global government where They tell You…
What you will eat (no Farmed animal meat aka beef/pork)
What you can drive (only EV sales and phase out ICE)
How you can cook and heat (no natural gas or propane)
How far you can drive (15 minute city zones)
When you can refuel your BEVs (no peak time charging)
When you can take vacation (oops can’t travel STACATION)
When you can visit relatives (provided they live in your 15min zone)
When you can travel to another country (2 flights a year) (1 round trip = 2 flights)
That your EV must be plugged in overnight to hell balance the grid (may be drained in the morning)

Reply to  Bryan A
February 12, 2024 6:11 pm

There is not an invisible foot trying to stamp on us Bryan.

There is a real threat from climate change.

Get rid of your imaginary threats and focus on the ones that can actually do you some harm.

Bryan A
Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 12, 2024 6:30 pm

The real threat is Leftist global governance, Climate Change™ is just the excuse to install such government
An Excuse is nothing more than the Skin of a Lie stuffed with Reason

MarkW
Reply to  Bryan A
February 12, 2024 7:29 pm

Climate change is the imaginary threat.

Bryan A
Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 12, 2024 6:31 pm

And you are correct, there is no invisible foot…it’s very visible for all who don’t deny it’s existence

abolition man
Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 12, 2024 6:37 pm

There IS a real threat to life on Earth; that of all plants dying from LACK of CO2 during one of the next few periods of glaciation!
I would ask you to find some scientific evidence that what I claim is not true, but I doubt you have the capacity. Just what color is the sky in your delusions!? We’re all highly curious to know!

Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 12, 2024 7:01 pm

“There is not an invisible foot”

No, it is NOT invisible.

It is there for all to see, loud and abrasive and very ugly.

The only threat from “climate” is the totalitarian anti-CO2 agenda. !!

You have yet to show a single piece of evidence to support the very basis of that leftist agenda, ie warming by atmospheric CO2.

You are the one with the imaginary threat.

The totalitarian agenda is very real and has often been stated loud and clear by those who’s agenda you support..

MarkW
Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 12, 2024 7:28 pm

THere is zero threat from climate change. Heck we haven’t even managed to return to the warmth that was enjoyed during the MWP and have several degrees to ge before we get to the temperatures of the Holocene Optimum. CO2 is very good for the planet and we need lots more of it.

walterrh03
Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 13, 2024 4:03 am

There is a real threat from climate change.

Have you, throughout your life, noticed any change at all in your local weather?

Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 13, 2024 4:11 am

Climate change is the imaginary threat.

There’s no evidence for a climate crisis.

Mr.
Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 12, 2024 6:28 pm

From all that I’ve read, seen and heard, the WEF and many UN departments are definitely “Far left globalists”.

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Mr.
February 12, 2024 9:49 pm

There is no other lap between billionaires and the far left. You get to be a billionaire either through inherited wealth or exploiting workers.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 12, 2024 10:54 pm

Except most of the funders of the far-left eco-terrorists and their kin, the AGW cultists…. are leftist billionaires

Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 13, 2024 12:06 am

Pray tell us how Bill Gates or Elon Musk became billionaires. Neither inherited their billions, and I believe both Microsoft and Tesla pay their employees very well indeed.

abolition man
Reply to  Graemethecat
February 13, 2024 12:19 am

Oops! Izaak slipped and showed his true colors!
The “exploited workers” of the US were sooo comfortable that the working class had to be destroyed to usher in the latest iteration of the Marxist Utopia that the Left yearns for!
Since the problem seems to be that Marxism is contrary to human nature, they have decided to change human nature to fit their fantasy instead. That should work out well!

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 13, 2024 5:54 am

Tell us again about how Putin and the Russian oligarchs got their money.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 13, 2024 6:28 am

 You get to be a billionaire either through inherited wealth or exploiting workers.

The words of a committed marxist.

“This time we’ll get it right!”

Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 13, 2024 8:04 am

There is no other lap between billionaires and the far left

Assuming you mean overlap, your statement ignores the obvious actions of many billionaires.

MarkW
Reply to  Tony_G
February 13, 2024 11:19 am

I’ve lost track of the number of clueless communists who have declared that
1) Everyone with a lot of money is a capitalist.
2) By their definition, all capitalists are conservatives.

MarkW
Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 13, 2024 11:01 am

Another communist heard from.

The workers were paid for their work.
If the workers didn’t like their wages or working conditions they were free to leave.
There was no exploitation.

MyUsername
Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 13, 2024 6:27 am

Oh, this site has commie nazis. You can be anything here. Just pile up words you don’t like.

Reply to  MyUsername
February 13, 2024 6:39 am

Lusername is showing his/her/its true plumage.

MarkW
Reply to  MyUsername
February 13, 2024 11:20 am

As everyone with even the tiniest connection with reality knows, Nazis are socialists. So a commie nazi is not the contradiction that your tiny mind wants it to be.

Reply to  MCourtney
February 12, 2024 5:25 pm

Whichever part of the political spectrum we come from, I do hope we can agree on that, even if we disagree on whether we live in an oven or a refrigerator.

February 12, 2024 4:55 pm

He probably intentionally recruited a professional fire-starter to light things up…

That’s a statement with as much credibility as “leftists firebombed my office”.

Nobody knows at this stage who did what or why.

Can we not just all agree that resorting to this type of behaviour, whatever the motivation, is unacceptable and is to be condemned in all circumstances?

Reply to  TheFinalNail
February 12, 2024 5:21 pm

We can but the sad part is that it takes an event like this for us to agree on something and condemn the behaviour of the perpetrators and their apologists (yes, I’m looking straight at you, ghastly). Let’s at least all try to agree that this behaviour cannot be tolerated in any society we all would like to live in.

mleskovarsocalrrcom
February 12, 2024 5:13 pm

Save the world, burn it down.

David S
February 12, 2024 6:03 pm

People on the left have become dangerously psychotic.

MarkW
Reply to  David S
February 12, 2024 7:32 pm

They’ve always been psychotic. They only get dangerous when someone disagrees with them.

Reply to  David S
February 12, 2024 7:47 pm

They’ve always been dangerously psychotic. Leftists truly believe that state run economies are the best way to raise humanity upward toward utopia. Since every effort to accomplish this has always failed miserably, they must also believe that next time it will work.

Psychosis is a condition of the mind that results in difficulties determining what is real and what is not real. Therefore, doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of psychosis.

MarkW
Reply to  doonman
February 13, 2024 11:04 am

When shown that previous worker’s paradises have failed, the responses are usually one of the following:

The US sabotaged it
The CIA sabotaged it
The capitalists sabotaged it
Space aliens sabotaged it
The wrong people were running it. This time it will work because we will be in charge.

Reply to  David S
February 13, 2024 6:32 am

“Liberalism is a mental disorder” — Michael Savage

MyUsername
Reply to  David S
February 13, 2024 6:38 am

No, the bubble you are in makes you think that way.

MarkW
Reply to  MyUsername
February 13, 2024 11:23 am

What is it about leftists that makes them all sound as if they were reading from the same cheat sheet.
Any place that has people who disagree with them are either bubbles or echo chambers.

abolition man
February 12, 2024 6:49 pm

How interesting to see the levels to which our climat radicals have sunk! To downplay the possibility of the fire being intentional (like most of the forest fires in Canada) is surely a sign of a diseased and low quality mind! Our “modern” Western education system seems to have discovered how to create small and intolerant minds with no ability to think critically; only regurgitation is allowed!

MarkW
February 12, 2024 7:17 pm

Are you really that desperate?
BTW, that’s libel.

Tom.1
February 12, 2024 7:46 pm

I have been reading the PowerLine blog for over 20 years, and I still do. I don’t always agree with them, but they are solid citizens.

Jim Masterson
February 12, 2024 8:27 pm

I love how our crop of trolls are trying to distance themselves from this atrocity. It can’t one of us–we’re so reasonable. The latest nut shooter in Houston had a Palestine sticker on her AR-15. So the question is, how did a mentally ill person get an AR-15?

Izaak Walton
Reply to  Jim Masterson
February 12, 2024 9:51 pm

lax gun laws in the US? Just speculating, after all no other country has such lax gun laws just as no other country has so many mass shootings. It would be weird if there was a link.

Jim Masterson
Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 12, 2024 11:25 pm

It’s not lax gun laws. It’s lax enforcement of gun crimes. Stupid liberal DAs are the cause. It’s also the creation of gun-free-zones. That creates areas where innocent people are easy targets.

Reply to  Jim Masterson
February 13, 2024 4:22 am

This person should have been in jail or a mental institution since he had numerous arrests, some involving guns.

The question to ask is why is someone like this walking around on the streets?

“He” reportedly indentified as both a man and a woman depending on the occasion. He also, apparently idenfied as a Hamas terrorist supporter.

He was obviously mentally ill. He should not have had a gun of any kind. But, you can get a gun if you want one badly enough. You don’t have to go to the gun store. Criminals don’t have problems getting guns. It’s the law-abiding citizens that have the problems.

abolition man
Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 12, 2024 11:50 pm

The right to arm bears is the ONLY historical hindrance to overly zealous tyrannical govts that seek to inhibit the rights of their citizenry! Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Maoist China, and nearly ALL other totalitarian states have very strict gun laws!
If you want to understand the mass shootings in the US better, you might want to look at the rapid increase in mental and emotional problems in the last sixty years! Current data seem to point to nutritional as well as educational deficiencies being major contributors to this rise! If you add in the high rates of drug use, and the proliferation of personal devices that are more addictive and mind numbing than the boob tube; you have a recipe for a highly agitated society where many feel alienated and stressed to the breaking point! You should be asking why a government would apparently WANT to feed its citizens foods that lower their intellectual capacity while crippling,maiming and killing them in job lots; while at the same time maintaining an education system that makes children stupider almost every year in addition to being over emotional and unthinking! Just follow the money!

Jim Masterson
Reply to  abolition man
February 13, 2024 12:06 am

Not to mention a government that doesn’t want early detection of cancer. The sooner you die, the cheaper you are.

abolition man
Reply to  Jim Masterson
February 13, 2024 12:24 am

As long as the approved people are profiting, the government will keep you alive! Once the funds or the insurance runs out the Ottawa Solution is used!

Reply to  abolition man
February 13, 2024 1:45 am

Please call it an idiot box: a ‘boob tube’ (at least in the UK) is something completely different and you’ll get a slap by the woman wearing it if you stare!

abolition man
Reply to  Richard Page
February 13, 2024 2:54 am

Richard,
I’d love to oblige, but so many more people are familiar with “boob tube” than “idiot box.” Plus, the former always gives a little extra thrill to those of us who are still boys at heart; even the ones who are transitioning!

MyUsername
Reply to  abolition man
February 13, 2024 7:04 am
MarkW
Reply to  MyUsername
February 13, 2024 11:12 am

It doesn’t take much to convince you.

BTW, isn’t it amazing how the first thing left wing governments do when they get power is to disarm the opposition.

juanslayton
Reply to  abolition man
February 13, 2024 10:03 pm

The right to arm bears…

This is hotly disputed by zookeepers. Has also been opposed by rural homeowners since the Goldilocks era…

MarkW
Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 13, 2024 11:08 am

Funny thing, there is absolutely no correlation between gun laws and crime rates.

Never in the history of the world, have gun/weapon laws resulted in a reduction in crime.
Though there are many cases where relaxing gun laws resulted in a reduction in crime.

BTW, with his/her record, she was not entitled to own a gun.

MyUsername
Reply to  MarkW
February 13, 2024 11:18 am

Though there are many cases where relaxing gun laws resulted in a reduction in crime.

Examples?

MarkW
Reply to  MyUsername
February 13, 2024 1:40 pm

THere was an entire book on the subject.

MarkW
Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 13, 2024 11:24 am

BTW, in the US, the places with the highest crime rates also have the toughest gun laws.

Reply to  Izaak Walton
February 13, 2024 2:29 pm

Get your facts straight. Among those nations for which data is available, Norway has the highest rate of mass shooting gun deaths, followed by Serbia, France, Slovakia and Switzerland. One can only guess about the rates in developing countries.

Reply to  pflashgordon
February 13, 2024 6:42 pm

That was a very iffy study – the USA was the only country that had mass shootings in all seven years that the statistics were collected, the others only had 1 (Norway) and a few for some of the others but the numbers of victims skewed the results.. You’re on safer ground by using statistics for gun crime – USA is not near the top on that, I think some Carribean countries are worse.

Reply to  Richard Page
February 14, 2024 3:09 pm

Lesson: never believe worldpopulationreview.com from which I obtained the data, even though they claim to be independent. They discussed the difficulties with estimating gun deaths, but they still published the study data from Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC), a pro-2nd Amendment group.

So it would appear that this, like many other politicized topics, is highly contested, with many competing measures, often bounded by political or social world view. In general, unless you can get consistent, multivariate data, normalized for population, comparisons are problematic. Just remember the difficulty obtaining believable data during the pandemic.

Even so, fact-free Izaak is a known, serial propagandist, and his assertions are at the least arguable, broad-brushed claims. For example – consider demographic impacts and differences. Here and abroad, mass shootings/murders (guns are just one way to kill), however defined, appear to be rising. This would likely be symptomatic of deeper problems as western culture is becoming more savage, something tighter gun control can’t fix.

MarkW
Reply to  Richard Page
February 14, 2024 7:09 pm

If you are going to count the number of incidents, the fact that the US has a much bigger population makes a difference.

Reply to  MarkW
February 14, 2024 8:23 pm

It wasn’t the number of incidents but the numbers of victims that skewed the results.

MarkW
Reply to  Jim Masterson
February 13, 2024 11:08 am

The shooter was a guy, dressed as a girl.

February 13, 2024 5:46 am

“… leftists firebombed my office…”

Hmmm… didn’t see that in the MSM… hmmmm

Bar Code
February 13, 2024 10:23 am
February 13, 2024 10:26 am

This is the response of criminals who have no facts or logic to support their cause, only force. They lack intellect and make up for it in cowardly acting out and violent tantrums. There should be no space for these people on the streets of a democratic nation.

February 13, 2024 2:01 pm

Firebombing is an acceptable form of dialog on the left.

Dave Burton
February 13, 2024 7:31 pm

The Climate Industry is becoming more and more like the Abortion Industry.

https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/firebombed-roe/

Reply to  Dave Burton
February 13, 2024 7:46 pm

Yes, except they want to murder millions to supposedly “save the planet” instead of openly for profit. Also, the climate industry as far as I know aren’t ghouls who murder babies to sell their body parts for profit, which is a little worse than dressing up as Nazis as the climate people like to do.

Andrew Hamilton
February 14, 2024 9:37 am

This is an example of despicable and wholly unacceptable behaviour. Sadly, we’ve come to expect it. Remember someone shot at Dr Roy Spencer and, or Dr John Christy’s office? Will they be dealt with properly by the justice system? Will they even be caught? What on earth kind of a world is it, when people think it’s acceptable to behave like this?

February 14, 2024 9:03 pm

I asked a fireman once what makes him suspicious of arson. He replied that the number one clue would be evidence of more than one source of ignition.

me shell
February 15, 2024 12:19 am

Sorry to see the violently climate activists are boldly trying to stop your work. Just started reading Iowa Climate Science Education posts and came across WUWT. Really felt great knowing I was not the only one questioning the insanity of these politicians wreaking havoc with the economies of so many nations and getting away with it while the masses seem blindly unaware of what is actually happening and unwilling to acknowledge or talk about it. I hope you and your colleagues stay safe. Please continue bringing us the latest news and facts. Thank you for all your hard work.
P.S. Vermont is a VERY far left controlled state with unfair voting habits which keep democrats in office…..high crime rate, drugs, and murders for small population….

MarkW
Reply to  me shell
February 15, 2024 10:12 am

The surety of swift and severe punishment does a lot more to control crime, than does gun control.