Grosskrotzenburg, Hesse, Germany - September 15, 2011: A working fossil-fuel power station. The Power station called Staudinger Kraftwerk, operator: EON Group.

Germany To Rely on Coal to Avoid Blackouts

From NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

Paul Homewood,

Exclusive: An internal SPD document reveals a shift by the Minister of Economics on the coal phase-out.


It was the big project for the green transformation of electricity generation in Germany – and perhaps the most dazzling energy policy project of Germany’s coalition government: After the nuclear phase-out and the targeted coal phase-out as early as possible, natural gas would serve as a bridge technology – towards a new, green electricity world in Germany.
This bridge was to a new electricity world in which renewable energy, especially sun and wind, set the pace. Angela Merkel had already marked this ‘turnaround’ as Chancellor. As “backup” for the dark doldrums, i.e. whenr the sun doesn’t shine enough and the wind doesn’t blow enough, new, highly efficient and, according to Economics Minister Habeck’s wishes, ideally hydrogen – in the future natural gas power plants would step to secure power supply.
This is the plan of the federal government and, above all, its Economics Minister Robert Habeck (Green Party). This plan also has a name: the so-called Power Plant Strategy. This strategy was intended to encourage the construction of new gas power plants in Germany with an output of at least 15 gigawatts, i.e. building at least 30 large power plants by 2030. Even this is quite a challenge. But then came Russia’s war against Ukraine. And then came the Federal Finance Minister’s austerity policy and, most recently, the budget crisis at the end of 2023.
But first things first: The Ukraine war quickly made it clear that natural gas for Germany was essentially only available via pipeline from Norway or in the form of liquefied natural gas (LNG) . Chemically speaking, LNG is natural gas, but it is liquid and 162 degrees cold. But it’s also pretty expensive and pretty dirty (sic).
For some, ‘expensive’ is a relative definition these days. Not dirty: In the USA, LNG is obtained through fracking, then has to be cooled down to minus 162 degrees using a lot of energy, and then transported laboriously and with high CO2 emissions across the world’s oceans and on tanker ships that use heavy oil and refinery waste as fuel.
At the North and Baltic Sea ports, the energy is to be fed into the German natural gas pipeline network via floating LNG terminals that were hastily purchased after the outbreak of war. At least one of these terminals had previously been decommissioned in Australia because the floating vehicle was anything but good for the coral reefs off the coast.
With the war, coal-fired power generation became en vogue again
Habeck’s plan for the green transformation of German electricity generation was therefore somewhat tarnished by Putin’s war. But overshadowed by a fog of war and so largely unnoticed by the wider public. Germany would become an LNG importer instead of buying piped natural gas from warmongers. The sabotage of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline was another decision-making event. Habeck’s plan seemed to have no alternative.
In the meantime, the Federal Minister of Economics has encountered a second problem with his plan. This time it’s more directly about money, namely German tax money. After the ministries and coalition partners had agreed on an initial concept for the Power Plant Strategy – which Habeck proudly announced in August – it became clear: As far as EU state aid law is concerned, the power plant strategy is not just massive problem, but it’s also quite expensive: 60 billion euros for 15 years. The Federal Minister of Finance will have already asked if it couldn’t be cheaper. And the question was already in the room: If nuclear power is no longer available to step into the breach, isn’t there an alternative to coal-fired power generation?
Reserve power plants are essentially coal-fired power plants
Then came the budget crisis. The Federal Ministry of Economics told members of the Bundestag’s Energy Committee that the Power Plant Strategy had been “shelved for the short term”. In the new plans for the federal budget, with adjustments announced on Wednesday, the financial resources for the strategy have been postponed by two years. So it’s essential for the next election period. Whether the strategy will return and what it may look like is more questionable than ever. It is now clear that this has apparently initiated a shift that could have existential significance for the Greens in the federal government.
In a draft of the SPD parliamentary group’s current work planning for the first half of 2024, which has been seen by the Berliner Zeitung and dated January 4th, the Power Plant Strategy is completely missing. This new work plan also reflects the plans of the Ministry of Economic Affairs led by Habeck. In the previous document for 2023, however, it was still included with the note that the schedule was “open”. Instead, the current SPD document talks about increasing the use of grid reserve power plants.
That sounds harmless to the layperson. Now reserve power plants are essentially coal-fired power plants. To be more precise, they are old power plants that have a good 40 years or more under their belt and whose electricity generation is fuelled by lignite or hard coal. These are power plants that should actually have been decommissioned long ago, but which were forbidden from being shut down by the Federal Network Agency, led by the President Klaus Müller (Green Party), in order to ensure security of supply and electricity network stability.
The likely manouver, which is revealed by the document from the SPD parliamentary group, is anything but without reason: Since the new gas power plants are not materialising as desired, the coal for electricity generation should not only be on the grid under the fig leaf of the reserve remain, but are even used more intensively.
There is undoubtedly rationality in this: the year 2030 is moving more and more out of reach as the desired date for the coal phase-out. But German dependence on expensive and dirty LNG will be reduced. And Germany will be less susceptible to blackmail geopolitically – keyword diversification. Betting everything on LNG would be understandably risky given the US elections.
The question of whether the old coal piles can fulfil their role as a replacement for a failed gas power plant strategy and as a geopolitical bargaining chip is one question – and ultimately, above all, a technical question. The other is whether Habeck and the Green Party will survive in the next elections, having sacrificed the ambitious goals of phasing out coal to such constraints. The plan announced by Habeck in a Maischberger broadcast in October to no longer be dependent on the coal reserve in the winter of 2024/25 is obviously not working. In any case, Habeck now has a lot to explain to his audience.

Translation Net Zero Watch

https://netzerowatch.us4.list-manage.com/track/click

As I suggested the other day, regarding the EU’s 2030 targets, reality will trump green fantasy.

In Germany’s case, that means increasing coal power to replace both nuclear and gas power.

Pay particular attention to this gem:

Now reserve power plants are essentially coal-fired power plants. To be more precise, they are old power plants that have a good 40 years or more under their belt and whose electricity generation is fueled by lignite or hard coal. These are power plants that should actually have been decommissioned long ago, but which were forbidden from being shut down by the Federal Network Agency, led by the President Klaus Müller (Green Party), in order to ensure security of supply and electricity network stability.

In other words, the gigantic tranche of new coal power stations built in the last decade will carry on as baseload regardless.

The back up for intermittent renewables will come from 40 year old plants, which should have been shut down already.

But this paragraph has most relevance to the UK:

So how can morons like Skidmore and Miliband possibly justify stopping all further development of North Sea gas, if they really are so concerned about emissions?

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megs
January 12, 2024 10:26 pm

“Habeck’s secret plan: Economics Minister suddenly wants to rely on dirty coal”

I wish Australia had a secret plan to return to dirty coal. We would use far less of it if we burnt it ourselves rather than sending it to China to build renewables for us and the rest of the planet. And if they think that C02 is a problem then we’d be saving on the shipping emissions too.

Reply to  megs
January 13, 2024 12:53 am

The UK in typical British fashion has closed and demolished virtually all its coal fired generation, mines and the rail links between them.
To say we’re being run by idiots is really being unkind yo genuine idiots

Bigus Macus
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
January 13, 2024 1:17 am

They have been doing the same thing in the U.S. for while. Not far from where I live there was a good size coal plant, but it was torn down during the Obama Regime.

Reply to  Bigus Macus
January 13, 2024 4:06 am

Here in Wokeachusetts- whenever they shut down a coal plant, the first thing they’d do is blow up the chimney- and do it with a grand celebration- after all, they’re saving the planet! /sarc

Rich Davis
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 13, 2024 4:57 am

Basically the same action for the same motivation as when the taliban blew up ancient Buddha statues in Afghanistan. A show of religious zeal.

Scissor
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 13, 2024 5:38 am

I wonder why they haven’t done that to the Valmont power station outside of Boulder. Coal trains stop there no more as it’s been converted to natural gas.

Reply to  Scissor
January 13, 2024 6:18 am

Doesn’t a gas plant also need a chimney?

Drake
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 13, 2024 7:27 am

Nothing compared to a coal plant. All a gas plant produces is H2O and CO2 and for combined cycle, a little waste heat. There is one older (1992) and multiple newer gas plants N of Vegas. The coordinates for the old one. Google Earth shows short stacks.

36°25’50″N 114°54’11″W

One of the newer ones, built in 2006. 1,102 MW plant. You can see the shadow of the 4 stacks, Not very tall.

36°22’57″N 114°55’21″W

No chimney on your stove or oven, a vent for your gas furnace and water heater. A gas dryer exhausts through the same vent as an electric one. 90%+ gas appliances use plastic vents because the exhaust condenses and the condensate is slightly acidic so bad for metal.

Our cabin has Propane. The furnace if 90+ and the water heater is an instantaneous Rinnai. Both vented with plastic. The vents are forced and horizontal with a slope for the condensate to drain.

Google Earth the area and see all the massive destruction for the installation of solar crap. If you go there, note that as you back out the solar plants begin to look brown instead of black then disappear. Is that a real natural effect of satellite photography or is it Google?

There are about 6 Combined Cycle gas plants in the same area. The Kern River natural gas pipeline runs from Wyoming to California and passes through this area, thus the location of all the gas plants. Amazing thing is that both the pipeline and the gas plants required NO federal Money. All the construction was funded through FREE ENTERPRISE. And every one is providing a needed service at a reasonable price and makes a reasonable profit.

A second parallel Kern pipeline was completed about 3 years ago. They had NO problems getting licensed for the second pipe. During the Obama Administration. Owned by Berkshire Hathaway, i.e. Warren Buffet. What a surprise! Buffet supported Obama!! So both free enterprise assisted by crony capitalism!!!

Scissor
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 13, 2024 7:39 am

Yeah, but they are shorter because they don’t have to worry about scrubbing.

Reply to  Scissor
January 13, 2024 7:20 am

The coal trains don’t stop at Valmont, but the train companies were handed lots of business by the cancellation of the Keystone XL oil pipeline from Canada. It’s part of the climate justice program in Bidenomics.

Reply to  DMacKenzie
January 13, 2024 12:12 pm

You mean $justice $program

Reply to  DMacKenzie
January 14, 2024 5:39 pm

Those “train companies”… do you imply that Mr. Buffet is finally making some $$?

Reply to  Scissor
January 13, 2024 12:11 pm

The Valmont station is at least 55 years old. Even with gas, it can do no more than 35% efficiency.

It should be shut down and replaced by CCGTs, which have efficiencies of up to 60%

Reply to  Bigus Macus
January 13, 2024 6:01 am

Yes, it’s part of the plan. When the inevitable economic and social disaster of expensive, unreliable power can no longer be ignored the next phase will be the construction of “modern”, state of the art generating stations that will use hydrocarbon energy just as they have in the past. The cost of these plants and ancillaries will be profits for the designers, builders and operators, There’s a reason why utilities are enthusiastic about closing existing plants. They will be at the front of their replacement in the near future.

ballynally
Reply to  Ben Vorlich
January 13, 2024 2:53 am

And you have to remember it was started under mrs Thatcher/conservatives in the 1970s. Remember the miners’ strikes. Hugely supported by…Labour. And look at Labour now, in full support of ‘renewables’.

sherro01
Reply to  ballynally
January 13, 2024 3:20 am

Oh come off it ballynally,
Thatcher Derangement Syndrome is alive and well. Maybe it is time for reality to emerge and put it to bed.
I mean, the most I now recall about Dame Margaret’s time in office was the clever play on words “Anyone for Dennis?”
Geoff S

Drake
Reply to  sherro01
January 13, 2024 7:40 am

Much as the Reagan derangement.

Stupidest POTUS ever. Controlled by a hidden Cabal. To this day, the MSM badmouths him. His reelection was a 49 state landslide.

Drake
Reply to  sherro01
January 13, 2024 7:40 am

Maggie and Ronnie, what a great team.

Drake
Reply to  ballynally
January 13, 2024 7:37 am

Funny, LOL. I recently (About 5 years ago) read a book on Thatcher. It covered the coal miner’s strike. It mentioned how Thatcher had the coal power plants pile up large amounts of coal to last 3 or 4 months so that the miners would need to strike till it really hurt THEM before the rest of the UK population would be directly effected. IIRC, the government owned both the coal mines and the coal power plants so she could do the stockpiling before the strike.

No wonder the libs hated her. Her plan worked. The miners agreed to a somewhat reasonable contract, and the electrical output never suffered. So the left hated Thatcher because she was too much of a good thing??

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOVP.C19Ggq8wZHFIo34f0iz7UAEsDh%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=35f20002934108e15a77ff6ae128ded9f5671b1371cae5bc9efc9ea6c99ae36f&ipo=videos

Bil
Reply to  Drake
January 13, 2024 8:18 am

Stockpile was a year’s worth.
something that needs to be remembered, labour governments closed more coal mines than conservative governments.

Reply to  Drake
January 14, 2024 5:42 pm

 So the left hated Thatcher because she was too much of a good thing??” Gosh! That sounds a lot like someone today.

January 12, 2024 10:30 pm

‘But then came Russia’s war against Ukraine.’

Are you saying the entire scheme to economically transition Germany from nuclear and fossil fuels to hydrogen would have gone off like clockwork but for Russia’s nefarious and completely unpredictable invasion of Ukraine?

missoulamike
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
January 12, 2024 10:57 pm

Habeck and his crew obviously assumed that…..

ballynally
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
January 13, 2024 2:58 am

Hydrogen always comes up as the gap filler. Even though it actually takes a lot of dirty energy to produce it, is highly inefficient and hard to transport w serious questions about structural vulnerabilities (pipes etc).
As always, the future/ technology is supposed to sort that all out. Would it be too much to call it hopium?

Reply to  ballynally
January 13, 2024 4:08 am

hype-drogen

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 13, 2024 12:24 pm

Amen

Rich Davis
Reply to  ballynally
January 13, 2024 5:05 am

It might be hopelessly inefficient and ruinously expensive to the point of being essentially infeasible technically, but hey, it’s only temporary until fusion makes another fifty or sixty billion ‘major breakthroughs’ and ushers in unlimited utopia, world without capitalism, Amen.

Drake
Reply to  ballynally
January 13, 2024 8:03 am

Excellent article on Hydrogen cars in the US, California only.

https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a41103863/hydrogen-cars-fcev/

It mentions that hydrogen is produced from methane, with CO2 as a waste product, LOL.

No, I don’t think hydrogen vehicles make sense. They can only be economical if highly subsidized.

Per mile equivalent of hydrogen is 5 to 8+ dollars per gallon of gas.

“If you’re in California, and you’re interested in a zero-emission vehicle powered by an electric motor, a hydrogen vehicle may be worth considering.”

But of course it is NOT a zero-emission vehicle, no more than an EV is, since the production of the hydrogen creates emissions, just at the production of electricity to charge EV batteries does.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  ballynally
January 13, 2024 9:48 am

According to the IEA ‘Global Hydrogen Review 2023’ (Revised version Dec 2023) the number of announced projects for producing hydrogen is “rapidly expanding” and there may as much as 28 Mt of annual production by 2030.

However “only 4% (2Mt) of this potential production has taken a final investment decision (FID)”

Germany has the largest fleet of hydrogen powered trains but has faced huge problems in recent months with chaos and cancellations and several states have said they will no longer replace their diesel trains with hydrogen ones and look for alternatives.

Hopium is alive and well 🙂

michael hart
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
January 13, 2024 4:25 am

“And Germany will be less susceptible to blackmail geopolitically – keyword diversification.”

The author also seems to have missed the delicious irony of reversal. In the event, the club of the West attempted, unsuccessfully, to geopolitically blackmail Russia and then blow up the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

Yet all this failed to destroy the Russian economy.
The Austrian Corporal was also famously of the opinion that all he had to do was kick in the front door and the whole Russian house would collapse. It now appears he was not the last person to make this mistake.

Reply to  Frank from NoVA
January 13, 2024 12:23 pm

Actually, according to the Austrian foreign minister, who has a ringside seat, the invasion was highly predictable, after the US took over Ukraine, with a Coup d’Etat in Kiev, in 2014, and made it into a client state to fight a proxy war with foreign weapons and money, to weaken Russia, so it will fall apart again, as in 1991.

However, Russia did not fall apart, despite sanctions, and is increasingly tearing Ukraine to shreds.
The foreign minister used the words “major miscalculation by the West”. Just google

Try to live with reality.
Do not look at TV or read newspapers
It is so much easier and more profitable.

Bryan A
January 12, 2024 11:32 pm

Despite their rumblings and protestations I’d wager many Germans will be very happy to flip their wall switch and have their lights respond as well as having their thermostats function to maintain whatever heat they’re allowed

Scissor
Reply to  Bryan A
January 13, 2024 6:07 am

Especially when they realize they’ve been scammed.

Reply to  Scissor
January 13, 2024 12:26 pm

Vote the entire cabal of leftists out, to put an end to all of it.
Seal the border and deport all who came in after Biden took the Oath

Bryan A
Reply to  wilpost
January 13, 2024 7:36 pm

They should also consider the more than…
24,000 Chinese Nationals that have crossed our southern border
190 individuals (as of July 2023) on the terror watch list trying to cross up from 2 in 2019
Or the thousands from Egypt, Afghanistan, Iran and Syria

That data, confirmed by multiple CBP sources and reflects apprehensions between ports of entry between October 2021 and October 2023, shows that agents encountered 6,386 nationals from Afghanistan in that period as well as 3,153 from Egypt, 659 from Iran and 538 from Syria

Or the thousands from Sudan trying to enter via Haiti

January 13, 2024 12:38 am

Confused!! Tried opening up from email and I received a notification
‘429 Too Many Requests’. Any one else?

Screenshot-2024-01-12-232458
Reply to  climedown
January 13, 2024 1:43 am

Yeah I get that sometimes. I put it down to using a VPN.

Reply to  PariahDog
January 13, 2024 2:55 am

I don’t use a VPN and have gotten that same error before. It’s a software glitch, which also included the loss of the “edit” function, that started occurring after the last software update.

Software updates sometimes break more than they fix.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Tom Abbott
January 13, 2024 9:53 am

Same here

Reply to  climedown
January 13, 2024 3:41 am

‘429 Too Many Requests’. Any one else?

I got one of those, for the first time in over 20 years browsing the Internet using various computer systems, with WUWT a few months back after a series of “right-mouse click, select the ‘Open link in new tab’ option” operations from the main page.

I have not seen it since (so far).

It startled me as well, but a quick check says that particular error comes from the “rate-limiting scheme” implemented by either the WUWT server (cluster) or their ISP, and is not in fact due to the “client / end-user” computer (despite it being in the “4xx client errors” set of HTTP status codes).

The “solution” is to simply click on the “Refresh Page” button of your browser … well, it worked for me, once, at least …

strativarius
Reply to  climedown
January 13, 2024 5:06 am

I got it. The usual wordpress bugs….

Ron Long
January 13, 2024 1:33 am

Reality is always waiting in the shadows to come out and be seen. Maybe it is too late to stop decommissioning the nuclear plants?

Reply to  Ron Long
January 13, 2024 2:57 am

Scrapping Germany’s nuclear powerplants has to be one of the dumbest things the German government has done. Pure stupidty.

Reply to  Ron Long
January 13, 2024 3:24 am

Yes, I’m afraid that particular hope sailed off over the horizon a long, long time ago.

Nuclear energy is verboten in Germany.

cgh
Reply to  Ron Long
January 13, 2024 5:46 am

Much too late. Once you start down the road of decommissioning, it’s nearly impossible to reverse course. Plant components will have decayed or been dismantled.

Of course it was all stupid. But this is what happens when one of your Chancellors is bribed by the enemy (Gerhard Schroeder) and your political system is infiltrated by the KGB (Yuri Andropov).

Drake
Reply to  cgh
January 13, 2024 8:19 am

Don’t forget this all started under the communist raised and trained Merkel. A very competent politician that was able to sandbag the German people for 20 years.

Her goal was aways to bring Germany down to below the level of Russia. Her gas pipelines from Russia intended to put Germany under Russia’s thumb. I think she succeeded until the pipeline was blown by WHO???

I am beginning to think that even though the German populace may be very capable in the engineering and scientific fields, they are really stupid when it comes to understanding WHAT their politicians really want to do, and how BAD the outcomes will be for THEM.

Of course the parliamentary system allows and actual minority to control the government. Especially when EVERYONE calls any libertarian or nationalist party FAR Right and Extremist, therefore never to be considered for a coalition government. This maintains the radical left as the linchpin of any coalition.

Reply to  Drake
January 13, 2024 12:32 pm

OMG, you are so off the reservation
Merkel has a PhD in Physics, is a good politician.
She was totally screwed by the US, which bugged her phones and blew up her pipelines.
That sorry situation was handed to the leftist cabal of Scholz, who has in his cabinet a set of total idiots, including Heiberg

cgh
Reply to  Drake
January 13, 2024 2:10 pm

Drake, Germany has a well-established history of stupid collective decisions which goes back centuries. The tinkering with the NSDAP was a spectacularly bad idea which killed millons. But then, mass death is the usual consequence of socialism taken to its logical endpoints. Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot all were exponents of this ideology.

What remarkable is that socialism still has its supporters even today after its dreadful consequences.

As for Merkel, she was just another of Germany’s leaders, like Schroeder, who had taking the KGB bait, hook, line and sinker.

Reply to  Ron Long
January 13, 2024 7:30 am

Nuclear is expensive up front but pays off in the second half of its useful life.
https://youtu.be/cbeJIwF1pVY?si=PefpU0NnTlDm41IU

January 13, 2024 1:46 am

The way things are going the SPD aren’t going to be around after the next election. I don’t know what the AfD have in mind, but my guess is they won’t be going along with the wind-and-solar-uber-alles philosophy.

Rod Evans
January 13, 2024 2:02 am

You ask the question how can Miliband and Skidmore correctly spelled Skidmark in deference to his commonly used name in parliament, want to stop North Sea activities? The reason, those two clowns want to stop drilling and pumping oil and gas, is because they are encouraged and possibly paid to advance the WEF policy i.e. destroy Western energy independence.
The bigger question is why the useful idiots like the two aforementioned characters want to destroy their own society? Do they imagine they will be exempted from the negative social fall out they are promoting and imposing on others?

ballynally
Reply to  Rod Evans
January 13, 2024 3:05 am

Well, if your own future does not rely on your location it makes it easy for politicians to follow a political narrative in the knowledge that they themselves will be able to secure a position in a supra national business or institution (WEF, WHO, UN, NGO or multinational corp) no matter what. Failed policy? Never mind, move upwards, go to Davos, be a Leader!

ballynally
Reply to  ballynally
January 13, 2024 3:08 am

And to add: ex politician..now on the board of (fill in whatever appropriate). They can monatize their connections.

Reply to  ballynally
January 13, 2024 10:06 am

Which is what Skidmark will have to do now he’s quit Parliament in a strop.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Rod Evans
January 13, 2024 9:58 am

Miliband does it because he is an intellectual pygmy in comparison to his father and brother and he knows it so he has to make a ‘mark’ in some other way.

ballynally
January 13, 2024 2:50 am

How much irony is there in shutting down nuclear power plants in favour of dirty coal and imported LNG by a Green minister even during the Ukraine conflict?
The whole Green Party ideology is underpinned by the anti nuclear stance. It is their a priori default position. Reality cannot move it. They rather go dirty coal. It is so obvious to everyone. However, the Greens in Germany are embedded in the country’s politics.

January 13, 2024 2:50 am

From the article: These are power plants that should actually have been decommissioned long ago, but which were forbidden from being shut down by the Federal Network Agency, led by the President Klaus Müller (Green Party), in order to ensure security of supply and electricity network stability.

Damn! There is someone in the German government who has a little bit of sense! Maybe there’s hope.

oeman50
Reply to  Tom Abbott
January 13, 2024 7:34 am

Many (if not a majority) of coal plants in the US are over 40 years old. They have been continually maintained and upgraded with required pollution controls.

sherro01
January 13, 2024 3:16 am

Paul,
Nice article about Germany and gases, but what is that sentence all about, the decommissioned Australian platform that was “anything but good for coral reefs off the coast”?
Link? Has it been shown that gases like methane harm corals, or was someone doing the all-too-common knee jerk twist that anything conceivably fearful is by definition bad for coral?
Geoff S

Reply to  sherro01
January 13, 2024 10:25 am

Not entirely sure. The only connection I’ve been able to find is that Germany has managed to ‘snare’ at least one regasification vessel (an LNG ship with an extra regasification plant on board) from Australian service to it’s new floating LNG terminal. Not sure what the connection to the GBR is though.

Richard Greene
January 13, 2024 3:49 am

Ot would be sensible to gradually replace coal with nuclear power. Mainly to reduce coal ash pollution.

China is replacing old coal plants with new cleaner coal plants due to their urban air pollution problem

It takes bassackwards engineering thinking to replace nuclear power with coal as Germany is doing.

Does Germany still burn lignite?

Thus lignite remains the second most important power source in Germany. Lignite still enjoys a competitive advantage on the energy market mainly for three reasons: It is mined very near the power stations and therefore cheap to produce and use for utilities.

Lignite or brown coal is brown in colour and the lowest quality of coal. The carbon content of lignite ranges from 65-70%, therefore, compared to other types of coal it contains the greatest amount of compounds other than carbon—such as sulfur and mercury.

Dean S
Reply to  Richard Greene
January 13, 2024 11:20 pm

And here was this old coal mining engineer who went through his career thinking brown coal had carbon content of 25 to 30%…….

Very good thermal coal only has low 50%s carbon content.

All those analysis reports must have been wrong.

January 13, 2024 4:05 am

“So how can morons like Skidmore and Miliband possibly justify stopping all further development of North Sea gas, if they really are so concerned about emissions?”

Is there much gas left in the North Sea? Just curious- as I have no idea.

Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 13, 2024 10:32 am

Yes Joseph, quite a lot as it happens.

strativarius
January 13, 2024 4:49 am

I suppose we can call the erratic deindustrialisation policies in Germany as the Habeck process. It isn’t plain sailing for Habeck anymore.

“The splendid solitude of the tiny North Sea island of Hooge was a momentary refuge from the waves of political tumult buffeting his country. But when Germany’s vice chancellor Robert Habeck returned from his holiday on Thursday, a group of furious farmers prevented his ferry from docking on the mainland. 

Others were less diplomatic in their response. Cem Özdemir, minister for the sector, went on the morning programme of Germany’s public broadcaster ARD and called the protesters ‘fanatics’ who have ‘wet dreams of insurrection’. The government called the incident ‘shameful’. 

Of course threatening behaviour towards politicians is utterly deplorable, but behind these desperate measures is desperate fear. “
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-german-farmers-are-taking-on-the-ruling-coalition/

But it isn’t climate fear.

CampsieFellow
January 13, 2024 4:51 am

The next Federal election in Germany is not due until 25 October 2025. So much can change between now and then. But if the support for each party remains much the same over the next 21 months, there only seems to be one possible coalition scenario which would have a majority of seats.
The CDU/CSU are currently at 31% in the opinion polls. Not enough for a majority. They would need coalition partners. Who could they be? The AfD is currently on 22% but it seems unlikely that the CDU/CSU would form a coalition with them. The SPD is currently languishing on only 13%. A CDU/CSU/SPD coalition would lack a majority. The FDP is on only 4%. That would be too low for them to win any seats. That only leaves the Greens, currently on 14%, much the same as they got at the last election. Things could change dramatically over the next 21 months, but a coalition which includes the Green Party is a distinct possibility after the next election

strativarius
Reply to  CampsieFellow
January 13, 2024 5:09 am

Harold Wilson once said: “a week is a long time in politics” and that was a good 40 years before the digital age began…

MichaelK
January 13, 2024 5:44 am

No amount of wishful thinking will overcome physics. Net Zero is heading for a big crash. Meanwhile, politicians continue to virtue signal, promoting ruinous “green” energy schemes at bill and tax payers expense, because they won’t be around when the Net Zero boondoggle hits the buffers.

January 13, 2024 6:03 am

Germany was in a better position intellectually and economically when Prince Bismarck and Kaiser Bill were running the show.

adaptune
January 13, 2024 8:08 am

Better coal than freezing, but WHY did they shut down their nuclear power plants? Dumb beyond belief!

Bruce Cobb
January 13, 2024 8:42 am

Coal plants can operate considerably longer than 40 years. Merrimack Station, in Bow NH, the last remaining coal plant in New England was built in the 60’s, making it around 60 years old, and there is talk of continuing it for another 20 years. The only shame is that it is operated less than 10% of the time, only being used as a “peaker plant”. The anti-coalers have done a great deal of damage to the grid. We are way too reliant on NG or LNG, whose supply and prices can fluctuate wildly. In winter especially, there is always the possibility of a grid failure.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
January 13, 2024 11:17 am

Coal plants, like all industrial facilities, require regular maintenance over the years. Piping wears out and must be replaced, complete boilers have been replaced, turbines develop issues and must be examined and reconditioned. In fact, plants are continuously being maintained and repaired from the day that they are put into service. A hydrocarbon energy plant can only be made obsolete by subtle changes that could make it more expensive to operate than a newer design. Taxes and rates are probably a factor as well.

Dean S
Reply to  general custer
January 13, 2024 11:26 pm

Maintenance strategies change. I did some work at Bayswater plant in NSW and because of the changing economics they had moved from a preventative to breakdown strategy. Maintenance was the only real lever they had to change their cost structure. Given they were pilloried and told they would be shutdown a lot of the longer term maintenance made little sense to do.

As an example many pumps had 2 backup systems. They guys I worked with said they used to always have one fully ready to be operated. When I was there for many of the systems neither backup was operational.

January 13, 2024 9:54 am

So, the German greens shut down the last of their nuclear plants and started up their old “reserve” coal (lignite) fired plants, while experiencing “under subscription” at their onshore wind power auctions. But, solar auction purchases, despite the winter capacity factor being around 5%, remain popular (because of the subsidies). Got it.

Robertvd
January 13, 2024 11:04 am

The moment they realize they themselves will be without power everything changes. Just like flying around in private jets.

Dean S
Reply to  Robertvd
January 13, 2024 11:27 pm

IF they had to fly commercial that would be enough!

Bob
January 13, 2024 1:18 pm

Very nice.

Government is incapable of running the energy production business. They need to stop now, get the hell out of the way of those who really know how to produce energy and by what method.

Fire up all fossil fuel and nuclear generators, build new fossil fuel and nuclear generators, remove all wind and solar from the grid.

January 13, 2024 3:09 pm

If only the UK still had the flexibility to switch to coal, as we did during the Fukushima crisis when coal was substituted extensively for gas.

UK-Electricity-Percent
Corrigenda
January 20, 2024 3:46 am

Whoever managed to hold back on destroying these coal plants when the idiotic parties rushed to try and shut down the use of ‘fossil’ fuels deserves a medal and should be brought into government. Especially since we now know that most coal, gas and oil is not really ‘fossil’ based after all. Other planets have such and it develops naturally as well as by fossil processes..