Disgusting! I bet these people use FF every day all their lives, and have NO solar panels on the roof and most drive SUVs. They always want to vilify “big greedy corporations” but I bet if you look at their 401k plans and stock holdings they have plenty. They have a desire to virtue signal in public. A bunch of fakirs.
They must be a bunch of simple minded academics at a university! Note in the background are people wearing signs, both FLOOD and DROUGHT, so climate change can cause opposites, which tells me this is a religion.
At least a priest is consistent when performing his duties around the church.
This is a photo op costume that I was making fun of.
Does Michael Mann wear a lab coat in his office or at his computer?
I would say ‘Don’t give up the day job’ but then who would employ these people?
John Aqua
December 15, 2023 6:40 am
People who want to be actors but are so bad, the only stage they’re allowed to act is the misinformation climate change bandwagon where they can spew and vomit the lies of the fanatics. These idiots have bought into the myths hook, line and sinker. Pathetic.
They believe they are funny, they believe they are good actors, they believe they are meaningful and insightful, they believe they are right. Their beliefs are all delusions.
Tom Halla
December 15, 2023 6:46 am
Really stupid commie scum
Ron Long
December 15, 2023 7:07 am
Aluminum baseball bats were invented to take care of nonsense like this. Gotta love that sound.
Having comments like this appearing here (and getting up-voted) makes it difficult to refer my friends and relatives to this site for the sceptical arguments.
@mods, this one might not actually violate this site’s code of conduct, but if does, do us all a favour. And if it doesn’t, the code of conduct could use some work.
makes it difficult to refer my friends and relatives to this site
If they don’t understand that ANY place where people gather, online or in person, will have its share of jerks* who should be ignored, they will most likely also have difficulty grasping the skeptical viewpoint.
* I am speaking in general, not about any specific person.
I was half expecting Peter Kalmus to be there, but I didn’t see him in the skit. The performance looks and sounds like something he might take part in as a member of Scientists Rebellion.
I didn’t think science needed sophomoric skits to make a point. Data should do it. When the facts aren’t on your side, do burlesque.
morfu03
December 15, 2023 7:23 am
Well.. it´s art.. or at least trying to be.
All the yelling and aww performance aside, the valid arguments from both sides seems to be
cheap energy is the backbone of our economy and we will not do so wel lwithout it
anthropogennic CO2 contributes to natural desasters as the IPCC report shows
I ma pretty sure I didnt miss much important with these two points.
Unfortunately, only one of the arguments is true!
Especially in the light of Alimonti´s findings that the natural disasters do NOT seem to show an anthropogenic signal (and the IPCC generally uses very careful language when is comes to the attribution of natural disasters).
In a rational level this play seems to make a very clear argument.
I am pretty sure I am getting the meaning of both statements correctly from that clip (and also wrote clearly that only one of them seems to be factually correct).
and also that these two are the only remotely meaningful things to extract from these 5min waste of time.
>> BTW, quote the passages from the IPCC that “shows” the second phony claim.
Here are some examples of the language used in the last IPCC report regarding extreme weather events: https://www.ipcc.ch/srocc/chapter/chapter-6/
However, as I stated above these findings (as well as the video above) does not account for the findings from Alimonti et al., which changes the perspective significantly as the trends in extreme weather events likely seem simply an accounting error.
hmmm… a parody of the climate nut jobs might be very funny
Shytot
December 15, 2023 7:41 am
I’d have to say that their performance (although pitiful) still looks more professional less amateurish than anything I’ve seen from the settled science experts.
Out of the 3 pillars of the climate cult I’d put these jokers into the category of either ignorant or deluded as opposed to being fraudulent.
Reading their lines from a scrappy bit of paper was a rather good authentic touch, I thought – it really highlighted the painfully amateurish level of the climate scientist. Also the complete absence of anyone willing to listen to them was very typical, again they were right on the money with that.
Composites of different North Atlantic SST states show that events with a negative tendency of North Atlantic SSTs are often followed by positive European T2m anomalies during summers when the North Atlantic SSTs are persistently low for several months. Enhanced lower–tropospheric baroclinicity in the North Atlantic is followed during these events by a slantwise ascent and an enhanced upper–tropospheric waveguide, promoting a downstream development of an European ridge. A combination of a wave number 3 pattern and regionally confined Rossby wave activity contribute to a trough–ridge pattern in the North Atlantic–European sector. A composite of European heat events further confirms the lagged statistical relationship between cold North Atlantic SSTs with a negative tendency and positive European T2m anomalies. A negative tendency of North Atlantic SSTs precedes 15 of 18 European heat events, and cold North Atlantic SST conditions are present during 14 of 18 European heat events
Heatwaves in Europe because of CO2 ?
No, because of decreasing SST in North Atlantic.
They can’t make it in academics, can’t keep useful jobs they she sure as hell can’t make it as entertainers. The whole lot of them will almost certainly swell the welfare lines once wealthy eco activist organizations run our of money to fund this nonsense.
If they’re lucky they can use those white lab-coats as overalls in a job as a cleaner.
Perhaps we should’ve sent someone round with a placard saying “0/10 – Dole queue on Monday morning.” Just so they get the idea, so it doesn’t come as a complete shock to the little darlings.
“the most puerile half-wits the world have ever seen.“
Look at Mickey Mann, Dessler, etc etc etc…… you certainly nailed that comment 🙂
Dave Yaussy
December 15, 2023 8:17 am
This is wonderful. It is unintended self-parody of the highest order. We have already lost, and will never have, people who think this is insightful light theater. For anyone other than a true believer who runs into this amateurish schtick, it’s going to be a clear reason to run the other way.
I had a co-worker who bragged of being a Communist, not a Stalinist. Her husband put on a little play about Castro and Brezhnev that was actually watchable. Nonsense politics, but genuinely funny and entertaining. Also only half an hour or so. These guys could learn a thing or two about entertainment first, propaganda last.
From the video, on the left side, role-playing the oil executives – “glorified lab rats in white coats.” Hey, these scientists wrote their own script! LOL.
Say, Mr. Dibbell, about 2 (?) months ago, you (IIRC) were planning to write one of your excellent, data-driven, articles for WUWT. I haven’t seen it published. Did I miss it?
Hello Janice Moore, thank you for remembering!
I posted about it here twice recently on the open thread pages. More work is needed to put it into essay form for submission here at WUWT as a main post.
I would most gladly take any comments or suggestions from you on what I am trying to get across from the fundamentals of energy and motion in the atmosphere, from authoritative sources.
I just uploaded the video to Youtube. The full text of the Twitter post is copied there, along with additional background, in the description box. Here is the link. https://youtu.be/hDurP-4gVrY
(((APPLAUSE!))) Oh, well done! VERY well done! That you achieved the honor of being slapped with the CO2 scammers’ propaganda banner is evidence of your being RIGHT-OVER-THE-TARGET.
Oh, to answer your question, no. I have no Twitter/X account.
When I have time to review your above documents, I will be commenting. Happy to! 😀
Well, I will begin by apologizing for not doing better justice to your painstaking work. The cause of this is twofold: 1) I didn’t take the time necessary do a better job; and 2) I am not knowledgeable enough to do an in-depth analysis/review. I hope that someone like Dr. Patrick Frank (try asking him — he is very kind and might be a lot of help to you — I believe his email is in a slide in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THg6vGGRpvA&t=45s ).
I also want to mention that I am willing to proofread/edit (for clarity and readability) if you need that. Just get a mod to give you my email address. This comment is my permission.
So, finally, here is my little attempt at commenting about your excellent analysis. I am honored that you are interested in anything I might have to say about it.
Re-write/Suggestions
Issue: Is the effect of CO2 on atmospheric energy (or temperature) measurable?
Implication: If not, there is no basis for the conjecture that CO2 (much less human CO2 which is only about 4% of total atmospheric CO2 (cite)) meaningfully affects the energy or temperature of Earth’s atmosphere.
Facts:
1. Climate is simply weather trends over a long enough time to be meaningful (at least 30 years).
2. Weather intensity is determined by energy:
(1) kinetic
(2) potential (3) internal (4) latent energy of water vapor
3. Energy Dynamics (1) Potential and internal energy can change directly into kinetic energy. (2) Latent energy can change into internal energy which then changes into kinetic energy.
(3) The conversion between kinetic energy and internal+potential energy is one of the hourly parameters in the ERA5 reanalysis product of the ECMWF (European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts).
[INSERT: formula using the below-defined parameters]
4. Changes of the potential energy P and the internal energy l of
the whole atmosphere are approximately proportional (as shown by hydrostatic approximation), thus, it is proper to regard potential and internal as a single form of energy: Total Potential Energy (Margules, 1903).
5. Kinetic energy dissipates and is then re-generated using potential energy. Potential energy is generated by heating.
6. Energy is “conserved,” i.e., the total amount of energy will remain exactly the same forever.
Equation 7.1 expresses a basic statement of the Law of Conservation of Energy: “Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.” (Equation 7.1: Conservation of energy)
(https://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/EP/Duffy_EP_2013_ch07.pdf )
8. The conversion of energy (in both directions) between kinetic and internal+potential experienced in the atmosphere is hundreds to thousands of times greater than the ~4 W/m^2 incremental “warming” effect of a doubling of CO2.
9. The effect of increasing the IR (Infrared Radiation) absorbing ability of the clear atmosphere does not result in “warming,” per se, but in expansion (altitude/potential energy) and motion (kinetic energy.)
10. The incremental, logarithmic (i.e., each additional molecule of CO2 has increasingly less and less of an effect), tiny, effect of incremental CO2 cannot be measured reliably enough to attribute any warming trend on land or in the oceans.
Illustration The plot of the minimum, median, and maximum ERA5 “vertical integral of energy conversion” for just one day for all longitudes at 45N latitude. Conclusion The core error of CAGW is: assuming that heat energy (internal) MUST accumulate in the atmosphere and, then, on land and in the oceans from the tiny effect CO2 can possibly have.
Oh, Mr. Dibbell (and you may call me “Janice” if you like), you are so very welcome for that. Thank you for taking the time to let me know you saw it. 🙂
Pretty low frequency 🙂 With hourly data, let’s see – that would be 1/3600 Hz. I wonder what the frequency was for that “magma displacement” that was played at high speed to be heard on the seaman’s headphones in “Hunt for Red October” to detect the “caterpillar drive” on sonar.
Here ya go — a fitting parallel: Dibbell’s graph = freedom (from climate fraudster tyranny)
AND
The Sound of Freedom!🙂
strativarius
December 15, 2023 8:36 am
Talking of funny
JUST STOP OIL’S CAROL SINGERS ESCORTED BY POLICE AWAY FROM STARMER’S FAMILY HOME
Just Stop Oil tried its hand at some festive protesting last night by singing carols outside Keir Starmer’s London house. It wasn’t too long before the handful of them, whingeing about oil and gas licences to a festive tune, were swamped by police and shifted off. It looks like about five police vans turned up…
If it’s the same rent-a-mob that was arrested outside Rishi Sunak’s Kensington house for disturbing the peace then her name was Louise Harris, a mediocre singer/songwriter at best, merely a source of noise at worst. Given her ‘songs’ I would change their charge from ‘disturbing the peace’ to crimes against humanity.
The statistics speak for themselves – 670 JSO arrests, 3 imprisoned. When are we going to stop molly coddling these spoilt brats; when they decide carol’s aren’t working so try bombs instead? Or do we stop it now before they go any further?
O honestly think they’ve done their cause for harm than good with this drivel
Stewart Trickett
December 15, 2023 9:11 am
Like watching a badly produced middle school play.
gyan1
December 15, 2023 9:12 am
Psychotic delusion rules the climate establishment. Mental illness is a wicked problem without easy solutions.
Rod Evans
December 15, 2023 9:22 am
Oh god, it is far worse than we thought. The clowns actually spent time preparing and producing that complete train wreck of a production. Why? For what purpose? Did they rehears to be so hopeless at even that basic task? Producing a street act/demonstration that they needed people to relate to , but who ever could?
Pathetic is too kind a word to describe their performance. That is before we get onto the flawed beliefs they hold.
I thought we have it bad in the UK but clearly the USA is equally troubled with dysfunctional alarmists..
Forget the coffee, time to break out the hard stuff.
bobpjones
December 15, 2023 9:51 am
I need a dose of Alka-Seltzer, after that, and they need a dose of Epsom salts.
Oh you know how they are, they have no lives or interests outside of manipulating numbers; they never post on these other topics.
ethical voter
December 15, 2023 12:03 pm
Sad and hard to watch. How these idiots ever got traction is beyond me. How they persist is even more mystifying. Having seen some of the video, I will sleep easier.
Especially when climate “scientists” have never been in a lab of any sort, unless you count sitting at a computer making up fraudulent models. Maybe because even the computer bars at them?
I think about climate basically all the time. And one thing I wonder is why the Earth getting irreversibly hotter just doesn’t seem all that scary or even urgent to most people. To me it’s truly horrific. I wonder if my brain just works differently or something. 6:50 PM · Dec 15, 2023
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“People who follow a vegetarian lifestyle have around twice as many depressive episodes as those who eat meat, according to the Brazilian Longitudinal Study of Adult Health.”
Vegans and Vegetarians are far more likely to suffer from anxiety, stress and depression than meat eaters – Peter Kalmus became a vegetarian and then a vegan. I think it’s fair to say that his diet is doing him no favours and, whatever supplements he is on, he should consult his doctor about increasing the dosage.
“I think about climate basically all the time. And one thing I wonder is why the Earth getting irreversibly hotter just doesn’t seem all that scary or even urgent to most people.”
Why do you assume the Earth is getting irreversibly hotter? It’s been hotter in the United States in the 1930’s than it is today. If you had been back in that time,you would be saying you are living on an Earth that is getting irrevesibly hotter and you would have been wrong.
After the 1930’s the temperatures cooled by about 2.0C.
There’s no reason to think the current warm temperatures won’t start to cool off just like they did in the past.
Unfortunately, your wrong-think has you believing that CO2 is the cause of the current warming and more CO2 will go into the atmosphere in the future, thus, you think the warming is irrevesible.
The problem with your thinking is there is no evidence showing CO2 is determining the Earth’s global temperatures, and the real problem with your thinking is this should be obvious to someone who looks at all the data available. All the data available does not show that CO2 is the control knob of the Earth’s climate.
Kalmus is basing all his wrong-think on speculation, assumptions and unsubstantiated assertions about CO2 and none of that is evidence of anything.
I don’t know if your brain works differenly, but I do know you are not looking at things objectively, assuming you can do so.
The evidence is out there. The evidence is: There is no evidence that CO2 is controlling Earth’s temperatures. You can’t produce any evidence showing any such thing. That being the case, don’t you know you are not on solid ground? Aren’t you smart enough to figure this out?
The only thing it can be is you are not able to distinguish real evidence from speculation, assumptions and assertions. You think speculation, assumptions and assertions about CO2 *are* evidence. That’s not science.
Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds
Excerpt:
From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.
An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.
Oh yeah, the planet is deeeeeply suffering from being greener and more abundant life growth that is awful Earth is smiling happily for the increased CO2 in the air floating around.
Yes,
They cherry pick only bad things and attribute them to a fake climate crisis while ignoring even more good things.
Booming biosphere/greening planet as you showed, for instance.
Massively increasing crop yields and food for most life. Growing seasons extended in mid/higher latitudes, agriculture expanding.
Less cold and less extreme cold. Fewer deaths from cold, that still kills 10 times more humans than extreme heat and 200 times more life than heat.
Best weather/climate for most life in the past 1,000 years (the last time it was this warm, during the Medieval WARM period).
Slightly LESS global drought, not more.
Less violent tornadoes because of the reduction in the temperature gradient between the higher latitudes that are warming the most and the mid/lower latitudes.
Objective scientists, using the authentic scientific method would ALWAYS provide information that relates to BOTH sides of any scientific discussion.
Always. No acceptations.
Failing to do so, by definition of the scientific method means that THOSE scientists are biased and using ANTI scientific standards.
Completely ignoring the key role that CO2 plays in the indisputable law of photosynthesis is as anti scientific as it gets.
Any source that pretends that’s not relevant is ignoring the building block for all of life……..that’s currently only half the optimal level for plants and much of life, since animals eats plants or something that ate plants.
Ignoring the truth of the past. Life on this planet always did best when the temperature was a bit warmer than it is now and always did worse when the temperature was colder than this.
And this is expected to continue past the end of this century……..based on authentic science/photosynthesis!
Ironically, the REAL green energy sources have already proven themself worthy of that title via authentic science and photosynthesis using OBSERVATIONS and proven physical laws.
Instead, we call energy sources like wind “green”. Wrecking the planet, killing birds, bats and whales. Destroying landscapes and ecosystems and tearing up the earth for raw materials. To generate diffuse, unreliable and expensive energy.
Wind, solar and batteries are NOT about authentic science or the physical laws of nature, energy or economics.
The fake climate crisis feeds on enrichment schemes using crony capitalism, political/government agendas, corrupt science, dishonest, ratings seeking, sensationalizing media and often sincere but incredibly misinformed environmentalists.
The lab coats, if brown rather than white, would be a fair match to the US Cavalry “Stable Coat” that a trooper wore when cleaning out a stable. So, equine rather than bovine, but the aroma is very similar.
that was painful. It demonstrates the intellectual level of the target audience, perhaps. I chuckled that the “oil executives” were the only ones who could memorize their pedantic lines.
guidvce4
December 17, 2023 6:07 am
1st impression: bad theater, irregardless of the cause. Next thought, frustrated climate cultists looking for grant money to continue their existence without having to actually do manual labor of some sort. Is it time to confront these fools with requests, or demands, that they live the life of being truly divorced from “fossil fuel” products in their existence. As a lesson for all of us, of course. Not that I would like to see any of them buck naked living in thatched huts, but it might be more entertaining than this theater of the absurd. Just sayin’.
I managed to watch almost a minute before I started gagging badly.
Idiots versus idiot fakes.
So, a machine spun, woven, stitched, shipped white coats distinguish scientists?
No, the white lab coats are strictly props for foolish pseudo actors and their equally fake opponents pretending knowledge or science they never performed or read.
Disgusting! I bet these people use FF every day all their lives, and have NO solar panels on the roof and most drive SUVs. They always want to vilify “big greedy corporations” but I bet if you look at their 401k plans and stock holdings they have plenty. They have a desire to virtue signal in public. A bunch of fakirs.
They must be a bunch of simple minded academics at a university! Note in the background are people wearing signs, both FLOOD and DROUGHT, so climate change can cause opposites, which tells me this is a religion.
I stand corrected, it is at AGU2023, in California, the epicenter of hypocrisy.
You left out international tourism in between protest plays and short films.
Can anyone explain why a “Climate Scientist” needs to wear a white coat?
I only hope they have a clip board, stop watch, and slide rule to go with the white coat! Oh and a hard hat to protect against a falling sky.
It’s a disguise, so that they almost look like real scientists when wearing them.
Why does a priest wear a cassock?
“Hmm, that’s a hard one”, as the vicar of Dibley would say….
At least a priest is consistent when performing his duties around the church.
This is a photo op costume that I was making fun of.
Does Michael Mann wear a lab coat in his office or at his computer?
Or ever?
A straitjacket would be more apropos.
They should have a big screen and a Gameboy !
Yes. It keeps the coal dust particulates from Chinese power plants off their street clothes.
More like Florida man jerking off in public than funny.
And painfully embarrassing to watch.
I had to stop before the 2-minute mark. The nausea was overwhelming.
I’ve seen better acting in grade school pageants….
At least the children are able to learn their lines.
Story tip – Build It (at Great Taxpayer Expense) and They Will (Not) Come – PJ Media
EV charging stations article.
That was beyond pathetic.
I would say ‘Don’t give up the day job’ but then who would employ these people?
People who want to be actors but are so bad, the only stage they’re allowed to act is the misinformation climate change bandwagon where they can spew and vomit the lies of the fanatics. These idiots have bought into the myths hook, line and sinker. Pathetic.
They believe they are funny, they believe they are good actors, they believe they are meaningful and insightful, they believe they are right. Their beliefs are all delusions.
Really stupid commie scum
Aluminum baseball bats were invented to take care of nonsense like this. Gotta love that sound.
Having comments like this appearing here (and getting up-voted) makes it difficult to refer my friends and relatives to this site for the sceptical arguments.
@mods, this one might not actually violate this site’s code of conduct, but if does, do us all a favour. And if it doesn’t, the code of conduct could use some work.
makes it difficult to refer my friends and relatives to this site
If they don’t understand that ANY place where people gather, online or in person, will have its share of jerks* who should be ignored, they will most likely also have difficulty grasping the skeptical viewpoint.
* I am speaking in general, not about any specific person.
Adults being childish — embarrassing.
I was half expecting Peter Kalmus to be there, but I didn’t see him in the skit. The performance looks and sounds like something he might take part in as a member of Scientists Rebellion.
Big kids, Kip
Fremdschämend
They say “follow the science”, the science says that they are ignorant
I didn’t think science needed sophomoric skits to make a point. Data should do it. When the facts aren’t on your side, do burlesque.
Well.. it´s art.. or at least trying to be.
All the yelling and aww performance aside, the valid arguments from both sides seems to be
I ma pretty sure I didnt miss much important with these two points.
Unfortunately, only one of the arguments is true!
Especially in the light of Alimonti´s findings that the natural disasters do NOT seem to show an anthropogenic signal (and the IPCC generally uses very careful language when is comes to the attribution of natural disasters).
In a rational level this play seems to make a very clear argument.
Yep, CO2 somehow contributes to natural disasters, NOT.
At least you got the first one right.
BTW, quote the passages from the IPCC that “shows” the second phony claim.
I am pretty sure I am getting the meaning of both statements correctly from that clip (and also wrote clearly that only one of them seems to be factually correct).
and also that these two are the only remotely meaningful things to extract from these 5min waste of time.
>> BTW, quote the passages from the IPCC that “shows” the second phony claim.
Here are some examples of the language used in the last IPCC report regarding extreme weather events:
https://www.ipcc.ch/srocc/chapter/chapter-6/
However, as I stated above these findings (as well as the video above) does not account for the findings from Alimonti et al., which changes the perspective significantly as the trends in extreme weather events likely seem simply an accounting error.
Parody?
No, it was a genuine effort
If only
That was my guess. I could only stand about 2 minutes of it.
I couldn’t even take a minute, you have a stronger stomach than I do.
Unintentional self-parody is my assessment.
10 seconds.. max !!
The person doing the intro was enough to turn me off. !
Preachy, whiney …
hmmm… a parody of the climate nut jobs might be very funny
I’d have to say that their performance (although pitiful) still looks
more professionalless amateurish than anything I’ve seen from the settled science experts.Out of the 3 pillars of the climate cult I’d put these jokers into the category of either ignorant or deluded as opposed to being fraudulent.
Reading their lines from a scrappy bit of paper was a rather good authentic touch, I thought – it really highlighted the painfully amateurish level of the climate scientist. Also the complete absence of anyone willing to listen to them was very typical, again they were right on the money with that.
I wonder is any of them are actually scientists !
I doubt it very much, they’re probably just climate science graduates.
I barely managed a minute of it – must rinse my ears out with some Purple or Hendrix….
Kindergarten children could do fat better than these ‘ self-pleasurers
As they believe in bad CO2:
Connecting North Atlantic SST Variability to European Heat Events over the Past Decades
Composites of different North Atlantic SST states show that events with a negative tendency of North Atlantic SSTs are often followed by positive European T2m anomalies during summers when the North Atlantic SSTs are persistently low for several months. Enhanced lower–tropospheric baroclinicity in the North Atlantic is followed during these events by a slantwise ascent and an enhanced upper–tropospheric waveguide, promoting a downstream development of an European ridge. A combination of a wave number 3 pattern and regionally confined Rossby wave activity contribute to a trough–ridge pattern in the North Atlantic–European sector. A composite of European heat events further confirms the lagged statistical relationship between cold North Atlantic SSTs with a negative tendency and positive European T2m anomalies. A negative tendency of North Atlantic SSTs precedes 15 of 18 European heat events, and cold North Atlantic SST conditions are present during 14 of 18 European heat events
Heatwaves in Europe because of CO2 ?
No, because of decreasing SST in North Atlantic.
They can’t make it in academics, can’t keep useful jobs they she sure as hell can’t make it as entertainers. The whole lot of them will almost certainly swell the welfare lines once wealthy eco activist organizations run our of money to fund this nonsense.
If they’re lucky they can use those white lab-coats as overalls in a job as a cleaner.
Perhaps we should’ve sent someone round with a placard saying “0/10 – Dole queue on Monday morning.” Just so they get the idea, so it doesn’t come as a complete shock to the little darlings.
It’s becoming increasingly clear that, as a group, climate scientists are some of the most puerile half-wits the world have ever seen.
“the most puerile half-wits the world have ever seen.“
Look at Mickey Mann, Dessler, etc etc etc…… you certainly nailed that comment 🙂
This is wonderful. It is unintended self-parody of the highest order. We have already lost, and will never have, people who think this is insightful light theater. For anyone other than a true believer who runs into this amateurish schtick, it’s going to be a clear reason to run the other way.
I had a co-worker who bragged of being a Communist, not a Stalinist. Her husband put on a little play about Castro and Brezhnev that was actually watchable. Nonsense politics, but genuinely funny and entertaining. Also only half an hour or so. These guys could learn a thing or two about entertainment first, propaganda last.
From the video, on the left side, role-playing the oil executives – “glorified lab rats in white coats.” Hey, these scientists wrote their own script! LOL.
Say, Mr. Dibbell, about 2 (?) months ago, you (IIRC) were planning to write one of your excellent, data-driven, articles for WUWT. I haven’t seen it published. Did I miss it?
Hello Janice Moore, thank you for remembering!
I posted about it here twice recently on the open thread pages. More work is needed to put it into essay form for submission here at WUWT as a main post.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/29/open-thread-68/#comment-3808636
and then here.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/03/open-thread-72/#comment-3824547
Do you happen to have an account on X (fka Twitter)? I posted a video and explanation there.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1722012790368416058
I would most gladly take any comments or suggestions from you on what I am trying to get across from the fundamentals of energy and motion in the atmosphere, from authoritative sources.
I just uploaded the video to Youtube. The full text of the Twitter post is copied there, along with additional background, in the description box. Here is the link.
https://youtu.be/hDurP-4gVrY
(((APPLAUSE!))) Oh, well done! VERY well done! That you achieved the honor of being slapped with the CO2 scammers’ propaganda banner is evidence of your being RIGHT-OVER-THE-TARGET.
Oh, to answer your question, no. I have no Twitter/X account.
When I have time to review your above documents, I will be commenting. Happy to! 😀
Thank you so much!
Hi, Mr. Dibbell,
Well, I will begin by apologizing for not doing better justice to your painstaking work. The cause of this is twofold: 1) I didn’t take the time necessary do a better job; and 2) I am not knowledgeable enough to do an in-depth analysis/review. I hope that someone like Dr. Patrick Frank (try asking him — he is very kind and might be a lot of help to you — I believe his email is in a slide in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THg6vGGRpvA&t=45s ).
I also want to mention that I am willing to proofread/edit (for clarity and readability) if you need that. Just get a mod to give you my email address. This comment is my permission.
So, finally, here is my little attempt at commenting about your excellent analysis. I am honored that you are interested in anything I might have to say about it.
Re-write/Suggestions
Issue: Is the effect of CO2 on atmospheric energy (or temperature) measurable?
Implication: If not, there is no basis for the conjecture that CO2 (much less human CO2 which is only about 4% of total atmospheric CO2 (cite)) meaningfully affects the energy or temperature of Earth’s atmosphere.
Facts:
1. Climate is simply weather trends over a long enough time to be meaningful (at least 30 years).
2. Weather intensity is determined by energy:
(1) kinetic
(2) potential
(3) internal
(4) latent energy of water vapor
3. Energy Dynamics
(1) Potential and internal energy can change directly into kinetic energy.
(2) Latent energy can change into internal energy which then changes into kinetic energy.
(3) The conversion between kinetic energy and internal+potential
energy is one of the hourly parameters in the ERA5 reanalysis product of the ECMWF (European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts).
[INSERT: formula using the below-defined parameters]
— The parameter, “vertical integral of potential + energy,” is defined here (note the importance of altitude in respect to potential energy): https://codes.ecmwf.int/grib/param-db/?id=162061
— The parameter, “vertical integral of energy conversion” is defined here (units are W/m^2):
https://codes.ecmwf.int/grib/param-db/?id=162064
4. Changes of the potential energy P and the internal energy l of
the whole atmosphere are approximately proportional (as shown by hydrostatic approximation), thus, it is proper to regard potential and internal as a single form of energy: Total Potential Energy (Margules, 1903).
5. Kinetic energy dissipates and is then re-generated using potential energy. Potential energy is generated by heating.
6. Energy is “conserved,” i.e., the total amount of energy will remain exactly the same forever.
Equation 7.1 expresses a basic statement of the Law of
Conservation of Energy: “Energy can neither be created nor
destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.”
(Equation 7.1: Conservation of energy)
(https://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/EP/Duffy_EP_2013_ch07.pdf )
7. Atmospheric circulation drives earth’s energy budget. (Physics of the Atmosphere and Climate at 1, Murry Salby https://books.google.com/books/about/Physics_of_the_Atmosphere_and_Climate.html?id=CeMdwj7J48QC )
8. The conversion of energy (in both directions) between kinetic and internal+potential experienced in the atmosphere is hundreds to thousands of times greater than the ~4 W/m^2 incremental “warming” effect of a doubling of CO2.
9. The effect of increasing the IR (Infrared Radiation) absorbing ability of the clear atmosphere does not result in “warming,” per se, but in expansion (altitude/potential energy) and motion (kinetic energy.)
10. The incremental, logarithmic (i.e., each additional molecule of CO2 has increasingly less and less of an effect), tiny, effect of incremental CO2 cannot be measured reliably enough to attribute any warming trend on land or in the oceans.
Illustration
The plot of the minimum, median, and maximum ERA5 “vertical integral of energy conversion” for just one day for all longitudes at 45N latitude.
Conclusion
The core error of CAGW is: assuming that heat energy (internal) MUST accumulate in the atmosphere and, then, on land and in the oceans from the tiny effect CO2 can possibly have.
Janice Moore, thank you very much for putting this in order! Your time to have done so is greatly appreciated.
Oh, Mr. Dibbell (and you may call me “Janice” if you like), you are so very welcome for that. Thank you for taking the time to let me know you saw it. 🙂
Thank you Janice, and please call me “Dave” if you like.
Will do, Dave. 🙂
I wonder if that could be converted to sound.
Looks like pretty good “grey”-random noise. 🙂
Pretty low frequency 🙂 With hourly data, let’s see – that would be 1/3600 Hz. I wonder what the frequency was for that “magma displacement” that was played at high speed to be heard on the seaman’s headphones in “Hunt for Red October” to detect the “caterpillar drive” on sonar.
Here ya go — a fitting parallel: Dibbell’s graph = freedom (from climate fraudster tyranny)
AND
The Sound of Freedom!🙂
Talking of funny
JUST STOP OIL’S CAROL SINGERS ESCORTED BY POLICE AWAY FROM STARMER’S FAMILY HOME
Just Stop Oil tried its hand at some festive protesting last night by singing carols outside Keir Starmer’s London house. It wasn’t too long before the handful of them, whingeing about oil and gas licences to a festive tune, were swamped by police and shifted off. It looks like about five police vans turned up…
No awards on the way for whoever wrote the lyrics:
https://order-order.com/2023/12/15/just-stop-oils-carol-singers-escorted-by-police-away-from-starmers-family-home/
If it’s the same rent-a-mob that was arrested outside Rishi Sunak’s Kensington house for disturbing the peace then her name was Louise Harris, a mediocre singer/songwriter at best, merely a source of noise at worst. Given her ‘songs’ I would change their charge from ‘disturbing the peace’ to crimes against humanity.
The statistics speak for themselves – 670 JSO arrests, 3 imprisoned. When are we going to stop molly coddling these spoilt brats; when they decide carol’s aren’t working so try bombs instead? Or do we stop it now before they go any further?
Yes. First time, give ’em a citation with as high a fine as possible. Second time, jail as a proven irredeemable criminal.
They pretend to be the good ones, but show to be the idiotic ones.
Their “presentation” is not even laughable.
As intelligence was distributed, they all stayed well hidden somewhere.
Cringe! I’ve seen high school students put on better skits. “And you want to be my energy salesman” (Jerry Seinfeld voice)
THANK YOU, Wharfplank, for some REAL humor.
Here, everyone, for an earwash, is that “Seinfeld” scene:
🙂
“I’m gonna hire you as my latex salesman??
Ah, heh, heh, I — don’t — THINK so.” (~ 00:40)
For more excellent humor, see below, R. H. Shark at 10:06AM. 😀
That’s 3mins (I couldn’t stand anymore) of my life wasted.
Absolute crap.
I wonder why no one was watching other than the climate worrier filming
O honestly think they’ve done their cause for harm than good with this drivel
Like watching a badly produced middle school play.
Psychotic delusion rules the climate establishment. Mental illness is a wicked problem without easy solutions.
Oh god, it is far worse than we thought. The clowns actually spent time preparing and producing that complete train wreck of a production. Why? For what purpose? Did they rehears to be so hopeless at even that basic task? Producing a street act/demonstration that they needed people to relate to , but who ever could?
Pathetic is too kind a word to describe their performance. That is before we get onto the flawed beliefs they hold.
I thought we have it bad in the UK but clearly the USA is equally troubled with dysfunctional alarmists..
Forget the coffee, time to break out the hard stuff.
I need a dose of Alka-Seltzer, after that, and they need a dose of Epsom salts.
They need a dose of senna tablets, they appear to be severely constipated.
We could try an experiment, half, get the Epsom salts, the other gets the senna pods, then stand back.
They must be the actors that failed the “goes wrong show” audition
Yes…. OR — that farce IS an episode of “Gone Wrong.” 🤣
Expecting nick-pick, fungal, the bellboy or simion along any minute to praise the acting skill !!
Oh you know how they are, they have no lives or interests outside of manipulating numbers; they never post on these other topics.
Sad and hard to watch. How these idiots ever got traction is beyond me. How they persist is even more mystifying. Having seen some of the video, I will sleep easier.
They prostituted themselves to big money and now no act is too degrading to perform if it keeps the money stream going.
Nothing says “I’m a scientist” like wearing a white lab coat.
Especially when climate “scientists” have never been in a lab of any sort, unless you count sitting at a computer making up fraudulent models. Maybe because even the computer bars at them?
Maybe they could stage their little street theater without fossil fuels…
Well, there’s the single most retarded thing I’ve seen this year.
These guys are an embarrassment.
I lasted one minute watching these ‘scientists’ then went to musing on what they are teaching our impressionable children
On X/Twitter a short while ago, Peter Kalmus thinks a thought that could make sense: “I wonder if my brain just works differently or something.”
Please, sir, seek help.
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Peter Kalmus
@ClimateHuman
I think about climate basically all the time. And one thing I wonder is why the Earth getting irreversibly hotter just doesn’t seem all that scary or even urgent to most people. To me it’s truly horrific. I wonder if my brain just works differently or something.
6:50 PM · Dec 15, 2023
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“People who follow a vegetarian lifestyle have around twice as many depressive episodes as those who eat meat, according to the Brazilian Longitudinal Study of Adult Health.”
Vegans and Vegetarians are far more likely to suffer from anxiety, stress and depression than meat eaters – Peter Kalmus became a vegetarian and then a vegan. I think it’s fair to say that his diet is doing him no favours and, whatever supplements he is on, he should consult his doctor about increasing the dosage.
“I think about climate basically all the time. And one thing I wonder is why the Earth getting irreversibly hotter just doesn’t seem all that scary or even urgent to most people.”
Why do you assume the Earth is getting irreversibly hotter? It’s been hotter in the United States in the 1930’s than it is today. If you had been back in that time,you would be saying you are living on an Earth that is getting irrevesibly hotter and you would have been wrong.
After the 1930’s the temperatures cooled by about 2.0C.
There’s no reason to think the current warm temperatures won’t start to cool off just like they did in the past.
Unfortunately, your wrong-think has you believing that CO2 is the cause of the current warming and more CO2 will go into the atmosphere in the future, thus, you think the warming is irrevesible.
The problem with your thinking is there is no evidence showing CO2 is determining the Earth’s global temperatures, and the real problem with your thinking is this should be obvious to someone who looks at all the data available. All the data available does not show that CO2 is the control knob of the Earth’s climate.
Kalmus is basing all his wrong-think on speculation, assumptions and unsubstantiated assertions about CO2 and none of that is evidence of anything.
I don’t know if your brain works differenly, but I do know you are not looking at things objectively, assuming you can do so.
The evidence is out there. The evidence is: There is no evidence that CO2 is controlling Earth’s temperatures. You can’t produce any evidence showing any such thing. That being the case, don’t you know you are not on solid ground? Aren’t you smart enough to figure this out?
The only thing it can be is you are not able to distinguish real evidence from speculation, assumptions and assertions. You think speculation, assumptions and assertions about CO2 *are* evidence. That’s not science.
Climate failure?
The same attitude as those who want to end all logging.
People who want to end all logging shouldn’t be able to buy toilet paper or any other wood products
Carbon Dioxide Fertilization Greening Earth, Study Finds
Excerpt:
From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide, according to a new study published in the journal Nature Climate Change on April 25.
An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.
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Oh yeah, the planet is deeeeeply suffering from being greener and more abundant life growth that is awful Earth is smiling happily for the increased CO2 in the air floating around.
Yes,
They cherry pick only bad things and attribute them to a fake climate crisis while ignoring even more good things.
Booming biosphere/greening planet as you showed, for instance.
Massively increasing crop yields and food for most life. Growing seasons extended in mid/higher latitudes, agriculture expanding.
Less cold and less extreme cold. Fewer deaths from cold, that still kills 10 times more humans than extreme heat and 200 times more life than heat.
Best weather/climate for most life in the past 1,000 years (the last time it was this warm, during the Medieval WARM period).
Slightly LESS global drought, not more.
Less violent tornadoes because of the reduction in the temperature gradient between the higher latitudes that are warming the most and the mid/lower latitudes.
Objective scientists, using the authentic scientific method would ALWAYS provide information that relates to BOTH sides of any scientific discussion.
Always. No acceptations.
Failing to do so, by definition of the scientific method means that THOSE scientists are biased and using ANTI scientific standards.
Completely ignoring the key role that CO2 plays in the indisputable law of photosynthesis is as anti scientific as it gets.
Any source that pretends that’s not relevant is ignoring the building block for all of life……..that’s currently only half the optimal level for plants and much of life, since animals eats plants or something that ate plants.
Ignoring the truth of the past. Life on this planet always did best when the temperature was a bit warmer than it is now and always did worse when the temperature was colder than this.
And this is expected to continue past the end of this century……..based on authentic science/photosynthesis!
Global Green Up Slows Warming
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/146296/global-green-up-slows-warming
Even deserts are greening up with CO2 making plants more water efficient and heat tolerant as an additional bonus.
Deserts ‘greening’ from rising CO2
https://phys.org/news/2013-07-greening-co2.html
Ironically, the REAL green energy sources have already proven themself worthy of that title via authentic science and photosynthesis using OBSERVATIONS and proven physical laws.
Instead, we call energy sources like wind “green”. Wrecking the planet, killing birds, bats and whales. Destroying landscapes and ecosystems and tearing up the earth for raw materials. To generate diffuse, unreliable and expensive energy.
Wind, solar and batteries are NOT about authentic science or the physical laws of nature, energy or economics.
The fake climate crisis feeds on enrichment schemes using crony capitalism, political/government agendas, corrupt science, dishonest, ratings seeking, sensationalizing media and often sincere but incredibly misinformed environmentalists.
The lab coats, if brown rather than white, would be a fair match to the US Cavalry “Stable Coat” that a trooper wore when cleaning out a stable. So, equine rather than bovine, but the aroma is very similar.
Some of the stupidest people on planet Earth.
I like biodiversity, so I’m 100% with oil companies without which those climate clowns would not even exist.
that was painful. It demonstrates the intellectual level of the target audience, perhaps. I chuckled that the “oil executives” were the only ones who could memorize their pedantic lines.
1st impression: bad theater, irregardless of the cause. Next thought, frustrated climate cultists looking for grant money to continue their existence without having to actually do manual labor of some sort. Is it time to confront these fools with requests, or demands, that they live the life of being truly divorced from “fossil fuel” products in their existence. As a lesson for all of us, of course. Not that I would like to see any of them buck naked living in thatched huts, but it might be more entertaining than this theater of the absurd. Just sayin’.
Hilarious!
I managed to watch almost a minute before I started gagging badly.
Idiots versus idiot fakes.
So, a machine spun, woven, stitched, shipped white coats distinguish scientists?
No, the white lab coats are strictly props for foolish pseudo actors and their equally fake opponents pretending knowledge or science they never performed or read.