Friday Funday: Scientist Rebellion/Extinction Rebellion at AGU

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J Boles
December 15, 2023 6:07 am

Disgusting! I bet these people use FF every day all their lives, and have NO solar panels on the roof and most drive SUVs. They always want to vilify “big greedy corporations” but I bet if you look at their 401k plans and stock holdings they have plenty. They have a desire to virtue signal in public. A bunch of fakirs.

J Boles
Reply to  J Boles
December 15, 2023 6:18 am

They must be a bunch of simple minded academics at a university! Note in the background are people wearing signs, both FLOOD and DROUGHT, so climate change can cause opposites, which tells me this is a religion.

J Boles
Reply to  J Boles
December 15, 2023 7:09 am

I stand corrected, it is at AGU2023, in California, the epicenter of hypocrisy.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  J Boles
December 15, 2023 6:58 am

You left out international tourism in between protest plays and short films.

Reply to  J Boles
December 15, 2023 7:03 am

Can anyone explain why a “Climate Scientist” needs to wear a white coat?

J Boles
Reply to  George Daddis
December 15, 2023 7:05 am

I only hope they have a clip board, stop watch, and slide rule to go with the white coat! Oh and a hard hat to protect against a falling sky.

Richard Page
Reply to  George Daddis
December 15, 2023 7:10 am

It’s a disguise, so that they almost look like real scientists when wearing them.

strativarius
Reply to  George Daddis
December 15, 2023 8:41 am

Why does a priest wear a cassock?

Rod Evans
Reply to  strativarius
December 15, 2023 9:25 am

“Hmm, that’s a hard one”, as the vicar of Dibley would say….

Reply to  strativarius
December 15, 2023 12:18 pm

At least a priest is consistent when performing his duties around the church.
This is a photo op costume that I was making fun of.
Does Michael Mann wear a lab coat in his office or at his computer?

Richard Page
Reply to  George Daddis
December 15, 2023 12:53 pm

Or ever?

Bob Johnston
Reply to  George Daddis
December 15, 2023 11:10 am

A straitjacket would be more apropos.

Reply to  George Daddis
December 15, 2023 11:43 am

They should have a big screen and a Gameboy !

Reply to  George Daddis
December 15, 2023 11:59 am

Yes. It keeps the coal dust particulates from Chinese power plants off their street clothes.

Coach Springer
December 15, 2023 6:13 am

More like Florida man jerking off in public than funny.

Richard Page
Reply to  Coach Springer
December 15, 2023 7:08 am

And painfully embarrassing to watch.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Richard Page
December 15, 2023 4:46 pm

I had to stop before the 2-minute mark. The nausea was overwhelming.

Paul S
Reply to  Coach Springer
December 15, 2023 7:19 am

I’ve seen better acting in grade school pageants….

CampsieFellow
Reply to  Paul S
December 16, 2023 3:49 am

At least the children are able to learn their lines.

J Boles
December 15, 2023 6:23 am
December 15, 2023 6:35 am

That was beyond pathetic.

gezza1298
Reply to  general custer
December 17, 2023 1:07 pm

I would say ‘Don’t give up the day job’ but then who would employ these people?

December 15, 2023 6:40 am

People who want to be actors but are so bad, the only stage they’re allowed to act is the misinformation climate change bandwagon where they can spew and vomit the lies of the fanatics. These idiots have bought into the myths hook, line and sinker. Pathetic.

Richard Page
Reply to  John Aqua
December 15, 2023 7:12 am

They believe they are funny, they believe they are good actors, they believe they are meaningful and insightful, they believe they are right. Their beliefs are all delusions.

Tom Halla
December 15, 2023 6:46 am

Really stupid commie scum

Ron Long
December 15, 2023 7:07 am

Aluminum baseball bats were invented to take care of nonsense like this. Gotta love that sound.

Reply to  Ron Long
December 16, 2023 7:25 am

Having comments like this appearing here (and getting up-voted) makes it difficult to refer my friends and relatives to this site for the sceptical arguments.

@mods, this one might not actually violate this site’s code of conduct, but if does, do us all a favour. And if it doesn’t, the code of conduct could use some work.

Reply to  quelgeek
December 17, 2023 9:46 am

makes it difficult to refer my friends and relatives to this site

If they don’t understand that ANY place where people gather, online or in person, will have its share of jerks* who should be ignored, they will most likely also have difficulty grasping the skeptical viewpoint.

* I am speaking in general, not about any specific person.

Editor
December 15, 2023 7:15 am

Adults being childish — embarrassing.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  Kip Hansen
December 15, 2023 7:51 am

I was half expecting Peter Kalmus to be there, but I didn’t see him in the skit. The performance looks and sounds like something he might take part in as a member of Scientists Rebellion.

strativarius
Reply to  Kip Hansen
December 15, 2023 8:37 am

Big kids, Kip

Rich Davis
Reply to  Kip Hansen
December 15, 2023 4:47 pm

Fremdschämend

kierand4
December 15, 2023 7:22 am

They say “follow the science”, the science says that they are ignorant

Reply to  kierand4
December 15, 2023 3:35 pm

I didn’t think science needed sophomoric skits to make a point. Data should do it. When the facts aren’t on your side, do burlesque.

morfu03
December 15, 2023 7:23 am

Well.. it´s art.. or at least trying to be.
All the yelling and aww performance aside, the valid arguments from both sides seems to be

  • cheap energy is the backbone of our economy and we will not do so wel lwithout it
  • anthropogennic CO2 contributes to natural desasters as the IPCC report shows

I ma pretty sure I didnt miss much important with these two points.
Unfortunately, only one of the arguments is true!
Especially in the light of Alimonti´s findings that the natural disasters do NOT seem to show an anthropogenic signal (and the IPCC generally uses very careful language when is comes to the attribution of natural disasters).

In a rational level this play seems to make a very clear argument.

Drake
Reply to  morfu03
December 15, 2023 1:11 pm

Yep, CO2 somehow contributes to natural disasters, NOT.

At least you got the first one right.

BTW, quote the passages from the IPCC that “shows” the second phony claim.

morfu03
Reply to  Drake
December 15, 2023 5:38 pm

I am pretty sure I am getting the meaning of both statements correctly from that clip (and also wrote clearly that only one of them seems to be factually correct).
and also that these two are the only remotely meaningful things to extract from these 5min waste of time.

>> BTW, quote the passages from the IPCC that “shows” the second phony claim.
Here are some examples of the language used in the last IPCC report regarding extreme weather events:
https://www.ipcc.ch/srocc/chapter/chapter-6/

However, as I stated above these findings (as well as the video above) does not account for the findings from Alimonti et al., which changes the perspective significantly as the trends in extreme weather events likely seem simply an accounting error.

JiminNEF
December 15, 2023 7:33 am

Parody?

strativarius
Reply to  JiminNEF
December 15, 2023 7:59 am

No, it was a genuine effort

Reply to  JiminNEF
December 15, 2023 8:45 am

If only

Scarecrow Repair
Reply to  JiminNEF
December 15, 2023 9:08 am

That was my guess. I could only stand about 2 minutes of it.

Reply to  Scarecrow Repair
December 15, 2023 9:48 am

I couldn’t even take a minute, you have a stronger stomach than I do.

Unintentional self-parody is my assessment.

Reply to  Scarecrow Repair
December 15, 2023 11:33 am

10 seconds.. max !!

The person doing the intro was enough to turn me off. !

Preachy, whiney …

Reply to  JiminNEF
December 15, 2023 4:25 pm

hmmm… a parody of the climate nut jobs might be very funny

Shytot
December 15, 2023 7:41 am

I’d have to say that their performance (although pitiful) still looks more professional less amateurish than anything I’ve seen from the settled science experts.
Out of the 3 pillars of the climate cult I’d put these jokers into the category of either ignorant or deluded as opposed to being fraudulent.

Richard Page
Reply to  Shytot
December 15, 2023 12:00 pm

Reading their lines from a scrappy bit of paper was a rather good authentic touch, I thought – it really highlighted the painfully amateurish level of the climate scientist. Also the complete absence of anyone willing to listen to them was very typical, again they were right on the money with that.

Reply to  Richard Page
December 15, 2023 12:36 pm

I wonder is any of them are actually scientists !

Richard Page
Reply to  bnice2000
December 15, 2023 12:55 pm

I doubt it very much, they’re probably just climate science graduates.

strativarius
December 15, 2023 7:48 am

I barely managed a minute of it – must rinse my ears out with some Purple or Hendrix….

Kindergarten children could do fat better than these ‘ self-pleasurers

December 15, 2023 7:56 am

As they believe in bad CO2:

Connecting North Atlantic SST Variability to European Heat Events over the Past Decades

Composites of different North Atlantic SST states show that events with a negative tendency of North Atlantic SSTs are often followed by positive European T2m anomalies during summers when the North Atlantic SSTs are persistently low for several months. Enhanced lower–tropospheric baroclinicity in the North Atlantic is followed during these events by a slantwise ascent and an enhanced upper–tropospheric waveguide, promoting a downstream development of an European ridge. A combination of a wave number 3 pattern and regionally confined Rossby wave activity contribute to a trough–ridge pattern in the North Atlantic–European sector. A composite of European heat events further confirms the lagged statistical relationship between cold North Atlantic SSTs with a negative tendency and positive European T2m anomalies. A negative tendency of North Atlantic SSTs precedes 15 of 18 European heat events, and cold North Atlantic SST conditions are present during 14 of 18 European heat events

Heatwaves in Europe because of CO2 ?
No, because of decreasing SST in North Atlantic.

December 15, 2023 7:58 am

They can’t make it in academics, can’t keep useful jobs they she sure as hell can’t make it as entertainers. The whole lot of them will almost certainly swell the welfare lines once wealthy eco activist organizations run our of money to fund this nonsense.

Richard Page
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
December 15, 2023 12:06 pm

If they’re lucky they can use those white lab-coats as overalls in a job as a cleaner.
Perhaps we should’ve sent someone round with a placard saying “0/10 – Dole queue on Monday morning.” Just so they get the idea, so it doesn’t come as a complete shock to the little darlings.

December 15, 2023 8:06 am

It’s becoming increasingly clear that, as a group, climate scientists are some of the most puerile half-wits the world have ever seen.

Reply to  Paul Hurley
December 15, 2023 11:37 am

the most puerile half-wits the world have ever seen.

Look at Mickey Mann, Dessler, etc etc etc…… you certainly nailed that comment 🙂

Dave Yaussy
December 15, 2023 8:17 am

This is wonderful. It is unintended self-parody of the highest order. We have already lost, and will never have, people who think this is insightful light theater. For anyone other than a true believer who runs into this amateurish schtick, it’s going to be a clear reason to run the other way.

Scarecrow Repair
Reply to  Dave Yaussy
December 15, 2023 10:12 am

I had a co-worker who bragged of being a Communist, not a Stalinist. Her husband put on a little play about Castro and Brezhnev that was actually watchable. Nonsense politics, but genuinely funny and entertaining. Also only half an hour or so. These guys could learn a thing or two about entertainment first, propaganda last.

December 15, 2023 8:29 am

From the video, on the left side, role-playing the oil executives – “glorified lab rats in white coats.” Hey, these scientists wrote their own script! LOL.

Janice Moore
Reply to  David Dibbell
December 15, 2023 10:31 am

Say, Mr. Dibbell, about 2 (?) months ago, you (IIRC) were planning to write one of your excellent, data-driven, articles for WUWT. I haven’t seen it published. Did I miss it?

Reply to  Janice Moore
December 15, 2023 12:05 pm

Hello Janice Moore, thank you for remembering!
I posted about it here twice recently on the open thread pages. More work is needed to put it into essay form for submission here at WUWT as a main post.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/10/29/open-thread-68/#comment-3808636

and then here.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/03/open-thread-72/#comment-3824547

Do you happen to have an account on X (fka Twitter)? I posted a video and explanation there.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1722012790368416058

I would most gladly take any comments or suggestions from you on what I am trying to get across from the fundamentals of energy and motion in the atmosphere, from authoritative sources.

Reply to  David Dibbell
December 15, 2023 12:45 pm

I just uploaded the video to Youtube. The full text of the Twitter post is copied there, along with additional background, in the description box. Here is the link.
https://youtu.be/hDurP-4gVrY

Janice Moore
Reply to  David Dibbell
December 15, 2023 1:20 pm

(((APPLAUSE!))) Oh, well done! VERY well done! That you achieved the honor of being slapped with the CO2 scammers’ propaganda banner is evidence of your being RIGHT-OVER-THE-TARGET.

Oh, to answer your question, no. I have no Twitter/X account.

When I have time to review your above documents, I will be commenting. Happy to! 😀

Reply to  Janice Moore
December 15, 2023 2:17 pm

Thank you so much!

Janice Moore
Reply to  David Dibbell
December 16, 2023 11:52 am

Hi, Mr. Dibbell,

Well, I will begin by apologizing for not doing better justice to your painstaking work. The cause of this is twofold: 1) I didn’t take the time necessary do a better job; and 2) I am not knowledgeable enough to do an in-depth analysis/review. I hope that someone like Dr. Patrick Frank (try asking him — he is very kind and might be a lot of help to you — I believe his email is in a slide in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THg6vGGRpvA&t=45s ).

I also want to mention that I am willing to proofread/edit (for clarity and readability) if you need that. Just get a mod to give you my email address. This comment is my permission.

So, finally, here is my little attempt at commenting about your excellent analysis. I am honored that you are interested in anything I might have to say about it.

Re-write/Suggestions

Issue: Is the effect of CO2 on atmospheric energy (or temperature) measurable?

Implication: If not, there is no basis for the conjecture that CO2 (much less human CO2 which is only about 4% of total atmospheric CO2 (cite)) meaningfully affects the energy or temperature of Earth’s atmosphere.

Facts:
1. Climate is simply weather trends over a long enough time to be meaningful (at least 30 years).

2. Weather intensity is determined by energy:
(1) kinetic
(2) potential
(3) internal  
(4) latent energy of water vapor
 
3. Energy Dynamics
(1) Potential and internal energy can change directly into kinetic energy.
 
(2) Latent energy can change into internal energy which then changes into kinetic energy.
 
(3) The conversion between kinetic energy and internal+potential 
energy is one of the hourly parameters in the ERA5 reanalysis product of the ECMWF (European Centre for Medium-Range Weather Forecasts).

[INSERT: formula using the below-defined parameters]

— The parameter, “vertical integral of potential + energy,” is defined here (note the importance of altitude in respect to potential energy): https://codes.ecmwf.int/grib/param-db/?id=162061

— The parameter, “vertical integral of energy conversion” is defined here (units are W/m^2):
https://codes.ecmwf.int/grib/param-db/?id=162064
 
 
4.  Changes of the potential energy P and the internal energy l of
the whole atmosphere are approximately proportional (as shown by hydrostatic approximation), thus, it is proper to regard potential and internal as a single form of energy: Total Potential Energy (Margules, 1903).
 
5. Kinetic energy dissipates and is then re-generated using potential energy.  Potential energy is generated by heating.
 
6. Energy is “conserved,” i.e., the total amount of energy will remain exactly the same forever.

Equation 7.1 expresses a basic statement of the Law of
Conservation of Energy: “Energy can neither be created nor
destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.”
(Equation 7.1: Conservation of energy)
(https://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/EP/Duffy_EP_2013_ch07.pdf )

7. Atmospheric circulation drives earth’s energy budget. (Physics of the Atmosphere and Climate at 1, Murry Salby https://books.google.com/books/about/Physics_of_the_Atmosphere_and_Climate.html?id=CeMdwj7J48QC )

8. The conversion of energy (in both directions) between kinetic and internal+potential experienced in the atmosphere is hundreds to thousands of times greater than the ~4 W/m^2 incremental “warming” effect of a doubling of CO2.

9. The effect of increasing the IR (Infrared Radiation) absorbing ability of the clear atmosphere does not result in “warming,” per se, but in expansion (altitude/potential energy) and motion (kinetic energy.)

10. The incremental, logarithmic (i.e., each additional molecule of CO2 has increasingly less and less of an effect), tiny, effect of incremental CO2 cannot be measured reliably enough to attribute any warming trend on land or in the oceans.

Illustration
The plot of the minimum, median, and maximum ERA5 “vertical integral of energy conversion” for just one day for all longitudes at 45N latitude.
 
Conclusion
The core error of CAGW is: assuming that heat energy (internal) MUST accumulate in the atmosphere and, then, on land and in the oceans from the tiny effect CO2 can possibly have.

Reply to  Janice Moore
December 16, 2023 1:17 pm

Janice Moore, thank you very much for putting this in order! Your time to have done so is greatly appreciated.

Janice Moore
Reply to  David Dibbell
December 16, 2023 3:09 pm

Oh, Mr. Dibbell (and you may call me “Janice” if you like), you are so very welcome for that. Thank you for taking the time to let me know you saw it. 🙂

Reply to  Janice Moore
December 16, 2023 4:16 pm

Thank you Janice, and please call me “Dave” if you like.

Janice Moore
Reply to  David Dibbell
December 16, 2023 4:30 pm

Will do, Dave. 🙂

Reply to  David Dibbell
December 15, 2023 1:56 pm

I wonder if that could be converted to sound.

Looks like pretty good “grey”-random noise. 🙂

Reply to  bnice2000
December 15, 2023 2:50 pm

Pretty low frequency 🙂 With hourly data, let’s see – that would be 1/3600 Hz. I wonder what the frequency was for that “magma displacement” that was played at high speed to be heard on the seaman’s headphones in “Hunt for Red October” to detect the “caterpillar drive” on sonar.

Janice Moore
Reply to  bnice2000
December 15, 2023 2:59 pm

Here ya go — a fitting parallel: Dibbell’s graph = freedom (from climate fraudster tyranny)

AND

The Sound of Freedom!🙂

strativarius
December 15, 2023 8:36 am

Talking of funny

JUST STOP OIL’S CAROL SINGERS ESCORTED BY POLICE AWAY FROM STARMER’S FAMILY HOME

Just Stop Oil tried its hand at some festive protesting last night by singing carols outside Keir Starmer’s London house. It wasn’t too long before the handful of them, whingeing about oil and gas licences to a festive tune, were swamped by police and shifted off. It looks like about five police vans turned up…

No awards on the way for whoever wrote the lyrics:
https://order-order.com/2023/12/15/just-stop-oils-carol-singers-escorted-by-police-away-from-starmers-family-home/

Richard Page
Reply to  strativarius
December 15, 2023 9:24 am

If it’s the same rent-a-mob that was arrested outside Rishi Sunak’s Kensington house for disturbing the peace then her name was Louise Harris, a mediocre singer/songwriter at best, merely a source of noise at worst. Given her ‘songs’ I would change their charge from ‘disturbing the peace’ to crimes against humanity.

Richard Page
Reply to  Richard Page
December 15, 2023 10:02 am

The statistics speak for themselves – 670 JSO arrests, 3 imprisoned. When are we going to stop molly coddling these spoilt brats; when they decide carol’s aren’t working so try bombs instead? Or do we stop it now before they go any further?

Scarecrow Repair
Reply to  Richard Page
December 15, 2023 10:14 am

Yes. First time, give ’em a citation with as high a fine as possible. Second time, jail as a proven irredeemable criminal.

December 15, 2023 8:42 am

They pretend to be the good ones, but show to be the idiotic ones.
Their “presentation” is not even laughable.

As intelligence was distributed, they all stayed well hidden somewhere.

Wharfplank
December 15, 2023 8:47 am

Cringe! I’ve seen high school students put on better skits. “And you want to be my energy salesman” (Jerry Seinfeld voice)

Janice Moore
Reply to  Wharfplank
December 15, 2023 10:17 am

THANK YOU, Wharfplank, for some REAL humor.

Here, everyone, for an earwash, is that “Seinfeld” scene:
🙂
“I’m gonna hire you as my latex salesman??
Ah, heh, heh, I — don’t — THINK so.” (~ 00:40)

Janice Moore
Reply to  Wharfplank
December 15, 2023 11:00 am

For more excellent humor, see below, R. H. Shark at 10:06AM. 😀

1saveenergy
December 15, 2023 8:47 am

That’s 3mins (I couldn’t stand anymore) of my life wasted.
Absolute crap.

December 15, 2023 8:47 am

I wonder why no one was watching other than the climate worrier filming

December 15, 2023 8:49 am

O honestly think they’ve done their cause for harm than good with this drivel

Stewart Trickett
December 15, 2023 9:11 am

Like watching a badly produced middle school play.