The main question: How in the HELL does a “scientific” paper get published by Springer with “bullshit” in the title and used over 100 times in the paper? Is this an example of anything goes “pay for play?” What next? Scientific social musings on the F-Word in the context of people you don’t like?
From Tom Nelson:
“Climate denier” is an anti-Semitic trope, conflating skeptics with Holocaust deniers. Leftist groupthink is remarkable in normalizing hatred.
I understand the point you are hoping to make and I detest the implied equivalence of holocaust denial and AGW scepticism, but it is not really anti-semitic. The people who use that term are trying to imply AGW sceptics are monsters. The feebleness of the comparison does diminish the Holocaust, but anyone using the term uses it precisely because they think we are so monstrous we bear comparison to Nazis, not because they think the Holocaust was no big thing.
I do believe casually calling someone Hitler diminishes the history. Given the number of students rioting on behalf of Hamas, ignorance of history is all too encouraged by the Left.
Today it is called in TelAviv “mowing the lawn” – Gaza is to be Palestinian-frei.
Israel tried to make it work..
But Hama blew-up that idea. !
Blew up, raped, murdered and kidnapped the idea away
According to Canadian leftist academics, there were no rapes. Here’s a photo of the open letter. I want to know who signed it.
But was it a hate crime?
Asking for a friend.
According to the Dems, Whatever they deem it to be. If they disagree with who committed the crime, it’s a hate crime.
No. Not “Palestinian-frei”. Hamas radicals free.
It’s a common trait amongst the left. Here in the US, the left frequently declares that anyone who opposes illegal immigration is actually against all immigration.
Anyone who opposes affirmative action, wants to bring back slavery.
Etc.
“Hamas radicals free.”
Trouble is, it is basically impossible to separate the Hamas radical from the Palestinian supporters and helpers.
Hamas has been offered everything they demanded, but they turned it down because the deal left Israel intact.
Hamas goal is to first get rid of all the Jews in the middle east, then the rest of the world. Then they start to work on everyone who doesn’t adhere to their brand of Islam.
What you are saying is that their exaggeration is well-intentioned, so must be forgiven. No thanks.
I don’t normally reply to replies but you are putting words in my mouth. I reject what attribute to me. I am not implying nor hinting nor suggesting they must be forgiven. Quite the opposite.
Well, quelgeek, an explanation, please for Dr. Jim Hansen’s (NASA-GISS) use of “Death Factories” for coal power plants and “Death Trains” for coal trains?
Of course, he might have been thinking of something else entirely, just a coincidence that his own bĕte noire, the great Professor Richard Lindzen is Jewish?
Jolly Jim resigned from NASA so he could be a full time “Activist” rather than just a “scientist” and his former boss had to admit that he should have shown Jim the door, long since.
At least Hansen has had the sense to back nuclear, recognising that weather dependent energy is a very bad joke.
Still, if after I had been to a drinking party, I came upon the Hansen on fire, I would have to grit my teeth to assist him.
You really should re-read what I wrote. As far as I can tell we completely agree.
Those on the left are so convinced of their infallibility, that they believe the only possible reason why anyone could disagree with them, is because those who disagree are evil.
And in their minds, the good guys are entitled to do whatever it takes to defeat evil.
True, but they also play games with language, as Orwell noted in 1984. Godwin’s Law tends to eliminate any distinctions between any issues. If energy policy is equated with deliberate mass murder, why make distinctions at all?
“because those who disagree are evil”
or just stupid or, what’s that word Hillary used?
Democrat? 😎
I finally remembered- she called Trump supporters “deplorables”. That cost her a few votes.
It’s the same construction used for decades … lefties claim righties are evil, while righties claim lefties are stupid. Actually, lefties are both evil and stupid (see, communism and the 70+ millions they murdered in the 20th century – evil and stupid.
It’s been over 200 years that a Government was formed on the ideal that the only just purpose of Government was to protect the freedom of will the Induvial from those that would usurp it, both foreign and domestic, including the Government they formed.
We’ve fallen along way from that.
PS I remember some years ago during the Republican primaries (I don’t remember if Reagan was running for reelection or if it was afterward.), Rush commented that he was against John McCain because he wasn’t against Big Government. McCain just thought a Republican could run your life better than a Democrat.
Anyone who thinks that more government is the solution to every problem, definitely qualifies as stupid.
Actually, the term “denier” is used as a pro-semitic term. Anti semites deny the Holocaust took place. Using “denier” with climate skepticism is intended to equate climate skepticism with anti-semitism, i.e., it is used as a smear..
The lefties are using the same construction regarding those who do not believe Trump lost the 2020 election, again, in an attempt to smear those with that opinion.
The context seems fairly clear. Denial means refusing to accept a fact. The Climageddon crowd wants us to accept “science” they can’t explain or understand as fact.
On the other hand, the documentation about and first-hand accounts of the Holocaust are convincing enough that denying the Holocaust is likely a sign that someone is antisemitic.
The problem isn’t with using a term; it’s with using the term improperly.
There are a lot of antisemites out there – mostly on the left these days, but quite a few on the right as well. They should be called out for their specific actions. People like Obama, Biden, Kerry, Corbyn, just about every university president… they should be called out for their antisemitism.
The word denial was not invented after the Holocaust, nor did it acquire a new meaning.
How many on the right can you name who are anti-semitic?
Just saying that there must be some doesn’t cut it.
No-one has EVER been able to say what is “DENIED” that they can produce any hard scientific proof for.
May as well talk about “denying” the existence of unicorns, and the big bad wolf. !
Notice watermelons very much like the use of “denier” over “skeptic”. This cuz whole segments of the population can be skeptical of not just the claims, but the claimed solutions, skeptical of the value of taxes, infringements on what are considered human rights, and so on…..just too big of a possible opposition….so they pick on someone who they call “deniers” as if they are mentally incompetent….yet very few people actually deny that the climate is a degree or so warmer than it was in 1850….what is being “denied” is whether the plans to rectify a potential future problem make technical and economic sense.
“yet very few people actually deny that the climate is a degree or so warmer than it was in 1850″
The problem with your statement is that there is no “the climate”. Some places are warmer, some are cooler, some have remained relatively static. You can’t average them together and discover anything meaningful.
It appears the standard we use to exchange peer reviewed knowledge now it even deeper in the out house . When writers could choose their “peers” I quit believing most of what was published. Was this peer reviewed or rear reviewed .
Desperation…. thy name is BS.
Perhaps Luczak is a troll or an aficionado. I’ll reserve judgement until I read the bullshit article.
It is a really hopeful sign when they descend to childish name-calling. Serious people who are on the fence see that, and it turns them off. It may be fun and therapeutic for the writer, but it’s counterproductive.
Something we should also keep in mind when commenting here.
Amen.
Reminds me of Penn States “investigation” of Mann after Climategate.
They let him chose what questions they would ask!
Isn’t spriner the same company that retracted the peer reviewed paper that proved natural disasters haven’t been increasing, at the same time they validated the science? Yeah. They are batting 1000!
It is a matter of perspective and proper spin like this old joke
The Plan
In the beginning, there was a plan,
And then came the assumptions,
And the assumptions were without form,
And the plan without substance,
And the darkness was upon the face of the workers,
And they spoke among themselves saying,
“It is a crock of shit and it stinks.”
And the workers went unto their Supervisors and said,
“It is a pile of dung, and we cannot live with the smell.”
And the Supervisors went unto their Managers saying,
“It is a container of excrement, and it is very strong,
Such that none may abide by it.”
And the Managers went unto their Directors saying,
“It is a vessel of fertilizer, and none may abide by its strength.”
And the Directors spoke among themselves saying to one another,
“It contains that which aids plants growth, and it is very strong.”
And the Directors went to the Vice Presidents saying unto them,
“It promotes growth, and it is very powerful.”
And the Vice Presidents went to the President, saying unto him,
“This new plan will actively promote the growth and vigor
Of the company With very powerful effects.”
And the President looked upon the Plan
And saw that it was good,
And the Plan became Policy.
Been there, done that, quit the Federal government over it.
One of my favorites!
Reminds me of this.
Pardon me, but you have a little Gray poopon you
This may be a case where the alarmists have just shot themselves in the foot.
Remember those photo ops with people in white lab coats giving them an air of competency? What happens when the mud and the manure start flying in a written document? The mud and manure get everywhere, particularly on those throwing it. It shows only emotion and desperation. The swearing is not an argument and certainly not convincing.
The best way for skeptics to handle this is to ignore it. When your adversaries are digging themselves deeper and deeper into a hole, it’s best to not interrupt them.
Just who is denying what? As usual, the Left has everything BACKWARD. It is the Left who denies that the climate changes, naturally, always.
CAGW or, as they say now, “Climate Change” has never been more than Political Science, a lever to power.
The USA and other free nations (or, at least semi-free) are crippling themselves in the name of this “existential threat” while those like China are building coal-fired power plants at a record rate.
All for “The Cause”.
What? Is Springer Link a scientific authority of sorts? Some kind of hounal, research institute or officaly academic publication? I doubt it, but you never know given the state of “science” and “academia”.
Springer is a major publisher in Europe and is editor of quite a few peer reviewed scientific journals, mainly in the German language. The owner of Springer had very friendly relations with Chancellor Merkel, and since then this company seems to be going in one direction: downwards.
Can I recommend Harry G. Frankfurt’s small but excellent book? (An ideal stocking-stuffer for yourself or a loved one.)
Frankfurt recommends too The Prevalence of Humbug and Other Essays by Max Black Subtle difference between bullshit and humbug is analyzed deeply.
Social scientists finally found a word they all understand.
Oh no, they only understand it as applied to others.
The irony is that the entire field of Sociology has descended into bullshit, makes its living from bullshit, and that Joshua Luczak is slinging bullshit.
The entire Climate Crisis!™ is first water bullshit science.
Maybe CTM can invite Prof. Luczak to post his thesis here at WUWT and defend his case.
And he’d be welcome to bring his climatology power-house shock-troops with him as back-up.
I wonder if he’s the chap who often comments on Judith Curry’s blog.
Old Cocky,
We must be thinking of different people.
If you mean ….1950, then I have been taking it easy to avoid being accused of anti-feminism. You think it is a he?
Geoff S
Yep, we must be thinking of different people. 1950 doesn’t ring a bell.
“Entire field of Sociology”
“Sociology” is a soft science. It’s all about statistics.
There are honest sociologist just trying to understand … “Society”?
They enter into BS when they try to “shape” society.
It’s all about statistics packages rather than statistics.
I can’t find the reference, but one of the “conspiracy theory” papers reported respondents believed mutually contradictory conspiracy theories (Princess Di, from memory)
The actual correlation vector was derived those who didn’t believe any of them.
I think you are referring to Lewandowski and Cook’s second paper which tried to demonstrate that Climate “Deniers” were likely to believe that Elvis was still alive and that the Moon landing was filmed in a Hollywood parking lot.
Even the full time Reality Deniers had to admit that Lewandowski and Cook were, hmmmm, a bit strange.
And that was before photos of Cook turned up dressed in full SS costume.
From memory, there was a reference in the comments relating to the Lewandowski and Cook “Conspiracy ideation” paper.
It wasn’t their paper itself which made that particular error.
“It’s all about statistics.”
A VERY basic level of statistics, which very few “social scientists” have the ability to comprehend..
Applying statistics like they do this sort of BS…. just wipe it on and hope it sticks.
The list of problems social scientists ignore to use statistics is long but the biggest and easiest to work with is the “everything is normally distributed” assumption.
It is even more of a challenge when you use data in your ‘statistical analysis’ that was tweaked, adjusted, homogenised or just plain made up.
But as the doomsayers and shroudwavers understand, the virtue signalling and remunative ends sure justify the shabby and mendacious means!
You can only take “and then this part of the brain lights up” so far before you have to make stuff up.
Springer are very bias leftists.
Just wait until they start using AI for peer review.
Anthony,
I am shocked, shocked I tell you; to see WUWT stoop to such obvious misinformation! The pile on the table pictured is clearly NOT bullshit! It cannot even be the exudation of a horse’s a$$ like Mikey Mann! Having worked a lot around both horses and cattle, and having shoveled large quantities of both types of excrement I can tell you with great authority that bullshit usually is disc-like, and best thrown like a Frisbee; or, better yet, flung like a discus!
Those large spheres look like “road apples,” from a horse of immense size, and fed who knows what! Perhaps it is from a creature that is only fed BS and garbage, like most Climate Catastrophists. Hmmm. Maybe Mikey Mann was involved after all!
On the other hand there’s a certain ironical justice in misrepresenting bullshit.
Maybe its non-BSness is why the white-coated folks are so closely puzzled.
I remember the first ‘frisbees’ we had before we discovered the plastic ones.
Me too!
Marty threw it at Mad Dog Tannin!! 😎
(I really do remember the day’s before Frisbees. To paraphrase that line from the old guy on the porch in “It’s a Wonderful Life”, “Youth is wasted on the young.”
(I’m constantly reminded of things I used to be able to do but can’t do anymore. If not for my wife, I’d be living in the ER. 😎 )
So you think you know Jack Shit and family, eh?
Nice to hear from an expert, however, they look like Moose Muffins to me, which are quite yummy.
Thanks, Ron! As part of my continuing education in distinguishing various types of excrement, I was wondering if the color of those “moose spheres” was typical? Most “road apples” are much lighter in color, and the only moose I’ve ever encountered was in a ground and grilled form; I think I’ll pass on the Moose Muffins!
abolition man, this whole saga reminds me of elk hunting in Salmon, Idaho. The local 7-1 sold plastic bags of chocolate made to look like elk droppings. The idea was to palm one and show your amateur hunting buddy the way to tell if the droppings you see in the woods are fresh enough for an elk to be nearby. So, palm one and pretend to pick up one of the droppings and taste it, chew it up, and declare it is really fresh.
You correctly describe “cowpies” and distinguish them from “horse (or road) apples”. Been on the farm a time or two, myself!
Yeah, never try using a fresh cowpat as a frisbee – you really won’t like the results.
reminds me of that asian guy…… Who-Flung-Dung !
They look like something a HUGE dung beetle might create !
Such is the state of the true climate deniers who deny the facts and the scientific evidence that CO2 is not a problem, but is a necessity. They don’t have the facts in their favor, so they bend to ad hominem attacks and foul language.
I had a subscription to Nature for a long long time. Based on where I was working at the time, sometime between 1980 and 1986, Nature published two articles which made me realize they were not quite as serious as they liked to pretend. May have even been in the same issue, I do not remember.
One addressed the problem if getting one ewe to accept the newborn lamb of an ewe who had died giving birth. They reported that if you vaginally stimulated the ewe while presenting the strange lamb, the ewe was more likely to accept the strange lamb.
Another addressed the “problem” of too much salt in one’s diet. Apparently someone flew on long haul Qantas flights with various different substitute salt shaker tops. Some had more holes, some had fewer. Some had smaller holes, some had larger. The “researcher” observed that most people got frustrated with smaller or fewer holes, some even gouging out the holes with their forks (must have been in the days of metal forks; was this first class only?).
The lamb-ewe one struck me as at least useful, even if giggle-inducing, but hardly the kind of article useful to the wide audience of such a prestigious journal.
The salt one was just silliness by someone who flew back and forth a lot and wanted to turn the tickets into an expense he could write off.
The 1980s were a more innocent time. Metal forks would not be impossible.
It is an event to celebrate when pseudo academics don’t even try to disguise their:
Well, this sort of stuff usually means that the perpetrator knows they are losing the argument.
Yeah.
But they can always console themselves as they laugh all the way to the bank.
They’re full of Shiite.
What a stench
In the Asian Journal of Philosophy? Seems way out of place.
I like Tom Nelson’s podcast- it’s vastly underappreciated. It gets a fair number of views, but not nearly as much as it deserves.
The brown stuff in the photo looks like Shinola™.
However, I am not an expert on either.
Younger readers may need to search-up ‘Doesn’t know shit from Shinola’
When you learn, you’re gonna be aaaalright..
Left looks like Kerry?
If you read the paper it’s data free claims are completely full of bullshit
Probably fair to say that it was not the finest hour for the editors and reviewers at the Asian Journal of Philosophy.
The word “Bullshit” has a precise technical meaning. It’s not just obscenity.
It comes from the 1988 paper ‘On Bullshit – The Importance of What We Care About
(Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1988)’.
That paper can be found here:
43200212.indd (uca.edu)
This is more proof that the CAGW crowd has nothing. I swear but then I am not writing what passes for a scientific paper. There is no place for that nonsense in a proper paper. The heads of the journal should be fired and the peer reviewers should be blackballed for accepting this kind of trash.
That paper is not the only one.
Wow. And this is ‘the science’ that they are so proud of. They can keep it.
What I want to know is….
Where are our local blog AGW trollettes to defend this article !
I doubt any would come out against this sort of garbage.
You might want to Google that + “Lewandowsky”
The second explanatory note at the end of this paper is “…no claim is being made about what a climate denier believes”. That would seem to be a significant hindrance to potential proof of its accuracy….you know….scientifically speaking….
Plainly, the entire paper is a huge steaming heap of psychological projection.
As always, every single thing the left accuses others of, it exactly what they themselves are doing.
As for that photograph, per the UN agenda of switching us all to a bug diet, the younger generation simply will not know what meatballs are.