Wasting Time with Climate Science?

Opinion by Kip Hansen — 1 August 2023

Here I ask a simple question.  Are we all wasting our time with climate science?  Reading about it, writing about it, worrying about it, fighting about it, arguing about it.

To my horror, I discover that I have been involved in this enterprise for far more than a decade, originally writing from the Caribbean where my wife and I were living on our sailing catamaran while doing various humanitarian projects.   Not quite as long as Anthony Watts, who started WUWT in 2006, but nearly.

Anthony’s efforts led him to be the owner and host of the world’s most viewed website on climate.  Given that WUWT represents the “minority report” on climate, that is a heck of an achievement.  Yet the jury is still out on how much of an impact on climate policy and public opinion this site, and the dozen or so other high impact climate skeptic websites, blogs, podcasts, etc.,  have made and will make.   

Much of the “climate science” being done, at least that small portion that reaches the public eye by appearing in the mass media, falls into that category which the honorable Dr. Judith Curry long ago labelled “climate science ‘taxonomy’” – “‘taxonomy’, i.e. research that is neither useful nor contributes to fundamental understanding”.  That type of so-called climate science is turned into climate alarm in spades, in diamonds, in hearts and in clubs – the whole deck.

I am speaking of the nonsense one reads and hears from NPR, PBS, BBC, NBC, AP, CNN, Reuters, ABC, the NY Times,  the Guardian, the Washington Post – many of whom have openly joined themselves into propaganda cabals ( and this one) dedicated to spreading misleading information about climate and climate change.  [A new one has just been announced: GRIST and AP. ]  Even when a media organization is not directly associated with one of these collaborative misinformation outlets, their editors and journalists have to face the wrath of those that are – there are few working journalists willing to fight the tide on climate alarmism.

Even the IPCC-boosting Pielke Jr. has been blasting the media for repeating absolutely false narratives on extreme weather — the very same media that repeats endlessly the mindboggling crazy pronouncements of U.N. Secretary-General António Guterres — “the era of global boiling has arrived.”

CLINTEL, has just published an extremely valuable book, “The Frozen Climate Views of the IPCC“, widely available, in softcover and eBook formats.  The book examines the IPCC’s AR6 and documents biases and errors in the Working Group 1 (Scientific Basis) and Working Group 2 (Impacts, Adaptation and Vulnerability) reports.  [Disclosure: I contributed one of the chapters – thus have a conflict of interest.]

We see the forked-tongued enemy.  A two-pronged approach.  First, the underlying science is slightly warped, slightly biased, misleadingly reported in the latest IPCC Assessment Report (AR6) WG1 and WG2.  A lot of this is simple confirmation bias and forced-consensus biasing.   The truth in is there, but one needs to dodge the rhetoric and look only at the data itself, which is mostly correct.   And then, the Summaries for Policy Makers (SPMs)  wildly misrepresent what the science sections have said and transmogrify it into something barely recognizable. 

From the SPMs, the politicians, media moguls, the Davos Crowd, the Green-New-Dealers, the Great Reset-ers, turn the SPM political opinions into outright lies and give the media propaganda cabals their marching orders.

And then, here we are.  Here I am.  I have written about 100 essays and opinion pieces here since 2020 alone.  I’ve been at it more than a decade.  There are a few dozen of others like myself who have researched and written endlessly, both in books and on the ‘Net,  to expose the lies, the disinformation, the misinformation, and the slimy political-shenanigans behind the efforts to “decarbonize” the economy of the world in the name of fighting global cooling, global warming, climate change, the climate crisis.

Every few years we see a slight shift towards the climate skeptic way of thinking in the general populace – and recently, a few nudges in our direction from governments.  The UK will drill-baby-drill to supply its own energy needs from its own resources.  Japan is re-opening nuclear power plants and building new ones.  In November last year, General Motors announced that it will stick with internal combustion engines.  India, the third-largest greenhouse gas emitter and the world’s most populous country , is planning for an expansion of its oil and gas sectors (even as it aims to hit net zero by 2070).   Those living in the real world realize that as Africa grows itself into prosperity, into the world of middle-class nations, it will do so on the back of coal and petroleum produced electricity.  Even relatively well-developed South Africa has acknowledged it needs to continue to burn coal for the present and foreseeable future.

I hope that readers see the obvious contrasts between the “reality” presented daily in the world’s mass media and what is actually happening in the world.  A large percentage of the material appearing on this website points out those contrasts, every single day.  Heartland, the CO2 Coalition, Clintel and other international climate skeptical organizations do so in print and through broadcasts, podcasts, YouTubes and interviews on wide-reaching news outlets. There are many climate skeptic oriented bloggers doing good work. Some of the “good news” is getting out there. 

Is what we do worthwhile?   Yes — It is always worthwhile to do what is right, to do what is good, to tell the truth, to fight the good fight against falsehoods and lies. 

But are we making an impact?  I can no longer tell – I am having a little bit of a “I think I’m burnt-out” stage.  I see a news article about a topic, and I think, “That’s utter claptrap, I’ll write about that.” Only to discover that I’ve already written about it a half-dozen times and really have nothing further to say than what I have already said.   I sometimes fear I just don’t have anything more to say, at all – and when I teach Public Speaking, I tell students, “If you don’t have anything to say —  don’t get up to speak or if you are already up, sit  back down.”

So, my question for the day, and please do comment, I promise not to get mad at you…..

Should I just sit back down and shut up? 

or

Should I keep banging away, just because ‘someone has to’?

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Author’s Comment:

I guess the same question applies to all of us here….

This is, I hope obviously, a piece meant to stimulate discussion.  So, please, please, discuss.

On Pielke Jr.:  I like Pielke Jr.  He does good work.  He tells the truth as he sees it.  He is one of the most effective of the “climate skeptical voices”, albeit in his own way.  He is an IPCC-booster but even he thinks it needs serious reform. He has paid a heavy price for his temerity.  Read his substack.

And yes, I do think that there is also some nonsense published here – some even written by me.  That’s the price we pay for freedom.  But, the way I see it, we err in an honest search for truth.

I don’t expect to take too much of a role in the discussion, I have said what I have to say above. But, if your start a comment with “Kip…”, I’ll try to reply.

Thanks for reading.

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Jonathan
August 2, 2023 8:15 am

Kip –

I am an economist whose entire career (40 years) has been in the energy industry – electric utilities, regulator, energy policy, etc. I write a lot about the idiocy of renewables, especially offshore wind. Since I started, energy policy in the US has been idiotic, with politicians and advocates spewing stuff that makes one shake one’s head. For example, Washington state imposed a carbon cap-and-trade system in January and, surprise!, gasoline prices have increased. The politicians are denouncing the refineries and wholesalers for colluding and price gouging. I dealt with the same claims over 30 years when I worked for the state. As for my more recent writings, I get denounced as on Exxon’s and the Koch Brothers’ payroll (I wish!), etc. It is frustrating and at times I feel like “What’s the point?” But we must keep trying. It’s the only possible approach because the alternative–giving in to the idiots, charlatans, and grifters–means we will return to a Hobbsian feudal society. I don’t want that, especially for my kids and grandkids.

August 2, 2023 8:20 am

Kip, keep up the good work, simply repost if you have told us before! Always worth the read.

John Hultquist
August 2, 2023 8:27 am

TIP:  https://grist.org/culture/climate-change-polar-bears-symbol-history/

I just sent a note to Susan C., maybe she will write a review of this Grist article.

August 2, 2023 8:34 am

My replay to you question: “Should I keep banging away, just because ‘someone has to’?”

Yes.

Winston Churchill expressed it most eloquently, even when the future appeared bleak:
“We shall not flag nor fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France and on the seas and oceans; we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air. We shall defend our island whatever the cost may be; we shall fight on beaches, landing grounds, in fields, in streets and on the hills. We shall never surrender and even if, which I do not for the moment believe, this island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, will carry on the struggle until in God’s good time the New World with all its power and might, sets forth to the liberation and rescue of the Old.”

Substitute the fight for the survival of science under the threat from ignorance in place of the fight of the survival of Great Britain under threat from Axis powers in Churchill’s speech, and you have the motivation needed to continue to fight the good fight.

Reply to  ToldYouSo
August 2, 2023 4:56 pm

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August 2, 2023 8:59 am

I’ve come to the same distressing point: regardless of the obvious facts I referenced, the alarmists don’t change their opinions and fears and desire to “do the right thing”. The political agents and media titans have produced an armored surface for their absurd announcements. I get blinking and turning away even to point out that, fir my felliw Albertans, the Little Ice Age was real and the signs are literally on the hiking trails we enjoy in our mountain parks.

I have given up … except I know lean in. Say that I’m enthusiastic about the terrible heat, fires and tornadoes and bad hurricanes, and HOPE they get even worse as fast as possible. Why? Because the authorities will justify an immediate cessation of fossil fuel usage. Because …

Because the sooner the madness of ending fossil fuels and nuclear power for solar and wind happens, the sooner people will realize it is madness. Urban deaths from heat/cold when the grid fails. Nobody but the rich can – and will continue to – travel, with economic ruin for tourism, even local jaunts. And if that isn’t enough, regimes invoking national crisis to reveal their authoritarian/fascist/Marxist agendas to “solve” CO2 usage ….. while China, India, Africa and the rich make no effort to stabiluze, let alone reduce, their CO2 output.

One of two things then happens. A revolutionary pragmatism steps in. The alarmists are exposed as grifters and power-hungry liars. The dream of a Good Life for ordinary citizens returns. Or the Gestapo state is enforced, which will punish these idiots who vote for the Green Autocrats, while we know that such dictatorial regimes don’t last, even if the end is painful.

Yeah, I’m both cynical and fed-up. I’m not seeing any success in overcoming the narratives of Rachel Maddows and Michael Manns. It seems fear generates a passion and energy and self importance that the great unwashed need to get out if bed each day. The latest game for their XBox doesn’t, unsurprisingly, do it.

Paul B
August 2, 2023 9:01 am

Perhaps the wrong tool has been chosen to wage this battle. You can pound a nail all day with a screwdriver and never drive the nail.

We are trying to change minds steeped in emotion with reason. I submit that reason must received by people who have the chops to understand it. Yet we have at least one and maybe two generations of citizens with abysmal educations, especially in science/math.

It’s a perfect storm of stupidity; from leaders, to press, to rent seekers. The ignorance is pervasive and deep. Until that is changed, our screwdrivers are useless.

Tom Ganley
August 2, 2023 9:28 am

I think going on about the science is just a waste of time anymore. There are so few people that will do what someone like Nick Stokes does, think, read and try and make a coherent argument. Everybody else I know that believes in the climate religion just calls you names.

The way you can get to them though, is show how much it costs. Hammer away at that and you may get somewhere. The articles you linked above all go to that point.

Then there is the human cost. Here’s an example. I was in Berlin a few weeks ago. I see an old lady at the grocery store Lidl, dragging a big bag of plastic bottles across the parking lot. In Germany there is a 25 cent deposit on any plastic bottle. Then there is a machine inside the store where you stuff the bottle in and it spits your 25 back out. And there is always a line.

I said to my German friend, what kind of people do that? Make your grannies drag trash through a parking lot and wait in line to stuff it into a machine?

‘Have you no shame?” or “How will our children ever pay for this?”. I think those will work better than any statistics you can come up with.

Good luck and thanks for your efforts to encourage sanity.

barryjo
August 2, 2023 9:37 am

“Sit down and shut up!”. Wouldn’t the alarmists just love that. In order to be recognized and heard, one must stand up.

Dave Andrews
August 2, 2023 9:50 am

Kip, take a sabbatical, go sailing with your wife, refresh the batteries but please, please return here. Your posts are always thought provoking and worthwhile -as many here have testified.

August 2, 2023 10:10 am

Yes we are – the globes brightest should accept climate changes, always has, always will and simply look at mitigation and adaption techniques
Building new homes on known flood plains is sheer stupid, almost as stupid as trying to power a nation with intermittent wind & solar

August 2, 2023 10:19 am

Dear Kip

You may feel jaded, discouraged and hopeless. You may feel that it’s all a thankless, pointless task. You may feel that you’re not making a difference. You may feel like Sisyphus, pushing that damned boulder up the hill, only to watch it roll down again.

But try to take courage from the fact that you are part of a small group of thinkers who are doing The Right Thing. Not because you will benefit from it in any way, just because it is The Right Thing. You are helping to create and maintain an island of light,sanity, logic and reason in the endless darkness of hysteria masquerading as information, and propaganda masquerading as science. Every light that goes out means that the darkness closes in just a little more, and the Climate Juggernaut gets a little closer to crushing us into forced conformity.

Try to take comfort from the fact that “climate” is only one front in a multi-pronged attack on the values that we think of as The Enlightenment. There are other isolated, embattled, loosely-knit groups of free thinkers trying to slow the onslaught of pernicious and destructive pseudo-philosophies that congregate under the umbrella we call “woke”. And real people are losing their reputations, their careers, their families, and even their freedom by trying to stand up against the onslaught of the rαce-gεnder-equity-pronoun machine. “We” are not alone.

Climate propaganda has gone into overdrive this last year. The dates that our leaders have set for net zero are getting closer. The endgame is fast approaching. Perhaps the whole thing will collapse under the weight of its own impossibility. Perhaps the Holocene interglacial will decide it’s time to quit. In any case, voices of sanity will be needed to help putting an end to the madness.

Thank you Kip, for your stimulating and informative contributions over the years. Stay strong, stay free, keep it up as long as you can. We need you, and all the others like you. There has to be a better future coming, even if we don’t know what it will look like.

August 2, 2023 10:35 am

Kip,

My first article published here on WUWT (out of 15) was in 2015; I had been commenting regularly for some time before that. My involvement in the environmental issues goes back farther, having written a fairly sophisticated deterministic computer model circa 1985, on my Amiga computer, to estimate the surface UV flux based on published Total Ozone Mapping Spectrometer data, taking into account astronomical alignments of the Earth to correct for path lengths, seasons, sun spots, and distance from the sun.

Like you, I’ve been feeling some burn out symptoms because the alarmist claims are like zombies. I think that I have killed one of the bigger zombies, only to turn around and discover it is back at my doorstep grunting the same malevolent, poorly supported, usually innumerate predictions, accompanied by much hand flailing.

I think that the core problem is that the mostly liberal ‘news’ media have pretty much got a lock on what the public reads (including politicians), and they see to it that the public reads their agenda on climate (and gun control). On the internet, the major news sources also started to censor comments about the time that COVID hit, often based on key words. The media, such as Yahoo, also regularly mix OpEds or Letters to the Editor with actual news. Laymen tend to get on the bandwagon, being unable to independently analyze the various claims and counter claims. Therefore, while it isn’t good science, dominating the discussion with one side of the story makes for good politics.

There are far too many practicing scientists who face the reality of “Publish or perish,” and find it easier to get published if they “go with the flow.” There are also issues with ‘peer review,’ which largely serves to act as gate keepers for the lucrative technical publishing business, insuring that they maintain credibiity, at the expense of suppressing anything that isn’t doctrinaire, and stifling creative thinking. Unfortunately, there are incidences where influential reviewers have corrupted the process even more to suppress views they disagree with.

I don’t see any simple solution(s) to the myriad problems, short of the public getting disgusted with being manipulated and lied to. I don’t have much hope for that happening during my lifetime.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
August 2, 2023 12:07 pm

Great comment Clyde
I am one of those ordinary folk, who on being battered with constant climate alarmism via MSM etc, decided to look deeper into it
My journey led me through many varied websites, reports, blogs, books etc, looking at both sides of the climate agenda, to find the truth, the facts
As a professional Electrical Engineer and HV Power Generation PM with many years hands on competence, I have always dealt in science fact, empirical data and long established laws and conventions – no one questions Newtons Laws of Motion, because the science really is settled, it’s proven fact, it is not consensus
After several years of questioning everything climate related, I have concluded the science is far from settled and consensus is no way to advance science and technology and ultimately human progress
I understand, from my competence in physics, mathematics and electrical engineering, how inept wind & solar power are, without sufficient storage, to power a nation, yet many ordinary folk do not and they are preyed upon by snake oil salesmen keen to make even more billions
We must fight the good fight, with all our might, like Scientists & Engineers with integrity do

Reply to  Energywise
August 2, 2023 8:13 pm

The acceptance of the “ordinary folk” of poorly supported claims of existential threats from ‘tipping points,’ suggests to me that there should be a great opportunity for used-bridge salesmen.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
August 2, 2023 8:09 pm

Thank you, Kip.

John Power
August 2, 2023 10:38 am

Kip,
 
You say: ‘But are we making an impact? I can no longer tell – I am having a little bit of a “I think I’m burnt-out” stage.’
 
If you cannot see what impact your actions are having on the situation then I think you are in the same position as a car-driver who cannot tell whether or not the direction in which he’s chosen to travel is really taking him any closer to his intended destination. In that case, I think it is probably wisest to take a break for a while for some well-deserved R&R and to gather fresh information about your journey, where you’re really at on it, what you would need to do to complete it and whether or not you still want to do that anyway.
 
These questions cannot be answered in a moment – they require deep and careful consideration and only you can answer them, of course, so you need to take as long as it will take regardless of how long anyone might want you to take over it. And if you are beginning to think that you are suffering from ‘burn-out’ then I think that is another sign that you need to take a complete break from the ‘battle’ to restore your inner-strength and consider the next stage of your life-journey with a mind that is serene and free of care.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
August 2, 2023 5:08 pm

Kip

“I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”

Mark Twain

Go sailing mate.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
August 2, 2023 8:20 pm

Kip, and I probably have fewer years left than you, unless I become a statistical ‘anomaly’ and become a centenerian.

August 2, 2023 11:31 am

As Churchill once said – ‘When you’re going through hell, keep going’
Kip, as a relative newcomer to WUWT, I would advise, keep going – the world and it’s people need as many saviours as possible in this brave new world
I don’t write papers etc like you do, but, having heavily researched both sides of the climate debate, I do realise the science is far from settled, that many alarmists are making big bucks from alarmism, that many people believe what the blob tells them to believe and many do not
I am always happy to get into debates with alarmists and pick apart their often regurgitated sound bites and ‘facts’, it’s not only fun, but you can change minds in the process – their often ad hominem attacks just show their lack of science, fact, data and integrity
in short, my advice is continue to make a difference, the alarmists are very tedious and wear you down I agree, but ordinary people, seeking information and guidance need our balance – not all heroes wear capes

Reply to  Kip Hansen
August 2, 2023 5:10 pm

Qualifications mean nothing.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
August 2, 2023 8:24 pm

… by accident I suppose, got invited before they realized.

Some of the greatest advances in science were the result of accidents. 🙂

SteveZ56
August 2, 2023 12:17 pm

Keep up the good work, Kip!

It’s understandable that you might feel “burned out” after years of publishing research and essays, while watching uninformed journalists and politicians pushing more and more scary stories about global warming.

But the fact remains that nature is on our side. It’s still prohibitively expensive to build enough solar panels and windmills to provide for the energy needs of 8 billion people, who all want to share in the prosperity made possible by burning fossil fuels. So when people start receiving the bills for “net zero”, they will revolt, and go back to cheaper, more reliable sources of energy, and not worry about a fraction of a degree of “average” temperature change over decades, when they see much larger temperature changes every day and night.

Also, it is helpful to bring the perspective of time to the younger generation who may be influenced by today’s global warming propaganda, by pointing out the doomsday predictions from yesteryear (such as the 1980’s) that have failed to materialize, such as the melting of the North Pole or the flooding of Florida. If a “scientist” (or his computer model) couldn’t predict the known past, how can he (or the model) be trusted to predict the unknown future?

Reply to  Kip Hansen
August 2, 2023 5:13 pm

The amusing thing is, humanity will learn nothing.

“Amusing” only because people keep repeating that we should learn from our past, yet we are still fighting futile wars.

Writing Observer
August 2, 2023 12:25 pm

Science – in the broadest sense – is the search for FACTS, from which LOGICAL interpretations can be made.

Politics – again, in the broadest sense – is the search for FEELINGS, from which EMOTIONAL interpretations can be made.

Politics, however, IS dependent on “facts” actually BEING facts. Otherwise, it is more or less ephemeral.

This is the importance of WUWT, and writers like yourself, Kip – you consistently present “facts” that ARE facts, not the mental quicksand of falsehood upon which the current politics are founded.

Yes, I can empathize with the feeling of futility that can sometimes overtake you. But this, too, shall pass, so long as we do not give up the fight. As noted by another post on the home page today – when confronted by the FACT that “Net Zero” is going to cost them a significant amount of hard-earned money, the feelings of even those who believe in it turn quite negative. Which will have, eventually, as it expands, an influence on the toxic politics.

E. Schaffer
August 2, 2023 1:04 pm

You, Anthony, Tony and all the others can hate me as much as you want for pointing it out, but you are only scratching at the surface. Your effort may be in vain because you are simply not doing a good enough job. There are profound mistakes in the science and you just do not realize it. Instead you mainly keep bringing up a lot of poor and unsubstantiated arguments, that rightfully get ignored by consensus scientists. To make matters worse, you are not even willing to discuss genuine climate science problems and talk down those who do. Let me give you an example; a short conversation between me and G. Schmidt on Twitter:

Me:
You might (not) like this one. Anyway, it gives a profound answer to what you asked..
https://greenhousedefect.com/basic-greenhouse-defects/the-anatomy-of-a-climate-science-disaster
9:27 PM · Apr 5, 2023

Gavin:
I fail to see why you think there is some big conspiracy here? Tables for emissivity etc get updated all the time without having much impact on sensitivity or overall estimates of the GHE. You have, however, neglected LW reflection in your description of upward LW. https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f64f.svg
9:47 PM · Apr 5, 2023

Me:
Conspiracy? I go with Hanlon’s razor. The physical basics have been there for 50 years at least. No updates so far. And again, you’d have to adept plenty of parameters affecting all of climate modelling..
9:59 PM · Apr 5, 2023

https://twitter.com/erich_schaffer/status/1643697001064718342

The article addresses very profound issues with surface emissions, overstating the GHE, climate sensitivity and how Wilber et al, Trenberth et al and eventually G. Schmidt himself are doing bad science.

Interestingly Gavin did not even dispute the blunders, rather he defends it with “not being a big conspiracy”. I never claimed it was btw. In other words, he admits: yes we were wrong! He tries to attanuate the mistake by claiming it would not make much difference. It is an ill-fated argument however, because if there were no GHGs, there would neither be LW radiation to be reflected by the surface. Also the GHE is indeed defined as difference between emissions(!) TOA and from the surface, there are numerous sources. Anyway..

The thing is, you can win the argument, if you have a valid point. And consensus scientists are suprisingly open to discuss them.

Now let us compare this with WUWT on the same story..

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/04/06/why-we-need-an-independent-global-climate-temperature-database/

Anthony:
Mr. Schaffer, you seem to CONSTANTLY spam threads here with your off-topic pet projects. Stop it, or I’ll put you on moderation. You’ve been warned more than once. No further warnings will be issued.
Anthony

I should add that my post was indeed off topic. However there never were any “warnings”, but instead there was unhidden plagiarism of my “pet project” here on WUWT. See for yourself..

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/01/18/the-climate-feedback-debate/

https://greenhousedefect.com/the-holy-grail-of-ecs/vapor-feedback-ii-the-lapse-rate-and-the-feedback-catastrophe

I can’t help it, but the bigotry here is worse than on the consensus side, and effectively you do more to defend ill fated consensus believes, than they do.

Reply to  E. Schaffer
August 2, 2023 5:19 pm

You mate, are a self obsessed w@nker.

No one hates you. Don’t flatter yourself.

Your arguments are sh!t, but we listen to them. Then we shoot them down.

Reply to  E. Schaffer
August 2, 2023 8:40 pm

And consensus scientists are suprisingly [sic] open to discuss them.

That hasn’t been my experience. I’ve had comments deleted from The Conversation after pointing out that the author didn’t understand specular reflection and was obviously unfamiliar with Fresnel’s Equation.

It is widely held that public forums discussing both sides of the claims don’t take place because the “consensus scientists” are unwilling to participate.

Even Anthony is only human and can make mistakes. However, if you were off topic, then you don’t really have a strong complaint. Play by the rules and you don’t have to worry about the referee making a bad call.

ferdberple
August 2, 2023 1:39 pm

Kip, the answer to your question is yes. The reason is simple. When trying to break a rock, find the weakest point and beat on this until it breaks. Hammering all over the rock is a waste of effort, it won’t work.

Climate Science is no different. Attacking a hundred errors is simply pounding all over the rock. This is what has been going on.

In science, there is only one metric to decide fact from fiction. Prediction of an unexpected result.

Prediction of global warming is not a testable prediction because it has happened many times in the past for reasons that are not known. Modern warming may simply be another example.

However, the Climate Science prediction of dangerous global warming is predicated on the tropospheric hotspot to amplify warming. Yet, this has never been observed and in science, this is a failed prediction, which renders the science invalid.

ferdberple
August 2, 2023 1:50 pm

Concern over global warming rebranded climate change is largely a waste of time. No amount of logic can overcome emotion. The public had been told going green is healthy and will save money. So long as it does, what is there not to like?.

ferdberple
August 2, 2023 1:54 pm

A thousand years ago western nations bankrupted themselves funding a similar Crusade to save the world. No one could stop the madness then. This time will be no different.

ferdberple
August 2, 2023 2:03 pm

Where is the energy going to come from to build billions of windmills, solar panels, EVs, and batteries? You cannot build these will green energy because existing green energy is only a small fraction of what is required.

Thus, the world will need to increase the amount of fossil fuels burned as compared to not going green. The solution will simply make the problem worse for decades to come. How then is this a solution?

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August 2, 2023 2:25 pm

Kip Hansen:

Over the past 5 years, I have had 12 climate-related published (available on Google Scholar), all of which maintain, or prove, that SO2 aerosols are the control knob for Earth’s climate. None of them have ever been proven to be wrong.

References to most of the papers have been posted on WUWT, but all have been uniformly ignored, it seems that everyone has their own pet theory.

I have just had another article published, which is titled “Definitive Proof that CO2 Does Not Cause Global Warming”

https://doi.org/10.30574/wjarr.2023.19.1.1329

The abstract reads “As shown by a comparison of NASA/GMAO re-analysis images of (global) atmospheric SO2 aerosol pollution, the 2023 El Nino, which began around March-April, was caused by a large decrease in the amount of global SO2 aerosols in our atmosphere.

The decrease was primarily due to Net-Zero activities banning the burning of fossil fuels (which also produces SO2 aerosols), reduced industrial activity because of high energy costs, the closing of coal-fired power plants, increased use of electric vehicles, mandated lower sulfur in shipping fuels, etc.

(Under “Etc” would be the flushing out of atmospheric SO2 aerosols by the settling out of moisture from the 2022 Hunga-Tonga eruption).

So, I would submit that the ACTUAL cause of Climate Change has been knowable for years, but it has been totally ignored. And we will pay a terrible price for this stupidity.
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Reply to  Kip Hansen
August 2, 2023 8:37 pm

Kip Hansen.

I would obviously expect that data proving that SO2 is the control knob for Earth’s temperatures, and that CO2 has no detectable climatic effect would be subject to some serious technical discussion, but it has never happened.

Recognition of the above would cause the abandonment of all Net-Zero activities, which are causing so much suffering and trillions of dollars in wasteful spending around the globe

Reply to  Kip Hansen
August 4, 2023 9:59 am

Kip Hansen:

What I am putting forth is NOT a hypothesis, but a proven FACT.

My thesis is very simple. Whenever global atmospheric SO2 aerosol levels increase, temperatures decrease. And when their levels decrease, temperatures increase.

This premise is falsifiable, and it has been tested AND validated hundreds of times, whenever there is a volcanic eruption, for example, or from “Clean Air ” efforts to reduce SO2 aerosol pollution, or during recessions when there is decreased industrial activity, etc., etc.)

In Sept of last year, in the middle of a La Nina, I predicted that temperatures would soon rise because Net-Zero activities were taking SO2 aerosols out of the atmosphere.

“Net-Zero Catastrophe Beginning?”

https://doi.org/10.30574/wjarr.2022.16.1.1035

And now we have the 2023 El Nino beginning, and I can see no reason that it it will not exceed the 2014-2016 El Nino, which was a world-wide disaster.

(See the Wikipedia article “The 2014-2016 El Nino”, which lists many of the climate-related disasters around the world)..

Also see my latest article “Definitive proof that CO2 does not cause global warming”

https://doi.org/10.30574/wjarr.2023.19.1.1329

MMF
August 2, 2023 3:08 pm

Someone or some organizations must be having some kind of an effect, or we would not see this trend in public opinion – across the board (all demographics). From https://epic.uchicago.edu/insights/americans-views-on-climate-change-and-policy-in-10-charts/

Screenshot 2023-08-02 at 17-06-34 Americans' Views on Climate Change and Policy in 10 Charts_beliefs.png
JD Lunkerman
August 2, 2023 5:45 pm

KIp- Please keep going but understand it is more about the money pouring out of government coffers that keesp the madness alive. It is not really about the science. Concentrate efforts on stopping the funding. 31 trillion will swamp correct science and understaning any day.

August 2, 2023 5:47 pm

Kip:

Simple answer to your simple question: “YES”.

For why? Over about the past six months I’ve noticed “WUWT” and Anthony’s name mentioned, if only in passing, on other sites that are not ‘pure’ climate. I’ve also noted new ‘names’ showing up in the comments here. New arrivals might not be fully aware of earlier articles on various aspects of the subject – – I’m thinking about your discourse on “average”.

Just need to keep plugging away mate…..