LA Times says quiet part out loud: ‘Would an occasional blackout help solve climate change?’ – ‘We might not have a choice’

From CLIMATE DEPOT

Instead of air conditioning running in your home during heatwaves, the LA Times suggests interviews experts suggesting “investing in a wider network of cooling centers, with transportation to help people get there” instead. 

Sammy Roth, LA Times staff writer wrote: “What’s more important: Keeping the lights on 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, or solving the climate crisis?”

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Climate Depot’s Marc Morano: “The LA Times question is not theoretical. Blackouts are happening globally due to the inhuman climate agenda demanding an end to reliable and affordable fossil fuel energy.” See:Bloomberg News: ‘South Africa Beats Climate Goal as Blackouts Slash Emissions’ – ‘Unintentional…power plant breakdowns are reducing industrial activity’

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Flashback 2011: We’re All North Koreans Now: ‘Era of Constant Electricity at Home is Ending, says UK power chief’ — ‘Families would have to get used to only using power when it was available’

Swiss president warns nation to prepare for electricity shortages lasting weeks or months

Major British Newspaper Promotes Bringing ‘Back Rationing’ to ‘Fix Global Warming’ – ‘Create a scarcity of fossil fuels’

By: Admin – Climate DepotJuly 23, 2023 11:35 PM

https://www.latimes.com/environment/newsletter/2023-07-20/would-an-occasional-blackout-help-solve-climate-change-boiling-point

BY SAMMY ROTH – STAFF WRITER 

What’s more important: Keeping the lights on 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, or solving the climate crisis?

That is in many ways a terrible question, for reasons I’ll discuss shortly. …

It’s a highly technical dispute. But it’s part of a larger conversation about how much blackout risk we consider acceptable in modern society — and whether our expectations should evolve in the name of preventing climate catastrophe.

That conversation kicked into high gear in August 2020, when California found itself short on electricity during a heat wave. Just under half a million homes and businesses lost power for as little as 15 minutes and as long as 2½ hours on a Friday evening, when high temperatures kept Californians blasting their air conditioners even as the sun went down and solar farms stopped producing power. The following evening, another 321,000 utility customers went dark for anywhere from eight to 90 minutes.

The rolling outages were short and contained, relatively speaking. But the political reaction was swift and dramatic.

Gov. Gavin Newsom — facing a recall effort and wanting to avoid the fate of his predecessor Gray Davis, who was voted out of office after an energy crisis — suspended air-quality rules to make it easier to run polluting backup generators. The next summer, Newsom issued a similar order preemptively allowing gas plants to exceed air-pollution limits during electric-grid emergencies.

Gas plants, meanwhile, supplied 42% of California’s electricity last year, according to a federal tally. And in a great irony of the climate era, increasingly extreme weather driven by fossil fuels has made those gas plants more valuable than ever.

But absent major breakthroughs in carbon-capture technology, we’ll eventually need to shutter most if not all of those gas plants to avoid disastrous temperature jumps. Scientists say we need to cut carbon pollution nearly in half by 2030.

Could we get started ditching gas sooner — and save some money — by accepting a few more blackouts for the next few years?

It’s a heretical question in power-grid circles. When I posed it to John Moura — director of reliability assessment and performance analysis at the North American Electric Reliability Corp. — he only half-jokingly described it as “a dagger to the heart.” …

After reporting on clean energy for most of the last decade, I’ve increasingly come to the conclusion that solving climate change will require sacrifices — even if only small ones — for the sake of the greater good. Those might include lifestyle changes such as driving less or eating less meat. They might also include accepting that large-scale solar farms will destroy some wildlife habitat, and that rooftop solar panels — despite their higher costs — have an important role to play in cleaning up the grid.

Maybe learning to live with more power outages shouldn’t be one of those sacrifices.

But at the same time, we might not have a choice.

The idea of accepting a less dependable electric grid “is uncomfortable for a lot of people, because they correctly point out you may end up in situations where the wealthier you are, the more you’re able to buy your way out of that reliability problem,” Grubert said.

That’s why it’s crucial, Grubert said, for government to be ready to protect society’s most vulnerable when it’s hot and the power goes out. That could include investing in a wider network of cooling centers, with transportation to help people get there.

Nearly everyone I interviewed for this story, for instance, highlighted the value of “flexible demand” programs that shift electricity use away from the highest demand times. Families comfortable with 81-degree indoor temperatures, for instance, could get paid to turn up the thermostat a few degrees on the hottest evenings. People with electric cars could be incentivized to charge at a lower cost overnight. Big factories could be required to cut back during stressful moments on the grid.

Eric Hittinger, a public policy professor at Rochester Institute of Technology, said those types of programs could allow gas plants to fire up a lot less — even if we keep some of them around a few more decades to help during the hottest heat spells.

LA Times article labeled ‘peak climate idiocy’ after floating ‘occasional blackout’ for ‘the greater good’

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July 25, 2023 9:24 am

Story tip:
Just Stop Oil dinner disrupted:

https://www.gbnews.com/news/just-stop-oil-revenge-pranksters-josh-pieters-archie-manners-rape-alarms

Looks like the group agrees with JSO goals but opposes their tactics.

mleskovarsocalrrcom
July 25, 2023 9:27 am

We are getting closer to reality in California and the people aren’t worried yet. Highest electricity prices in the nation? Bring it on, we’re rich! Blackouts? What’s a little time without electricity when you’re saving the world? Already CA is a pariah in the business community with its’ laws, lack of legal protection against thieves and rioters, sanctuary status, coddling of the indigent, and taxes above other states causing many to relocate. Now they’re telling manufacturing to plan for random stoppage? Good luck with that.

July 25, 2023 9:56 am

My recollection is, blackouts usually trigger a looting riot within minutes.
I think it will not be worth it.
Nothing is worse than losing power.

Fran
July 25, 2023 9:58 am

With the occasional weather related outages we now get, it is not possible to have freezers without a backup generator. But the people I really pity are those with “tight” houses or apartments that depend on forced air circulation or air conditioning.

Good story: Many years ago I had a nurse who worked in neonatal ICU doing and experimental MSc that had very tight scheduling. One morning she came in looking like death warmed over. She said the emergency generator at the hospital had failed that night. They had 6 nurses on and 5 babies on respirators, so 5 had manually pumped babies for hours while 1 looked after the rest of the ward. They did not lose a baby. One of the best students I ever had.

July 25, 2023 10:01 am

The real problem that is chronically overlooked is the poor building designs (oversized and energy hog), overpopulation of the region and the excessive use of night lighting that drowns out the night sky where nobody is and sheer waste of lighting power use.

If they had done it right early on, I wouldn’t be surprised they use at least 50% LESS power than they do now.

MarkW
Reply to  Sunsettommy
July 25, 2023 4:09 pm

All forms of lighting are about 5% of total energy consumption.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Sunsettommy
July 26, 2023 11:50 am

Safety lighting Tommy, safety. One only opines if he’s sure of his subject.

July 25, 2023 11:36 am

Occasional blackouts, supply chain disruptions, rising inflation due to carbon taxes – just all part of our governments doing their best to put us on the slippery slope of social disintegration and rapidly on the path to massive human suffering and early death.

michael hart
July 25, 2023 12:59 pm

“That could include investing in a wider network of cooling centers, with transportation to help people get there.”

Oh spare me, please. Where do they get such idiots?

Beta Blocker
Reply to  michael hart
July 25, 2023 2:02 pm

michael hart: “Oh spare me, please. Where do they get such idiots?”

They get them from places like Columbia University:

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Sammy Roth: Columbia University in the City of New York, Bachelor of Arts (BA)Sustainable Development, 2010 – 2014

Activities and Societies: Columbia Daily Spectator, Columbia Aquanauts
Majored in Sustainable Development and minored in American Studies, graduating cum laude. Coursework included environmental law, urban studies, energy development, geographic information systems and environmental economics. Reported and edited for the Columbia Daily Spectator, worked on water conservation projects for the Columbia Aquanauts, an interdisciplinary water club.
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I have several relatives living in New York State who are also graduates of Columbia University.

Other close relatives live in the Bay Area of California and are graduates of several prestigious universities in that state.

They’ve all bought the propaganda that wind & solar can quickly replace baseload coal and gas-fired capacity if only enough money can be spent fast enough.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Beta Blocker
July 26, 2023 11:55 am

Unreliables is one of the very few cases where unlimited OPM won’t get you what you want.

John the Econ
July 25, 2023 2:21 pm

That’s why it’s crucial, Grubert said, for government to be ready to protect society’s most vulnerable when it’s hot and the power goes out. That could include investing in a wider network of cooling centers, with transportation to help people get there.

So spending more money on air conditioned public spaces and then unnecessarily transporting millions of people back and forth to “cooling centers” is more efficient that just keeping the lights on?

Lord, save us from the “Smart People”(tm)

MarkW
July 25, 2023 3:52 pm

Are they honestly proposing that the elderly be shipped from their unpowered homes to “cooling shelters”? I guess they actually believe that old people don’t have anything better to do with their time, then be shipped to far from their homes and then sit around until the city decides it’s ok to turn the power back on?

ResourceGuy
July 25, 2023 5:29 pm

Gee, at this rate they might even fact check the Clinton WH mantra on LEED certified buildings that brought us a lot of natural-light glass buildings and backup diesel generators to offset their higher power demands.

story tip

Pouring Ice Into Concrete: Builders Adapt to Extreme Heat – WSJ

Bob
July 25, 2023 6:05 pm

Any outfit stating that blackouts are the solution to our problems should immediately be removed from the grid so they can set the example.

JohninRedding
July 25, 2023 7:12 pm

 ‘Would an occasional blackout help solve climate change?’ Not if the whole climate change is a hoax. Blackouts are an unfortunate side affect of cutting back on electrical generation capacity thinking green energy will ride in to save the day. Any climate change is mostly a result of natural variables like sun spots, changes in magnetic fluxes, etc. Blackouts are an unnecessary byproduct of stupidity.

Ed Zuiderwijk
July 26, 2023 3:31 am

But there is a simple solution. Stop voting for idiots.

Alternatively consider that there are more streetlights than politicians. Apply.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
July 26, 2023 11:58 am

Is there a shortage of piano wire?

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