Monbiot : We Must End Our Dependence on Farming


By Paul Homewood

We must end our dependence on eating.

Why does anybody treat this nutter seriously?

Perhaps before he makes a fool of himself next time, he might like to check what the UN’s Food & Agriculture Organisation have to say on the matter:

ABOUT 60 PERCENT of the world’s pasture land (about 2.2 million km2), just less than half the world’s usable surface is covered by grazing systems. Distributed between arid, semi arid and sub humid, humid, temperate and tropical highlands zones, this supports about 360 million cattle (half of which are in the humid savannas), and over 600 million sheep and goats, mostly in the arid rangelands. The distribution of livestock over the different ecological zones is provided in Annex Table 2.

Grazing systems supply about 9 percent of the world’s production of beef and about 30 percent of the world’s production of sheep and goat meat. For an estimated 100 million people in arid areas, and probably a similar number in other zones, grazing livestock is the only possible source of livelihood.

Environmental challenges

Grazing can be visualized as beautiful cows in lush pastures in north-western Europe or New Zealand-livestock in harmony with nature. Indeed, livestock can improve soil and vegetation cover and plant and animal biodiversity, as described in this chapter’s case studies of widely different conditions in Kenya, the western United States and Guinea. By removing biomass, which otherwise might provide the fuel for bush fires, by controlling shrub growth and by dispersing seeds through their hoofs and manure, grazing animals can improve plant species composition. In addition, trampling can stimulate grass tillering, improve seed germination and break-up hard soil crusts.

However, many people associate grazing animals with overgrazing, soil degradation and deforestation. To them livestock keeping in arid regions of the tropics provokes images of clouds of dust, bleached cow skeletons and an advancing desert. The two most quoted sources are the Global Assessment of Soil Degradation (Oldeman et al., 1991), which estimates that 680 million hectares of rangeland have become degraded since 1945, and Dregne et al., (1991) who argue that 73 percent of the world’s 4.5 billion hectares of rangeland is moderately or severely degraded. In humid areas, livestock are associated with ranch encroachment and deforestation of tropical rainforests and competition with wildlife.

Prolonged heavy grazing undoubtedly contributes to the disappearance of palatable species and the subsequent dominance by other, less palatable, herbaceous plants or bushes. Such loss of plant and, in consequence, animal biodiversity can require a long regenerative cycle (30 years in savannas, 100 years in rainforests). Excessive livestock grazing also causes soil compaction and erosion, decreased soil fertility and water infiltration, and a loss in organic matter content and water storage capacity. On the other hand, total absence of grazing also reduces biodiversity because a thick canopy of shrubs and trees develops which intercepts light and moisture and results in overprotected plant communities which are susceptible to natural disasters.

The environmental challenge is thus to identify the policies, institutions and technologies which will enhance the positive and mitigate the negative effects of grazing. Environmental challenges, issues and options differ significantly according to climate and land capabilities. Livestock-environment interactions are therefore described separately for the arid, semi-arid and sub-humid, humid rainforest, and temperate and tropical highlands grazing systems respectively. As will be seen, that differentiation is particularly important for the arid eco-systems. As aridity increases, so does variability of rainfall, to the extent that the periodicity of rain becomes the single most important factor affecting the state of the natural resource base. Classical concepts of vegetation succession and climax vegetation do not apply in such environments and new concepts are required.

Forget climate change and all the other things that Monbiot rambles on about. His only real concern, as he makes clear at the end of his rant, is that farming takes up too much land, which he thinks should be rewilded.

And he is evidently happy to condemn billions to starvation to do it.

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Stephen Wilde
February 20, 2023 2:06 pm

There were billions of bison roaming North America. They increased the fertility of the Great Plains.

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February 20, 2023 8:15 pm


Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  ATheoK
February 20, 2023 8:23 pm

500 million +/- 500 million. Gotta account for those error bars…

Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
February 20, 2023 10:18 pm

Max population estimated population in 1800 at 60 million.

Those are big error bars.

But not far off from the 94m cows in the US, which are closely related buffalo, and fill the same ecological niche.

Citizen Smith
Reply to  kazinski
February 21, 2023 10:42 am

Some native North American population estimates range up to 50 million in pre-Columbian times. I wonder what the buffalo numbers were before smallpox took out their most able predators.

Reply to  Citizen Smith
February 21, 2023 1:15 pm

Which North American native had the concept, word or count to 50 million in pre-Colombian times?

Reply to  kazinski
February 22, 2023 2:31 am

fill the same ecological niche

Rainwater flooded a farm in America last year, half a million cattle drowned. Do you understand why?
The buffalo never lived in computerised feed lots, eating synthetic hormones, crapping on each others’ feet, kept alive by dangerous quantities of antibiotics…
No, my friend, with all due respect (RESPECT I say!) to those few remaining cattle rangers, the McCow does not fill the buffalo’s niché. It earns the oncologists an excellent living, though.

Reply to  ATheoK
February 22, 2023 2:32 am

Geez, a real poet’s soul, you…

Reply to  Stephen Wilde
February 21, 2023 11:16 am

Monboit is a Mountebank.

The combination of bison eating prairie grass Bison dung, bugs eating the dung, birds eating the seeds and the bugs eating the dung and the dead bison created 18 inches of some of the most fertile farm land in the world in Iowa some time during the Holocene. Who knows what sort of land the ice and run off left in Iowa 12,000 years ago before the new ecosystem was established. My guess is that the prairies top soil production peak was in the 16th-19th centuries when the native American populations increase in the prairie or there would have been many feet of tops soil… not inches.

Yet the Celts and many other ancient people understood this process long ago…. grazing animals and poultry on land improves the land especially if it stays in grass to prevent erosion….. grow grain and vegetable in slots in the grass. One acre of fertile land can produce many tons of food in an efficient system.

The hills along the Schuylkill river in the City of Philadelphia that were grazed for centauries remain highly fertile today…. in the places that remain undeveloped.

Many farmers who still graze beef in a paddock grazing system also understand this age’s old knowledge.

Caleb Shaw
Reply to  JC
February 21, 2023 3:08 pm

I’m retiring at age 70 from running a Childcare on a tiny farm for fifteen years. The premise of the Childcare was that children need to get outside, get dirty, and to learn Nature doesn’t keel over and die if you step on it. (They get this idea from PBS videos.) Modern children are amazingly naive about farms, and where food comes from. I was teaching them astounding revalations, showing them carrots came from dirt. And when they saw where eggs came from, their giggles shook the treetops.

The pity is that, for every child I reached over the past 15 years, there are ten thousand who have no idea what the outdoors is, let alone what it is like. We need more farms, not less. Every suburb should preserve two or three 25 acre farms, just for the kids.

Reply to  Caleb Shaw
February 22, 2023 2:34 am

And when they saw where eggs came from, their giggles shook the treetops.

I regret having but one Plus for you, sir.

Reply to  Caleb Shaw
February 22, 2023 8:06 am

Thanks for sharing. I love kid programs like the one you operated. I am a veteran of the early urban farming movement in Philly….(wow and I am not a leftist or a off kilter environmentalist). I did it for capitalistic reasons. LOL. We leased about 1.2 acres from the city through an environmentalist association. It was an old over grown abandoned community garden from the late 1960’s, we took a chunk of it and started growing 12,000 -18,000lbs of organic produce on it for market in Philly. We started in 2004-2011. Newly married for the first time having had been on crutches from 1977-1980 and 1992-1999, I was 50 and my wife and I had a new born and a toddler. I had had a life long pipe dream of growing a large garden, orchards and vineyard….but my medical status ruled it out. Then I could walk and we started gardening. Our children grew up in the garden soil. I worked full time in a top corporation in Philly and did the farming and market as a 20 hour part time job and my worked the garden 40 hours a week with the babies in tow. We had the time of our lives. My wife grew up subsistence gardening in Virginia and my parents were early pioneers in the organic gardening movement in the 1960’s. We knew how to grow stuff but growing large volumes of produce by hand with little mechanical help presented very fun challenges. We also had to deal with all the folks who were worried about our children…that was the hardest part. Amazing how poorly bounded people are today…. it would have been considered rude in 1965 to say anything about parenting. Later on we took the profits and moved to rural PA and transitioned to a virtual role in my company. Suddenly we lived on the site of our garden which was awesome. We used to take the bus to our gardens in Philly. We stopped the commercial part of our gardening and transitioned to subsistence farming at about 40-50% of what would be our supermarket spend. We do produce, dried beans, some grain, fruit, chickens and eggs and trade when we can for meat and milk. My kids are grown up now both in college. Healthy kids with no issues. Neither the garden soil or the hard work harmed them at all. By age 11 our kids thought we were nuts… when compared the the parents of their peers….most which were divorced. We ignored their concerns in good humor. Now in college…. their opinion of their crazy parents has seriously upgraded. So it goes with kids these days whose reality is constantly challenged by life. LOL Gardens are far better than living in a dream world staring into a tiny gadget mirror all day long.

Reply to  JC
February 22, 2023 8:18 am

BTW my kids never developed the anxiety and malaise many GEN Z kids have until we allowed them to have phones and lap tops at age 16. (My kids were home schooled) Now they are glued to their phones like the rest of the kids and have developed issues with anxiety, procrastination, cycles of ennui. It’s the stupid phone really. At least maybe they can remember what their lives were like before it was captured by the stupid phone. By why remember anything when GPTChat knows all? Who remembers anything when they are flooding themselves with images all day long.

Now if garden soil is so bad for children that people have to make comments….then why is every one so silent about the impact of the stupid phone on our kids…. and all the crap that is so easily accessed on the phone? So many massive gaps in our logic today in our age of the program..

Edward Katz
February 20, 2023 2:09 pm

Anyone needing a laugh regarding environmental matters need go no further than one of Monbiot’s latest theories or proclamations.

Reply to  Edward Katz
February 20, 2023 11:47 pm

It’s right up there with hundreds of square miles of floating, co2 sucking kelp farms. Yeah, that’s gonna happen!

David Dibbell
February 20, 2023 2:13 pm

At the end of this video, “Eating meat and milk and eggs is an indulgence we cannot afford.”

No. What we truly cannot afford is too many nuts like this one.

Reply to  David Dibbell
February 20, 2023 2:38 pm

Definitely, the left in general and democrats specifically, are making meat, milk and eggs unaffordable. Bacon is also outrageously expensive now.

I’d like to see Monbiot get by without his plastic eyeglasses.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Scissor
February 21, 2023 4:40 am

Better yet, without his computer, and internet service. Neither of which would exist without fossil fuels.

Reply to  Scissor
February 21, 2023 5:57 pm

Since he doesn’t like farming, he should volunteer to be the first to stop eating. That would be one less acre under tillage.

Mark Kaiser
Reply to  David Dibbell
February 20, 2023 4:40 pm

No mention of bacon so I’m good.

And yes, bacon is its own food group.

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  Mark Kaiser
February 21, 2023 6:07 am

The top of the food pyramid in my books. 😊

Joao Martins
Reply to  David Dibbell
February 21, 2023 4:01 am

Zero food diet. It could be good for Monbigot’s health.

Reply to  David Dibbell
February 21, 2023 5:03 am

But a balanced diet should include nuts 🙂

Reply to  DavsS
February 22, 2023 2:37 am

But a balanced diet should include nuts

…allergic to this kind…

Jeff L
February 20, 2023 2:16 pm

The vacuum these people like Monboit live in is truly beyond description and leaves one speechless. My hope is that really really stupid stiff like this makes the average person on the street wake up to how stupid the entire thing is.

Reply to  Jeff L
February 20, 2023 2:31 pm

Sadly, the average person grew up in a concrete jungle, has no idea where their food or electricity come from. Its all just magic to them, so new magic to replace the old magic doesn’t alarm them.

Reply to  davidmhoffer
February 20, 2023 4:02 pm

We all know that milk comes from the refrigerator section of the supermarket, so what’s the big drama?

Reply to  Hivemind
February 21, 2023 6:24 am

I thought it was derived from oats or almonds.

Reply to  Jackdaw
February 22, 2023 2:37 am

Soy, boy, Soy!

February 20, 2023 2:19 pm

Moonbat at it again with his crazy ramblings.

Precision fermenting? On an industrial scale to feed a planet?

The source of these crazy ideas is that renewables can furnish all the energy required to run these pie in the sky schemes, when in fact, at something around 2% – 3% of global energy production they will never displace fossil fuels.

They are already disrupting grids they are attached to with their intermittency. That will only get worse.

Reply to  HotScot
February 20, 2023 4:20 pm

He doesn’t seem to comprehend the first laws of energy and matter conservation.

Reply to  HotScot
February 20, 2023 4:20 pm

Doesn’t fermentation create CO2?

Reply to  Retired_Engineer_Jim
February 20, 2023 5:43 pm

Place the cola bottling right above the fermentation vats

Reply to  HotScot
February 21, 2023 3:10 am

…wait till we “plug in” 500,000,000 EV’s into the “global grid” — lol!!

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  SteveG
February 21, 2023 4:45 am

I doubt there will ever be that many, since the early EV adopters (“suckers”) will quickly suffer massive buyer’s remorse when they discover how little of that “estimated” range they get under real world conditions and how long it takes to recharge.

Not to mention how much of their wordly possessions they lose when their EV self-ignites into an impossible-to-extinguish fire.

Reply to  SteveG
February 22, 2023 2:45 am

“plug in” 500,000,000 EV’s

Trickle-down economics says there will be millionaires and cab drivers.
Our messianic injector Baal Gates has proclaimed the earth needs no more than 300 million people.
No-one will be allowed to drive through the Wildlands between cities without a military-grade permit.
How many EVs are you gonna plug now?
This is not about farming, it is about getting you off the land. Off. The. Land. Off…
You know those dytopian movies, where the hero escapes and stand in wonder, looking at the beauty of mother nature? In reality, those forests will be the garricks of vast open-pit mines, extracting the minerals needed for their infernal fermentation vats and VR goggles. implants.

Joao Martins
Reply to  HotScot
February 21, 2023 4:04 am

Remember that it was a kind of “precision design” of cow’s diets that lead to mad-cow disease! “Precision” proteic composition did not take into acconut the ORIGIN of that protein, turned cows from herbivores into carnivores and lead them to contract a disease carried by that protein.

John the Econ
February 20, 2023 2:32 pm

Um, technological advances since the 19th century combined with inexpensive energy fueling mechanization already solved that problem, moonbat.

Rud Istvan
February 20, 2023 2:36 pm

This idiot has never been on a farm. I have owned a fairly big one (dairy, Uplands region of Wisconsin) for 4 decades. Nothing he believe makes any sense.
Starting with the physics of methane IR absorption, completely overlapped by water vapor absorption. Since water vapor is abundant while methane isn’t, ruminant methane production has ZERO impact on real world Blue water planet Earth GHE. Enjoy your real climate change neutral beef and dairy.

Paul Hurley
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 20, 2023 3:09 pm

Moonbat’s strange ideas have been around for decades…

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May Contain Traces of Seafood
Reply to  Paul Hurley
February 20, 2023 8:23 pm

My sister married into farming.

I know enough to tell ‘grain’ from sheep. They started to explain how you squeeze the head of wheat/barley (think it was wheat… look, it wasn’t a sheep, okay!) to determine the water content and hence when to harvest.

I also think I could point out a header… eventually.

Farming is a complete and deep skill set. It should be respected. If 95% of the population were placed in a situation where they are forced to farm or die then they would die.

As much as I hate to admit, I am pretty sure I am in that 95%

Reply to  May Contain Traces of Seafood
February 21, 2023 6:31 am

I tried growing my own veg during lockdowns. What didn’t get eaten by slugs, snails, rabbits, mice, birds and bugs either didn’t germinate, rotted or was blown away. I leave it to the experts to farm.

Reply to  Paul Hurley
February 22, 2023 11:13 am

Ike should know he grew up on a farm in Nebraska before mechanization.

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Rud Istvan
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 20, 2023 3:10 pm

While I am on the subject, let me again refute the ethanol raises food price canard ofter mooted here. The original E10 blendwall was set by LA in summer. Ethanol replacing polluting MBTE replacing more polluting tetraethyl lead had two purposes. First it is an octane enhancer, meaning more useful gasoline gallons per crude barrel. Second, it is an oxygenate, reducing exhaust smog. So LA summer premium high octane gas needed 10% ethanol—the blend wall. Anything more is just farm politics. Most US gas in most seasons needs less—why your gas pump says ‘up to 10% ethanol’.

That up to 10% in the US uses about 41% dry weight (==>8% moisture) of US corn production. But it returns 27% dry weight protein enhanced (from fermentation yeast) distillers grain roughage. On my dairy farm, distillers grain is an ideal ruminant supplement to alfalfa. And alfalfa is dear. On our contour rotations, we do 2/3. Two years corn or soy, 3 alfalfa. BUT the first year you do no cuttings except the ooat cover crop. So effectively for three years you get at best 6 alfalfa cuttings in two years. By selling more corn and buying back distillers grain, we can plant less alfalfa and more corn. The farm is net better off and the net food price impact is nil.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 20, 2023 3:32 pm

It could be argued that ruminants are the ultimate versatile precision fermenters. Look no further.

old cocky
Reply to  RobK
February 20, 2023 3:40 pm

Yep, they’re self-propelled, self-loading fermentation vats

Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 20, 2023 3:52 pm

Where does the rest go? Isn’t there a surplus?

Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 20, 2023 4:01 pm

With catalytic converters, oxygenates provide no additional emissions control benefit. They might improve octane but at the cost of lower fuel enthalpy.

If EPA would allow higher aromatics content in gasoline, then octane is not an issue either. Toluene has a RON of about 120 and can easily be made via reforming.

Dr. Bob
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 20, 2023 4:09 pm

I hate to disagree with you as you are correct on so many other points, but EtOH is not good for the environment and does not reduce exhaust emissions in modern vehicles with catalytic converters. EtOH was introduced in the late 1970’s as a failed attempt to reduce CO emissions from carburetor engines. They thought was that many cars were running rich and adding oxygenates to fuel would lean out the mixture by decreasing the amount of carbon in the fuel. This was technically true, but only if the car’s engine was not properly tuned. If it was properly tuned, the Air/Fuel ratio was correct and adding oxygenates to fuel actually leaned out the mixture causing it to run hot creating more NOx. This we ended up with the Weekend Oxone Effect where smog actually increased on weekends when traffic was lower. This was a complex problem.
Not long after the introduction of oxygenated fuels, Feedback Carburators and then fuel injection solved all the A/F ratio issues and EtOH or MTBE had no meaningful impact on emissions from cars with Cats and Traps. I discussed this with emissions experts at UC Riverside several times. Nowadays, engine exhaust is so clean that it is actually cleaner than ambiant air in major cities such as LA. PM in the air is actually higher than allowed from the exhaust. So, the engine intake air for emissions testing must be ultra-filtered to remove PM so that they can actually measure what the engine produces. CO, NOx, and HC emissions are so low as to be meaningless for smog formation. Remember that in 1970, 50% of the HC in the air was from plant life and nothing could or should be done about it.
EtOH replaced MTBE, but not because MTBE was toxic, It was because leaking underground fuel storage tanks in Santa Monica caused groundwater contamination which led to a metallic taste in the water. It wasn’t toxic, just tasted bad. This led to lawsuits against MTBE when the problem was not enough enforcement of fuel leakages. EtOH causes higher RVP (Reid Vapor Pressure) causing summer fuel formulations to contain less light ends reducing the fuel supply, not increasing it. The pentanes are shipped to Nevada for storage in railcars in summer then some is used in winter fuel formulations when the RVP requirement is lower. This adds cost to CARB gasoline which is totally pointless.

I have spent 20+ years in the synthetic and renewable fuels area so I keep aware of all the emissions issues involving renewable fuels. EtOH is not good for the environment. In fact, if tested today, the EPA would not allow ethanol in gasoline as it increases aldehyde emissions. EtOH was never approved by the EPA for use in fuel as it was introduced before that was a requirement. So it was grandfathered in.

Reply to  Dr. Bob
February 20, 2023 7:00 pm

Yes, in fact VOCs from vegetation contribute more to ozone formation in LA than automotive emissions.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 20, 2023 7:52 pm

I’m skeptical of EtOH in mogas, but I guess if we really wanted to know the economics, we could just eliminate the mandates and see what happens. In the meantime, maybe we could all agree to take at least one small step towards a free market by shifting the designation of ‘obligated party’ from the refiner to the actual blender of finished gasoline.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 20, 2023 10:27 pm

I don’t really care what the net food production is, I just don’t want to subsidize ethanol production. If its financially viable, then great, if its not then you don’t deserve subsidies any more than a solar installation does.

Reply to  kazinski
February 21, 2023 1:36 pm

And although I am often very impressed by Rud’s many contributions to this site, I don’t think I, or anyone, should be required to pay for ethanol in my fuel so he can get a reduced price “better” food for his cows.

I read a book long ago about a corn farm that processed its own corn for ethanol, used the remnants for food to feed catfish, with the alcohol for running all their specially modified farm equipment and earned money selling corn and fish.

Interesting read. Don’t know how long that lasted, and since a quick search did not find a reference to such a farm, I would guess it did not prove financially viable.

Reply to  kazinski
February 22, 2023 2:51 am

Subsidies are fraud against the tax payer. Always.
Not sometimes, always.

Right-Handed Shark
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 21, 2023 1:13 am

Actually, he has been on a farm at least once, when he made a documentary for channel 4 a couple of years ago. We see the moonbat wandering amongst a dairy herd and wailing: “I view them as carbon-releasing machines”, thereby confirming that a basic high school education was wasted on him. Had he paid attention in class, he surely would have learned about the carbon cycle and that no cow can produce more carbon from grass than it absorbed from the atmosphere in order to grow. More disturbingly, the farmer who owned the herd didn’t seem to know either when interviewed. Maybe she was hypnotized by those crazy moonbat eyes.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 21, 2023 4:24 am

“Enjoy your real climate change neutral beef and dairy.”

That’s what we all ought to be calling it from now on.

Climate Change neutral !

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February 20, 2023 2:37 pm

You first, Moonbat.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  Shoki
February 20, 2023 3:14 pm

Only the little people of flyover country should eat fermented bugs. He, like Gates and Gore, is too important and wIll maintain his present meat/dairy/eggs diet.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 20, 2023 4:08 pm

And where will these nutjobs get their meat/dairy/eggs for their diet? I live in flyover country amongst the fields and pastures which help to supply the food to keep idiots like Moonbat breathing. Unfortunately. My guess is that he and his ilk have no idea what they are talking about. Just spouting to get applause from the fellow idiots.

Reply to  guidvce4
February 21, 2023 6:37 am

The nutjobs “vil eat ze bugs!”

Dave Andrews
Reply to  guidvce4
February 21, 2023 8:34 am

He basically has never grown up and is still rebelling against his parents who were strong right wing Tories.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 20, 2023 5:52 pm

Isn’t the real issue ensuring the supply is adequate for the parasites?

John V. Wright
February 20, 2023 3:02 pm

He is mentally ill. Sadly, it’s as simple as that.

Reply to  John V. Wright
February 20, 2023 4:01 pm

As are most liberals.

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February 21, 2023 10:31 am


Reply to  slowroll
February 22, 2023 2:58 am

The only problem I have with your joke is that children nowadays grow up thinking democracy is what the Democrat Party does. A whole generation confusing democracy with monopolist gangsterism.
But then again, in my day we confused it with Majority Rule…
Oh, how our masters laugh at us!

February 20, 2023 3:12 pm

It might be the case that Monbiot actually believes his fantasies but the reality is that he’s simply supplying the content that Guardian readers want.

Curious George
Reply to  nailheadtom
February 20, 2023 4:08 pm

Did Monbiot already end his dependence on farming? I hope so, but if not, does he plan to end his dependence in 2023? 2024? Or maybe he is not “we”.

Reply to  nailheadtom
February 20, 2023 11:43 pm

It might be the case that Monbiot actually believes his fantasies”

He absolutely does. He is to idiotic not to.

Thomas Finegan
February 20, 2023 3:22 pm

Protein from precision fermentation? I immediately thought Soylent Green.

Matthew Bergin
Reply to  Thomas Finegan
February 21, 2023 6:13 am

Same here.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Thomas Finegan
February 21, 2023 8:32 am

I immediately thought “What is involved in ‘precision fermentation?’ How much energy to produce this [synthetic protein]? And that energy comes from?”

You know. [Fossil Fuels]

I also (aside from the Soylent Green thought), couldn’t help but think of ‘The Matrix’ and Joe Pantoliano complaining about “eating the same goddamn goop every day.”

Pat from Kerbob
February 20, 2023 3:48 pm

Simply can’t listen to Moonbat
A chatGP would say it’s shooting fish in a barrel to recreate anything he said or wrote

The British Trudeau, unfavorably compared with a bag of hammers

Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
February 20, 2023 5:04 pm

compared with a bag of hammers hamsters !!

a bag of hammers has some value

Reply to  1saveenergy
February 20, 2023 5:53 pm

kiddies and cats l o v e hamsters

Pat from Kerbob
February 20, 2023 3:57 pm

As the land needed for crops decreases due to improved technology and fertilizers, isn’t most wild lands now lost in North America to renewables?
Without biofuels wouldn’t the destruction of rainforest reverse?

Won’t the current green push to eliminate fossil fuels and curb natgas based fertilizer increase land used for agriculture?

Unless of course you get rid of that nasty carbon infestation?

Did the green movement start when the Enterprise found Vger, the old voyager probe?


Mary Jones
February 20, 2023 4:43 pm

Sounds like he wants to be a hunter-gatherer. I say let him. Hunger would be a useful teacher.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Mary Jones
February 20, 2023 6:51 pm

he needs to do a 21 day stint on “Naked and Afraid”.

Reply to  Tim Gorman
February 20, 2023 9:17 pm

No. no, no!

That’s the last thing I need in my head before breakfast

Reply to  Tim Gorman
February 21, 2023 1:40 pm

I think a 365 day stay, then we would no longer see or hear anything from him again.

February 20, 2023 5:32 pm

Sure, we can give up farming, right after we give up eating. Followed shortly thereafter with us giving up living…

Reply to  ScienceABC123
February 20, 2023 5:55 pm

wait until downloading is perfected?

Reply to  ScienceABC123
February 20, 2023 8:54 pm

But that’s the whole point isn’t it? We are the carbon they want to reduce.

CD in Wisconsin
February 20, 2023 5:47 pm

“Perhaps before he makes a fool of himself next time, he might like to check what the UN’s Food & Agriculture Organization have to say on the matter….”
“Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All Doubt”

—Attributed to Abraham Lincoln among others

Louis Hunt
February 20, 2023 8:00 pm

“…switch out of farming altogether to produce protein-rich foods, which we can do through precision fermentation…”

So not just animal farming but get rid of ALL farming and replace it with precision fermentation? What does he plan to ferment if there are no grains or soy being farmed? Can anyone tell me what he means by “precision fermentation” and where he plans to get enough source material to ferment in order to feed the world?

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Walter Sobchak
February 20, 2023 8:18 pm

Moonbats were named after Monbiot

February 20, 2023 8:29 pm

I bookmark many articles into folders. Folders with somewhat apt names.

Up to now, I’ve been bookmarking Moonbat articles and pronouncements into a folder titled “Dingbats”.

I plan to rename that folder to the much more apt name “Nutters”.

Thank you, Paul!

Some caveats:
Browsers may occasionally graze, but they are primarily browsers.
Cattle and sheep are grazers.
Goats, deer, antelope, grouse and many other animals are browsers.

Goats tend to de-plant land.
A friend of mine bought some cute young goats. Before the summer was out, every tree on his property did not have a branch below 7 feet.
If they wanted a small woody plant, e.g., azalea, to survive, they had to fence around and over the plant.

Digestion capabilities which allow browsers to survive on arid lands, as they eat the woody tips of plants that have deeper roots than most grasses.
When the grasses go dormant in a hot summer, browsers thrive on the woody plants.

Quite a few people label arid lands as “overgrazed”, because they fail to understand browsers versus grazers.

Reply to  ATheoK
February 22, 2023 12:21 pm

To re-wild the farm lands you would have to crispr-cas9 a new genomes of grazing animals with limited fertility to control their methane farting populations……heinous thought.

Lee Riffee
February 20, 2023 8:42 pm

Idiots like this guy might think they have knowledge of “science” (which most of them don’t, at least not real science) but it’s painfully obvious that they have no knowledge of history.
Look at pretty much any time and place in human history where there has been scarcity of food, regardless of the reason. Every time this has happened, the local environment has been damaged or even decimated. Destruction of forests (for fuel and to clear land to grow crops and graze livestock – this happens today in places where people are simply very poor) and wildlife will occur. Do these people ever wonder why countries like India and many African countries face a constant battle to protect their natural resources? This kind of stripping of forests and wildlife habitat never happens (at least not on a large scale) in developed countries. Very few people raid state, local and national parks here in the US for firewood or food. Poaching does happen, but generally it is done by those who want to make extra bucks (or bag a really big deer buck!), not people who are desperate to feed their families.
As I’ve noted before, hungry people will seek out food, and they won’t care where they get it.

Reply to  Lee Riffee
February 20, 2023 11:36 pm

Idiots like this guy might think they have knowledge of “science” (which most of them don’t, at least not real science) but it’s painfully obvious that they have no knowledge of history.

There are a lot of these pseudo-intellectuals roaming the Earth. They think they are much more intelligent than they are and believe they can think their way to solutions. They just adore the sound of their own voices. This rabid, dismissive nincompoop is right up there with the most odious of them. He has a very big front but as deep as a sheet of paper.

Last edited 27 days ago by Mike
February 20, 2023 8:43 pm

the problem was solved in 1973

Soylent Green

February 20, 2023 8:56 pm

I don’t like this guy.

Reply to  Bob
February 20, 2023 11:38 pm

I don’t listen to him anymore. He turns my stomach.

Reply to  Bob
February 21, 2023 1:15 pm

Why is it that the VILLAGE IDIOT gets all the publicity !?

Reply to  bnice2000
February 22, 2023 3:03 am

Are you a conspiracy theorist yet?

February 20, 2023 9:33 pm

The average cow, when slaughtered, can feed a family of 4 people for a year.

And I really can’t take a man seriously, when at the age of 60 he shaves his eyebrows so far apart and dyes his hair

old cocky
Reply to  Redge
February 21, 2023 12:01 am

The average cow, when slaughtered, can feed a family of 4 people for a year.

That might be stretching things a bit. You could certainly eat at least 1 meal a day of beef of some sort from it, but would need something else as well.

A decent steer should dress out around 300kg. You’d get more if you ran them on a bit longer, but people tend to complain about them getting too tough.

February 20, 2023 11:53 pm

Precision Fermentation…. of what exactly?

Maybe he doesn’t understand what a cow actually is.

Reply to  prjndigo
February 21, 2023 1:56 am

Surely he must have met Sturgeon and Ardern?

February 21, 2023 12:18 am

‘Forget climate change and all the other things that Monbiot rambles on about. His only real concern’…
Is paying the extortionate energy bills by spouting rubbish for the environMENTAL activists reading the grauniad, thus effectively ensuring even higher prices.

February 21, 2023 12:23 am

“Domino effect of system collapse…”

If you stop all livestock farming in Ireland tomorrow Mr Moonbat you would create a system collapse… for the Irish!

He has no qualms about spouting his heinous diatribe on an Irish state owned television station, in a country known for having endured a terrible famine.

Stop producing food and let the re-wilding begin.

Sean Galbally
February 21, 2023 2:28 am

Monbiot rarely makes any sense

February 21, 2023 2:54 am

What’s “climax vegetation”?

Reply to  CampsieFellow
February 21, 2023 6:31 am

It has a big smile on its face.

Reply to  CampsieFellow
February 22, 2023 3:06 am

“climax vegetation”

That’s when you bump her brains out?

February 21, 2023 3:20 am

This man is dreaming of the world of “Soylent Green”.

February 21, 2023 3:21 am

Kibble: Dry compound feed, especially when used as dog food or cat food

February 21, 2023 4:11 am
AGW is Not Science
February 21, 2023 4:18 am

We must end our attention to idiots like Monbiot.

February 21, 2023 6:36 am

Unfortunately, too many people take cranks like Monbiot seriously. That’s why we now have beavers reintroduced to stop floods and reduce climate change! Wolves are on his list to reintroduce too, but that makes sense as something needs to control the beavers. We’ll then need bears to keep the wolves in check!

Reply to  Jackdaw
February 21, 2023 2:32 pm

And then re-introduce humans to manage it all.

February 21, 2023 10:33 am

In US most beef and port are raising in grain feeding systems not grazing feeding systems. Still have to grow the grain to produce meat or meat analog. What does he want….a totally industrialized food system based on grain farming? This is already arrived in spades in the US.

Another pie in the sky mountebank who has no heart. He wants to reduce the food supply to humans and has no respect for family land ownership or self determination.

The only reason people like this are scary is that in the US too much of the farm land is centrally owned by China and Oligarchs like Gates. Take land out of the hands of average citizens puts average citizens at the mercy of megalomaniacs and ideological mountebanks.

We need land reform fast.

February 21, 2023 11:11 am

Here are a couple more quotes showing Moonbat’s wisdom:

” …every time someone dies as a result of floods in Bangladesh, an airline executive should be dragged out of his office and drowned.”

“It is a campaign not for abundance but for austerity. It is a campaign not for more freedom but for less. Strangest of all, it is a campaign not just against other people, but against ourselves”

February 21, 2023 1:06 pm

Monbiot the Idiot.

Gunga Din
February 21, 2023 1:10 pm

Back in the ’90’s I spent time on an Animal Rights/Animal Welfare forum.
The water use argument was used by the ARs to end raising and eating animals.
I don’t have the numbers from the USGS anymore but what was always ignored was the water that was then returned to the receiving waters (let alone returned to the atmosphere to then fall as rain).
They argue as if once a cow drinks water or the water in grass it eats suddenly disappears never to be seen again!
Earth, our planet, is a very efficient recycling machine. It can and has even handled Man. Best not to mess with it!

Gunga Din
February 21, 2023 1:25 pm

Mr. Moonbat, I’d like to introduce you to Miss Reality.
I don’t think the two of you have ever met.

February 21, 2023 10:26 pm

He is a Guardian newspaper contributor mainly on Green issues and climate change ( man made global warming theory ). His nickname is Moonbat for all of his looney pontifications. He has a dangerous psycho look in his eyes and face when someone disagrees with him. A true fanatic who believes that anything ‘bad’ happening in the world is due to ‘wicked’ mankind and/or capitalism.

February 22, 2023 3:08 am

First of all, how much did this fricking idjit invest in fermentation vats?

February 23, 2023 5:28 pm

Steve Milloy always called this clown Moonbat.

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