Anthony Fauci merges COVID & Climate: Infectious diseases ‘largely the result’ of human ‘encroachment on nature’ & ‘often aided by climate changes’ – Published in New England Journal of Medicine

From Climate Depot

Fauci on December 1, 2022 in New England Journal of Medicine: As I prepare to step down from my dual positions at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), where I have been a physician-scientist for 54 years and the director for 38 years, a bit of reflection is inevitable. … The emergence of new infections and the reemergence of old ones are largely the result of human interactions with and encroachment on nature. As human societies expand in a progressively interconnected world and the human–animal interface is perturbed, opportunities are created, often aided by climate changes, for unstable infectious agents to emerge, jump species, and in some cases adapt to spread among humans.”

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Marc Morano responds: “Fauci and public health establishment want to keep both climate and COVID fears humming along to push their so-called solutions, so what better way than to merge the two issues!? Worried about COVID-19, then support the UN Paris climate pact, the Green New Deal, carbon taxes, etc. or else you are a gramma killer!”

By: Marc Morano – Climate DepotDecember 12, 2022 3:51 PM

Climate Depot Special Report

New England Journal of Medicine – December 1, 2022

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2213814

It Ain’t Over Till It’s Over…but It’s Never Over — Emerging and Reemerging Infectious Diseases

List of authors. Anthony S. Fauci, M.D. – From the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, National Institutes of Health, Bethesda, MD.

Published December 1, 2022

N Engl J Med 2022; 387:2009-2011
DOI: 10.1056/NEJMp2213814

Fauci Excerpts: As I prepare to step down from my dual positions at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), where I have been a physician-scientist for 54 years and the director for 38 years, a bit of reflection is inevitable.

Today, there is no reason to believe that the threat of emerging infections will diminish, since their underlying causes are present and most likely increasing. The emergence of new infections and the reemergence of old ones are largely the result of human interactions with and encroachment on nature. As human societies expand in a progressively interconnected world and the human–animal interface is perturbed, opportunities are created, often aided by climate changes, for unstable infectious agents to emerge, jump species, and in some cases adapt to spread among humans.

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Related: 

Flashback 2020: Anthony Fauci: COVID-19 is due to ‘extreme backlashes from nature’ – ‘Will require changes in human behavior’ & ‘Other radical changes’ – ‘Rebuilding the infrastructures of human existence’

Fauci in a September 3, 2020 paper published in the biomedical journal Cell Press: “Living in greater harmony with nature will require changes in human behavior as well as other radical changes that may take decades to achieve: rebuilding the infrastructures of human existence…”

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Former NYT reporter Alex Berenson responds: “But, see, if #COVID-19 turns out to be a testing-driven lil-bit-worse-than-a-bad-flu year, what then? Maybe we WON’T need to redesign all of human existence because some 79-year-old bureaucrat wants us to?”

“Why does Dr. Anthony Fauci, a division-level bureaucrat whose day job includes the word ‘allergy,’ think his brief now includes redesigning all of human society? And how monstrous must his ego have become for him to be willing to say so publicly?” Berenson asked. 

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2022: State Department official joins panel linking COVID origin to ‘human impact on ecosystems’

COVID/Climate Merging: Modeling study claims: ‘Climate Change Will Make Pandemics Like COVID More Likely’

“Climate change is creating a new age of infectious dangers.” Climate Change Could Spark Future Pandemics – “The research, published in Nature, uses modeling to map how climate change could shift the geographic ranges of 3,100 mammals species and the viruses they carry by 2070. … The findings suggest that climate change could “easily become the dominant [human] driver” of cross-species virus transmission by 2070, the authors say.”

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Marc Morano: “They want to keep both climate and COVID fears humming along to push their so-called solutions, so what better way than to merge the two issues!? Worried about COVID-19, then support the UN Paris climate pact, the Green New Deal, carbon taxes, etc. or else you are a gramma killer!”

Marc Morano comments: “The climate movement is now merging their focus on linking viruses to “climate change” and thus making fighting climate change a part of fighting deadly viruses. Global warming promoters know that they should never let a crisis go to waste. They are pouncing on any opportunity to inject climate change into the COVID-19 issue.

They want to keep both climate and COVID fears humming along to push their so-called solutions, so what better way than to merge the two issues!? Worried about COVID-19, then support the UN Paris climate pact, the Green New Deal, carbon taxes, etc., or else you are a gramma killer!

The activists will then attempt to piggyback efforts like the Green New Deal as a part of future virus-fighting strategies. Already, media reports are claiming more Green New Deal Style policies are needed because ‘efforts to cut greenhouse gas emissions may not be enough to stave off the increased transmission of viruses between species.’ Doctors are now clinically diagnosing patients with ‘climate change” and there are calls from academics to add ‘climate change’ as a cause of death on death certificates. In short, climate change can no longer survive on its own, it needs to be linked with COVID fears to prop it up as a concern.

The climate establishment spent decades trying to scare us about overpopulationglobal cooling, the amazon rainforest (allegedly disappearing), and finally, climate change and they utterly failed. A virus came along in 2020 and they realized that this cut across ideologies, cut across political affiliation and they were able to declare an emergency and suspend normal democracy. They were able to achieve their one-party state with an unelected bureaucracy.

Meanwhile, the data does not support this latest speculative computer model COVID/Climate scare story: See: H. Sterling Burnett’s analysis: Science Crushes Claimed Link Between COVID & Climate– ‘In reality, if a modestly warming Earth has any impact on viruses and pandemics, it is to make them less likely and less severe…Historically, we know that the Black Plague arose and ran rampant in Europe and elsewhere during the Little Ice Age.’

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Bill Gates warns ‘climate change’ will cause more viruses like COVID-19 – Claims ‘it’s quite clear’ it originated in bats

Bill Gates: “It’s quite clear in this case, [Covid] came across through animals. And almost all our diseases, like HIV, crossed over from chimpanzees in Africa quite some time ago; Ebola came from bats, this also, with one step in between came across from bats.” – “So it’s going to keep happening, particularly with climate change where we’re invading a lot of habitats. And you want to catch it as soon as you can.”

US News & World Report: Climate Change Will Make Pandemics Like COVID More Likely: Report

April 28, 2022, at 8:36 a.m.

Excerpt: Planet Earth is growing hotter, forcing different animal species to migrate to new areas and interact with other unfamiliar creatures at an increasing rate. That phenomenon could have dire consequences to human health, a new study says, raising the odds for new viral illnesses such HIV (which originated in primates), as well as pandemics such as COVID-19, which many believe originated in a coronavirus that jumped from species such as bats or pangolins to people. Potential new contacts between different species are expected to essentially double over the next 50 years, increasing the risk that other viruses will jump from animal to animal and eventually into humans, researchers predict. Viruses will move to a new animal species at least 15,000 times by 2070 as a result of migration driven by climate change, according to projections published in the journal Nature.

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NPR: Climate change may have one more side effect — another pandemic –

Excerpt: NPR’s RASCOE: And you and your colleagues built a computer model to project how viral jumps between species might change in a warming world. What type of information did you use to build that model, and what did your results show?

CARLSON: So we’ve been running simulations on and off for about three years. We take huge climate models. We project where animals can go to track their habitats, and then we use machine learning to figure out what animals might be able to share viruses with each other. What we find is that everybody’s on the move. We found that most species are probably going to have at least one chance to pick up new viruses. And at a sort of global scale, this is really concerning news when it comes to human health because it means that species like bats that have coronaviruses, Ebola virus, all of these things we worry about, they’re probably going to need to share some of the same places that we already live. And they’re going to be sharing a ton of viruses in our backyard.

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The Atlantic: We Created the ‘Pandemicene’ – By completely rewiring the network of animal viruses, climate change is creating a new age of infectious dangers.

By Ed Yong

Excerpt: For the world’s viruses, this is a time of unprecedented opportunity. An estimated 40,000 viruses lurk in the bodies of mammals, of which a quarter could conceivably infect humans. Most do not, because they have few chances to leap into our bodies. But those chances are growing. Earth’s changing climate is forcing animals to relocate to new habitats, in a bid to track their preferred environmental conditions. Species that have never coexisted will become neighbors, creating thousands of infectious meet-cutes in which viruses can spill over into unfamiliar hosts—and, eventually, into us. Many scientists have argued that climate change will make pandemics more likely, but a groundbreaking new analysis shows that this worrying future is already here, and will be difficult to address.

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Forbes: Climate Change Could Spark Future Pandemics, Study Finds

Global warming could fuel future pandemics by dramatically increasing the risk viruses will jump into humans from other animals, researchers warned Thursday, illuminating another hidden and far-reaching cost of the climate crisis.

As the world gets warmer, many animals will be forced to find new places to live, taking any parasites and pathogens they carry along for the ride, researchers wrote in Nature. The researchers examined how climate change could alter the geographic range of some 3,100 mammal species between now and 2070 and how this might affect the transmission of viruses between species.

Even under the most optimistic climate forecasts—less than 2°C warming—the researchers predict climate change will trigger at least 15,000 new instances of viruses crossing between species for the first time by 2070.  The researchers said these “spillover” events will be predominantly driven by bats—which can travel large distances, are likely to carry pathogens capable of infecting humans and are widely believed to be the source of Covid-19—and concentrated in densely populated areas in Asia and Africa. While it’s not clear precisely how the new viruses will affect species involved, Dr. Gregory Albery, one of the study’s lead authors and a disease ecologist at Georgetown University, said it is “likely” many will “fuel the emergency of novel outbreaks in humans.” With human activity driving temperatures upwards, this process could already be well underway, the researchers warned, adding that efforts to cut greenhouse gas emissions may not be enough to stave off the increased transmission of viruses between species.

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Climate change ‘already’ raising risk of virus spread between mammals –

Excerpt: Mammals forced to move to cooler climes amid global warming are “already” spreading their viruses further – with “undoubtable” impacts for human health, a new study says. The research, published in Nature, uses modelling to map how climate change could shift the geographic ranges of 3,100 mammals species and the viruses they carry by 2070. …

The findings suggest that climate change could “easily become the dominant [human] driver” of cross-species virus transmission by 2070, the authors say.

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Climate Change To Increase ‘Zoonotic Spillover’ — Yes, That’s Very Bad

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Flashback 2020: Harvard School of Public Health links Climate & COVID: ‘The root causes of climate change also increase the risk of pandemics’ – ‘We also need to take climate action to prevent the next pandemic’

Dr. Aaron Bernstein, Director of Harvard Chan C-CHANGE: “We also need to take climate action to prevent the next pandemic.” … “Climate change alters how we relate to other species on Earth and that matters to our health and our risk for infections.” … “Many of the root causes of climate change also increase the risk of pandemics.”

‘Fantastic’ for the climate: Activists See Coronavirus Lockdowns As Dress Rehearsal for ‘Climate Emergency’ – Special Report

‘Fantastic’ for the climate: Activists See Coronavirus Lockdowns As Dress Rehearsal for ‘Climate Emergency’ – Special Report

Update:The ‘Great Reset’: Rule by Unelected ‘Experts’ – COVID-Climate Technocracy has arrived – ‘The danger of letting lab coats run the world’ – Special Report

The climate movement is now merging their focus on linking viruses to “climate change” and thus make fighting climate change a part of fighting deadly viruses.

Former Sec. of State John Kerry on ‘the parallels between the coronavirus and the climate crisis’: “Climate change is a threat multiplier for pandemic diseases, and zoonotic diseases — 70 percent of all human infections — are impacted by climate change and its effect on animal migration and habitats.”

Washington Post’s science reporter claims: ‘Climate change affects everything — even the coronavirus’ – ‘No aspect of life on this planet has been untouched by climate change — viruses included’

Jane Fonda: ‘Climate change guarantees that COVID-19 will not be the last pandemic we will see’ – “The melting of the Arctic ice sheet is releasing untold pathogens to which humans are not immune. Climate change guarantees that COVID-19 will not be the last pandemic we will see.”

The activists will then attempt to piggyback efforts like the Green New Deal as a part of future virus-fighting strategies.

Climate activists: Coronavirus response needs to be ‘a Global Green New Deal’ to ‘decarbonize the global economy as fast as is feasibly possible’

Global warming promoters know that they should never let a crisis go to waste. They are pouncing on any opportunity to inject climate change into the COVID-19 issue including attempts to make sure that federal stimulus bills include going in the “right direction toward decarbonization.”

The expected merging of COVID & Climate: CBS News: Study: Climate change ‘may have played a key role’ in coronavirus pandemic – Claims it may make ‘future pandemics more likely’

Rolling Stone mag: “How Climate Change Is Ushering in a New Pandemic Era”: The author writes, “[a] warming world is expanding the range of deadly diseases and risking an explosion of new zoonotic pathogens from the likes of bats, mosquitoes, and ticks.” The article is long on assertions, touching anecdotes, and personal stories but short on facts and scientific evidence.

Rebuttal:Science Crushes Claimed Link Between COVID & Climate– In reality, if a modestly warming Earth has any impact on viruses and pandemics, it is to make them less likely and less severe…Historically, we know that the Black Plague arose and ran rampant in Europe and elsewhere during the Little Ice Age.

H. Sterling Burnett: Climate alarmists and major media outlets are deceitfully exploiting the coronavirus pandemic to tell the public lies that climate change makes pandemics more likely and severe. In reality, the evidence is quite clear that warmer temperatures make pandemics and underlying outbreaks of viruses like the flu less frequent and severe. In a March 24 editorial in The Hill, Vinod Thomas, former direct-general of the Independent Evaluation Group at the World Bank Group, writes, “There is a link to pandemics, like COVID-19, and a warmer world….” Thomas’s claim follows many others in the media. For example, a recent Time magazine article states, “I have no evidence that climate change triggered this particular virus to jump from animals to humans at this particular time, or that a warmer planet has helped it spread. That said, it’s pretty clear that, broadly speaking, climate change is likely to lead to an uptick in future epidemics caused by viruses and other pathogens.” …

Numerous studies demonstrate that transmissible diseases like the flu and the coronavirus are far more prevalent and deadly during the late-fall, winter, and early spring, when the weather is cold and damp, rather than in the summer months when it is warm and dry. That is a reason the flu season runs from fall through early spring, and then peters out. And colds, while not unheard of, are less common in the summer as well.

Chapter 7 or the Non-governmental International Panel on Climate Change’s report of Climate Change Reconsidered: Biological Impacts details the results of dozens of peer reviewed studies and reports showing premature deaths from illness and disease are far more prevalent during colder seasons and colder climate eras rather than during warmer seasons and warmer climate eras.

In 2010, British Broadcasting Channel’s health correspondent Clare Murphy analyzed mortality statistics from the UK’s Office of National Statistics from 1950 through 2007 and found, “For every degree the temperature drops below 18C [64 degrees Fahrenheit], deaths in the UK go up by nearly 1.5 percent.”

U.S. Interior Department analyst Indur Goklany studied official U.S. mortality statistics and found similar results. According to official U.S. mortality statistics, an average of 7,200 Americans die each day during the months of December, January, February, and March, compared to 6,400 each day during the rest of the year.

In an article published in the Southern Medical Journal in 2004, W. R. Keatinge and G. C. Donaldson noted, “Cold-related deaths are far more numerous than heat-related deaths in the United States, Europe, and almost all countries outside the tropics, and almost all of them are due to common illnesses that are increased by cold.”

More recently, in a study published in the Lancet in 2015, researchers examined health data from 384 locations in 13 countries, accounting for more than 74 million deaths—a huge sample size from which to draw sound conclusions—and found cold weather, directly or indirectly, killed 1,700% more people than hot weather. No, that is not a typo – 1,700% more people die from cold temperatures than warm or hot temperatures.

Contrary to the fear-mongering assertions in The Hill and Time, the overwhelming scientific evidence shows it is cold, not heat, that kills. Therefore, a modestly warmer world, with shorter, less severe winters, should result in fewer premature deaths from disease, viruses, pandemics, hunger, and other natural causes.

2021: Epic Fail: Chuck Todd Tries to Bait Anthony Fauci on Climate Change

BBC: How much does human breathing contribute to climate change?

BBC Excerpt: In one day, the average person breathes out around 500 litres of the greenhouse gas CO2 – which amounts to around 1kg in mass. This doesn’t sound much until you take into account the fact that the world’s population is around 6.8 billion, collectively breathing out around 2500 million tonnes of the stuff each year – which is around 7 per cent of the annual CO2 tonnage churned out by the burning of fossil fuel around the world.

So, on the face of it, we humans are a significant contributor to global warming. But, in reality, the CO2 we’re breathing out is part of a natural cycle, by which our bodies convert carbohydrates from CO2-absorbing plants into energy, plus water and CO2. As such, we’re not adding any extra CO2.

2021: B.C. doctor clinically diagnoses patient as suffering from ‘climate change’ – ‘Picked up his patient’s chart & penned in the words ‘climate change’

2020: Calls to add ‘climate change’ to death certificates – New study demands ‘climate change’ be added as ‘pre-existing condition’

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When all else fails, use kids to advance your propaganda:

2021 Study: ‘Climate change makes children vulnerable to infectious diseases’ – Can the Green New Deal save the children!?

Media Push Unfounded Claim That ‘Climate Change’ Exacerbating Spread Of Diseases

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DMacKenzie
December 12, 2022 6:12 pm

Wouldn’t increasing population and increasing international air travel have more to do with it ?

Scissor
Reply to  DMacKenzie
December 12, 2022 7:05 pm
Joao Martins
Reply to  DMacKenzie
December 13, 2022 9:37 am

Yes. But not only internationsl travelling: travelling inside one’s country has the same effect. And internal transports have been improved enormously EVERYWHERE in the last decades. See for instance youtube documentaries about remote populations (in Siberia, China, Mongolia, Africa,…): people may live in wooden huts but they have lots of plastic buckets and other wares, all rather recent; they eat lots of packaged shortcakes and breakfast cereals of brands that can be founs in supermarkets: 30, 40 years ago frequent contacts with “city life” as those were not as frequent; now they are less isolated.

ravenise
Reply to  DMacKenzie
December 13, 2022 5:57 pm

And because of Faucis gain of function research, mutilating billions of years of natural evolution to undermine mother natures highest aspiration and intention, human civilization

ResourceGuy
December 12, 2022 6:16 pm

Okay and he just jumped the shark too, and that was not caused by climate change.

ResourceGuy
December 12, 2022 6:18 pm

What does climate change have to do with the CCP line that COVID19 came from “imported frozen seafood”? Did climate change cause the sudden freezing?

May Contain Traces of Seafood
Reply to  ResourceGuy
December 12, 2022 6:31 pm

Simple. The Climate Change(tm) led directly to the destruction of the Great Barrier Reef.

There are fish in the Great Barrier Reef (source – Finding Nemo) so the loss of all those fish clearly lead to the collapse of Traditional Fishing Grounds.

So seafood needed to be imported.

And they were imported from Covid Countries. (source – the CCP)

Science! (source – Greta)

Any more questions? 😀

barryjo
Reply to  May Contain Traces of Seafood
December 12, 2022 7:18 pm

Excellent research!

Rich Davis
Reply to  May Contain Traces of Seafood
December 13, 2022 12:51 am

Love the references! Unassailable conclusions

The Chemist
December 12, 2022 6:24 pm

Why we will never see the evidence for the origin of Covid, but we all know it was a lab leak.

Dave Burton
Reply to  The Chemist
December 12, 2022 9:22 pm

The word you want is “suspect,” not “know.” There’s no proof that it was a lab leak, so you do not know it.

The same principle applies to climate change. Climate Chicken Littles incessantly insist that every storm, drought, heat wave, cold snap, fire, or disease is caused by “climate change,” even when the frequency and severity of the calamities in question have not worsened. They convince themselves that they “know” what they actually only suspect (and in most cases there’s not even a rational reason to suspect it). We’re right to criticize such irrationality, but we weaken our standing for doing so if we do the same thing.

If I may cite two of my favorite philosophers…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eDYVtPwWiM&t=43

“In my opinion, the most important words that anyone studying the climate can learn to say are ‘I don’t know.'” – Willis Eschenbach

A lab leak is a plausible explanation, but it isn’t the only one, and it hasn’t been proved. Pandemics also happen naturally. We knew that, sure as night follows day, something like this would eventually happen, naturally.

I did, anyhow. So did this guy:

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Climate Heretic
Reply to  Dave Burton
December 13, 2022 2:11 pm

The leaking of the Covid 19 virus from the Wuhan lab is a Viable Theory. Just to be fair here are several sources for this theory:

  1. “A Senate report that Ron Johnson (R-Wis.) released in October concludes that <a href=”https://redstate.com/jenvanlaar/2022/10/27/new-senate-report-concludes-covid-19-pandemic-was-likely-caused-by-lab-leak-in-wuhan-n649932″>COVID</a> was released from the Wuhan lab.”
  2. <a href=”https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9630825/Is-finally-proof-Covid-DID-leak-Wuhan-lab.html”>Summary of the Wuhan leak</a>
  3. <a href=”https://www.amazon.com/Truth-about-Wuhan-Uncovered-Biggest-ebook/dp/B09T4KDHQ7″>The Truth about Wuhan</a>; by Dr Andrew G Huff.

I have several apocryphal sayings that are relevant.

  1. “If it looks like a duck, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is a duck”
  2. “Extraordinary claims, require extraordinary evidence”.

In other words, other theories relating to where the Covid virus comes from, need more scrutiny.

The evidence is in. Covid 19 virus leaked from the Wuhan lab. The theory has been proven. It is up to others to prove it is wrong.

Regards
Climate Heretic

Climate Heretic
Reply to  Climate Heretic
December 13, 2022 2:12 pm

Can someone please fix the links?

Regards
Climate Heretic

Dave Burton
Reply to  Climate Heretic
December 13, 2022 4:25 pm

CH, the current WUWT comment system allows commenters to fix their own comments. After you post a comment, if you need to fix/change it, there’s a sometimes-hidden gear icon symbol ⚙️ near the lower-right corner, which appears if you hover your mouse cursor in the vicinity. It can be clicked to reveal an “Edit” link. But you need to make your corrections quickly, because you don’t get much time. (About 15 minutes?)

Instead of using the HTML <a…> syntax, to make hyperlinks you should select/highlight a snippet of text, and then click the link symbol (it looks like a percent sign without the slash). Then you can fill in the URL.

Alternately, you can click the {} (“source code”) symbol, and edit the HTML. There you can insert the <a…> syntax for links, but that’s very much the hard way, because the HTML is idiosyncratic and hard to read.

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As for Covid-19, there are many “experts” who are certain about its origin — and who disagree with one another. There are, indeed, experts who are sure it was a lab leak. But here’s a recent report claiming zoonotic (natural) origin, and here’s a report insisting that it arose from the wildlife (“wet market”) trade.

The bottom line is that, even though many people are certain of the origin of Covid-19, none of them really know. There are several competing theories, and I doubt we’ll ever know for sure which is correct.

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Climate Heretic
Reply to  Dave Burton
December 13, 2022 6:56 pm

Thank you for your reply, regarding the links. I’m aware of the edit and links. Next time I will try and use the link.

As to the scientific papers or reports. There is only one theory that is correct. Fauci is a liar, WHO is a liar and the CCP is also a known liar.

The virus was genetically engineered

https://en.as.com/en/2020/09/15/latest_news/1600196698_232755.html

https://www.the-sun.com/news/3031254/genetic-evidence-covid-wuhan-lab-leak/

Which rules out zoonotic origin.

Regards
Climate Heretic

Climate Heretic
Reply to  Dave Burton
December 13, 2022 7:38 pm

Thank you for your reply, regarding the links. I’m aware of the edit and links. Next time I will try and use the link.

As to the scientific papers or reports. There is only one theory that is correct. Fauci is a liar, WHO is a liar and the CCP is also a known liar.

The virus was genetically engineered

https://en.as.com/en/2020/09/15/latest_news/1600196698_232755.html
https://www.the-sun.com/news/3031254/genetic-evidence-covid-wuhan-lab-leak/

Which rules out zoonotic origin.

In additon Peter Daszak is also compromised individual. Who stands by the zoonotic theory. I will take that report with heavy scepticism.

Regards
Climate Heretic

Dave Burton
Reply to  Climate Heretic
December 13, 2022 10:05 pm

CH, you express certainty, yet both of the sources you cited expressed only suspicion.

Here’s an excerpt from the first one (the Spanish sports newspaper, Diario AS):

“…laying out her theory that the pandemic sweeping the world is not of natural origin….in a report entitled “Unusual Features of the SARS CoV-2 Genome Suggesting Sophisticated Laboratory Modification Rather Than Natural Evolution and Delineation of Its Probable Synthetic Route.””

 
 
The other one (the article in The Sun) is entitled:

FRANKEN-VIRUS: Bombshell genetic evidence may PROVE Covid was engineered to be hyper-infectious before Wuhan lab leak, experts claim

The article goes on to cite Dr Steven Quay and Prof. Richard Muller (yes, it is, indeed, that Richard Muller!) who say, “the science suggests a lab leak”. (I have no idea when Physicist Richard Muller became a expert in virology!)
 
 
Neither of your sources claim definite proof that the virus was a lab leak.

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B Zipperer
Reply to  Climate Heretic
December 13, 2022 7:15 pm

CH:
Matt Ridley’s book “Viral” is a good start examining the evidence of lab vs spillover from animals.
Also Nicholas Wade’s articles:
https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/
 and an Aug 2021 followup by Wade at the Bulletin:
https://thebulletin.org/2021/08/how-covid-19s-origins-were-obscured-by-the-east-and-the-west/&nbsp;
  Finally, if you look at China’s behavior after the outbreak [regarding Covid-19 origins] it just screams “cover-up!”.As to whether we will ever prove it, I remain skeptical.

ilma630
Reply to  The Chemist
December 13, 2022 2:35 am

Probably more likely to know the real story behind the JFK assassination.

Mr.
Reply to  ilma630
December 13, 2022 5:18 am

The butler did it.

Climate Heretic
Reply to  Mr.
December 13, 2022 2:22 pm

Agent George Hickey fired the last shot?

Regards
Climate Heretic

pillageidiot
Reply to  The Chemist
December 13, 2022 6:24 am

If I ran a world health organization, and thought a zoonotic illness had just killed 6,000,000 people, then I would be looking for the infected population of animals so that I could eliminate that virus pool.

Has anyone heard of any such large scale efforts?

Either these organizations are run by idiots, or they don’t even believe their own press releases. (“C” – both, could also be a correct answer.)

andersjoan
December 12, 2022 6:30 pm

He’s just an old man getting dotty!

Just laugh at him. Not worth getting worked up about, for heaven’s sake

robaustin
Reply to  andersjoan
December 12, 2022 6:47 pm

Not just any old man, though. He was involved in the indirect funding of gain of function research. Wet market origin is a pathetic explanation. More likely source is Bondian super-villains/mad scientists.

Peta of Newark
Reply to  andersjoan
December 12, 2022 7:22 pm

Also ‘linking’ with what robaustin says, he is not ‘just’ anything in the same way that BoJo or Brandon are ‘just’ demented clowns/puppets.

Because what he is saying here represents the thinkings and thus subsequent actions of the ruling bureaucracy/Government.

And it is soooooo massivly wrong on just one simple and incredibly basic thing: The Hippocratic Oath = something that Fauci, him very self, should have sworn allegiance to and be acting in accordance with.

What he’s coming out with here is in direct contravention as, Hippocrates (or certainly some notable doctor) asserted that:
“95% of all disease/disorder is a result of poor nutrition”

So all that verbal diarrhoea about x thousands of virus is exactly that, copious, voluminous and free flowing shyte.
If our immune systems were being given and had the resources they need, viruses could number in the trillions (they certainly already do, how could they not) but our immune system would recognise them as strangers and throw them out.
It only really recognises strangers as ‘friend or foe’ and so, once it knows who it’s friends are, everything else no matter how many, become foes.

That Fauci, someone set up by Government as Chief Doctor and spokesman for all doctors doesn’t know that and is so blindly and obediently telling The World that he deosn’t is a perfect exposition of just how wrong everything has become. and how much shit we’re really in.
Under the guidance of this sort/level of stupidity there’s nothing else can happen but for us to extinguish ourselves.

The stupid burns, hurts and kills – the concentration of power, over so many people, in so few hands is insanely and unimaginably dangerous.

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We do see the similarity of Fauci’s words to those of most all Climate Scientists – they are drunk on their own power.

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Rich Davis
Reply to  andersjoan
December 13, 2022 12:54 am

To paraphrase another “dotty old man” (Dementia Joe):

Three words: Prosecute Fauci!

ozspeaksup
Reply to  andersjoan
December 13, 2022 3:52 am

like Brandon an old nasty man with POWER
NOT a good thing

DonM
Reply to  andersjoan
December 13, 2022 10:02 am

I’ll laugh at him only he gets his due (eg. jail; humiliation due to truth coming thru; someone kidnaps him and cuts off his fingers one at a time, trying to get him to be honest; or any similar circumstance).

Until then, I’ll just wait to pee on his grave.

dk_
December 12, 2022 6:38 pm

How nice it must be to establish an incapacity defense while taking a victory lap, for what should be considered a crime against humanity, criminal negligence, and fraud.

From the NIH (https://history.nih.gov/display/history/Nuremberg%2BCode), first article of the Nuremberg code:

The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.

This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, over-reaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have sufficient knowledge and comprehension of the elements of the subject matter involved, as to enable him to make an understanding and enlightened decision. This latter element requires that, before the acceptance of an affirmative decision by the experimental subject, there should be made known to him the nature, duration, and purpose of the experiment; the method and means by which it is to be conducted; all inconveniences and hazards reasonably to be expected; and the effects upon his health or person, which may possibly come from his participation in the experiment.

The duty and responsibility for ascertaining the quality of the consent rests upon each individual who initiates, directs or engages in the experiment. It is a personal duty and responsibility which may not be delegated to another with impunity

Visit the site linked to see a treatment of the history of the code, but it was composed to counter the “we did it to protect the public” defense at trial by NAZI war criminal “doctors” accused of medical torture of victims in prison camps.

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Tom Halla
December 12, 2022 6:59 pm

My pet model:Climate change causes elderly bureaucrat to outsource gain of function research to dodgy Chinese lab.

Redge
Reply to  Tom Halla
December 12, 2022 11:47 pm

My favourite graph shows CO2 on the x-axis our so-called leaders with dementia on the y-axis

It’s a hockey stick

Joao Martins
Reply to  Redge
December 13, 2022 9:41 am

A hockey stick with its handle to the right and upwards.

bnice2000
December 12, 2022 7:10 pm

“Climate Change” belief… certainly seems to be a disease of the mind !!

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bnice2000
December 12, 2022 7:15 pm

Seriously..!

Why does he have to be so BLATANT with his nonsense propaganda !

Its worse than a Mills and Boon tragedy !

antigtiff
December 12, 2022 7:18 pm

Deport Fraudci to Wuhan. It was over 3 years ago that search engines revealed searches for symptoms of an illness around Wuhan….it was the virus…..call it Wuhan Virus….or call it Fraudci Virus. Climate is always changing….climate changes in the past have been much more severe than today – got that Fraudci?

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doonman
December 12, 2022 7:35 pm

Last I checked, human viruses required a host with an internal temperature of 98.6F or there about to replicate. I don’t think climate change has elevated the internal temperature of humans.

Editor
December 12, 2022 7:42 pm

The rampant ignorance and manipulation is terrifying. Those people are far more frightening than anything they try to scare us with. I did find “What we find is that everybody’s on the move” rather amusing though. I wonder how so many of us ended up living outside Africa, if this ‘on the move’ thing is a new fear. I wonder why “Trade Winds” are so called, or the Silk Road. And then there are birds and butterflies and whales with long migrations. Fact is, all of evolution has always involved movement. It has to.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Mike Jonas
December 12, 2022 9:49 pm

Some migrations began with Gondwana’s breakup and movement of the parts.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Mike Jonas
December 13, 2022 3:57 am

true BUT
moving was slower and diseases tended to be halted by long delays and isolation via boats etc for most sorts anyway. faster travel =faster disease risks

Dave Burton
December 12, 2022 8:52 pm

For perspective…

● Covid-19 (at 414 ppmv CO2) has killed about 0.1% of the world’s population,

● The Great Chinese Famine (at 317 ppmv CO2) killed about 1% of the world’s population.

● WWII (at 310 ppmv CO2) killed 2.7% of the world’s population.

● The catastrophic 1918 flu pandemic (at 303 ppmv CO2) killed about 2% of the world’s population.

● But the global drought and famine of 1876-78 (at 289 ppmv CO2) killed about 3.7% of the world’s population, though they had only 1/6 as many mouths to feed as we have today.

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If it weren’t for the benefits of higher CO2 levels (CO2 fertilization and improved drought resilience for crops), the world could not support its current eight billion humans at current levels of agricultural intensity. It is generally believed that famines accelerate the spread of diseases. By alleviating hunger, CO2 emissions thus presumably reduce the spread of diseases.

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The only way way in which CO2 emissions and resulting climate change increase the risk of virus transmission from animals to humans is by increasing the number of infectible humans, who haven’t died from starvation.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Dave Burton
December 14, 2022 4:19 am

Agree EXCEPT regarding “resulting climate change,” which is nothing but hypothetical bullshit.

Dave Burton
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
December 16, 2022 11:56 am

AiNS, you’ve already agreed that, “if we increased atmospheric CO2 and nothing else changes… there would be a modest increase in the average temperature.” That means CO2 changes climate. So what are you complaining about?

Would you have preferred for me to have written, “CO2 emissions their effects” instead of “CO2 emissions and resulting climate change”? (I’d be fine with that.)

Chris Hanley
December 12, 2022 8:53 pm

In developed countries with long life-expectancy Covid deaths are mostly in the frail and very elderly.
Global Covid death rates correlated with standard of living, even in Africa: “High-income or upper-middle-income countries and those in the South African Development Community have around double the mortality rates in lower-income and lower-middle-income countries in other economic regions of Africa … the number of deaths was driven by biological and physical factors, primarily co-morbidities such as hypertension, diabetes, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, HIV and obesity” (WHO).
Therefore paradoxically to reduce the death rate from Covid-type diseases living standards in developed and developing countries need to be reduced by limiting access to cheap reliable energy from burning fossil fuels and lower crop yields by reducing the CO2 atmospheric concentration.
I wonder why they don’t put that argument? 🤔

Rod Evans
Reply to  Chris Hanley
December 12, 2022 11:48 pm

Crikey Chris, don’t give them any more ideas, They’re already full on crazy with policy notionally designed to ‘reduce’ Covid, an unimportant and impossible thing to do by the way.
I can see their latest banner carried forward by the ‘believers’
‘Reduce wealth reduce Covid’

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John Hultquist
December 12, 2022 9:39 pm

I would have had an extra aunt and an extra uncle to know except they died as babies about 120 years ago — I think from Diphtheria or some similar thing. Not uncommon, I’ve read.  

Brad-DXT
December 12, 2022 9:48 pm

So they’re linking what they say is man-made global warming with a man-made virus?
I’m sure that makes sense to the “experts” that want to keep the fear hyped up.

walterr070
December 12, 2022 10:18 pm

That is complete nonsense. There is no proof the disease is a result of climate change. It was likely the result of irresponsible and careless hygiene procedures by those handling seafood at that wet market. We’ll probably look back in history knowing that the lockdowns were a huge overreaction; all we had to do was wear masks and we would have been fine. The vast majority of those who catch the disease end up just fine, still sadly a lot of people lost their lives. This was a historic period of time; it was strange going to school and being told to stay away from each other. I intend on keeping the 2020-2021 yearbook for the rest of life.

Redge
Reply to  walterr070
December 12, 2022 11:48 pm

There’s no proof climate change is a result of man-made CO2

Rich Davis
Reply to  walterr070
December 13, 2022 1:15 am

careless hygiene procedures by those handling seafood at that wet market

That may not be as completely a naive statement as it appears to most of us at first glance. If you consider the bat lady from the nearby Fauci lab as the one handling the seafood carelessly.

One thing’s for sure, the wet market natural source claim was always patent nonsense.

HotScot
Reply to  walterr070
December 13, 2022 3:01 am

It was likely the result of irresponsible and careless hygiene procedures by those handling seafood at that wet market. 🤣

all we had to do was wear masks and we would have been fine. 🤣

And take the jabs. You definitely won’t ‘die suddenly’. 🤣

Brad-DXT
Reply to  HotScot
December 13, 2022 9:14 am

DIED SUDDENLY the documentary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q81Ee5a38mQ

Scary stuff.

Eric Vieira
December 13, 2022 12:54 am

The “encroachment” on nature is due to rogue research institutions playing the sorcerer’s apprentice with deadly viruses, thanks to people like Fauci. Gain of function research on human pathogens should be stopped immediately. Fauci + Gates & Co. are already simulating a pandemic with an even deadlier virus than Covid that’s particularly deadly for children. Do they have another pandemic ready for delivery in the fridge ? This is science dedicated to evil purposes and should be severely punished.

michael hart
Reply to  Eric Vieira
December 13, 2022 3:01 am

Yes. There is a lab in Boston that has recently reported their “aren’t we clever” results.

They took the recent more infectious but less harmful Covid strain and back-hybridised it with the original less infectious but more lethal original strain. They then tested it in humanised-mice bearing the same receptor in their lungs as humans.

Et voila…from a strain that killed no mice they produced a strain that kills 80% of the humanised mice.

“Aren’t we clever”. No. You are the most irresponsible people on the planet.

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HotScot
December 13, 2022 3:05 am

Were there even the slightest lingering doubt as to this mans contempt for his ‘fellow’ man, this put’s the tin lid on it.

Matt Kiro
December 13, 2022 3:06 am

If animals are moving from one area to another because of climate change, wouldn’t the animals in the former also be moving to a different area? And therefore not interact with new and different species.

Joseph Zorzin
December 13, 2022 3:07 am

The People’s Republic of New England Journal

stinkerp
December 13, 2022 3:33 am

What AIDS, Ebola, SARS, MERS, and COVID-19 have taught us:

-Don’t eat monkeys.
-Don’t eat bats.
-Stay away from monkeys and bats
-Don’t collect bat viruses and modify them to be contagious to humans.

Do this and the chances of a deadly pandemic decrease dramatically.

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Tom Johnson
December 13, 2022 4:53 am

‘Dr.’ Science, who is neither a doctor nor a scientist, finally outs himself. He is simply a consummate bureaucrat, great at running hordes of ineffective mindless drones, but totally incompetent in medicine and science. He doesn’t want to inform us; he wants to control us (US). He’s simply proclaiming expertise in another field he knows nothing about.

Goodbye ‘Dr’. Enjoy your retirement dollars.

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Tom in Florida
December 13, 2022 5:27 am

“Why does Dr. Anthony Fauci, a division-level bureaucrat whose day job includes the word ‘allergy,’ think his brief now includes redesigning all of human society? And how monstrous must his ego have become for him to be willing to say so publicly?” Berenson asked. “

Because when you think you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Especially when your career and your income depend on it.

Tom Abbott
December 13, 2022 7:39 am

From the article: “BBC Excerpt: In one day, the average person breathes out around 500 litres of the greenhouse gas CO2 – which amounts to around 1kg in mass. This doesn’t sound much until you take into account the fact that the world’s population is around 6.8 billion, collectively breathing out around 2500 million tonnes of the stuff each year – which is around 7 per cent of the annual CO2 tonnage churned out by the burning of fossil fuel around the world.

So, on the face of it, we humans are a significant contributor to global warming.”

No. There’s no evidence CO2 is causing measureable global warming, which means there is no evidence CO2 breathed out by humans is causing measureable global warming.

The BBC is assuming too much. As usual.

Dave Burton
Reply to  Tom Abbott
December 13, 2022 5:46 pm

Well, “measurable” is slippery.

We know from the physics that raising CO2 concentration from about 280 ppmv to about 420 ppmv must have a modest warming effect. It is 58% of a “doubling” of CO2. A doubling of CO2 would contribute a TOA “radiative forcing” of roughly 3 W/m².

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58% of that is about 1.75 W/m². That’s comparable in effect to a 0.5% increase in solar output.

That’s not much. It surely must help make the Earth’s surface a little bit warmer, but measuring it, and disentangling that effect from the many other factors which also affect surface temperatures, is challenging, to put it mildly.

Still, the claim that CO2 causes warming is not where the climate alarmists go wrong. That part is true.

Their error is with their claim that the warming is harmful, or even a “crisis” or “emergency.” That’s nonsense.

The warming from human GHG emissions is modest and benign. The reason scientists call the periods of warmest climate “climate optimums” is that they are objectively better than cold periods.

What’s more, it is settled science that higher CO2 levels are beneficial, rather than harmful, both for agriculture and for natural ecosystems.

The major harms from CO2 emissions are all merely hypothetical (& mostly implausible). The benefits are real, measured & very large.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Dave Burton
December 14, 2022 3:47 am

“We know from the physics that raising CO2 concentration from about 280 ppmv to about 420 ppmv must have a modest warming effect.”

How modest is the question. And noone knows that answer. Yet our politicians forge ahead with destructive CO2 reduction policies based on pure speculation.

AGW is Not Science
Reply to  Dave Burton
December 14, 2022 4:48 am

No, we “know” no such thing.

What we “know” is that IF we increased atmospheric CO2 AND NOTHING ELSE CHANGES that IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES there would be a modest increase in the “average” temperature.

But since the foundational assumption “all other things held equal” has never existed, does not exist today, and will never exist in the future, the SUPPOSED “effect” of CO2 on temperature is just hypothetical bullshit.

OBSERVATIONS (the Earth’s climate record) do NOT show any “CO2 drives temperature” relationship. I’ll go with observations.

Dave Burton
Reply to  AGW is Not Science
December 16, 2022 11:46 am

Tom, I agree.

“No such thing,” AiNS? Did you read what I wrote?

I wrote, “raising CO2 concentration… must have a modest warming effect.”

You wrote, “if we increased atmospheric CO2 and nothing else changes… there would be a modest increase in the average temperature.”

Those two statements are identical in meaning.

The fact that raising the CO2 level has a modest warming effect does not guarantee that temperatures will increase when the CO2 level is raised, nor does it guarantee that temperatures won’t increase if the CO2 level is not raised, because many things other than CO2 also affect temperatures.

As it happens, temperature measurements do show a slight warming trend coincident with rising CO2 levels, but attribution is challenging. This was my attempt at it:
https://sealevel.info/sensitivity.html

Curious George
December 13, 2022 8:06 am

Science tells us to get vaccinated, boosted, boosted again – why? Joe Biden and Dr. Biden both got sick after taking all recommended vaccines. Now all people who already got COVID should be vaccinated again. God, make me a chief accountant of Pfizer.

HotScot
Reply to  Curious George
December 13, 2022 8:54 am

AhHa!……But they weren’t as sick as they would have been without the clotshots.

So the refrain goes……..

Doug S
December 13, 2022 8:17 am

OK, it’s now official: Jane Fonda has been awarded the Dumbest Person on the Planet Award! The competition was intense but she prevailed and took first place.

ResourceGuy
December 13, 2022 8:18 am

He’s the new Dr. Joyce Brothers, everywhere and nowhere at the same time.

Andy Pattullo
December 13, 2022 8:31 am

I too am an infectious disease expert. I have practiced as a specialist infectious disease physician for 30 years and I teach about medicine and science practice. I am appalled that Fauci has misled us through the CoVID epidemic and continues to mislead us with his musings about climate change. I have watched the evidence and discussions about climate change for twenty years. It is simply a model or hypothesis about human impact on climate which, when tested against reality, has failed in almost every prediction. In science when that happens you are supposed to discard or revise your theory. Same with all the pronouncements about CoVID. But if you are Fauci or any of the other propagandists for CoVIID policy and global warming/climate change you simply repeat your lies over and over again and refuse to debate the evidence.

The truth is that human society has become less and less susceptible to infectious morbidity and mortality continuously since the beginning of industrialization just as we have dropped our susceptibility to extreme weather events by 98% in a hundred years. Nothing bad is happening to our weather/climate and no climate model has shown any useful skill in predicting our further climate. We have real problems to solve and real opportunities for human flourishing and advancement we should be attending to. This fetish for imaginary end-of-times religious cataclysms has to stop before our own foolish submission to the god of fear brings us down faster than any natural disaster.

HotScot
Reply to  Andy Pattullo
December 13, 2022 9:04 am

Very well expressed.

The climate scam is the excuse to introduce any manner of things the global public wouldn’t otherwise vote for.

The EU has just announced the worlds cross border carbon taxation scheme, to tax goods not conforming to their idea of climate excess.

Covid policies like lockdowns for climate purposes are now to be introduced to at least 2 cities in the UK dividing them into zones one must have permission to drive through or risk large fines. Travel and time spent outside the zones is similarly restricted.

There is no doubt these initiatives are being jealously coveted by authoritarian town planning bureaucrats countrywide.

Joao Martins
December 13, 2022 9:29 am

” … I have been a physician-scientist for 54 years and the director for 38 years ( … ) The emergence of new infections and the reemergence of old ones are largely the result of human interactions with and encroachment on nature. … “

Who writes this is either ignorant or addicted to lying!

DonM
Reply to  Joao Martins
December 13, 2022 10:11 am

did monkey pox come about because of an ‘encroachment on nature’?

ResourceGuy
December 13, 2022 9:33 am

He’s way behind on recognizing the decline in science and the advanced state of advocacy science in climate “studies”.

As Dr. Anthony Fauci leaves public service, he fears health misinformation – ABC News (go.com)

Joao Martins
December 13, 2022 9:55 am

The way to prevent further pandemics is eliminating its cause: the WHO.
The WHO is the creator of this POLITICAL, anti-scientific concept; and it is the CURATOR of its existence: only it has the POWER to declare that there is a pandemic.
So, as in all pathologies, we must not try to fight them by eliminating the symptoms: we must search the cause and eliminate it. Pandemics is a concept with NO STANDING in scientific epidemiology; yes! just check the definition: do microbes know enough geography to ascertain where are the limits of COUNTRIES? And how CONTINENTS are distributed at the surface of the Earth? Thus, the cause of pandemics is the WHO, not nature, not interectaion of humans with nature (are humans external to nature?), nor any other magical, superstitious such theory.

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Curious George
Reply to  Joao Martins
December 13, 2022 10:26 am

The WHO changed the definition of “pandemics” to stay in business forever.

Billyjack
December 13, 2022 10:34 am

No STEM graduate goes to work for the government unless they are incompetent and incapable performing in their field of education. Fauci has been working for the government for 50 years and is little more than clergy preaching the rulers mandates, which is the reason the government hires these people because they know they won’t get any argument.

Moriarty
December 13, 2022 11:20 am

It is quite clear the Covid-19 virus “originated” in bats… and was modified in the lab in Wuhan.

aaron
December 13, 2022 4:34 pm

Someone needs a diversion.

Loren Wilson
December 13, 2022 5:56 pm

Looking at the serious diseases of the past, many came from animals (ebola, monkeypox) or were spread by animals (plague, malaria). Covid started as a coronavirus in a bat population but had a little lab help along the way. Some diseases like typhoid are caused by lack of sanitation and sewage treatment. The western world has shown that the best way to fix typhoid and the other water-borne diseases is to have affordable energy so people have clean water and sewage treatment. The solution to most disease is a stronger economy. Strong economies developed vaccines and treatments for almost all the killers of the past generations. Have you met someone who had diphtheria, polio, the plague, or small pox? Even tetanus and rabies are no longer a threat, thanks to countries that have enough money to develop treatments. It goes without saying but I will say it anyway that the CAGW crowd propose policies that will make all countries poorer.

Andy Pattullo
Reply to  Loren Wilson
December 14, 2022 10:54 am

All true points and should be obvious to our politicians, but they are more in the mode of oblivious.

niceguy12345
December 16, 2022 11:00 am

How many of these animal diseases were spread by vaccination programs?
(I read that bad hygiene in Africa during mass vaccination probably promoted the spread of HIV.)

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