Let’s say a hundred years ago some rattled soul emigrated from Russia to this country, fleeing, I don’t know, the Russian revolution or in-laws, whatever. Let’s say he/she became a wealthy industrialist and built a bunch of stuff, and among the accomplishments was the construction of a major airport that became a massive central link in a global distribution hub (hey, it’s just a thought exercise, no judging). The hub grew to include warehouses and trucking operations and you name it, and wealth spread across the land because of this monolith.
Then let’s say a new type of cargo jet arrives on the scene, one so huge that it can’t land on that airport’s runway. The cargo jet rapidly becomes dominant in the world, and the huge airport hub in question will be rendered useless unless the runway can be extended by the length of a football field, and there is plenty of room. If it isn’t extended, cargo traffic will begin rerouting to different hubs that handle the traffic, and the entire structure will fall into disuse and fill with squatters and rats and the next generation of punk rockers.
What would you think if the region’s government elected to scrap the entire transport/distribution complex and build a new one instead of expanding the runway, just because the original constructor was Russian, and Russia under Putin is now trying to live out some fifteenth-century vision of ape-like glory (and failing spectacularly – Ukraine standing up to such a bully is going to be legendary).
That’s essentially what is happening in the energy world. Decarbonization efforts are everywhere (the International Energy Agency says that currently more than half of total energy jobs worldwide are in “clean energy” – a staggering statistic and a sock in the mouth of everyone saying “we’re not doing enough”). Even in the heart of the oil patch, few if any are opposed to environmental progress, though the reasons for pursuing policy “in the name of the environment” are by no means homogeneous (some value habitat conservation above all, some CO2 emissions, some air pollution, etc.).29dk2902lhttps://boereport.com/29dk2902l.html
But decarbonization is, as should now be obvious, unbelievably difficult. It is starting to dawn on everyone (save the few climate warriors hiding in trees who don’t realize yet that the war is over) that demolishing the world’s hydrocarbon based system and replacing it with something else entirely is a pipe dream, for the next half century anyway. The iron-clad laws of industrial development simply won’t allow a rapid energy transition based on dismantling hydrocarbon supply; it takes forever to build anything, and at the first sign of voter stress, politicians turtle, subsidize energy bills, and quietly fire up the coal plants. Yet those clinging to the renewable-dominant dream do so with a vengeance, and for that we will pay – either through an incredibly diminished standard of living, or eventually through our tax bill. Someone has to pay for everything.
And since someone has to pay for everything, it is imperative that we spend every dollar wisely.
Consider hydrogen, for example. Hydrogen, despite many problems, is becoming a dominant topic in current energy discussions as a fuel of the future. (In the 2019 classic The End of Fossil Fuel Insanity, widely regarded as one of the top three energy books ever by an author hailing from Sub-Division 7 of the North East Saskatchewan School Division, the author deftly delivers an unimpeachable summation of the value of hydrogen as a transition fuel.) Hydrogen is a clean burning fuel, and when used as fuel in fuel cells, has only water as an output.
There are various ways to create hydrogen as a fuel, with the source now being annoyingly colour-coded in an effort to make sure that some methods are considered morally superior to others (certainly not economically). Green hydrogen is viewed as the climatic gold standard, being made from renewable energy. Any other colour implies descending levels of respect among policymakers, depending on the presence of hydrocarbons in the supply chain and/or the emissions related therein.
Green hydrogen as a widespread fuel source would be pretty cool, and also a good use for the endless acres of windmills and solar panels being thrown up that will marginally reduce emissions, massively disrupt local ecosystems, and flummox grid operators endlessly with their intermittency and unreliability. But to become a significant component of global energy consumption, the cost will be astronomical (green hydrogen is hideously expensive compared to other sources when the all-in infrastructure costs are included, not to mention the challenge of finding enough water).
One would think and hope that policymakers would, if so enamoured of hydrogen, find ways to utilize the existing infrastructure in any way possible first and foremost, because even in the tar pits of bureaucracy it must be known that building new infrastructure of any stripe is beyond challenging.
There are ways, or at least ways that show great potential, to generate hydrogen cleanly and on a massive scale that should be foremost in any government’s mind before pursuing multi-billion dollar thought exercises that “look good on paper”. Consider methane pyrolysis, a process by which natural gas (from the existing ubiquitous system) is heated in a reactor in a way that decomposes the gas into hydrogen and “carbon black”, a substance used in plastics, ink, and rubber products, according to this University of Alberta article.
Carbon black can also be configured (bad word, I know, process engineers, don’t shoot me) into other high-value carbon based materials like carbon nanotubes or carbon fibre or graphene (I know very little about any of these except that carbon fibre looks really expensive, is incredibly strong (pioneered in Fomula 1 car chassis’), and looks really cool as a stupidly priced option in your average Ferrari).
The beauty of methane pyrolysis is that it utilizes to a great degree the trillions of dollars worth of infrastructure and knowledge that has already been developed and time-tested and works incredibly well. Consider the challenges of distributing a gas through a pipeline system, all the way from massive 36-inch mainline pipes (or bigger) right down to tiny low pressure lines that provide heat, cooking, and clothes drying services (about half the homes in the US rely on natural gas).
Think of the cost of implementing that system, and the cost of duplicating it with something else. In addition to residential usage, this same natural gas system fuels much of the world’s industrial processes including fertilizer production and processing of many critical metals/materials. Abandoning the natural gas system in pursuit of something else is madness, if there is any alternative at all. And there is.
There are hundreds of thousands of miles of natural gas pipe in the ground, globally. We have vast resources of natural gas around the world. We have a highly-skilled workforce that is incredibly good at finding and producing natural gas. The investment and knowledge base is unbelievably large. And yet governments are willing to look at that whole enchilada and say, “meh, I’d rather throw that all in the dumpster and build something else from scratch. In ten years.” Or 3 years, as Trudeau promised Germany a supply of green hydrogen by, an idea that still is wandering the halls of every active/energy-conscious brain, trying to find a welcome. So far, it wanders alone.
The technology behind methane pyrolysis is well proven, and the processes involved are well understood (current research is focused on making the process more efficient). Hydrogen can be produced without the construction of wind farms, solar fields and/or the development of carbon capture/sequestration schemes necessary to de-carbonize traditional hydrogen-generating processes.
According to the same U of A article, hydrogen could deliver up to 30 per cent of Canada’s end-use energy and up to 24 per cent of global energy demand by 2050. If we rely on schemes like green hydrogen from wind/solar, those numbers will most likely remain in the realm of wishful thinking. If we could develop something like methane pyrolysis, the goal might be within reach – primarily because we don’t have to reconstruct an entire new energy system. Methane pyrolysis won’t work everywhere on earth; it may be limited to areas with extensive natural gas development/infrastructure.
Another potential drawback, as one of the genius engineers in the field pointed out to me is that, if the technology became widespread, enormous volumes of carbon would be generated which could swamp the market. However, a dirt-cheap source of such a versatile raw material might develop a whole range of new options for its commercial use. It would be an exciting and interesting prospect to have to deal with. And the world is pretty well covered with natural gas infrastructure, so we will all be very old people before all those potential development sites are exhausted.
Canada is incredibly active in hydrogen development, including in the very heart of the oil patch that is supposedly not interested in new energy ideas (it is, very much so, the patch just wants to address the topic intelligently and capital-efficiently).
The so-called ‘turquoise hydrogen’ field includes many companies such as Innova Hydrogen, Aurora Hydrogen, Ekona Power, Monolith Corp. (out of Nebraska), New Canadian Energy, and others who may feel free to remind me that I missed them. Some of these entities have begun production, including Monolith, which has also signed a letter of intent and collaboration agreement with Goodyear for use of carbon black in tire production.
This is very exciting stuff. It’s real, the technology works, and it could be a massive boost towards emissions reduction – and it might create a whole new industry. Or industries.
Hydrogen via methane pyrolysis is the sort of capital-efficient new-energy dream scenario that governments should be most interested in.
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Here we go again. If you had something new to say, you would have said it in the first paragraph or two.
My company uses Methane pyrolysis to generate Hydrogen to saturate aromatic molecules to aliphatic molecules for subsequent chemical modification and polymerization. Not for ‘green hydrogen’.
What do they do with the carbon black?
Pyrolysis of ethane to ethylene, propane to propylene or natural gas liquids to olefins is practiced at million tonne levels for production of plastics. It’s going to be difficult to decarbonize these.
Why is WATTS… publishing this fantacy? If this works, the market would have embraced it a long time ago, take the hint: Nuclear fuel generated electricity works.
This article is off-the-charts ridiculous
No numbers regarding costs of producing one kg of hydrogen, or 50 million kg per day.
A whole NEW infrastructure would be required, not just to produce the electricity for production of hydrogen, but also its transport and distribution.
All that will be done with wind, solar, hydro and batteries? Nuclear will not be allowed?
Sir, you have missed the point entirely. The argument for green energy has never been about that, else every country would be going to nuclear. Rather, the whole issue is about power, control of everyone’s lives. The greens and now politicians can control everything you do, from heating you house, to the clothes you wear, even the food you eat, if they can control how much C02 we produce. The mythical goal of clean energy can never be reached until the world is run by one central body, until then they will just keep moving the goalpost further and further away.
Crystal ball says there’s a pentavalent booster coming.
“And our boosters boosters boosters boosters” – Paraphrasing Monty Python
In the early 1960s, “Fortune” was a monthly magazine that did deep research dives into timely business and financial subjects. I clearly remember reading a Fortune cover story titled “The Hydrogen Economy” and discussing it with my Dad.
60 years ago my Dad expressed the same skepticism I am reading here today. Specifically, why would anyone go to the expense of extracting hydrogen from natural gas – or – burn huge amounts of energy to extract hydrogen from water?
Iceland was the test case. They are still talking about the future hydrogen economy there.
Well, if you have no significant fossil fuel reserves – and abundant electricity from geothermal power plants – and a very small amount of infrastructure to build out – it makes sense.
Very few places like Iceland, of course.
Hoo-boy, not the hydrogen horse hooey again.
You mean the ‘Hoo-boy not the hoplessly horrible hydrogen horse hooey here again’…
Why use energy source one to make energy source two, when you can much easier just use energy source one directly and fat more efficiently. Makes no sense. Even Greta would object had she any sense of her own.
There’s no need to convert natural gas to hydrogen. Burning it directly for home heating and cooking and in vehicles designed to burn it, makes the only possible solution, seeing has the CO2 that’s emitted is good for the living biosphere, good for animals plants, and not incidentally, humans. CO2 is good for life. Stop blathering about clean green hydrogen, and start shouting the good news about CO2.
Burning natural gas as a transportation fuel makes for a very whimpy vehicle unless the engine is designed for such. You cannot put much mass of fuel into a typical one liter displacement cylinder in a big vehicle engine. There is a reason we typically burn natural gas in very large stationary engines.
I had atruck at one time that I could switch from gasoline to propane. It ran well enough on propane at cruise speed, but if I stepped on the accelerator nothing much happened.
Hydrogen would be worse yet.
There are NO hydrogen mines. It has to be MADE, from something else. Thermodynamics, anyone?
Easy. Saturn is 75% hydrogen, enough to supply our current energy needs for millions of years.
Getting it here might be more difficult.
Its the transportation costs that will kill the plan.
transportation and distribution
Hyzon Motors | Zero Emission, Hydrogen-Powered Vehicles My former coworker used to work at HYZON, but left recently. I do not think there is a future for hydrogen in transportation.
Niche applications exist, such as where no local emissions are desirable. Plus, difficulties and drawbacks associated with batteries are avoided, although fuel cells have their own issues, as does hydrogen storage.
GM intends to sell a $300,000 Cadillac EV and P.T. Barnum used a similar formula for success.
From a HYZON web page:
HYDROGEN WITH LOW-TO-NEGATIVE CARBON INTENSITY WHERE YOU NEED IT. AT A PRICE YOU CAN AFFORD.
But you can simply burn the methane and cut out the middleman. Hydrogen from methane can’t be as efficient as methane. Hydrogen from methane is a wasteful extra process (not to discount niche markets). It would only be done to (fail to) satisfy hysterical, lead poisoned fools. No thanks.
Canada Is The Most Useful Climate Idiot in the World
https://climatechangedispatch.com/canada-is-the-most-useful-climate-idiot-in-the-world/
Trudeau proposes to produce hydrogen on a wind farm that does not yet exist, have it liquified at a facility that does not yet exist, and transport it to Germany, where neither the facilities nor the demand for significant hydrogen importation exists. This fantasy shipment of green hydrogen will supposedly be realized by 2025 in undetermined quantities at an undetermined capital cost and for an undetermined price.
Even if Trudeau’s plan were possible, liquefied hydrogen is not a good choice to replace LNG for three reasons:
1) Bulk marine transport of hydrogen is in its infancy. The world’s first and only liquified hydrogen bulk transport ship, the Suiso Frontier, conducted its first voyage from Australia to Japan in 2022. In contrast, LNG transport is a mature off-the-shelf technology.
2) While it’s true that hydrogen can be converted back to energy in a fuel cell, fuel cells waste 50 percent of the energy. That’s why Elon Musk has called them “mind-bogglingly stupid.” Are Hydrogen Fuel Cells ‘Mind-Boggling Stupid?‘ – Climate Change Dispatch
3) Hydrogen can also be converted back to energy by combustion but burning hydrogen produces more nitrous oxides (NOx) than does burning LNG. According to the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE), NOx can form powerful ‘greenhouse gases’, be harmful to human health, deplete the ozone layer in the stratosphere, and cause acid rain and smog
Note to Reader: Hydrogen promoters are quick to point out that when hydrogen is burned in the presence of oxygen the result is heat and water. This is true, but they fail to point out that when hydrogen is burned in the presence of oxygen and nitrogen (which is 78 percent of our atmosphere) the results include nitrous oxides. Lots of them.
“fuel cells waste 50 percent of the energy” Link, please.
To be fair, hydrogen fuel cell efficiency is on par or better compared to efficiency of most other power generating techniques:
Sub-critical thermal 35-38%
Super-critical thermal 42%
Ultra Super-critical thermal 45-48%
Combined cycle gas turbine 45-55%
Geothermal 35%
Internal combustion engines 35-42%
Wind 30-45%
Hydro 85-90%
It is the energy wasted manufacturing the hydrogen itself that is the killer for true end-to-end efficiency.
Not to mention how lower the energy density, high reactivity, and metal embrittlement issues that drive up the fuel transportation and storage costs (compared to just transporting natural gas or liquid hydrocarbons in the first place).
There is already enough carbon source available to make nanotubes and such today. The raw cost of making raw carbon is a drop in the bucket compared to the energy to convert into nanocarbon forms and the end value of the nanoproducts.
Drastically increasing production of char is only good for making more char for soil available and otherwise burying it simply for sequestration.
And char for soil is not all roses, char decreases soil nutrients available to plants, increases soil compaction, and suppresses earthworm activity. So you have to offset char with increased fertilizer usage. (And where do we get the fertilizer if we ban fossil fuels? Invent new processes to synthesize it from hydrogen and char and air?)
The Climate Fraud Industry isn’t interested in any ACTUAL SOLUTIONS to reduce Carbon Emissions. They are only interested in REDUCING the wealth and power of (only) the West while increasing their own Illegitimate Power….At least that’s what they’ve said PUBLICLY in recorded video and in writing for ~50 years.
So…there won’t be widespread Methane Pyrolysis Projects developed…anywhere in the West.
Just like there won’t be any massive Soil Regeneration movement in Agriculture which could sequester 10% -15% of the CO2 currently in the atmosphere (and yes, I know the oceans will fill it back up…just speaking of magnitudes)…while virtually eliminating fertilizer and pesticide use…and while making Agriculture profitable…and while virtually eliminating flooding & making most croplands drought-proof by retaining 10″ of rain per hour instead of the current 0.5″ per hour…and increasing the nutritional content of food “severalfold”…and reducing food spoilage “severalfold” (by increasing antioxidant content up to 10 times – ripe peppers sit on shelves for weeks without rotting unrefrigerated)…and cooling all croplands several degrees in midsummer.
The Climate Fraud Industry isn’t about Carbon at all.
Just ask NASA how hydrogen is working out for them as a fuel. If NASA has so many challenges with one installation, I submit that it’s not ready for deployment right across the nation. And, in my view, in never will be. The issues are so profoundly fundamental.
SpaceX knew about the multitude of problems and instead chose methane as their fuel.
One of several “green hydrogen” production projects in Australia research supported with taxpayer’s monies.
https://gascompressionmagazine.com/2022/09/17/australia-green-hydrogen-project-moves-forward/
Toyota believes there is a future for fuel cell hydrogen vehicles;
https://www.toyota.com/mirai/
With cash incentives of up to $25,000, thanks largely to the taxpayer.
No thermodynamics numbers?
Need to see the energy benefits.
Make blue hydrogen and end up with a lot of CO2 to sequester or carbon black to use. The scales involved are vastly different. World production of carbon black is 8 million tonnes. U.S. consumption of natural gas contains about a thousand times more mass of carbon.
Maybe we can make blocks and erect black pyramids to go along with the sulfur pyramids up at Ft. McMurray.
Green Hydrogen production IS an answer but not to the question asked. It would be a practical solution to the energy storage problem of intermittent wind/solar generators. Rather than force the grid to absorb their swings we can limit their grid tie and use any excess to make green hydrogen, store it onsite, and burn it in a gas turbine generator for when wind/solar fail. This would almost make wind/solar reliable and dispatchable. It would still be more expensive than fossil fuels but would at least utilize existing useless infrastructure.
Maybe the Mars colonies will show us how it’s done.
Great discussion!! Glad to see the many concerns of regarding the production of hydrogen from water. A truly precious resource whose use as a fuel source must be carefully considered as consequences could be severe.
Meanwhile, please keep in mind that water used for the production of hydrogen must first be demineralized. That cost can be quite high depending on how mineralized it is. Then there is the question of what we will do with all of those dissolved solids that get stripped out of the source water, particularly if we target the oceans as a source. Finally, let’s not forget to consider the long-term environmental and climatological effects that desalination of seawater might have. As man has proven over and over again, the more we tinker with natural systems the more instability we create in those systems.
“water used for the production of hydrogen must first be demineralized.” Link, please.
You don’t need a link for that. Unless you’re an alchemist, you can’t turn minerals into hydrogen.
Every power plant demineralizes its feedwater.
“According to the same U of A article, hydrogen could deliver up to 30 per cent of Canada’s end-use energy and up to 24 per cent of global energy demand by 2050.”
Except that by 2050 we are far beyond any ‘tipping point’, a life boat an hour after the Titanic sunk. IF the IPCC is to be used as a guide, we need at least 50% reduction in CO2 emissions well before 2050. Not to mention that we are only ten years or so away from fusion………
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In ten years we’ll still be ten years away from fusion LOL. Now MSR/LFTR you have a really good shot at some energy being produced in 10 years.
Let them drive nowhere at progressive cost.
Very interesting, except Russia is defending itself from NATO aggression and has been seeking peace since 2014.
Hey, stop sneaking truth into this.
First let’s inject corn based ethanol into the methane.
Besides the ‘nothing is free’ thing, this pyrolysis process really sounds like a boondoggle. Solyndra!?