The World Bank’s Impractical Electric Car Claptrap


By Paul Homewood

From Net Zero Watch

At a World Bank event in April, former chief economist Lord Nicholas Stern called for a global ban on the manufacture and sale of combustion engine vehicles. At COP26, a coalition of multilateral development banks signed a joint statement announcing their intentions to ‘increase the level of private capital mobilised’ to fight climate change. Activists were infuriated that it omitted divestments from funding fossil fuels. Both the World Bank and Inter-American Development Bank have faced industry pressure to stop investing in internal combustion engine vehicles by 2025. Sixty-eight percent of transport investment by the World Bank involves combustion engines. But perhaps the World Bank has not floored the accelerator on EVs yet because they recognise roadblocks keep the wheel out of reach for working families.

The UK Government insists that combustion engine vehicles will be banned from production, importing, and sale by 2030. But a global semiconductor shortage has produced a projected nine percent slump in electric vehicle sales in the UK. Motorists are modelled to save £700 on fuel for making the switch to EVs. However, road pricing and tolls have been proposed to replace Treasury revenue once fuel duty becomes obsolete. Therefore, the gap between petrol and electric car running costs may close. Electricity costs could even eclipse fuel prices, should the renewables generating electricity fail.

There are also infrastructure impediments to overcome. The ban would require 400,000 charging points to be installed across the UK by 2030, up from the only 35,000 that were in place as of last year. Many rural areas remain ‘charging blackspots’, inaccessible for EVs on long journeys. Annual installation must increase ten-fold to meet the Department for Transport’s promise that ‘drivers will never be further than thirty miles from a rapid charging station’.

Even if charger targets are met, streets could be lined with cars charging for up to twelve hours at a time. This issue will be exacerbated in cities. ‘Generation Rent’ faces housing price rises of 14.3 percent; the fastest for seventeen years. Their reliance on being packed and stacked into high-rise apartments means a third and rising of the population have no access to private off-street parking. 24.6 percent of vehicles are parked on streets overnight. A report published by the Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) modelled electric car ownership will increase traffic congestion eleven percent by 2050.  Combined with charging station scarcity, congestion could become chronic — with motorists jousting for parking and charging spaces, and charging stoppages slowing delivery times for various courier services. This constitutes quite the regression from the convenient five-minute-stop at your local petrol garage.

All of this is presuming that the cars themselves can be manufactured to meet demand. Making electric cars requires six times the minerals as combustion engine vehicles: needing thirty times as the lithium, nickel, and other metals currently in circulation. The UK must expand battery production capacity by ninety times the present amount to keep pace. But absent abundant domestic resources, Britain remains heavily dependent on our geostrategic rivals for the raw materials used in EV and battery manufacture.

Britain imports over 2200 tonnes of lithium every year. Recent sanctions on Russia affected Britain’s top import: $12 billion of annual metal imports. Nickel prices saw a short-squeeze, with prices increasing 250 percent to over $100,000 a tonne. Both metals are instrumental in EV battery manufacturing.

Meanwhile, China controls eighty percent of global annual battery production capacity, sixty percent of global graphite production, sixty five percent of nickel refining, and eighty percent of cobalt refining. This is because China’s Belt & Road Initiative has annexed more than a third of global precious metals deposits: including forty rare ore deposits in Zimbabwe, the ‘white goldrush’ of lithium under Argentinian salt-flats, and $1 trillion in lithium reserves in Afghanistan.

There is mounting evidence that the only way out of our rare metals shortage is to mine asteroids in outer space. Elon Musk’s rocket-measuring contest against Jeff Bezos and Richard Branston may be an interstellar gold rush to become Earth’s first trillionaire. But until these mad scientists invent safe passage to the stars, the rest of us will keep driving petrol cars.

But instead of abandoning infeasible commitments to the abolition of transport emissions within the next eight years eco-authoritarians use these shortages as an excuse to restrict energy consumption and abolish car ownership.

In addition to the usual anti-motorist platitudes by the cycling lobby, some have taken to advocating ride-share apps as a reason to ‘give up owning a vehicle’. These rent-only alternatives have the downside of making your means of mobility contingent on the kindness of strangers. Ride-sharing is a convenient addition to the transport economy. However, if car ownership were displaced wholesale by public transport and hire-cars, there are dire concerns for civil liberties. Say the wrong thing about the environment, and governments, or the increasing number of companies adopting environmental credit scores, can deplatform from anything except walking. Consumer choice must be a core principle of free societies — and that includes your right to buy and drive a petrol car.

EVs also render homeowners vulnerable to arbitrary power outages.Green Party Baroness Natalie Bennett has suggested that electric cars can be used a driveway backup generators, should renewables fail to meet consumer demand. The National Grid and Octopus Energy are piloting a policy which drains EV batteries of energy during generation droughts. Even if all of Britain’s cars became electric overnight, and full storage capacity could be returned to the grid without losses, it would still fall short of the deepest energy deficit by eighty-seven percent. This precedent is not only impractical: it means that the state can drain your EV’s battery flat, and enforce a travel lockdown anytime it pleases. If they can’t confiscate your car, the government can remotely deactivate your home charging point anytime they like.

Electric cars are, incontrovertibly, a great idea in theory. But those wanting everyone to drive electric won’t get anywhere fast by banning the combustion engine — all they will achieve is pricing all but a privileged few out of car ownership entirely. That would be politically suicidal; my apolitical plumber recently told me, ‘I’ve never been to a protest, but if they try to take my car, you’ll see me in the streets.’ If the World Bank and British government follow through on their plan to ban the combustion engine, they may well have riots on their hands. They must abandon the planned petrol car ban, or risk terrible consequences.

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Tom Halla
May 27, 2022 6:07 am

Peons will have a sturdy pair of sandals.

Old Man Winter
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 27, 2022 7:32 am

Here’s another option! 😮

Bryan A
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 27, 2022 7:39 am

Made from recycled auto tires so that fossil fuel extraction is unnecessary for the rubber soles. Of course fossil fuel extraction will end so no new EV tires either

Reply to  Bryan A
May 27, 2022 1:56 pm

I had sandals in the 70s that used tire treads for the soles.

Reply to  Geo
May 27, 2022 11:37 pm

Everybody in the 70’s had sandals that used tire treads for the soles. It was a gimmick of the times with dirt cheap imports sold in head shops. They were horribly made and lasted about ten minutes. Then some guy noticed that footprints in the sand had heel prints lower than the toes. Then he made sandals with lower heels which became the rage and the cheap tire treads disappeared.

Bryan A
Reply to  Doonman
May 28, 2022 12:29 am

Too many flat tires

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  Bryan A
May 29, 2022 4:39 pm

Then some guy noticed that footprints in the sand had heel prints lower than the toes. Then he made sandals with lower heels which became the rage…”

“Earth Shoes,” they were called, advertised first in The Whole Earth Catalog. National Lampoon ran a parody of The Whole Earth Catalog which contained an advertisement for “Earth Tires.” Instead of round tires “precariously” balanced on a single point, Earth Tires were square, providing a broad contact area that would keep a car from being “unstable.”

Reply to  Doonman
May 28, 2022 2:15 am

“treads” were rather good BUT they died off because of steelbelt radials replacing the cloth type tyres
and so we also lost our iconic garden ornamental swans and baskets etc as well, theyre now highly sought after collectors items;-)

Kevin Stall
Reply to  Geo
June 2, 2022 8:42 pm

But never radials.

Reply to  Tom Halla
May 27, 2022 9:27 am

If you can afford sturdy sandals, you won’t be a peon.

David Anderson
Reply to  Tom Halla
May 27, 2022 9:34 am

But they won’t own them. And they’ll like it.

Reply to  David Anderson
May 27, 2022 10:51 am

Stop you guys, you’re starting to scare me.

Eric Harpham
May 27, 2022 6:10 am

I agree with your plumber. I’ve never been to a protest either bur I will if my car is taken away. Plus having always voted my intention now is not to vote but put a note on the ballot paper “None off the above”.

Michael in Dublin
Reply to  Eric Harpham
May 27, 2022 7:30 am


I was involved in one protest, more than fifty years ago, where we made a fire outside the great hall of a particular university. The protest was a failure but for me a success. The local newspapers reporting on the event distorted key facts and so I learnt not to trust newspapers but look for the primary sources. And that was when newspapers were more reliable!

Reply to  Michael in Dublin
May 27, 2022 8:34 am

Shocked…the news doesn’t give facts 🙂

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Derg
May 27, 2022 11:48 am

I have been interviewed a number of times in my life, and not only did I not remember saying what was ‘quoted,’ but it didn’t even sound like something I would say. I suspect that newspapers have always been corrupt.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
May 27, 2022 12:47 pm

From what I have read, most people have started making their own recordings of any interview that they take part in. This is especially important for conservatives.

jeffery p
Reply to  Eric Harpham
May 27, 2022 11:40 am

None of the above does not change things.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Eric Harpham
May 27, 2022 11:46 am

“off the above” Is that a Freudian slip?

Richard Page
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
May 27, 2022 1:17 pm

Is that like “a little off the top?”

Reply to  Richard Page
May 27, 2022 8:43 pm

French haircut?

Reply to  Eric Harpham
May 27, 2022 1:15 pm

“none of the above” was a funny comedy routine. In reality it is an abdication of the sovereign responsibility to follow one’s conscience. If you seriously can’t determine which candidate or party platform is best, stay home — but practice that kowtow: Your talent for obiescence will establish your status with your new masters.

Reply to  Eric Harpham
May 28, 2022 1:15 am

There will be no dramatic moment. Like the frog boiled in the slowly heated pot most people will realise too late what has happened.

David Elstrom
May 27, 2022 6:12 am

It’s well past time for freedom lovers to rein in the death cult leftists.

Reply to  David Elstrom
May 27, 2022 11:26 pm

See Sri Lanka for details.

May 27, 2022 6:16 am

Further down the road an EV (mini) owner depends on being able to park outside his house to charge up. Sometimes he can’t and I’ve seen him run an extension cable to where his car is parked

Nobody has thought any of this through

Bryan A
Reply to  fretslider
May 27, 2022 7:43 am

And of course when that EV owner awakens to find the plug has been removed from the EV socket and his car has no charge he’s hosed. (His neighbor used his plug overnight to recharge his own car and left early leaving the plug on the ground)

Reply to  Bryan A
May 28, 2022 10:42 am

The owner will awaken to find the plug has been removed AND TAKEN. Those copper cables are heavy and selling copper scrap is easy and lucrative. Don’t bother with any type of lock on the cable ends either. A single theft would buy a decent bolt cutter.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  fretslider
May 27, 2022 8:25 am

People are already paving over their front gardens in many towns and cities in order to have off road parking. More will do so to have off road charging. The result is greater urban flooding when the rains come.

Reply to  Dave Andrews
May 27, 2022 9:15 am

In my street off road parking isn’t an option and you have to pay for the CPZ permit

Reply to  Dave Andrews
May 27, 2022 9:29 am

And greater UHI as asphalt replaces grass.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Dave Andrews
May 27, 2022 11:51 am

griff will welcome the news. The flooding will be more ‘evidence’ that humans are responsible for increased flooding through climate change.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
May 27, 2022 2:54 pm

Rather than the reaction to the climate change con.


Al Miller
Reply to  fretslider
May 27, 2022 12:54 pm

Of course it’s been thought through- the radical loony tune left we have let gain traction want people reduced to poverty and population reduced. You need to be very clear in realizing their “woke” reality. If we are not unified in pushing back it will have to be a war to regain control and start over…

Reply to  fretslider
May 27, 2022 1:30 pm

I grew up in an apartment in Chicago. As a teenager when I came home late at night I often had to circle around and around for several blocks until I could finally find a parking space. I usually wound up parking about three blocks from my house. I lived in a crowded neighborhood of apartment buildings and few people had garages or owned off-street parking.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Marty
May 27, 2022 3:39 pm

That’s not unusual. When we would visit my son living near the Central West End in St. Louis it was not unusual at all to have to part three blocks (or more) away from his apartment building. Not nice at all when it snowed heavily.

Can you imagine tearing up all the streets and sidewalks in the these neighborhoods to install charging stations every 15′?

Reply to  Tim Gorman
May 27, 2022 9:08 pm

Can you imagine all the CO2 produced when making the concrete needed to replace all those torn up sidewalks?

Sheesh! The true believers never think, and the watermelons just don’t care.

Paul Johnson
May 27, 2022 6:18 am

Virtue signaling with other people’s money.

Thomas Gasloli
May 27, 2022 6:30 am

Given the minimal reaction to the recent COVID tyranny, given the Australian electorates recent selection of an eco-extremist government, it is more likely everyone in the Western “democracies” will quietly accept the reduced standard of living & reduction in freedom.

Dave Yaussy
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
May 27, 2022 6:55 am

That is my fear as well. People talk about revolt, but most will quietly accept the incremental but inexorable loss of freedoms. Change won’t happen in one fell swoop; it will be the steady accumulation of small restrictions and liberty losses. People will say “Well, I don’t like it, but it’s not worth making a fuss over.”

Tim Gorman
Reply to  Dave Yaussy
May 27, 2022 3:44 pm

I live seven miles from the nearest grocery store and live on a fixed income. As more people retire there will be lots more like me. There *will* be revolt in the streets!

Reply to  Tim Gorman
May 27, 2022 9:31 pm

Good point, Tim. There will be a lot of people with nothing left to lose and not a lot of time left on the clock who will be considering their options.

You may be right that there will be quite a few of those who just say, “What the hey! All the way! I’m good for one or two.”

We shall see.

Reply to  H.R.
May 27, 2022 11:28 pm

I believe I will need a larger honour guard in Valhalla….

Flash Chemtrail
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
May 27, 2022 7:51 am

it is more likely everyone in the Western “democracies” will quietly accept the reduced standard of living & reduction in freedom

This may very well happen in western democracies that drive on the wrong side of the road and frown at free speech. The majority of people in those countries seem more than willing to give in to this kind of despotism. It will not happen in the US. The political party of mandates and bans is about to be taken down a notch.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Flash Chemtrail
May 27, 2022 10:28 am


(I wouldn’t exactly call it the “wrong” side of the road…. 😏 ….. even though we Americans do drive on the right side, heh)

Joe Gordon
Reply to  Flash Chemtrail
May 27, 2022 10:46 am

How much damage will be done before the midterms? I used to admire Joe Manchin because even though he’s definitely a Democrat, he knows his constituents would be seriously harmed from Biden’s proposed Green New Deal.

But he keep signalling that he will help pass the legislation. What he wants? I don’t know. The Democrats have accused him of loving the spotlight too much. As a middle-roader who dislikes both parties, I thought he might be the one senator worth a damn. But now, I think the Democrats are right. He’s just another power-hungry jerk who knows how to grease the right palms.

Reply to  Joe Gordon
May 27, 2022 9:34 pm

The payoff goes up when you are one of the holdouts. It costs more to get you ‘onside’.

lee riffee
Reply to  Flash Chemtrail
May 27, 2022 1:12 pm

Agreed. I don’t think this sort of thing will fly in the US (save for a handful of far-left deep blue states like CA).
Speaking of California, it will be interesting to see what happens as the scheduled bans on gas and diesel powered cars and landscaping equipment approach. Eventually Gavin Gruesome will be replaced by term limits, but will the next governor be an improvement? And if the bans are not repealed or delayed, it won’t take long for the powers that be to find out that they are making car and lawn equipment dealers in neighboring states very well off. If I couldn’t buy a gas powered lawn mower in my state, would I drive to a neighboring state and buy one? You betcha!
All of these power mad fools also forget that smart, resourceful people will find ways to undercut and get around such bans. Remember, at one time in the US, the sale and use of alcohol was prohibited. But plenty of people found ways to make, buy and sell booze regardless. And quite a few criminal enterprises sprung up to supply that demand.

Reply to  lee riffee
May 27, 2022 9:41 pm

When gas lawnmowers are made illegal, only criminals will have gas lawnmowers.

Sacramento will be soooo surprised at how many criminals there are.

Lawnmower silencer futures are UP!

Reply to  H.R.
May 27, 2022 10:00 pm

I have a large area of grass around my property and I use a ride on mower for most of it but purchased a battery electric hand mower for some small difficult to access areas. The battery charge is insufficient for the job so I use my 4-stroke petrol engine hand mower.

Another example of battery development having a long way to go to be competitive, and the electric lawn mower cost considerably more than the internal combustion engine lawn mower.

Reply to  lee riffee
May 28, 2022 10:50 am

The day is approaching when Californians will be ticketed for using a gasoline powered lawn mower, or any other gasoline or diesel powered equipment.

Reply to  Flash Chemtrail
May 27, 2022 2:13 pm

Drive on the “wrong” side of the road?? So it’s all about China, yet again. The majority drive on the right only because China switched from driving on the left to driving on the right in 1946. My view is that we should not cave in to China, and we should recognise that right is wrong. Or maybe we should make it an individual’s right to choose, like they do in Thailand (well, almost. The rule there seems to be that smaller vehicles give way to larger vehicles.).

Bryan A
Reply to  Mike Jonas
May 27, 2022 3:43 pm

If we propose that Right is Wrong then it follows that Left is Right. But if Left is Right and Right is Wrong, wouldn’t that make Left Wrong also?

Reply to  Bryan A
May 27, 2022 9:45 pm

You have a point, Bryan. The Left never thinks things through. They’re wrong even when they are Right.

Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
May 28, 2022 2:21 am

minimal media attention but a lot more peeved and noncompliant than they admit to. idiotic greens one today called for remasking laws for flu outbreaks and the new govt jumped fast to refute that happening..theyre aware its a VERY fine line now.
and until someones got an alternative transport source for owners n hounds at a minimum 40kg and upwards for emergency vet visits etc they can shove leccy and sharecars where the sun dont shine

Danley Wolfe
May 27, 2022 6:42 am

If we follow (Lord!) Nicholas Stern we will all be walking or riding bicycles soon. Any high school student can do the math to demonstrate that any broad conversion away from fossil fuels is not possible probably in our and our children’s lifetimes. Shutting down conventional energy (fossil fuels) will not happen. Further, it is part of the bigger movement towards ESG investing which some of the large investment funds like Blackrock but also European companjies like Unilever want to appear to be leading the movement. First a large transition in any time frame is not possible e.g., in anything remotely close to the limits of electric power e.g. in automotive… Second an ESG movement is in clear violatio of fiduciary responsibilities / requirements companies have to investors.

Mike Dubrasich
Reply to  Danley Wolfe
May 27, 2022 10:07 am

Tragically, the percentage of high school students that can do math is woefully small. There is method to the madness.

Reply to  Mike Dubrasich
May 27, 2022 12:49 pm

Ignorant people are easier to lead. That’s why the left targeted education for the beginning.

Reply to  MarkW
May 28, 2022 2:27 am

dunno about that, seems to me the mid-wit types with some higher level secondary and uni are far more gullible and easier misled than the truly ignorant who have street smarts and question more, even if thats what so good about it/whats in it for me?
and of course being poorer makes you less likely to spend anything without looking harder for value in it

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Danley Wolfe
May 27, 2022 11:54 am

It is really fun to ride a bicycle on icy roads, especially mountains. Training wheels help — a little.

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
May 27, 2022 12:51 pm

With the government run health services that the left is trying to foist on us, you may only have to wait a week in order to find a slot in the emergency room.
But at least whatever service you do receive will be free.

Reply to  MarkW
May 28, 2022 2:30 am

you might wait a few hrs to get into emergency but you do get seen. covids mucked up a lot of the systems and exposed the flaws as well. without medicare you have a lot more ill and miserable people to contend with

Reply to  ozspeaksup
May 28, 2022 4:43 pm

Even without medicare, the poor were getting seen.

Reply to  Danley Wolfe
May 28, 2022 10:54 am

Try that in the US and we will tie them up in court for age discrimination, since it would disproportionately affect the elderly. And most judges are in that group!

william Johnston
May 27, 2022 6:45 am

Coming soon. The latest excuse for missing work. *I can’t come in today. The grid is using my car battery for backup and won’t let me disconnect*

Nick Graves
Reply to  william Johnston
May 28, 2022 1:26 am

I caught the bus, but the bus caught fire.

May 27, 2022 7:01 am

But but…the UK has to go battery cars or it will cost banks and insurers 340 billion pounds and result in ‘average temperature rises of 3.3C, and a 3.9-metre rise in sea levels.’
UK finance ‘faces £340bn in losses’ without action on climate change (
These people work for the Bank of England and they know this eco-nomix stuff.

Bill Toland
Reply to  observa
May 27, 2022 9:18 am

I read your link in amazement. The temperature rise of 3.3C and 3.9 metre rise in sea level is to happen by 2050! These predictions will require a complete rewrite of the laws of physics. Of course, the article is from the Guardian.

The predicted temperature rise is off by one order of magnitude and the sea level rise is off by two orders of magnitude. It looks as if somebody has misplaced decimal points in their calculations.

Reply to  Bill Toland
May 27, 2022 5:23 pm

I would say that they misplaced the gray matter in their brains.

Reply to  observa
May 28, 2022 2:31 am

that be because the BBC and other govt got pension funds in big green???

Old Man Winter
May 27, 2022 7:08 am

Brandon TELLS us Yanks to get EVs when 2/3 of the US faces rolling blackouts! EV owners may
NEED to get an ICE generator JIC!!! 😮

Andre Lauzon
May 27, 2022 7:13 am

Indignation is the motor of revolution……………it will come.

May 27, 2022 7:21 am

But those wanting everyone to drive electric won’t get anywhere fast by banning the combustion engine — all they will achieve is pricing all but a privileged few out of car ownership entirely.”

For the elites that’s not a problem, that’s a feature.

Reply to  john
May 27, 2022 8:55 am

China of 30-40 years ago it shows that it works.
What not to like there!
Poor and happy… and then very happy going farther backwards.


Reply to  john
May 28, 2022 10:59 am

Less traffic, faster drive times, easier to park, probably reduced cost of auto insurance, what’s not to like? Let the average bloke eat cake, er, take the flaming bus.

May 27, 2022 7:29 am

Oh, Nico Stern what have you done? There once were lots of buses to catch, but soon there will be none[🔥], I’ll have to buy a bike, ‘cos I can’t afford EV. Oh Nico Stern what a naughty man you be!

[Edit of “Oh Dr Beeching”]

Bryan A
Reply to  tygrus
May 27, 2022 9:19 am

There once were busses to catch
But soon there will be none to fetch
I’ll have to buy a bike
Cause I don’t like to hike
And car ownership will be a stretch

h/t tygrus

May 27, 2022 8:12 am

The semi conductor shortage is not just affecting EVs… it is near impossible to get any new car in the UK, with delays on orders of a year not uncommon. In fact EV sales have held up better than ICE ones…

Dave Andrews
Reply to  griff
May 27, 2022 8:48 am

According to Autocar Magazine at May 2022 there was only one EV in the top ten cars sold so far in the UK which sold 8969 units this year. The other 9 non EV vehicles sold a total of 92,618 over TEN times as much as the EV.

Dave Yaussy
Reply to  Dave Andrews
May 27, 2022 9:23 am

I don’t know about the UK, but in the US those cars stay on the road for about 10 years. Even if EV adoption increases fairly fast, there will still be a lot of ICE cars out on the road well past 2030, unless forcibly retired.

Joe Gordon
Reply to  Dave Yaussy
May 27, 2022 10:53 am

The average ICE car is approaching 13 years of service. Mechanics know what people want. I had our cars in for the annual checkup this month, and we talked about how we want at least 20 years out of each car. They’re on board – they know the EVs simply aren’t economical.

Thankfully, the Ford/GM/Chrysler approach of the ’70s and ’80s, when you were lucky to get five years out of the crap they put out, was put to end through real competition. Today’s cars can last if cared for properly. And the good mechanics will figure out a way to keep a supply of needed parts.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Joe Gordon
May 27, 2022 11:29 am

I don’t know about Ford and Chrysler, but our family has gotten over 25 years average out of GM vehicles. For example the 1986 Chevy Suburban (with a 350) was still going strong when I sold it in 2014.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Janice Moore
May 27, 2022 12:10 pm

I drove a 40-year old 4WD IH Scout from California to my new job in Ohio, aka the Rust/salt Belt. When I got here it had no rust and a heavy undercoating of back-roads dust mixed with oil (It was self-changing after about one-half million miles.). However, I finally had to sell it after about 10 years when the rust was destroying things faster than I could repair them, and it had become unreliable off-road.

Reply to  Janice Moore
May 27, 2022 2:17 pm

I got 20 years out of my 2018 Toyota Landcruiser 4.5 ltr 6-cyl, and it still had that much life left I’m sure.

When I leave this life and arrive in purgatory for my sins, I hope that ‘Cruiser is waiting for me there.

I know it will get me out of there, because it’s gotten me out of hellish conditions many times before.

Reply to  Mr.
May 27, 2022 5:27 pm

How did you get 20 years out of a 2018 vehicle when that was only 4 years ago?

Reply to  spren
May 27, 2022 7:54 pm

Ah, I see you picked up my deliberate mistake, Dr. Watson.

You worked out that I should have typed “1998 model”.

Stay alert – “no one expects the Spanish Inquisition”.

Reply to  Mr.
May 27, 2022 10:10 pm

A friend sold his nephew a Mitsubishi 4WD with over 500,000 Kms travelled, oil and filter changed on the Diesel engine every 6,000 Kms and mostly used for country driving.

The nephew is still driving that vehicle.

Reply to  Dennis
May 28, 2022 1:30 am

I have several old 1980s Jaguars totalling up more than 650 000 miles and still going strong.

If the rust doesn’t kill them, they are good for 1 million or more kms.

More’s the point being as they were designed for “lean burn” another great technology our great leaders threw under a bus, even without catalytic convertors they meet modern emission requirements.

Lean burn tech instead of “catastrophic convertors” would have saved us all a ton of petrol over 30yrs

Reply to  pigs_in_space
May 28, 2022 10:32 pm

Now useless information but during the early 1980s a Sydney Australia vehicle muffler designer and manufacturer invented a muffler with stainless steel expanded and used as baffles tp deflect the exhaust emissions and cause a swirling vortex that effectively extracted the lead particles, no need for unleaded petrol and the enormous costs involved in refinery modifications and internal combustion engine technology being developed to obtain the best engine performance form unleaded petrol.

The same expanded stainless steel baffle system was also used by the NSW Electricity Commission for coal fired power stations to protect or minimise damage to boiler tubes from grit erosion.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Joe Gordon
May 27, 2022 12:02 pm

And if they don’t figure it out, we can provide Cuban mechanics with special visas to re-locate. Or, maybe just ship cars to Cuba to be repaired.

Reply to  Joe Gordon
May 27, 2022 10:08 pm

I purchased a deceased estate internal combustion engine vehicle, 4 cylinder petrol engine, that had ben driven less than one hundred thousand kilometres and well maintained as around town transport.

when I gave it to a young friend for university travel, country long distance travel back and forth, it had done 116,000 Kms and was eighteen years old and still maintained to manufacturer’s recommendations. She never had a problem, reliable transport.

A Mitsubishi.

Mark A Luhman
Reply to  Joe Gordon
May 28, 2022 5:15 pm

I drove a 1984 chevy Nova (Toyota Corolla) to the junk yard with an odometer reading of 405,000 miles about 2002. The only reason was it had body cancer mostly around the struts in the trunk. Seeing the ground in your trunk was the end of a good car.

Reply to  Dave Yaussy
May 27, 2022 10:04 pm

I am expecting crony capitalists investing in the climate hoax wealth creation opportunities, subject of course to ICEV being banned, buying them for scrap value and exporting them for resale in developing nations, around Africa for example, as whole vehicles and as spare parts.

Reply to  Dave Yaussy
May 28, 2022 2:35 am

good lord I drove a wolseley 64 model for 14 yrs and a new car after that one was still 15yrs old when i got it, present car is a 98 jackaroo and will stay that way till its truly unfixable. cost was 4k to buy and get on the rd. people like me will never be able to afford EV anyway

Bryan A
Reply to  griff
May 27, 2022 9:24 am

When you regularly sell 5 EVs and you sell 6 sales are looking up
When you regularly sell 100,000 ICE cars and only sell 92,000 sales are looking down
Soooo EV sales held up better but are still miniscule in comparison

Reply to  griff
May 28, 2022 1:23 am

we can hope the semiconductor shortage will soon take you offline for good, or failing that, a good old fashioned grid outage thanks to your capacity to repeat utter bollox based on third party lies.

Curious George
May 27, 2022 8:39 am

Ban, ban .. The progressive’s favorite tool. How about dissolving the World Bank?

Philip Mulholland
Reply to  Curious George
May 28, 2022 2:35 am

Ban, ban .. The progressive’s favorite tool.

Quite so. The motor vehicle replaced the horse because the horse was banned.

Dr. Bob
May 27, 2022 8:42 am

Additional issues to consider are all the other products produced from refining crude oil that will have to be replaced if we close down those facilities. All plastics and most chemicals come from refining crude. They are cheap due to the volume of crude processed and will only increase massively in cost if volumes are shut in. So every item we purchase that has any chemical content will necessarily become incredibly expensive as volume of production will be massively reduced.
What will be the impact of that on society and the environment?

Reply to  Dr. Bob
May 27, 2022 2:29 pm

IMHO someone needs to be doing some strategic thinking on these things. How to use more non-fossil energy so that more of the fossil-fuels can be used for transport and materials (plastics and much more). Nuclear energy is the obvious solution for the foreseeable future. But getting it to happen requires a more open market, not government mandates – when a government picks winners everyone loses.

Reply to  Dr. Bob
May 28, 2022 11:12 am

No problem for those who want to ban drilling. Those things won’t be available at any price (wonder what they will use to insulate electrical wiring?).

If they don’t ban drilling and use oil for those other things it is my understanding (please, some oil expert chime in on this), that gasoline becomes a waste product; it is not economical to convert it to longer polymers for other uses. That’s a lot of gasoline. How do we get rid of it? Burning it would not be an option!

May 27, 2022 8:43 am

The price of used ICEs will go through the roof if one can only get an auto loan for a BEV.

On the bright side, if people are forced to hang onto their ICEs, perhaps they’ll hang up their phones and drive. I’d expect everyone would be driving more carefully if they know they have to make their ICE last.

Bryan A
Reply to  H.R.
May 27, 2022 9:25 am

Classify the BEV as a second home (homelessness) and get a 25 year mortgage instead

Reply to  Bryan A
May 27, 2022 11:04 am

In 5 years, after the battery gives out, you will find yourself living in the car anyway.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  H.R.
May 27, 2022 12:12 pm

If the threat of potential death isn’t sufficient, I don’t think that the cost of replacing an insured ICE will be much more incentive.

May 27, 2022 9:00 am

The impractical made profitable through redistributive change schemes and socially palatable through Green myths and em-pathetic appeals.

ian Coleman
May 27, 2022 9:01 am

Tesla has been in business for fourteen years, and still sells its vehicles at cost. It takes massive government subsidies to buyers of Teslas (who are almost all affluent) in order for Tesla to sell most of the cars it does.

Suppose Elon Musk tried to sell Tesla. Who would buy a company that can’t make a product that it can sell at a profit without government distortions of the market? If Musk did put Tesla up for sale, he would be conceding that the great electric vehicle project is a failure, and Tesla’s stock price would immediately collapse, taking it with much of Musk’s paper wealth.

The only way EVs could ever supplant gas cars is if governments just banned the sale of gas cars, or arbitrarily raised the price of gas so that EVs could compete on an economic basis with gas cars. This would mean that at least 80 percent of people who drive would have to give it up. This would be politically impossible.

Bryan A
Reply to  ian Coleman
May 27, 2022 9:27 am

Just ban the sale of Gasoline and Diesel fuels
The value of EVs increases and the value of ICE cars plummet

Reply to  Bryan A
May 28, 2022 11:17 am

And politicians would learn that removal from office does not require term limitations, and what one legislature proposes the next one deposes.

Reply to  ian Coleman
May 27, 2022 9:33 am

Doesn’t Tesla also sell their CAFE (Corporate Average Fleet Economy) credits to ICE makers?

ian Coleman
Reply to  MarkW
May 27, 2022 4:37 pm

Tell you the truth, Mark, I’m a little vague on how government subsidies work to prop up Tesla’s bottom line, so I’ll take your word for it that there is some kind of credit sale protocol going on.

Electric cars are, in addition to being a consumer product, a social movement. Unfortunately, this is one social movement that is available only to the wealthy few, so funding it is inherently regressive. Norway has done so much to encourage electric car sales that Norwegian legislators and civil servants that subsidize electric vehicle sales are essentially taxpayer-paid employees of Tesla.

Reply to  ian Coleman
May 27, 2022 6:18 pm

I find that ironic and funny: the one criticism of Elon Musk that’s

  • undeniable
  • not fixable any expectable time

is that Tesla runs as a gov policies created entity.

And YET they

  • hate Elon Musk
  • but can’t ever use that criticism as they wanted and promoted and voted these exact policies.
Reply to  ian Coleman
May 27, 2022 10:16 pm

I read that Tesla also receives revenue for credits paid for my ICEV manufacturers to continue not yet producing their own EV model.

May 27, 2022 9:02 am

Unfortunately anti technology luddite rants like this are endemic here at WUWT. The mindless leading the mindless.

joe x
Reply to  Duane
May 27, 2022 9:14 am

and yet , here you are.

Bryan A
Reply to  joe x
May 27, 2022 9:52 am

Duane likes to peruse WUWT to look for material to use at parties so he can sound smartsy front of his acquaintances

Reply to  Duane
May 27, 2022 9:35 am

Once again, Duane pipes up whenever someone points outs the problems with his beloved electric toys.
He can’t actually defend his beliefs, but he doesn’t believe he needs to. Just declaring that other people are idiots is all he’s capable of.

Reply to  Duane
May 27, 2022 11:20 am

Back on the meds dude.

Janice Moore
Reply to  Duane
May 27, 2022 11:36 am

Endemic at WUWT is advocacy of data-driven policy and viable, positive ROI/EROEI, technology.

The “Luddites” are those pushing obsolete tech like that early 20th century phenom, the “electric automobile” which was REPLACED by the ICE vehicle based on observations.

ian Coleman
Reply to  Duane
May 27, 2022 10:23 pm

Now Duane, it’s not enough to call people mindless luddites. That is not an argument.

Here’s a little exercise for you: Google up articles published in 2015 about the coming electric vehicle revolution. Wellsir, they all say that electric vehicles will attain good market share by next Tuesday at the latest. That’s the pattern with predictions about electric vehicle sales. They are wildly, irrationally optimistic. A common trick is to cite polls saying how many people would consider buying an electric car, as if that could really mean anything.

The single biggest obstacle to electric vehicle sales? ICE cars are so much cheaper and more reliable. You can’t just wish those things away.

Reply to  Duane
May 28, 2022 1:32 am

You are apparently an auto technology giant.
May I suggest you come over and tell me how to do my job?

Reply to  Duane
May 28, 2022 11:21 am

Oh, we’re all for technology. We just have an unreasonable expectation that it should be a net improvement on what is already available.

Peta of Newark
May 27, 2022 9:06 am

There was a story on EVs opened up this morning on the Beeb, I cannot find it now. haha, I know why.
Because and unusual for BBC, they’d invited comments
There were only about 100 when I went in to drop a few barbs and incendiaries – having only 400 characters available makes for some really potent venom

I wasn’t the only one, I recall only 4 or 5 comments in favour of EVs, and at least 2 of them opened with an apology

The state of the ‘pro’ comments was so beautifully illuminated by someone defending electric cars, by saying that they don’t need to be expensive – just look at the Renualt Tivy we were told.

Oh yeah what’s this?
<thinks> it would have been nice if he spelled Renault correctly but hey ho

There is No Such Thing as a Renauault (either spelling) Tivy

There is a Renault Twizy – which look s to me as an ex-motorcyclist and quad bike owner/rider/driver as Great Fun.
Here’s one, note, NOT in the UK

We were told that “the Tivy is cheap
Do any search, esp Autotrader and they open by saying that the Twizy is expensive, esp for what it is.
Even before Renault sting you £30, 40 or even 50 quid per month just to rent the battery.

Why do some people insist on being soooo dumb, naive and gullible and then, broadcasting it to the world.
laugh or cry?

Bryan A
Reply to  Peta of Newark
May 27, 2022 9:46 am

Twizy is a golf cart sized Egg Mobile

Richard Page
Reply to  Peta of Newark
May 27, 2022 1:23 pm

Looks more like a ‘little tykes cosy coupe.’ My niece used to have one when she was 3 or 4.

May 27, 2022 9:26 am

The EV lovers like to claim that EVs can be charged overnight when demand is otherwise lower. (Not really true, but they like to claim it.)
However if a majority of drivers lack off road parking, and have to drive 30 miles to get to a fast charger, then overnight charging will not be possible for them.

As usual, they are making mutually incompatible demands.

Reply to  MarkW
May 27, 2022 10:20 pm

Until very recent years I owned an apartment in Sydney in an inner city suburb Harbourside, and with no off street parking and no garage, I relied on a street parking permit but being close to a CBD empty parking spaces were difficult to find, almost impossible close to my apartment. And now the local council has limited parking permits for residents.

Not an EV friendly situation.

Old Man Winter
May 27, 2022 9:29 am

I found a very detailed paper on lithium-ion battery fire suppression, regardless of where they are

David Anderson
May 27, 2022 9:33 am

 private capital mobilised’ to advance government policy

This is as pretty good working definition of fascism.

May 27, 2022 10:07 am

This obsession with electric buses will come to a shuddering halt one day.
Unfortunately, it will be the result of a number of people suffering a hideous, public death.
There is no way EV’s are safe for mass public transport in their current state.
The politicians will weep their crocodile tears while blubbering ‘nobody told us’.

We have, though. Numerous times. They just thought virtue signalling was more important.

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Tinny
May 27, 2022 1:10 pm

Here in New Zealand, I have commented to the Annual General Meeting of our retirement-village owners that there are now so many examples of EV fires that they should be banned within their villages. They have responded by confirming that no resident will be permitted to charge an EV on their premises. A reasonable but guarded response, which if it becomes more common will surely spike our socialist government’s ignorant intentions to foster (subsidise) EV sales. Time will tell!

Matt Dalby
May 27, 2022 11:05 am

I’ve lived in a few rural locations in the U.K. and in most of these places the local filling station will also be the local mechanics, the local shop, the post office etc. If we all have to drive E.V.s what will happen to these businesses when they loose the revenue from fuel sales. My guess is that a lot of them will no longer be profitable and will close, depriving people of vital local services. There is already a big problem with small villages loosing these kinds of services and becoming less attractive to live in and I can only see E.V.s making the situation worse.

Clyde Spencer
May 27, 2022 11:44 am

Motorists are modelled to save £700 on fuel for making the switch to EVs.

That is at present costs for electricity and gasoline/diesel. What is going to happen to the price of electricity as the demand increases? What will happen to the cost of home insurance for homes with attached garages as insurance companies increasingly have to pay for the loss of homes from EVs spontaneously igniting while charging? What will happen to the cost of comprehensive auto insurance when an EV charging on the street ignites other cars like a row of toppled dominoes — fires that can’t be extinguished!

Janice Moore
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
May 27, 2022 11:57 am

“… can’t be extinguished.” Correct. They *can* (but in a car carrier to do this would make the price of each EV to high to sell — even with taxpayers continuing to pay costs of production/fund the purchase) be contained with LOTS of water, but, not extinguished. They can only burn out.

(from Old Man Winter’s cited article,, above)

thermal runaway [is] more difficult to manage and continued cooling is required. The associated problems also often become exacerbated as LiB assemblies tend to be in a tightly packed configuration, and are kept in enclosures with minimum leeway and free spaces. …

the main impetus in finding alternative ways of fighting LiB fires mainly hinges on … deploying, water as the most efficient medium for continuous extinguishing and cooling. …

(emphases mine)

“Continuous extinguishing” — in other words: containment only. NOT true “extinguishing.”

Reply to  Janice Moore
May 27, 2022 11:13 pm

I read a while ago that the Spanish Police employ a special metal box to contain burning EV’s for 24 hours until the fire has simply burned itself out.

jeffery p
May 27, 2022 11:53 am

Have you considered this is by design? It’s not a design flaw, it’s a feature. The people pushing these schemes don’t want you or I to have personal transportation save a bicycle? They want to do away with the suburbs, exurbs and single-family housing, control where and how you travel using only public transportation?

The only other possibility, admittedly a very real possibility is they are just dumber than a bag of hammers.

Richard Page
Reply to  jeffery p
May 27, 2022 1:27 pm

There is a third possibility – the people implementing policy are dumber than a bag of hammers being manipulated by others, more intelligent, by design.

Reply to  Richard Page
May 27, 2022 10:23 pm

Can you say, “Greedy useful idiots?” I knew you could.

Reply to  jeffery p
May 28, 2022 11:31 am

Trouble for them is, we greatly outnumber them and vote. As long as we are not out-numbered by ignorant subway riders in dense cities we should be ok. When that happens, the next civil war may be fought between city-folk and rural-rednecks.

I’ll be on the side of the rural-necks, not just because I need my cars but because they are the one who grow the food!

May 27, 2022 2:57 pm

It’s all about control. We have it. They want it. Who wins is up for grabs. We win, we keep some freedom. They win, we’re serfs, then slaves.

May 27, 2022 6:38 pm

I suggest that we build new mental institutions and reopen those which are still standing. The cultists of the Climate Change religion will need to be housed and taken care of when the whole AGW bubble finally bursts. The sort of sane amongst us will need to round them up as they madly dash around screaming their failed beliefs.
The EV thing ain’t gonna cut it. Even now the minerals needed to make the batteries are in short supply for the manufacturers. Just for starters. Lots of refunds coming to those who already paid deposits.

May 27, 2022 10:14 pm

It is rarely mentioned that EV battery packs are usually covered by a conditional warrant to eight years, by then depending on usage and recharging the battery pack capacity would be at best two thirds of original capacity but most I suspect would have much less capacity by that time.

The cost, trade-in valuation battery assessment value or replacement if the owner wants to keep the EV for more years must be added to fuel cost. We don’t normally replace liquid fuel tanks.

Reply to  Dennis
May 28, 2022 11:40 am

We old folks have actually had the ill-pleasure of trying to replace a battery under warranty. They are worthless. They prorate the amount based on the age or wear of the tire, subtract that from the manufacturers recommended price, and require you to replace it with the same brand battery.

Batteries are always ‘on sale’. Once it would have cost me more to replace a battery under warranty then to just walk in and buy one. At best you get a $5 discount, or so, and they have locked you into buying their battery.

Don’t even get me started with JC Penney’s “maintenance-free forever battery,” guaranteed to last you the lifetime of your American-made car.

May 27, 2022 10:30 pm

Realistically eventually oil will become too expensive to refine into petrol and diesel fuels, but of course options include using black coal to produce diesel fuel, but I understand that is an expensive process as compared to refining oil.

EV is suitable for many if not most city and suburban personal transport needs, but so far too expensive compared to an equivalent ICEV. Even battery Electric Buses are useful and now in some Australia cities public transport EB have an overhead recharging system used at each bus stop to top up the battery pack.

However I cannot see how Electric long distance transport Trucks could be commercially viable because the battery pack weight would remove revenue “payload” capacity and recharging delays would be unacceptable. Here in Australia “Road Trains” consisting of up to four trailers are common on country roads and interstate routes. One trailer would need to be a battery pack carrier to cover the easy distances in between potential recharging, by diesel generators, stations.

The fact remains that same as renewable energy electric vehicles on a grand scale are a long way from becoming competitive on a level playing field, no government interference in the free market, no subsidies, etc.

May 28, 2022 2:13 am

whatever topic Ive heard Stern mouth off on..hes been ludicrously ill informed, like the King chappie..they have power but zero brains to match it

May 28, 2022 2:29 am

I am retired, and can feel my age. I bought my wife and I electric bikes, better to learn while we are able.
In Australia all our politicians are clueless. They have no idea what’s coming. They expect us to move to EV’s, but the grid output is being cut.

May 28, 2022 2:45 am

We have had constant riots for insanity, maybe it is time to have riots for sanity and reverse the destructive course those on the left have put us on.

Ewin Barnett
May 28, 2022 4:49 am

It takes at least 10 years from the time of discovery until the first pound of a natural resource is produced. Some resources have been in the exploration/development process for over 30 years. Where do Our Wise Overlords think the massive amounts of copper will come from for the 3X upsizing the electric grid will require in order to recharge all the EVs that we will be forced to use? Government may be able to print money, but they cannot print copper, nickel or rare earths.

For reference, just look up the timeline for mining the massive mineral resource of the Pebble project in Alaska.

Mark A Luhman
Reply to  Ewin Barnett
May 28, 2022 5:28 pm

Pebble mine project was rejected, so was the copper, nickel and cobalt mine in Minnesota. So much for EV being made in the good old USA.

May 28, 2022 4:52 am

What could possibly go wrong as more & more of those “packed & stacked” in high-rise multifamily residential buildings charge EVs in garages BELOW living units? It is matter of when, not if, charging batteries burst into flames and ignite chain reactions throughout garages;-(

May 28, 2022 3:35 pm

The ruling liberal global elite do not want us in any type of cars. They want us packed like sardines in big cities, where it is easier to control the masses by manipulation of electric power.
Of course, the ruling liberal global elite WILL have access to fossil fuel cars or EVs and will be able to travel at will to places they want to go.
The problem for these elite are that there are too many hoi polloi also able to travel at will to places they want to go and it is irritating the elite that they have to wait in line or be stuck in traffic with those who are lower than them in the pecking order. Getting these lowers out of the way allows the elite to move about freely as they wish and allows the elite to visibly see how much better they are than the masses, who must wait in long lines for mass transit or have to bike or walk everywhere.

May 28, 2022 5:24 pm

At a World Bank event in April, former chief economist Lord Nicholas Stern called for a global ban on the manufacture and sale of combustion engine vehicles.”

A totally deluded political class accepting the word of a repeatedly erroneous economist.

Motorists are modelled to save £700 on fuel for making the switch to EVs. However, road pricing and tolls have been proposed to replace Treasury revenue once fuel duty becomes obsolete. Therefore, the gap between petrol and electric car running costs may close.”

A claim that only English majors and Liberal Arts degrees can make. Everyone else is far more likely to fully assess and properly attribute real costs, not fantasies.

There are also infrastructure impediments to overcome.”

Infrastructure that they, any of the Western governments, do not have the minerals, metals, smelters, refiners, manufacturers, laborers, skilled workers, supplies or capacities to accomplish.
As already mentioned just above, delusional fantasies.

Green Party Baroness Natalie Bennett has suggested that electric cars can be used a driveway backup generators, should renewables fail to meet consumer demand. The National Grid and Octopus Energy are piloting a policy which drains EV batteries of energy during generation droughts.”

This is a perfect example where globalist political despots imagine that sheeple will happily submit.
It would only take one event where the government uses cars charging as banks of batteries for general consumption. Before owners realize that any blackout located anywhere nearby means go unhook the car from the charging unit!.

No connected batteries, no bank of car batteries for general consumption.

Government then disallows your charging station, sue to have your always reliable internal combustion engine vehicle returned.

Therefore, the gap between petrol and electric car running costs may close. Electricity costs could even eclipse fuel prices, should the renewables generating electricity fail.”

Sloppy economics so typical of Lord Stern and his political pals.

Gasoline prices are being forced higher by deluded governments. Who apparently fail to understand that increased fossil fuel costs greatly increase all fossil fuel derived products.

Especially electrical products and electricity.
Gas prices are high and climbing higher, yet the loudest voices right now are people who are receiving their winter home heating and electricity bills.

Cheesy Peas
May 28, 2022 5:44 pm

‘I’ve never been to a protest, but if they try to take my car, you’ll see me in the streets.’
But they already are. I’m still amazed at the lack of protest of the banning of ICE cars (all, even hybrids) in 2030. It’s as if people think “it’s mad, it’ll never happen”. But it will. And protesting in 2029 will do no good, as the auto manufacturers will have no ICE inventory.

May 28, 2022 10:46 pm

In Australia governments Federal and State are pushing for a transition to EV, they continue to push for more unreliable so called renewable energy wind and solar installations to replace, they haven’t got a clue, or don’t care because short term politics and crony capitalism is their focus between elections, that the electricity grid, being the world’s largest interconnected grid, was commercially viable based on having major manufacturing business electricity consumer customers, and the lowest demand consumers being domestic benefited from the low electricity prices resulting and based on coal fired power stations and a small percentage from hydro power stations.

And today governments have at long last decided that security of the nation requires the capacity to manufacture locally instead of relying on imports, as far is local manufacturing is practical based on the consumer market demand for products. But in 1975 the UN Lima Protocol was signed by Australia agreeing to the gradual transfer of manufacturing industry to developing nations like China.

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