Guest “Don’t these fools watch science fiction movies?’ by David Middleton
New message to aliens will reflect on Earth in danger of climate crisis
By Keith Cooper published 2 days agoA new attempt to reach out to intelligent life in the universe will broadcast information and music about our environment.
A radio signal designed to bring Earth‘s climate crisis to the attention of alien life will be beamed to the TRAPPIST-1 planetary system in October.
The message has been devised by METI International, a group of scientists, sociologists, historians, anthropologists and artists who have come together with a common belief that humanity would benefit from beaming messages to the stars rather than just waiting to receive a message from aliens. (METI stands for Messaging Extraterrestrial Intelligence, as opposed to SETI, the more passive Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence.) The Goonhilly Satellite Earth Station in Cornwall, U.K., will broadcast the climate-change message on Oct. 4 to coincide with the beginning of World Space Week, which this year has the theme of “Space and Sustainability.”
“Any aliens receiving our message won’t be surprised to hear about our climate crisis,” Douglas Vakoch, President of METI International, told Space.com. “They’ve had decades to observe our plight from afar.”
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Space.com
When I read this, the first thing I thought of was Gort…
I would tell them that when Gort shows up, they need to say “Klaatu barada nikto!”… However, that only worked in the 1951 original… Back when the aliens just wanted to stop us from exporting war into space. This is more like the 2008 remake, in which Gort was an environmental terrorist.
Don’t worry…
Climate models have already wiped out all life in the Trappist-1 system. Well, almost all life…
The announcement of the Trappist-1 system in February, with seven rocky planets orbiting an ultracool dwarf star, sent ripples of excitement through astrobiologists everywhere.
At least three of the planets looked like they were within the star’s “habitable zone” – the region in which water will remain liquid. On that level, at least, the trio seemed like very good candidates for hosting life.
Now, however, 3D climate modelling is dampening expectations, suggesting that at most only one of Trappist-1’s satellites could support life.
The modelling has been completed by Eric Wolf from the Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics at the University of Colorado, Boulder. In doing so, he made the assumption that the seven planets are – or had once been – ocean-covered, with atmospheres comprising nitrogen, carbon-dioxide and water vapour. Orbital and geophysical properties were derived or deduced from collected data.
When Wolf ran the numbers, the results were rather depressing.
“Model results indicate that the inner three planets presently reside interior to the inner edge of the traditional liquid water habitable zone,” he writes in a paper lodged on pre-print site arxiv.
“Thus if water ever existed on the inner planets, they would have undergone a runaway greenhouse and lost their water to space, leaving them dry today.”
The outer three planets, he adds, “fall beyond the maximum CO2 greenhouse outer edge of the habitable zone” and will have entered a lifeless snowball state.
Thus, only the middle planet remains a candidate for hosting life. It could maintain “at least some habitable surface”, Wolf notes, depending on the atmospheric nitrogen levels. If the planet is, in fact, covered in ocean, then “near present day Earth surface temperatures can be maintained”.
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Cosmos
No… Wait… Worry!
I was feeling better, until I read this bit again:
“Thus if water ever existed on the inner planets, they would have undergone a runaway greenhouse and lost their water to space, leaving them dry today.”
The outer three planets, he adds, “fall beyond the maximum CO2 greenhouse outer edge of the habitable zone” and will have entered a lifeless snowball state
Cosmos
We’re a Goldilocks planet to them! Independence Day or Battle: Los Angeles? Either way, we’re screwed!
This just gets funnier and funnier!
If you read on, you’ll find this passage in the subject article:
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The message’s authors hope that this age gap could offer hope for humans facing the climate crisis. If an alien species has managed to survive perhaps millions or even billions of years, then experts assume that they will have long ago solved any climate issues they may have faced and would now exist in a stable society. Hearing from such aliens might give us confidence that we can solve our own climate problems. Furthermore, Vakoch said he thinks that they may be intrigued to hear from a younger species — us — who are experiencing a stage in their development that the aliens’ distant ancestors may also have experienced.
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Space.com
They’re literally reaching out to the Trappistsanians for emotional support because no one here will fix the “climate crisis” for them… While, not realizing that the same climate modelers who convinced them there’s a climate crisis have already wiped out the Trappistsanians with climate models…
will take 40 years for the signal to arrive there, another 40 for their answer to arrive back. Won’t all life cease to exist by then according to the climate models they worship?
Plus however long it takes the aliens to decode the signal, and make a decision to respond.
These retards believe that the Trappistanians are already tuned in to our soap opera…
Has anyone attempted to determine exactly what the signal strength of a 1960’s era TV broadcast would be by the time it gets to the Trappist system? Would it be anything above the cosmic background radiation?
At 40 light years, a 100 kW signal would have a strength of about 7E-31 W/m^2. The signals from Voyager 1 have a strength of about 4E-20 W/m^2, and it takes the Deep Space Network to receive them.
The odds against any civilization a) existing, b) having the ability to receive radio signals of the strength we can broadcast, an ability which we have had for only 60 or so years, c) listening for such signals, must be…what?…3 to 1.
On the other hand, any ET civilization equipped with telescopes looking in our direction on 30 October 1961 might have seen a flash of light about three orders of magnitude brighter than our sun – provided they were looking during the exact microsecond. That was the day the Soviet Union detonated a 50 megaton nuclear bomb, just to show that they could. That signal would go a long, long way…
Since they are 40 years behind they must believe we are entering a glacial ice age with the falling temps of the seventies and such large arctic ocean ice coverage
They’re watching it live, David – the Trappistanians won’t let something as mundane as the speed of light get in the way…
They probably have subspace cable TV… 😉
But wouldn’t the Trappistanians have taken a vow of, if not silence, at least no idle chatter? In which case they are unlikely to respond to us, or mention that they had heard from us…all the while brewing some pretty nifty beer.
Here’s hoping they have the Infinite Improbability Drive . . . something like that.
They won’t stop laughing for at least 20, make an even century. Perhaps by then, we’ll have figured out how to send the idiots to Venus.
Of course, with a forty year message transit time, right now they’re wondering why Start Trek was canceled.
ChuckM: “will take 40 years for the signal to arrive there, another 40 for their answer to arrive back.”
And you just know that the person assigned to wait for the phone to ring will be on the line yakking to their significant other when they do call.
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“Dang! Busy… shall I call again later, Gort?”
“Nah… Don’t bother. Couldn’t have been all that important.”
Well, for sure we’ll have passed all the specified points of “no return” regarding climate change.
This necessarily means that any help offered by any ET species would, ahem, “be futile”.
If there IS “intelligent life” out there, they’ll send Gort to Earth to vaporize all of the “climate activists” and thereby save humanity from its own stupidity.
Yeah, freeze dry me up Scotty, it’s going to be a very long trip. LOL
Talk about narcissistic hubris. What a waste of money and time.
These people are off their rockers.
Finally got it.
Final greens breathe exceeds final oxygen breathe. So we all die. YUP.
Well…
‘Any aliens receiving our message won’t be surprised to hear about our climate crisis,” Douglas Vakoch, President of METI Interational, told Space.com. “They’ve had decades to observe our plight from afar.’
Yes, but they’ve also had decades to observe how us earthlings have always managed to knock the stuffing out of meddling aliens.
Galaxy Quest or Explorers? 🙂
I was thinking about all the ‘B’ sci-fi movies we watched as kids, e.g., ‘Earth Versus the Flying Saucers’.
In Explorers, the aliens had been watching movies like Earth Versus the Flying Saucers for ~50 years… 😉
Hah! You’re obviously a fan of the genre. I have a great idea for a new movie entitled ‘The Progressives Meet the Krell’.
The Krell were a lesson to us all not to give unrestrained power to emotions. I’m afraid a growing number of people haven’t learned that lesson on this planet, and that is the real crisis.
Yup, ‘monsters from the Id’. A perfect allegory to today’s Progressives.
Forbidden Planet… How did I forget this one?
Indeed! The first thing that came to my mind upon reading the Trappist-1-e nonsense, above, was Altair_IV
Guess that means they were smart enough to wear masks to save themselves from the “Saucers” fate…
I was thinking more Babylon 5; when the Centauri contact Earth they are more than willing to sell them what they want.
“Sure we can fix your ‘climate change’ problem, this is how much it’ll cost you!”
Starship Troopers is what we need. Including the medic.
They’ve been studying our moves so now they have us cold
Way to go Hollywood, you doomed us
Considering how well Hollywood physics reflect real life, it’s actually the universe’s most audacious disinformation campaign. If they show up using the generic Hollywood script as the basis for their invasion plan, the aliens will never know what hit them!
Well, if they follow Plan 9 From Outer Space they’ll have about as much luck as Russia invading Ukraine. Less, actually, since they’ll fall asleep about halfway through.
Human- Kzinti wars, with humans victorious most often, have been detailed by Larry Niven and a few of his associates.
However, I don’t know if any of this was broadcast via RF to deep space. Thus, a lesson unlearned by ETs.
The only reason the Kzinti lost was because they were over confident and attacked before having a suitable game plan. Kind of like leftists thinking that they could sexualize little kids, spend money we don’t have, and destroy our energy independence without getting serious pushback.
Unfortunately, the leftists have made great strides to reach their ignoble goals that will take decades to revert back to sanity. Hope we can get back to common sense.
When these aliens take note of the deterioration of our culture between the time they started receiving signals from earth and this, my fear is that their rational response will be “Nuke it from orbit.”
Aliens, 1986
Definitely the BEST of the “Alien” franchise. Better than the first movie, and it all went to hell after that.
3 more minutes of film would have explained much more though.
At the end of the first one Ripley was pondering making it back in a few weeks. At the beginning of the second one we learn it has been decades.
Ripley’s motivation for the few weeks home was making it back in time for her daughter’s birthday. Unfortunately it took decades and her Daughter grew old and died prior to her return. Which explains her apparent bond to the little girl in the second movie.
They are mad! They are not connected to our real world. Their minds exist in a dreamy science-fiction movie. It’s just so funny.
The Matrix?
You’re killing it today, Dave.
One of the previous iterations, possibly. The Matrix in the movie is too realistic…
Well, after all, the Climate Fascists ARE the “Agent Smiths” of humanity – they believe we are the “enemies of the planet,” after all!
From memory…
“I’d like to share a revelation that I’ve had…during my time here. It came to me when I was trying to ‘classify’ your species. I’ve discovered that…humans are…not mammals (eyebrow raise). You see, most mammals instinctively develop a kind of equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move into an area and MULTIPLY, and MULTIPLY, until all of the natural resources have been consumed. Then you have no choice, but to SPREAD to another area.
There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what that is? A VIRUS. Human beings are a disease; you are a plague on this planet, and WE…are the cure.”
Astrobiologists dude…
They are like the old ailing person you sit next to on the bus/train.
One of life’s early lessons is to not to ask people “how are you?”, if you you don’t want their entire sad history. Not only today, but also every day they see you commuting.
Perhaps, these alleged scientists only want to feel loved by aliens, since they are definitely not getting the support here on Earth.
Give them a microphone with a wire into a box and an on-off switch hooked to a battery. They can spill their pathetic lives, hopes and desires all they want. Tell them their recordings will be automatically fed to their radio antennae broadcasts.
To me, their whole desire is to broadcast “Here are tasty human beings”.
To Serve Man… 😉
“It’s a cookbook!”
Juvenilization and Statistification light years amplification.
“… experts assume that they will have long ago solved any climate issues”
More likely, they would have developed a real physics and math based understanding of climate systems and would look at us as primitive intellects who don’t yet understand how science should work to establish truth.
David Middleton has it right that Gort is not the problem.
That wretched race of giant cockroach type things that looks at the Earth as a mineral resource to be mined out and all animal life on the planet as a food resource to be eaten, that is a problem.
Then we have the Trappist-1 system. That planet is a remarkable example of the theory of evolutionary convgence, both in terms of biology and sociology.In it’s last cultural evolution, the place was a more or less democratic society. That form gave way to a type of democratic socialism which then evolved into a somewhat stable dictatorship which is both brutal and has a decidedly militaristic outlook, which we see today.
This is probably one of the last systems you would want to broadcast a message to. Especially one which demonstrates weakness on our part.
Which from environmentalists, is about what we would expect. They seem to have a special skill for choosing the absolute worst choice from any list of options. This was no different.
Battleship… 😉
I like it.
I’m thinking Deep Impact (or Lucifer’s Hammer) mixed with The Moon is a Harsh Mistress or The Expanse – Throwing rocks from a distance
The odds of anyone ever receiving their message are about the same as me winning the next 3 PowerBalls – and I don’t buy lottery tickets.
LOL! From the inane to the insane, radical climate activists have trouble keeping their balance.
“A new attempt to reach out to intelligent life….”
A three toed sloth would be more intelligent that these bozos !
They have obviously given up looking for intelligence within their own group of twerps.
And probably looked in “climate change” circles as well.
And found none. !
If we assume a spherical cow, then all the rest logically follows.
It’s not so much that they are all nuckin’ futz so much as the scary idea that someone thought it was a good use of our money to fund this.
Just think of how many pancakes could have been made and distributed with those funds.
Yes, but unfortunately the Trappist Monks first invented “The Big Gun” a planet killing weapon used from space. One fine Sabbath afternoon during lent, several of the Trappist Monks nursing hangovers got into a theological fight over the acceptable ingredients in beer, with Trappist Monks on the other side of the planet Trappist-E, and used the big gun to teach those suckers over on the other side a lesson about beer purity … unfortunately “The Big Gun” is not a half-planet killing weapon, it is instead a whole planet killing weapon, thus, it doesn’t really matter which side of Trappist-E a bunch of drunken Monks fighting—over the list of acceptable ingredients in beer—aim The Big Gun at, it kills all the Monks on Trappist-E whether they’re beer purist Trappist-E Monks or just plain ol’ good-enough beer Trappist-E Monks.
If the alien’s were looking for intelligent life they will be disappointed
What is the basis for the mental masturbators assuming the Trappists are more advanced than us? Have they received radio transmissions?
A computer model.
Are the Trappistsanians the same ones who published that cookbook, “To Serve Man”?
I have that book. Some pretty good recipes…
By the time the Trappists have received this pathetic plea, they will (assuming that they have been paying attention to electronic signals coming from Earth) have watched hundreds of sci-fi movies. In 97 percent of those sci-fi movies, hardy warrior earthlings (and their winsome female sidekicks) succeeded in killing the evil aliens and fighting off their dastardly attacks.
Their reaction is unlikely to be sympathetic to such a warlike, violent, xenophobic race. More likely they will reach out with one of those planet-destroying beams from Star Wars and give us a taste of the mass extinction that we’ve been whining about.
Or perhaps they will pay us a visit, hoping to meet some of those winsome sidekicks.
It could go either way, Smart Rock.
Are they sending any quotes from Greta?
They were going to, then it was realised any quotes would first have to be edited and from the post a day back we all know what happens when people start clipping her statements.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!! Flame War! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Perhaps we could propose the construction of an A Ark, a B ark and a C ark..?
If aliens communicate with Earth at all it will probably be to offer us an extended warranty for our cars.
Rumor has it, that a communication from Extraterrestial Intelligence has arrived and being received.
It supposedly offers a general introduction to almost full disclosure of the evolution of high intelligence life form(s), like human.
Also offering a great deal of help for any civilized intelligent species on how to pass safely the peak insanity period of the said species in their evolution.
Too bad for us in this world of ours, that we humans as a species happen to be at the very peak of species insanity at this point in time… like never before… therefor lacking the ability and value to have this offered gift to be a blessing.
🙂
(just a fanny storytelling, careful with your heavy artillery, please 🙂 )
cheers
just a fanny storytelling
You’re not British?
Klaatu!
Barada!
Nnnnn… necktie… nectar… nickel… noodle. It’s an “N” word, it’s definitely an “N” word!
It meant Klatu is dead. The robot carried the dead body of the alien . Get your quotations right. The Day the Earth Stood Still. starring Michael Rennie. All about world peace and other fashionable causes of the 1950’s
And doctors who smoked cigarettes in the hospital… 😎
I thought it was “Verata”…
“Klatu, Verata, N[coughs]”
“Well, that’s it! – I said the words…” (takes the book…)
Also, I have played X-COM. The original 90s version that openly hated you and every member of your family and considered MISSION FAILED as all the tutorial you deserved.
What we really need to be doing in relation to aliens is not this METI rubbish. We need to be developing a Skyranger transport that actually has windows in the side!
As the great Python philosopher Eric Idle once sang “Pray that there’s intelligent life somewhere out in space, cos there’s bugger all down here on Earth”
That’s an excellent strategy to protect us from alien invasion. It will undoubtedly hammer home the point that there’s no intelligent life here.
“Any aliens receiving our message won’t be surprised”
So why bother?
Many eons ago, the first micro flora invented photosynthesis with which they converted the 20% CO2 content of the Earth’s atmosphere to oxygen and took over the world. The meddling “modelling” by these pseudoscientists has a severe credibility problem. If a 20% CO2 content couldn’t turn our world into an irreversibly hot, dry desert then, how can a “scary” 0.08% content do that now?
Indeed, but I thought it was 80% or has that figure also been ‘adjusted’?
I say this all the time…and will keep saying it until people listen.
This sounds like one of Terry Pratchett’s stories. If aliens do eventually turn up they might ask indignantly ‘who sent this stupid message’? ‘Come on. No one is going anywhere until whoever it is owns up’. Of course the last time they were here was to help with the pyramids so they may speak to us in Ancient Egyptian, in which case there’s plenty of scope for some climate language expert to ‘translate’ for the aliens so what they say is ‘who sent this fantastic message on Climate Change?’ ‘Come on, let’s get going and fix the Climate Crisis, making sure we meet intergalactic inclusion, diversity and equity targets.’
JUST WORKED OUT THE CON.
They use a cheap bit of kit to “send a message” supposedly to “aliens” … but that is not the message they are sending! The message they are sending is … “if we’re stupid enough to send out messages, then surely aliens are as stupid as us … and here comes the con … so we must have funding to watch the sky for said messages”
Cue, enormous “research facilities” stuffed full of extremely well paid woke people, where all they do is sit around all day pushing the woke globalist agenda. … you’ve got the CIA to do that!
I am really at a loss and completely dumbfounded by these linked articles. I actually think it caused me to lose IQ due to my brain doing somersaults in my skull. There used to a saying, “That which does not kill you makes you stronger.”, when just maybe putting kids in helmets, car seats, etc was/is really a bad practice. We have prevented evolution from doing its job of natural selection.
I disagree. Helmets and car seats allow one to absorb the lessons the universe has to teach, rather than dying from them. They protect from the randomness of the universe, although I confess that growing up there was nary a bike helmet in sight. That might suggest that we were more cautious, but anyone raising children will know that’s not the case.
reminds me of top astronomers 100 years ago writing seriously about contemporary martian canal building . the more things change the more they stay the same
I, for one, welcome our new insect overlords.
LOL – they won’t even need the cookbook – raw will do just fine!
Oh, and – “At least you don’t see them f—–g each other over for a percentage.”
” The message’s authors hope that this age gap could offer hope for humans facing the climate crisis. ”
Have they consulted with Al Pacino?
“The message’s authors hope that this age gap could offer hope for humans facing the climate crisis. If an alien species has managed to survive perhaps millions or even billions of years, then experts assume that they will have long ago solved any climate issues they may have faced and would now exist in a stable society.”
I want to know how you get to be an “expert” in this. It sounds fun and profitable.
“sent ripples of excitement through astrobiologists everywhere.”
Astrobiologists… What exactly do astrobiologists study?
Space bugs – they’ve seen all of the ‘Aliens’ and ‘Starship Troopers’ films!
Flash Chemtrail
Lucid certified expert dreamers, who can scientifically find or figure out out what color the pink unicorns will have on other Gaia planets out there in the astro realm..
Kinda of the most lucid ones out there among the astro experts… oh well after the scientific group of astromessengers though.
cheers
I hear that The Sound of Music is big in the Trappist system.
After 100 years of monitoring our radio waves, the new assessment would be “Danger – quarantine zone. Don’t go near earth, Woke brain virus spreading”.
“Danger – quarantine zone…”
I thought the earth was listed as Mostly Harmless.
A look at the https://www.goonhilly.org/ website as well as a general Web search have failed to reveal the transmission power capability of their main antenna.
Hopefully, it is not more that 1 kW.
Why in the world would anyone want to broadcast to the Trappist-1 planetary system (or, for that matter, anywhere else in the universe) the outright, non-scientific, stupidity asserted by a relatively few humans regarding the unsubstantiated “climate crisis”?
In the 1e^-9 chance such a message is received and decoded by a alien species having technology much more advanced than humans, such would be an open invitation to intelligent life to immediate destroy the universal threat posed by such thinking.
Fortunately for all humans current living on Earth, it will take 39.5 years for any such radio “message” to reach the Trappist-1 system . . . and at least another 40 years or so to see any response, if there is to be one. If aliens do arrive, perhaps by then we can communicate words to the effect of “Ooops . . . just kidding!”
A transmission at a power level of 1 kW or less will hopefully be below the level of detectability at the distance of Trappist-1.
They will be there and we will be here and the return message will be “STFU, idiots”.
Geez, the sheer numbers suggest that it is likely that somewhere in the universe super-effective primordial environments resulted in the superadded evolution of semi-demiurges requiring no tech development to perceive all things human. They may have even created us. Tune in next time for another episode of Dr Sprew.
I am not sure if Delirium Tremens is a Trappist Ale or not, doesn’t matter, enough of the stuff will get you there. LOL
The remake of Carl Sagan is worse than the original.
Neil deGrasse Tyson wrecks everything he touches.
Where did the energy to beam this electromagnetic information away from the earth come from and why weren’t those photons intercepted by greenhouse gas?
If aliens are anything like Russians then they’re definitely coming.
The west’s weakening of its energy security due to the climate religion with the corrosive effect of renewable generation, played a significant role in Russia’s reasoning to attack Ukraine, knowing particularly Germany and central Europe’s dependence on Russian gas that were made inescapable by the renewable intermittent capacity.
Windmills are a universal communication symbol saying “invade! invade!”
It’s great these folks want to provide a public service to aliens instead of wasting their time doing real science. I think it may not be enough however to just send a message. This is the type of news best delivered in person. We need to twist the arm of someone rich and powerful – say Elon Musk – and see if they won’t build us a mighty ship so all these well-meaning do gooders can take their message galactic. I propose we call the ship Ark Fleet Ship B. These are exactly the type of people who can make the best use of such a ship. I volunteer to write the landing program for when they reach the nearest receptive civilization. I have no programming knowledge nor any understanding of cosmic navigation or space engineering but that won’t stop me from making the landing a true smash hit.
we the thinking need to send our own message out to space. include a graphic of a climate protester holding a sign with the caption that reads…eat me.
“Any aliens receiving our message won’t be surprised to hear about our climate crisis,” Douglas Vakoch, President of METI International, told Space.com. “They’ve had decades to observe our plight from afar.”
We’ve also been able to observe Earth from space for decades. No signs of a “plight” so far.
If the cast of Galaxy Quest suddenly disappears, I blame METI.
Hmm … maybe the signal is more along the lines of the one sent in “They Live!”?
The Trappist 1 beings will think this is the worst reality TV and confirm that there is no intelligent life in our solar system.
Good heavens! They clearly are still the same juveniles as back in 1951. Older but totally not wiser. What a load of nonsense.