Well, how can you expect support and pressure from voters if you aren’t treating the crisis like a crisis. Since the climate crisis ‘doesn’t exist’, how can we expect people to want climate action?
Do you interpret her statement NOT as HER opinion but as attributing the “Since the climate crisis ‘doesn’t exist’” part tothe general public and/or the Climate “Skeptics?”
It’s discouraging to get down-voted on this site for communicating the truth about something. There is no climate crisis, obviously, but using doctored videos to make a fake point, doesn’t help us spread the truth about that fact.
Which is never, ever done to discredit climate sceptics.
It’s a giggle, a joke, that a silly little girl is presented as a credible source of information on a subject that credentialed scientists can’t agree on.
Exactly! The very idea that an autistic teenager is used to carry the brand of a pseudo science pretending not to be 100% political is ridiculous and shows the absolute intellectual bankruptcy of those who howl at the moon and cry “Climate Crisis”, where there is NONE!
How long has Greta been giving interviews? How many hundreds of interviews over how many years? If she hasn’t learned to avoid the obvious problem areas then perhaps she’d be better off staying off the damn tv and going back to school – she’ll need all the help she can get.
That’s actually the real story. Who cares what Greta really meant? Her relevance is a media creation. The important piece is that every “fact-checking” agency on the left rushed in to prop her up.
Without the media, she’s just a teenage high school dropout whose hot takes on the weather are every bit as relevant to the world of science as any other child’s.
Sure there’s the politics, but the video was doctored. Important information was left out. WUWT should be above such click-bait BS, and it should certainly be corrected when it’s discovered.
Point taken. I don’t help matters myself, not being a scientist. I sometimes worry that WUWT intersects too strongly with the far-right takes out there. I almost deleted my bookmark when the site recently posted the old report about 2020 election fraud. I guess the “science” on the 2020 election is hardly settled, either, but I’m not sure what that has to do with anything other than the political climate.
Biden lap top: totally Russian misinformation. All of the Marxist media and social media censoring news about the lap top until after the election: nothing to see here, move along. Polls that show that if they had known the facts about the lap top, 17% of Biden voters would not have voted for him: what difference does it make now? Wisconsin Government investigation showing that in rest homes,100% of residents voted, including those who can’t even remember their own name: just “right wing talking points” (sic).
Sure. The laptop censorship was election interference. But why would WUWT post about it or about impossible-to-prove theories about election fraud? Why not leave the right-wing rabbit holes for other sites?
If I try to explain the holes in the theories that wind can replace fossil fuel use or batteries can make us independent of China and Russia, I get accused of being Tucker Carlson’s crony. If I quote something here, a friend or acquaintance follows the link and sees the election fraud post, he’s not going to bother to read the climate post.
Getting away from Chicken Littleism should be a bipartisan thing. Now it gets dismissed as right-wing. Scientific exploration should not be partisan.
So, you have friends that <i>might</i> be smart enough to realize that Climageddon is a fraud – but not smart enough to realize that the current occupant of the White House is a fraud.
Might be time to think about an upgrade to your circle of friends.
I am going to go out on a limb here and say that you politically identify as a Centralist.
You use the phrase ‘far-right’ unironically yet do not seem to subscribe to the ‘Everything Would Be Better if only everyone would Do As They Are Told’ group mindset of the Left.
You also show signs of the ‘why can’t we all just sit down and discuss it?’ mind set and trust in the process of allowing everyone their fair say in an open debate.
So… Centralist?
The thing with a Centralist mind set is the open trust that people aren’t lying to you. You have implied that you dismiss the evidence of election fraud more or less because you don’t believe someone would do something as un-ethical as to deliberately corrupt the process of democracy.
Spoiler? There is proof. Your Nation of cause Varies, but in my part of the world preventing scrutineers from observing a vote count in some of the ways clearly documented would be enough to have an election ruled invalid on the simple suspicious that corruption COULD have happened.
You should also note that the line is you can’t ‘Prove’ there was corruption. Lack of proof does not automatically mean innocence, it means lack of proof, and if you are discussing the a subject where it is in one (or both) party’s interest to delay ‘proof’ then ‘Lack of Proof’ is almost shorthand for ‘cover up’.
So why is discussion about possible election corruption completely valid on a site that discusses the implications of ‘Global Warming(tm)’ and ‘Climate Emergency(tm)’?
‘Global Warming(tm)’ isn’t just about planting a few more trees and turning lights off when you leave a room. It is a billion dollar business that requires support at the top levels. It is a global political movement that openly discusses things like ‘The New Normal’, ‘Build Back Better’ and whatever bollocks AOC was talking about. It has MASSIVE implications.
I honestly, based on the evidence you have provided, believe you are a centralist. You still believe in the honesty and selflessness of your fellows.
This is all fascinating. I haven’t been the subject of neg-bombs here before, so it’s a new experience. That’s fine. Helps me understand a little better exactly what people feel comfortable with here. That’s not meant as a slam.
So… hard to define, huh? I hate the idea of joining any group that would have me, to borrow, what was it, Groucho Marx’s line? I hope that doesn’t make me a Marxist.
I try not to believe in anything. Hence my skepticism about the gods of global warming, etc. I really enjoyed Steven Koonin’s book for its tone as well as the fact that it seemed aimed at non-experts like myself.
I tried to explain why I was disappointed that WUWT went in the election direction. But it’s entirely possible that those who run this site want to branch out that way. Don’t we have too many places on the internet where red v. blue is the be-all and end-all?
But as to your point. The election won’t be overturned. Biden is our president, like it or not. Until January 2025, if we want to stave off this speedmarch toward energy insecurity, we have to convince the blue-staters. So why repel them?
No Joe, again. Biden will most certainly be gone before November, as the plan was always to have Kamala be able to have two years after Biden resigns before the midterms and then win 2 more full terms. Now that ain’t gonna happen, except maybe Joe gets the 25th for being an old demented criminal white man and banished in shame from politics.
Theoretically, if Biden doesn’t resign or get the 25th, Donald J Trump could be appointed the Speaker of the House in time for the Inauguration, Joe Biden could drop dead of a heart attack while giving his speech, and Kamala Harris could slip on a banana peel at the swearing in and break her neck and be permanently out of breath, and the Speaker of the House becomes President. Now that would be sweet justice. And rectify a historical wrong that now has given probability to the Democrats completely trashing the United States of America.
If it was only the fact that Zuckerberg spent multi millions to virtually purchase the staff of polling stations in key areas, so that only activist Democrats were hired, it would have been a rigged election it was that alone which made it possible to allow all the voting irregularities.
I think a majority of House Republicans would vote for Trump for Speaker of the House, if Trump wanted to be the Speaker, but Trump says he doesn’t want to be Speaker.
“The laptop censorship was election interference. But why would WUWT post about it or about impossible-to-prove theories about election fraud?”
What do you mean “impossible to prove”? It should be obvious to anyonw who looks at the issue fairly that massive election fraud took place during the 2020 elections.
The only thing we don’t know for sure is who those who cast fraudulent votes voter for.
There is no doubt there was massive voter fraud during the 2020 election. And it is very easy to prove, just look at the figures.
I think everybody here would agree with that statement, but the reality of our times is that the Left is strongly allie3d with the climate change crowd and run a very comprehensive and relentless disinformation campaign to obscure their alliance while attacking logic and real science on all fronts. Fairly inevitable that it spills over onto a site like this.
Whoa….you just said the 2020 election wasn’t rigged and a fraud? What do you call the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop scandal when polls show that if that truth about it being real had been out there, many a Democrat said that would have changed their vote to Republican?
That story was not only repressed by Twitter and FB, & Google et al, but by almost all other MSM out there. And suppressed by the FBI, and still is to a certain degree. Not to mention various States voting laws being changed for Covid. And the water main break in Atlanta but turned out to be a simple toilet overflow, so they could send everyone home and stuff ballots half the night.
Get real Joe. Most people know the 2020 election was rigged. Some say couldn’t have happened to a better guy, but still it was a stolen election and then after all that lying and cheating, they stole it only by a whisker in a handful of counties, in a handful of States.
Leftists fully believed the fake russia collusion hoax somehow was election interference, but when confronted with real, verifiable interference, ie suppressing speech and inconvenient facts, they pretend like it’s a conspiracy theory. I don’t know how we as a republic can continue if we can’t even have honest political discourse anymore.
I hear both Putin and Trump also sometimes worry that WUWT intersects too strongly with the far-right takes out there, just as you do. Maybe delete the bookmark? Either of you three changing your minds on the matter is, of course, also fine.
The political climate has everything to do with alarmist climate change. Politics is certainly relevant to alarmist climate change. We couldn’t discuss alarmist climate change in today’s political atmosphere without discussing the politics involved.
I’m reading the last couple of hours of comments on this… oh, my. Can’t do anything but laugh.
But this doesn’t end well for skeptics of “settled” science if the site-runners themselves only want Republicans reading. It’s a trust issue. No politician is worth trusting, on either side.
I have been reading, and commenting, here for over 10 years. Maybe starting around 2009, once I was examining “global warming” and stumbled across the “surfacestations” website.
Back then, and for years, readers were probably mostly “liberals,” inclined to vote Democrat, as many college and higher educated people tend to be.
I was one of the first to begin pointing out that “Democrats” were no longer Democrats, but were Communists.
I believe, all ,except me – I am the Last Democrat.
“Liberals,” “Democrats,” and “Progressives” are very different terms now from 30 years ago.
The readership has shifted. Many in the general political middle may still be there, and maybe are more anti-Democrat than 20 years ago, and there are many conservative readers now here who have figured out that the Global Warming scam is largely promoted by Communists, and some are aware that the “Unparty” and “RINOs” are also in on the action.
So, there was very little Dem-Repub political overtone from 2009 through maybe 2012, but that has shifted here.
More conservatives have grown to see the Climate issue as just yet another Communist avenue of action, albeit one where Big Business and Big Investors and Political Establishment are happy to ride along, out of self-interest.
The far right is whatever is exactly one em-space to the right of me. And the far left is whatever is exactly one en-space to the left of me.
In this balkanized cyberspace we now call the public square, it seems no longer possible to hold anything but a shallow and narrow set of opinions. J.K. Rowling has outdone herself with her recent commentary about Pavel in the former Czechoslovakia.
Point being, if WUWT allows itself to be defined in this manner, it will be dismissed in the same manner. And that’s a shame, because this particular story needs to be told.
The world doesn’t revolve around you Joe, or your concept of Right and Left to tell what us here at WUWT what we discuss amongst ourselves in thread tangents that aren’t part of any current WUWT editorial content in this article about Greta.
Similarly, the issue of climate is a Left/Right issue to some significant degree (no pun intended) as it is being used by the Left for a total different political purpose than understanding climate science. They are using it for wealth distribution and cronyism rewarding their political interests that will assist in furthering the Leftist agenda. Including shutting down fossil fuel use, even for the 7000 products that we use from that.
So this discussion about right wing and left wing, and stolen elections is absolutely crucial to understanding what happened, and what direction we are headed if we ignore politics. I find your arguments immature and completely without merit, given that politics is embedded in everything that happens. And with the narrowest of margins on how the 2020 election went, any election irregularities were very much in favor of the Democrats just upon all the previous evidence like the Hunter Biden laptop, or the Russian collusion BS that went on for years, amongst many other things that went on. I don’t think you really get it yet. Or you don’t want to. Especially given how few votes separated the Biden ‘win’ from the Trump loss. History will not be kind to your line of thought.
History is defined by those who write the history books. Seemingly, the Democrats these days. However, the “history will not be kind…” line is absolutely a weapon of false consensus, much like the government’s infamous “97%” baloney.
I agree with you that those in power in the EU and the US are using the issue to secure control, formulate some variation of authoritarianism where they’re richly rewarded at the expense of the middle class. I don’t think they particularly care about or understand why oil is necessary – if they’re hit by surprise, as the elite they can always get these products from Russia or China.
Where we disagree is tactics. Preaching to the choir might feel more virtuous, but what’s your goal here? I don’t particularly like how the election turned out, earlier, but the biggest effect was because Trump had to have his tantrum, the Georgia Senate races flipped. Those two seats should have remained in Republican hands, and that would have limited the damage from Biden’s heel turn to the left.
If you’re Republican, you should love it every time someone on the left says Gore won in 2000, and there’s reams of evidence. Because that is not a winning argument with moderates. It just isn’t. Now, I’m kind of a deep-dive person when it comes to statistics and I’m very familiar with politics in Michigan. So when we saw the cardboard on the windows in Detroit, it got my attention. I looked at the whole state, district by district. In the suburbs, city after city, Trump badly underperformed his 2016 results. That’s why he lost Michigan. Maybe there were shenanigans in Detroit, but he lost Michigan by 2.8% and the polls were dead on. It simply strains credulity to claim that we know 150,000 votes were manufactured, when what happened to Hillary in 2016 was that Detroit didn’t come out for her as expected and it returned more to normal in 2020. However, Trump lost Michigan in those suburbs – 5,000, maybe 10,000, I’d wonder. But not 150,000.
So he’d need three of the other four that get questioned – Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin and Arizona. I don’t have the depth of knowledge of those states as I have with Michigan, but that’s a lot to assert. The better course of action is to point out the flaws and push for voter ID, ballot security.
However… the bottom line is that people outside your bubble aren’t going to take WUWT seriously if they see assertions that the election was stolen when the entire point of the site is that this same type of assertion about climate change is causing enormous harm. It feels odd – I worry that I can’t take what I read here as seriously because the moderator is OK with this tactic in the end.
Doesn’t matter in the least. Take the whole thing – what she is saying is that a crisis only exists if the holy government says it does. And that if the holy government does say it, then it is a crisis.
One can find many, many crises that have been and are being ignored by government. And many that were not crises, but were created out of whole cloth by government.
I think the more salient point is that to Gretta it isn’t important whether a Climate Crisis exists or not. It is far more important to have voters believe that it exists.
Sounds more like religion. If the congregation is dwindling, there’s less jingle in the plate as its passed along.
Are there not many realms other than religion wherein it is important that the voters/people believe something exists/is really happening/etc., in order for elected officials to act effectively? Indeed, pretty much all?
(It seems to me many atheists believe their “disbelief” renders them free of bias, as if by magic ; )
“Well, how can you expect support and pressure from voters if you aren’t treating the crisis like a crisis. Since the climate crisis ‘doesn’t exist’, how can we expect people to want climate action?”
What she meant to say was
Well, how can you expect support and pressure from voters if you aren’t treating the crisis like a crisis. If it appears that the climate crisis ‘doesn’t exist’, how can we expect people to want climate action?
Despite being a small word if has a very strong impact on the meaning of a sentence. There are certain things in English which aren’t common in other European languages. A classic example is the song Fernando by ABBA with these lines
Now we’re old and grey Fernando And since many years I haven’t seen a rifle in your hand
A native would say And for many years I’ve never seen a rifle in your hands or similar. Another example is age and elapsed time where the French say I have x years or I have been doing it since 14 years
So we all know what she meant to say just that speaking in a foriegn tongue a direct translation and tense don’t always help. French has many false friends, possibly English does for Swedes
Good points Ben, but it’s even simpler than that. If they had included the full statement, no native English speaker would have thought she was saying what the doctored video has her saying.
it was only doctored by repeating over and over her last line at the end. Nothing was omitted, was it not? Liberal media hammered Trump for 4 years for imprecise wording…she is now a political figure, she, just like Biden’s incoherent stammering, and Harris’ word salad, is fair game.
English has a very high tolerance for mistakes of the type you describe – possibly because it is so common to hear non-native speakers use the language.
Although it is possible to work out what she is trying to say it is still amusing. And revealing that the whole movement is based on, step one: get people to panic.
I agree people on the right of the political aisle should never lower themselves to leftist tactics. We do not need to manipulate video for propaganda purposes. We just need to focus on the truth to discredit a brainwashed adolescent teen with a mental disorder.
Somewhere between her mid 20s and mid 30s all that attention, fame, and pressure will snap back at her ten times as hard. It’s going to be rough for her.
Wow, she got something correct.. probably for the first time.
Well done, Greta !
Ron Long
April 20, 2022 6:20 am
When persons with Asperger (now high-function Autism) get focused in a good direction, they are very productive, like Mozart, Darwin, Newton, Jobs, and one of my favorites Susan Boyle. When persons with Asperger go off on a tangent they do crazy things. The sad part is that Greta could be helped if her parents, and others, weren’t exploiting her.
Paul Hurley (aka PaulH)
April 20, 2022 6:21 am
I’m sure the damage control team is hard at work. 😉
It is doctored to make it appear that she was making a point different than the one she actually intended. It is obvious that there is no climate crisis, but doctored videos like this just give fodder to the alarmists’ cause.
Main line…
a complete clear rejection and refusal to touch and be involved, directly or indirectly, with a highly “toxic” package… regardless where there is or not a climate crisis to consider.
Simply put:
“No, thank you very much for offering, but am not touching that “toxic thingy” there.
Cheers
John Garrett
April 20, 2022 6:23 am
Judy Woodruff will undoubtedly be playing that clip on the PBS News Hour tonight.
Most likely from a lack of education…The most important knowledge is meted out on Fridays
fretslider
April 20, 2022 6:36 am
Democracy is the most precious thing we have.
Sadly she’s still out of touch with reality – certainly in the UK. What we have is an illusion of democracy; being allowed to rearrange the deckchairs every so often, but there UK feudal democracy ends. No power of recall, no power of anything whatsoever. Just rearranging the chairs.
Post-covid Parliament will be implementing Net Zero without any democratic consultation, doing everything it can to avoid it, You know the MO; far-right deniers etc
I wonder why she said it, she’s been well schooled on what to say for some time. And more importantly, has she been sent to her room without supper?
The UK has a mediaeval museum piece that needs dragging into the 21st century. Giving people more democratic rights will not affect the individual beyond giving them, er, more rights. Were you thinking of the US? That would make sense.
The Swiss Democracy Model is okay. We have similar direct democracy here in California, but the people are so uninformed that they usually get it wrong. Like when they retroactively increased my taxes to fund schools, but all the money actually went to shore up teacher’s pensions.
But direct democracy works only if you have a constitution with strong protections for the rights of individuals. Otherwise, the majority will take those rights away. See tyranny of the majority.
California is a mess, politically. It is essentially a single party state and only a few short steps away from tyranny. But I hope people will remember, the USA is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. There is a difference.
People who say “democratic” a lot usually are advocating some form of
tyranny or don’t realize how dangerous & unstable it is. Many have
heard of Socrates but few realize it was, as Thomas said, the “tyranny of
the majority” that forced him to drink hemlock. Dangerous stuff!
People who say “democratic” a lot usually are advocating some form of
tyranny or don’t realize how dangerous & unstable it is. Many have
heard of Socrates but few realize it was, as Thomas said, the “tyranny of
the majority” that forced him to drink hemlock. Young people are
attracted to the word “democratic” never realizing it’s dangerous stuff!
They have reinvented the word “democracy” just as they reinvented “racism” and “fascist”.
When the power of leftists is under threat, they warn of threats to “democracy”.
I don’t believe she said that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HURRAY, HURRAY, HURRAY. Has she come to her senses now she is a little older ????? OR WAS IT A LIE ALL ALONG ??????
She was apparently looking through the HAZE of heavy CO2 in the room and misread her teleprompter
Thomas
April 20, 2022 6:43 am
Charles, the video has been edited. What she actually said was,
Well, how can you expect support and pressure from voters if you aren’t treating the crisis like a crisis. Since the climate crisis ‘doesn’t exist’, how can we expect people to want climate action?
Give it up.
The video clearly shows her saying the full statement, exactly as you quote it here. look at it again.
It is only after the full quote that the “fun” edit stuff begins. What is important to note, the “fun” edits aside, is that the full quote was, in fact, shown in full.
It was taken out of context. She clearly did not mean that the climate crisis doesn’t exist … although she would have been correct if she had meant that.
The problem is that you cannot hear inverted commas in speech. That’s why people often use finger inverted commas, usually unnecessary. Non-native English speakers, quite often native speakers too, don’t always realise when they’ve dropped a clanger. This was one of those cases
Well, how can you expect support and pressure from voters if you aren’t treating the crisis like a crisis. Since the climate crisis ‘doesn’t exist’, how can we expect people to want climate action?
The first sentence quoted above, was not in the video. Reading them together it’s clear that she did not mean to say there was no crisis. She’s wrong about that, but the video misrepresents what she said. It’s funny, but it’s a blatant misrepresentation.
“well, how can you expect support and pressure from voters if you aren’t treating the crisis like a crisis.”
Yes, in a way, this is even worse than the second sentence., and applies to ALL those who fly private jets and huge yachts and plastic hulled catamarans to Climate conferences.
She is telling the world that she knows there is no climate crisis, because none of those doing all the yelling about climate are doing anything.. not even herself.
She began opposing The Team™’s using dictatorial powers to ram through their agenda
regardless of the will of the people. Greta says emphatically that “democracy is the most
precious thing that we have & we must not risk that”. To her, it’s wrong to act against the
will of the people! So when she says “the climate crisis ‘doesn’t exist’” she should have
added “in the minds (& possibly hearts) of the people” to add clarity. That’s my take.
It’s even more clear when you see the entire statement (above).
When the will of the people would act to remove someone’s inalienable rights, without due process, it is right, not wrong, to act against that will. When alarmists seek to censor skeptics, they may be acting in alignment with the will of the people (or maybe not, I don’t know) but in America censoring people is illegal. One does not need to be a political scientists to understand that censoring is wrong. It’s basic human manners. Try telling everyone you meet to shut the hell up, and see how many friends you make.
Again, you need to read the full statement, which was censored from the video.
Well, how can you expect support and pressure from voters if you aren’t treating the crisis like a crisis. Since the climate crisis doesn’t exist, how can we expect people to want climate action?
[I removed the quotes around, “doesn’t exist.” Clearly they were not in the spoken version.]
The main and only theme of her answer was a plain clear rejection of a possible hypothetical offer… as implied by the question.
The main object matter of the question… President Biden… and not climate crisis perse.
Really? You know her personally, do you? Know her that well that you ‘know’ what she’s thinking? Or are you trying to tell the world that you’re telepathic one step at a time? Stop being a complete moron all the time, just give it a rest will you?
Point being that I’m not stupid enough to put myself in a situation requiring me to answer questions in public. Thank you for answering those few short questions, whiten.
SERIOUSLY? She is being worshiped on MSNBC and the question was basically “Oh Mighty Greta! What should these poor inferior leaders be doing in a perfect world where you were the one really in charge? Share with us your wisdom so we can shame World Leaders into doing more to combat the evils of CO2”
That is cheap nasty and poisonous?
It is so fluffy I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t pre-agreed. Greta DOES have an answer prepared and, arguing over ‘doesn’t exist’ notwithstanding, is clearly thought out.
Seriously, a real cheap and nasty question would be “Greta, you never completed high school and have been called a selfish egotistical cow who has exploited her so call ‘childish innocence’ to live a lifestyle not even the western middle class could dream of. So how do you still believe you can act as a role model to slave wage child miners in 4th world countries?”
I mean I think we can all agree THAT is a nasty question. Calls her intelligence into question. Questions the purity of her motives. Draws attention to her very comfortable lifestyle (hey, how many of us have sailed across the Atlantic in a yacht none of us could afford?), implies her ‘Green’ future is actually exploiting children and leaves any possible answer open to deliberate misquoting.
If you honestly think that the question asked was nasty you need to get out more.
All your argument above proves that actually the question was a cheap one.
And yet, still a cheap question can be nasty and poisonous too.
The nastiness of that question stands on the attempt of the anti Trump MSM komisariat to have Greta follow-support their line and narrative in the proposition of Biden.
By simply publicly pressurizing her to accept that position.
Questions like that are poisonous because of the blunt devious attempt to directly shamelessly compromise the actual taken position of a given person, in a given matter… especially when politics at large are involved.
It is not the first time that happens with Greta and the poisonous MSM.
Already once before Greta rejected and refused a same offer from the MSM.
Then it regarded President Trump. (remember!)
And then the rejection was not because of democracy, per the explanation given then.
No problem with democracy then, for Greta to get involved towards President Trump then… on the climate subject.
But still, then, Greta clearly and categorically refused the MSM offer… and stud true to it.
For a second time, Greta has slapped publicly the poisonous MSM, by refuting again their offer and request.
An MSM which lately has gone full Bidenrati.
Hope you get the point explained here.
Well, still I respect your opinion. 🙂
cheers
Earthling2
April 20, 2022 7:35 am
Just what is the climate emergency anyway? Are the oceans boiling…sea levels flooding New York City? And not just Tropical Storm Sandy. Not even any of those Pacific Islands have sunk beneath the waves.
I heard all the claims the last 30 years, but I haven’t seen evidence of any climate emergency. Greta must finally be correct this time.
Jim G.
April 20, 2022 7:39 am
I’m not convinced that she believes the climate crisis doesn’t exist.
Given that English is not her first language, misstatements in another language are much easier to come by. It could be that she meant that the climate crisis doesn’t exist to many voters.
Perhaps that’s reading too much into her statement, but it would be consistent with what she’s done and said so far.
I’m not suggesting that a climate crisis does exist, just that perhaps this is not the gotcha moment that it’s purported to be.
That answer from Greta is a type of answer, that no matter how much one will attempt to doctor it or misinterpret it, still it remains the same in the end.
Where the context still holding clearly the same original intent and meaning.
With so little she said so much… with clarity and potential.
Yes Jim that was my take..
i.e. She’s trying to say that ‘folks’ =me you everyone. apart from her (in her abused & brainwashed state) and the scientists don’t know about the crisis or esp how big a crisis it is.
She’s still an absolute peach because by saying as much, she is so totally slagging off the scientists and the government and obviously by name: Brandon
iow: The crisis has failed because our leaders have failed.
Doesn’t that just open a can of worms, esp when you recall that ‘If a politicians lips are moving, he’s lying
Anyway. If you, anyone, ever gets into the acquaintance of Autistic Spectrum Disordered People, the first thing you’ll notice is that they are ‘a bit odd/different‘
For many folks, that’s all they want to know, will make some ugly comment and then walk away without further ado.
The Very Definition of Racism
If you persist, allow them their ‘difference,’ and are willing to educate yourself, The Very Next Thing you discover is their quite incredible and dis-arming honesty.
And compared to The Rest Of Modern Society, that is the most amazing breath of fresh air you’ll find anywhere…
Many people can’t handle it – hence we saw Trump Derangement Syndrome
Now you understand why Mr Trump was required to do a mental health test?
He was always scrupulously honest – to point of being ‘a bit brutal’
It was in fact very simple why Mr Trump was ‘different‘ and is what I rave about endlessly – Mr Trump was/is T-Total
I ain’t calling for all out prohibition, just prohibition for all our leaders, scientists & teachers, police and folks who have any contact with children.
The Perfect Example: BBC Headline:“No 10 parties: PM’s lockdown fine constitutional crisis, says historian
We actually have and for the first time ever, a Prime Minister in trouble with the police, because he was drunk
Yes there is a crisis Greta, but one you’ll never really understand because and, probably the 3rd thing anyone will learn about ASD people is that they very rarely drink alcohol
btw. Its Wednesday (humpday) today. Not Monday
I’ll say no more
Given the song she sang at Glasgow; “You can shove your climate crisis up your arse” then this comment saying “climate change… doesn’t exist” seems entirely consistent. What exactly was your point again?
DaveinCalgary
April 20, 2022 7:43 am
I’m happy to brag that was the first time I’ve ever heard her speak.
We used to bemoan the fallacy of the appeal to authority.
Greta embodies the appeal to non-authorities.
griff
April 20, 2022 8:14 am
elderly white males feel threatened by Swedish teenager… you have to laugh…
Gave you a plus there, but still, stop trying a pull a “Greta”.
You still have a corruptible character, in comparison…
At least per in your own public presentation acting.
Misguided, ill-informed, idealogical and close-minded, sure. But yeah, I think he mostly means what he says. He plays too many (failed) gotchas but otherwise he’s a true believer.
Griff, you make me laugh every day. But it isn’t the teenager that we fear. It is powerful government entities that are allowing a teenager to guide them into establishing a world wide oligarchy with the power to suspend all rights for any reason, real or imagined.
Elderly white males have had a lifetime of listening to misguided teenagers such as you who think they know everything. They usually disappear into obscurity as quickly as they appear. As a result we find it vaguely amusing but are more worried about how they’ll cope with the fall from grace
Have you matched your energy use to renewables aka unreliables yet?
Wrong Griff.
It is only the left that cannot differentiate between someone who says something that they disagree with, and a threat.
Since you leftists react to everything on a purely emotional level, being ever guided by “feelings”, anything that makes you uncomfortable is perceived as at attack, and anyone who does not buy into your world view is seen as a threat.
Animals live lives governed 100% by the emotions they feel.
What differentiates human beings is the ability to use logic and information, and other so-called executive functions of the cerebral cortex, to override and hold in abeyance our emotions.
Rational human beings are not supposed to lurch through life exaggerating every feeling and random upset to an extreme degree.
Griff, I am one of those Older White Guys and have been heading in that direction for 59 years now. I certainly DON’T feel threatened by anyone who beclowns themselves in public by claiming to be able see an odorless colorless gas though I do feel sorry for them. I feel threatened by a movement that uses that type of individual as a saint in their Holy Cause and PERSECUTE any who would speak against them
I don’t know a single person who feels threatened by an ignorant, autistic, brainwashed teenager. But I am curious how, on a blog like this, you can determine who is elderly, much less white. As for male, I identify as non-Brandon. And my pronoun is Your Excellency. 🙂
Robert, my pronoun is, Your Majesty, and that twerp griff never addresses me by my preferred pronoun.
If griff keeps that up we’re going to have to kick griff out of the Woke Alarmists Club.**
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**Meets the second Wednesday of the month in griff’s mom’s basement. griff’s mom bakes cookies for us, but she’d cut him off in a heartbeat if she knew he was the cause of her high heating bills.
Play nice, griff, or we’ll rat you out to your mom.
Want to throw in a few comments about how challenging Greta is going to harm transgender 5 year olds as well?
Griff, seriously, go up to the manor of your Lord and sit at their feet for a while.
Hopefully you will get explained how that the best way to sway an argument is to isolate flaws and concentrate on them in such a way as to make your opponent feel they have reached the conclusion themselves.
Openly mocking them (“you have to laugh…” ) does very little to convert them to your side.
“But”, you say, “Ye who lives in the land of droughts and flooding rains, you yourself are mocking Greta!”
Yes.
I am.
One – she deserves to be mocked.
Two – I am not attempting to mock her to her face in an attempt to change her world view. I am mocking her to discredit her arguments – which isn’t that hard to be honest – in order to make people question her abilities. There is a subtle difference.
Three – if you ever thought I was a ‘really nice guy’ you really haven’t been paying attention.
Yes, this post is dumb. Edited to be misleading, and should be taken down, or at least posted with some disclaimer about it being more for entertainment than reality.
It’s all just good fun. She was speaking in the Third Person, meaning she was talking on behalf of us being climate deniers not believing in any ‘climate emergency’. It is just good clean fun and we can use that clip back on them, that not even Greta believes in any ‘climate emergency’. Which is probably true…no one sane on the good Earth could believe we are in some kind of a climate emergency.
Well there was a prominent disclaimer, but I agree. It looks like there is an edit. I got the impression of what her point was, even with the edit.
This doesn’t do us any good. Usually this is what the Left does.
I think sooner or later all blogs start pandering to their readers tastes, and their readers tastes invariably run to believing everything that meshes with their political beliefs.
To put it another way, people want to read what reinforces their beliefs whether their beliefs involve any objective truths or not. Science generally takes a back seat to belief systems.
Mr. Page: Mr. .1 is explaining how he is better than us, we just come here to confirm our biases but not him. Mr. Watts is just pandering to us and putting science in the backseat. To put it another way, he is deeply concerned that we are losing sight of objective truth to have a laugh at Greta. He expresses concern for us alot. He did just discover the site recently, unless he is using a fake name.
I’m not sure exactly what you mean, but just because I oppose something, the climate change agenda for instance, does mean I’m going to take everything that is said in opposition to it at face value. Everything deserves to be questioned, by which I mean everything.
Tom.1 – I happen to agree with you about the need to question everything, to dig for the truth despite the appalling amount of misinformation and lies being written and then regurgitated with confirmation bias. I was, however, writing just a little tongue in cheek with my post though. Don’t worry – I do have a healthy sense of humour about these things.
I disagree. We can, and mostly do, self-police pretty well on WUPT.
jeffery p
April 20, 2022 9:33 am
Is the video edited, or not? If it is, this post is below WUWT. I know it’s supposed to be in good fun, it’s easily misunderstood and misrepresented.
Americans spent 7+ years now playing these games with the media and former President Trump. (I’m counting the campaign, presidency and post-presidency to get 7+ years). The media edited what Trump said, deliberately misrepresented it and tried to push it down the throats of the public. No thank you.
Ridicule has its place and the climate hucksters and green fanatics say plenty of ridiculous things without having to resort to manufacturing anything.
Mr. p: A concern troll named Thomas said it was edited, but if I follow correctly it was not, it played the full quote (no, I will not watch it). After accusing WUWT of clipping the video, he appears to shift to claiming it was somehow out of context. Based on the fact that Tom.1 agreed with Thomas, and Tom.1 has let us know what he is, I conclude that it was not clipped.
It was clipped. A sentence was removed to give the impression that she said exactly the opposite of what she really said. I did not accuse WUWT of clipping the video, and I don’t think they did. But clearly someone did. If you watch the video closely, and compare it to the text, you can see that it was clipped.
If correcting the record is trolling, we are all in trouble. I have been highly skeptical of climate alarmism for decades. I am now thoroughly convinced that there is no scientific basis for climate alarmism, and no need at all for us to worry about human CO2 emissions. In fact, the good far outweighs the bad.
Posting videos like this only allows the alarmists to claim that we are spinning the truth, because that is exactly what the video does.
Sorry, but I can’t trust the transcript at MSNBC to be a word-for-word transcript of what was actually said. We’ve seen too many instances of transcripts being edited in a way that changes the meaning.
Not saying the transcript is distorted or altered, but I can’t trust it not to be.
“Sorry, but I can’t trust the transcript at MSNBC to be a word-for-word transcript of what was actually said.”
Very good point. We shouldn’t trust anything the Leftwing Media says, because they have political agendas. We should assume they are lying until proven otherwise.
That’s hilarious. I didn’t watch it either, but I thought I’d see what others had to say about it. Seems like a lot of people thought it was an inaccurate reflection of her comments.
👍👍👍👍 Yes. Let’s see the unedited video, jeffery p.
Nicholas McGinley
April 20, 2022 9:41 am
The real crisis for warmistas is that nothing unprecedented is happening, at all, anywhere.
They are running out of time to shove through whatever they can.
When food begins to run out because of harmful policies choices, and the prices spike up so high no one can stand it, and at the same time, it becomes clear it is getting colder, not warmer, how much clout will these charlatans have then?
One may think we are already seeing high prices, but not really. Not yet.
Not compared to what is coming.
It is likely too late to prevent a massive price spike as supplies of critical commodities is insufficient to meet demand.
If we have a bad crop year, if we have a cold autumn, if the war gets worse and not better, what many of us have been warning of will in fact occur.
We have so far been insulated by a large and general increase in prosperity from the effects of the warmista policies so far.
Recession, cooling global temps…these things are coming.
Time to get skinny, conserve money, identify what we can easily live without.
The time to get very noisy about what we know is coming as well.
“The real crisis for warmistas is that nothing unprecedented is happening, at all, anywhere.
They are running out of time to shove through whatever they can.”
That is correct. The alarmists are getting desperate and are getting more and more extreme in their climate crisis rhetoric. But circumstances/reality are working against them.
Mr. McGinley: Agreed, well said. Who says U.S. dems are incompetent? They have long called for us to sacrifice (they switch out the reason every now and then) and by Joe we’re gonna halfta sacrifice. Well, I’ve been meaning to lose a few pounds before beach season.
Major Meteor
April 20, 2022 9:42 am
This is as bad as saying Trump said the White Supremacists are very fine people. Don’t doctor videos. Don’t do what the other side routinely does.
But of course he never said that. What he said was there were SOME fine people on each side. The side he was praising were not White Supremacists. They were people who didn’t think statues that are part of our nations history should be torn down by the MOB.
Beagle
April 20, 2022 9:48 am
The last time I saw her respond to the question of what should be done, she responded with ‘I don’t know’ saying that wasn’t her job.
Everyone seems to be missing the big story here, regarding the intellect of those on the left:
We have an adult human being, a grown man, an information industry professional, asking with all seriousness, OF A CHILD, a little girl who is notable more than anything else for dropping out of middle school and for having emotional and learning disabilities,…asking her imploringly…what shall we do (to solve all of these huge challenges facing our world and our civilization)!
And then awaiting expectantly her answer.
This is how intellectually bereft these nitwits are.
They look to uneducated teens for answers.
Redge
April 20, 2022 10:20 am
ok, it was a slip of the tongue and is mildly amusing.
The thing that really made me laugh is the watermelons are trying to force their views on the rest of us, bypassing democracy and Greta states:
democracy is the most precious thing that we have
Rod Evans
April 20, 2022 10:51 am
“Let’s go Greta”! Climate crisis does not exist. At last some truth. Remember her favourite description of climate activism is it’s just so much blah, blah, blah, she is so right, maybe she is finally getting some education?
ResourceGuy
April 20, 2022 11:19 am
Maybe she could open up a side act as pronoun enforcer.
Well, also the fact that, when talking English, Swede’s have only a very light almost undetectable accent – I’ve noticed it with other Swedish people – the Muppets Swedish chef is not representative of a Swedish accent.
jim gillis
April 20, 2022 12:20 pm
Why on earth are you editing these videos? You just lost all credibility (with me) in about 30 seconds. Great job.
Danley Wolfe
April 20, 2022 12:35 pm
No science here… should just leave this somewhere in the blogosphere sky.
You can shove your climate crisis up your @#!*.. 😉
Louis Hunt
April 20, 2022 1:24 pm
I think Greta accidently makes a great point. You can’t ignore a real crisis. If your house was on fire, or you were starving for lack of food, or you are in Ukraine right now, could you ignore it and pretend there was no crisis? No you couldn’t because it would be staring you in the face. The fact that the climate crisis ‘doesn’t exist’ for the vast majority of people means it is not really a crisis. It is only a wannabe crisis, an empty scare tactic being exploited for political gain.
Cuyana
April 20, 2022 2:52 pm
I am NOT AT ALL a fan of “the Greta”; and, even less a fan of her child-abusing-exploiting parents and misc grifting handlers; and, to complete the trifecta, I am even less a fan of the anti-liberty globalists and their dishonest efforts … in using faux AGW as an excuse to put an end to fair-free market capitalism.
HOWEVER, it did catch my ear when, regarding suggestions for addressing this problem — as fake and politically motivated such as it is — she refused to advocate for unilateral action; where, rather, she expressed strong support for democracy, our most precious resource.
IMO, her enviro fanaticism is a long way from being palatable, but, her response suggests to me that there may be some hope; that, just maybe, given time, she may see the light — there is NO LIGHT with enviro-whacko authoritarianism — and come over to the good side.
I hope she may come to see the light. However, when she says that leaders of countries that don’t comply should be stood up against the wall and forced to tow the line, it doesn’t sound much like democracy to me, but more like fascism.
Tom in Florida
April 20, 2022 8:27 pm
Her words did not clearly express her thoughts, but her meaning was clear to me. If a “climate crisis” is not acknowledged no one will take action. That is true. She was not addressing whether there really is a climate crisis (she believes there is) but rather just stating that if no one believes it nothing will be done. Her words are more like “out of sight, out of mind”. Of course her solution will be to convince everyone that there really is a need for action.
Jumping on her misstatement as a Freudian slip is disingenuous and smacks of desperation.
And also, having the smart Jumpers spun till the end of days what she actually meant or not in that given answer of her, while in the same time the answer is a crystal clear;
The desperation is trying to find a major fault in such a minor misunderstood statement. She provides plenty of reasons to to be criticized so there is no need to reach for such a small thing. It cheapens the real issues with her.
If a “climate crisis” is not acknowledged no one will take action.
Since when is a crisis so invisible that people don’t acknowledge it? After 30 years of predicting that catastrophe is just around the corner, how is it that the climate crisis is still too invisible to see? At some point we have to conclude that the “crisis” isn’t real but was manufactured as the means to a political end.
The comment was not about what is real or not real. It is about what she is stating. And her stating that view doesn’t make it true, but it is her view.
I think it is closer to what she was saying, that when those warning of a climate crisis do not themselves BEHAVE as if there is indeed a crisis, then no one will take it seriously.
Everyone acknowledges having heard the warnings.
Her history suggests that she is more aware than most of the alarmistas that actions speak louder than words.
When they fly around the globe on private jets to have a huge days-long party/conference, the main point of which is to scream at the rest of the world to shrink their “carbon footprint”, they are not practicing what they preach, and if there is one thing most people are acutely aware of in others, it is hypocrisy.
In fact, many here have long been pointing out the same thing: Why should anyone take seriously a cry of alarm about a crisis, coming from people who do not themselves act at all as if they believe there is a crisis?
Excoriating her warmista fellow travelers on this general point is what she was doing when she adopting her now well-known scowl.
She is talking about exactly what was her reason for dropping out of school: She was sitting in a class and was told about the end of the world, and then the instructors would turn the page and start talking about what the next subject of discussion was.
She was mortified, because she immediately internalized the fear mongering and was shocked when it turned out to be just another subject…one that was brought up and then moved on from…like when Math class is over and History class starts.
If we think back, her whole thing was “How can we talk about anything else when the world is ending?”
Craig from Oz
April 20, 2022 8:50 pm
Missing the point here.
The Simps (seriously guys, stop White Knighting. She is not going to follow you on Twitter) here are desperate to prove she never really said ‘doesn’t exist’ or that if she did, what she meant to say was HOW DARE YOU HOW DARE YOU.
Not the point.
The point here is that she is annoyed that people are treating Climate Change(tm) as something that ‘doesn’t exist’ and many of those people are at the highest levels of global leadership.
What she is complaining about is that the masses have stopped caring and part of the blame is that the leaders have stopped offering it on the menu. Everyone needs to believe in unicorns or the magic doesn’t work.
Go back and listen to the entire answer. Greta clearly says that it is pointless for a leader to overrule democracy because EVERYONE has to agree and be wanting to work together.
She is not admitting the Global Warming(tm) doesn’t exist, she is admitting that only the minorities actually want to do something about it.
She is admitting – accidentally – she is a MINORITY and the majority of voters have other issues they regard as more important.
That is the point – Greta is admitting (accidentally) that her movement has failed and people are just getting on with their lives.
WR2
April 20, 2022 11:30 pm
How much is the little communist teenager profiting from her advocacy? I’d like to see some disclosures. These elitist leftists never seem to be economically impacted by the disastrous economic policies they advocate for.
John Fish
April 21, 2022 2:09 am
She’s making a hypothetical point – if this then that
English is not her first language.
I think this type of ‘story’ just makes climate alarm sceptics look as silly as the alarmists often do. It’s not worthy of any attention.
ozspeaksup
April 21, 2022 2:40 am
a brandon moment?
roflmao
Bruce Cobb
April 21, 2022 5:03 am
The doctored video shamelessly takes what she said out of context, but it is essentially trolling Greta. It is satire. It would take an extremely gormless oerson to not recognize it as such. She’s saying that world leaders, including Biden need to treat the “climate crisis” like a crisis, because otherwise, how are people going to know it’s a crisis and demand that more be done. That is circular reasoning on her part.
It is also laughably ironic and hypocritical that she says she supports democracy, while at the same time wanting Biden et al to run roughshod over democracy in their efforts to “save the planet”. Greta is a liar. She actually hates democracy.
Actually, I think it is more an example of her inability to reason clearly and her constant desire to be woke.
richard
April 21, 2022 6:32 am
Her time has come and gone. No one cares as they are all fighting to pay for the ever increasing fuel bills to stop them from freezing- a clue in there.
She was dropped like a hot rock when she showed up at the UN a few years back and screamed insults at her hosts for being hypocrites.
ptownpt
April 25, 2022 10:44 am
One day when if Greta ever acquires any self awareness, she will realize her persona was serially abused by her parents and other adult climate change cultists to become the poster child for their pseudoscientific cult. As a child Greta can be forgiven but not the adult cultists who serially gang raped her innocent image while high on their hubris of trying to tweak Mother Nature’s ancient cycle of natural climate variation.
Go Greta Brandon! You are getting Bidenitis
The video was edited.
Her full statement was,
Still, a little truth slips past her tongue.
Just jabber, not worth this post or spending any time on.
Do you interpret her statement NOT as HER opinion but as attributing the “Since the climate crisis ‘doesn’t exist’” part to the general public and/or the Climate “Skeptics?”
TEWS Pilot.
Yes, that is what she meant.
https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-greta-clip/fact-check-isolated-clip-of-greta-thunberg-saying-climate-change-does-not-exist-is-misleading-idUSL2N2O52US
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/23/fact-check-doctored-video-greta-thunberg-changes-her-meaning/5323780001/
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jun/22/instagram-posts/manipulated-video-distorts-greta-thunbergs-comment/
etc.
The video should be tagged as fake.
…or at least “misleading.” She did a poor job of conveying her actual message.
It’s discouraging to get down-voted on this site for communicating the truth about something. There is no climate crisis, obviously, but using doctored videos to make a fake point, doesn’t help us spread the truth about that fact.
Which is never, ever done to discredit climate sceptics.
It’s a giggle, a joke, that a silly little girl is presented as a credible source of information on a subject that credentialed scientists can’t agree on.
Exactly! The very idea that an autistic teenager is used to carry the brand of a pseudo science pretending not to be 100% political is ridiculous and shows the absolute intellectual bankruptcy of those who howl at the moon and cry “Climate Crisis”, where there is NONE!
How long has Greta been giving interviews? How many hundreds of interviews over how many years? If she hasn’t learned to avoid the obvious problem areas then perhaps she’d be better off staying off the damn tv and going back to school – she’ll need all the help she can get.
I agree with that. She seems to be a victim of her handlers.
That’s actually the real story. Who cares what Greta really meant? Her relevance is a media creation. The important piece is that every “fact-checking” agency on the left rushed in to prop her up.
Without the media, she’s just a teenage high school dropout whose hot takes on the weather are every bit as relevant to the world of science as any other child’s.
Sure there’s the politics, but the video was doctored. Important information was left out. WUWT should be above such click-bait BS, and it should certainly be corrected when it’s discovered.
Point taken. I don’t help matters myself, not being a scientist. I sometimes worry that WUWT intersects too strongly with the far-right takes out there. I almost deleted my bookmark when the site recently posted the old report about 2020 election fraud. I guess the “science” on the 2020 election is hardly settled, either, but I’m not sure what that has to do with anything other than the political climate.
Elections always have consequences. Fraudulent elections always have bad consequences. Skyrocketing fuel prices and fertilizer shortages among them.
writing observer
The real crisis, left untreated.
The Biden’s crisis.
cheers
Biden lap top: totally Russian misinformation. All of the Marxist media and social media censoring news about the lap top until after the election: nothing to see here, move along. Polls that show that if they had known the facts about the lap top, 17% of Biden voters would not have voted for him: what difference does it make now? Wisconsin Government investigation showing that in rest homes,100% of residents voted, including those who can’t even remember their own name: just “right wing talking points” (sic).
Sure. The laptop censorship was election interference. But why would WUWT post about it or about impossible-to-prove theories about election fraud? Why not leave the right-wing rabbit holes for other sites?
If I try to explain the holes in the theories that wind can replace fossil fuel use or batteries can make us independent of China and Russia, I get accused of being Tucker Carlson’s crony. If I quote something here, a friend or acquaintance follows the link and sees the election fraud post, he’s not going to bother to read the climate post.
Getting away from Chicken Littleism should be a bipartisan thing. Now it gets dismissed as right-wing. Scientific exploration should not be partisan.
So, you have friends that <i>might</i> be smart enough to realize that Climageddon is a fraud – but not smart enough to realize that the current occupant of the White House is a fraud.
Might be time to think about an upgrade to your circle of friends.
I don’t know. Aren’t all politicians by definition frauds?
Trump is not a fraud. He is the genuine article.
Trump is not a politician, he’s a businessman.
All politicians are not, by definition, frauds.
90% of them are unnecessary, it doesn’t make them fraudulent.
Joe,
I am going to go out on a limb here and say that you politically identify as a Centralist.
You use the phrase ‘far-right’ unironically yet do not seem to subscribe to the ‘Everything Would Be Better if only everyone would Do As They Are Told’ group mindset of the Left.
You also show signs of the ‘why can’t we all just sit down and discuss it?’ mind set and trust in the process of allowing everyone their fair say in an open debate.
So… Centralist?
The thing with a Centralist mind set is the open trust that people aren’t lying to you. You have implied that you dismiss the evidence of election fraud more or less because you don’t believe someone would do something as un-ethical as to deliberately corrupt the process of democracy.
Spoiler? There is proof. Your Nation of cause Varies, but in my part of the world preventing scrutineers from observing a vote count in some of the ways clearly documented would be enough to have an election ruled invalid on the simple suspicious that corruption COULD have happened.
You should also note that the line is you can’t ‘Prove’ there was corruption. Lack of proof does not automatically mean innocence, it means lack of proof, and if you are discussing the a subject where it is in one (or both) party’s interest to delay ‘proof’ then ‘Lack of Proof’ is almost shorthand for ‘cover up’.
So why is discussion about possible election corruption completely valid on a site that discusses the implications of ‘Global Warming(tm)’ and ‘Climate Emergency(tm)’?
‘Global Warming(tm)’ isn’t just about planting a few more trees and turning lights off when you leave a room. It is a billion dollar business that requires support at the top levels. It is a global political movement that openly discusses things like ‘The New Normal’, ‘Build Back Better’ and whatever bollocks AOC was talking about. It has MASSIVE implications.
I honestly, based on the evidence you have provided, believe you are a centralist. You still believe in the honesty and selflessness of your fellows.
This is all fascinating. I haven’t been the subject of neg-bombs here before, so it’s a new experience. That’s fine. Helps me understand a little better exactly what people feel comfortable with here. That’s not meant as a slam.
So… hard to define, huh? I hate the idea of joining any group that would have me, to borrow, what was it, Groucho Marx’s line? I hope that doesn’t make me a Marxist.
I try not to believe in anything. Hence my skepticism about the gods of global warming, etc. I really enjoyed Steven Koonin’s book for its tone as well as the fact that it seemed aimed at non-experts like myself.
I tried to explain why I was disappointed that WUWT went in the election direction. But it’s entirely possible that those who run this site want to branch out that way. Don’t we have too many places on the internet where red v. blue is the be-all and end-all?
But as to your point. The election won’t be overturned. Biden is our president, like it or not. Until January 2025, if we want to stave off this speedmarch toward energy insecurity, we have to convince the blue-staters. So why repel them?
No Joe, again. Biden will most certainly be gone before November, as the plan was always to have Kamala be able to have two years after Biden resigns before the midterms and then win 2 more full terms. Now that ain’t gonna happen, except maybe Joe gets the 25th for being an old demented criminal white man and banished in shame from politics.
Theoretically, if Biden doesn’t resign or get the 25th, Donald J Trump could be appointed the Speaker of the House in time for the Inauguration, Joe Biden could drop dead of a heart attack while giving his speech, and Kamala Harris could slip on a banana peel at the swearing in and break her neck and be permanently out of breath, and the Speaker of the House becomes President. Now that would be sweet justice. And rectify a historical wrong that now has given probability to the Democrats completely trashing the United States of America.
If it was only the fact that Zuckerberg spent multi millions to virtually purchase the staff of polling stations in key areas, so that only activist Democrats were hired, it would have been a rigged election it was that alone which made it possible to allow all the voting irregularities.
Trump is not going to be elected Speaker of the House. I doubt most Republicans in Congress would go for that.
I think a majority of House Republicans would vote for Trump for Speaker of the House, if Trump wanted to be the Speaker, but Trump says he doesn’t want to be Speaker.
Trump says he isn’t interested in being Speaker of the House.
Brandon is not President, he’s just a shell the people with the real power prop up in front of the cameras.
If anyone asks, hi NSA, I’m a minarchist leaning toward anarcho-capitalist. Not really important on this site (or almost any site)
Sounds cool! Wanna be president?
“The laptop censorship was election interference. But why would WUWT post about it or about impossible-to-prove theories about election fraud?”
What do you mean “impossible to prove”? It should be obvious to anyonw who looks at the issue fairly that massive election fraud took place during the 2020 elections.
The only thing we don’t know for sure is who those who cast fraudulent votes voter for.
There is no doubt there was massive voter fraud during the 2020 election. And it is very easy to prove, just look at the figures.
As luck would have it, WUWT isn’t a climate blog.
I think everybody here would agree with that statement, but the reality of our times is that the Left is strongly allie3d with the climate change crowd and run a very comprehensive and relentless disinformation campaign to obscure their alliance while attacking logic and real science on all fronts. Fairly inevitable that it spills over onto a site like this.
Whoa….you just said the 2020 election wasn’t rigged and a fraud? What do you call the suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop scandal when polls show that if that truth about it being real had been out there, many a Democrat said that would have changed their vote to Republican?
That story was not only repressed by Twitter and FB, & Google et al, but by almost all other MSM out there. And suppressed by the FBI, and still is to a certain degree. Not to mention various States voting laws being changed for Covid. And the water main break in Atlanta but turned out to be a simple toilet overflow, so they could send everyone home and stuff ballots half the night.
Get real Joe. Most people know the 2020 election was rigged. Some say couldn’t have happened to a better guy, but still it was a stolen election and then after all that lying and cheating, they stole it only by a whisker in a handful of counties, in a handful of States.
Leftists fully believed the fake russia collusion hoax somehow was election interference, but when confronted with real, verifiable interference, ie suppressing speech and inconvenient facts, they pretend like it’s a conspiracy theory. I don’t know how we as a republic can continue if we can’t even have honest political discourse anymore.
“I don’t know how we as a republic can continue if we can’t even have honest political discourse anymore.”
We can’t have a successful republic if we have a lying leftwing Media feeding us all our information and that’s just what we have today.
We are in great danger of being lied into slavery.
I hear both Putin and Trump also sometimes worry that WUWT intersects too strongly with the far-right takes out there, just as you do. Maybe delete the bookmark? Either of you three changing your minds on the matter is, of course, also fine.
The political climate has everything to do with alarmist climate change. Politics is certainly relevant to alarmist climate change. We couldn’t discuss alarmist climate change in today’s political atmosphere without discussing the politics involved.
I’m reading the last couple of hours of comments on this… oh, my. Can’t do anything but laugh.
But this doesn’t end well for skeptics of “settled” science if the site-runners themselves only want Republicans reading. It’s a trust issue. No politician is worth trusting, on either side.
Where does it say this?
I have been reading, and commenting, here for over 10 years. Maybe starting around 2009, once I was examining “global warming” and stumbled across the “surfacestations” website.
Back then, and for years, readers were probably mostly “liberals,” inclined to vote Democrat, as many college and higher educated people tend to be.
I was one of the first to begin pointing out that “Democrats” were no longer Democrats, but were Communists.
I believe, all ,except me – I am the Last Democrat.
“Liberals,” “Democrats,” and “Progressives” are very different terms now from 30 years ago.
The readership has shifted. Many in the general political middle may still be there, and maybe are more anti-Democrat than 20 years ago, and there are many conservative readers now here who have figured out that the Global Warming scam is largely promoted by Communists, and some are aware that the “Unparty” and “RINOs” are also in on the action.
So, there was very little Dem-Repub political overtone from 2009 through maybe 2012, but that has shifted here.
More conservatives have grown to see the Climate issue as just yet another Communist avenue of action, albeit one where Big Business and Big Investors and Political Establishment are happy to ride along, out of self-interest.
Define “far right” please.
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The far right is whatever is exactly one em-space to the right of me. And the far left is whatever is exactly one en-space to the left of me.
In this balkanized cyberspace we now call the public square, it seems no longer possible to hold anything but a shallow and narrow set of opinions. J.K. Rowling has outdone herself with her recent commentary about Pavel in the former Czechoslovakia.
Point being, if WUWT allows itself to be defined in this manner, it will be dismissed in the same manner. And that’s a shame, because this particular story needs to be told.
The world doesn’t revolve around you Joe, or your concept of Right and Left to tell what us here at WUWT what we discuss amongst ourselves in thread tangents that aren’t part of any current WUWT editorial content in this article about Greta.
Similarly, the issue of climate is a Left/Right issue to some significant degree (no pun intended) as it is being used by the Left for a total different political purpose than understanding climate science. They are using it for wealth distribution and cronyism rewarding their political interests that will assist in furthering the Leftist agenda. Including shutting down fossil fuel use, even for the 7000 products that we use from that.
So this discussion about right wing and left wing, and stolen elections is absolutely crucial to understanding what happened, and what direction we are headed if we ignore politics. I find your arguments immature and completely without merit, given that politics is embedded in everything that happens. And with the narrowest of margins on how the 2020 election went, any election irregularities were very much in favor of the Democrats just upon all the previous evidence like the Hunter Biden laptop, or the Russian collusion BS that went on for years, amongst many other things that went on. I don’t think you really get it yet. Or you don’t want to. Especially given how few votes separated the Biden ‘win’ from the Trump loss. History will not be kind to your line of thought.
History is defined by those who write the history books. Seemingly, the Democrats these days. However, the “history will not be kind…” line is absolutely a weapon of false consensus, much like the government’s infamous “97%” baloney.
I agree with you that those in power in the EU and the US are using the issue to secure control, formulate some variation of authoritarianism where they’re richly rewarded at the expense of the middle class. I don’t think they particularly care about or understand why oil is necessary – if they’re hit by surprise, as the elite they can always get these products from Russia or China.
Where we disagree is tactics. Preaching to the choir might feel more virtuous, but what’s your goal here? I don’t particularly like how the election turned out, earlier, but the biggest effect was because Trump had to have his tantrum, the Georgia Senate races flipped. Those two seats should have remained in Republican hands, and that would have limited the damage from Biden’s heel turn to the left.
If you’re Republican, you should love it every time someone on the left says Gore won in 2000, and there’s reams of evidence. Because that is not a winning argument with moderates. It just isn’t. Now, I’m kind of a deep-dive person when it comes to statistics and I’m very familiar with politics in Michigan. So when we saw the cardboard on the windows in Detroit, it got my attention. I looked at the whole state, district by district. In the suburbs, city after city, Trump badly underperformed his 2016 results. That’s why he lost Michigan. Maybe there were shenanigans in Detroit, but he lost Michigan by 2.8% and the polls were dead on. It simply strains credulity to claim that we know 150,000 votes were manufactured, when what happened to Hillary in 2016 was that Detroit didn’t come out for her as expected and it returned more to normal in 2020. However, Trump lost Michigan in those suburbs – 5,000, maybe 10,000, I’d wonder. But not 150,000.
So he’d need three of the other four that get questioned – Pennsylvania, Georgia, Wisconsin and Arizona. I don’t have the depth of knowledge of those states as I have with Michigan, but that’s a lot to assert. The better course of action is to point out the flaws and push for voter ID, ballot security.
However… the bottom line is that people outside your bubble aren’t going to take WUWT seriously if they see assertions that the election was stolen when the entire point of the site is that this same type of assertion about climate change is causing enormous harm. It feels odd – I worry that I can’t take what I read here as seriously because the moderator is OK with this tactic in the end.
Seth Keshel—look him up if you dare.
That’s a mighty sharp point you inhabit, gotta hurt.
Please describe “the far-right”.
This is pretty much a free speech site. Better to engage in discussion around facts than quit altogether if you don’t agree with something.
Dang. Here I am wearing my “I don’t care” underwear.
Doesn’t matter in the least. Take the whole thing – what she is saying is that a crisis only exists if the holy government says it does. And that if the holy government does say it, then it is a crisis.
One can find many, many crises that have been and are being ignored by government. And many that were not crises, but were created out of whole cloth by government.
Except its the first time she’s been correct about anything to do with climate
Don’t take that away from her !
I downvoted you because, among other things, YOU missed the entire context of the post. Is is titled: “HUMOR … Hump Day Hilarity“
I admire mind readers so much…….
I think the more salient point is that to Gretta it isn’t important whether a Climate Crisis exists or not. It is far more important to have voters believe that it exists.
Sounds more like religion. If the congregation is dwindling, there’s less jingle in the plate as its passed along.
Are there not many realms other than religion wherein it is important that the voters/people believe something exists/is really happening/etc., in order for elected officials to act effectively? Indeed, pretty much all?
(It seems to me many atheists believe their “disbelief” renders them free of bias, as if by magic ; )
Exactly what I heard in the Video sooo not sure of your point Thomas
What she meant to say was
Well, how can you expect support and pressure from voters if you aren’t treating the crisis like a crisis. If it appears that the climate crisis ‘doesn’t exist’, how can we expect people to want climate action?
Despite being a small word if has a very strong impact on the meaning of a sentence. There are certain things in English which aren’t common in other European languages. A classic example is the song Fernando by ABBA with these lines
Now we’re old and grey Fernando
And since many years I haven’t seen a rifle in your hand
A native would say And for many years I’ve never seen a rifle in your hands or similar. Another example is age and elapsed time where the French say I have x years or I have been doing it since 14 years
So we all know what she meant to say just that speaking in a foriegn tongue a direct translation and tense don’t always help. French has many false friends, possibly English does for Swedes
Good points Ben, but it’s even simpler than that. If they had included the full statement, no native English speaker would have thought she was saying what the doctored video has her saying.
it was only doctored by repeating over and over her last line at the end. Nothing was omitted, was it not? Liberal media hammered Trump for 4 years for imprecise wording…she is now a political figure, she, just like Biden’s incoherent stammering, and Harris’ word salad, is fair game.
English has a very high tolerance for mistakes of the type you describe – possibly because it is so common to hear non-native speakers use the language.
Although it is possible to work out what she is trying to say it is still amusing. And revealing that the whole movement is based on, step one: get people to panic.
Carville says “we” need fear so people will obey government, or something like that. They are pretty open about it sometimes
I agree people on the right of the political aisle should never lower themselves to leftist tactics. We do not need to manipulate video for propaganda purposes. We just need to focus on the truth to discredit a brainwashed adolescent teen with a mental disorder.
How exactly do you know there were quotation marks in her statement?
You don’t need the quotation marks, only the preceding sentence is required to understand what she meant.
Don’t edit the data. That’s not how you do science and look what it’s done to us.
Totally Fracking Fantastic
And my pronouns are: master, my lord and your honour.
For whatever reason it reminds me of:
G’Day Bob,
Then there’s the computer nerds who confuse Halloween and Christmas. (Oct 31 and Dec 25)
Oops!
She gets waaaaay too much screen time.
Somewhere between her mid 20s and mid 30s all that attention, fame, and pressure will snap back at her ten times as hard. It’s going to be rough for her.
Being the face of the new climate generation will eventually backfire.
She should get a boyfriend and stop hectoring us.
The climate crisis doesn’t exist.. !
Wow, she got something correct.. probably for the first time.
Well done, Greta !
When persons with Asperger (now high-function Autism) get focused in a good direction, they are very productive, like Mozart, Darwin, Newton, Jobs, and one of my favorites Susan Boyle. When persons with Asperger go off on a tangent they do crazy things. The sad part is that Greta could be helped if her parents, and others, weren’t exploiting her.
I’m sure the damage control team is hard at work. 😉
Sure…just read Thomas’s comment above
It is doctored to make it appear that she was making a point different than the one she actually intended. It is obvious that there is no climate crisis, but doctored videos like this just give fodder to the alarmists’ cause.
And it appears to me that she ACTUALLY made a point she didn’t intend to. The LEFT should drop her as poster child, she is as ineffective as Brandon
She’s brutally effective. Otherwise, she would not have access to world leaders. She is the messenger, not the message.
What matters is her delivery and her subservience to her handlers – no one even listens to the words themselves.
She is literally a tool
I could not understand what she said. Can someone clarify?
Main line…
a complete clear rejection and refusal to touch and be involved, directly or indirectly, with a highly “toxic” package… regardless where there is or not a climate crisis to consider.
Simply put:
“No, thank you very much for offering, but am not touching that “toxic thingy” there.
Cheers
Judy Woodruff will undoubtedly be playing that clip on the PBS News Hour tonight.
/sarc
She’s lost her childlike appeal, sadly
paedo….
She never had any appeal.
don’t confuse childlike and childish 🙂
Most likely from a lack of education…The most important knowledge is meted out on Fridays
Democracy is the most precious thing we have.
Sadly she’s still out of touch with reality – certainly in the UK. What we have is an illusion of democracy; being allowed to rearrange the deckchairs every so often, but there UK feudal democracy ends. No power of recall, no power of anything whatsoever. Just rearranging the chairs.
Post-covid Parliament will be implementing Net Zero without any democratic consultation, doing everything it can to avoid it, You know the MO; far-right deniers etc
I wonder why she said it, she’s been well schooled on what to say for some time. And more importantly, has she been sent to her room without supper?
Personal freedom is the most precious thing we have. Unfettered democracy would destroy that.
Is that what you think of the Swiss model?
The UK has a mediaeval museum piece that needs dragging into the 21st century. Giving people more democratic rights will not affect the individual beyond giving them, er, more rights. Were you thinking of the US? That would make sense.
The Swiss Democracy Model is okay. We have similar direct democracy here in California, but the people are so uninformed that they usually get it wrong. Like when they retroactively increased my taxes to fund schools, but all the money actually went to shore up teacher’s pensions.
But direct democracy works only if you have a constitution with strong protections for the rights of individuals. Otherwise, the majority will take those rights away. See tyranny of the majority.
California is a mess, politically. It is essentially a single party state and only a few short steps away from tyranny. But I hope people will remember, the USA is not a democracy. It is a constitutional republic. There is a difference.
People who say “democratic” a lot usually are advocating some form of
tyranny or don’t realize how dangerous & unstable it is. Many have
heard of Socrates but few realize it was, as Thomas said, the “tyranny of
the majority” that forced him to drink hemlock. Dangerous stuff!
People who say “democratic” a lot usually are advocating some form of
tyranny or don’t realize how dangerous & unstable it is. Many have
heard of Socrates but few realize it was, as Thomas said, the “tyranny of
the majority” that forced him to drink hemlock. Young people are
attracted to the word “democratic” never realizing it’s dangerous stuff!
They have reinvented the word “democracy” just as they reinvented “racism” and “fascist”.
When the power of leftists is under threat, they warn of threats to “democracy”.
The US
Just as I thought
No, California.
I don’t believe she said that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HURRAY, HURRAY, HURRAY. Has she come to her senses now she is a little older ????? OR WAS IT A LIE ALL ALONG ??????
She was apparently looking through the HAZE of heavy CO2 in the room and misread her teleprompter
Charles, the video has been edited. What she actually said was,
This video should be tagged as fake.
Give it up.
The video clearly shows her saying the full statement, exactly as you quote it here. look at it again.
It is only after the full quote that the “fun” edit stuff begins. What is important to note, the “fun” edits aside, is that the full quote was, in fact, shown in full.
It was taken out of context. She clearly did not mean that the climate crisis doesn’t exist … although she would have been correct if she had meant that.
The problem is that you cannot hear inverted commas in speech. That’s why people often use finger inverted commas, usually unnecessary. Non-native English speakers, quite often native speakers too, don’t always realise when they’ve dropped a clanger. This was one of those cases
Well put, Ben. We know what she meant, but what Greta said is not what she meant.
That is what is so funny.
If it was a casual conversation, a listener could say “What?!? There’s no climate crisis?” and Greta could back up and have another go at it.
You all aren’t getting it. She said,
The first sentence quoted above, was not in the video. Reading them together it’s clear that she did not mean to say there was no crisis. She’s wrong about that, but the video misrepresents what she said. It’s funny, but it’s a blatant misrepresentation.
“well, how can you expect support and pressure from voters if you aren’t treating the crisis like a crisis.”
Yes, in a way, this is even worse than the second sentence., and applies to ALL those who fly private jets and huge yachts and plastic hulled catamarans to Climate conferences.
She is telling the world that she knows there is no climate crisis, because none of those doing all the yelling about climate are doing anything.. not even herself.
She began opposing The Team™’s using dictatorial powers to ram through their agenda
regardless of the will of the people. Greta says emphatically that “democracy is the most
precious thing that we have & we must not risk that”. To her, it’s wrong to act against the
will of the people! So when she says “the climate crisis ‘doesn’t exist’” she should have
added “in the minds (& possibly hearts) of the people” to add clarity. That’s my take.
It’s even more clear when you see the entire statement (above).
When the will of the people would act to remove someone’s inalienable rights, without due process, it is right, not wrong, to act against that will. When alarmists seek to censor skeptics, they may be acting in alignment with the will of the people (or maybe not, I don’t know) but in America censoring people is illegal. One does not need to be a political scientists to understand that censoring is wrong. It’s basic human manners. Try telling everyone you meet to shut the hell up, and see how many friends you make.
Yes, she is saying that not even those that are yelling and screaming about “climate”, actually believe there is a climate crisis.
Because there isn’t one. !
She knows its all virtue-seeking nonsense.
Gee, I didn’t “hear” air-quotes in her uninflected voice, Thomas
Can you “hear” air-quotes just like Greta can “see” carbon dioxide?
There’s no indication in the audio that she was attempting satire
Take her at her word -literally
Again, you need to read the full statement, which was censored from the video.
[I removed the quotes around, “doesn’t exist.” Clearly they were not in the spoken version.]
How did she say ‘Doesn’t exist’ in inverted commas?
Thomas could hear the inverted commas. Me? Not so much, and I had my hearing aids cranked up to 11.
No Thomas. The video clearly showed the question and Greta’s rambling response.
Then, to mock her, they looped the words.
How can you claim that what she actually said was different when when you quote is EXACTLY what she is shown to be saying in the video.
There is clearly enough on display in that video that the original context and words are STILL THERE.
Give it up. She is not going to start following you on Twitter.
Whilst I agree with the point, this is a faked edit surely?
As noted above by several commenters, what she was referring to is the perception among many that there is no climate crisis.
And she is correct, most people are not fooled, at least not for long, by cries of doom repeated ad nauseum.
A brilliant answer, to a cheap nasty and poisonous question.
cheers
I agree, the question was poisonous and her response was well framed, except that there is no climate crisis, so it’s also wrong.
The main and only theme of her answer was a plain clear rejection of a possible hypothetical offer… as implied by the question.
The main object matter of the question… President Biden… and not climate crisis perse.
Really? You know her personally, do you? Know her that well that you ‘know’ what she’s thinking? Or are you trying to tell the world that you’re telepathic one step at a time? Stop being a complete moron all the time, just give it a rest will you?
Richard Page
Man, I do not need to know her… personally or otherwise.
It is plainly clear from her answer.
She says no, to advice President Biden… because of democracy.
That is the answer, clear and sound.
I am not interpreting or assuming here… just stating the obvious.
It is plainly a clear, as clear as it could be, refutation..
“NO” … advice to be offered.
And served brilliantly.
And a “No” is a No, and it will still mean a ‘No’, regardless of any thing else.
Doubt though, very much, you could have answered in such a way that question, under same condition.
Maybe you can learn one or two things there.
cheers
Point being that I’m not stupid enough to put myself in a situation requiring me to answer questions in public. Thank you for answering those few short questions, whiten.
Envy is inherited, not acquired.
It does not come via visitation… already always it resides within!
cheers
A cheap nasty and poisonous question?
SERIOUSLY? She is being worshiped on MSNBC and the question was basically “Oh Mighty Greta! What should these poor inferior leaders be doing in a perfect world where you were the one really in charge? Share with us your wisdom so we can shame World Leaders into doing more to combat the evils of CO2”
That is cheap nasty and poisonous?
It is so fluffy I wouldn’t be surprised if it wasn’t pre-agreed. Greta DOES have an answer prepared and, arguing over ‘doesn’t exist’ notwithstanding, is clearly thought out.
Seriously, a real cheap and nasty question would be “Greta, you never completed high school and have been called a selfish egotistical cow who has exploited her so call ‘childish innocence’ to live a lifestyle not even the western middle class could dream of. So how do you still believe you can act as a role model to slave wage child miners in 4th world countries?”
I mean I think we can all agree THAT is a nasty question. Calls her intelligence into question. Questions the purity of her motives. Draws attention to her very comfortable lifestyle (hey, how many of us have sailed across the Atlantic in a yacht none of us could afford?), implies her ‘Green’ future is actually exploiting children and leaves any possible answer open to deliberate misquoting.
If you honestly think that the question asked was nasty you need to get out more.
Craig from Oz
All your argument above proves that actually the question was a cheap one.
And yet, still a cheap question can be nasty and poisonous too.
The nastiness of that question stands on the attempt of the anti Trump MSM komisariat to have Greta follow-support their line and narrative in the proposition of Biden.
By simply publicly pressurizing her to accept that position.
Questions like that are poisonous because of the blunt devious attempt to directly shamelessly compromise the actual taken position of a given person, in a given matter… especially when politics at large are involved.
It is not the first time that happens with Greta and the poisonous MSM.
Already once before Greta rejected and refused a same offer from the MSM.
Then it regarded President Trump. (remember!)
And then the rejection was not because of democracy, per the explanation given then.
No problem with democracy then, for Greta to get involved towards President Trump then… on the climate subject.
But still, then, Greta clearly and categorically refused the MSM offer… and stud true to it.
For a second time, Greta has slapped publicly the poisonous MSM, by refuting again their offer and request.
An MSM which lately has gone full Bidenrati.
Hope you get the point explained here.
Well, still I respect your opinion. 🙂
cheers
Just what is the climate emergency anyway? Are the oceans boiling…sea levels flooding New York City? And not just Tropical Storm Sandy. Not even any of those Pacific Islands have sunk beneath the waves.
I heard all the claims the last 30 years, but I haven’t seen evidence of any climate emergency. Greta must finally be correct this time.
I’m not convinced that she believes the climate crisis doesn’t exist.
Given that English is not her first language, misstatements in another language are much easier to come by. It could be that she meant that the climate crisis doesn’t exist to many voters.
Perhaps that’s reading too much into her statement, but it would be consistent with what she’s done and said so far.
I’m not suggesting that a climate crisis does exist, just that perhaps this is not the gotcha moment that it’s purported to be.
Jim, You’re correct. The video was doctored. See above.
Thomas
That answer from Greta is a type of answer, that no matter how much one will attempt to doctor it or misinterpret it, still it remains the same in the end.
Where the context still holding clearly the same original intent and meaning.
With so little she said so much… with clarity and potential.
cheers
It was just a slip of the tongue. It says that in the title and again below the video.
Yes Jim that was my take..
i.e. She’s trying to say that ‘folks’ =me you everyone. apart from her (in her abused & brainwashed state) and the scientists don’t know about the crisis or esp how big a crisis it is.
She’s still an absolute peach because by saying as much, she is so totally slagging off the scientists and the government and obviously by name: Brandon
iow: The crisis has failed because our leaders have failed.
Doesn’t that just open a can of worms, esp when you recall that ‘If a politicians lips are moving, he’s lying
Anyway. If you, anyone, ever gets into the acquaintance of Autistic Spectrum Disordered People, the first thing you’ll notice is that they are ‘a bit odd/different‘
For many folks, that’s all they want to know, will make some ugly comment and then walk away without further ado.
The Very Definition of Racism
If you persist, allow them their ‘difference,’ and are willing to educate yourself, The Very Next Thing you discover is their quite incredible and dis-arming honesty.
And compared to The Rest Of Modern Society, that is the most amazing breath of fresh air you’ll find anywhere…
Many people can’t handle it – hence we saw Trump Derangement Syndrome
Now you understand why Mr Trump was required to do a mental health test?
He was always scrupulously honest – to point of being ‘a bit brutal’
It was in fact very simple why Mr Trump was ‘different‘ and is what I rave about endlessly – Mr Trump was/is T-Total
I ain’t calling for all out prohibition, just prohibition for all our leaders, scientists & teachers, police and folks who have any contact with children.
The Perfect Example:
BBC Headline:“No 10 parties: PM’s lockdown fine constitutional crisis, says historian
We actually have and for the first time ever, a Prime Minister in trouble with the police, because he was drunk
Yes there is a crisis Greta, but one you’ll never really understand because and, probably the 3rd thing anyone will learn about ASD people is that they very rarely drink alcohol
btw. Its Wednesday (humpday) today. Not Monday
I’ll say no more
Given the song she sang at Glasgow; “You can shove your climate crisis up your arse” then this comment saying “climate change… doesn’t exist” seems entirely consistent. What exactly was your point again?
I’m happy to brag that was the first time I’ve ever heard her speak.
We used to bemoan the fallacy of the appeal to authority.
Greta embodies the appeal to non-authorities.
elderly white males feel threatened by Swedish teenager… you have to laugh…
griff
Gave you a plus there, but still, stop trying a pull a “Greta”.
You still have a corruptible character, in comparison…
At least per in your own public presentation acting.
cheers
I think the griff is sincere.
Misguided, ill-informed, idealogical and close-minded, sure. But yeah, I think he mostly means what he says. He plays too many (failed) gotchas but otherwise he’s a true believer.
I firmly agree with you about griff’s sincerity, but do not think griff as a true believer, of anything, though.
cheers
Griff, you make me laugh every day. But it isn’t the teenager that we fear. It is powerful government entities that are allowing a teenager to guide them into establishing a world wide oligarchy with the power to suspend all rights for any reason, real or imagined.
Elderly white males have had a lifetime of listening to misguided teenagers such as you who think they know everything. They usually disappear into obscurity as quickly as they appear. As a result we find it vaguely amusing but are more worried about how they’ll cope with the fall from grace
Have you matched your energy use to renewables aka unreliables yet?
You don’t know anything about me, griffo. Get outa here with your hate crimes.
Wrong Griff.
It is only the left that cannot differentiate between someone who says something that they disagree with, and a threat.
Since you leftists react to everything on a purely emotional level, being ever guided by “feelings”, anything that makes you uncomfortable is perceived as at attack, and anyone who does not buy into your world view is seen as a threat.
Animals live lives governed 100% by the emotions they feel.
What differentiates human beings is the ability to use logic and information, and other so-called executive functions of the cerebral cortex, to override and hold in abeyance our emotions.
Rational human beings are not supposed to lurch through life exaggerating every feeling and random upset to an extreme degree.
“elderly white males”
HOW DARE YOU assume our genders! 😮 😮 😮
And a little ageism thrown in there for good measure…
We are Well Experienced, Non Bidenary individuals
H/T to TWES
Griff, I am one of those Older White Guys and have been heading in that direction for 59 years now. I certainly DON’T feel threatened by anyone who beclowns themselves in public by claiming to be able see an odorless colorless gas though I do feel sorry for them. I feel threatened by a movement that uses that type of individual as a saint in their Holy Cause and PERSECUTE any who would speak against them
I don’t know a single person who feels threatened by an ignorant, autistic, brainwashed teenager. But I am curious how, on a blog like this, you can determine who is elderly, much less white. As for male, I identify as non-Brandon. And my pronoun is Your Excellency. 🙂
Robert, my pronoun is, Your Majesty, and that twerp griff never addresses me by my preferred pronoun.
If griff keeps that up we’re going to have to kick griff out of the Woke Alarmists Club.**
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**Meets the second Wednesday of the month in griff’s mom’s basement. griff’s mom bakes cookies for us, but she’d cut him off in a heartbeat if she knew he was the cause of her high heating bills.
Play nice, griff, or we’ll rat you out to your mom.
My pronouns are “bruh” and “bros”.
“Your Excellency” is how Trump said the Taliban leader addressed him.
Subseqeuntly, Trump wondered if the Taliban leader had ever addressed Biden as “Your Excellency”. Trump concluded that he had not.
racist much ?
Some people do feel threatened by clowns… are you one of those, griff?
griff always does misunderstand.
Laughing at someone, does not mean you are threatened by them. !
Just as we all think you are nothing but a village idiot, or more, just comedic input, certainly zero threat except to yourself.
Griff plays the racism and sexism card.
Want to throw in a few comments about how challenging Greta is going to harm transgender 5 year olds as well?
Griff, seriously, go up to the manor of your Lord and sit at their feet for a while.
Hopefully you will get explained how that the best way to sway an argument is to isolate flaws and concentrate on them in such a way as to make your opponent feel they have reached the conclusion themselves.
Openly mocking them (“you have to laugh…” ) does very little to convert them to your side.
“But”, you say, “Ye who lives in the land of droughts and flooding rains, you yourself are mocking Greta!”
Yes.
I am.
One – she deserves to be mocked.
Two – I am not attempting to mock her to her face in an attempt to change her world view. I am mocking her to discredit her arguments – which isn’t that hard to be honest – in order to make people question her abilities. There is a subtle difference.
Three – if you ever thought I was a ‘really nice guy’ you really haven’t been paying attention.
Griff engages in more wishful thinking.
Yes, this post is dumb. Edited to be misleading, and should be taken down, or at least posted with some disclaimer about it being more for entertainment than reality.
It’s all just good fun. She was speaking in the Third Person, meaning she was talking on behalf of us being climate deniers not believing in any ‘climate emergency’. It is just good clean fun and we can use that clip back on them, that not even Greta believes in any ‘climate emergency’. Which is probably true…no one sane on the good Earth could believe we are in some kind of a climate emergency.
It is funny. But it should still be labeled as a doctored, misleading email.
It is written in the title, and again below the picture that it was just a slip of the tongue. How much more of a disclaimer do you really need?
Colonel of Truth causes Major Payne in Private Parts…Corporal Punishment to follow
In General, you’re correct, Robert.
It was a Major faux pas.
It was not a slip of the tongue. See above.
no, not just a slip of the tongue..
.., the first part also shows that she know the AGW farce has no legs to stand on.
She is waking up to the fact that it is all just virtue-seeking .
Well there was a prominent disclaimer, but I agree. It looks like there is an edit. I got the impression of what her point was, even with the edit.
This doesn’t do us any good. Usually this is what the Left does.
If you don’t have a sense of humour about these things, you’re in entirely the wrong business. Lighten up already!
And thus exposes 1 major flaw with Democrats
I think sooner or later all blogs start pandering to their readers tastes, and their readers tastes invariably run to believing everything that meshes with their political beliefs.
To put it another way, people want to read what reinforces their beliefs whether their beliefs involve any objective truths or not. Science generally takes a back seat to belief systems.
I entirely agree but you’re on WUWT now not a climate activist blog – we already know what you’ve just discovered!
Mr. Page: Mr. .1 is explaining how he is better than us, we just come here to confirm our biases but not him. Mr. Watts is just pandering to us and putting science in the backseat. To put it another way, he is deeply concerned that we are losing sight of objective truth to have a laugh at Greta. He expresses concern for us alot. He did just discover the site recently, unless he is using a fake name.
I’m not sure exactly what you mean, but just because I oppose something, the climate change agenda for instance, does mean I’m going to take everything that is said in opposition to it at face value. Everything deserves to be questioned, by which I mean everything.
Tom.1 – I happen to agree with you about the need to question everything, to dig for the truth despite the appalling amount of misinformation and lies being written and then regurgitated with confirmation bias. I was, however, writing just a little tongue in cheek with my post though. Don’t worry – I do have a healthy sense of humour about these things.
:-))
I disagree. We can, and mostly do, self-police pretty well on WUPT.
Is the video edited, or not? If it is, this post is below WUWT. I know it’s supposed to be in good fun, it’s easily misunderstood and misrepresented.
Americans spent 7+ years now playing these games with the media and former President Trump. (I’m counting the campaign, presidency and post-presidency to get 7+ years). The media edited what Trump said, deliberately misrepresented it and tried to push it down the throats of the public. No thank you.
Ridicule has its place and the climate hucksters and green fanatics say plenty of ridiculous things without having to resort to manufacturing anything.
Mr. p: A concern troll named Thomas said it was edited, but if I follow correctly it was not, it played the full quote (no, I will not watch it). After accusing WUWT of clipping the video, he appears to shift to claiming it was somehow out of context. Based on the fact that Tom.1 agreed with Thomas, and Tom.1 has let us know what he is, I conclude that it was not clipped.
It was clipped. A sentence was removed to give the impression that she said exactly the opposite of what she really said. I did not accuse WUWT of clipping the video, and I don’t think they did. But clearly someone did. If you watch the video closely, and compare it to the text, you can see that it was clipped.
If correcting the record is trolling, we are all in trouble. I have been highly skeptical of climate alarmism for decades. I am now thoroughly convinced that there is no scientific basis for climate alarmism, and no need at all for us to worry about human CO2 emissions. In fact, the good far outweighs the bad.
Posting videos like this only allows the alarmists to claim that we are spinning the truth, because that is exactly what the video does.
Sorry, but I can’t trust the transcript at MSNBC to be a word-for-word transcript of what was actually said. We’ve seen too many instances of transcripts being edited in a way that changes the meaning.
Not saying the transcript is distorted or altered, but I can’t trust it not to be.
“Sorry, but I can’t trust the transcript at MSNBC to be a word-for-word transcript of what was actually said.”
Very good point. We shouldn’t trust anything the Leftwing Media says, because they have political agendas. We should assume they are lying until proven otherwise.
That’s hilarious. I didn’t watch it either, but I thought I’d see what others had to say about it. Seems like a lot of people thought it was an inaccurate reflection of her comments.
Glad to give you a laugh. I certainly misread Thomas as a troll, my apology to him.
My comment is based upon the question — edited or not? If edited, did the edit change the meaning?
If not edited or the meaning not changed, then obviously the rest of my post does not apply.
For those claiming it was edited to change the meaning, please reply with a link to the unedited video (original source).
👍👍👍👍 Yes. Let’s see the unedited video, jeffery p.
The real crisis for warmistas is that nothing unprecedented is happening, at all, anywhere.
They are running out of time to shove through whatever they can.
When food begins to run out because of harmful policies choices, and the prices spike up so high no one can stand it, and at the same time, it becomes clear it is getting colder, not warmer, how much clout will these charlatans have then?
One may think we are already seeing high prices, but not really. Not yet.
Not compared to what is coming.
It is likely too late to prevent a massive price spike as supplies of critical commodities is insufficient to meet demand.
If we have a bad crop year, if we have a cold autumn, if the war gets worse and not better, what many of us have been warning of will in fact occur.
We have so far been insulated by a large and general increase in prosperity from the effects of the warmista policies so far.
Recession, cooling global temps…these things are coming.
Time to get skinny, conserve money, identify what we can easily live without.
The time to get very noisy about what we know is coming as well.
“The real crisis for warmistas is that nothing unprecedented is happening, at all, anywhere.
They are running out of time to shove through whatever they can.”
That is correct. The alarmists are getting desperate and are getting more and more extreme in their climate crisis rhetoric. But circumstances/reality are working against them.
Mr. McGinley: Agreed, well said. Who says U.S. dems are incompetent? They have long called for us to sacrifice (they switch out the reason every now and then) and by Joe we’re gonna halfta sacrifice. Well, I’ve been meaning to lose a few pounds before beach season.
This is as bad as saying Trump said the White Supremacists are very fine people. Don’t doctor videos. Don’t do what the other side routinely does.
But of course he never said that. What he said was there were SOME fine people on each side. The side he was praising were not White Supremacists. They were people who didn’t think statues that are part of our nations history should be torn down by the MOB.
The last time I saw her respond to the question of what should be done, she responded with ‘I don’t know’ saying that wasn’t her job.
Complaining is easy.
Solving problems, not so much.
Solving fake made up problems, impossible.
The climate crisis doesn’t exist!
https://youtu.be/UJOEr964GpI
Everyone seems to be missing the big story here, regarding the intellect of those on the left:
We have an adult human being, a grown man, an information industry professional, asking with all seriousness, OF A CHILD, a little girl who is notable more than anything else for dropping out of middle school and for having emotional and learning disabilities,…asking her imploringly…what shall we do (to solve all of these huge challenges facing our world and our civilization)!
And then awaiting expectantly her answer.
This is how intellectually bereft these nitwits are.
They look to uneducated teens for answers.
ok, it was a slip of the tongue and is mildly amusing.
The thing that really made me laugh is the watermelons are trying to force their views on the rest of us, bypassing democracy and Greta states:
“Let’s go Greta”! Climate crisis does not exist. At last some truth. Remember her favourite description of climate activism is it’s just so much blah, blah, blah, she is so right, maybe she is finally getting some education?
Maybe she could open up a side act as pronoun enforcer.
Why does a Swedish girl have a British accent?
Why do Klingons and Romulans have American accents? So did the Goa’uld and Jaffa for that matter – is America full of aliens? Do we really care?
British teachers.
Well, also the fact that, when talking English, Swede’s have only a very light almost undetectable accent – I’ve noticed it with other Swedish people – the Muppets Swedish chef is not representative of a Swedish accent.
Why on earth are you editing these videos? You just lost all credibility (with me) in about 30 seconds. Great job.
No science here… should just leave this somewhere in the blogosphere sky.
You can shove your climate crisis up your @#!*.. 😉
I think Greta accidently makes a great point. You can’t ignore a real crisis. If your house was on fire, or you were starving for lack of food, or you are in Ukraine right now, could you ignore it and pretend there was no crisis? No you couldn’t because it would be staring you in the face. The fact that the climate crisis ‘doesn’t exist’ for the vast majority of people means it is not really a crisis. It is only a wannabe crisis, an empty scare tactic being exploited for political gain.
I am NOT AT ALL a fan of “the Greta”; and, even less a fan of her child-abusing-exploiting parents and misc grifting handlers; and, to complete the trifecta, I am even less a fan of the anti-liberty globalists and their dishonest efforts … in using faux AGW as an excuse to put an end to fair-free market capitalism.
HOWEVER, it did catch my ear when, regarding suggestions for addressing this problem — as fake and politically motivated such as it is — she refused to advocate for unilateral action; where, rather, she expressed strong support for democracy, our most precious resource.
IMO, her enviro fanaticism is a long way from being palatable, but, her response suggests to me that there may be some hope; that, just maybe, given time, she may see the light — there is NO LIGHT with enviro-whacko authoritarianism — and come over to the good side.
I hope she may come to see the light. However, when she says that leaders of countries that don’t comply should be stood up against the wall and forced to tow the line, it doesn’t sound much like democracy to me, but more like fascism.
Her words did not clearly express her thoughts, but her meaning was clear to me. If a “climate crisis” is not acknowledged no one will take action. That is true. She was not addressing whether there really is a climate crisis (she believes there is) but rather just stating that if no one believes it nothing will be done. Her words are more like “out of sight, out of mind”. Of course her solution will be to convince everyone that there really is a need for action.
Jumping on her misstatement as a Freudian slip is disingenuous and smacks of desperation.
And also, having the smart Jumpers spun till the end of days what she actually meant or not in that given answer of her, while in the same time the answer is a crystal clear;
“No. Thank you very much MSM, but still No.”
again
Yep, the commentators on WUWT are posting out of “desperation”. 🙂 🙂 🙂
The desperation is trying to find a major fault in such a minor misunderstood statement. She provides plenty of reasons to to be criticized so there is no need to reach for such a small thing. It cheapens the real issues with her.
If a “climate crisis” is not acknowledged no one will take action.
Since when is a crisis so invisible that people don’t acknowledge it? After 30 years of predicting that catastrophe is just around the corner, how is it that the climate crisis is still too invisible to see? At some point we have to conclude that the “crisis” isn’t real but was manufactured as the means to a political end.
The comment was not about what is real or not real. It is about what she is stating. And her stating that view doesn’t make it true, but it is her view.
I think it is closer to what she was saying, that when those warning of a climate crisis do not themselves BEHAVE as if there is indeed a crisis, then no one will take it seriously.
Everyone acknowledges having heard the warnings.
Her history suggests that she is more aware than most of the alarmistas that actions speak louder than words.
When they fly around the globe on private jets to have a huge days-long party/conference, the main point of which is to scream at the rest of the world to shrink their “carbon footprint”, they are not practicing what they preach, and if there is one thing most people are acutely aware of in others, it is hypocrisy.
In fact, many here have long been pointing out the same thing: Why should anyone take seriously a cry of alarm about a crisis, coming from people who do not themselves act at all as if they believe there is a crisis?
Excoriating her warmista fellow travelers on this general point is what she was doing when she adopting her now well-known scowl.
She is talking about exactly what was her reason for dropping out of school: She was sitting in a class and was told about the end of the world, and then the instructors would turn the page and start talking about what the next subject of discussion was.
She was mortified, because she immediately internalized the fear mongering and was shocked when it turned out to be just another subject…one that was brought up and then moved on from…like when Math class is over and History class starts.
If we think back, her whole thing was “How can we talk about anything else when the world is ending?”
Missing the point here.
The Simps (seriously guys, stop White Knighting. She is not going to follow you on Twitter) here are desperate to prove she never really said ‘doesn’t exist’ or that if she did, what she meant to say was HOW DARE YOU HOW DARE YOU.
Not the point.
The point here is that she is annoyed that people are treating Climate Change(tm) as something that ‘doesn’t exist’ and many of those people are at the highest levels of global leadership.
What she is complaining about is that the masses have stopped caring and part of the blame is that the leaders have stopped offering it on the menu. Everyone needs to believe in unicorns or the magic doesn’t work.
Go back and listen to the entire answer. Greta clearly says that it is pointless for a leader to overrule democracy because EVERYONE has to agree and be wanting to work together.
She is not admitting the Global Warming(tm) doesn’t exist, she is admitting that only the minorities actually want to do something about it.
She is admitting – accidentally – she is a MINORITY and the majority of voters have other issues they regard as more important.
That is the point – Greta is admitting (accidentally) that her movement has failed and people are just getting on with their lives.
How much is the little communist teenager profiting from her advocacy? I’d like to see some disclosures. These elitist leftists never seem to be economically impacted by the disastrous economic policies they advocate for.
I think this type of ‘story’ just makes climate alarm sceptics look as silly as the alarmists often do. It’s not worthy of any attention.
a brandon moment?
roflmao
The doctored video shamelessly takes what she said out of context, but it is essentially trolling Greta. It is satire. It would take an extremely gormless oerson to not recognize it as such. She’s saying that world leaders, including Biden need to treat the “climate crisis” like a crisis, because otherwise, how are people going to know it’s a crisis and demand that more be done. That is circular reasoning on her part.
It is also laughably ironic and hypocritical that she says she supports democracy, while at the same time wanting Biden et al to run roughshod over democracy in their efforts to “save the planet”. Greta is a liar. She actually hates democracy.
Actually, I think it is more an example of her inability to reason clearly and her constant desire to be woke.
Her time has come and gone. No one cares as they are all fighting to pay for the ever increasing fuel bills to stop them from freezing- a clue in there.
She was dropped like a hot rock when she showed up at the UN a few years back and screamed insults at her hosts for being hypocrites.
One day when if Greta ever acquires any self awareness, she will realize her persona was serially abused by her parents and other adult climate change cultists to become the poster child for their pseudoscientific cult. As a child Greta can be forgiven but not the adult cultists who serially gang raped her innocent image while high on their hubris of trying to tweak Mother Nature’s ancient cycle of natural climate variation.