More Snow Hits the Fan this Week: Climate Change Alarmists Still Want it Both Ways

From Dr. Roy Spencer’s Blog

January 31st, 2022 by Roy W. Spencer, Ph. D.

As I predicted, climate change has been blamed for the recent New England blizzard (e.g. from Bloomberg here). During that storm, Boston tied its 24-hr snowfall record at 23.6 inches.

Yet, as recently as January 6, we were told by USAToday that Boston’s lengthy 316-day streak *without* one inch of snowfall as of January 1st was caused by global warming.

So, which is it? Global warming causes less snow, or more snow?

When science produces contradictory claims, is it really science?

What’s coming up next is a snow and ice storm that will stretch all the way from the southern Rockies to northern New England. Here are NAM model forecast totals of snow, ice pellets, and freezing rain (respectively) from Tuesday evening through Thursday evening. All of the forecast models I follow (ECMWF, GFS, NAM, and Canadian) are in general agreement, with some variation in the north-south positioning:

Not shown is the westward extension of this into NW Texas, Colorado, and New Mexico. Also not shown is the eastward spreading of this mess into northern New England through Friday.

If anything like this forecast verifies, it’s going to cause huge disruptions.

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Mike
January 31, 2022 10:05 am

When both A and non-A “prove” your hypothesis you are no longer dealing with science but religion.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Mike
January 31, 2022 10:31 am

Either way, it’s all “your” fault.
Mere guilt will not atone for your sins.
You must be made to pay.

Curious George(@moudryj)
Reply to  Alan Robertson
January 31, 2022 11:06 am

It is Trump’s fault.

LdB
Reply to  Alan Robertson
January 31, 2022 2:47 pm

Except if your a inner city greentard then you did some token stuff and it’s everyone elses fault because you are trendy.

Dennis
Reply to  Alan Robertson
January 31, 2022 3:01 pm

Carbon credits will fix it.

patrick healy
Reply to  Alan Robertson
February 1, 2022 3:35 am

Forgive me Father for my sins of Emissions, can I have Absolution now?

Bill Powers
Reply to  Mike
January 31, 2022 1:47 pm

Or you are dealing with Political Science as a Religion. The Secular Church of The Globist Warmist also known as the Church of Latter Day Climate Change.

Nigel in California
Reply to  Mike
January 31, 2022 1:52 pm

Cult, not religion.

Johanus
Reply to  Nigel in California
February 1, 2022 3:33 am

It has all of the trappings of a religion: divinity (Gaia), high priests (IPCC), doctrine of original sin (CO2), divine wrath (heat?cold?), redemption ($$$) and is non-falsifiable.

If it walks like a religion, talks like a religion, it’s a religion: Climatism.

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Nigel in California
Reply to  Johanus
February 1, 2022 3:31 pm

Not to get too far away from the topic, but I don’t think true religion is like what you have described at all. Cult fits your description very well.

True religion IS falsifiable, does NOT have high priests, does NOT have a doctrine of original sin, and though God can dole out some wrath it does need to be taken into historical and social context (God is not evil). Many religions today have, over long periods of time, introduced the other features you describe (original sin, high priests, non-falsifiability, etc), but these were not part of their original divinely revealed aspects. They were put their by the mind of man thinking they were good solutions to various contemporary problems, when really it was just them not understanding what they should actually be doing. Over time, people think it is part of the ‘religion’ but it is not, it is part of what MEN put and weave into religion. Every now and then, after mankind strays a little too far, God reboots ‘true’ religion to keep mankind on the straight path. This can easily be seen over the last 5 thousand years.

Having said that, cult, has all the aspects which you describe. I encourage you to look into what a true religion is, as a lot of definitions may describe some systems that are just made up by someone who thinks that that’s what a religion is (when actually it’s just another cult). True religion can be determined through it’s fruit – did it result in a positive civilization being created, etc.

Anon
Reply to  Mike
February 1, 2022 5:08 am

True story: It was explained to me that as the Arctic is heating up, cold air is being displaced (based on meteorology and the movement of warm fronts, so they were paying attention in Roy’s class) and thus travels South causing our current spate of cold weather. And this will continue to worsen until the Arctic heats up sufficiently to force all of the cold air out, upon which we will see temperatures rise as the warmer air masses from the Arctic arrive.

It was a walk away situation… but I thought you all should be warned about the coming hot air from the Arctic and the freezing of the equatorial regions. (sigh)

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Martin
Reply to  Mike
February 2, 2022 8:15 pm

Also the solution is More Government Power. If that doesn’t work then we should try Even More Government Power.

ResourceGuy
January 31, 2022 10:09 am

Whichever branch they take it is always enforced with conviction, science, and overwhelming public opinion. Too bad it’s wrong and why not mention the year that the snow tied with in any of these stories?

January 31, 2022 10:15 am

If these alarmists keep doubling down with contradictions, It won’t be long before more people realize that they’ve been played.

Barry Moore
Reply to  co2isnotevil
January 31, 2022 10:22 am

No – the masks and clot shots have trained the normies to think that disagreeing with the science is akin to worshipping Hitler.

Geoffrey Williams
Reply to  Barry Moore
January 31, 2022 4:09 pm

Yes indeed and even after he was defeated in WWII . .

patrick healy
Reply to  Geoffrey Williams
February 1, 2022 3:39 am

Oh Geoffrey, you will be telling me now that Elvis is dead.

patrick healy
Reply to  co2isnotevil
February 1, 2022 3:38 am

What? after 40 years of lies, falsification, manipulation and downright evil, you expect the sheeple to notice?
As the white house squatter might say “Come on man”

Reply to  patrick healy
February 1, 2022 7:43 am

The problem isn’t that the evidence contradicting alarmism isn’t ubiquitous, but that the sheeple don’t believe it because their political masters and a compliant media tells them not to. The COVID experience has made it real clear that these political masters along with their lackey media are clueless when it comes to matters of science.

An encouraging sign is that despite mask mandates, many are shedding their talisman of political obedience.

Bryan A
January 31, 2022 10:15 am

Normal Climate causes Droughts in some areas sometimes and Flooding in other areas other times. It causes blizzards releasing feet of snow sometimes in some areas and a lack of winter snow other times in other places. It causes hurricanes in some years and a sporadic lack of hurricanes in other years.
Climate Change does all that too bus simply ascribes the cause to slightly increasing atmospheric concentrations of CO2 and CH4
Much like the universe was created in the Big Bang (Something from nothing) to Science but ascribed to a Creator (something from nothing) by Religion

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bonbon
Reply to  Bryan A
January 31, 2022 12:14 pm

Religion, at least the Mosaic ones, is not so dumb as the Gaia Big Burp of the Jesuit Lemaitre who first birthed the Big Bump, to which Einstein clapped and said ‘the greatest creation story he had ever heard’ – tongue in cheek?

Instead real Religion says ‘In the beginning was the Word’ – Logos. To say Logos is nothing, well, that is Kant’s peculiar Omni-pulverizer Critique.

Doonman
January 31, 2022 10:18 am

It’s scientism™. Scientism™ is when everyone agrees that a cause for an effect is the same when different results are observed.

Barry Moore
January 31, 2022 10:20 am

Global warming causes both more snow and less snow, more rain and less rain, more drought and less drought – and if you don’t agree you are a science denier.

LdB
Reply to  Barry Moore
January 31, 2022 2:36 pm

In the old days that was simply called weather 🙂

Deano
Reply to  LdB
January 31, 2022 11:32 pm

In the new modern days most of us still call it weather.

Joe Chang
January 31, 2022 10:23 am

it was a misprint, like 666, they meant endless snow, not end of snow

Joseph Zorzin
January 31, 2022 10:26 am

Here’s a photo of a small part of an 18 acre solar “farm” in north central Massachusetts- a day after the blizzard. We didn’t get the full blizzard- maybe 7-8″ snow. Boston and the Cape got 20-25″. The snow was extremely dry and light- so it blew around- much blowing off roofs. As it blew around, it looked like a dust storm. So I walked out to it wondering if the snow would still be on the panels. Some did stick despite being light and dry and all the wind. Perhaps 30% of the panels’ surface were covered with maybe an inch of snow- more in this photo, less in some areas. I could see that it won’t last long as the black panels were warming up and the snow is probably off a day later. But still- it must have had some negative impact on the power generated, right? Too bad there are no AGW skeptics in eastern Mass. or we’d be seeing photos of solar “farms” buried under snow. Must be a few out there- but if they don’t offer photos here, that’ll prove they don’t exist. :-} The Bah-stin Glob certainly hasn’t offered such photos, being a sacred city of loyal climatistas.

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Matt Kiro
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 31, 2022 10:56 am

Usually the snow is heavier and stickier in eastern MA. and the snow piles up and drifts on roofs. The wind prevented that this storm. Most roof mounted solar panels in my neighborhood were clearer than your picture.

Maybe Boston did not get 1″ of snow on any one day for most of last year. But there were a good 10-12 straight days last February that it was precipitating or cloudy and overcast. Not much solar power coming through then.

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Matt Kiro
January 31, 2022 11:45 am

Just now reading today’s Globe- which called it a “bomb cyclone”
wow, I’m terrified now- we gotta stop all that carbon pollution! /s

Matt Kiro
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 31, 2022 11:55 am

pretty sure there was no solar generated during the storm, and it was probably too windy for the windmills. But the Globe wants us to depend on them when people are stuck in their house when its below 0 C outside

Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Matt Kiro
January 31, 2022 12:09 pm

that’s what I was afraid of- bad enough to have an outage in mild weather but when it’s below zero F, it can be destructive and extremely annoying- and yes, what to do when Mass. arrives at net zero paradise?

yet, I see nobody asking that question in the Globe- it’s just more of the same, how we need to GO FASTER with “clean and green” energy- not sure why this insanity is spreading so fast

so when we’ve “arrived”- and a blizzard happens shutting down all wind and solar, we’ll survive with batteries? OK, we might have a generator in our homes but many people can’t afford one- then we’ll have to burn the evil fossil fuels to run it, less efficiently than the old power stations

AndyHce
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 31, 2022 10:17 pm

Trying to get it done before there is an effective backlash.

AndyHce
Reply to  Matt Kiro
January 31, 2022 10:16 pm

Perhaps it is an exercise like Gideon with his army. Keep winnowing down the numbers until there is only an impressive few left.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Matt Kiro
February 1, 2022 1:35 am

Don’t tell Griff but I think that during one of our two storms, Malik and Corrie, the UK got a record amount of electricity from wind. It’s still quite high today. It looks like wind for the next few days which also means it won’t be too cold. All good news with current European gas stocks at record low levels

Meab
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 31, 2022 1:10 pm

A bomb cyclone is a rapidly intensifying storm. This storm was predicted three or four days ago. Not rapid by any stretch. The Globe is lying.

Reply to  Meab
February 2, 2022 7:05 am

The definition of a ‘Bomb cyclone’ is one where the pressure drops extremely rapidly, more than 24mb in 24 hrs. The recent storm met that criterion.

menace
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 31, 2022 3:17 pm

Run for the hills! A bomb cyclone is coming!

RickWill
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 31, 2022 1:33 pm

But still- it must have had some negative impact on the power generated, right? 

Wrong – the power output at that tilt angle in latitudes where snow regularly occurs would be negligible if it was snow covered or not.

Also you do not need much of a panel blacked out to reduce the output to zero. Their output is not a function of the exposed area. A small strip across the panel that blocks sunlight can reduce output to zero.

For solar panels to be useful as a stand alone power source, they need to maximise the winter output. So if mounted on rigid frame, they should be tilted at about 70 degrees to the vertical if located at 50N; 80 degrees at 60N. .

If they were tilted to maximise winter output then snow would likely not be a problem. However there is no point in having panels closer than the shadow they cast as a shadow across a small portion of the panels will reduce their output to zero. So the horizontal spacing from the top of the most southern panel to the bottom of the next row has to be the almost twice the height of the panel for mounting at 70 degrees; almost 3 times if at 80 degrees. That adds to the land requirement.

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Reply to  RickWill
February 1, 2022 6:43 am

The panels, imaged by Joseph Zorzin, are nowhere near the angles you mention.

They appear to be closer to 40°, meant for electricity generation when the sun is much higher in the sky.

pigs_in_space
Reply to  Joseph Zorzin
January 31, 2022 1:41 pm

You need to have a look at the ones in Estonia right now
They are under drifts of anything between 40-90cm of the white stuff!

Geoffrey Williams
Reply to  pigs_in_space
January 31, 2022 4:22 pm

There are some backward nations whose populations want to be up there, in an intellectual sense, with the people’s of the west. They will do anything in order to be considered as ‘western’ thinking. They havebeen brainwashed. It’s like a religious cult and once committed they will never admit they could be wrong . .

Rud Istvan
January 31, 2022 10:27 am

Well, it’s winter. Looks like children know snow after all. Poor Dr. Viner was wrong way back in 2000 in the good old climate alarm days, before all the many specific climate prognostications turned out flat wrong.

alastair gray
Reply to  Rud Istvan
January 31, 2022 1:14 pm

Dr Viner is not the least apologetic and has a glittering career at Mott Macdonald Engineering consultancy pulling the wool over the eyes of surprisingly gullible engineers who are scientifically literate enough to know better, as Climate Change Adaption Adviseror some other gobshite non-job

Alan the Brit
Reply to  alastair gray
February 1, 2022 12:15 am

Mott Macdonald used to be a very reputable firm of consulting engineers, clearly they are in decline!!!

Reply to  Rud Istvan
February 2, 2022 7:17 am

As I recall Viner (referring to England) said: “within a few years winter snowfall will become “a very rare and exciting event”, Heavy snow will return occasionally, but when it does we will be unprepared. “We’re really going to get caught out. Snow will probably cause chaos in 20 years time”. What was wrong about that?

ghalfrunt
January 31, 2022 10:37 am

more evaporation from warming ocean means more precipitation. If it is cold more snow. If its warm more rain.

Mr.
Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 31, 2022 10:44 am

Same as it ever was . . .

Pat from Kerbob
Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 31, 2022 10:55 am

Uh huh
The point of the doctors article is that no snow was the predicted result of AGW, now more snow.

You are just as bad as Griff.

Pick one.

Duane
Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 31, 2022 11:08 am

And evaporation from the oceans causes cooling of the oceans – it’s science. Called the “latent heat of vaporization”. So that’s a negative feedback.

That’s why and how, when I was a kid back in the 1960s and one was driving across the deserts, a popular mechanism was to strap a slightly pervious cloth bag to the front bumper of the car, evaporation from which chilled the water therein. That’s how evaporative coolers work – they being the cooling system of choice in the arid southwest.

PBla
Reply to  Duane
January 31, 2022 11:47 am

Also popular in the Australian outback. I had forgotten about these!

Dennis
Reply to  PBla
January 31, 2022 3:05 pm

Also ducted evaporative air conditioning for the Outback and not so far out back dry climate zones.

Mr.
Reply to  Duane
January 31, 2022 11:52 am

In Australia called a “Coolgardie” water bag.

As used by prospectors in the Coolgardie gold fields of Western Australia in the 1800s.

RickWill
Reply to  Duane
January 31, 2022 1:51 pm

And evaporation from the oceans causes cooling of the oceans – it’s science. Called the “latent heat of vaporization”. 

This is true but is only part of the story for oceans.

When water evaporates from an ocean surface, it gets replaced from below – termed upwelling.

The divergent zones in the tropical oceans like the Nino3 region have recorded upwelling of 7mm per day at 1000m. the upwelling rate is much higher closer to the surface where shallow horizontal currents feed the upwelling.

The deep water below 500m is fed from the high latitudes so is always cold with lower salt content as observed in the lower salinity fingers below 500m in this plot:
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Oceans are cold places so more upwelling reduces the average temperature.

Deep ocean temperature has been increasing for the last 400 years because sunlight over oceans has been trending down for that time thereby reducing net evaporation and less freshwater runoff from land – the complete opposite of what climate models predicted.

Climate models are based on oceans being heated by surface radiation – a physical impossibility.

Dennis
Reply to  Duane
January 31, 2022 3:04 pm

Also useful for cooling homes in dry zero humidity climates, drape a wet towel across doorways.

Ron Long
Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 31, 2022 11:45 am

ghalfrunt, are you saying “our children won’t know what droughts are”?

LdB
Reply to  Ron Long
January 31, 2022 2:42 pm

That is what he and Griff are saying apparently. Griff even quotes the UK is up 3% already 🙂

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MarkW
Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 31, 2022 11:45 am

Too bad none of this has been detected in any world that exists outside models.

BTW, the claim from the warmies is that the oceans have warmed up by 0.03C. Just how much extra evaporation does 0.03C supposed to drive?

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paul courtney
Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 31, 2022 12:25 pm

Mr. halfrunt: Just as you predicted!!

Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 31, 2022 1:19 pm

more evaporation from warming ocean means more precipitation. If it is cold more snow. If its warm more rain.

Is that why interglacials end with short warm spells and fluctuating sea level that eventually triggers glacial advance that then tips the earth back into glacial? Exactly like what happened at the end of the Eemian and probably all the other interglacials? And is starting happening now (without necessarily any human influence)?

Global sea-level fluctuations during the Last Interglaciation (MIS 5e) – ScienceDirect

LdB
Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 31, 2022 2:40 pm

So global warming equals more snow so all the glaciers should start advancing again … got it :=)

MarkW
Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 31, 2022 3:37 pm

Warmies just aren’t very good at basic physics. Since the air is warmer, and stays warmer, why should it drop any of that extra water vapor that it picked up?
If it does drop the vapor, then doesn’t that put the lie to the claim that extra water vapor in the air is supposed to amplify the affect of additional CO2?

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MiloCrabtree
Reply to  ghalfrunt
January 31, 2022 4:47 pm

How can you be so completely stupid?

Graemethecat
Reply to  MiloCrabtree
February 1, 2022 12:39 am

Griff and Loydo have shown it’s not difficult.

Derg
Reply to  ghalfrunt
February 1, 2022 4:18 am

Hey it’s Ghalfrunt. Did you drink bleach to knock out the Covid like you told us to do?

TonyG
Reply to  ghalfrunt
February 1, 2022 9:37 am

So what you’re saying is that there will be MORE precipitation in a warming world, not LESS, right? So droughts are NOT caused by climate change then?

beng135
January 31, 2022 10:38 am

Another episode in Texas?

Not huge amounts of snow here in the central Appalachians, but the blackened, dirty, rock-hard roadside piles that never melt are looking more & more like Jan 1977.

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Bruce Ranta
January 31, 2022 10:48 am

When you come to a fork in the road take it. Yogi Berra?

Bob Tisdale(@bobtisdale)
Editor
Reply to  Bruce Ranta
January 31, 2022 11:03 am

Yup, it was Berra. He was giving directions to his home to Joe Garagiola.

Regards,
Bob

DonK31
Reply to  Bruce Ranta
January 31, 2022 11:33 am

Rick C
Reply to  DonK31
January 31, 2022 12:03 pm

“…when you get to the Slauson cutoff, get out of your car, cut off your Slauson, get back in your car…” – Art Fern (Johnny Carson)

Dave Fair
Reply to  Rick C
January 31, 2022 1:32 pm

+42X10^42. Everybody after Johnny has been a failure in late night comedy.

Robert Bissett
January 31, 2022 10:55 am

Global Warming = Climate Change = Snow, Ice, Cold
OK, but at what point must we admit it is actually
Global Cooling we are seeing? Just askin’.

LdB
Reply to  Robert Bissett
January 31, 2022 2:43 pm

Griff has already made that step.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Robert Bissett
February 1, 2022 12:44 am

From what basic research I have made, Ice-Ages over the last couple of million years, lasted between 90,000-130,000 years, with Inter-glacials lasting between 10,000 & 15,000 years, with the Holocene starting around 11,500 years ago, which suggests that we may be living on borrowed time!!! Personally I’d rather fry than freeze!!!

Robert B
January 31, 2022 10:58 am

It’s not convincing people of the science. It’s convincing the disciples that they will not be on the wrong side of history, no matter what actually happens.

IanE
January 31, 2022 10:58 am

To answer the key question: Yes, global warming causes more snow or less snow!

bonbon
Reply to  IanE
January 31, 2022 12:28 pm

‘Yes, global warming likely could cause more snow or probably less snow- more research is needed!’

There, got it through peer-review!

Reply to  IanE
January 31, 2022 3:05 pm

More in winter, less in summer 😀

Duane
January 31, 2022 11:03 am

I must say I am just absolutely gobsmacked that we get winter storms in winter.

What’s that all about, anyway?

It’s gotta be global warming!

JCM
January 31, 2022 11:16 am

CNN went on a search for the vanishing snow in the far north. https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/29/world/end-of-winter-greenland-porter-fox-climate/index.html

The white journalist was telling the Inuit guides, 3 brothers, all about the missing snow and ice.

Quoting the article:

“The revelation did not seem to concern [the] Inuit sled drivers. It was still pretty cold on the world’s largest island… Their ancestors had sledded across the ice for thousands of years: foraging in the most inhospitable climate on Earth.”

It’s one of my all time favorite lines from CNN.

The journalist, Porter Fox, author of “The Last Winter”, from New York, had no interest at all to listen to the Inuit, or to absorb anything from their interaction. It sounds like he spent most of the time lecturing Justus, Mugu, and Mikael about changes to their landscape.

It takes a special kind of ignorance to travel from the south, as a white person, to lecture Inuit guides who make their livelihood every day on the land, about changes in the north. To then, in the writeup, practically dismiss the Inuit perspective. He seems to imply they are uninformed, or maybe he didn’t bother asking about their thoughts.

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Mr.
Reply to  JCM
January 31, 2022 12:02 pm

Yep. Just like the wildlife “experts” who claimed that global warming had decimated the caribou herds because the activists in their helicopters couldn’t find the annual migrations where they expected to see them.

The local Indians explained that caribou use different routes from time to time, and sure enough, a few valleys away from where the activists were patrolling, there the caribou were in their thousands.

Same as it ever was . . .

Retired_Engineer_Jim
Reply to  Mr.
January 31, 2022 12:14 pm

But didn’t the Alaska Pipeline kill all the caribou?

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Mr.
February 1, 2022 12:56 am

You must learn that their minds are already made up, so they must not be confused with facts!!! That’s the trouble with those pesky facts, they can ruin a great story!!! 😉

bonbon
Reply to  JCM
January 31, 2022 12:23 pm

Just curious, the Inuit are likely the most capable of settling Antarctica – I wonder if any tried, outside the research stations? And the massive penguin population would make great bear snacks.

JCM
Reply to  bonbon
January 31, 2022 1:14 pm

After providing the ‘revelation’ about missing ice to the Inuit, further down the article the author added that he found it ‘amusing’ that Inuit don’t like to sleep out in the cold. Go figure. In the Inuk language they have a special word to describe people with this type of attitude.

alastair gray
Reply to  bonbon
January 31, 2022 1:18 pm

That really is one of the most imaginative ideas I have heard for a long time . Go for it

Dave Fair
Reply to  bonbon
January 31, 2022 1:43 pm

Bonbon, you’re an effing idiot and fail at humor. The Arctic habitat in which the Inuit survive in no way resembles the Antarctic habitat. Fool and clown you are in assuming Arctic Polar Bears could survive in the Antarctic.

renbutler
Reply to  JCM
January 31, 2022 1:07 pm

That kind of arrogance is at the very heart of everything they do. It’s not the Native Americans who want team mascots changed — it’s the white liberals who are constantly telling them how oppressed they are and how offended they should be. Blacks consistently support Voter ID in polling, but that’s because the white liberals haven’t quite educated them well enough to know how racist it is…

James F. Evans
January 31, 2022 11:19 am

Of course alarmist AGW proponents want it both ways.

Every weather event hot or cold is being played up.

I don’t know where things are going, or if they are are going anywhere at all.

But never let these people claim colder means CO2 causes AGW.

That’s a “heads I win, tails you lose” argument.

Scientifically, called an unfalsifiable assumption.

When something can’t be disproved… a claimed physical phenomenon or mechanism, that’s dogma not science.

commieBob
January 31, 2022 11:48 am

Holy Moses!

Thank goodness I have time to get snow tires before it hits … and a can of gas for the snow blower.

bonbon
Reply to  commieBob
January 31, 2022 12:24 pm

And chains – the quick release ones are great!
Only question – does a 4WD really need 4 chains?

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AndyHce
Reply to  bonbon
January 31, 2022 10:50 pm

probably depends heavily upon the particular jurisdiction
I used to travel snow covered Hwy 80 in the Sierras without chains on more than a few occasions. Then there was a bureacatic shift and chains were required, installed, just at the possibility of snow on the road.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  commieBob
January 31, 2022 12:26 pm

And don’t forget, milk, bread, eggs, snow shovel, batteries, new snow blower, generator, and a years’ supply of toilet paper. You know, just in case. But don’t wait, because they’ll all be gone.
Too late.

Sara
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
January 31, 2022 1:08 pm

Bruce Cobb, you left out popcorn, chips, soda, beer, kielbasa and buns, and condiments.

sturmudgeon
Reply to  Sara
January 31, 2022 8:18 pm

As the shortages come, those items are exactly what people will be complaining about.

Yooper
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
February 1, 2022 6:58 am

You forgot beer….

Chris Nisbet
January 31, 2022 12:12 pm

Our NZ propaganda outlet (One News) can’t help themselves – they _had_ to make some comment about climate change playing a role in this event…

Climate change, particularly the warming ocean, probably influenced the strength of the storm, atmospheric researchers said.

Much warmer ocean waters “are certainly playing a role in the strengthening of the storm system and increased moisture available for the storm,” said University of Oklahoma meteorology professor Jason Furtado. “But it isn’t the only thing.”

They _never_ include any comment from anybody that might provide some balance – e.g. that ‘much warmer’ likely means imperceptibly warmer, or what these ‘other’ things might be, or that the role ‘climate change’ played was likely the _least_ significant factor in the storm’s strength.
I don’t understand how they aren’t breaking some broadcasting rules about providing balance.

https://www.1news.co.nz/2022/01/31/us-east-coast-begins-digging-out-after-major-blizzard/

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Chris Nisbet
February 1, 2022 3:04 am

“Much warmer ocean waters “are certainly playing a role in the strengthening of the storm system and increased moisture available for the storm,” said University of Oklahoma meteorology professor Jason Furtado. “But it isn’t the only thing.””

Just like the atmosphere, alarmist climate scientists think the oceans are getting warmer and warmer, when, in fact, the oceans warm sometimes and they cool sometimes. Neither the atmosphere nor the oceans are constantly getting warmer and warmer, as alarmist climate scientists imply. They just assume everything is getting warmer, without evidence. Typical alarmist climate science, based on nothing.

ResourceGuy
January 31, 2022 12:16 pm

Is there any way we could move this to hit DC, NYC, and Boston? They need some more.

Ireneusz Palmowski
January 31, 2022 12:40 pm
Dale Baranowski
January 31, 2022 12:43 pm

I have a close friend who has a doctorate in meteorology; he worked for NOAA and NASA in climatology, too. He has a forecasting service for countries and corporations and teaches atmospherics at a local university. We have been engaged in a gentlemanly discussion about GW for nine years. I pointed out that intense cold cannot be an indicator of GW. He replied that the intense cold over much of the northern hemisphere is a result of destabilization of the polar vortex. Climate change, he says, causes that destabilization. He added that the intense storms of late are due to a very warm air mass that confronts an equally cold air mass to the opposite extreme, so the result has been heavy precipitation. He said that without the unusually intense warm air masses – a direct result of Global Warming – there could not be such intense cold air masses which, when they collide, could cause such powerful storms. I told him that his explanation is not logical as he claimed there is an intense warm air mass as well as an intense cold air mass side-by-side. Which suggests that there is no GW because the two opposite extreme masses cancel each other out from a temperature standpoint. If both air masses exist to extreme opposites then there’s no warming. He could not reply to that.

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  Dale Baranowski
January 31, 2022 1:05 pm

Ask a friend if they know what the temperature is in the stratosphere and if by chance it is related to low solar activity.comment imagecomment image

Sara
Reply to  Dale Baranowski
January 31, 2022 1:11 pm

Just a question, Dale: does your friend know that cold is due to the absence of heat?

alastair gray
Reply to  Dale Baranowski
January 31, 2022 1:24 pm

Follow the “Science” eight to where the sun never shines

Dave Fair
Reply to  Dale Baranowski
January 31, 2022 1:50 pm

If the cold air is coming from the Arctic, where does the warm air replacing it come from?

Steven Fraser
Reply to  Dave Fair
January 31, 2022 3:49 pm

The equator.

Brad-DXT
Reply to  Dale Baranowski
January 31, 2022 2:53 pm

Are you sure he has a PHD in meteorology? Sounds like he has a post hole digger in his garage.

sturmudgeon
Reply to  Dale Baranowski
January 31, 2022 8:22 pm

He’s a “close friend”? Take care.. it may be ‘deadly’, like covid was touted to be.

AndyHce
Reply to  Dale Baranowski
January 31, 2022 11:36 pm

And the blizzards of yesteryear never happened

Ireneusz Palmowski
January 31, 2022 12:49 pm

High danger from strong convection and ice rain.
https://www.ventusky.com/?p=34.2;-92.9;4&l=rain-3h&t=20220203/1500

Bruce Cobb
January 31, 2022 12:54 pm

Notice that the Climatistas always rush to make their climate claims AFTER the fact, never before. How convenient.

Sara
January 31, 2022 12:55 pm

So, which is it? Global warming causes less snow, or more snow? – article

It’s both!!! It’s going to be a MONSOON of snow….. or something like that. I do kind of hope that the map showing the storm tracking up to my AO is the storm track which will happen. We did not get enough rain last spring into summer and fall, and the snow so far has been disappointing. It doesn’t just melt into the ground: it also feeds the waterways and lakes and ponds around here, which is very important to people who like to fish… and I saw plenty of people out on the ice at one of the bigger local lakes last week, counted 7 colorful ice fishing hutches and saw kids out on the ice with their parents.

At some point, this constant refrain of buffoonery may come to an end and they will find a new whine to use, but for now, well — just smile and nod, dear.

Ireneusz Palmowski
January 31, 2022 12:58 pm

It will be massive amounts of ice rain, including in Texas.
https://www.ventusky.com/?p=34.2;-92.9;4&l=rain-3h&t=20220203/1500

January 31, 2022 1:07 pm

You don’t get it, it’s real simple.
Climate change is making the climate change.
That’s why it’s called climate change.
Because it makes the the climate change.
Climate’s not going to change itself.
You gotta have climate change if you want the climate to change.
But we dont want climate to change.
So to change the climate from changing we gotta change climate change so that climate changes from climate change to a climate that don’t change no more.
That’s when the earth is inside a red giant sun.
Here’s your change.

Ireneusz Palmowski
January 31, 2022 1:18 pm

The stratospheric ozone indicates a circulation for 04/02/2022 at jet stream level (200 hPa).comment image

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Dave Fair
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
January 31, 2022 1:53 pm

And that means …?

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  Dave Fair
January 31, 2022 2:58 pm

A very strong cold front that will bring strong convection and strong winds. Freezing rain will be combined with thunderstorms. Tornadoes may occur.
Frigid air will descend to the surface and warm air with water vapor will rise.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
January 31, 2022 3:15 pm

Ireneusz, thank you for the near-term weather forecast. I’ve been assured by CliSciFi that it is caused by increases in atmospheric CO2 concentrations since 1950.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
February 1, 2022 3:10 am

This is a prediction for April 2, 2022?

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  Tom Abbott
February 1, 2022 9:27 am

Sorry.
That’s the forecast for Feb. 4-5.

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Alex
January 31, 2022 1:24 pm

The globalist-global warming-climate change-catastrophic anthropogenic climate change theory explains everything, and proves nothing.

Rah
January 31, 2022 1:27 pm

I think it is going to be a long week for this trucker and a bunch of others. But unlike most, I’m on salary, so it all pays the same.

I just so happen to be picking up at a place out by the Huntsville airport right now and am in warmer weather than I’ve been in for a couple of weeks. But this load goes back to Indiana.

sturmudgeon
Reply to  Rah
January 31, 2022 8:27 pm

Be Safe, and Thanks. Is the fact that you are “on salary” determines whether you are in the “Convoy” or not?

Rah
Reply to  sturmudgeon
January 31, 2022 11:37 pm

The fact that I am a company driver and do not own the truck I drive.

And the fact that if every trucker and trucking company stopped hauling freight the whole supply chain would collapse. People would start to suffer and even die from lack of medication and medical supplies, starvation, and some from lack of fuel oil or propane to heat their homes. The supply at retailers of all types would dry up quickly, including fuel for the trucks themselves.

I don’t think we want that.

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TonyG
Reply to  Rah
February 1, 2022 10:03 am

I don’t think we want that.

Probably not, but I suspect it’s the only thing that would get anyone’s attention.

Bruce Cobb
January 31, 2022 1:29 pm

Every year about this time, they drag ol’ Al Gore out of whatever cave he’s holed up in, and if he sees his internet, it’s at least another 6 years of global warming.

Rick C
January 31, 2022 1:50 pm

Way back in the 1990’s I was concerned about the effect of increasing CO2 and global warming. But then I read an article somewhere saying that climate scientists had determined that the CO2 global warming effect was likely to trigger a new ice age (i.e. glaciation). That got me to start researching the subject more carefully and I soon became a skeptic. I’ll admit that I thought the problem was primarily just weak or incompetent application of the scientific method.

When the Climategate scandal broke I realized it was far worse than mere incompetence. Climate Change has become a stalking horse for the pursuit of global governance and implementation of global socialism under the control of elites. This has been the goal since Maurice Strong created the UN Environmental Programme and it’s been heavily supported by organization of the super rich elites such as The Club of Rome, The World Economic Forum, The Rockefeller Foundation and the Bilderberg Group. Oh, and a good part of the US Democrat Party and Biden administration. That is why many of the proposed radical solutions to climate change include large portions of unrelated socialistic programs – e.g. financial compensation to IBPOC groups perceived to be most negatively affected by supposed climate change.

There can be no doubt that many of the leaders of the decarbonization (aka – deindustrialization) push know perfectly well that the effects of increased CO2 on climate is not significant and that reductions in emissions will likely have no demonstrable benefit. But since their agenda is global governance and not protecting the masses from bad weather, they will keep pushing until they win or are exposed the scoundrels they are. My fear is that they will succeed enough to bring about the collapse of our energy infrastructure and trigger massive loss of life and societal break down. My hope is that the ongoing attempts to replace reliable energy generation with unreliables will create enough serious problems to demonstrate the stupidity of the effort while there is still time to reverse course. Perhaps the populous will simply get fed up with ever increasing energy cost and vote anyone espousing climate alarmist views out of office.

sturmudgeon
Reply to  Rick C
January 31, 2022 8:30 pm

My fear is that they will succeed enough to bring about the collapse of our energy infrastructure and trigger massive loss of life and societal break down.” Happening already.

guest
January 31, 2022 2:12 pm

Like quantum mechanics, our mere observation has perturbed the system. So it IS science after all.

Dennis
January 31, 2022 3:01 pm

So, which is it? Global warming causes less snow, or more snow?”

That depends on who is asking the question and who they ask of course.

People could be forgiven for being very confused about climate hoaxer answers as compared to reality.

BobM
Reply to  Dennis
January 31, 2022 4:14 pm

Climate change, climate change, it is no longer “global warming”. And which is it, more snow or less snow? It is whatever is bad. Climate change makes every thing worse, and nothing better. That’s why Climate change, which has always happened, is now such a crisis, because the CO2 has made everything worse than before, even worse than when there was much more CO2, which hardly anyone even knows about.

Dennis
January 31, 2022 3:08 pm

Around 2012 the UK Met Office issued a media release just before Christmas Day admitting to a new cooling underway, I laughed when I read the footnote that after the cool period global warming would recommence.

Surprise, surprise, that must be what happened when the Little Ice Age ended – sarc.

Mike Maguire
January 31, 2022 3:57 pm

1-30-22 Huge Snow/ICE coming this week

https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/81050/

Reply to  Mike Maguire
January 31, 2022 11:57 pm

Weather forecasters all over it here in Tejas … expecting ice storm in the Metroplex come Wednesday afternoon on …

observa
January 31, 2022 5:28 pm

Meanwhile Down Under the watermelons face another delicate conundrum with mandates for the masses with their capitalist landlord oppressors-
‘My apartment is literally baking’: calls for minimum standards to keep Australia’s rental homes cool (msn.com)
As if RE and rental prices in our capital cities aren’t high enough you might think.

Either that or Melbourne has to paint their rooves a light colour as like Sydney that could lower the city temp by 2.4C according to the uni types and they wouldn’t have to worry about that 1.5C warmening for a while. Decisions…decisions… always more damn decisions! Life wasn’t meant to be breezy as a lefty when you take on changing global climates it seems.

Ted
January 31, 2022 6:48 pm

Any departure from average is an unusual or extreme weather event caused by climate change. And until CO2 levels return to preindustrial levels for a few decades, it will be assumed that human activity made it worse.

sturmudgeon
January 31, 2022 8:12 pm

When something is noted as “peer reviewed”, does that mean that a bunch of peeping Toms have read it?

AndyHce
January 31, 2022 10:05 pm

“So, which is it? Global warming causes less snow, or more snow?”

Obviously, Global Warming saves up the snow, then dumps it somewhere all at once.

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Ireneusz Palmowski
February 1, 2022 12:40 am

“In this case, meteorologists will have to watch the behavior of the double-barreled storm closely. If the first storm becomes a bit stronger than anticipated at this time, it could pull colder air farther to the south and east in the region just past midweek.
Such a southeastward shift in the storm’s track could deposit more cold air in its wake, and the second storm currently projected to extend rainfall for another 24 hours could instead trigger accumulating snow from Thursday to Thursday night and early Friday in part of the zone from Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, to New York City and Boston.
Just south of this zone, at roughly the same time, such a scenario could lead to ice in northern Virginia, and Maryland to New Jersey, Long Island, New York, and southern New England.”

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
February 1, 2022 1:01 am

Tomorrow’s solar wind impact on Earth’s magnetosphere could increase the energy of the tropopause jet stream.comment image

Bryan A
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
February 1, 2022 8:55 am

It’s like Ground-Hog Day all over again…
It’s like Ground-Hog Day all over again…
It’s like Ground-Hog Day all over again…

Peter K
February 1, 2022 1:22 am

Without mentioning names. Perhaps the grand wizards of climate change, that declared that there would be “no more snow”, should be the ones sued, for fraud. Just as they are currently filing suits against “deniers, sceptics.”

TonyG
February 1, 2022 8:41 am

When science produces contradictory claims, is it really science?

Has anyone ever stated clearly exactly WHAT criteria would falsify the climate change hypothesis? (Without later changing that criteria when it was met)

Ireneusz Palmowski
February 1, 2022 9:48 am

The Arctic front is now reaching Nebraska.comment image

rah
February 1, 2022 11:04 am

Tomorrow (Wednesday) I depart the yard at 04:00 for a 3 stop milk run in Chicago. First stop Skokie and last in Elk Horn and then come back to Anderson, IN.

IF I can make it up and back I will be doing that run Thursday and Friday also.

Big trucks with good tires generally do much better in deep snow than most 2 WD four-wheelers. Those big tires make a big difference. I suspect that if I don’t make it, it will be because of backups due to accidents or they shut I-65 down.

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Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  rah
February 1, 2022 11:43 am

There may be ice under the snow as temperatures on the east side of the front are above 0 C.

rah
Reply to  Ireneusz Palmowski
February 1, 2022 12:38 pm

Thanks but according to the forecast I’m looking at the freezing rain starts down here where I am near Anderson, IN and goes south from there.

Hopefully I will drive out of the area with ice as I go north on I-65. But what happens, happens and one only knows for sure when it happens when your close to the freeze line.

Here right now, it’s sunny and 50 deg. F. That wedge of heavier cold air driving the warmer air in front and over. One can feel it coming.

Ireneusz Palmowski
Reply to  rah
February 1, 2022 2:16 pm

Wet snow will begin falling overnight in Chicago.comment image

TallDave
February 1, 2022 4:46 pm

in the blue models, laws only apply to Republicans

even laws of physics

thus we will seize the guns of the law abiding with great fanfare and quietly not prosecute criminals, just as the same raindrop must be good or bad depending on whether it fall on the head of denialist or activist

Last edited 3 months ago by TallDave
Jon R
February 2, 2022 5:53 pm

It’s Weird Science Part 2

Radical Rodent
February 6, 2022 4:07 am

Climate change now causes water to freeze at +3°C – FACT!

Radical Rodent
Reply to  Radical Rodent
February 6, 2022 4:11 am

Dear WUWT: please give us access to or permission for the use of emojis…. some people might take my previous statement as serious. *glum*

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