February 2002 Hawaii blizzard. https://gml.noaa.gov/obop/mlo/webmuseum/timeline/2002febsnow.html

Alarmists Say the Funniest Things! Hawaiian “Blizzard” Edition

Guest “It’s snowing on top of Mauna Loa! Run away!” by David Middleton

Matt H. says…

Not yet convinced there’s a #climatecrisis? You must be a flat-Earther.


From The New York Times, of all sources…

Yes, It’s Snowing in Hawaii. No, It’s Not That Weird.
The National Weather Service said roughly a foot of snow was expected to fall on the Big Island summits. “We do get snow there pretty much every year,” one local meteorologist said.

By Maria Cramer Dec. 4, 2021

When the National Weather Service predicted that Hawaii could get more than 12 inches of snow over the weekend, the mere idea led to dramatic headlines, and thoughts of snow blanketing the beaches of Waikiki and surfers shivering in heavy boots and parkas.

But the wintry forecast tells a different story.

The snow is expected to fall on the Big Island summits, which rise to well over 11,000 feet — not an uncommon elevation for snow to fall, even on a tropical island.


The New York Times

Well… I guess The New York Times is now a flat-earther!

Hawaii is experiencing a Kona Low, named for the Kona side of the Big Island.

Kona Low over Hawaii

December 7, 2007

A persistent low-pressure system, known as a “Kona Low,” brought several days of high winds, heavy rains, and even blizzard conditions to parts of the Hawaiian Islands during the first week of December 2007. The storm resulted in flooding, downed power lines, and road closures, said news reports. On Oahu, winds gusted to 110 kilometers per hour (70 miles per hour). On Maui, the road to the summit of Haleakala was closed due to debris brought by heavy rains. Locally, up to 180 millimeters (7 inches) of rain were reported. On the Big Island of Hawaii, in addition to areas of heavy rain of up to 280 mm (11 inches), blizzard warnings were issued for the summits of Mauna Loa and Mauna Kea.



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December 8, 2021 2:12 pm

Ice Ages use to start from Arctic and move southwards , but we have reached ‘climate change’ tipping point, therefore no surprise that this time is the other way around.

Bryan A
Reply to  Vuk
December 8, 2021 6:35 pm

So Tropical Snowfall in Hawaii is unprecedented normal but cause for climate hysteria as is melting Tropical Glaciers in South America

December 8, 2021 2:13 pm

“The kind of extreme cold being experienced by much of the United States as we speak is a pattern we can expect to see with increasing frequency, as global warming continues.” -John Holdren, Obama’s Science Czar, 2014

Plus, more greatest hits from John Holdren:
“A massive campaign must be launched to de-develop the United States.” -John Holdren (1973), Obama’s Science Czar
“A billion people could die from global warming by 2020.” -John Holdren, 1986
“There exists ample authority under which population growth could be regulated…It has been concluded that compulsory population-control laws, even including <b>laws requiring compulsory abortion</b>, could be sustained under the existing Constitution.” -John Holdren, Obama’s Science Czar

Janice Moore
Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 8, 2021 2:22 pm

ERIC “It’s cold as [heck] in San Diego” SIMPSON!! Glad to see you are still around this place. 😃

Holdren. (head shake) Gotta keep those voters and conventional energy ratepayers behind the “green” and “renewable” energy scams. “Do it or the planet dies.” Disgusting.

Great quotes.

Reply to  Janice Moore
December 8, 2021 2:51 pm

Thanks! Great to see you too, Janice.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 8, 2021 2:30 pm

John Holdren is certifiable in exactly the same way his pal, Paul Ehrlich is. Both have years of university and learned absolutely nothing. They’re of the mentality that made the Third Reich possible.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 8, 2021 3:34 pm

Obviously neither has any ability to think or to assimilate ideas from observations of the real world.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
December 8, 2021 5:33 pm

Exactly … 🙂

Komerade Cube
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 8, 2021 8:46 pm

You make it sound as if they are innocent idiots babbling nonsense. They may be speaking nonsense, but these guys know exactly what they are doing.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Komerade Cube
December 8, 2021 8:59 pm

Holdren, possibly … but Ehrlich is a Neo-Malthusian, eugenics believing Marxist who appears to be several cards short of a full deck. Holdren is guilty of writing the foreword to his ‘magnum opus’. Perhaps it’s more likely that those who employ them know what they’re doing?

Sorry if I made them appear innocent. They don’t get away with pleading ‘diminished capacity’.

Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 9, 2021 1:17 am

Malthus was right, just ahead of his time.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Roger
December 9, 2021 9:45 am

How droll 🙂 why would you believe that?

Jon Salmi
Reply to  Komerade Cube
December 9, 2021 1:22 pm

You are right Komrade. So-called eco-scientists don’t want anyone relying on data; after all they are speaking truth that you have no right to challenge.

Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 8, 2021 11:57 pm

See also Lysenko.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Chaswarnertoo
December 9, 2021 12:06 am

Yeah … precisely. I’ve been referring to him since the ’70s, especially how he managed to set Russian science back 50 – 60 years.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 8, 2021 4:01 pm

And Holdren attacked Roger Pielke, Jr. publicly (on White House stationary) calling his Congressional testimony “outside the mainstream of science.” He never acknowledged Roger’s scientific rebuttal, much less apologized for his character assassination.

Reply to  Dave Fair
December 8, 2021 4:20 pm

Galileo Galilei was “outside the mainstream of science” too until people started to notice that “mainstream science” was wrong.

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Dave Fair
Reply to  stinkerp
December 8, 2021 4:32 pm

That example is not applicable here, stinkerp. Roger Pielke, Jr. wrote the science of normalized damage estimation. Holdren is an evil ideologue, not an upholder of the current science paradigm.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  stinkerp
December 8, 2021 5:31 pm

In a relative sense Galileo was pretty much cutting edge science in the 16th century. However, today, the reverse is true. Roger Pielke, Jr. represents science; whereas, speaking of science and John Holdren in the same breath is a travesty of scientific method.

In fact it is Holdren and those running interference for the AGW fraud who are outside real science. The “mainstream” has lost the plot.

Reply to  stinkerp
December 9, 2021 5:39 am

At the time Holdren would have held the title of prosecutor in the case of Galileo Galilei

Mike O
Reply to  DipChip
December 10, 2021 5:58 am

I believe the correct term is “Inquisitor”.

Reply to  stinkerp
December 9, 2021 6:18 am

Wasn’t it Einstein who said “It doesn’t matter if 10,000 scientists agree with me. It only takes one to prove me wrong.”

James F. Evans
Reply to  Dave Fair
December 9, 2021 12:07 pm

No, because Holdren is a political zealot posing as a scientist.

His objectivity is non-existent.

The above Holdren quotes are dispositive as to his bias.

Bryan A
Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 8, 2021 6:54 pm

WRT the “Billion” deaths (from CC) between 1986 and 2020…
In 1986 the global population was 4.9B, today we’re at over 7.9B with about 126,000 daily deaths
1000 days (3 years) would be 126,000,000 and 30 years would be 1.26B deaths.
So, in all likelihood, since 1986 there has been more than a billion deaths

Reply to  Bryan A
December 11, 2021 3:34 pm

Read the whole sentence: “A billion people could die from global warming by 2020.” -John Holdren, 1986


I’m a little embarrassed for you.

Patrick B
Reply to  Eric Simpson
December 9, 2021 7:26 am

I wish people would provide links with these types of posts. Much more credible.

Rud Istvan
December 8, 2021 2:13 pm

Another reason why global warming had to be morphed to climate change. It wasn’t warming, and you could not use Hawaii snow to declare a crisis. Now you can.

Peter Wells
Reply to  Rud Istvan
December 8, 2021 4:05 pm

But this whole business counteracts the claims of global warming due to the melting ice in the Arctic and Antarctica. What will we do for fear-mongering now!?!?!/

Dave Fair
Reply to  Peter Wells
December 8, 2021 4:35 pm

CliSciFi and its enablers will still have it both ways. Logic doesn’t matter when ideology is at stake.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Rud Istvan
December 8, 2021 4:11 pm

One would think that a budding “Woodward and Bernstein” could become famous by exposing the U.S. National Climate Assessments’ (NCA) false assertions about currently worsening weather. Journalism? Meh.

Reply to  Dave Fair
December 8, 2021 5:01 pm

Reporters had no interest in any of the crimes of Johnson or the personal excesses of Kennedy. They went after Nixon because he’s a Republican. If anything, the partisanship of the so called press corps is hundreds of times worse today.

Reply to  MarkW
December 9, 2021 2:32 pm

Well, to be honest, the minions of the head of Nixon’s campaign DID commit a crime.

Dave Fair
Reply to  David Middleton
December 9, 2021 2:08 pm

Actually, David, NCAs are wildly problematic in themselves. Read what Michaels and Knappenberger have to say about them in “Lukewarming.” Having read parts of two of them I agree with “Lukewarming.”

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Janice Moore
December 8, 2021 2:14 pm

From “MattH’s” # tags above, it’s pretty certain that he is just schlepping for some “renewable” scam — solar, wind, digital tech that supports them or the like. “BUY MY STUFF,” is all MattH is likely about. SO sick of the scammers!!!!!!

Reply to  Janice Moore
December 8, 2021 2:25 pm

MattH’s blurt probably convinced more people that econutters are truly nuts, than the few that thought he was right….keep it up, MattH.

Janice Moore
Reply to  DMacKenzie
December 8, 2021 3:16 pm

Indeed! 😄

Gerald Hanner
December 8, 2021 2:19 pm

I’ve visited both Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa in winter. My objective has been to get pictures of the snow at the peaks. It’s common most years. Haleakala is on Maui and a mere 10000 feet above sea level. It too has snowfall some winters, but not as often as the 13000+ feet above sea level of those on the Big Island

Reply to  Gerald Hanner
December 8, 2021 4:49 pm

A bush pilot in New Guinea reported snow flurries at like 15000 feet recently…and of course there is the famous Mt. Kilimanjaro snows…snow in the tropics just requires some altitude….that’s all.

Reply to  Anti-griff
December 8, 2021 5:44 pm

Snow is not uncommon on Mt Wilhelm in Papua New Gunea at less than 6°S latitude

Gregg Eshelman
Reply to  Anti-griff
December 9, 2021 12:20 am

Kilimanjaro snow has been gone at various times in the past. It *never melts* up there because the temperature up there never rises above freezing. Why it waxes and wanes is mostly due to how wet the fall to spring time of the year is in the lowlands around the mountain. When it’s dry, the air that blows up the mountain is also dry and ‘rips away’ molecules of water from the ice and snow. It sublimates. When the weather is wet in the lowlands, the air blowing up the mountain is humid and as it hits the deep freeze the moisture precipitates out as snow.

Reply to  Gregg Eshelman
December 9, 2021 12:43 am

You’re absolutely correct that snow and ice are removed from Mt Kilimanjaro by sublimation, not melting. However, this has never stopped the CAGW shills from using this as evidence for Global Warming.

Reply to  Gerald Hanner
December 9, 2021 11:33 am

Absolutely correct Gerald. Back in the late 1970’s, I was stationed with the Army’s 25th Infantry Division (Home post at Schofield Barracks, Oahu), which trains on the side of Mauna Kea at the Pohakuloa Training Area (PTA). And for sure, snow is common most years. No ski lifts, but some make the trek up to snow ski during free time. Most recently, I was back on the Big Island in March of 2018, just as Kilauea was beginning to erupt on the Mauna Loa side of the island, and plentiful snow on top of Mauna Kea.

December 8, 2021 2:54 pm

Champions League results tonight:

Zenit (Saint Petersburg, Russia) 3 – 3 Chelsea
Bayern Munich (Germany) 3 – 0 Barcelona
Wolfsburg (Germany) 1 – 3 Lille
Salzburg (Austria) 1 – 0 Sevilla

Atalanta (Bergamo, Italy) v Villarreal postponed because of snow.


Bergamo is about 30 miles slightly north east of Milan. Stayed there a couple of times in March both times lovely weather.

Global warming sucks. Just give me the old warm weather before global warming took over.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  leitmotif
December 8, 2021 3:05 pm

One of the best Italian dinners I ever had was in Bergamo, up in the old town. Summer, though.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
December 8, 2021 4:22 pm

La Città Alta, Rud. Wonderful. Fabulous in early spring too.

Reply to  leitmotif
December 8, 2021 7:54 pm

“ Global warming sucks. Just give me the old warm weather before global warming took over.”

Lol…thanks for chuckle.

Anthony Banton
Reply to  Derg
December 9, 2021 2:25 am

Don’t mention it!

Anthony Banton
Reply to  leitmotif
December 9, 2021 2:24 am

“Global warming sucks. Just give me the old warm weather before global warming took over.

Indeed so.

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Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Anthony Banton
December 9, 2021 9:08 am

Some of it is cold, some of it is warm. What’s your point?

Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
December 9, 2021 10:56 am

He doesn’t have one that is the main point

Greg in NZ
December 8, 2021 2:54 pm

Gobull Norming Causes Two-Thirds Of Polynesia To Be Covered In Snow – It’s Worse Than We Thought – Send Donations NOW!

The same day it was snowing in Hawai’i it was snowing here in New Zealand: yes it’s summer here but when you’re halfway to the South Pole, winter can happen any day. Numerous ski area webcams from the South Island showed a fresh dusting (2-4 inches) at 6,000 ft, with obviously deeper accumulations at higher altitudes – Mt Cook / Aoraki is just below the height of Mauna Kea.

If a few stray snowflakes were sighted on Easter Island / Rapanui then the Cult of Calamatists could claim: ALL OF POLYNESIA BURIED UNDER SNOW – CL!MATE CR!S!S IS REAL – SEND MONEY NWO!

(spelling mistake intentional)

Reply to  Greg in NZ
December 8, 2021 3:20 pm

My brother in NSW has just told me that it’s still winter over there. Summer officially started on 1st December down under. And they didn’t have a Spring either. It’s the La Nina double whammy having its say across the globe while Greta shouts bla bla bla. and her followers say ‘baa’.

Richard Page
Reply to  Greg in NZ
December 8, 2021 5:43 pm

It’s not snow, it’s frozen CO2 – it’s worse than we thought! sarc

Curious George
December 8, 2021 3:15 pm

I love huge areas of flood watch over the ocean. Better safe than sorry.

Don Bennett
December 8, 2021 3:57 pm

I had a winter home on the Big Island for many years (sold it in 2018). There’s a reason Mauna Kea is named that; it means “White Mountain”. I had a friend who worked at an observatory up on Mauna Kea and he talked about the snow they would have to move after the storms came through. Of course, the locals would always want to take a pickup load of snow back home and end up burning their vehicle brakes out going back down the mountain.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Don Bennett
December 8, 2021 4:15 pm

We should seek out and trust indigenous peoples’ knowledge and wisdom when making decisions about infrastructure, technology and economics.

Reply to  Dave Fair
December 8, 2021 7:26 pm

But not managing the functionality of pickup brakes apparently.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Dave Fair
December 8, 2021 8:43 pm

Apparently, the present government in Canada has a new policy in which we turn over many major decisions to the various native ‘Band Counsels’. Forestry, pipelines, mining and fisheries all come under their purview now … because they’re now considered the “protectors” of the land and traditionally know so much more about such things than “Western Colonist” governments … I kid you not!

Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 9, 2021 9:24 pm

140% of BC is under land claim as various group boundaries overlap. Presumably we will be bringing back inter tribal warfare to.settle those disputes and so might as well rentroduce the slavery that was a widespread and common byproduct of that warfare. We have already reintroduced hereditary authority where hereditary chiefs can have equal authority to elected leaders. Many indigenous communities embrace class structures wherein leaders, elected or otherwise are the entitled class while the rest of the community lives in abject poverty. Happy days ahead.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  BCBill
December 10, 2021 9:08 am

For some strange reason my response from last night has been deleted. I guess someone doesn’t approve.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Dave Fair
December 9, 2021 2:02 pm

I’d be interested if the down-voters told me their motivations.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Dave Fair
December 10, 2021 12:21 am

We should seek out and trust indigenous peoples’ knowledge and wisdom when making decisions about infrastructure, technology and economics.

I just assumed you were being sarcastic. I hope I’m right. The down voters took you at your word.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Rory Forbes
December 10, 2021 7:22 am

You’re right, Rory. Others’ knee-jerk responses are one of the joys of sarcasm.

December 8, 2021 4:13 pm

Not yet convinced that a weather event that happens every year isn’t a #climatecrisis? You must be a climate alarmist.

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Thomas Gasloli
December 8, 2021 4:18 pm

Are we sure Al Gore isn’t vacationing there? He tends to bring snow with him.😃

December 8, 2021 5:10 pm

It’s an easy google search to find the snow history on the Hawaiian islands. Even Wikipedia has a decent page of it and lists excursions to the top that were blocked by snow.

This Matt H. person – is he even real and why should he receive any attention? The Bootstrap Energy website is just a front page. Checking the address vs google maps, shows the building named as Two Turtle Creek.

That brings up Premier Workspaces that shows that suite (#1000) listed on the website as a virtual office for rent. https://www.premierworkspaces.com/texas/dallas-two-turtle-creek

Is there anything to this that is actually verifiable? Who uses LinkedIn without using their last name? Only two employees but 111 followers? Green crypto?

Oh wait, there’s the revelation – the LLC no longer exists – it forfeited existence https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_tx/0801932223 and removed him as manager (click events on that link).
Man, I love the internet!

Not picking himself by the bootstrap, I guess.

Reply to  David Middleton
December 9, 2021 12:16 am

Fair point Mr. Middleton.

Thank you for being a voice in the wilderness. I try and do my part as well. I used to live in Flagstaff, AZ and the liberal non-sense that spills out of that place without a brief glance at any history is mind boggling. I constantly add to the comment section of the newspaper regarding the climatestrology, backing it up with data/links as any good engineer would.

Robert of Texas
December 8, 2021 5:16 pm

Maybe the 12 inches of snow will put out the volcanoes, which are only erupting because of all the global warming that melted the mountain tops?

Reply to  Robert of Texas
December 8, 2021 7:29 pm

In Colorado, we would call it a foot of snow.

Reply to  Robert of Texas
December 9, 2021 12:55 am
Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  griff
December 9, 2021 1:01 am

Thanks for the humerous interlude, griff. And people say that climate alarmists have no sense of humour!

Mike Edwards
Reply to  griff
December 9, 2021 4:58 am

Global warming is having a much more profound effect than just melting ice caps – it is melting magma too.”

Wow – that sounds like some truly toasty weather! 😉

Unfortunately, it looks like we might have to wait a while:

“the volcanic activity doesn’t occur immediately after the climate change, Jegen said.
We predict there’s a time lag of about 2,500 years”


I wonder how much of our current volcanism is being caused by the sea level rise at the end of the last glacial period? 120m sea level rise is a major shifting around of weight on the Earth’s crust and mantle.

December 8, 2021 5:20 pm

Its really funny that CO2 can chill Hawaiian volcano peaks down so much while it’s busy warming the rest of the world. Is there anything it can’t do?

December 8, 2021 6:18 pm

Here’s a ski trail map for Mauna Kea.

Reply to  Rodger L. Nelson
December 8, 2021 7:31 pm

What, no poke bowl?

John Hultquist
December 8, 2021 7:44 pm

Dateline: Central Washington USA
I had an alarmist vision this morning.
About 10 AM big white flakes were in the air.
The sun was shining brightly, and the wind hit 59 mph.
I looked out the window, thinking Al Gore must have just flown by.

However, a couple of hours later there was no snow, no wind, no sun, and no Gore.
The existential threat had passed.
The weather hereabout is like that.

December 8, 2021 8:17 pm

Like a number of others here, I’ve been up Mauna Kea. At 13,000 feet the cold is stunning when combined with low oxygen. Hardly surprising that it’s snowed under every day of the year.

As for LinkedIn, that place has become a dumpster fire for ritual climatism and scientism ever since Microsoft took over ownership. It long since ceased to be about professional development and contact. It’s as littered with garbage as Fakebook. I was banned from it for scoffing at climatists one time too many.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  cgh
December 8, 2021 9:11 pm

I post lots of comments shredding alarmism
Never been blocked

December 9, 2021 12:52 am
Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  griff
December 9, 2021 1:04 am

I think it was reported, yes:

Not all the US states are seeing unseasonable warmth, however.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
December 9, 2021 9:13 am

The Graun.
Great comic, if you fancy a laugh.

Reply to  griff
December 9, 2021 2:13 pm

Yes it is called weather you know what you claim when someone points out out of season cold snaps

December 9, 2021 4:35 am

In my grandmother’s home there was a picture her brother Leonard took in December 1942, from the B 24 he was a crewman in, of the Big Island. The big pointy thing in the middle of the island was covered with snow. Imagine that.

December 9, 2021 8:55 am

I’m surprised to see that the commentors are unanimously telling him that it’s normal.

James F. Evans
December 9, 2021 12:25 pm

Just goes to show almost any weather event can be manipulated to suit AGW.

Even snow in the tropics.

I got a bridge in Brooklyn I’d like to sell you…

Steve Oregon
December 10, 2021 7:32 am

Typical NYT……
Maria Cramer has to invent some unknown stupid people having “thoughts of snow blanketing the beaches of Waikiki and surfers shivering in heavy boots and parkas”
so she can correct them with her journalistic prowess.
In truth she just assumed there must be dumb people having those thoughts while no one actually read the mountainous snow forecast as white beaches.

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