BoJo Crumbles, Drops Aussie Free Trade Climate Demands

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

In yet another blow to COP26, reports have surfaced that British COP26 host Prime Minister Boris Johnson has caved in to Aussie PM Scott Morrison’s demands to delete hard climate targets from the UK / Australian free trade agreement currently being negotiated.

UK government accused of dropping FTA climate commitments due to Australian pressure

By Europe bureau chief Steve Cannane 

When Boris Johnson and Scott Morrison announced they had finalised a trade deal between Australia and the UK it was sold as win/win deal.

Key points:

  • A leaked email purportedly shows the UK agreed to drop climate references from the FTA in a bid to appease Australia
  • Britain is due to hold the COP26 climate change summit in Glasgow at the end of next month
  • The free trade agreement between Australia and the UK could be formally signed within weeks

But now the British government is under fire for giving ground to Australia on climate change goals just months before it will be urging other nations to cut emissions when it hosts the COP26 climate change summit in Glasgow.

A leaked email from a senior official in the British cabinet office – obtained by Sky News UK – allegedly shows the Brits agreed to drop certain references to commitments from the Paris climate change agreement in a bid to appease Australia and get a free trade deal over the line.

John Sauven, the Executive Director of Greenpeace in the UK, told the ABC he had seen the email and said it shows Australia was pushing to remove references to Paris temperature commitments from the free trade agreement.

“The Australian government said they would not sign a trade agreement if those were in the trade deal and three ministers, senior ministers in the cabinet were consulted on this and the agreement was that in order to get the trade deal over the line they would remove those temperature commitments which basically underpin the Paris Agreement from the trade deal,” he said.

Read more: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-09/uk-government-accused-of-dropping-fta-climate-commitments/100445668

The funniest part of this latest blow to international climate action is it is probably the European Union’s fault.

If the European Union had not been so eager to punish Britain for leaving, Britain might have been less desperate to sign free trade agreements with Australia and other non-EU countries.

So what we have is a case of two hardline climate activist power blocks, the UK and the EU, which are so busy fighting each other, they’ve fumbled an opportunity for pressuring the rest of the world to commit to genuine climate action.

My prediction – Glasgow COP26 is going to be a total fiasco.

Between NATO fury over President Biden’s botched Afghanistan withdrawal, an ongoing feud between the green EU and green Britain, increasingly absurd demands for cash from poor countries, and China and Australia simply refusing to play ball, the only agreement I expect out of COP26 is an agreement to hold a COP27 climate conference.

Update (EW): The UK has apparently denied watering down climate commitments in the Australia / UK free trade agreement.

In a statement to SBS News, the UK government denied its trade deal with Australia abandons that ambition.

“Any suggestion the deal won’t sign up to these vital commitments is completely untrue,” a spokesperson said.

Read more: https://www.sbs.com.au/news/backlash-after-australia-watered-down-climate-change-pledge-in-uk-trade-deal/1879d7a7-ec74-404c-8b9c-b992af4ba8b4
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lee
September 9, 2021 10:14 pm

You mean no COP 26? Damn all that feasting and frivolity gone in the blink of an eye.

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Reply to  lee
September 9, 2021 10:18 pm

No, all the feasting and frivolity will remain, gone will be the inane ‘Climate Change’ garbage.

MarkW
Reply to  nicholas tesdorf
September 10, 2021 4:06 am

The ‘Climate Change’ garbage will remain, it will just be limited to speechifying, extreme virtue signaling and an agreement to do it all again in a couple of years.

Alexy Scherbakoff
September 9, 2021 10:17 pm

Common sense. A rare commodity these days.

HotScot
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 10, 2021 2:13 am

Not if it’s digital/24h.

Ruleo
Reply to  HotScot
September 10, 2021 7:20 pm

Digital is an illusion; the universe is analog.

jim duncan
September 9, 2021 10:21 pm

Perhaps the UK have woken up to the fact that Australia outperforms all the Paris Accord signatories in terms of emission reduction. Australia actually achieves its reduction targets unlike others who set targets to appease the alarmists but invariably fall short of achieving very much at all. Besides it’s all bloody nonsense until such time as China, India, Russia agree to play this silly charade of zero net emissions by 2050.

Kazinski
Reply to  jim duncan
September 9, 2021 11:53 pm

I doubt it. Boris just didn’t have the leverage to make Australia toe the line, he needed that free trade agreement a lot more than Morrison did.

They both know it’s pointless virtue signaling anyway, just the fact that the UK gets twice the ‘renewable’ out of burning imported wood chips as they do out of Solar tells you how important carbon reduction ireally is to the UK.

But don’t let me denigrate pointless virtue signaling as a factor, it’s extremely important to politicians, so I don’t want to dismiss it as a factor.

Dennis
Reply to  jim duncan
September 10, 2021 5:17 am

Australia was one of the few signatory nations to the IPCC Kyoto Agreement that achieved all emissions targets issued to Australia, and is now on track to achieve the Paris Agreement targets.

But was being pushed to do even better when most nations are not even achieving existing targets and countries like China are putting out more new emissions every year than to total emissions from Australia.

And as for that net zero emissions BS, file that under “economic vandalism”.

Ruleo
Reply to  Dennis
September 10, 2021 7:26 pm

Australia was one of the few signatory nations to the IPCC Kyoto Agreement that achieved all emissions targets issued to Australia

Umm, when the targets were a joke to begin with, of course they’d meet!

Instead of reducing its emissions by 5.2%, it successfully demanded a lenient target that meant emissions in 2012 could be 8% more than they were in 1990.

Well shucks…

and is now on track to achieve the Paris Agreement targets..

Well… about that…

Any surplus emissions reduction in the first Kyoto period could be carried over to the second period, from 2013 to 2020. In the name of climate action, five developed countries – Denmark, Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden and the UK – voluntarily cancelled their surplus credits.

However, Australia held onto its credits. Now it wants to use them to meet its Paris target – reducing emissions by 26-28% below 2005 levels by 2030.

Claims require context.

The sauce: https://archive.is/etZh1

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lee
Reply to  Ruleo
September 10, 2021 8:29 pm

And the satellites show Australia is a carbon sink. How unfortunate is that? 😉

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  jim duncan
September 10, 2021 8:02 am

If every country on the planet suddenly turned off everything, no vehicles moving, no coal or gas burning, no factories, nothing happening at all, atmospheric CO2 would continue to increase. The climate is fine, nothing extreme or unusual is happening anywhere around the world. There is no Climate Emergency. But there sure are a lot of seriously delusional clowns running around convinced the world is going to end in less than 10 years.

alastair gray
September 9, 2021 10:29 pm

I would like to hope that maybe boris is having a flash of wisdom but I doubt it. Princess NutNut will be devastated but I will chuck another lump of coal on the fire and drink a toast to a complete bollox of COP26

Leo Smith
Reply to  alastair gray
September 10, 2021 12:12 am

In our case we used to say ‘throw another art student on the fire’, it being commonly held they were only useful in terms of calorific content

Eric Vieira
Reply to  Leo Smith
September 10, 2021 1:26 am

Maybe when they’re art students from California, one can call them cal-ories…

Craig from Oz
September 9, 2021 10:42 pm

Wait?

Are we talking about Scott Fence Sitter Morrison? Prime Minister of Australia and observer to the National Cabinet?

Actually making some sort of decision?

Mariner
Reply to  Craig from Oz
September 9, 2021 11:12 pm

Actually I think he is doing a pretty good job prevaricating and saving up from being pushed into cutting our throats for the sake of a non existent problem.

HotScot
Reply to  Mariner
September 10, 2021 2:16 am

Inclined to agree with you.

JEHILL
Reply to  Mariner
September 10, 2021 5:25 am

Good job? He has practically let Australia become a police state over Wuhan Flu.

ironicman
Reply to  Craig from Oz
September 9, 2021 11:46 pm

Good afternoon Craig, the government will tell the assembled leaders that Australia is a carbon sink and (with La Nina conditions hanging about) we are net zero

Dennis
Reply to  Craig from Oz
September 10, 2021 5:20 am

Like with PM Abbott earlier PM Morrison is exposed to relentless negativity by left leaning media and they rarely publish or broadcast his achievements, like who is aware that he rejected the Marxist NGO WEF Great Reset-Build Back Better agenda, the PM said it was a nonsense and prefers to continue with free enterprise and economic prosperity.

Serge Wright
September 9, 2021 10:45 pm

I’ve been following this story for a while. Down in Oz, there is substantial political pressure from the Nats part of the LNP to reject any trade deal that contains emissions targets. Obviously the Brits needed this deal more than Oz and therefore the reality is that Boris would be forced to back down if Morrison held ground, which he did to appease the right leaning Nats. However, there is the issue of principal here that trade deals need to focus on trade and climate deals need to focus on climate and the two should never be joined, ever.

At the same time we see the UN now calling on Australia to end all coal exports pronto. Interestingly they don’t call out the countries such as India or China that purchase and burn most of that coal so the message here is that they still wish to see the coal exports coming, but from 3rd world countries such as Indonesia and Africa, indicating this is definitely not about emissions, but about wealth transfer. You can’t get a clearer message.

Looking at the geo-political situation we now see Australia as the outlier developed country that is refusing to commit climate suicide and I think a smart strategy is required in order to avoid a widespread sanctioning. One idea would be for Morrison to state he will align all post 2030 emissions targets with China, because they are the dominant global emitter and clearly state that he will bring forward net-zero from 2060 if China decides to bring forward their date, but also add that any delay from China to the 2060 date will result in a delay from Australia. If Morrison could then get the rest of the developed world to follow suit on the China emissions target alignment then you would create huge political pressure on China and it would create a checkmate situation to the Marxists end game, which is to destroy the western economies and allow China to carry on unhinged to world dominance.

Mr.
Reply to  Serge Wright
September 9, 2021 11:37 pm

Scott Machievelli?

Waza
Reply to  Serge Wright
September 9, 2021 11:44 pm

Serge
Excellent comment.
Australia exports of coal also includes Japan, Korea India and Taiwan.
Morrison could claim he is willing to work with all key coal trading partners.

griff
Reply to  Waza
September 10, 2021 1:01 am

Japan and Korea have both cancelled future new coal plant…

HotScot
Reply to  griff
September 10, 2021 2:19 am

Got any evidence for that?

Nope, thought not.

M Courtney
Reply to  HotScot
September 10, 2021 2:50 am
HotScot
Reply to  M Courtney
September 10, 2021 3:27 am

The powermag article is a PR job for S. Korea signalling its virtue. These are statements from a politician so about as credible as a fart in the wind.

As for Japan “The companies are considering building a cleaner biomass facility instead, the Nikkei said.”

And we know all about Bio Mass power stations in the UK, don’t we……

saveenergy
Reply to  HotScot
September 10, 2021 3:11 am

Like the stopped digital clock,
even griff can be right once in a while !!

HotScot
Reply to  saveenergy
September 10, 2021 3:27 am

Not a chance.

Richard Page
Reply to  saveenergy
September 10, 2021 8:56 am

Nope. South Korea is set to increase it’s LNG imports by 15% and build more gas fired power plants. Griffy swings and misses yet again.

M Courtney
Reply to  Richard Page
September 10, 2021 11:42 am

But LNG is not coal.

When someone is right it pays to admit it. Else no-one will realise you are right when they are wrong.

HotScot
Reply to  M Courtney
September 10, 2021 2:36 pm

“But LNG is not coal.”

That is truly pathetic. What a feeble means of excusing griff’s usual m0r0nic statement.

ironicman
Reply to  HotScot
September 10, 2021 8:17 pm

Griff is sort of correct, natural gas is the transition fuel flavour of the month.

Morrison tried to interest the market to build a gas fired power station in the Hunter Valley, but they refused because its not economical. So the government will underwrite its construction.

M Courtney
Reply to  HotScot
September 11, 2021 12:56 pm

1) “Japan and Korea have both cancelled future new coal plant…”
2) “ South Korea is set to increase it’s LNG imports by 15% and build more gas fired power plants. “
3) “But LNG is not coal.”

4) “That is truly pathetic. What a feeble means of excusing griff’s usual m0r0nic statement.”

Point 4 is illogical abuse. It’s nonsense.
Congratulations! You have just given Griff his 1st unequivocal win in this site.

Richard Page
Reply to  M Courtney
September 11, 2021 1:46 pm

I actually still stand by adding point 2 – the fact that South Korea isn’t increasing it’s coal share but vastly increasing it’s LNG use is still relevant to the conversation.

M Courtney
Reply to  Richard Page
September 12, 2021 1:27 am

OK. I concede that your point 2 is relevant to the real conversation.
But it’s not relevant to the secondary conversation of bullying Griff. Which is the conversation that I find unsporting.

HotScot
Reply to  M Courtney
September 14, 2021 3:47 am

Aw Diddums. Drive by griff drops in, makes statements and refuses to debate them. Principally because in the past he’s been hammered for making m0r0nic statements and ridiculous claims.

If he won’t debate he’s fair game for ridicule.

Meab
Reply to  griff
September 10, 2021 9:41 am

Intentionally misleading, griffter. While Japan has cancelled some coal plants, they have recently completed several that have ALREADY gone into operation and are working to complete several others. Japan has actually completed and is completing more coal plants than they have cancelled. Why do you constantly try to mislead, griffter?

HotScot
Reply to  Meab
September 14, 2021 3:46 am

He doesn’t mislead, he just makes stuff up.

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kzb
Reply to  Serge Wright
September 10, 2021 4:12 am

I’ve had the same idea. Instead of the ludicrous 2050 net zero target here in Britain, we should set a new target of China emissions tracking. We should state we will match percentage China reductions.

Serge Wright
Reply to  kzb
September 10, 2021 4:25 pm

Yes, it seems so obvious, and I’m surprised no leaders of the smaller emitting western countries have piled onto this idea. GB, Australia, Canada and NZ all fit into the category of a 1% emitter, or less in NZ case, and as a combined block they would apply significant political pressure to China. This would also help leaders of these countries to push obstructive climate activist groups and their supporting far left media, to the nearest Chinese embassy, as the way to speed up emissions reductions. Of course China has no intention of reducing emissions, but that is the entire point.

george1st:)
Reply to  Serge Wright
September 10, 2021 7:10 pm

Net Zero (emissions) is an impossible dream that can never come true .
Heating and cooling in a cave , let alone gathering food or skin clothing will have to be banned .
The only net zero the world is heading for is total lack of brainpower .

Jeff Alberts
September 9, 2021 11:45 pm

genuine climate action”

What does that look like?

HotScot
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 10, 2021 2:23 am

Surrendering firearms, wearing masks, taking jabs, 20 million households in the UK borrowing £100k each from the Banks to convert homes to NetZero, plundering the deep Oceans for rare earth minerals, freezing in the dark, poverty, starvation, eugenics…….

saveenergy
Reply to  HotScot
September 10, 2021 3:16 am

Rejoice … this is the promised land that the glorious leader is taking us too.
Sod the milk & honey, lets have pain & suffering.

george1st:)
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
September 10, 2021 6:26 pm

Ask the Taliban .

Herbert
September 9, 2021 11:55 pm

Not only is there no scientific basis for the claimed “2 degrees warming”.
Further we are not on track for more than ~1.1C warming this century (h/t Dr. Roy Spencer).

HotScot
Reply to  Herbert
September 10, 2021 2:27 am

And almost nothing to do with mankind:

This is the calculation. It’s basic Arithmetic, nothing fancy, no hidden agenda, just something you can do by taking your socks and shoes off.
 
Atmospheric CO2 levels in 1850 (beginning of the Industrial Revolution): ~280ppm (parts per million atmospheric content).
 
Atmospheric CO2 level in 2021: ~410ppm.
 
410ppm minus 280ppm = 130ppm ÷ 171 years (2021 minus 1850) = 0.76ppm of which man is responsible for ~3% = ~0.02ppm.
 
That’s every human on the planet and every industrial process adding ~0.02ppm CO2 to the atmosphere per year on average. At that rate mankind’s CO2 contribution would take more than 20,000 years to double which, the IPCC states, would cause around 2°C of temperature rise. That’s ~0.0001°C increase per year for 20,000 years.
 
One hundred (100) generations from now (assuming ~ 25 years per generation) would experience warming of ~0.25°C more than we have today. ‘The children’ are not threatened!
 
Furthermore, the Manua Loa CO2 observatory (and others) can identify and illustrate Natures small seasonal variations in atmospheric CO2 but cannot distinguish between natural and manmade atmospheric CO2.
 
Hardly surprising, mankind’s CO2 emissions are so inconsequential this ‘vital component’ of Global Warming can’t be illustrated on the regularly updated Manua Loa graph.
 
It’s independent of seasonal variation and would reveal itself as a straight line, so should be obvious.
 
Not even the global fall in manmade CO2 over the early Covid-19 pandemic, estimated at ~14% (14% of ~0.02ppm CO2 = 0.0028ppm), registers anywhere on the Manua Loa data.

TaDa! Climate change solved.

DMacKenzie
Reply to  HotScot
September 10, 2021 8:42 am

Hmmm, HotScot….your numbers are a bit wonky….IIRC human emissions are about 5% of the CO2 cycle annually, and the increase from 280 to 410 is in the order of half or greater due to human emissions over the last century.

HotScot
Reply to  DMacKenzie
September 10, 2021 2:16 pm

It is internationally recognised by every scientist on the planet who has any interest in climate that mankind’s CO2 emissions are around 3% – 4% of natural emissions.

Even were it 5% it makes no material difference to the calculation. Try it, assuming you can master Arithmetic.

The increase from 280 to 410 is, as far as can be internationally agreed, again by every scientist with a credible interest in climate science, the accepted data from recent observations and historic Vostock Ice Core evidence.

The numbers can never be precise, but they are within acceptable margins of error so, no, none of my numbers are “wonky” according to every meaningful science journal on the planet.

But by all means, get your finger out your ar5e, redo the calculation with your numbers and see what the outcome is before criticising my work.

Your conclusions will be little different to mine, I guarantee it.

Incidentally, IIRC is not a meaningful scientific, mathematical or Arithmetical quantity.

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Patrick MJD
Reply to  DMacKenzie
September 10, 2021 3:39 pm

That 280 pre-industrial number is an estimate. No-one actually knows as it was never measured.

HotScot
Reply to  Patrick MJD
September 14, 2021 3:52 am

Vostock ice cores indicate atmospheric CO2 was around 280 ppm. Are you saying they are unreliable?

Given that there is a margin of uncertainty around that, do the calculation yourself with, say, a 10% variable. The numbers barely change.

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  HotScot
September 10, 2021 4:01 pm

Here’s a conceptual way to think about atmospheric CO2. Consider a river that flows into a lake in a valley. It has various tributaries that provide the inflow to the lake, which are analogues of CO2 sources to the atmosphere: one of them is a stream that is the analogue of fuel burning as a CO2 source. Water leaves the lake by evaporation and over a dam spillway, which are analogues of CO2 sinks. Variation in the inflows gets matched by variation in the outflows. If it’s rainier upstream, more water goes over the spillway. We’re assuming that there is always more water inflow than the amount of evaporation. The volume of the lake (representing atmospheric CO2 content) remains unchanged, despite variations in the flows.

Now consider some mechanism that increases the height of the spillway slowly. Water continues to flow through the system but the volume of the lake increases. The increase in volume is independent of the flow on the inflow river and its stream tributary. Now, the climate alarmist position is that the rate of increase of the height of the spillway is magically linked to the inflow on the stream – mechanism unspecified.

HotScot
Reply to  It doesn't add up...
September 14, 2021 4:00 am

That’s why I used irrefutable numbers within a straightforward Arithmetical calculation. It’s as factual as one can get.

It’s also straightforward enough that any member of the public with rudimentary control of a calculator can replicate it.

The problem scientific sceptics have is they only talk to scientists, few bother to communicate with the general public.

Being that the scientifically literate form, I would guess, something less than 10% of the planets inhabitants, it means in a political perspective the debate can never be won by sceptics because the total voting audience is only 10%.

Alarmists, on the other hand, address the remaining 90% with propaganda which everyone understands.

The debate will never be won by scientists, it will be won by voters.

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Hasbeen
September 10, 2021 12:05 am

As an Ozzie my rating of my government just went up about 10%. Granted from a pretty low base, but they could be improving.

Long live Barnaby Joyce, the recently reappointed leader of the Nationals.

Dennis
Reply to  Hasbeen
September 10, 2021 5:24 am

Obviously the UK and UN did not consider the significant export earnings value of coal for Australia and, one example, the new Adani Coal Mine in Queensland that will export high grade coal to India for many future decades for coal fired power stations to generate electricity for the many areas in India without electricity.

And that over 70 per cent of electricity in Australia is from coal fired power stations.

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Hasbeen
September 10, 2021 1:26 pm

Setting an example for New Zealand, where our Dear Leader is still chasing “Elimination”, to the cheers of the ignorant masses of sheeple.

Leo Smith
September 10, 2021 12:10 am

THANK you Australia.

What with arguments about opening a new coal mine, and coal power stations being taken out of mothballs as a huge high pressure zone shuts down wind power, gas prices through the roof…and a miserable cold wet summer being hailed as the ‘hottest on record (just not where you were living of course) …

…Could 2021 be the year that reality dawns on the British electorate?

alastair gray
Reply to  Leo Smith
September 10, 2021 12:55 am

I think it already has but the nitwits on the other side also swallowed an awful lot of the kool aid to so we have no leaders of sanity to turn to. The charabang is well and truly headed for the precipice

HotScot
Reply to  Leo Smith
September 10, 2021 2:30 am

We also note XR have their annual protestfest in August, never in cold, wet February.

Mike Lowe
Reply to  HotScot
September 10, 2021 1:28 pm

OZ or UK “cold February”?

HotScot
Reply to  Mike Lowe
September 10, 2021 2:18 pm

UK, I should have been more specific. Apologies.

eo
September 10, 2021 12:19 am

While politicians loves to support domestic agenda that gather the voters no matter how unrealistic it is, the politicians are all aware the realities on the ground requires them to support the contrary agenda especially if it is on foreign policy as the contrary agenda will be an essential and practical counter balance to the unrealistic domestic agenda. Take the case of Biden domestic agenda to practically discourage the expansion of domestic fossil industry and would be unrealistic if the whole world does the same as fossil fuel is the mainstay of the present civilization. So in terms of foreign policy, it is encouraging and urging foreign fossil fuel producing countries to increase their production to cover up for the lost domestic supply. The same thing holds true for the UK/Australia, EU/Australia trade deals. While UK and EU leaders will be too happy whipping Australia as the recalcitrant country in terms of carbon emission reduction targets they are hoping all along, Australia will have a thick skin and will not succumb to their whipping because if Australia succumbs they will be in a great mess. It is the same thing with the China. The countries taking the moral high ground in reducing their carbon emissions and touting zero carbon economies are just to happy China (India and other countries) are taking the carbon dioxide emitting industries as part of the global supply chain providing vital components to their domestic economies. It is just like the all the climate change commentators condemning the hydrocarbon and carbon industry knowing fully well they their livelihood and they themselves are fully wrapped in items made from the materials they are condemning.

saveenergy
September 10, 2021 12:23 am

“My prediction – Glasgow COP26 is going to be a total fiasco.”

Just like the previous 25.

Except this year, I suspect they may cancel at last minute, (citing covid to save face).

I know some ‘greens’ who are now really worried that if it is canceled, the movement will lose momentum as the “unprecedented global climate crises” is looking like a non-event to people who’ve had to have heating on for much of this ‘summer’, despite the wall to wall propaganda ( the BBC mentions ‘climate change’ in every news program & almost all other programs including a Radio 3 interview of a violinist talking about Bach’s violin music !!! ).

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alastair gray
Reply to  saveenergy
September 10, 2021 12:58 am

I think that you are right. A face saving cover your ass strategy. Gives us more time though to ridicule the whole absurd pantomime

Reply to  saveenergy
September 10, 2021 1:32 am

COP failure is heavily political, many are in the Brit bashing line, EU, SNP, USA (Biden) and much of the UK establishment itself. The stars are aligned for a massive failure, can’t wait for it, some respite from the avalanche of hype, some other poor country will go through it for the next COP.

Brazil made a wise choice to cancel its recent one.

HotScot
Reply to  saveenergy
September 10, 2021 2:33 am

Far better that it goes ahead and ends in the usual fiasco. Much more mileage there. But I do take your point that may be avoided using covid as cover.

Mike Lowe
Reply to  HotScot
September 10, 2021 1:32 pm

That might have applied if the MSM were to report the truth. That’s unlikely!

Dave Andrews
Reply to  saveenergy
September 10, 2021 9:17 am

Have you never listened to Bach’s Cantata for Gaia?

It doesn't add up...
Reply to  saveenergy
September 10, 2021 4:07 pm

I hope the violinist had the wit to suggest that Bach’s writing was influenced by the LIA.

KAT
September 10, 2021 12:27 am

Boris Johnson ridiculing “global warming” angst December 2015.

I can’t stand this December heat, but it has nothing to do with global warming (telegraph.co.uk)

griff
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 10, 2021 1:00 am

Except Eric there’s been a moratorium on wind turbines on English countryside

HotScot
Reply to  griff
September 10, 2021 2:34 am

Scotland isn’t England.

Bill Toland
Reply to  HotScot
September 10, 2021 3:58 am

Unfortunately, the number of onshore wind turbines in Scotland is planned to double over the next decade. Griff seems to be under the delusion that England is the same as Britain.

https://scotlandagainstspin.org/2021/09/thousands-more-wind-turbines-planned-for-scots-countryside-sunday-times/

griff
Reply to  Bill Toland
September 10, 2021 7:30 am

Most of yer actual tories live in England though…

HotScot
Reply to  griff
September 10, 2021 2:24 pm

You’re a socialist then, and enjoy the subjugation of the individual by the state.

That explains a lot of your delusional rantings.

And could you count it would be obvious that most socialists in the UK also live in England.

But then Scotland has it’s own parliament, in which the SNP has a majority (just about) so what have Tories to do with anything?

MarkW
Reply to  griff
September 10, 2021 4:12 am

griff, even if true, is not responsive to the point made.

Richard Page
Reply to  griff
September 10, 2021 9:01 am

Which has been completely and utterly ignored when it suits the Green crowd – what do you think the mass protests against the wind farm project in Surrey were all about? People didn’t want the turbines and were horrified that the proposed site was arable cropland. It’s been a con job all along.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Richard Page
September 10, 2021 9:36 am

NIMBY always wins out.

Fran
Reply to  Richard Page
September 10, 2021 1:00 pm

This talk by Mariana Alves-Periera on infrasound is well worth listening to. There is now evidence of severe physical damage from low frequency waves, and non-invasive diagnostic methods to assess it. In the comments she points out that even around offshore wind farms marine life moves away – unlike oil platforms which act as artificial reefs.

http://en.friends-against-wind.org/health/infrasound-lfn

John Endicott
Reply to  griff
September 14, 2021 6:34 am

Eric: “The people who are making big money out of the green revolution in Britain are people who own vast tracts of windswept land, and the companies which fill them with wind turbines of course”
Griff: “Except Eric there’s been a moratorium on wind turbines on English countryside”

Britain encompasses more than just England. Learn some geography and geopolitics.

kzb
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 10, 2021 3:51 am

There will be virtually zero new land-based wind generation in Britain. It will all be offshore. This policy dates back many years now, do keep up. Griff is correct on this one.

Bill Toland
Reply to  kzb
September 10, 2021 4:01 am
griff
Reply to  Bill Toland
September 10, 2021 7:30 am

‘England’ is a separate entity to ‘Scotland’ within the UK.

Bill Toland
Reply to  griff
September 10, 2021 8:29 am

Eric Worrall’s post referred to Britain. For some reason, you keep talking about England. I think that you confused the two in your reply to him and you are now trying to extricate yourself from your mistake without actually admitting your error.

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MarkW
Reply to  Bill Toland
September 10, 2021 9:28 am

griff is well known for cherry picking the data that best fits his agenda.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
September 14, 2021 6:32 am

Even when the cherries he picks don’t fit his agenda, he claims they do.

Richard Page
Reply to  griff
September 10, 2021 9:04 am

Indeed it is and Wales is also a different country before you get all pissy when I mention the proposed onshore wind farms near Powys. It’s all Britain though.

HotScot
Reply to  griff
September 10, 2021 2:25 pm

No it isn’t pillock. It has a Devolved government. Look it up.

kzb
Reply to  Bill Toland
September 10, 2021 9:23 am

Well the Scots have a lot more room than England. The vast expansion of wind power required to meet our targets is offshore. Many thousands of square miles are needed, quite comparable to the total land area of Scotland, but out in the North Sea.

Bill Toland
Reply to  kzb
September 10, 2021 9:48 am

Scotland’s area is 30 thousand square miles and England is 50 thousand square miles. Despite this, the majority of wind turbines in Britain are in Scotland. The vast majority of the electricity from Scotland’s wind farms is exported to England. Scotland is being despoiled by thousands of these bird mincing monstrosities for no benefit to Scotland. You seem quite happy for thousands more wind turbines to be built in Scotland and none to be built in England. You really don’t seem to like Scotland very much.

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HotScot
Reply to  Bill Toland
September 10, 2021 2:33 pm

Awwww, that’s not fair. He just doesn’t know us Haggis munching, Whisky drinking, Kilt wearing Barbarians very well.

I would be happy to give him an introduction. A short one.

HotScot
Reply to  kzb
September 10, 2021 2:30 pm

Sorry? You jumped from “Scots have a lot more room” to “our targets”.

If Scotland ever did win independence, how about they hold the UK to ransom for what little unreliable electricity they can provide.

You are a scientific and political simpleton.

KAT
Reply to  KAT
September 10, 2021 1:51 am

Pre-matrimonial Boris Johnson views on climate change. He appears to be feeling the heat a bit more these days.

9 times Boris Johnson showed he doesn’t get climate change – Left Foot Forward: Leading the UK’s progressive debate

Mike Lowe
Reply to  KAT
September 10, 2021 1:36 pm

What changed/ Carrie?

Coeur de Lion
September 10, 2021 12:51 am

I do hope all the Ivorians and Balinese will have been vaccinated and will bring a face mask. Glaswegians keep WELL CLEAR

griff
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
September 10, 2021 12:59 am

so long as attendees from the viral hotspots of the American south do the same, they should be OK. Ivorians much more likely to agree to be vaccinated than Americans…

Derg
Reply to  griff
September 10, 2021 2:58 am

No kidding, look at Israel, their stormtroopers are highly vaccinated and they can’t stop the Covid.

MarkW
Reply to  Derg
September 10, 2021 4:13 am

Love the way the anti-semites just try to slip their bigotry through.

mikewaite
Reply to  MarkW
September 11, 2021 1:12 am

Its not bigotry , but revealing publicly available data eg world -in – data
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations.
The case of Israel is particularly interesting when it’s data is compared to that of Palestine.
Full vaccination latest figures : Israel : 63% , Palestine : 9%
Confirmed cases/ million : Israel: 850. Palestine: 500
Confirmed deaths/million: israel: 2.8, Palestine: 2.2
So vaccination is not the complete solution to the Covid problem .
You might also look at the records for various Equatorial , west africa states , including th poor , eg Niger and relatively well developed Nigeria. They have very low vaccination rates, so Covid should run riot. It doesn’t . Check it out for yourself.

Mason
Reply to  griff
September 10, 2021 6:29 am

Griff, we would not be having this problem if the dunce in chief would close the border. Our problems stem from the massive influx of cases from Latin America. OBTW, the real hidden issue is with POC’s refusal to take the shot.

griff
Reply to  Mason
September 10, 2021 7:29 am

Really? surely the transmission is taking place between existing state residents, including in states far from the Mexican border…

And from events like this
South Dakota Covid cases quintuple after Sturgis motorcycle rally (nbcnews.com)

Dave Fair
Reply to  griff
September 10, 2021 10:24 am

Over 500,000 people attended the rally in the small town of Sturgis in the sparse county of Meade in the State of SD with a 2019 population of less than 885,000 people. Get a grip, suburban and urban dwellers.

The numbers cited came from one location over two week periods both before and after the rally, a timeframe where ChiCom virus infections were on the rise nationally. For Meade Co. the 2-week pre-rally period had 20 cases and the post-rally period had 330 cases. The reporting has a “small numbers, big percentage” statistical problem. ‘Lies, damned lies and statistics.’

Over the post-rally period, SD’s case rate was in the lower half of the U.S. States’ rates. In fact, the number of cases directly related to the rally cited by SD health officials totaled 16.

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MarkW
Reply to  griff
September 10, 2021 12:55 pm

How many cases were caused by Obama’s mask free birthday party?

Chris Hanley
September 10, 2021 12:57 am

“…Our ambitious trade deal with Australia will include a substantive article on climate change which reaffirms both parties’ commitments to The Paris Agreement and achieving its goals, including limiting global warming to 1.5 degrees …” (UK government spokesperson via ABC).
According to a report at The Global Warming Policy Foundation (GWPF) site:
“Recent reports in the British media suggested that Boris Johnson may be considering to abandon his 1.5C goal in order to avoid a COP-flop in Glasgow in November”.
As has been noted here often ‘1.5C’ was a number extracted from someone’s orifice for which there is absolutely no scientific rationale.

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Ed Zuiderwijk
September 10, 2021 12:59 am

CO27 will be the very, very, very-very last chance to save the world lest we all die. Perhaps a dollup of WD40 could lubrucate the talking.

Mason
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
September 10, 2021 6:30 am

Or Glenfiddich

Richard Page
Reply to  griff
September 10, 2021 9:10 am

Never been terribly fond of Glenfiddich – much prefer the single malts from the western isles.

Dave Fair
Reply to  griff
September 10, 2021 10:44 am

Woo-hoo! Take your waste product (currently a cost), use some amount of heat energy (CO2?) to convert it to NG, use some amount of heat energy (CO2?) to compress it, substitute it for gas or diesel in you small-in-number delivery vehicles, still produce CO2 while burning it, don’t mention the costs and call yourself hero of the environment.

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Richard Page
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
September 10, 2021 9:09 am

You could use a tanker load of K-Y and it still wouldn’t make much difference.

beng135
September 10, 2021 1:08 am

Trump did the orange hair better…..

Derek Wood
September 10, 2021 1:20 am

Princess Nut-nuts won’t be happy about this, he’s probably made this decision unilaterally, I predict a U-turn – or a divorce!

H B
Reply to  Derek Wood
September 10, 2021 3:23 am

Fantastic hope she lives up to her name put up with it Boris

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Richard Page
Reply to  Derek Wood
September 10, 2021 9:11 am

Or a 10 year dry spell for BoJo!

Peta of Newark
September 10, 2021 1:30 am

Welcome to ‘Brain Ache’

Quote from the Google:”People also ask (Peta just wondered) What are Australia top 10 exports?
The 10 Biggest Exporting Industries in Australia

  1. Iron Ore Mining in Australia. …
  2. Oil and Gas Extraction in Australia. …
  3. Coal Mining in Australia. …
  4. Liquefied Natural Gas Production in Australia. …
  5. Gold and Other Non-Ferrous Metal Processing in Australia. …
  6. Meat Processing in Australia
  7. Grain Growing in Australia
  8. Alumina Production in Australia
  9. Pharmaceutical Product Manufacturing in Australia
  10. Copper, Silver, Lead and Zinc Smelting and Refining in Australia

Excuse me but, why the <expletive> does the UK require a trade deal with Australia?

We have got and can already do the first 7 things on that list. Easily and they are what (originally made) Great Britain. Not really but you know what I mean.

For example(s)
#1 Cumbria, my old haunt is sat on huge amounts of Iron and as we all saw from COP26 rumpus recently, some fantastically good coal

#2 Where I am there are 3 working oil wells and at least 2 gas wells within 3 miles radius of my house. Some the most insanely rich Nat. Gas fracking is to be had barely 10 miles away

#3 Nottinghamshire is as equally famous for Robin Hood as it is for its epic coal reserves (not forgetting Shirley – translate as “Shire Wood” = Sherwood Forest
And here’s you thinking Robin was dating someone name of ‘Marian’
No, Robin was going-out with Marian but staying-in with Shirley

#6 Labour Shortage. Good grief

#7 Have we gone completely mad? Why ship grain from Aus, grown at 1 tonne per acre when we can grow wheat ##, as a matter of course, here at 5 tonnes per acre with ease and barley at nearly 6 tonnes per acre

## The madness is completed with the broken window fallacy. A lot of UK wheat goes into a Biofuel factory (near Sunderland in the NE of England) and the resultant ‘stuff’ is added to petrol. Since the 1st Sept at 10%, previously 5%.
And when its in the petrol, it trashes fuel economy and goes on to wreck engines. And their entire fuel & filter systems by attracting water, making mould, other fungus & stink and ultimately: Acetic Acid / vinegar.
Thus the alcohol wrecks anything ‘organic’ (**) within your motor and the acid wrecks everything metallic.
So they buy oil and metals from Australia to fix the mess they themselves created and thus make an even bigger mess
sigh

** That includes such luminaries as BoJo himself -(sorry Boris, it the same stuff in Prosecco as it is mixed into petrol) and if this story ain’t proof enough, what is?

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kzb
Reply to  Peta of Newark
September 10, 2021 3:47 am

It’s about price. Aus can supply these things at a cheaper price it’s as simple as that. Britain is about free trade not protectionism.
Anyhow we need all the land for housing immigrants and siting solar PV farms. It’smore economically advantageous to concrete over the farmland for development and leave the primitive industries such as food production and basic industries to cheaper countries.

Dennis
Reply to  kzb
September 10, 2021 5:29 am

It’s also about UK exports and access to Australian consumers.

And defence arrangements, the UK is the second largest foreign investment source behind the US in Australia.

Then consider that the UK is trying to sign free trade agreements with most of the Commonwealth of Nations member countries, the countries the UK turned its back on when they joined the EEU/EU.

Reply to  kzb
September 10, 2021 12:08 pm

kzb
Your point is noted; this highlights how cheap ocean transport is.
Day of the Merchant Seafarer earlier this month.
Some countries still very ifffffy about merchant seafarers being relieved – i.e. going home at [or well after] the end of their contracted months [6-9-12, plus with the WuFlu].
Yet those countries need the goods to be imported or exported.

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Mike Lowe
Reply to  auto
September 10, 2021 1:45 pm

Be wary of criticising seafarers – you might be surprised to know how many of them swallowed the anchor!

Richard Page
Reply to  Peta of Newark
September 10, 2021 9:16 am

It’s also highly political. The more free trade agreements we have with other countries, the more we can rub the EU’s nose in it. It’s quite pathetic in a way, but that’s what we’ve got, just have to make the best of it.

Ed Zuiderwijk
September 10, 2021 1:38 am

No offence Eric but looking over the writings about this saga, here and elsewhere, you’d almost think they are talking about a real problem. They are not. CO2 is not a climate driver in the grand scheme of things; at best emissions are a small unimportant pertubation on the energy balance of the planet. The whole discussion is therefore similar to the one about how many angels do fit on a pinhead.

Perhaps Morisson should take a leaf out of Putin’s book and just state that his government considers CO2 emission harmless additions. Why? Because our scientists say so and we have better scientists than the clowns who wrote the AR6 summary for policymakers. Vladimir never said so explicitly but it is his de-facto position.

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Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 10, 2021 4:10 am

Thanks for that, Eric. It shows that determination of the position of the tree line at ground level are a more reliable proxy for temperature variation than tree rings of individual trees.

Also from site explorations along the route most likely taken by Hannibal and his elephants through the Alps we know that at the time the tree line vertically was some 400 meter higher than today. In terms of temperature at sealevel that translates to almost 2C warmer.

Galileo9
September 10, 2021 1:43 am

If it’s cancelled surely the COP26 delegates will be able to claim out of pocket expenses? Things like booked private jets that sort of thing. It’s only fair wouldn’t you say?

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Richard Page
Reply to  Galileo9
September 10, 2021 9:19 am

Yeah but from who? If no-one is willing to stump up for the Green fund, they won’t stump up for these either.

Galileo9
Reply to  Richard Page
September 10, 2021 12:47 pm

If no one is willing to pay then I expect the world (as they know it) will be ending in the worst possible scenario. Apocalyptic Financial climate change (the worst kind, and we only have a few months to act!).

Stephen Skinner
September 10, 2021 1:55 am

The format for the COP heading is wrong. It should be 3 digits such as COP 026, instead of COP 26, because that will allow for future expansion up to 999 meetings.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
September 10, 2021 2:20 am

COP could also be considered a contraction of CodswallOP, a term when used in conversation makes people run to their dictionairies.

John Endicott
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
September 14, 2021 6:41 am

That would be depressing. Bad enough this political boondoggle will continue on through double digit meetings, let alone triple digit.

Herbert
September 10, 2021 2:31 am

Has anyone yet trademarked “The Fiasco in Glasgow”?

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Herbert
September 10, 2021 2:34 am

Isn’t ‘fiasco’ implicit in ‘Glasgow’?

Richard Page
Reply to  Herbert
September 10, 2021 9:28 am

A translation of Glasgow from the original Brythonic means ‘place of the Green hollow’ – given the other available synonyms for hollow, I would like to raise my glass to Glasgow, ‘place of the Green depression’.

bonbon
September 10, 2021 2:56 am

Judge roasts John Cleese: If you have nothing to talk about, why do you have the meeting?

Derg
September 10, 2021 3:00 am

“ allegedly shows the Brits agreed to drop certain references to commitments from the Paris climate …”

My BS detector is on high alert.

kzb
September 10, 2021 3:24 am

This article has a very odd way of looking at things.
Firstly, was this UK/Aus FTA not signed sealed and delivered several months back?
To say that Boris “caved in” is a funny way of putting it. The man is not interested in details he just wants the headline of the FTA being agreed. He does not read what he is signing up to, as has been demonstrated amply with the Brexit deal.
A far bigger cave-in was to our own farming lobby. The farmers who are fine with a EU FTA which lets in huge amounts of Irish beef, but were going to be wiped out by cheap Aus beef imports. Boris caved in to these subsidy farmers to such an extent that consumers will see hardly any benefit from cheaper foods, one of the key promises of the Brexit campaign.
To say the Aus/UK deal wouldn’t have happened if the EU had been a bit nicer is just BS. The key advantage of Brexit is being able to negotiate our own bespoke bilateral trade deals. This is the number one economic advantage that we were promised by the Brexiters. So they are always going to happen.

griff
Reply to  kzb
September 10, 2021 7:25 am

The key advantage of Brexit is being able to negotiate our own bespoke bilateral trade deals.

a pity then that all we have done so far is renegotiate the deals we had via the EU, only a little bit worse, with some added cheese sales to lactose intolerant nations…

kzb
Reply to  griff
September 10, 2021 9:18 am

Hang on, the Australia deal is additional to the EU rolled-over deals. There are more in the pipeline as well.

LdB
Reply to  griff
September 13, 2021 1:38 am

But you keep telling us the UK is so advanced Griff

kzb
September 10, 2021 4:00 am

I’m surprised no-one on this site has picked up on the 2.5% tax increase voted through in the UK yesterday. There is no transparency where this money will end up. Something that will be worth investigating after COP26, where Boris will be showering many “poor” countries with bribes, supposedly to reduce their CO2 increases.
After giving our money away like this, COP26 will be labelled a great success because of the supposed reduced future CO2 emissions.
But is this largesse actually being funded via increased social security taxes, under the cover of improving social care for old people?

kzb
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 10, 2021 9:40 am

A lot of us living here are horrified also ! Even voting in a Tory government has not slowed down the deluge of nonsense. What I was getting at was, is this national insurance increase actually a Climate Levy in disguise?

Mike Lowe
Reply to  Eric Worrall
September 10, 2021 1:53 pm

That’s why many of us departed those shores decades ago, in search of political sanity as well as sunshine. Nice to return occasionally, to visit the Museum!

Sara
September 10, 2021 4:56 am

“My prediction – Glasgow COP26 is going to be a total fiasco.” – article

Wait – what? Fiasco???

Eric, you’re scaring me. Reason and sanity might replace the nutballism going on right now.

II woke to a 5AM temp of 50F. Too chilly. I may have to run the furnace before long.

The whole world is going topsy-turvy and Eric uses reason and sanity in one article.

DADDY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We should have planted more popcorn!!!!

MJB
September 10, 2021 5:06 am

My prediction – Glasgow COP26 is going to be a total fiasco”

I agree with you but this is a sort of ‘shooting fish in a barrel’, ‘sun rises in the east’, type of prediction.

Every COP is a total fiasco.

Dennis
Reply to  MJB
September 10, 2021 5:31 am

Another Copenhagen … Copenfloppin.

Gerry, England
September 10, 2021 5:50 am

The lying oaf Johnson has no cards to play and is desperate to sign trade deals to cover for his botched Brexit. He has been very lucky that the Chinese provided Covid to shut down the European economies and hide the problems. But as normality returns he faces a whole load of trouble, and that doesn’t include breaking manifesto promises and raising taxes to highest level in history.

griff
Reply to  Gerry, England
September 10, 2021 7:23 am

Exactly!

LdB
Reply to  Gerry, England
September 12, 2021 6:59 am

Australian trade prices for most commodities is at all time high except probably wine which China actually managed to hurt with tariffs on. So I think the most we have to offer the UK is some cheap wine to drown your sorrows, I doubt you will like the price of everything else.

Keith Rowe
September 10, 2021 6:15 am

COP26 is becoming Cope26.

Mike Lowe
September 10, 2021 1:14 pm

Well done – ScoMo defeats BoJo! I’ve come to the conclusion that ScoMo does not believe the climate warming hoax, but cannot openly say that for political reasons. Regretfully, I cannot believe that here in NZ where our saintly but misguided PM still believes that nonsense. However, training as a burger flipper was not good training for understanding science!

ResourceGuy
September 10, 2021 1:34 pm
michael hart
September 10, 2021 1:55 pm

If true, then good on Australia. They have been one of the English-speaking nations that have been one of the most concerns for falling under the green spell in recent years.

Arthur Betke
September 10, 2021 2:01 pm

 “…they’ve fumbled an opportunity for pressuring the rest of the world to commit to genuine climate action.”
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GENUINE climate action??? LOL, there’s no such thing!

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Patrick MJD
September 10, 2021 3:09 pm

The UK is now reaping the effects of ditching trade with Australia and New Zealand in the 70’s when the UK was taken in to the Common Market by Heath.

Matthew Sykes
September 11, 2021 2:12 am

Boris is a massive disappointment. We didn’t vote for this green crap, we didn’t vote for Carrie and we didn’t vote for tax rises, especially when the country still spends billions on foreign aid to places like China and India!

We voted for Cummings if truth be known, the architect of Brexit, but Boris’ wife got him thrown out and took power herself.

Boris is a mistake.

Ed Fox
September 11, 2021 7:37 am

The first and most important item on every conference agenda is always approval for the next conference.

The next item is hotels, meals and entertainment.

And far down the list a couple of entries tacked on at the last minute covering the conference itself.

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