
This post comes from an email I received from Joe. He has no changes from yesterday’s forecast.
In snowstorm forecasts, until it starts snowing, there is always some kind of negative sentiment. and rightly so. So many forecasts have not panned out and until the snow is on the ground, it does not verify.
By Joe Bastardi
I have been getting texts and emails, and rightly so, many with great points, since Henri has not yet done what I expect it to do, as to why it will not. Yesterday, sentiment was the opposite since we were so far ahead on this.
But let me be clear as to why this is the storm I have always feared. A lot of it has to do with its end game in the forecasting.
Most hurricanes that hit the NE are hugging land, drawing dry air into them. Henri is plainly not doing that. Carol and 38 went well east of Hatteras and did not weaken as much. 44, Donna, Belle, and Gloria hugged the coast more and weakened, as did Irene
Henri is in its own world. It is nowhere near as strong as those storms were at 35 north, But it is further out over the water. and it’s coming into an area with improving outflow. Gerda in 1969 shocked the daylights out of forecasters going from a minimal hurricane to a major over water colder than currently in 12 hours It went over Nantucket lightship with 120 mph winds.
But this storm, this is the storm my father always used to talk about. Dad got his degree in 1965 when he was 35 and I was 10. But even before that he would often talk about the idea that there was no reason a storm could not hit New England moving west of north. In fact, and this likely, because of his observations from the big hit years of the 30s, 40s, and 50s, he would say that it was only a matter of time,
In 1903 a hurricane hit Atlantic City from the southeast. We saw Sandy in 2012, (don’t get me started on the Post Tropical designation). 1933 hit Virginia Beach from the southeast, Fran was still moving west of north over Pennsylvania back in 1996.
So until tomorrow morning, the potential tightening parameter and the angle of attack is a big problem., A minimal hurricane weakening to TS has a 3-5 toot surge. However, the stronger scenario can increase that.
Finally, while this season’s Fred did not make hurricane, it did go from 1009mb to 993.6mb. Henri was 991mb on the morning recon. but at 6:30 pm had dropped to 989 MB. If it falls under 975 MB it would indeed be on top of the Cat 2 we have.
Grace just exploded coming to the coast. Feedback is a wild thing. You have 2 attitudes on that, You have me, biased toward the extreme, always looking for it because I understand the power of nature and like Neil Frank used to say, the ability to make the forecaster look like a fool and be humbled, vs today when we see people express shock or blame climate change. The 931mb on the hurricane model was never going to be reached but it did tell us that the parameters are there for deepening. The weather loves just as much to go to extremes as it does to go the opposite way.
Years ago I would get on the late Rush Limbaugh’s case when he claimed the National Hurricane Center overhyped storms, That was total nonsense and I did my best to communicate via backchannels, suggesting he go over to NHC and meet the forecasters. Part of this was my beef thru the years that storms in close were underplayed more than overplayed.
My point is there is no bias toward hype at NHC. right or wrong they are straight shooters. I am more biased toward the extreme because the weather loves to go to the extreme, though it does not do it all the time, when it does it’s not because of climate change or whatever. Is Henri going to be an example?, All the players are there, and so is my concern. But it would not be climate change. just nature doing what it is capable of doing

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OHHHH yeah you do. And you’re saying that with a straight face…
Ocean temps at the Block Island, Rhode Island buoy went from 75F at midnight 8/21 to 66F just 17 hrs later. Guess Henri did its thing on sucking energy out of the water.
Not only sucking energy out but reflecting energy from getting in. Tropical storms are the back-up vent valve when the primary control valve of cyclic cloudburst moves out of the ITCZ and into the higher latitudes.
Forecasts wrong again.
Predicted to hit as a hurricane.
Didn’t even hit as a Tropical Storm.
The NHS called it a tropical storm at landfall, but Windy.com only showed 30kt winds.
I am in boston today. Everything has been cancelled because of forecasts. Its barely rained here
The storm track i see online now shows the storm over scranton pa.
They are still predicting a hook east. But they have really been wrong so far.
They cannot chart a hurricane less than 24 hrs out. But believe them for 30 yrs of climate change.
Right
Joe Bastardi is just wrong. The NHC hypes every TS, no exceptions. When they say 75 MPH, the stations on the ground at the same moment say 40 MPH. I understand they want to err on the side of caution, but their predictions are always way wrong, and always much worse than reality. Cape Cod today: intermittent sunshine, no rain, 20 MPH SSE, no storm surge at all. Predicted 6 hours before: 80% chance of 40 MPH, and 3′ to 5′ storm surge. Had I not seen a forecast, I would have been unaware that anything at all was ‘happening’. The NHC needs to get its act together, pull up their big boy pants, and start making realistic predictions, not hyped scare stories. We get enough of the scare stories from climate ‘scientists’.
The stations on the ground tend not to be in the eyewall, where the max winds are.
Please point me to the videos showing massive roof, tree, sign and awning damage from tropical storm force winds of sustained 70kt force.
Didn’t happen.
Yeah. The NHC downgraded Henri to a tropical storm before landfall. IIRC, they set the sustained wind speed at 55 kt. Even Joe estimated about 81 mph (73 kt) at landfall, hist forecast was always an outlier and I didn’t expect it to verify. Where did you find that 70 kt figure?
My point was that ground wind speed data at landfall is almost always less than the eyewall wind speed the NHC estimates. I haven’t bothered to check for Henri to see if that held with him.
I watched a hurricane last year in the Bahamas. Three stations at airports on the ground were all supposed to be in the region of maximum wind; their winds were very far below (30 MPH) what the NHC said the winds were. If there was a place were those predicted winds happened, it was nowhere near where the storm center actually passed. Maybe NHC just needs to be more up front about the difference between maximum possible winds and likely winds. Or maybe they just need to stop the scare stories.
Heck, you can just read how their TS discussion pages are written to understand the bias…. they always sound like the forecaster is hunting for a reason why the storm may grow in intensity or a reason why the storm track will be more toward land when the likely track is offshore. Their discussions sound more like a parent describing the development of their 4 year old than a disinterested forecaster looking at the development of a TS. I get that TC’s are their life…. but they are not ours.
Weather models are sometimes crap
I spent a few days early this week fishing off northern vancouver island.
Every day was predicted gale force winds with mostly clear sky but I had my favorite guide and every day at 6am we’d poke our nose outside to look, decide it was ok then proceed to fish offshore all 3 days
No other boats came out as they all were scared by the forecast
Had the salmon highway all to ourselves
What looks like explosions in Henri…
(89) WOW! MASSIVE ENERGY EXPLOSION IN HURRICANE HENRI IS CAUGHT ON SATELLITE FEED, THEY CONTROL THE STORM – YouTube
Are those real?
Convective outbursts are real, natural, and common. This guy is a twit. I voted thumbs down on the video. I hope he’s not vaccinated.
Watch local radar in the afternoon on some warm and muggy day when there’s a risk of severe thunderstorms. You’ll likely see the same sort of events, but the Tstrm tops will be blown downwind by high level winds like the jet stream.
The outward expansion you see is called a gravity wave. It is usually associated with a convective burst. Sometimes the burst will leave subsidence in its wake which may present as a warming of the cloud tops or even transient clearing giving the impression of an “explosive” type of appearance. In a sheared system the anomaly the can appear to translate in the direction of the mean flow. I’ve seen far stranger cloud action in tropical cyclones. What you see here is so common it almost isn’t even worth discussing.
Here is another convective outburst from Hurricane Sally last year. Watch the leading edge of the gravity wave. It will actually cause clearing in the SW quadrant and even push away thunderstorms in the SE quadrant. Also notice the roll clouds that align radially in the wake of the wave.

Now I want to hear Bastardi’s take on Sandy.
Joe Bastardi is the one weatherman that I trust. He may not always be right, what weather forecast is, but he is honest.
Heh all here is a review of my error in overforecasting. We did get a 15 mb drop but I was anticipating more, I thought the warm water and sheer reversal would overcome the reason I believe major hurricanes have been more rare further north than in previous years ( distorted warming and SLP patterns and that was. fatal end game error for the over forecast, Please take a look if you can its on the public site. Also the threat for Texas next week analyzed
https://www.weatherbell.com/henri-review