The Idiot’s Answer To Global Warming: Hydrogen

From The MANHATTAN CONTRARIAN

Francis Menton

Hydrogen! It’s the obvious and perfect answer to global warming caused by human CO2 emissions. Instead of burning hydrocarbons (fossil fuels) we can leave out the carbon part, burn just the hydrogen, and emit nothing but pure water vapor. H2 + O = H2O! Thus, no more CO2 emissions . Why didn’t anyone think of this before now?

Actually, the geniuses are way ahead of you on this one. President George W. Bush was touting the coming “hydrogen economy” as far back as 2003. (“In his 2003 State of the Union Address, President Bush launched his Hydrogen Fuel Initiative. The goal of this initiative is to work in partnership with the private sector to accelerate the research and development required for a hydrogen economy.”). Barack Obama was not one to get left behind on an issue like this. In the run-up to the Paris Climate Conference in 2015 Obama’s Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz announced, “[F]uel cell technologies [i.e., hydrogen-fueled motors] are paving the way to competitiveness in the global clean energy market and to new jobs and business creation across the country.” Then there’s the biggest hydrogen enthusiast of all, PM Boris Johnson of the UK, who promises that his country is at the dawn of the “hydrogen economy.” (“Towards the end of 2020, Prime Minister Boris Johnson released details of a 10-point plan for a so-called ‘green industrial revolution.’. . . This year will also see the government publish a Hydrogen Strategy that will “outline plans” to develop a hydrogen economy in the U.K.”)

And let us not forget California. If you look at my post from two days ago about California’s plans for “zero carbon” electricity, you will find a chart showing that by 2045 they plan to have some 40 GW of what they call “Zero Carbon Firm” resources. What does that mean? In the print below the chart, they reveal it: “hydrogen fuel cells.” (Their current amount of hydrogen fuel cells contributing to the grid is 0.)

So basically, hydrogen is the perfect answer to our problems, right? Wrong. Only an idiot could think that hydrogen offers any material useful contribution to the world’s energy supply.

For much of the information that follows, I’ll be relying on a June 6, 2020 Report written for the Global Warming Policy Foundation by John Constable. However, and not to downplay Mr. Constable’s excellent Report in any way, but I made many of the same points in one of the very first posts on this blog in November 2012, titled “The Hydrogen Economy.” That post was based mostly on my layman’s understanding of the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Really, that’s all you need to know to realize that hydrogen as a major source of energy for the economy doesn’t make any sense at all.

So what is the fundamental flaw in the idea of a hydrogen-based energy economy? Constable puts it this way: “Being highly reactive, elemental hydrogen, H2, is found in only small quantities in nature on the earth’s surface but is present in a very wide range of compounds.” In other words, the hydrogen is not free for the taking, but rather is already combined with something else; and to separate the hydrogen so that you have free hydrogen to use, you need to add energy. Once you have added the energy and you have the free hydrogen, you can burn it. But that’s where the Second Law of Thermodynamics comes in. Due to inevitable inefficiencies in the processes, when you burn the hydrogen, you get back less energy than you expended to free it up. No matter how you approach the problem, the process of freeing up hydrogen and then burning it costs more energy than it generates.

Do you think somebody in our political leadership or bureaucracies might understand this? Don’t count on it.

Constable then goes into much more detail, and the deeper he gets into it the more ridiculous the hydrogen project looks. Since essentially all of the hydrogen starts out combined with something, where might you look to find a source of large quantities of hydrogen? Constable: “[T]he sources are few in number, being limited to either water, fossil hydrocarbons or biomass.”

The bond of hydrogen and oxygen in water is a high-energy thing that therefore takes a lot of energy to undo. So let’s consider getting the hydrogen from natural gas. Indeed, that is the main source today of substantial quantities of pure hydrogen for industrial purposes. Constable describes a well-established process called “steam methane reformation” (SMR) by which steam is passed through natural gas (methane, or CH4). The bond is broken and the hydrogen breaks free. Voila! Oh, but what happens to the carbon? Why obviously, it is released also, and thereupon combines with oxygen from the air forming CO2.

Wait a minute! The whole idea behind undertaking this expensive process was to avoid the release of the CO2. So clearly, we need another step. In the British proposal to create the “hydrogen economy,” they have had to include the addition of processes for “carbon capture and storage” to capture the CO2 before it gets away and prevent it getting into the atmosphere. Except that they haven’t figured out how to capture it all. They are hoping for capture rates of maybe 85 – 90%. So it turns out that this process, for all its additional costs, is not emissions-free at all.

And then there’s the next obvious question: Why not just burn the natural gas? Instead of having to input energy in the “steam reformation” process, this way you will release a large amount of useable and useful energy when the carbon gets burned. And as to CO2, you get the exact same amount. If you have a fetish that the CO2 must be captured, you can try to capture it from this process instead of from the “steam reformation” process. Again, you will not get 100%, but it’s really no different.

Except for the optics. In the first scenario, you claim you are burning “clean, pure hydrogen.” In the second scenario, you are burning natural gas, just as we have been doing for decades. Can people really be fooled by this?

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pochas94
August 14, 2021 12:53 pm

“The Idiot’s answer…”

Speaks wonders.

PMHinSC
August 14, 2021 12:56 pm

This 2019 source (https://cleantechnica.com/2019/04/26/hydrogen-cars-have-4x-annual-fuel-cost-2-70-times-the-carbon-debt-as-electric-vehicles/) does a $ comparison between batteries and fuel cells but doesn’t specify how much of this comparison includes tax, incentives, etc. To the extent I can derive efficiency from these numbers, fuel cells are approximately 25% as efficient as batteries. Unless I missed it I have not seen end to end efficiency comparison between batteries and hydrogen fuel cells.

pochas94
Reply to  PMHinSC
August 14, 2021 5:51 pm

You’re right about tires to the road thermal efficiency. But what you really pay for is convenience, not to have to hook up a horse to go to town, not to wait two hours to let it feed (or charge), not to sit home until the power company allows you to charge, not to have to haul 1000+ lb of batteries everywhere you go. The truckers will find hauling batteries instead of payload to be “not what we want” and they will get the whole thing started. We do need cheaper hydrogen. Pricing hydrogen produced in off peak hours net of the capital costs might do it.

Gary
August 14, 2021 2:25 pm

No chemical engineer was harmed in the making of this fantasy as none were involved

kzb
August 14, 2021 3:46 pm

I don’t know why you are so negative about hydrogen. As an energy storage medium it is way better than batteries in energy to weight ratio. A hydrogen powered car is competitive with a fossil-fuel car in both range and performance. It can be refuelled almost as quickly as well, which is another massive advantage over batteries.
It can be produced directly from nuclear thermal energy without conversion to electricity and is therefore quite efficient.
If I was expected to convert to hydrogen instead of batteries I’d feel better about doing away with petrol and diesel.

niceguy
August 14, 2021 5:33 pm

French so called extreme right party, former “FN”, now “RN”, is anti electric battery cars but pro H2.
(Their platform is actually close to the former PCF aka communist party in the 80ties.)

Rick C
August 14, 2021 5:48 pm

“Can people really be fooled by this?”

Yes, they are called “politicians” and they are easily fooled by many things. Sadly, they also have the power to take our money and spend vast sums on these obviously stupid schemes.

Dan
August 14, 2021 9:03 pm

The idea behind the hydrogen economy is to use your excess power generated by wind and solar to disassociate H2 from water and store it for when the wind isn’t blowing or the sun isn’t shining. Then you use fuel cells to burn the hydrogen to produce electricity (and heat). Also, some hydrogen can be shipped to fueling stations for use in hydrogen – fuel cell powered vehicles.

Here’s a press release about it from fuel cell maker Bloom Energy:
Bloom Energy and Heliogen join forces to harness the power of the sun to produce low-cost green hydrogen | Bloom Energy

Bloom’s fuel cells are actually doing pretty well, generating over 200M in sales per quarter.

I’m not saying the “hydrogen economy” is a smart idea, I’m just explaining my understanding of the “grand plan”.

Reply to  Dan
August 15, 2021 6:43 pm

use your excess power generated by wind and solar to disassociate H2 from water and store it for when the wind isn’t blowing or the sun isn’t shining. Then you use fuel cells to burn the hydrogen to produce electricity (and heat).” You could also burn it in conventional gas turbines–GE has a mod kit allowing some turbines to run on up to (IIRC) 50% hydrogen.

Roger Knights
August 15, 2021 4:50 am

Here’s a Google-link to articles and videos about Plasma Kinetics, a company that has a revolutionary method of storing and retrieving hydrogen:
https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=plasma+kinetics&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Here’s a link to the company’s website:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwitq-jj9rLyAhVuJzQIHVOABOAQFnoECAIQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fplasmakinetics.com%2F&usg=AOvVaw0Mimz5AQHvcECMz7JDjzoW

Here’s a link to a vlogg video in which auto expert Sandy Munro raves about the potential for Plasma Kinetics’ tech to displace Lion batteries in EV cars (using fuel cells to consume the hydrogen):
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiGn5uy-bLyAhXnGTQIHVJPB5kQwqsBegQICBAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DbrEm4mEizns&usg=AOvVaw1fh-cs7Wc_PWHI8BGSdLvU 

Here’s an article about the company’s tech:
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwitq-jj9rLyAhVuJzQIHVOABOAQFnoECAUQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nextbigfuture.com%2F2021%2F04%2Fplasma-kinetics-light-activated-hydrides.html&usg=AOvVaw0PoofKb_Kw9Oi5ZpbvacGS

It says: “Plasma Kinetics makes light-activated hydrides. It removed the hydrogen from a hydride using light. It system is safe, clean, and scalable and holds more energy than a lithium-ion battery, costing less, and recharges in 5 minutes. This is an energy storage technology that Sandy Munro believes is workable.

“PK is the first company to pursue hydrogen in the form of a light-activated nano-structured thin film. Plasma Kinetics’ success is in our unique ability to filter out hydrogen from exhaust gases “like a sponge” with low temperature and pressure – reducing cost. Captured hydrogen is contained indefinitely, releasing with light on demand. Plasma Kinetics advancements offer the means for zero-carbon hydrogen, it’s an economical and safe hydrogen transport and infrastructure system. Our technology scales to fit the power demand of any application.

“Plasma Kinetics patent portfolio includes five U.S. patents with more than 40 granted claims. They have patents in Canada, Japan and Korea and patents pending in multiple countries around the world. Plasma Kinetics introduced Light Activated Energy Storage (LAES) hydrogen storage technology to the U.S. Department of Energy in July 2009. The DOE Advanced Research Projects Division stated that our technology had “the potential to have a high transformational impact”.

“Plasma Kinetics is planning the introduction of 19L containers with 500 g of H2 for mobile applications (aircraft, vehicles, and boats). Larger containers of 67 m3 and 76 m3 will have 500 kg and 1000 kg of H2. The larger containers are used for hydrogen production, storage, and delivery to stationary or large mobile (ship and rail) applications. All products are lighter, smaller, and less expensive than lithium-ion batteries. All products are zero-carbon and are also reusable and recyclable.”

Here’s a l,ink to a dozen-plus videos on its tech:
https://www.google.com/search?newwindow=1&client=safari&rls=en&tbm=vid&sxsrf=ALeKk02uGD06x5BsONB2SeJ_k1FtaBmYWg:1629027080745&q=plasma+kinetics&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwitq-jj9rLyAhVuJzQIHVOABOAQ8ccDegQIKRAI

August 15, 2021 8:33 am

When used as aviation fuel, only 25% of hydrogen burns giving thrust.
The remaining 75% is carried as useless dead weight.

kzb
Reply to  Hatter Eggburn
August 15, 2021 6:27 pm

Do you have a link or reference to support that assertion?

August 15, 2021 9:13 am

As many people know I’m an idiot – so:
1 – hydrogen has to come from somewhere. FIssion + seawater = minerals plus O and H.
2 – hydrogen has to be stored and released. The U.S. Army lab has an answer: pelletized AL + H + a catalyst provides safe, efficient, storage; easy transportation, easy refueling, and recycling.

Bottom line: yes H looks good as a future fuel bearing in mind that H, like gasoline, is a means of storing and transporting energy, not a means of creating it.

Billy
August 15, 2021 3:49 pm

Didn’t Jimmy Carter convert the USA to hydrogen fuel?
I remember that.