Guardian: The Florida Building Collapse was a George Floyd Climate Action Turning Point

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to The Guardian, all the bad things which happened last year should convince society to embrace carbon taxes and renewable energy.

Our climate change turning point is right here, right now

Rebecca Solnit
Mon 12 Jul 2021 22.31 AEST

People are dying. Aquatic animals are baking in their shells. Fruit is being cooked on the tree. It’s time to act

Human beings crave clarity, immediacy, landmark events. We seek turning points, because our minds are good at recognizing the specific – this time, this place, this sudden event, this tangible change. This is why we were never very good, most of us, at comprehending climate change in the first place. The climate was an overarching, underlying condition of our lives and planet, and the change was incremental and intricate and hard to recognize if you weren’t keeping track of this species or that temperature record. Climate catastrophe is a slow shattering of the stable patterns that governed the weather, the seasons, the species and migrations, all the beautifully orchestrated systems of the holocene era we exited when we manufactured the anthropocene through a couple of centuries of increasingly wanton greenhouse gas emissions and forest destruction.

A building collapsing is an ideal specimen of news, sudden and specific in time and place, and in the case of this one on the Florida coast, easy for the media to cover as a spectacle with straightforward causes and consequences. A crisis spread across three states and two Canadian provinces, with many kinds of impact, including untallied deaths, was in many ways its antithesis. There was a case to be made that climate change – in the form of rising saltwater intrusion – was a factor in the Florida building’s collapse, but climate change was far more dramatically present in the Pacific Northwest’s heat records being broken day after day and the consequences of that heat. In Canada the previous highest temperature was broken by eight degrees Fahrenheit, a big lurch into the dangerous new conditions human beings have made, and then most of the town in which that record was set burned down.

A turning point is often something you individually or collectively choose, when you find the status quo unacceptable, when you turn yourself and your goals around. George Floyd’s murder was a turning point for racial justice in the US. Those who have been paying attention, those with expertise or imagination, found their turning points for the climate crisis years and decades back. For some it was Hurricane Sandy or their own home burning down or the permafrost of the far north turning to mush or the IPCC report in 2018 saying we had a decade to do what the planet needs of us. Greta Thunberg had her turning point, and so did the indigenous women leading the Line 3 pipeline protests.

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In my opinion this is an example of what happens to people who only talk to those who reinforce their fears.

I’ll never forget a time many years ago, when someone invited me to a meeting which turned out to be a small group of student trotskyites. They kept saying “The people are with us”.

So I asked “Which people?”.

All I got was blank stares. Nobody had actually thought to check with ordinary people outside their little cabal, to see if normal people felt any connection with the radical ideas the group was discussing.

I was not invited to the next meeting.

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July 13, 2021 10:10 pm

I thought the Florida footbridge collapse was supposed to be that.
You know the one: the one that was designed by feminists.
And maybe global warming caused the building to sink for the last decade.
Not bad design, inadequate geotech surveying or poor foundation construction.
Amazing what global warming is capable of.

willem post
Reply to  Bruce of Newcastle
July 14, 2021 3:11 am

Plus “long-postponed” repairs, that everyone KNEW needed to be done, but no one had the GUTS to inform residents, because the costs were so high, plus it would send a bad condo marketing message not appreciated by real estate folks.

All-around a “complicated” situation.


Bull manure

Tom Abbott
Reply to  willem post
July 14, 2021 8:19 am

I read a story yesterday about a woman who was thinking about moving into this building and she said when she saw the cracks in the ceiling of the parking garage, she wanted no part of moving in there.

She said the woman who eventually rented the apartment she was going to rent, escaped serious injury by running down six flights of stairs to safety right before the whole thing fell down.

So at least one average woman with no training, didn’t like the looks of the structure when she first saw it. What happened to all the experts?

Florida ought to hire that woman to go around and inspect all their buildings. 🙂

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 14, 2021 6:32 pm

All concrete structures have cracks. All. That had nothing to do with the collapse which multiple world expert forensic structural engineers have already concluded could not have brought down the building. The parking garage structure was independent of the load bearing columns and foundation piles.

Again, no human being yet knows what caused the collapse, but it is certain that whatever cause was present, it impaired the performance of the load bearing columns and/or the foundation.

Reply to  Duane
July 15, 2021 6:34 am

“multiple world expert forensic structural engineers have already concluded could not have brought down the building”

Citation needed.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Duane
July 15, 2021 10:33 am

Every word of what Daune said here is wrong, and it is impossible he got it wrong mistakenly.
Why are you now deliberately lying?

Reply to  willem post
July 14, 2021 10:03 am

I expect this will turn into a chain of errors probably even back to design flaws. The condo was built in the 80’s by those bastions of integrity; south fl contractors. Same contractors that provided Miami Herald humorist Dave Barry with quite a number of columns.

Reply to  taz1999
July 14, 2021 11:45 am

Since they blew up the remaining portion of the tower and have already removed most of the debris before letting any engineers near the site to take samples, they have neatly avoided finding any proof of defective materials or bad workmanship.

All they can conclude is delayed repairs. The network of corrupt contractors, architects and complicit bureaucrats have already been protected.

Reply to  Greg
July 14, 2021 12:31 pm

Still believe there will be some evidence out there. I believe it was Controlled Demolition that pulled the rest of the building down. If the tv show was to be believed, CDI would not have initiated the demo without reviewing the building design drawings. Add: the rapid execution of the demolition implies to me that CDI had already been contracted and probably on scene very shortly after the collapse.

Reply to  taz1999
July 15, 2021 1:23 am

The design is independent of the actual construction material quality. Also, the earth beneath the building couldn’t have been too stable, being what it is.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  taz1999
July 15, 2021 10:56 am

I was just reading a report in which it was detailed that Controlled Demolition noted that there was not as much steel in the columns as there should have been.
They discovered this when they drilled into them to plant charges.

All of the material is already being examined and tested.
There have been engineers and building inspectors onsite since day one.
The whole thing is a crime scene, and all the removed material is being taken to a central location.
Concrete testing is already well underway.

They just released all of the 911 tapes, and I think it is likely that the video from inside and around the building will have to be made public at some point.

This is the worst accidental building collapse in US history, in terms of lives lost.
This is not getting swept under the rug, no way.
News reports are including more information every day, some of which is historical in nature.
So, no, this is not a cover up.
They had to bring down the rest of the building because it was too dangerous.
No one could go near to the remaining parts, or even remove any of the debris that might have caused it to shift…so they simply had too, or else put the search for victims on hold, and they could not do that.
The approaching storm last week just sped up the schedule…it forced a rapid decision that they would have preferred to make over more time.

The truth is, there is already a lot of information about what happened, and there is a lot more that has not been made public.
It may be the video shows things happening to people that are not the sort of thing that anyone wants to release to the public…people dying, or about to die perhaps.
Or maybe it has to to with the criminal investigation.
But it will have to be released at some point…lawsuits will force that to happen.

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
July 15, 2021 1:17 pm

Thanks for the update. Sometimes I find it hard to get news from local sources but that’s primarily because I hate the locals and can’t watch. It seemed likely the partially collapsed structure was too unstable for continuing the recovery efforts to any practical extent and needed to be demolished. It is heart bending that there (slight chance) may have been survivors and definitely some trapped pets; no way to get in.

Yep, this is going to be in courts for a while. I thought I heard that some if not all the original developers had died.

And incidentally reminding me about the Harbour Cay collapse, I vaguely remembered. (maybe interestingly the buildings were built around the same time) Then hurricane Andrew blew out the interior of my grandparents home and blew down an entire mall. (all built around the same time)

Reply to  taz1999
July 14, 2021 6:35 pm

It is by no means more likely to be a design error than a construction defect or a maintenance defect, or some combination thereof. Nothing is yet known of the cause or, most likely, multiple contributing causes.

People like you must stop pretending to know what is not known yet.

Reply to  Duane
July 15, 2021 1:20 am

What would be the fun in that?

Reply to  Duane
July 15, 2021 7:53 am

Whoa Duane, harsh much. People like me did not pretend to know anything about the causes except I would not be surprised (my supposition) if design and construction issues were contributing to multiple causes. We’re pretty much in violent agreement. Owned a FL beach condo unit for 30 years, 3 roofs, 2 balcony refurbs, 1 intrusion from hurricane. (and 4 air conditioning units) I think I’ve got a good feel for corrosion and weather damage.

However, I will not retract any derision directed at south FL contractors.

Reply to  taz1999
July 14, 2021 6:40 pm

There are literally tens of thousands of high rise buildings built by Florida contractors that have never failed. Not just in Florida. This is the first high rise building to collapse in the US due to other than an obvious cause – such as airliners crashing into buildings, or major earthquakes – in over five decades.

This is literally a black swan event that nearly never happens, so there are no trends, history, or record of similar failures anywhere in the US to point to as a likely let alone obvious cause.

Reply to  Duane
July 15, 2021 1:21 am

Doesn’t black swan equal CAGW?

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Duane
July 15, 2021 11:16 am

Daune you are wrong and completely full of crap.
I am wondering why you have now graduated to telling outright lies?
Why are you lying?
One lie after another…why?

This is not even the first collapse in Florida, let alone the US.
There is a long list of collapses.

  • Jan. 25, 1971: 2000 Commonwealth Ave., a luxury condo building that was under construction, collapsed in Boston. Four workers were killed and 30 were injured. A commission later found low-quality concrete had been used in some areas of the building.
  • Aug. 3, 1973: The University Hotel at 673 Broadway in Greenwich Village collapsed, killing four, because walls in the basement had been illegally altered. Inside the building, the Mercer Arts Center, at the time one of the city’s most progressive performance spaces, was destroyed but had not yet opened for the evening’s events. The site was later demolished, and New York University bought the land and put up a 22-story dorm.
  • March 27, 1981: The Harbour Cay Condominium building in Cocoa Beach, Fla., east of Orlando, collapsed hours before construction was expected to be completed, killing 11 workers and injuring almost two dozen others. The five-story waterfront fell “like a house of cards,” one witness told the Orlando Sentinel.
  • July 17, 1981: The second- and fourth-story walkways inside the Hyatt Regency hotel in Kansas City, Mo., collapsed onto the lobby, killing 114 and injuring 200. Around 1,600 people were in the atrium of the building at the time for a Friday night dance party. The incident remains the deadliest non-deliberate structural failure in U.S. history and has become a common case study in engineering classes.
  • April 23, 1987: L’Ambiance Plaza, a 16-story apartment building in Bridgeport, Conn., collapsed during construction, killing 28 workers. The ensuing years saw a $41 million settlement for the victims’ families and a federal investigation into the lift-slab construction practice.
  • May 18, 2000: A portion of the pier at Club Heat, a nightclub at Pier 34 in Philadelphia, collapsed into the Delaware River killing three women, co-workers from the Camden Aquarium. Both the owner of the pier and the club later faced a number of charges and reached plea deals to avoid prison time.
  • Oct. 12, 2019: The Hard Rock Hotel under construction in New Orleans partially collapsed, killing three workers and injuring dozens of others. Survivors allege that unsafe building practices were used and there was insufficient support for the structure. More than a year later, the site and several surrounding properties were demolished. In April 2021, multiple adjacent streets finally reopened.

If we count near misses, we do not even have to go back more than about ten years to find out the last 12 story condo on a waterfront in Florida that failed catastrophically:

If we count bridges and other structures, the list is very long.

Stop lying, and stop deluding yourself that you can tell people what to think.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
July 15, 2021 12:00 pm

You know what…I should not have told you, Daune, to stop lying.
I am sorry I said that.
I am not the liebaby police, and it is not my job to go around telling big fat lying liars to stop telling their big fat lying lies.
So you just carry one.
Knock yourself up.
Lie until you are blue in the face, and then lie some more.
What the hell, eh?

Reply to  willem post
July 14, 2021 6:26 pm

You guys are commenting just as stupidly as the warmunistas.

As of today no human being on earth knows the causes of the building collapse, nobody.

The members of the condo association were informed back in 2018 of the condition of the building. Nobody knows today if any of the observations by the structural engineer in 2018 had a damned thing to do with the collapse. Several world reknowned forensic structural engineers reviewed the 2018 report and ALL of them stated that nothing in the report was a smoking gun and that the structural deterioration noted in the report could not have brought that building down.

The HOA received the report in 2018, the board discussed it and it’s implications for maintenance costs, several board members resigned not wanting to be in charge of such a costly process, and by the following year the new board hired the same structural engineer to prepare a set of plans to fix the issues raised in the report, so obviously the HOA did NOT reject or ignore the warnings in the engineer’s report, which NEVER stated or even hinted that the building was at imminent risk of failing.

From 2019 to spring of 2021 the engineer prepared the extensive structural plans to fix the issues noted, prepared the permit applications and submitted those applications to local authorities to review and approve, which happened. Then the engineer’s went through a construction bidding and contractor selection process, then the condo association obtained financing for the work.

That all of that was achieved and all of those obstacles overcome in only a year and a half is literally moving at lightning speed in Florida which has the world’s most restrictive building codes.

The restoration work was literally scheduled to begin the week following the collapse of the building.

Nothing was rejected, nothing was ignored, nothing was postponed. And as of today, whatever caused that collapse is unknown. The investigations to determine the causes are only now just getting started and none will be completed this year.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Duane
July 15, 2021 11:19 am

Stop lying.
What is wrong with you?

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
July 15, 2021 12:03 pm

*See above retraction of my demand you stop lying.
Forget I said it.
Lie as much as you want, as long as you do not lie about what I have said.
You went way overboard on that other thread, so you are gonna need to rein that crap in.
Lie about yourself only.

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Bruce of Newcastle
July 14, 2021 7:28 am

Obviously it was the effects of climate change that made the designers, surveyors and construction staff unable to properly concentrate on their jobs.

Reply to  Dave Andrews
July 14, 2021 9:28 am

It makes me wonder, just how stupid does one have to be, to BELIEVE all this Climate Change BS?? Apparently there is no lower limit!

Reply to  IAMPCBOB
July 14, 2021 11:38 am

Remember when CoVid was caused by climate change ? The media published that nonsense for a bit to test public gullibility as well….just a matter of time before rusted rebar in salt sea air wins the media plausibility contest on this one.

Reply to  IAMPCBOB
July 14, 2021 1:10 pm

The griffter is that stupid. All the Climate Alarmists aren’t necessarily stupid, some are more likely just dishonest people with an agenda; people like Isick Walton, Simple Simon, Bigoilyboob, LoyD’oh etc.

Reply to  Bruce of Newcastle
July 14, 2021 12:00 pm

Very interesting. I looked that Fox news report in you link. At one point the reported says ” homicide detectives are involved which is pretty much standard practice when working with an industrial accident like this”.

It’s a shame Champlain is not also being investigated with a similarly critical eye. There is massive homicide here.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Greg
July 15, 2021 11:28 am

The whole site and the debris is all a big crime scene Greg, although outside of Florida this may not be getting much mention:

There is already massive evidence of possible fraud and corruption, from when the place was designed and built:
Before the fall: How Surfside’s Champlain Towers were built | Miami Herald

…right up through what happened after the 2018 report in which major structural damage was found the and owners were warned that unless repaired in a timely manner, damage would increase exponentially:

Experts: Surfside official failed to act on engineer’s condo report | Miami Herald

Daune seems to be on some sort of one man disinformation campaign.
It is not gonna work.

Reply to  Bruce of Newcastle
July 14, 2021 1:27 pm

The probability is high a consultant/engineering firm gave an indication of what was happening and required the Board of Directors of the owner’s association to review and advise how to remedy the situation. This would normally entail more engineering studies and, worst of all a significant dues increase and special assessment to each owner within the association. Either the Board ignored their responsibilities or the owners voted to ignore their obligations. This problem has gone on for far too long to blame it on anybody but the owners within the association.

The association’s errors and omissions insurance should be hit up for their share of this action by the Board of Directors and the owners should now be assessed for the repairs, since they ignored their past obligations. Every owner with an association has both obligations and responsibilities and far too often these are ignored. 🙁

Reply to  Bruce of Newcastle
July 15, 2021 1:16 am

The city is on a barrier island. This is essentially a sand dune in the sea. Like sand dunes in the desert, it is always moving. This is the process that has been in action sine there was first sand and water.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  AndyHce
July 15, 2021 11:38 am

There is a difference with the barrier islands along the southeast coast of Florida: They are underlain by bedrock.
They are not just big sandbars.
There are some so-called experts who assert that these islands are not actually barrier islands, and in some cases they may be correct, geologically but not legally.

In places like Boca Raton and Deerfield Beach, the intercoastal waterway is a dredged channel, an although people consider the beaches along those towns barrier islands, they are not.

Some of the beaches in Florida are welded to the mainland at some point, and some are more properly referred to as Keys.

In any case, high rises are built on the ones that are sandbars all the time.
Engineers calculate when must be done to provide a stable support structure.
Piles driven down to bedrock is one common solution.

July 13, 2021 10:21 pm

more hysterical anecdotal rhetoric from those who insist we should ” follow the science “

Reply to  garboard
July 13, 2021 10:52 pm

Those SAME people insist that the few very public cases of people either dying, being seriously ill, or having to abandon a sport competition after a vaccine, are “anecdotes not data” and the thousands of “nobodies” who died after “COVID vaccination”(sic) have no recognized causal link (recognized by the vaccine pushers…)

The Safety of COVID-19 Vaccinations—We Should Rethink the Policy

Harald Walach, Rainer J. Klement and Wouter Aukema (retracted – ah ah)

Reply to  niceguy
July 13, 2021 11:09 pm

Who reads the fine print these days?

Craig from Oz
Reply to  niceguy
July 13, 2021 11:51 pm

This report from a website (Australian Government, aka Our Betters) reports casually in the body of the text that 355 have died after being vaccinated (Note: this is up 20 from the previous week, but you have to read last week’s report to discover this).

They say “So far, the observed number of deaths reported after vaccination remains less than the expected number of deaths that would occur naturally, or from other causes, for that proportion of the population. ”

Or, to word it another way, “Old and sick people die all the time, so don’t worry about it”.

Despite saying this other websites are happy to mention the total 900+ Australian deaths with China Virus, despite the fact the demographics also show that the vast majority of these unfortunates were also old and sick. I have not seen any official document claiming that Australian deaths ‘with Covid’ have resulted in excess deaths in Australia, and since such a claim would support and justify the current ‘lockdown’ response policy I can only assume that such a report doesn’t exist because, again, the number “remains less than the expected number of deaths that would occur naturally, or from other causes, for that proportion of the population. ”

Also of interest in this report is the number – 36387 – of Adverse Events Following Immunisation (aka – people who felt sick after the jab). This is roughly 6000 higher than the total recorded number of China Virus cases in Australia since the Virus was first invented late 19/early 20.

Or – The prevention method for the China Virus in Australia has actually made more people sick than the actual China Virus and is also on track to be associated with the deaths of more people.

guess our Government needs to destroy that village in order to save it.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Craig from Oz
July 14, 2021 2:21 am

According to a Johns Hopkins researcher, there were no excess deaths in the US either….

Greg West
Reply to  Pamela Matlack-Klein
July 14, 2021 5:55 am

Perhaps you can provide an actual link to verify this claim. Here is mine which counters your claim.

Kindest Regards,


Reply to  Greg West
July 14, 2021 6:28 am

It is not yet possible to determine “excess deaths in 2020” because we obviously don’t have the numbers for 2021 and 2022 yet. It’s well known that Covid mostly hastened the lingering death of bedridden octogenarians and beyond in care homes. These people won’t die again in future, so the death rate will underperform for several years to come. The benefit for society by removing a considerable part of the weakest and at the same time most costly to support is considerable. Trying to outsmart natural selection just doesn’t work in the long run: Let people that are permanently too weak to earn their own money and feed themselves die in peace, and there will be no more hotbeds for viruses to multiply and mutate.

Rich Davis
Reply to  AlexBerlin
July 14, 2021 4:55 pm


Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  AlexBerlin
July 15, 2021 11:41 am

These people won’t die again in future, so the death rate will underperform for several years to come. The benefit for society by removing a considerable part of the weakest and at the same time most costly to support is considerable.”

I predict you will win few friends with that line of commentary.
That kind of talk goes over like a lead balloon.

Pamela Matlack-Klein
Reply to  Greg West
July 14, 2021 6:58 am

I no longer have the link to this article, believe it was taken down by JH. However, many in this group also read it when it was first posted. Maybe someone has a copy or access to the WayBackMachine.

Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 14, 2021 6:54 am

“…k1lled 50,000 americans…” in title is crapola….

Reply to  garboard
July 14, 2021 11:02 am


Also… what evidence is there that the death of George Floyd had any “Racial” component? The fact Chauvin was White? 2 of the 3 other cops involved were PoC.

These climate nuts conflate everything in order to push their propaganda.

July 13, 2021 10:22 pm

Eric was so lucky not to be invited to the next Trotskyites meeting and having to suffer all over again..

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 13, 2021 10:45 pm

Market research? That’s a capitalist concept!

July 13, 2021 10:24 pm

That first paragraph says it all. What an imbecile.

Mark Kaiser
Reply to  mikebartnz
July 14, 2021 8:32 pm

Aquatic animals are baking in their shells. Fruit is being cooked on the tree.

That will help reduce the use of fossil fuels!

July 13, 2021 10:36 pm

Floyd’s progressive viability and death, originated before and prompted a premature exit from the police car, and an assembled mob that prevented access by licensed (thanks lawyers without borders) medical providers, was a turning point in the progress of diversity [dogma] (e.g. racism, sexism, ageism), inequity, and exclusion for social justice anywhere is injustice everywhere.

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Reply to  n.n
July 14, 2021 12:47 am

The canonization of George Floyd, a violent, meth-addicted thug and criminal, shows just how morally degenerate Western society has become.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
July 14, 2021 4:32 am

In the 1960’s NZ had George Wilder.

Reply to  Graemethecat
July 14, 2021 9:32 am

Or, at least some PARTS of it!

Dave Fair
Reply to  Graemethecat
July 14, 2021 4:52 pm

Was it Kamala who thanked George Floyd for giving his life to further investigations into racial inequality (BLM riots)?

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  n.n
July 14, 2021 1:33 am

Following Rebecca’s ‘logic’ where everything connected to everything leads to doom and damnation, the death of Floyd must have caused the collapse of that condo.

The solution is nevertheless simple: send us your money.

July 13, 2021 10:42 pm

… women and men are denied their dignity and agency, and human lives are reduced to a property sacrificed for social progress, medical progress, Planned Parent/hood profit, eugenicists’ delight, climate prophecy, etc. Baby Lives Matter

July 13, 2021 10:46 pm

You need to put a notation system with clown faces not stars!

Jim Clarke
July 13, 2021 10:51 pm

When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Project Veritas caught a CNN Director saying that climate change was going to be their next big thing, now that Trump was gone. All the MSM got the same message. Now everything is talked about in relation to man-made climate change. When you are just making shit up (which is the new practice of journalism), reality and logic are not considerations. It is all about the fictional narrative, and it is narrative all the way down.

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David Blenkinsop
Reply to  Jim Clarke
July 14, 2021 2:58 am

“When you are just making [stuff] up (which is the new practice of journalism), reality and logic are not considerations.”

Mike Dubrasich
July 13, 2021 11:18 pm

Quick update from the PNW Hotpocalypse Heat Wave Epicenter:

My lettuce did fine. I recall the Grunion reported that the Brits were going to have to eat dandelions because all the lettuce would wilt in the heat. Well, mine didn’t. It didn’t bolt or get bitter. It’s green, thick, and delicious. For those gardeners interested, we grow a variety called Jericho Romaine. Excellent. You can’t buy lettuce this good in any store.

A few blueberries near the tops of the bushes got baked and turned mushy, but it was only a few, less than one in a thousand. I overhead watered them when it got above 95°F. They are really coming on now. I pick a gallon a day, freeze some, give some away, and eat so many I’m turning blue. Best varieties here: Spartan, Blue Crop, Chandler (giant berries), and Herbert (best flavor).

Some damage to the roses in bloom, but we deadheaded those and the new blooms are spectacular. Nothing else seems to have been harmed at all. So the “dramatic consequences of climate change” are non-existent here.

July 13, 2021 11:26 pm

And it is HURRICANE Sandy, again. Can’t even get that right.

mike macray
July 13, 2021 11:32 pm

People are dying. Always have, always will
Aquatic animals are baking in their shells. Oysters Rockefeller
Fruit is being cooked on the tree. Not sure about that one!
It’s time to act All the world’s a stage..

So what’s new?

Chris Hanley
July 13, 2021 11:34 pm

The Guardian’s climate ‘turning points’:
Copenhagen Climate Conference: This marked a turning point in human nature (Dec 2009). Obama: Paris climate deal turning point for the world (Dec 2015).
UN secretary general hails ‘turning point’ in climate crisis fight (Sep 2019).
I have to stop now I’m getting vertigo.

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Reply to  Chris Hanley
July 14, 2021 12:49 am

Back in 1974 the Grauniad was warning of imminent Global Cooling.

Reply to  Graemethecat
July 14, 2021 6:03 am

Yes, I remember that era well. Funny thing is that the claim of Global Cooling was/is the truth. Except It failed then to control the population and the wealth transfer mechanism was not developed.

July 13, 2021 11:38 pm

People are dying. (not really)Aquatic animals are baking in their shells. (actually they aren’t) Fruit is being cooked on the tree. (again – no) It’s time to act (It’s time to pretend)
Human beings crave clarity,(stories) immediacy,(well at least Rebbeca does) landmark events.(a big rock concert) We seek turning points,(A speech from Greta at a rock concert) because our minds are good at recognizing the specific (a big rock concert about climate change on top of a glacier) – this time, (or when the weather is better…) this place,(some nice place) this sudden event, (a big rock concert about climate change on top of a glacier with special guests talking about how we all will pull together and fix climate change) this tangible change.(a big rock concert about climate change on top of a glacier with special guests talking about how we all will pull together and fix climate change – and … AND.., where they hand you a leaflet with a web address on it as you leave)

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Reply to  Mike
July 14, 2021 5:27 am

And here I was hoping I could just go outside and pick up a fresh cooked dinner off the tree.

July 13, 2021 11:48 pm

Aquatic animals are baking in their shells. Fruit is being cooked on the tree.

Well that will make preparing dinner easier

Seriously though, do Guardian readers not see this as a blatant lie?

(It’s a rhetorical question)

Reply to  Redge
July 14, 2021 12:10 pm

This is the first time I can recall anyone claiming that fruit is cooking on trees.
Where exactly is this culinary apocalypse supposed to be happening?

Reply to  MarkW
July 14, 2021 11:44 pm

Wasn’t my claim, Mark

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Redge
July 15, 2021 11:44 am

Yeah, whoever wrote that crap in the headline article sounds like they have become all the way unhinged.
We are witnessing an actual and ongoing mass delusion.

July 14, 2021 12:05 am

I can remember the days when The Guardian used to be regarded as a credible news source for intelligent people.

Reply to  Derek Wood
July 14, 2021 12:07 am

Crikey! You must be very old!

It was called The Manchester Guardian back then

Gerry, England
Reply to  Redge
July 14, 2021 5:04 am

And probably still funded from the slave trade…

July 14, 2021 12:40 am

Meanwhile in the UK an horrific fire at Grenfell Tower in 2017 where 72 poor souls lost their lives, would never of happened if over zealous councillors wanting to make buildings more “Carbon friendly” rode rough shot over fire regulations… That should be a turning point in this Madness!

Gerry, England
Reply to  Timbo
July 14, 2021 5:12 am

Not true as the Building Regulations permitted the cladding that was used but the regulations – controlled by the European Union – do not require cladding systems to be subject to approval testing only the components. There is some ongoing investigation as to whether the French made insulation did have a genuine approval.

However, the British Standard does offer the option of having cladding systems tested as it was updated following the experience of a cladding related fire in Scotland in 1999 but for some reason nobody has asked of John Prescott or John McDonnell why when they were in charge of this area for the Labour government did they not raise this with the EU to get the Building Regulations changed to require cladding systems be approved. Ironic that McDonnell called those responsible for Grenfell Tower ‘murderers’ – perhaps he should get a mirror.

July 14, 2021 12:41 am

It was a neglected but occupied building. It was almost 40 years old. The climate had zero to do with the neglect of maintenance.

Reply to  walt
July 14, 2021 12:51 am

The Grenfell Building was clad with sheets of polythene as insulation to make the building more energy-efficient. Said cladding burned exactly like candle wax in the fire.

Reply to  walt
July 14, 2021 1:00 am

Or the poor design and quality of build.

July 14, 2021 1:03 am

So Fascists believe 4,000 more homicides last year due to the George Floyd inspired: defund the police, war on police, $2 billion in burned out neighborhoods, rioters killing and injuring cops, etc., were all great things to celebrate….Got it…

Police are taking early retirement or quitting in droves from the George Floyd repercussions of Fascists’ BLM/Antifa attacks on police, laws prohibiting pursuit of criminals, decriminalizing felonies like shoplifting, failing to prosecute rioters and looters, removal of police immunity laws, Fascist politicians prosecuting cops of using excessive force even when justified, etc.,

These Fascist policies have caused violent crimes to spike 30% overall, and some crimes in some Blue cities have increased 450%…

Because Fascists see poll numbers showing 80% of Americans are opposed to “defunding the police”, Fascists are now gaslighting the GOP by saying THEY are the party of “defunding the police” because the GOP limited bailouts to Blue States with $billions of debt (which is unconstitutional) from decades of excessive spending, because some of the reduced bailout money MAY have been used to fund the police, even though Fascist politicians openly promised to “defund the police”— Fascists have lost their frigging minds,…

The collapsed Florida building was due to lax building inspections and non-compliance to building codes and standards, and had absolutely nothing to do with Fascists’: defunding the police, race riots, George Floyd, or anything to do with the disconfirmed CAGW hypothesis…

Fascists are insane…

Reply to  SAMURAI
July 14, 2021 5:40 am

As a result of many cities removing partial immunity from police officers, every traffic stop, every arrest could result in a lawsuit against every officer who was at the scene.
Being drug to court over and over again, even when your case is a slam dunk and the department is paying for your lawyer is no fun.

And in today’s highly charged political atmosphere, no matter how weak the case, the chances of getting a jury that just wants to “stick it to the man” is always high.

Reply to  MarkW
July 14, 2021 10:51 am

You’re correct. If partial immunity is rescinded for cops, every arrest could lead to a frivolous personal lawsuit that police officers would b personally liable.

Who in their right mind would become a cop with such a large Sword of Damocles hanging over their head?

Reply to  SAMURAI
July 14, 2021 12:13 pm

If they can’t defund the cops, they will simply bankrupt them.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  SAMURAI
July 14, 2021 6:25 am

And, this insanity appears to be contagious…is there a vaccine available yet for this condition?

Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 14, 2021 11:06 am

There are currently no vaccines available to prevent being infected with Fascism, however, there are antipsychotic drugs like Prolixin to deal with the terrible symptoms of Fascistic delusions, schizophrenic behavior, and paranoia..

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 15, 2021 11:46 am

Yes, it is called knowledge.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  SAMURAI
July 14, 2021 8:42 am

Fortunately, some of the individual States choose not to go crazy and defund the police.

My State has more police applying for jobs than we have police jobs. That’s because the people of my State support the police and let them know it

Most of the increased crime is taking place in Blue States and Blue cities. There are some Blue cities inside Red States. But most of the Red States are doing just fine with law enforcement and are not seeing the crime waves of the Blue States.

The Democrats who are in charge are the source of the problem. That ought to be obvious to any sensible person.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 14, 2021 11:35 am

Democrats finally realized their insane “defund the police” initiative was a huge mistake because 80% of Americans actually support the police and want more officers on the streets to keep them safe and protect their kids, property and businesses.

Reply to  SAMURAI
July 14, 2021 12:17 pm

Even solid majorities of inner city minorities don’t want to cut the funding for police.
Pretty much the only ones who want it are white liberals who live in gated community with privately funded security.

On another note, the fact that very few people support defunding the police explains why the Democrats have had to lie and claim that defunding the police was actually a Republican idea.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 14, 2021 12:15 pm

Last year my wife and I bought about 6 dozen donuts and took them down to our local police precinct.
We are talking with our pastor to see if there is something the church can do to show our support for the police.

Bruce Cobb
July 14, 2021 1:24 am

What a coincidence. My stomach just had a turning point reading that crapola. Right here right now.

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 14, 2021 12:18 pm

You can get that out with vinegar.

Ed Zuiderwijk
July 14, 2021 1:27 am

I wonder if Rebecca knows what a hyperbole is.

Climate believer
July 14, 2021 2:09 am

One of the top comments over at the Gonad by someone called Bubblebath:

“The only solution to climate change is Socialism”

Says it all really.

Go to North Korea my dear, they’ve got it sorted.

Solnit and her Californian mindset yuppies are insignificant noise, nobody is reading this crap. People are sick of the cancerous ideas being exported from that failed state.

July 14, 2021 2:29 am

An example of wishful-thinking churnalism. The Grauniad’s audience (if it even has one) is going to be more impressed by the shortfall in natural gas this coming La Nina winter.

David Baird
July 14, 2021 2:51 am

Hey Guardian, how do you explain this? Maybe Gaea is trying to tell you something.

David Baird
Reply to  David Baird
July 14, 2021 2:54 am
Reply to  David Baird
July 14, 2021 3:51 am

That’s hilarious. Bullseye
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July 14, 2021 4:25 am

Everything – and I do mean everything – in the UK now goes through a ‘race lens’ by default; hence at the end of the Euros we’ve been hectored and lectured on just how racist we, as a people, are.

The BBC and The Guardian followed by Sky etc are leading the charge.

we manufactured the anthropocene

Indeed, they did; in their fevered imaginations. And all their neuroses, too.

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Reply to  fretslider
July 14, 2021 6:37 am

Every sane person is naturally racist by birth, like any other animal. All of them value their own species and their own kind higher than other creatures – they know where they belong from the very beginning. It is something to be proud of if one still feels it. Shows that one hasn’t been corrupted to the point of ignoring what your own senses and instincts tell you. Teaching people to be not racist is a way of breaking their spirit and their inborn ability to tell family from strangers, peace from war, good from evil.

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Reply to  AlexBerlin
July 14, 2021 7:36 am

I’d say we’re tribal

Tom Abbott
Reply to  AlexBerlin
July 14, 2021 8:55 am

“Every sane person is naturally racist by birth, like any other animal. All of them value their own species and their own kind higher than other creatures – they know where they belong from the very beginning.”

I don’t think one is a naturally-born racist. I think people are naturally afraid of strangeness and the unknown. It’s a survival mechanism.

I saw an experiment a few years ago where an infant and his mother went into an empty room, with the mother holding the baby in her arms.

A short time later, a person who was a stranger to the baby came into the room and stood very near to the mother and the baby, but took no other action other than just standing there close.

You could see the baby slowly leaning away from the stranger until it had moved as far away as it could go. It was a natural human reaction to the unknown.

The baby didn’t understand any color or race differences in the experiment, all it knew was that an unknown possible danger had entered into its life.

As far as racism goes, in our less evolved days, different races were suspicious of other races because they were unknown to them, just like the baby was suspicious of the stranger.

Today, the races live much closer together and the different races are not unfamiliar anymore. We don’t face unknown dangers from other races, as was feared in the past. So we get along a lot better now, in our more enlightened age. At least for the enlightened.

Abolition Man
Reply to  AlexBerlin
July 14, 2021 10:23 am

What color horse do you feel is best?
I’d always looked at conformation and inquisitiveness, among other characteristics, as the best guides for choosing; but maybe you can teach me a better way!
I’d always believed that racism was based in hatred, ignorance and fear, but maybe you’re one of those “tolerant and inclusive” racists; like most DemoKKKrats

Reply to  AlexBerlin
July 14, 2021 12:20 pm

Fear of the unknown is natural for the ignorant.
Most of us grow out of it as we grow up and learn more.

Peta of Newark
July 14, 2021 4:37 am

Headline:”The Florida Building Collapse was a George Floyd Climate Action Turning Point”
In many ways absolutely yes

In the exact same way you get:

  • Floyd = Crap Policemen
  • Miami =Crap Builders
  • Climate Change = Crap Scientists
  • Climate Mitigation = Crap Politicians

and the Crap Policeman went to jail so bring it on, what we waiting for………….

Reply to  Peta of Newark
July 14, 2021 4:45 am

2+2 = white supremacy

Reply to  Peta of Newark
July 14, 2021 6:41 am

One correction:

Floyd = Crap Justice sending a policeman to jail for doing his duty in exemplary fashion

July 14, 2021 4:47 am

Really? The building collapsed because it swallowed a bunch of stamp bags full of fentanyl when it saw some cops coming to arrest it?

Rod Evans
July 14, 2021 4:48 am

I read the article by Rebecca Solnit.
There were only two things wrong, as far as I could see.
1. The fact someone that lacking in factual knowledge is allowed out on their own.
2. The fact a published news paper, even one as crazy as the Guardian, would carry it as a serious viewpoint.
The Guardian is far from alone sadly, when it comes to journalists being allowed to write nonsense pieced with zero scientific value.
Even the Daily Telegraph have writers paid to pen such rubbish. One such numpty , I won’t name him, wrote yesterday, the heat pulse in the North West USA last week was caused by man made CO2 emissions.
That is how crazy it has got here in the UK newspaper business.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Rod Evans
July 14, 2021 5:10 am

Britney Spears isn’t the only one who seems to need a conservator to make sure she doesn’t harm herself.

Gerry, England
July 14, 2021 5:03 am

‘Fruit is being cooked on the tree.’

Not in my orchard as there is hardly any fruit at all thanks to the relentless cold of April and early May with nightly frosts and low temperatures. My worst year on record (in true warmist style I will gloss over only having been here 6 years) – it’s unprecedented.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Gerry, England
July 14, 2021 10:35 am

For Climate Hyperbole, that one is a keeper. It makes me think of pie a la mode. Yum!

July 14, 2021 5:32 am

So far NOT ONE mention of REBAR. Look again at the photos, videos of the rebar in the columns and scant rebar in the flooring. Then consider this building was built 40+ years ago in a moist, salty environment. Just like potholes grow from freezing and thawing (Climate Change), any exposure of the rebar to the air will allow salty moisture to contact the rebar, this causes the rebar to rust. the rust increases the size of the gap between the rebar and allows more salty moisture to penetrate the gap, which travels by capillary action to propagate the corrosion. Flooded basements and the constant presence of salty moisture create the failure. The salty moisture is the Climate where the building is so again, Climate Change. Actually it is what those in the construction business call “Concrete Cancer. Any Muscle car buff knows that you do not want that “Dream Car” from Florida. They have seen more salt (or at least have the potential) than one from northern Minnesota, and for 12 months of the year!

Abolition Man
Reply to  Rich Lentz
July 14, 2021 12:48 pm

I think UBC now requires rebar used in marine environments to be coated! Sadly, 40 years ago they did not!
This sounds like a deadly game of kick-the-can-down-the-road; let someone else make the decision and break the bad news to the owners! The only benefactors will be some trial lawyers

Nick Schroeder
July 14, 2021 5:46 am

George Floyd might not be a good analogy.

Rights come with responsibilities, expectations, behaviors.
Obeying the laws is big one.
Disobey the laws, lose some rights.
In a capital case, the right to breath.
Civil behavior is another.
YTD 375 shot & killed!!!!!! Every 11 h 33 m.
YTD 1,799 shot & wounded!!!!!!!!!!!! Every 2 h 07 m
82.6% BLACK!!
Chicago, where black lives really do not matter.
Same in Detroit, Baltimore, KC……
Shot by police: 4 dead, 6 wounded.
I guess not newsworthy enough for the fake news MSM woke talking heads to foment riots.
If Garfield Park, Austin, Englewood, Humboldt were plantations the Massa would roll through with shot guns and dogs and put an end to that shit – it’s bad for the bottom line.
Maybe blacks NEED slavery!
Kaepernick, Rahm and Obama should hold a “cease fire” kneeling celebration.
Ballistic vest and helmet recommended.

BLM & SJW should be be collectin’ the guns.

Reply to  Nick Schroeder
July 14, 2021 8:10 am

Some, Select [Black] Lives Matter in the street, in the store, in the neighborhood… deja vu. Social justice anywhere is injustice everywhere.

That said, Baby Lives Matter.

Reply to  Nick Schroeder
July 14, 2021 8:14 am

Yes, all dual-use weapons, including: guns, bats, cars, and especially scalpels, too.

Ian Coleman
July 14, 2021 5:50 am

The constant problem for the climate change catastrophists is how to get regular people to care about climate change. In fact, the only people I have ever read on the subject of climate change are people who are being paid to stir up fear of it. Nobody else gives a rat’s rear end.

When was the last time anybody spontaneously admitted to fear of climate change in an ordinary conversation? It just doesn’t happen.

Carlo, Monte
July 14, 2021 6:20 am

They can’t call it a tipping point because it collapsed downward? Thus:

tipping point ——> turning point

July 14, 2021 6:22 am

Criminals are Victims, Policemen are Murderers, Fossil Fuels hurt our Planet, Renewables are our Future. Black is White, Evil is Good. The same tired lie all over again.

Robert Hanson
Reply to  AlexBerlin
July 21, 2021 1:06 pm

You forgot “we have always been at war with Eastasia”….

Komerade cube
July 14, 2021 7:10 am

Does Griff write for the Guardian?

Reply to  Komerade cube
July 14, 2021 7:38 am

He fits the profile alright

Dave Andrews
Reply to  Komerade cube
July 14, 2021 7:44 am

No. But I think he dates Rebecca Solnit

Climate believer
Reply to  Dave Andrews
July 14, 2021 10:23 am

Always had the Grifter down as a she, but maybe he’s on too much soy, that’ll do it.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Dave Andrews
July 14, 2021 10:42 am

I very much doubt that either Rebecca or Griff date. That’s why their brains keep misfiring.

Reply to  Komerade cube
July 14, 2021 3:58 pm

Yes he does, but he has to bring his own crayons.

July 14, 2021 7:31 am

Guardian: It’s a ‘news’ business model don’t ya know.

Reply to  ResourceGuy
July 14, 2021 7:39 am

One that constantly fails to break even

Reply to  fretslider
July 14, 2021 8:03 am

Au contraire, what is the cost to sacrifice a few [million] babies…. facts, annually, when the rite is politically profitable with a depraved state of mind.

Steve Z
July 14, 2021 8:39 am

So, one building collapses along the Florida coast, and all of a sudden “global warming” caused saltwater intrusion that supposedly caused the building to collapse? Saltwater intrusion is primarily due to people using fresh water from the aquifer faster than it can be filled with seepage from rain water, so that salt water fills the void. But whether a space between underground layers is filled with salt water or fresh water would have little effect on its structural stability.

Several years ago, a major bridge across the Mississippi River near Minneapolis collapsed during the summer, but nobody blamed that on “global warming’, but on structural defects which had not been properly repaired. Instead of rushing to judgment about the Florida building collapse, let’s have some civil engineers inspect the rubble and determine whether or not it was structurally sound or properly maintained.

Shortly after the building collapse in Florida, I was visiting relatives who lived in another condo along the Florida coast, and they mentioned that it was discovered that the building which collapsed had been built on sand, while they had no fear for their own building (which was built about the same time as the collapsed building) since its foundation was on bedrock.

About 2,000 years ago, Jesus said that a house built on sand would be swept away by storms, while a house built on rock would withstand the same storm. Nobody worried about global warming back then, but it’s common knowledge that the east coast of Florida gets frequent hurricanes. Whoever built that collapsed building didn’t take Jesus’ advice, and suffered the consequences.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Steve Z
July 14, 2021 5:29 pm

The condo was not built on a foundation of sand.

Big Al
July 14, 2021 9:28 am

The apartment building contained virus. Not Wacked Virus destroyed this building.

Rory Forbes
July 14, 2021 10:15 am

That is even fit to line a bird cage. Rebecca needs to find some other line of work.

July 14, 2021 11:40 am

Why even bother arguing with the content of an “opinion piece” on a left wing campaign platform which does not even pretend to be journalistic content.

You may as well go and argue with Twitter !!

July 14, 2021 11:48 am

Quite amusing reading this after reading Curry’s 5-minute synopsis…

July 14, 2021 3:21 pm

Unfortunately, this is mainstream. It is getting increasingly difficult to argue against it. Most people I know give me funny looks if I stray onto the subject, if I am not “on message”

July 14, 2021 3:24 pm

“The climate was an overarching, underlying condition of our lives and planet, and the change was incremental and intricate and hard to recognize if you weren’t keeping track of this species or that temperature record.” 

If you were keeping track of the temperature record you would know that the earth is not warming.

And in the next quote not only did they not mention the name of the town (Lytton) and why not, but they used 8F degree higher than the old record from 1937. Why use 8 because it’s a bigger number than 4.6C. Canada uses C as does Britain so why F, because it looks better for warmunists than C

“In Canada the previous highest temperature was broken by eight degrees Fahrenheit, a big lurch into the dangerous new conditions human beings have made, and then most of the town in which that record was set burned down.”

July 14, 2021 8:17 pm

eh? … George Floyd?! … climate action?!
Is this juxtaposition for some sort of circus-performance? Will there be clowns?

Pat from kerbob
July 14, 2021 9:29 pm

Yes, it was hot here in calgary during the heat wave
As a result my garden is off the hook, booming, I have 8’ tall delphiniums for Pete’s sake

And I got 2” of rain in last 7 days

Loving the heat, at least my garden is

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