A Tale of Two States: A Warning About Joe Biden’s Power Plan

By Larry Behrens
July 06, 2021

With President Biden pressing on with attacks against America’s oil and natural gas workers to push his environmental agenda, it’s past time to shed a little light on the failure he’s promoting. He may claim that his proposal to produce 80% of America’s electricity through non-carbon sources is a bold new idea, it’s actually a green failure that he’s trying to recycle…and we’ve got the receipts from two states to prove it.

Let me introduce you to California and Arizona, two neighboring states where one has embraced the Biden Green Plan for years while the other rejected it. Rest assured, Biden, John Kerry, and their army of eco warriors are hoping you ignore the following inconvenient truths.

In November 2018, Arizona voters soundly defeated Prop 127 by a margin of more than 2 to 1. The ballot measure was heavily pushed by former presidential candidate current extreme eco-leftist billionaire Tom Steyer. Similar to Biden’s plan, Prop 127 required Arizona to get 50 percent of its power from “renewable” sources by 2030. Keep in mind, these are the same voters that would elect a Democrat to the US Senate and give its electoral votes to Biden just two years later, tipping the presidential race toward the left. In other words, Prop 127, less restrictive than the Biden plan, proved to be too extreme for down-the-middle voters

While 70 percent of Arizonans were rejecting the (future) Biden plan, California lawmakers passed SB 100 which forced a renewable standard of 60 percent by 2030.

The vastly different results speak for themselves.

Working families in California were on the receiving end of rolling blackouts in August 2020 as temperatures reached triple digits in some areas. Those blackouts, the first in nearly 20 decades, might not be the last as regulators warn it could be “lights out” for The Golden State in summer 2021 as well.

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At the very same time California’s families were scrambling for the power to stay cool, the residents of Phoenix were enduring 50 straight days of temperatures of over 110 degrees. Yet, families were able to stay cool because Arizona relies on natural gas and nuclear power for most of their energy. Both of those sources are outlawed under California’s radical plan. Voters rejected the Biden plan and not only did the power keep flowing, but their wallets didn’t suffer. Lower energy costs and no power outages is the result in Arizona.

California’s families already pay some of the highest eclectic rates in the nation, but in just the last year alone, the price of electricity has shot up nearly 11 percent. So, while the people of California were dodging rolling blackouts, they were also paying an ever-increasing premium for adopting the Biden plan.

For the record, the average electric bill in Arizona increased a mere 0.1 percent during the same time.

Sadly, these terrible results are just the beginning. Today, California is able to skirt some of the worst impacts of their terrible decisions because their leaders import 25 percent of all their electricity from other states, including places that, you guessed it, produce that electricity from carbon-based sources. You shouldn’t be surprised to learn that one of the states that sells California their power is…Arizona.

If the U.S. adopts the California/Biden plan, there is no backup state for us to import our power. There’s just high prices, rolling blackouts and empty promises. Those are the only real sources of power in the Biden plan.

Larry Behrens is the author of the report, “Lights Out: How Green Mandates Are Undermining the Affordability and Reliability of Electricity.” He currently works as the Western States Director for Power The Future, an organization fighting for America’s Energy Workers. He previously served as Communications Director for New Mexico Governor Susana Martinez. You can find him on Twitter at @larrybehrens 

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July 8, 2021 2:03 pm

And the cancer has metastasized and is spreading to Nevada.

Joel Snider
Reply to  co2isnotevil
July 8, 2021 4:40 pm

And it’s a full-body cancer. Climate change is just one aspect. The headline should read ‘Joe Biden’s energy plan’ because energy is just one weapon in the progressives’ ultimate power plan.

MAL
Reply to  co2isnotevil
July 8, 2021 7:11 pm

Arizona Corporate commission vote to be carbon free by 2170 so we are going to get hit the same. Of course I won’t live long enough to see the damage.

chemman
Reply to  MAL
July 8, 2021 8:59 pm

People can vote in new ACC members to overturn the vote. Also, my guess is they are pushing it out that far to allow for energy breakthroughs.

John Tillman
July 8, 2021 2:06 pm

Wind power in OR and WA makes it impossible to optimize hydro.

Mark Whitney
Reply to  John Tillman
July 9, 2021 6:57 am

Utah has wind generation, but most of it is sold to California.

dk_
July 8, 2021 2:26 pm

Editors. Hyperlinks inset in the middle of the piece appear to be phishing and/or spam. My software is indicating http://www.mgid.com links are suspicious.

Stephen Philbrick
Reply to  dk_
July 8, 2021 3:15 pm

I interpreted them as ads that weren’t properly rendered.

dk_
Reply to  Stephen Philbrick
July 8, 2021 3:30 pm

I’m not used to seeing them in the middle of a WUWT post.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Stephen Philbrick
July 8, 2021 3:38 pm

They are intentionally rendered in HTML coding that way to trick readers of blogs like WUWT to click on them.

I wish Anthony would go to a no ad (un-monetized) revenue blog model and host a Patreon account so we could subscribe and send him monthly payments rather than all the annoying ads on some of my browsers. I would send him $10/month on Patreon subscription, where he could offer 3 different levels, like $5/month, $10/month or $$25/month subscriptions and then he could see who his loyal followers/readers/commenters are and who a free loading readers readers of the WUWT blog are or they could also chose to be anonymous to him.

Right now I suspect though Anthony gets several Thousand dollars a month in ad revenue as a monetized website. Money like that can be very corrupting.

Derg
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 8, 2021 5:01 pm

The No Agenda podcast is totally supported by its audience and has been for over 13 years. No Patreon. Donations are sent directly to John C Dvorak

PaulH
Reply to  dk_
July 8, 2021 3:46 pm

Install the “uBlock Origin” browser extension. You’ll still see the links, but it will block access if you inadvertently click a bad one.

dk_
Reply to  PaulH
July 8, 2021 7:19 pm

Thanks Paul, that explains what I’m seeing.

Jon
Reply to  dk_
July 8, 2021 9:22 pm

Hyperlinks in the middle of text were part of the concept of hypertext 30 years ago. It’s interesting that the theory upon which the internet is based is now considered spam.

dk_
Reply to  Jon
July 8, 2021 11:36 pm

Not in the middle of an article where they’ve not appeared before. And not setting off alarms in freshly updated browser add-ons. And it was more than 30 years. And internet spam is based on just that technology. But thanks, Captain Obvious, your insights are obvious.

dk_
Reply to  Jon
July 8, 2021 11:54 pm

…and thanks to Writing Observer, below. It is pleasant to have ones suspicions confirmed even under unpleasant circumstances.

James Snook
July 8, 2021 2:28 pm

As I type this, the UK’s massive fleet of subsidised wind turbines, which includes the World’s largest concentration of off shore turbines, is producing a paltry 2% of our needs. As it’s dark, solar is contributing zero (and my electricity bill is rocketing again).

Net zero by 2050 is even less credible than unicorn farming in Parliament Square.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  James Snook
July 8, 2021 2:43 pm

But BoJo and Carrie beg to differ…

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 8, 2021 3:05 pm

griff will be along shortly to deny reality…

Tsk Tsk
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 8, 2021 6:39 pm

I can’t be out of electricity. I still have outlets.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  James Snook
July 8, 2021 3:46 pm

They gas-light the masses by telling them some deceptive line like, “Last month, our renewables supplied 60% of our electricity needs.”

Which of course is a half-truth. What they really meant was:

  • For about a 6-hour period (typical) last month on the second Tuesday of the month, from 12noon to 6pm, the UK’s wind turbines were supplying 60% of electrical power.
  • The rest of the story: For the other 714 hours, wind power fell really short of that demand and it was natural gas power and nuclear power and HVDC interconnects from the Continent saved our arses.

They lie by telling partial truths.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 8, 2021 4:42 pm

Lucifer language.

John in Oz
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 8, 2021 4:59 pm

They also do not discriminate between supply and demand.

Generating power when it is not needed is as bad as not generating when needed.

bill Johnston
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 9, 2021 7:13 am

And stating plate capacity when extolling the virtues of the proposed windmill park.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 9, 2021 8:21 am

Renewable energy fantasists like Griff are unable to distinguish between Power (in watts, or joules per second), and Energy (in joules).

Rich Lentz
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 10, 2021 7:03 pm

The Democratic Liberal are the experts in “True Lies.” Even Democratic Liberal is a True Lie!.

Reply to  James Snook
July 8, 2021 4:08 pm

Something like $10 trillion in batteries should do it. Oh wait, you are also going to electrify your cars, trucks, trains, heating systems and industrial gas uses. Make that $20 trillion. Now where did I put that lithium?

starzmom
Reply to  James Snook
July 8, 2021 4:42 pm

I live in Kansas. Kansas means “people of the south wind” in the native American language. In the past two weeks, average 3-10% of our power has come from wind, and 80-85% has come from fossil fuels. It isn’t that we don’t have lots of wind farms, it’s that sometimes the wind doesn’t blow–for days on end. Oh, and the temperatures were well above 90 across the whole state. No amount of storage will fix that problem.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  starzmom
July 9, 2021 2:39 pm

Near Topeka the wind has been 2mph or less for five of the past seven days Yesterday peaked at 6mph but averaged about 4mph. Today has peaked at 8mph but, again, has averaged about only about 4mph. It’s been totally calm from sunset to sunrise, no wind power available at all. Thunderstorms expected tonight might give us some wind power at night.

How much battery power would be needed to cover our needs for the past week if we had no fossil fuel power?

Rich Lentz
Reply to  Tim Gorman
July 10, 2021 7:17 pm

I live in Nebraska near the edge of the edge of the band of the highest wind speed in the US. ( https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/wind/where-wind-power-is-harnessed.php ) What amazes me is that I have a weather station with an anemometer mounted 35 ft above ground [on the top of a hill] and more than 50% of the time the reading is 2mph are LESS.The only readings above 10mph are “Gusts,”

leitmotif
July 8, 2021 2:31 pm

Biden became the worst US president in history the day he took office.

Quite a feat.

John Tillman
Reply to  leitmotif
July 8, 2021 2:33 pm

Against stiff competition!

Rud Istvan
Reply to  leitmotif
July 8, 2021 2:45 pm

Jimmy Carter is smiling in relief.

John Tillman
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 8, 2021 3:00 pm

Also from their holes in Hell Pierce, Buchanan and LBJ.

Komerade Cube
Reply to  John Tillman
July 8, 2021 3:36 pm

And FDR and Obummer

John Tillman
Reply to  Komerade Cube
July 8, 2021 3:51 pm

The list is long, as I mentioned. Wilson is in the running. Harding, however bad, did no great damage. Nixon OTOH ranks somewhere among those execrable Democrats. But still preferable to Humphrey and McGovern.

MarkW
Reply to  John Tillman
July 8, 2021 4:08 pm

The only difference between Nixon and most Democrats is that Nixon got caught and he didn’t have a lap dog media to cover for him.

John Tillman
Reply to  MarkW
July 8, 2021 4:22 pm

Yup. Compared to LBJ in the corruption Olympics, RMN wasn’t even a qualifier..

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  John Tillman
July 9, 2021 5:41 am

Just because LBJ won his first election with the last 500 voters voting in alphabetical order?

Ferdberple
Reply to  John Tillman
July 8, 2021 4:29 pm

LBJ. And to think there are folks that still believe patsy oswald done it. What did he have to gain?

John Tillman
Reply to  Ferdberple
July 8, 2021 4:42 pm

In the ’50s and ’60s there were plenty of Commies with martyr complexes.

Ethel Rosenberg chose death over her children.

DrEd
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 9, 2021 7:51 pm

And so is Obama, but he gets the silver. Jimmy is demoted to the bronze.

AWG
Reply to  leitmotif
July 8, 2021 2:56 pm

Depends on how you define “worst” and “president”.

I still refer to Biden as “former Vice President” as the winner of the 2020 Election and President in Exile currently resides in Florida.

For those who believe that the 2020 Election was as pure as the wind driven snow, it is not possible to honestly say that Biden is in charge of anything, including his own faculties, so I am willing to give him space and say he isn’t the “worst” since he really isn’t fulfilling the traditional requirements (what happened to the 25th Amendment?)

For those who believe there was fraud but the military junta currently occupying DC is legitimate, then it is best to refer to the “US” as the “former US”.

Regardless, what happened to the 10th Amendment? Apparently it only applies when performing economic and social destruction.

leitmotif
Reply to  AWG
July 8, 2021 3:15 pm

Before the votes were counted the bookies had Biden at odds of 1/3. In UK time I went to bed about 3.30 am and everything had changed, Biden was way out at odds of 3/1. When I awoke Biden had won.

How is that possible?

Did all the rich guys put millions on Biden at odds of 3/1? Never seen that before.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  AWG
July 8, 2021 5:47 pm

Democrats, circa 2017: “you can’t trust electronic voting machines!”

Democrats, circa 2019: “you can’t trust electronic voting machines!”

Democrats, circa 2021: “the most secure election in history!”

I smell a rat.

Reply to  AWG
July 8, 2021 7:59 pm

Depends on how you define “is” according to another demrat disaster.

Duker
Reply to  Anti_griff
July 9, 2021 2:35 am

The states that flipped for Biden were Republican controlled, some of the judges that threw out the rubbish lawsuits were appointed by Trump

You can’t let it go can you, others eventually got it that Trump bought out new voters in 2016 that were strongly for him, time to realize that even more people opposed to Trump voted this time to let him stay permanently on the golf course, hence the record turnout, along with his consistent negative ratings for full 4 years , that spells defeat

JamesD
Reply to  Duker
July 9, 2021 6:42 am

We just want an audit. And how about the FBI start with the person who put out the “water main break” story in Georgia? Start there and ask him who told him to do it. But after all of the evidence of wrong doing, we should FINALLY get the results of ONE audit in Arizona, in August.

MarkW
Reply to  Duker
July 9, 2021 10:15 am

Just because a state may be overall Republican, does not mean there aren’t pockets that are 100% in the hands of Democrats.
In most states, control of the electoral process is at the city or county level, not the state level.

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Independent
Reply to  leitmotif
July 8, 2021 3:25 pm

Eight years of constant scandal, corruption, stupidity, and anti-Americanism during the Obama administration say hi.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Independent
July 9, 2021 2:47 pm

Yes, I used to say Obama was the worst president evah!, but Biden has eclipsed him in six months.

Biden is getting ready to turn another effort of the U.S. military into a humanitarian disaster. I’m speaking of Afghanistan.

Biden is connected to the three biggest foreign policy failures in U.S. history: In 1975, Biden was a Congressman and he voted to sell the South Vietnamese down the river, after the North Vietnamese attacked again and violated the Paris Peace Accords.

The Paris Peace Accords obligated the United States to go to the aid of South Vietnam if the North Vietnamese attacked them again, but Joe Biden and the other radical Democrats in Congress at the time had the majority and said to hell with South Vietnam and its people even though the U.S. was morally and legally obliged to go to their aid. Millions of South Vietnamese were k!lled and displaced as a result of Biden’s backstabbing.

And then during the Obama-Biden administration, Biden was put in charge of Iraq and promptly pulled out too many troops and as a result, the Islamic Terror Army came into being and started attacking all over the Middle East causing the death and displacement of millions of innocent people there. The situation wasn’t fixed until Trump came into office and destroyed the Islamic Terror Army.

And now, Biden is in charge of Afghanistan and he is repeating the procedure. He is cutting and running as fast as he can and leaving our allies in a very bad situation. Who wants to depend on the Americans anymore?

This is the pattern with anti-war, appeaser Democrats like Biden. The U.S. military goes into a country and gets the situation under control, and then the Democrats come into power and throw all that blood, sweat, tears, and money out the window like it was nothing.

Now the troops who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan know how the Vietnam veterans feel.

The Democrats are completely incapable of defending the United States. They just won’t do it. They have proven it time after time. Their cluelessness will get us all k!lled.

I feel so sorry for all the Afghanistan women and children who will be re-introduced to Taliban slavery in the near future. It didn’t have to happen.

Biden and the Demcrats are such fools.

No American has d!ed in Afghanistan in over a year. We should have left a residual force there and kept the Baghram airbase and our intelligence resources there. It would have cost us very little. But when you are cutting and running, you don’t think about things like that.

Now Biden has just opened the door for all our enemies such as China, Russia and Iran.

This is what you get when Democrat fools are running the show.

I heard a former Tump administration official saying today that we failed at nation building in South Vietnam, and Iraq and Afghanistan and that’s why we should get out of Afghanistan.

But the reason the nation building failed is because the Democrats stopped it prematurely. The United States currently has troops and successful nation building efforts in Germany, in Japan, and in South Korea.

They all worked out just fine, and South Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan could have turned out the same way if the U.S. had competent, clear-eyed leadership. Democrat stupidity is what brought those three nations down, resulting in millions of casualties.

It was in our interests to stay in Afghanistan. We were not losing troops, the Afghan military was taking care of the fighting, and we needed to stay in order to bolster the Aghan army’s confidence.

Biden says the Afghan army can take care of itself. Well, the South Vietnamese army could take care of itself, too, but when the United States abandoned them, they lost hope and gave up the fight and turned around and ran away. Don’t be surprised if you see the same thing happen in Afghanistan.

Biden is a dangerous, delusional fool. The Worst President Evah!

Joel Snider
Reply to  leitmotif
July 8, 2021 5:09 pm

To be fair, Biden has very little to do with this administration other than being its face. They might as well as installed a parrot.

John Tillman
Reply to  Joel Snider
July 8, 2021 5:20 pm

Zombie parrot.

Norwegian Blue.

Rich Davis
Reply to  John Tillman
July 8, 2021 8:03 pm

Never gets old does it?

Rory Forbes
Reply to  Joel Snider
July 8, 2021 5:34 pm

Yeah .. a dead parrot … possibly a “resting”, Norwegian Blue.

DrEd
Reply to  Joel Snider
July 9, 2021 7:59 pm

They put in a sock puppet instead.

Rory Forbes
Reply to  leitmotif
July 8, 2021 5:28 pm

That’s quite a vacuum his administration caused, considering they took over from arguably the best president.

Reply to  leitmotif
July 8, 2021 7:54 pm

Come on man…you ain’t seen nothin’ yet…give Joey a chance….and give him the test…the cognitive test. Seriously, Joey needs to be impeached and deported to Cuba.

Rud Istvan
July 8, 2021 2:38 pm

Nice post. A REALLY inconvenient truth in the comparison of AZ to CA.

The CA electricity grid does not run very well (or eventually at all) on green Biden/Kerry/AOC renewable fantasies. Needs backup for intermittency that renewables do not pay for and CA will not allow, and needs grid inertia that renewables do not provide.
Nor will CA be able to continue importing electricity salvation. Four Corners (big old coal) will be closing soon because already beyond typical coal station lifetime; won’t be replaced because coal is more expensive in every way than CCGT: capital cost, fuel efficiency/cost; true air pollution controls. Bonneville system hydro will be needed to save BC and WA from their own foolish wind aspirations.

Tsk Tsk
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 8, 2021 6:43 pm

Nor will CA be able to continue importing electricity salvation.

I think you underestimate how much more equal some animals are than others.

ResourceGuy
July 8, 2021 2:53 pm

It’s worse than that when you add in the fact consumers are being scammed with rooftop solar in AZ. Although there are many sunny days there, consumers are not getting adequate consumer protection information on final costs, utility-scale vs. individual rooftop scale cost per watt, and downstream cost issues like the requirement to remove the solar panels in order to do roof repairs or replacements. Consumer protection goes silent when it involves pushing agendas.

markl
July 8, 2021 2:53 pm

California is another crash test dummy for renewables joining Australia and soon to be parts of the EU.

H. D. Hoese
July 8, 2021 3:05 pm

“….we’ve got the receipts from two states to prove it.” As I’ve posted before we also have half century old experiment, this is just the second round of presumptive fossil windmills, some living fossil whirlybirds remained. Haven’t done homework on old literature, but lived it, maybe have time someday. Same period when there were still lots of serious pollution problems, have some of the references. History, homework?

John the Econ
July 8, 2021 3:07 pm

I just tell people that the day I am buying my electricity from California for less than I am paying now, I’ll be all in.

Rud Istvan
Reply to  John the Econ
July 8, 2021 4:05 pm

You would love the Germany-Norway deal. When Germany produces excess renewable electricity, Norway pays zero or negative import rates to take it in. They just reduce their hydro to compensate. Then, when Germany needs electricity because renewables are not producing, Norway turns on its hydro and charges Germany an exorbitant export rate. Norwegians are still Vikings, and are still pillaging Germany—in a now very civilized way.

John the Econ
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 8, 2021 4:33 pm

Did you see that Superbowl ad that admonished America that we “should be more like Norway”? I wholeheartedly agree, for the reason you state among others.

dk_
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 8, 2021 11:50 pm

Seems like I read here some time back that France was exporting nuclear power to Germany under a similar deal. Payback…

Rusty
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 9, 2021 2:21 am

The UK will start doing the same later this year.

Alan Watt, Climate Denialist Level 7
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 9, 2021 6:29 am

Rud:

I’ve heard that stated multiple times, but do you have references with numbers? There should be an official agreement between Germany and Norway providing the buy/sell prices. There should also be records of the flows on the HVDC link.

Unless Norway has a significant amount of pumped hydro, there’s a limit on how much excess they can “store” for the rest of Europe.

Thomas Gasloli
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 9, 2021 7:18 am

There is a similar issue between Ontario with too many wind turbines & Michigan. Whenever the actually blows in Ontario, Michigan power companies get free power and then charge the consumers for it. Great for the MI power companies, not so good for Ontario or the MI consumers paying for free power.

MarkW
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
July 9, 2021 10:19 am

The power from Ontario may be free, however I doubt the power from Ontario is sufficient to provide 100% of Michigan’s power needs.
Beyond that, there are other costs not directly related to power generation that have to be paid, even when the power is supposedly free.

Robert of Texas
July 8, 2021 3:08 pm

We just *love* (<Heavy Sarcasm>) our wind power here in Texas…More infrastructure the public pays for, more subsidies, politically protected power markets that practically doom natural gas and nuclear plants, blackouts, and the promise of more blackouts. What’s not to love? I mean, the billionaires are getting rich off of this!

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ResourceGuy
July 8, 2021 3:08 pm

Meanwhile Bill Gates is pushing ahead with a strange assortment of uncompetitive energy projects with preparations to offload them onto investors. At least Solyndra was rejected for an IPO by market due diligence, only to get Obama/Pelosi taxpayer money to lose. Gates is pushing new concentrating solar mirror nonsense with a diversity twist.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  ResourceGuy
July 8, 2021 5:52 pm

A little-known fact: Obama actually inherited the Solyndra contract from the Geo. W. Bush Solar America Initiative, which the Dept. of Energy picked as one of the initial 12 winners. That Obama kept the fraud alive is on him, of course.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 9, 2021 6:00 pm

Obama also waved off the staff warnings and financial flags in the agency review about the last tranche of money before the planned bankruptcy and later the final bonuses to the execs scumbags. And whose Congressional district was this in?

dk_
July 8, 2021 3:08 pm

Az is suffering from an influx of upper middle class California refugees who don’t see the connection between the policies and candidates that they elected in California and the fact that they had to leave it in order to survive. They are changing the Arizona politcal demographic towards that of the coast (a process once appropriately labeled by a national magazine in the case of another Western state as Californication). Hence Maricopa.

The Eagles’ “Last Resort” prophetically decried the spoil of California, today that process is a major state export.

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Nashville
Reply to  dk_
July 8, 2021 7:27 pm

Arizona should pass a law, anyone from out of State has a 10 ? Year waiting period before they can vote in any State or local elections.

MarkW
Reply to  Nashville
July 9, 2021 10:20 am

I’ve been saying for years that voting should be limited to those who are net taxpayers.

ResourceGuy
Reply to  Nashville
July 9, 2021 6:02 pm

Unless they are victims of forest fires or crime

Kenneth W Gareau
Reply to  dk_
July 8, 2021 7:50 pm

Yes we have had the influx of California refugees. How ever have you not seen the Maricopa County vo0ting re-count? The info being spoken of now is that just with what was illegal in Maricopa voting, will be enough to swing AZ back to Trump! And it is likely that the two next largest counties will also have a similar vote recount as well!

John Hultquist
Reply to  dk_
July 8, 2021 10:06 pm

 He didn’t write this song, but Dwight Yoakam’s version of The Late Great Golden State is the best known.

Stephen Philbrick
July 8, 2021 3:13 pm

It may be true that California has the:

 highest eclectic rates in the nation

but I’m guessing the author meant “electric”.

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starzmom
Reply to  Stephen Philbrick
July 8, 2021 4:46 pm

Many residents are pretty eclectic too.

Last edited 18 days ago by starzmom
commieBob
Reply to  Stephen Philbrick
July 8, 2021 4:51 pm

How about,

Those blackouts, the first in nearly 20 decades …

Somebody needs a proofreader.

Rich Davis
Reply to  commieBob
July 8, 2021 8:08 pm

No, no CB, it’s just that Cali hadn’t seen blackouts since the early days of their electric grid back in the early 1820s.

commieBob
Reply to  Rich Davis
July 8, 2021 8:22 pm

Good point. I suppose that’s too far back for anyone to remember the California Electricity Crisis. If that had happened, like in the last twenty years for instance, it would be unthinkable that people would make the same mistakes again.

Rich Davis
Reply to  commieBob
July 8, 2021 9:01 pm

So true. In the 1820s California was still run by Mexico, so we rarely hear about that part of its history. The Mexicans had some company called Enteron that was blamed for the whole thing. Some kind of accounting thing I think. And of course, everything has gone smoothly since then, especially since the one-party state. So it’s understandable that this unprecedented problem comes as a bit of a shock to today’s residents of the land of fruits and nuts.

Rob_Dawg
July 8, 2021 3:20 pm
Reply to  Rob_Dawg
July 8, 2021 4:55 pm

Rob_D
The Navajo coal electric plant [partially owned by Calif] was demolished Dec 18, 2020. You can watch the 3 smoke stacks topple here:
https://news.yahoo.com/navajo-coal-fired-power-plant-013012918.html
IIRC California still owns ~25% of the Palo Verde nuclear plant just west of Phoenix.

The Phoenix metropolitan area is served by 2 major electric providers: APS which runs the Palo Verde station, and SRP which has a mixed bag of hydroelectric, nat. gas and solar assets.
I use SRP’s time-of-day plan: $0.32/ kWh from 3pm-6pm M-F, and ~$0.08 all other times. So far it has been 1) very reliable and 2) affordable, and as long as those two features are met no one should care where the electricity comes from. They could use grandmas shuffling their slippered feet and touching door knobs as long as # 1& 2 are fulfilled. LOL

And we are having another fine summer day here in AZ, which is completely consistent with “climate change”. [ We need to remind everyone that CC includes the nice weather too.]

Thomas Gasloli
July 8, 2021 3:58 pm

In Michigan, Consumers Energy announced their were going to “accelerate” the shutdown of 2 coal generating facilities. I asked our PSC where that would leave us in dispatchable power relative to peak demand. Their answer was 89%. So, very soon Michigan will too be a land of blackouts

Scissor
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
July 8, 2021 5:22 pm

It seems appropriate that they changed their name from Consumers Power to Consumers Energy. I doubt that they knew that at the time.

DonM
Reply to  Thomas Gasloli
July 8, 2021 5:25 pm

Is not Michigan one of those states that gets cold every once in a while?

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  DonM
July 8, 2021 5:54 pm

Oh no, that’s a lie perpetrated by the climate deniers.

Ferdberple
July 8, 2021 4:21 pm

Ontario Canada adopted the Green New Deal and over a period on 10 years wrecked their economy. They went from being a nuclear powered “have” province to a hot air powered “have not”

The Brain Child for this train wreck is now in charge behind the scenes to bring this miracle to the rest of canada. He has the gift of turning dollars into tears.

Why behind the scenes? Well that is a long tale. Why the first indigenous female attorney general of Canada got sacked for standing up to Mr Black-face, and who was pulling his strings.

commieBob
Reply to  Ferdberple
July 8, 2021 5:00 pm

… the first indigenous female attorney general …

How about partially pre-European descended.

She set a trap into which Dances with Unicorns easily fell. She and her buddy Philpott tried their level best to bring him down. She wasn’t a principled AG standing up to the PM, she was a slimeball activist trying to drive a knife into his back.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  commieBob
July 8, 2021 5:42 pm

Wow
No

commieBob
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
July 8, 2021 7:56 pm

What’s your interpretation of what happened?

Rob_Dawg
July 8, 2021 4:45 pm

Go Green –> Go Dark.

Robert Alfred Taylor
July 8, 2021 4:46 pm

Needs editing: “20 decades,” “eclectic rates.”
And, I despise ads in the middle of articles.

BallBounces
July 8, 2021 5:29 pm

“Those blackouts, the first in nearly 20 decades”. More like two??

Pat from kerbob
July 8, 2021 5:41 pm

6:30pm in a nice day in AB
Wind producing 4% rated

Solar cruising at 40%, wow

http://ets.aeso.ca/ets_web/ip/Market/Reports/CSDReportServlet

Pat from kerbob
July 8, 2021 5:46 pm

And
It’s pretty funny to watch Bill Maher attack republicans and rattle on about climate change, and support democrats, and then go on about how disfunctional california is

And he is one of the smarter leftists, at least he listens to the other side
But he just doesn’t get it

Sara
July 8, 2021 6:21 pm

It appears that the people who object to anything producing electricity by means other than air and sunshine are ignorant of the myriad uses of petroleum and natural gas.

I found a 2016 article which provides a list of products – not the entire 6,000++ count, mind you — derived from petroleum and natural gas, and it’s here at this link:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/partial-list-over-6000-products-made-from-one-barrel-oil-steve-pryor

If I can’t use natural gas, which is more reliable that electricity (ask my nephew in Texas about that), to cook food and heat my home, then apparently I will have to add a wood-burning fireplace and cook the way my grandmothers did in the 19th century, and those people prior to them. Good thing I bought those reproduction antique cookbooks, ain’t it?

I am mystified by the utter idiocy that surrounds this need to shut down almost the entire planet because somehow, using products and fuels derived from natural resources is some peculiar kind of crime.

Perhaps the fuels that heat government buildings in WDC should be cut off shortly before next autumn sets in. That way, we can observe just how long Those People last without heat or lighting.

Nashville
July 8, 2021 7:31 pm

Just paid my electric bill here in Nashville, Tennessee.
$0.10009 per kWh
How do the electric rates stack up out West?

Reply to  Nashville
July 8, 2021 9:31 pm

Is that the “naked” rate per kWh, or the “all up” with the various fees, surcharges, etc. that are tacked on? With everything, my last one was $0.1645 per kWh. Taking out the fixed costs – meter and basic service and the “Renewable Energy Standard Tariff,” it’s $0.1530. “Naked” – only the costs of generating and delivering the power – $0.1266 per kWh.

Of course, my supplier is a company for profit – if you are on TVA, it is supposed to be non-profit.

John Hultquist
Reply to  Nashville
July 8, 2021 10:18 pm

 I have electric from a Public Utility District (PUD) in central Washington State. This is not the lowest, but close. Usually there is a small increase in November.
There is a Facilities Charge of $22.50 per month.
The Energy charge is $0.0950 / kWh

The PUD is not a producer. It buys and distributes. The Facilities Charge pays for all the things needed to operate – think poles, wire, metering, billing, and such like.

People might be interested in looking at the “Rates” page on their supplier’s web page.

Sara
Reply to  Nashville
July 9, 2021 5:57 am

Electricity supply: $0.05399/Kwh (supply rate only, not including other charges, but still lower than the city south of me)

My total monthly bill is FAR lower than the electric bill I had in three different apartments in the city to the south over a period of 30 years of living there. MUCH lower out here in the boonies.

No complaints from me.

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Ulkair
July 8, 2021 8:36 pm

If california wants to really walk the talk they should also ban importing energy from states that dont have similar laws

MarkW
Reply to  Ulkair
July 9, 2021 10:24 am

Like most liberals, they are only concerned about looking good, not actually doing good.

Juan Slayton
July 8, 2021 8:39 pm

The article is on target – and significantly understated. Nobody has yet mentioned the shutdown of Diablo Canyon nuclear. I’m looking at backup generators. Here’s a discussion of the subject (DC shutdown, not generators…)

https://blog.ucsusa.org/mark-specht/diablo-canyon-is-shutting-down-is-california-ready/

July 8, 2021 8:53 pm

@Charles – can you take the links to spam out of the middle of this post, please?

Reply to  Writing Observer
July 8, 2021 9:02 pm

Looking at the source, it is either an error – or an insertion attack. Just before the spam links, there is a link that you were apparently trying to make to a RealClearEnergy post (which doesn’t show up). That is because there is the “#” symbol at the end of the link, which suppresses the desired link text and picks up the spam after it, until a link end tag is hit with normal text following it.

One of the more subtle site attacks.

dk_
Reply to  Writing Observer
July 8, 2021 11:48 pm

Thank you. Seconded.

joel
July 8, 2021 9:33 pm

They also import 92% of their natural gas in CA.
They are totally dependent on imports for their electrical energy needs, just like the UK.
It is simply madness.

griff
July 9, 2021 12:48 am

California power demands reached a record due to the extreme hear caused by climate change: that stress on the system (with hydro levels low and high demand in other states) would have happened even in a fossil fuelled California… as would the shutdowns caused by fire risk from electric cables..

Tony S
Reply to  griff
July 9, 2021 2:22 am

Yawn….

At the time I write this, the UK’s vast fleet of subsidised bird choppers is producing a whole 210 Mega Watt. 0.61% of UK demand. Boris’s Saudi Arabia of wind is flat on its ass. Once our nuclear and coal is gone, the lights are going out here too. I wonder how much pain will need to be inflicted on the population before they wake up and vote out the idiots responsible for the mess.

Graemethecat
Reply to  griff
July 9, 2021 8:33 am

My friends in California tell me they never experienced blackouts in the past. Why now?

MarkW
Reply to  Graemethecat
July 9, 2021 10:26 am

According to griff, it’s because prior to last year, there were never any heat waves or droughts in California.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
July 9, 2021 10:25 am

In griff’s world, prior to the man burning fossil fuels, there were never any heat waves, nor any other type of bad weather.

Roger
Reply to  griff
July 9, 2021 10:29 pm

Griff, you are not acknowledging that before “green” we used oil and hydro for electrical generation.and blackouts was a term from WWII

joel
July 9, 2021 8:24 am

Today in the UK wind power hit a low of 0.157 GW. Natural gas is producing up to 100x as much electricity as wind today in the UK.
Why anybody pushes wind as a solution to the planetary crisis of global warming is beyond me. Just numerical illiteracy or dishonesty.

JEHILL
July 9, 2021 9:19 am

The two states; binary: power on; power off.

This is how Democrats show they care about people.

Quilter52
July 9, 2021 9:38 pm

We are treading the same path in Australia albeit a few years behind the US. Perhaps we actually need to have the rolling blackouts and very high prices and perhaps just total power failures to emphasise what engineers know and what our brainless arts graduates masquerading as politicians haven’t a clue about. I suspect it’s not going to be until the woke set can’t use their devices because there is no power to recharge them and we have food shortages in rich Western countries because we cannot get food to market that there will be adorning of realisation of what we have done to ourselves. Unfortunately China will probably own us all by then.

niceguy
July 13, 2021 5:39 pm

What’s the point of having so many armed Americans if you have to put up with so much crap?

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