Map showing much hotter than normal conditions across Washington, Oregon, and British Columbia on June 27. Credit: Weathermodels.com

Major Media FAIL on Reporting the Pacific Northwest Heatwave

The headline in E&E NewsWOWT-TVScientific AmericanWorldNewsNetworkand other media outlets this week, “Unprecedented Heat Wave in Pacific Northwest Driven by Climate Change” couldn’t possibly be more unscientific. With absolutely no analysis, no historical context, and nothing but conjecture, author Anne. C. Mulkern eschewed science for advocacy in her reporting of the brief Pacific Northwest (PNW) heat wave this week.

Yes, the heat wave set all-time high temperature records in Washington, Oregon, and Canada. But consider this: At best, we have about 150 years of reliable weather records for the PNW, so a “black swan” outlier event like this isn’t surprising. It’s happened before, most certainly. We just weren’t around to observe it. After all, Native Americans did not keep written weather records.

High (and low) temperature records are nothing new. But it is important to look at the past, because data show us that more high temperature records were set during the first half of the twentieth century than during the past 50 years. Even the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) confirms this.

But many climate activists immediately pointed to “climate change” as the cause, even though this week would have become a record weather event with or without recent modest warming. It is said that “climate change,” aka global warming, added about 2 degrees Fahrenheit over the past century, but the temperature of the past week far exceeded that.

The temperatures were so high, the small warming of 2°F of climate change was dwarfed. In cities, the “urban heat island effect” was also a bigger cause in this case. Portland and Seattle hit all-time highs of 116 and 108 Monday, while Lytton, Canada surged to a national record of 118. The EPA reports,

“…the heat island effect results in daytime temperatures in urban areas about 1–7°F higher than temperatures in outlying areas.”

The previous all-time record high for Portland was 107. Seattle’s all-time high was 103. Medford, Oregon tied its all-time record Monday of 115 degrees. It didn’t get hotter there than ever before because Medford was south of the center of the high-pressure dome.

Some of the high temperature records reported aren’t even accurate, for example:

Hmm, one wonders how an “error is data display” turns 108F into 120F. As far as I know the media has not reported this error.

It is often said that “weather is not climate” and that’s true. It is particularly true in this case.

The heat wave was entirely a weather pattern issue, not a climate issue. A large high-pressure dome (sometimes called a heat-dome) over the PNW is not unheard of, but this one was particularly strong. In fact, it was a result of a perfect storm of weather pattern confluence.

Weather model output illustrating the unusually strong heat dome over the Pacific Northwest on Sunday. (Source: PivotalWeather).

Similar unique weather pattern confluences happen each year to create major blizzards, torrential floods, and tornado outbreaks. It’s business as usual for Earth.

High pressure rotates clockwise, causes sinking air, and creates downslope winds (Foehn winds), which heat up because the air compresses as it flowed down the slope of the Cascade Mountains from east to west towards Portland and Seattle. It’s like the Santa Ana winds in Southern California. It’s the same effect as using a bicycle pump to fill a tire. The pump gets warm, not from friction, but because of the gas (air) is being compressed. Conversely, aerosol cans get colder, because gas under pressure is escaping and decompression occurs inside the can. This is described by science, known as the Adiabatic process.

Most interestingly, another record wasn’t trumpeted by the news media. With the heat-dome high pressure moving east, Seattle and Portland saw record rates of cooling. The National Weather Service office in Portland reported another new all-time record.

“Huge cooling Monday evening inland, with temperatures falling from above 100 deg to the 60s/70s. Portland set a new record, with a drop of 52 deg, breaking old record of 48 deg set in Sep 1988. Cooler today, with highs 85 to 93 inland, and 60s on the coast.”

That all-time record cooling event didn’t get much press because it goes against the groupthink narrative that “climate change” causes only bad things. Plus, the news media is often fixated on disaster more than good news.

When record heat and record cooling both happen within a 24-hour period, that’s inarguably weather, not climate.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) defines it well:

“Weather reflects short-term conditions of the atmosphere while climate is the average daily weather for an extended period of time at a certain location. … Weather can change from minute-to-minute, hour-to-hour, day-to-day, and season-to-season.”

Finally, in a hugely ironic twist, Scientific American, the same outlet that claimed the heat wave was driven by “climate change” confirms what NOAA and I just told you, saying Don’t Be Fooled: Weather Is Not Climate.

You can’t have it both ways.

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Paul Johnson
June 30, 2021 1:07 pm

Anthony – NOAA suggests 1-7 degrees of Urban Heat Island effect, does the rural data support this?

G Mawer
Reply to  Anthony Watts
June 30, 2021 1:26 pm

then the question is, did any rural areas break records?

Gyan1
Reply to  G Mawer
June 30, 2021 1:35 pm

Yes, by not as much as Seattle though.

John Tillman
Reply to  G Mawer
June 30, 2021 1:41 pm

Canby, between Portland and Salem, but a bit closer to the Cascades, reached 115 F. on Monday. It’s in a rural area, but has about 18,000 people. A degree F cooler than PDX. Salem hit 117 F.

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bdgwx
Reply to  G Mawer
June 30, 2021 2:40 pm

Yes. Lytton, BC not only shattered its own record, but shattered the Canadian record as well at 121F. It is rural with a population less than 1000.

Earthling2
Reply to  bdgwx
June 30, 2021 5:15 pm

Lytton probably has some of the highest swings in temps anywhere on the planet from summer to winter. I have lived there on and off for 20 years and still have an off grid cabin on the Fraser River 10 miles south of town, and in winter, it isn’t uncommon to get -25 F with Arctic outflows from the interior funnelled down the Fraser Canyon to the coast with 60-70 mph winds and driving snow with 80%-90% humidity. I have experienced -53 F further north, and that wet windy cold is about as dangerous weather you can get this side of Greenland or Antarctica.

And then 121 F yesterday, although the Canadian record previously had been Sweetgrass, Saskatchewan at 113 F. The Lytton weather station (CVLY) is about 300 feet above the Fraser River just a half mile south of town and the junction of the Thomson River, and in the shade so it is even hotter in town by a few degrees. 100+ F is normal for much of the summer. The only thing maybe a bit odd is that this happened in June, although is July tomorrow.
Actually, you can’t really tell any difference in the heat if you didn’t have a thermometer although if the UVB is strong, then even feels hotter in the direct Sun at 95 F. At least it is a dry heat and cools off at night with a nice down mountain breeze.

Earthling2
Reply to  Earthling2
June 30, 2021 9:41 pm

Unfortunate update tonight about Lytton, BC, in that part of the town has caught fire and is out of control from a nearby forest fire. The entire town of about 300 is currently being evacuated along with some rural people south of town. The Trans Canada Highway is closed from Boston Bar to Spences Bridge. I’m not religious, but wouldn’t hurt to say a prayer about right now. Or do a major rain dance…the majority around here are aboriginal tribes.

https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/lytton-residents-ordered-to-evacuate-as-wildfire-takes-control-of-village

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JCalvertN(UK)
Reply to  Earthling2
July 1, 2021 5:04 am

There is at least a large carpark’s worth of bare exposed rock immediately alongside that weather-station site. Lytton – Google Maps

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PabloNH
Reply to  Earthling2
July 2, 2021 1:07 pm

So much wrong here…

> Lytton probably has some of the highest swings in temps anywhere on the planet from summer to winter.

Not even close. Check out (e.g.) Ft. Vermillion, Alberta.

> in winter, it isn’t uncommon to get -25 F 

It is in Lytton. In fact, that’s the all-time record (set in 1950).

> Sweetgrass, Saskatchewan at 113 F.

No, that was in Mildale and Yellow Grass (in 1937). (You seem to be thinking of the Sweetgrass First Nation, about 450 km to the northwest.)

> 100+ F is normal for much of the summer.

Average July high is 82F. August is a bit warmer. And 100F occurs on around a dozen days per year. (Data are incomplete.)

Earthling2
Reply to  PabloNH
July 3, 2021 1:56 pm

Yes, got Yellow Grass and Sweetgrass mixed up, or my auto spell did. I have worked in fair close proximity to all the places mentioned and much of the prairie provinces would fall into this wide temperature variation.

Rural Lytton is a fairly large geographic area, and my properties there ranged in elevation from 400 feet below the official weather station to 1500 feet above, within a 10 mile distance. In winter, when it would be -22 F at the weather station, it would be -30 F 1500 feet higher up where my highest elevation property was. And with the wind chill in an Arctic outflow, that -22 F would feel like -59 F with a 40 mph wind, which isn’t unusual at all for the Fraser Canyon, and throw in very high humidity in a driving blizzard, and is worse than anything I have experienced from Uranium City to Fort Mac. Usually when it is -40 to -50 on the prairies, there isn’t much of a wind and the humidity is low and it isn’t snowing.

Have also seen heat waves in and around Lytton that would extend for a week or more over 100 F, and can reach that temp from anytime in early May to late Sept, so yes, the data is incomplete. 100 F is about 38 C and that is pretty common for certain locations in the BC interior for days on end multiple times of the year, from the Okanagan to Kamloops. Sure, there will be some cooler summers that drag the average down, but I think every person living in or around Lytton would disagree with only 12 days of the year over 38 C.

PabloNH
Reply to  Earthling2
July 4, 2021 11:40 pm

> In winter, when it would be -22 F at the weather station, it would be -30 F 1500 feet higher up where my highest elevation property was. 

-22F at the weather station is also very rare. In fact, it’s not unusual for a winter to pass without a single 0F reading; the coldest last winter was +14F. The last time it was -22F at the weather station was in 1962.

> over 100 F, and can reach that temp from anytime in early May to late Sept

Wrong again. It’s been 100F in Lytton in May only three times. The earliest was on the 26th in 1947. Similarly, in September it’s been 100F only once, in 2017.

>  I think every person living in or around Lytton would disagree with only 12 days of the year over 38 C.

Well, environment Canada disagrees, so you might want to take this up with them. Your “observations” so far have been so wildly inaccurate that I would tend to believe theirs…

Back to this:

> Lytton probably has some of the highest swings in temps anywhere on the planet from summer to winter.

Pretty much anywhere in the middle of North America (e.g. Winnipeg) – or Asia (say, Nir-Sultan) – has it beat.

PabloNH
Reply to  PabloNH
July 5, 2021 12:12 am

Correction: the last time it was -22F at the weather station was Dec 29-30, 1968. It hadn’t snowed since Christmas. The previous occurrence was in 1950.

More recently, since 2006 it’s been below 0F only 17 times, and the coldest it’s been was -14F in 2011.

Also since 2006, before this summer had been above 100F only 50 times. The most occurrences per year was 10 in 2014. The most consecutive such days was 4, also in 2014. There were no such days in 2011 and 2019, and only one in 2007 and 2016

JCalvertN(UK)
Reply to  bdgwx
July 1, 2021 4:52 am

Where and when was the Lytton temperature measured? Can you show me wear the Env. Canada station for Lytton is?

JCalvertN(UK)
Reply to  JCalvertN(UK)
July 1, 2021 4:56 am

Sorry, cancel that – as the comment below contains the answer.

Greg
Reply to  JCalvertN(UK)
July 1, 2021 8:45 am

Could you cite or link the comment in question. I can’t find it .

It would be good see what this site looks like.

JCalvertN(UK)
Reply to  Greg
July 1, 2021 11:26 am

See what you can make of this. I see a huge expanse of exposed rock immediately adjacent the site.
Lytton – Google Maps

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Earthling2
Reply to  JCalvertN(UK)
July 1, 2021 11:51 am

The huge expanse of exposed ‘rock’ is the gravel/stony river bank which rises about 200+ feet above the Fraser River to the grassy flat where the weather station is. The official CVLY weather station is in a fenced grassy enclosure at the south end of town. Here is a pic of the actual weather station just a day before the town caught on fire, probably from a passing train, which is the latest theory why 90% of the town burnt down last night.

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Allan MacRae
Reply to  bdgwx
July 2, 2021 5:45 pm

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2021/07/uah-global-temperature-update-for-june-2021-0-01-deg-c/

UAHLT anomaly was -0.01C For June 2021

Like I said, earth is cooling.
And the planet is much bigger than a little bit of the west of North America.

ColdH2O
Reply to  G Mawer
June 30, 2021 8:55 pm

Yes – Corvallis Oregon did break the all-time record for the rural location at 110. The previous record was 109. One of the best long-term data on weather in the Pacific Northwest can be found at this location where Oregon State University employees have been recording this data since 1893. The weather station is located at a university farm outside this small city. A second automated station is maintained by the US Bureau of Reclamation Agrimet system at the same site- this station recorded 109.8.

The long-term record indicates that high temperatures of this magnitude are observed once every 4 decades: 109 (1905), 107 (1946), 108 (1981), and 110 (2021). The graph shows the maximum annual temperatures for the location over the period of record (data source – Western Regional Climate Center).

Highest Annual Temperature.jpg
Darrin
Reply to  ColdH2O
June 30, 2021 10:59 pm

I grew up in Corvallis, OR so there are several things of note.

  1. In my lifetime Corvallis’s population has more than doubled from ~25k to ~60k.
  2. Hyslop station was moved back in ’67 so the record has a station move in it. FYI, Hyslop is not near the physical college but on piece of property miles away.
  3. Hyslop is in a rural area but it is not pristine. Nearby there is lots of bare dirt, lots of gravel, lots of ag buildings,<100 yds to a busy highway and rail road tracks. I would say it’s better than many stations but not exactly a pristine siting location.
  4. Albany, OR is just to the east. With wind directions blowing the direction it was blowing I imagine Albany’s UHI impacted the station. Before quoting Albany’s temperature please look up the stations location. I don’t know where the official station is but if it’s where I suspect it is located there are major siting issues. That would be at the airport, sandwiched between county fair grounds and freeway.

FYI, Hyslop is an experimental ag station and why there is a bunch of bare dirt. OSU plants in small lots and depending on what they are growing often planted in rows with them aggressively removing all but the test plants leaving lots of bare dirt.

One other thing. I recall reading an article on WUWT years ago about a study measuring UHI in rural areas. Bit blurry on the details but want to say it was shown that populations as low as 1k created enough UHI to impact nearby weather stations. So saying towns like Corvallis and Canby are rural would be misleading when discussing UHI. No they wouldn’t create as much heat as Portland or Seattle but would still be impacting measured highs and lows.

ColdH2O
Reply to  Darrin
July 1, 2021 8:24 am

The station did move from the growing city and campus to the rural Hyslop site. No one said it was pristine but it does represent a better indication of the real effects of climate change than the airport in Portland or most other sites in the region. But of course, the enemy of the good is the perfect.

The photo below shows the site.

Hyslop Weather STN.jpg
Darrin
Reply to  ColdH2O
July 1, 2021 10:01 am

I know the site and where the station is located, been to and by many times. If you look at it on google maps and start zooming out you can see the siting issues. Yes it’s rural but there are heat issues with the site location. OSU owns quite a bit of land in the area and could do a better job of locating their weather station if they cared to.

ColdH2O
Reply to  Darrin
July 1, 2021 8:12 pm

The site is located here because it is intended to provide weather information that is typical for agricultural production. Like I’ve previously indicated this is a research farm located in a farming area. So this provides the weather information as related to crop growth and development that is needed by many farmers in the valley. Despite living in the area you seem to know very little about the site and its purpose. The data from this station has been used in the publication of many agricultural science journal articles over the years.

davetherealist
Reply to  ColdH2O
July 1, 2021 12:10 pm

“the real effects of climate change” what exactly is that? has this locations ‘climate’ changed such that it had to be reclassified? Our man made construct using 30 year averages of weather , mostly temps and precipitation to define Climate would confirm that the climate at this location as not changed. no place on earth has changed its climate in the lifespan of a human. exception to any changes being observed are MICRO Climates created near man made lakes and cities,.

ColdH2O
Reply to  davetherealist
July 1, 2021 8:19 pm

There has been no change in the climate classification at this site. This rural site saw only a 1F increase over its all-time record while urban sites observed much greater increases that are much publicized. Thus, it does not appear to be much change in maximum annual temperatures at this site since 1893.

JCalvertN(UK)
Reply to  ColdH2O
July 1, 2021 6:58 pm

It is here I M – Google Maps
While not ideally sited (being sited among ploughed fields), it certainly is not within a UHI.

Tom Halla
June 30, 2021 1:09 pm

Everyone,s favorite pandering professor, Michael Mann is one of those claiming climate change is to blame in the NYT, another source with even less credibility.

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Patrick Hrushowy
Reply to  Tom Halla
June 30, 2021 3:01 pm

When the alarmists don’t have the data to prove their position they call it Climate Disruption, .that covers everything.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Patrick Hrushowy
June 30, 2021 11:28 pm

My list of descriptions so far, but it’s bound to increase, is Climate “breakdown/disaster/crisis/catastrophe/armageddon/emergency”, add in “disruption”, the list is getting good!!! 😉 Down here in South-West UK, (Devon) the sun is shining & like yesterday it’s going to be a lovely sunny breakdown/disaster/crisis/catastrophe/armageddon/emergency, so it’s breakfast down on the beach – yet again…..boring!!!!! ;-(

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Alan the Brit
July 1, 2021 1:23 am

Clinate weirding?

John Endicott
Reply to  Tom Halla
July 1, 2021 9:54 am

There is an old adage among lawyers that says, “If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts; if you have the law on your side, pound the law; if you have neither the facts nor the law, pound the table.” Mikey has been doing the science equivalent to pounding the table for decades.

June 30, 2021 1:13 pm

When record heat and record cooling both happen within a 24-hour period, that’s inarguably weather, not climate.

Anthony,
You nailed it.

Larry in Texas
June 30, 2021 1:18 pm

Hey, people of the Northwest – especially the media – try having a high pressure dome hang around for three months, like has been typical for Texas in summers past (although today, the high is only supposed to be a “comfortable” 92 degrees F). Then maybe you can “panic” – a little about the weather. Three to five days of that kind of heat in about 20+ years is nothing to squawk about. Time to move on.

MAL
Reply to  Larry in Texas
June 30, 2021 1:44 pm

Where I live it not considered hot until we get above 110, today the temp is predicted to be a balmy 103 of course I live in the desert southwest and average for today is 107 and we have 100 plus temps every day from sometime in May to the middle of September and that heat can come earlier or leave later in the year. Yet most of us have AC yet the there is a lot of people that must work out in the heat day in day out. I grew up and lived most of my life in a much cooler climate, there I did not have central air until the 1990s and I have had to sweat out a hundred plus heat more than once without air conditioning either in my house or car.

Reply to  MAL
June 30, 2021 3:03 pm

Where in the desert Southwest? Tucson – today’s high 94F, tomorrow is predicted to be 89F. Location matters – Phoenix will be hotter, Yuma will be <i>much</i> hotter, Tombstone will undoubtedly be quite a bit cooler.

Richard Patton
Reply to  MAL
July 1, 2021 10:46 am

I have lived in the desert southwest and in the tropics, and it is true that people get used to the heat. The human body is an amazing machine. We adapt on both ends of the temperature scale. Both Magellan and Darwin documented the natives of Tierra del Fuego next to the straits of Magellan as living naked in near-freezing temperatures.

John Tillman
Reply to  Larry in Texas
June 30, 2021 1:50 pm

If heat waves are indeed to become more common, then affected regions will need more reliable electric power.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  John Tillman
June 30, 2021 3:42 pm

I see rough times in the future for said regions if the greentards get their way.

Richard Patton
Reply to  Larry in Texas
July 1, 2021 10:41 am

I have been trying to find a major Texas city that beat Portland OR at 116F for all-time high (actually the ASOS at the airport reported 117F on Monday I don’t know why that was discounted) and I haven’t found any. If you know of any major Texas city that beat our record please let me know.

Jeff Labute
June 30, 2021 1:32 pm

Andrew Weaver, ‘a.k.a. climate scientist’ and past leader of the Green Party went on to say this sort of weather will become more common and worse.

“We ain’t seen nothing yet. This is chump change compared to where we are heading”

Typical push from the media and politicians to scare people in to thinking random weather doesn’t happen.

https://biv.com/article/2021/06/we-aint-seen-nothing-yet-expect-more-hotter-heat-waves-says-climate-scientist

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Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Jeff Labute
June 30, 2021 6:13 pm

The official line that heat waves are becoming longer, hotter and more frequent is not everywhere supported by the historic data.
Here is an analysis for Australia’s State capital cities.
One cannot be so simple as to imagine (then call it evidence) that because global temperatures might have changed a degree C in the last century, future heat waves will be worse. That is childish. It is not science. Geoff S
http://www.geoffstuff.com/heatwave_capitals.xlsx

Reply to  Jeff Labute
June 30, 2021 9:44 pm

https://electroverse.net/accuweather-meteorologist-global-warming-not-to-blame-for-northwests-heatwave/

ACCUWEATHER METEOROLOGIST: GLOBAL WARMING NOT TO BLAME FOR NORTHWEST’S HEATWAVEJUNE 30, 2021 CAP ALLON
Record heat has been felt across the the Pacific Northwest this week, which has led the MSM and their placard-brandishing, sandal wearing EOTW groupies to draw the connection to ‘global warming’ aka ‘the climate crisis’ aka ‘terrifying terra firma broiling’.
However, AccuWeather Meteorologist Joe Lundberg is on the record as saying that AGW isn’t to blame here.
Risking a backlash from his bosses, and from those faceless elites on high, Lundberg very reasonably states: “I just think that right now we’re seeing a very unusual pattern across most of the northern hemisphere where there’s a lot of extremes.”
Lunberg sees erratic jet streams as the main culprit here, which, as Electroverse has been saying for years, are weakening due to historically low solar activity — and while Lunberg doesn’t touch on solar output, he does reference a “big upper level trough that’s in the Aleutians”.

Richard Page
Reply to  Jeff Labute
July 1, 2021 4:55 pm

That’s a highly insensitive remark from Andrew Weaver considering the number of people that have lost their lives to freak weather event’s this year alone. I’m pretty much disgusted by these attitudes of climate enthusiasts that seem to wish more suffering on humanity just to satisfy their own ego’s.

Steve
June 30, 2021 1:32 pm

“Finally, in a hugely ironic twist, Scientific American, the same outlet that claimed the heat wave was driven by “climate change” confirms what NOAA and I just told you, saying Don’t Be Fooled: Weather Is Not Climate.
You can’t have it both ways.”

Oh, come on now, we all know better than that. Having it both ways is what being a warmmunist is all about!

n.n
Reply to  Steve
June 30, 2021 1:41 pm

Yes, they believe that they can abort the baby, cannibalize her profitable parts, sequester her carbon pollutants, and have her, too. So far, whether social, scientific, or religious (e.g. relativistic sibling “ethics”, politically congruent cousin “law”), humanity has taken a knee to their faith and handmade tales.

joe belford
June 30, 2021 1:39 pm

At best, we have about 150 years of reliable weather records for the PNW, so a “black swan” outlier event like this isn’t surprising.”

When was the most recent “cold weather event” in the past 54,000 days in the area?

Rud Istvan
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 2:21 pm

If you were not so biased, you could have looked that up yourself. It was minus 3F in 1950. In more recent times, it hit plus 10 F in 2010. You lose.

joe belford
Reply to  Rud Istvan
June 30, 2021 2:34 pm

Actually, I did look it up before I posted Rud, and you lose…..it was Feb 23, 2018. But the point is that climate scientists have predicted that AGW would cause more extreme weather events. They were right and you are the loser.

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Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 3:00 pm

The climate weirding argument… LOL.
Climate change can do anything, which why we can be sure it is a religion and not science.
The late Dr Crichton foresaw this in his “Aliens Cause Global Warming” speech.
https://stephenschneider.stanford.edu/Publications/PDF_Papers/Crichton2003.pdf

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joe belford
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
June 30, 2021 3:07 pm

Do you know what the “W” in AGW means?

chickenhawk
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 3:37 pm

Weirding?

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  chickenhawk
June 30, 2021 7:59 pm

Nounglobal weirding

  1. A complementary term to global warming to reflect the belief that climate change causes or will cause various weather-related extremes, including both hot and cold weather, to become more intense.
Furiously Curious
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 1, 2021 3:31 am

Did the warming in the Roman or Medieval times cause more extreme weather?

Rhs
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 4:46 pm

Whining?

Robert Austin
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 8:01 pm

At one time the “W” meant warming. But warming was too specific and wasn’t yielding concrete results so “warming” was superseded by climate change. Seems any weather phenomenon can be deemed by the climate industry to fall under climate change. And so you have it, all weather events become evidence of man made climate change.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 8:01 pm

warming
weirding
whining
whinging

whatever

Joao Martins
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 1, 2021 3:12 am

Exactly!

“Whatever”!

“Anthropogenic Global Whatever”, not restricted to “warming” and “climate” things: it applies to any and everything. A very encompassing and never outdated “concept”.

n.n
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
June 30, 2021 8:53 pm

It’s a faith (i.e. logical domain), a religion, notably “ethical” or relativistic, with secular motives (e.g. redistributive change, force competing interests to take a knee). It’s a cargo cult that infers past, present, and future.

John Tillman
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 3:25 pm

Climastrologists did not “predict” more cold events until after they kept happening, especially whenever Prince Albert showed up. Before that, they predicted the end of snow, and hat only a few breeding pairs of humans would be able to survive on Antarctica. Hansen said we were on the Venus Express to boiling oceans.

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Mr.
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 4:44 pm

So that i.r. back-radiating CO2 that theoretically TRAPS HEAT in water vapor (the dominant ghg) causes abnormal cold weather events?

What an amazingly magical molecule that CO2 is!

John Tillman
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 6:44 pm

Please show when and by whom these supposed predictions were made. Thanks!

Reply to  John Tillman
June 30, 2021 10:27 pm

Please show when and by whom these supposed predictions were made:
http://www.debunkingclimate.com/failedpredictions.html

meab
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 7:24 pm

Look up “the climate isn’t getting wierder”. Analyses have consistently showed that low temperature records are not becoming more frequent. Even a half-wit can understand that temperature is highly variable even in the same place – often with a temperature range that exceeds 100 F from hottest to coldest. Warming over the last century has been about 2 to 3 F over land, with most of that in winter and overnight temperatures – not so much in daytime summer temps. The warming does not increase the temperature range, it actually decreases it. If you can’t understand that, you don’t qualify to be a half-wit.

Mike
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 7:27 pm

predicted that AGW would cause more extreme weather events.”

Oregon – 119 degrees – Aug 10 1898

You lose…again. (or maybe you can explain those historical extreme weather events – there are many)

John Tillman
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 2:22 pm

Well do I recall the extreme cold spell of late December 1968, when WA’s low record of -48 was set at Winthrop. My hometown in NE OR got down to -35.

OR’s low record of -54 F. was set in 1933 at Seneca, in the county south of mine.

There have been other more recent cold events, of course. Burns, south of Seneca, registered its record low of -30 F. in December 2013. Across the state, Hillsboro’s low of just 7 F. was recorded in December 2009.

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joe belford
Reply to  John Tillman
June 30, 2021 2:35 pm

See my response to Rud regarding the correct prediction of climate scientists.

BrentC
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 3:00 pm

CO2 is one amazing molecule – what CAN’T it do?

In the next update of the alarmists’ playbook expect increasing atmospheric CO2 concentration to be responsible for, and be in complete control of:

  • speed of the earth’s rotation
  • the reason that wind and solar are unreliable power sources
  • the intensity of brush and forest fires (not fuel or air)
  • worldwide crop failures
  • male pattern baldness
  • performance of this year’s Tour de France athletes
  • hangnails

It’s worse than we thought!

Kevin kilty
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 3:10 pm

Hold on, I want to get this straight. Are you telling me that “climate scientists” predicted a heat wave in PNW this June some time far in the past — like a year or two ago? Is that what you mean by “they predicted it?” Or was the prediction more like there will be record breaking heat in the future, without reference to any specific time or place?

I want to gauge what you are trying to peddle.

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joe belford
Reply to  Kevin kilty
June 30, 2021 4:00 pm

predicted that AGW would cause more extreme weather events.”
..

Janice Moore
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 4:24 pm

That “prediction” is void of meaning. The AGWist’s failure boils down to one word:

“cause.”

Not proven.

No proof –> no prediction.

Derg
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 4:30 pm

“Extreme” 🤔

Derg
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 6:13 pm

Lol…EXTREME

Jeff Labute
Reply to  joe belford
July 1, 2021 8:41 pm

It is good to be prepared for all weather conditions as best as one can but be especially prepared for the cold because it is more deadly.

“Cold weather kills 20 times as many people as hot weather, according to an international study analyzing over 74 million deaths in 384 locations across 13 countries. The findings also reveal that deaths due to moderately hot or cold weather substantially exceed those resulting from extreme heat waves or cold spells.”

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150520193831.htm

Richard Page
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 4:36 pm

“predicted that AGW would cause more extreme weather events.” No Mr Belford – that does not qualify as a ‘prediction’ it is far too vague and unverifiable to qualify as any such thing. I predicted, back in 1983, that there would be rain and, whaddya know, I’ve been proven right every year since – that must mean I’m a top-rank climate scientist with 100% track record, right? No. Both sets of ‘predictions’ can be made to fit any and all events that happen after that. Any prediction made must be precise, accurate and attributable only to one cause before the event. This vague statement that you keep repeating is nothing at all and certainly not a prediction in any shape or form.

Joao Martins
Reply to  joe belford
July 1, 2021 3:21 am

I know a person, a very powerful spiritist medium, who makes predictions like that one…

John Endicott
Reply to  joe belford
July 1, 2021 10:06 am

That “prediction” is right up their with the predictions that the nearest carnival fortune teller gives – plenty vague and easy to retrofit anything that comes along as “fulfilling the prophecy”. In short, typical flim-flam. Actual predictions require specifics that can be verified through metrics that can be measured and compared.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Kevin kilty
June 30, 2021 4:07 pm

They predicted more severe and frequent hurricanes. Wait, I think they were talking about Florida and not the PNW.

joe belford
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
June 30, 2021 6:10 pm

Didn’t they run out of names last year for Atlantic storms?

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
June 30, 2021 10:30 pm

They predicted more severe and frequent hurricanes.
And they were wrong as usual:
“Confidence remains low for long-term (centennial) changes in tropical cyclone activity, after accounting for past changes in observing capabilities.”
pg 178 of https://www.ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/02/WG1AR5_all_final.pdf

Hoyt Clagwell
Reply to  Kevin kilty
June 30, 2021 8:23 pm

It’s like a phone psychic predicting an earthquake somewhere sometime.

chickenhawk
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 3:40 pm

You tell em Joe! If it’s hot, cold, flood or drought, CO2 wot dunnit!

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 3:48 pm

When said predictions are basically “heads I win, tails you lose” they don’t have much in the way of credibility. Not to mention, if you knock off the 2°F increase in global temps since the LIA, you would still have had record-breaking temperatures all over the PNW.

John Tillman
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
June 30, 2021 4:03 pm

An hypothesis which predicts everything predicts nothing.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  John Tillman
June 30, 2021 11:44 pm

Hence the transition from Global Warming to Climate Change!!!
HIWTYL!!!

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  John Tillman
June 30, 2021 4:01 pm

And I remember one of the hottest days of my life on July 4th weekend 1968, camping along the North Fork of the American River in California. Sounds like weather to me!

Kevin kilty
Reply to  John Tillman
June 30, 2021 6:30 pm

John,

It surprises me that a city place in Oregon would have a lower record cold temperature than where I live (our record is -50F at 7270 feet ASL), but NE Oregon is pretty high country.

Scissor and I were conversing about this a few days ago. Colorado and Wyoming have many places that are often the coldest place in the nation — Fraser, Antero Reservoir, Walden, Colorado to name a few there, and Bondurant, Alpine, Big Piney, Wyoming. Colorado and Wyoming have high elevation on average and are well into the continent — excellent spots for record cold.

clarence.t
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 3:13 pm

This was very much a localised weather event.

Anomaly for the US was -1F

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Look at New Mexico !

John Tillman
Reply to  clarence.t
June 30, 2021 3:23 pm

Yup. The heat that would have traveled into the Rockies was blocked by the jet stream’s omega.

Poems of Our Climate
Reply to  clarence.t
June 30, 2021 3:42 pm

Look at the California Central Valley.

tommyboy
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 3:29 pm

A quote from above-
“Huge cooling Monday evening inland, with temperatures falling from above 100 deg to the 60s/70s. Portland set a new record, with a drop of 52 deg, breaking old record of 48 deg set in Sep 1988. Cooler today, with highs 85 to 93 inland, and 60s on the coast.”
Apparently they had record cooling Monday.

joe belford
Reply to  tommyboy
June 30, 2021 6:11 pm
John Hultquist
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 9:53 pm

joe says “ people will stop dying”

Right!

Richard Page
Reply to  joe belford
July 1, 2021 3:02 am

And nearly 200 people died in Texas alone during the recent bout of lower than normal temperatures. The only things that are proven by this are that more die from extreme cold than heat and that people will always die during unexpected weather event’s, even if precautionary measures are put in place.

Bill
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 7:26 pm

I see you lips flapping but can’t find evidence of a word you say!

Joel O'Bryan
June 30, 2021 1:41 pm

Weather patterns of the 1930’s were also of extremes. Extremes in winter cold spells and summer heat waves are characteristic of the meridonal jet stream pattern setup seen in the 500 mb forecast map above.
North America can expect some severe cold snaps again this coming winter (like Texas-Midwest in February), which will just be weather.

Gyan1
June 30, 2021 1:45 pm

True to form the Seattle times censored a comment I made about confusing weather and climate.

Probably the reason it didn’t clear moderation was citing McClean 2014, quoting the conclusion, “The reduction in total cloud cover is significant in the context of the energy budget described by Trenberth et al. [34] , which indicates that cloud reflect 23% of the 341 Wm−2 (i.e. 79 Wm−2) of incoming solar radiation. The reduction in total cloud cover of 6.8% means that 5.4 Wm−2 (6.8% of 79) is no longer being reflected but acts instead as an extra forcing into the atmosphere,” and comparing that to the IPCC human forcing of 1.9 W/m-2.

The Times has a history of not allowing facts that counter the narrative in their comment sections.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Gyan1
June 30, 2021 3:14 pm

You’re in good company.
Bjorn Lomborg’s book, The Skeptical Environmentalist, was criticized for 11 pages in Scientific American by none other than the liar Michael Mann. And then Scientific American refused to allow Lonborg to rebut Liar Mann’s ad homs, meaningless misdirections and half-truths.
There are now countless examples of this in the last 20 years.

Gyan1
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
June 30, 2021 3:39 pm

I’m careful to not violate any terms of service. What gets comments banned is empirical evidence that destroys the narrative. This has been happening to me for over 20 years in all major media outlets.

Totalitarian control of information is what is happening.

Derg
Reply to  Gyan1
June 30, 2021 4:33 pm

How else do you think they were able to push Trump Russia colluuuusion?

Simon certainly isn’t smart enough.

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
June 30, 2021 4:12 pm

Eleven pages of flak confirms that Lomborg was over the target on his bombing run!

John Hultquist
Reply to  Gyan1
June 30, 2021 9:57 pm

Your comment is too complex for a newspaper.
Consider “how stupid the average person is, and then understand that half are stupider than that.”
[George Carlin]

Gyan1
Reply to  John Hultquist
July 1, 2021 8:56 am

I’ve never had anyone respond to the actual facts I’m citing. Name calling, straw man deflections, misdirection, outright lies and fossil fuel conspiracy ideation are all they can muster.

MarkH
June 30, 2021 1:53 pm

“You can’t have it both ways.”

Through the practice of doublethink they can, and will, hold both contradictory beliefs simultaneously. They will attack you, call you a “Science Denier”, if you point this out.

Insufficiently Sensitive
June 30, 2021 1:59 pm

The previous all-time record high for Portland was 107. Seattle’s all-time high was 103. 

And it took selective reporting to beat that 103 in Seattle. In THIS part of Seattle, the highest temperature of Monday 6/28 was 102. Quite hot enough, thank you, but the headline hounds had to snuffle elsewhere for their precious Big Number.

Kevin kilty
Reply to  Insufficiently Sensitive
June 30, 2021 3:15 pm

So you are telling me the new Seattle record does not refer to the place where the old record was set — different place under different circumstances?

We have about eight recording stations around this town and they can vary by 8C. The only one that matters to me for records is KLAR.

June 30, 2021 2:15 pm

Geez. They forgot about us in Florida, where it’s cool and rainy. What ever happened to global warming … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmlWKk3mBfM

June 30, 2021 2:17 pm

“In cities, the “urban heat island effect” was also a bigger cause in this case. Portland and Seattle hit all-time highs of 116 and 108 Monday, while Lytton, Canada surged to a national record of 118. “

Actually, Lytton reached 121°F on Tuesday. But it isn’t a big urban center – pop 249.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 30, 2021 2:33 pm

Weather, eh?

Loydo
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
June 30, 2021 3:05 pm

Weather with an overlaid 1.84 °F of global warming. No amount of ‘splaining from Watts will prevent that trend from continuing for the rest of your life.


http://blogs.reading.ac.uk/climate-lab-book/files/2021/01/fig-nearterm_all_UPDATE_2020-panela.png

clarence.t
Reply to  Loydo
June 30, 2021 3:16 pm

Starting at the coldest point in 10,000 years ?

Yawn !

And with a highly probably cooling for the next few decades.

David Kamakaris
Reply to  clarence.t
June 30, 2021 4:44 pm

Another couple thousand years of this upward temperature trend and it might almost be as hot as it was during the mid-Holocene. Almost.

Loydo
Reply to  David Kamakaris
June 30, 2021 9:16 pm

Nope, its abruptly wamer now and will soon be abruptly warmer than the Eemian. In a few years time Lytton will set another record, then another and then another…

In an attempt to ‘splain away the obvious warming trend from human emissions, the shameless doubt-mongering continues unabated here at WUWT.

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2021 10:02 am

“Nope, its abruptly wamer now”

Yet the permafrost is still frozen. Your shameless fear mongering continues unabated.

clarence.t
Reply to  Loydo
June 30, 2021 3:18 pm

And seriously, putting mutilated surface data , specifically adjusted to coincide with the models.. against the models.

That’s just funny !!

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Reply to  clarence.t
June 30, 2021 6:59 pm

Tropical? 300-200hPa? Very cherry picked. That is a band around 10 km altitude. Higher than Everest.

clarence.t
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 30, 2021 9:58 pm

The models are a farce.. and you know it, So just stop !!

Alan the Brit
Reply to  clarence.t
July 1, 2021 12:02 am

Nick Stokes doesn’t realise that computer models are infinitely tuneable to produce any outcome the programmer wants them to produce!!! We here in the UK have experience of “puter” modelling with the disastrous Foot & Mouth fiasco, the senseless slaughter of millions of beasts based on a computer programme produced by a discredited Oxford professor, who was early retired at the quietest opportunity!!!

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Loydo
June 30, 2021 3:33 pm

How hot would it have been when this was happening, Loyloy?

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Mike
Reply to  David Kamakaris
June 30, 2021 7:45 pm

Probably about 2-3 degrees warmer for at least a hundred years I’d reckon. Some of those trees were 300 years old.

Mike
Reply to  Mike
July 1, 2021 12:37 am

I see someone gave me a down tick. Not that I give a sh*t, but perhaps they could explain how those trees managed to grow there for 300 years before being covered with a glacier. Only to be re-exposed several hundred years later. BTW, it’s still too cold now for trees to grow there. I look forward to the explanation….

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Mike
July 1, 2021 2:21 pm

Don’t hold your breath, Mike. I’ve been asking Loopy Loy for the better part of 3 years now. Not a peep.

Loydo
Reply to  David Kamakaris
July 1, 2021 5:17 pm

“Earth has warmed by approximately 0.8°C since the late 19th century, while the Arctic has warmed by 2° to 3°C over the same period’

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“Over the past decade, the Arctic has warmed by 0.75°C”

Your favourite photo shows a 280 year margin of error. Are there young White spruce growing on the Tuktoyaktuk Peninsula right now? I haven’t checked. What about in 200 years time? Lets see, at the current rate…no that can’t be right…

Loydo
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2021 5:20 pm
Mike
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2021 10:53 pm

What caused the RWP and MWPs and why is that not causing this warm period?
What causes a warm period every 40 years in Oregon (as seen above) and why is that not causing this warm phase?

Mike
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2021 10:56 pm

  Are there young White spruce growing on the Tuktoyaktuk Peninsula right now?”

What about in 200 years time? Lets see, at the current rate…”

Not if co2 is doing the warming there won’t be. If it’s something else…maybe..

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Loydo
July 2, 2021 4:31 am

“Over the past decade, the Arctic has warmed by 0.75°C”. Oh merciful heavens!

Yet the tree line which divides the tundra and taiga is still 80-100km to the south, even after the modest warming since the end of the LIA.

Loydo
Reply to  David Kamakaris
July 2, 2021 5:02 am

still 80-100km to the south”

Based on what source?

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Loydo
July 2, 2021 5:14 am

“Your favourite photo shows a 280 year margin of error. ”

Don’t get too close to that fire, little strawman. Even if the margin of error was 5 times greater, the tree’s age would still be mid-Holocene. Count me among the unalarmed.

If trees were now growing in areas where the permafrost has melted, we would have heard about it by now.

ColdH2O
Reply to  Loydo
June 30, 2021 9:14 pm

No just weather. Long-term rural records in the region indicate similar events taking place once every 4 decades. See my graphic elsewhere in this thread.

Loydo
Reply to  ColdH2O
July 1, 2021 5:34 am

Yes, everywhere has weather, some places the data is noisier. But it’s the long term trend that reveals AGW and my Mk1 Eyeballs say its up about a 1.5°F in Corvallis. 1.5° hotter than it would otherwise have been.

We know why, we know the effects will continue for centuries. We know statistically how that will impact heat records…more, many decades more.

ColdH2O
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2021 8:29 am

So your eyeballs are the tool that you use in science? The trend reveals nothing of the kind from an actual examination of the data set.

Loydo
Reply to  ColdH2O
July 1, 2021 4:34 pm

“The trend reveals nothing of the kind from an actual examination of the data set.”

What trend? What examination?
My MK1 method might have fairly high uncertainty but its a lot better than arm-waving.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2021 9:12 am

No trend “reveals” CAGW. Has it got warmer? Yes. Can you prove the warming isn’t natural? No.

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2021 3:49 pm

“We know why” …

Sorry Loy, you don’t know anything of the sort. That’s called wishful thinking.

But I understand. You have your narrative to push. Evidence to the contrary be damned.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2021 9:10 am

Prove that warming isn’t natural. Oh yeah, you can’t.
Stop getting your knickers in a twist about a small amount of gorgeous warmth.

Loydo
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
July 1, 2021 8:32 pm

a small amount”
Ah, that’s right, you know more about climate science than climate scientists do. Got it. Sorry, I should have guessed.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Loydo
July 2, 2021 5:53 am

Tell me who has stepped outside of their house and screamed, “it’s warmed up a massive 1 degree since yesterday! I can’t take the change!!!”
Get a grip.

clarence.t
Reply to  Andrew Wilkins
June 30, 2021 3:14 pm

Yep weather . and very localised

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Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 30, 2021 4:16 pm

So, when was the last time that such a small town had its thermometer calibrated and Stevenson screen painted?

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
June 30, 2021 6:05 pm

It’s actually a major EC station; it has a record since 1926. It is in GHCN V3 and V4.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 1, 2021 9:13 am

Just a heads up Nick: the Earth is more than 95 years old.

John Tillman
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 30, 2021 4:26 pm

A little warmer than Lytton got in the 1930s.

Reply to  John Tillman
June 30, 2021 7:02 pm

Lytton’s pre-2021 all time max was 112°F.

Greg
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 1, 2021 8:42 am

All of time presumably starting in the 1930s?

Reply to  Greg
July 1, 2021 8:56 am

1926

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 30, 2021 4:42 pm

How large was yesterday’s drop in temperature in Lytton? I’ll bet it was unprecedented.

Reply to  David Kamakaris
June 30, 2021 6:16 pm

16°C. The data is here.

Colin
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 30, 2021 8:42 pm

Hey Nick – Lytton has ALWAYS been the hot spot – i temperature – in Canada. No real news except that the town itself in now on fire.

David Kamakaris
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 1, 2021 10:04 am

And the taiga tree line is still 100km south of where it was during the mid-Holocene.

Colin
Reply to  Nick Stokes
June 30, 2021 8:40 pm

Population 249 in 2016. News flash – it now 2021

Tomsa
Reply to  Colin
July 1, 2021 7:20 am

But the latest census was just taken this year 2016 was the last. If it’s like our small prairie town then it could be higher or lower this year. And Lytton has NOT always been the hottest spot, the records they beat this week surpassed places in SK in 1937.

David Kamakaris
June 30, 2021 2:27 pm

I wonder how hot it would have been in the 1930’s if there was as much concrete and asphalt back then as there is now.

Derg
Reply to  David Kamakaris
June 30, 2021 4:34 pm

David the 30s were colder don’t you know 😉

Rich Davis
Reply to  Derg
June 30, 2021 5:59 pm

And by next year, the 30s will be even colder. They’re getting colder all the time because…

The future is certain; it is only the past that is unpredictable.

Philip
June 30, 2021 2:44 pm

The heat island effect was quite pronounced and easily visible here.
I am located a couple of miles outside the town of 22,000, on the side of a hill (550′) looking down at the town, and down the Willamette Valley.

My weather station is sitting well away from the house, in a grassy field.

I have a few thermometers scattered around, various types, but all shaded.
When I was recording 111.9 ºF on the weather station, all the other thermometers were within half a degree – it was hot, but also relatively breezy so there weren’t really hot spots (at least here).

I posted my readings in the local FB group, and others responded with theirs.
It was clear what was going on. Those most firmly embedded in the concrete jungle were seeing 117ºF (or more). The further out people were, the closer to my readings. I think a few people got an education on heat islands and understand just how much difference they can make.

Mr.
June 30, 2021 2:56 pm

Anthony, just a passing observation about some of the comments today from the global warming supporters –

they demonstrate distinct numeracy skills in pointing out the fine differences in past and present (warmer) temps readings, but those same numeracy skills seem to abandon them when it comes to comprehending how the numbers on wind & solar as base load power supply just don’t stack up.

Seems that some people’s numeracy skills are as intermittent as wind & solar generation.

Chris Nisbet
June 30, 2021 3:14 pm

Hands up who is surprised that MSM etc. have attributed this to ‘climate change’.
Anybody?
Hello?

Bob Hoye
June 30, 2021 3:21 pm

Lytton sets Canada’s record high temp.
I can tell you about it. The village is above the Fraser River, which runs straight south.
On the east side of the river, and on a bench only a block or so wide it is a heat trap until the sun sets behind the mountains on the west side of the river.
As a university student ages ago I had job with the Dept of Highways improving the road just north of Lytton.
Our survey party had a field book and each day started with a note about who was in the crew and the weather.
Went for forty days without a cloud and very hot.
As to the heat in the “Northwest”. In early June a Vancouver news magazine headlined:
“Junuary–Vancouver has Its Coldest June Day in 40 years”

Tom
June 30, 2021 4:17 pm

I tried to think of a parallel between confusing weather and climate in other areas of public policy. It came to me immediately: when the police kill someone, that’s weather. The event though, is report as the “law enforcement climate”.

Steven Miller
June 30, 2021 4:40 pm

The day before yesterday it was 110F at our house. 12 hours later it dropped down to 60F. The next day it got into the upper 70s and the evening temperatures dropped into the 50s. Today the high was 70F. Some how we have managed to survive these temperature swings that happened in 12 hour increments yet we are suppose to believe that a 2F unproven increase in temperatures in a century is going to kill us all. Do these imbeciles have any sense of proportion?

Joe Chang
June 30, 2021 5:48 pm

the strong temperature variations of many days also makes it difficult to argue that a 1.5C global annual average of temperature will generate strong runaway feedback when a 20C variation over a significant region does not.

Geoff Sherrington
June 30, 2021 6:07 pm

Black Swans.
Sydney Australia had a black swan heat wave in 1960.
NOT apparently connected to high CO2 levels.
This is a good precedent.
Look at the graphs here: Geoff S
http://www.geoffstuff.com/heatwave_capitals.xlsx

Mike
Reply to  Geoff Sherrington
July 1, 2021 12:40 am

Your link doesn’t work Geoff. I’d be interested in seeing it.

Geoff Sherrington
Reply to  Mike
July 1, 2021 2:10 am

Mike,
Sorry. Many people can open this, some cannot and I do not know why.
Try this link:
http://www.geoffstuff.com/heat_wave_six_caps_update_May_2020.docx
If that does not work, please email me at sherro01 at outlook dot com and I’ll email the data to you. Geoff S

joe belford
June 30, 2021 6:07 pm
Dennis
Reply to  joe belford
June 30, 2021 9:53 pm

Maybe older people not prepared for unusually hot weather?

Not drinking enough water regularly, keeping in the shade, taking a cold bath to cool down, etc., including not doing too many physical activities.

During a visit to London England during the 1970s there was a period of hot weather and I was surprised to see people still wearing coats and other not recommended for heatwave clothing, but sitting in parks looking exhausted.

Many people in hot climates deal with heatwaves from time to time.

Kenji
June 30, 2021 6:16 pm

Slo-Mo-Joe Byedin and KamAllah Heiress are about to visit the Seaside condo collapse and insist Sea Level Rise + EXTREME Weather driven by Global Warming/Climate change caused the building collapse

OTOH … Gov. DeSantis said the State will investigate the cause “without an agenda” … and will go where the forensic SCIENCE leads

Vote wisely

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Kenji
July 1, 2021 11:18 am

It sounds like faulty drainage weakened support for the swimming pool located next to the building, and when the swimming pool collapsed into the void below, it brought part of the building down with it.

An eyewitness, looking from above, said she saw a “crater” appear in the bottom of the swimming pool right before the building fell down.

Carlo, Monte
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 1, 2021 12:24 pm

Sounds like Republican-caused climate change to me…

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Carlo, Monte
July 1, 2021 7:19 pm

If it was just a drainage problem, then residents in other highrises can relax, unless of course, their building has drainage problems. 🙂

It seems that the tenants and the building owners had been arguing over the costs of the needed repairs for years, beginning in about 2015 and ending when the building collapsed. They were in the process of starting repairs, and the building inspector had stood on the roof of the building just a couple of hours before it fell down.

It looks like delays in repairs may have also had something to do with the tragedy.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 3, 2021 4:24 am

I got a gool look at the swimming pool in a Wall Street Journal article, and the swimming pool appears to be intact, after the building collapsed. It did not sink into the ground.

Right next to the swimming pool is an area that appears to have caved in, and that may have been what the eye witness was describing when she said she saw a “crater’ form right before the building fell.

Kevin kilty
June 30, 2021 6:17 pm

It would be instructive to see what goes into the making of a record setting cold or hot temperature per individual station. For example, Furnace Creek in Death Valley holds the record for high temperature. But Furnace Creek is 160 feet below sea level, and being very low in elevation gives a station an advantage for record high temperature. It may also, paradoxically, provide a place for a record low, where air, made very cold through radiation to a clear night sky may gather. Lytton, B.C. may not have any substantial UHI, but it is in a very low valley (640 feet above sea level, with very high mountains to the west. It is one of those places where very dry (thus dense), warm air in an anticyclone could settle and be heated through adiabatic work to a high temperature.

Not only are record setting temperatures the result of very unusual synoptic conditions, but very local influences are probably quite important as well.

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Reply to  Kevin kilty
June 30, 2021 9:58 pm

it is in a very low valley”
AS it has always been. So what is different now?

Kevin kilty
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 1, 2021 6:46 am

Do you just follow me around to dispute anything I say?

Let’s put this in a slightly different context. In the world of investing there is a quatity known as beta. It measures the tendency of a particular stock to rise more than its market segment when stocks in general are rising, or decline more when stocks are declining. What I am commenting on is something similar — when the local area reflects an anomaly of 1 degree, certain places will be warmer by more than that.

Do you have a problem with that?

Rich T.
June 30, 2021 6:18 pm

Hey Joe. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/30/global-warming-33-year-birthday-a-celebration-of-failures/. Even ACCUweather tells it straight. https://electroverse.net/accuweather-meteorologist-global-warming-not-to-blame-for-northwests-heatwave/.. 40 years of failed predictions. Nevermind the cold in Greenland. And the Real winter in the Southern Hemisphere. Antartica is just getting colder.

Hoyt Clagwell
June 30, 2021 8:18 pm

I think it was 2007 when it got to 118 in the part of Los Angeles where I live. I was assured that it was because of global warming and that it was the new normal. It has never come close to that since. A random spike in temperatures in a small part of the world has once again “proven” nothing! Manmade (made up) Global (regional) Climate (weather) Change (cringe).

Dennis
Reply to  Hoyt Clagwell
June 30, 2021 9:56 pm

My builder son says that people’s perception of “global warming” depends on evening news weather beat ups and where they work, like he does outdoors or in air conditioned premises they leave in the afternoon and tell one another how hot it is that day, the builders experience is another normal day in summer or even an above average temperature hotter day, no big deal.

Dennis
Reply to  Dennis
June 30, 2021 9:58 pm

The Australians from the “Outback” hot centre might tell you about Crows flying backwards to keep the Sun out of their eyes.

John Hultquist
June 30, 2021 10:17 pm

 KELN Ellensburg shows 114°F on 29 June. At 10 pm on 30 June it reads 79°. The forecast is for 69 by morning, and 62° by Friday morning. That is a drop of 52.

This has to mean that CO2 is disappearing from the local air.
Where is it going?

Stuart Moore
June 30, 2021 10:39 pm

In my teens when I was growing up in southern Saskatchewan it was not unusual to see 110-115 F in the peak of summer on the prairies (115F = ~46C)

Earthling2
Reply to  Stuart Moore
July 3, 2021 12:53 pm

I also grew up in the prairie provinces, north western USA and now live in BC. Except for weather stations that weren’t sited correctly, my experience is that real life conditions in many locations were/are sometimes a bit more extreme than the official weather record. Old weather records didn’t include the wet bulb temp, wind, humidity, cloudiness and several other factors that new record keeping might have available.

For people living their daily life in different circumstances than a pristine weather station location, but still in relatively close proximity, weather is what they experience in their specific locale/elevation/aspect and what you describe is also my experience in that people experience both warmer and colder temps than just the official weather station stat. For 101 reasons…but of course, it is the properly sited calibrated weather station that we want to use for long term data collection to compare equally over longer time frames.

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griff
July 1, 2021 1:19 am

Riiight… it is just coincidence that with a warming planet and clear evidence of climate change, this comes along now.

Also note that E Europe, Russia and Siberia have been setting record June temperatures:

A Scorcher in Siberia and Europe (nasa.gov)

On June 23, ground stations in Moscow measured an air temperature of 34.8°C (94.6°F)—the city’s hottest June temperature on record. Helsinki, Finland, also saw its hottest June day on record (31.7°C/89.1°F), and national records for the month were set in Belarus (35.7°C/96.3°F) and Estonia (34.6°C/94.3°F).

Richard Page
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2021 4:09 am

Loydo – are you really, really trying to tell me that, during the high point of the summer, the only thing you have to say is “land temperature anomalies are slightly higher than sea temperature anomalies”? That’s it? That’s all you’ve got?
I feel so sorry for you, but especially for your family, your parents and loved ones that must have to care for you on a daily basis. My heart goes out to them.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  griff
July 1, 2021 6:30 am

Riiiight….Funny (and convenient) how hot weather, or indeed any kind of out-of-the-ordinary weather happens to “prove climate change”. You Believers really are dumber than a bag of hammers.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
July 1, 2021 9:20 am

 warming planet and clear evidence of climate change,

The planet has warmed over the last 100 years and the climate changes. All perfectly natural and you can’t prove otherwise (and no, models are not proof)

Bob M
July 1, 2021 2:19 am

The 2018 Climate Assessment had high probability that the thirties were the hottest decade since 1900. Wouldn’t that mean that it contradicts the pause busting “adjustments” by Tom Karl?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bob M
July 1, 2021 11:46 am

It contradicts all the Hockey Stick global charts. They all show the 1930’s as much cooler than today.

Bastardized Hockey Stick

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See how the 1930’s have been minimzed by the Hockey Stick manipulations? This was done so the climate alarmists could pretend that the Earth is currently experiencing unprecedented warming.

Whereas, regional surface temperature charts show a completely different temperature profile. They all agree with the 2018 Climate Assessment that the 1930’s was the hottest decade since 1900.

Here’s an example of a regional surface temperature chart showing the 1930’s to be just as warm as it is today.

Hansen 1999:

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If you look at the Hockey Stick chart, you would think the Earth is overheating and in unprecedented temperature territory. If you look at the U.S. regional chart, you would think today’s weather and temperatures are nothing out of the ordinary.

The Hockey Stick says spend Trillions of dollars regulating CO2.

The regional surface temperature charts say there is no need to regulate CO2 or spend those Trillions of dollars doing so.

I’m going with the regional charts. They are written historical records recorded by people who had no climate change bias, whereas the Hockey Stick charts are science fiction generated in a computer by Climate Alarmists with an agenda of selling Human caused Climate Change to the world. No regional chart on Earth resembles the bogus Hockey Stick temperature profile. Its bogus temperature profile is all alone in the world.

Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming is a Huge Fraud and the bogus Hockey Stick charts are the only thing showing unprecedented warming. It’s a computer-generated scam.

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Roger
July 1, 2021 4:27 am

The press seem to be reporting ground temperatures, i.e. hot tarmac in full sunshine. Is this a new thing?

BallBounces
July 1, 2021 4:37 am

If it’s cold it’s weather; if it’s hot it’s climate. I can feel global warming when I fly!!!

Bruce Cobb
July 1, 2021 6:08 am

The Climate Liars are really pinning their hopes on Glasgow in November, and to that end, there is a ramped-up push to get Climate Propaganda out any chance they get. I expect the Climate Hype and Hysteria will reach a fever pitch during this hurricance season.

angech
Reply to  Bruce Cobb
July 1, 2021 7:27 am

The average global land and ocean surface temperature for January–May 2021 was 0.77°C (1.39°F) above the 20th century average of 13.1°C (55.5°F) and the eighth warmest such period on record.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  angech
July 1, 2021 7:55 am

And?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  angech
July 1, 2021 12:11 pm

Yes, and the globe is currently cooling.

The globe is about 0.6C cooler than it was in 2016, the warmest year in this century.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 3, 2021 4:30 am

The globe got even cooler last month.

Reality hurts when you are an alarmist.

BrianB
July 1, 2021 7:51 am

–“At best, we have about 150 years of reliable weather records for the PNW, so a “black swan” outlier event like this isn’t surprising. It’s happened before, most certainly. We just weren’t around to observe it. After all, Native Americans did not keep written weather records.”–

Seems to me we have been around every time some locality sets records, whether maximums or minimums in the last 150 years.
That’s the nature of records. And since that 150 years begins at almost precisely the coldest global point in many centuries the only thing that would be remarkable is that we weren’t setting heat records here and there. That we are informs us approximately zero on the issue of how much average increase there is, if any, and how much is attributable to man, if any.
We know this because last winter when a similar sized area in Texas suffered equally record cold we were told these regional records were utterly meaningless on the question of global climate change, though it was possible in that charmingly unfalsifiable way, that omnipotent anthropogenic CO2 can do all things, at all times, everywhere.

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Bob Hoye
July 1, 2021 8:20 am

Further on Lytton:
The village has been engulfed with fire and residents evacuate.
Sad.

Greg
July 1, 2021 8:34 am

The Portland record was PDX international airport . Is that even a homolgized weather station. Airport temperature sensors usually well maintained but are designed to tell pilots how hot the air above the run way is to calculate maximum load for take off.

They are NOT designed for accurate climate temperature measurement. A high quality station will have conditions with explicitly contradictory to an airport sensor.

Also I appears that the PDX data only goes back as far as 1938. A very short record.

I tried to see whether it was covered by http://gallery.surfacestations.org/main.php but it seems out of function.

Reply to  Greg
July 1, 2021 2:38 pm

Greg,
The NWS reports three stations for Portland. For some reason they report PDX as 115 °F, which is the figure I have generally quoted. But in any case, it makes very little difference.
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dave
July 1, 2021 10:49 am

Does anyone else remember when Scientific American was a great (and scientific) magazine. WTF happened?

Richard Patton
July 1, 2021 10:56 am

Not only is the media lying about this being global warming they are lying about how hot it really got. Environment Canada says the all-time record high for Canada was set in the village of Lytton BC at 46.6C (116F) while multiple news outlets say it was 49.6C (121F).

I fail to see where either the media or Environment Canada got their figures. The village of Lytton contains about 200 people. Environment Canada does not have a climate reporting station there, and there isn’t anyone who has a PWS sending information to the Internet. My feeling is that these temperatures are reported by people calling in and saying ‘the thermometer on my deck says.’ I could say that my temperature hit 122.7F too if I didn’t have 4 other sensors in different locations on my property to cross-check. (BTW 112F was the average)

Reply to  Richard Patton
July 1, 2021 2:43 pm

 Environment Canada does not have a climate reporting station there”
EC has a major reporting station at Lytton. It is part of GHCN, both in in V3 and V4. Commenter Earthling 2, who is very familiar with the area, describes the site, with photo, here.

Richard Patton
Reply to  Nick Stokes
July 1, 2021 3:31 pm

It appears that you are right. But that raises the question why isn’t it in the only list I could find on Canadian Climate stations? I still don’t know which value is right, the one that Environment Canada put out or the one that the media put out.

July 1, 2021 11:23 am

In Portland a combination of fire-blackened police stations and black BLM costumes have decreased the city’s albedo. Now they are reaping the consequences.

Ruleo
July 1, 2021 1:18 pm

Funny people just accept these numbers as real.

I work outside. Whole week never broke 90. And yet, come home to every media propagandizing “97!”, “95!” etc.

I am pretty sure PNW didn’t break 101.

July 2, 2021 11:44 am

Regarding “Most interestingly, another record wasn’t trumpeted by the news media. With the heat-dome high pressure moving east, Seattle and Portland saw record rates of cooling.”: This was reported by the Washington Post’s Capital Weather Gang on 6/29. https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2021/06/29/heat-wave-pacific-northwest-cause/

Carlton Yee
July 2, 2021 3:01 pm

Same boat with a real carppola article on the heat wave by “The Guardian”. Worse than the one cited here. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/06/30/major-media-fail-on-reporting-the-pacific-northwest-heatwave/

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