Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Russia have openly admitted for years that they have developed a nuclear powered flying device which can stay aloft for days, possibly weeks, without refuelling. But maybe its easier to believe in aliens, than to face the idea that Russia may have developed a key military capability that the USA currently cannot match.
‘We’ve reached a tipping point:’ UFOs go mainstream, suspense builds ahead of major Pentagon report
By Ben Wolfgang– The Washington Times – Friday, May 21, 2021
In 1973, future President Jimmy Carter went public with a claim he had seen a UFO years earlier in the skies over rural Georgia.
Nearly five decades later, former President Barack Obama went on late-night TV this week and admitted there are “objects in the skies that we don’t know exactly what they are.”
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“There is this manifest interest in the subject. And let’s face it: It’s not because it might be Chinese or Soviet drones or secret technology,” said Mark Rodeghier, scientific director at the Center for UFO Studies who has spent decades researching the subject. “All the real interest is because, yes, it might be aliens or something incredibly strange.”
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Last May, the Navy acknowledged as genuine three videos that showed military pilots tracking objects in the sky that were moving at incredibly fast speeds. In one instance, the object flipped end over end while moving against the wind.
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Now, Defense Department officials openly discuss the unexplained.
“We take reports of incursions, whether they’re by known aircraft or unidentified aerial phenomenon, very seriously, and the safety and security of our personnel and of our operations that they remain paramount,” Pentagon spokesman John Kirby told reporters this week. “So to protect our people, maintain those operations and safeguard intelligence methods, we don’t publicly discuss the details of these unexplained aerial phenomenon observations or the examinations of the UAP Task Force.”
At least some of the research is expected to soon become public. A joint report by the Pentagon and U.S. intelligence agencies is scheduled to be delivered to Congress next month. The Defense Department Inspector General’s office also is reviewing how the Pentagon has handled the issue of UFOs, and its report is also expected soon.
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Read more: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/may/21/ufos-go-mainstream-suspense-builds-major-pentagon/
The following is a video of a test firing of the Russian nuclear powered 9M730 Burevestnik missile, from a Russian military website. The claimed range of the missile is more than enough to buzz US targets, outlasting any chemically fuelled vehicles the USA can deploy, maintaining full cruise velocity throughout the encounter. The missile is believed to work as a nuclear ramjet, in which a small unshielded nuclear reactor burning at temperatures close to the limit of available materials technology superheats air and expels it from the rear.
In 2019 the Russians admitted a radiation release in the Archangel region was due to a failed nuclear powered flight test.
There is nothing exotic about nuclear ramjet technology in engineering terms, it is all 1960s technology. The USA had a project to develop a similar system, Project Pluto, in the 1960s. The nuclear ramjet engines when test fired appeared to live up to expectations, but the project was abandoned over fears that US deployment of such a weapon would prompt the Soviets to respond with their own nuclear ramjets. The concern was the development of such weapons would destabilise the detente, because they would be an almost undetectable first strike weapon.
The Soviets were well aware of the potential of nuclear power, they built an experimental nuclear powered long range bomber in the 1950s, the TU95-LAL, but the project was abandoned. There was some suggestion the rather limited radiation shielding wasn’t enough to protect the pilots, though this is obviously much less of an issue in an unpiloted drone.
Obviously there might be another explanation for the upsurge in UFO sightings. But I think the hypothesis that the Russians were telling the truth when they claimed they had developed devices which operate on engineering principles which have been known for decades is a great deal more plausible than the idea that little green men chose now to cross the gulf of interstellar space, in order to behave like juvenile delinquents, scaring the locals with a few close encounters.
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Those evil Russians! Now they build UFOs.
😱😱😱🤣🤣🤣🤣
LOL 🙂 – if I’m right there must be a lot of laughs in the control room.
when I raised question yesterday on the other tread, William Ward put forward plausible hypotheses, you can read here:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/05/21/claim-antarctica-is-headed-for-a-climate-tipping-point-by-2060-with-catastrophic-melting-if-carbon-emissions-arent-cut-quickly/#comment-3251073
Seems plausible indeed- first I’ve heard of this- maybe it should get more attention.
Thanks Vuk – I just posted some follow-up information on the other thread, not realizing there was an entire article on WUWT dedicated to the subject. Let me repost it here.
I just found this article that supports my hypothesis.
VERY INTERESTING!
U.S. Navy Laser Creates Plasma ‘UFOs’
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2020/05/11/us-navy-laser-creates-plasma-ufos/?sh=52a4a55f1074
More:
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/07/19/pentagon-scientists-are-making-talking-plasma-laser-balls-for-use-as-non-lethal-weapons/
I think it’s likely that plasma phenomena happen naturally and can explain most of the UFO observations. But the fact there are military programs to utilize plasma to create the illusion is essential to know! Natural phenomena are likely the root inspiration for this technology.
All who care about the future of technology must look to advancements in plasma physics. So much lies therein, including great potential for alternate sources of energy.
I also suspect ion/plasma flows between the Earth and the Sun – which is just beginning to be studied – may play a role in climate, and have a non-trivial role in climate variation over time. The “Electric Universe” Theory touches upon this, although that theory is in its infancy, and has many less-than-scientific (but interesting) appendages that diminish its credibility.
Another interesting article on technology applications of plasma physics.
Aerial Stealth
Plasma antennas disappear when shut off
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/aerial-stealth/
Images of plasma tufts and shells on an anode.
There have been sightings of foo fighters possibly as far back as the First World War.
They go back as far as ancient petroglyphs.
Plasma physicist, Anthony Peratt, analyzed these ancient petroglyphs to show how nearly identical they are to plasma discharge phenomena. These are not necessarily “flying craft” objects but strange objects depicted by ancient man, all over the world at nearly the same point in human development.
https://plasmauniverse.info/downloads/PerattAntiquityZ.pdf
I thought that the vast majority of UFO sightings took place around 11:00pm after the pubs/bars chucked out & closed? ;-))
Maybe, but now Canadian Hydrogen Intensity Mapping Experiment have found precise location where the mysterious radio burst come from that puzzled astronomers for a years. These aliens use ‘entanglement and superposition’ effects to get here in a trice.
https://youtu.be/YPG30MIQLhc
And every photo of a UFO is out of focus.
Yes, out-of-focus pictures do seem to be a frequent problem.
If it is some kind of plasma effect (as suggested by William Ward (see link above) it would be an effect with no fixed delineation, but a gradual transition which in a photo might appear as an object out of focus.
Once upon a time, back in 1964 in the summer following Echo 2’s launch, while at a Boy Scout Camporee, several of us scouts decided to watch for Echo 2’s passage.
Yes, it was suggested by one of the Scout leaders who was hoping for some quiet.
We spread out ponchos and sleeping bags in an open area far from lights and planned to fall asleep watching the stars and Echo 2.
Anyway, we watched one pass of the mylar balloon then proceeded to BS about space flight while waiting for Echo 2’s next passage.
Not long after, we saw a light very similar to Echo 2.
Surprised, we watched as the light marched across the sky.
Only the light was not staying in a straight line. Swinging from one side to another and even doing several circles we watched that light move across the sky along Echo 2’s path.
No required lights for aircraft were visible. And we saw that thing from all sides.
One of the scouts mentioned that he thought Echo 2 only traveled in a straight line. Yet, we watched an unidentifiable object trailing behind Echo 2.
After a brief period trying to list flying objects that did not display required navigation lights… We didn’t like any of the suggestions.
Within minutes, one by one, we all decided that we no longer wanted to fall asleep watching Echo 2 and we retreated to our tents where we did not see open skies.
What an embarrassing write up.
Do you think Russia developed such technology in the 1920s and 30s when the same flying devices were seen doing the same impossible movements? This has got to be one of the weakest “explanations” I have heard yet. Not to mention the incredible variety of shapes and configurations make such a claim absolutely ludicrous…
I am sure Russia has developed a nuclear powered flying device that can fly for days or weeks, but I’m also sure that no country on earth – including Russia or China – has developed devices that fly with anything remotely resembling the physically impossible speed and agility possessed by UFOs…
You’re right, stupid of me. I should have embraced the alien visitor theory /sarc.
Not alien Eric, just unidentified. The clue is in the name. Why must it be either Aliens or Russians?
As an aside, Sherlock Holmes said “when you have eliminated the impossible, what remains, however improbable must be the truth.” If this is the method you are using, I should point out the obvious flaw in it – you can never eliminate all the impossibles (because some are unknowable).
Germany built a flying machine that could stay aloft for weeks back in the 1900’s.
I believe they were manufactured by Zeppelin (after Ferdinand von Zeppelin)
Sure, but Sherlock usually presented an explanation after a crack like that ;-).
Which does not invalidate the statement.
A statement made by a fictitious character…
“. Why must it be either Aliens or Russians” – too many syllables in “unidentified”
Indeed. This is Hume’s ‘problem of induction’ For every given sitiuation there are, as well as an infinite number of explanations that are demonstrably wrong, also an infinite number of explanations that haven’t been (or can’t be) proved wrong yet.
Sherlock Holmes does not do deduction, his explanations are inductive.
It is also, combined with Einstein’s theory, and other radical scientific theories, what led Karl Popper to restate a version of Kant’s philosophy, and ask the question, whether. since Einstein’s ‘bent space’ that had no ‘force of gravity’ had superseded Newton’s forces, it was less correct to understand science as the ‘discovery’ of ‘truths’ in the materal world, but rather as ultimately unprovable inductive hypotheses about the material world. If Newton could have worked pretty well for hundreds of years, when it was now demonstrably wrong, how could we know that Einstein was in fact right…
And having removed any certainty of truth about them, he developed the idea of utility. That is, science isn’t what’s true, it’s what demonstrably works.
This is not just armchair philosophising, it is real serious stuff, and it is something WUWT regulars should consider, when they attack ‘models’. Popper argues, though he doesn’t use those terms, that all science is in fact ‘models’ that work. Not ‘facts’ or ‘truths’.
The critique of climate science is not that it is made of models per se. but that it is made of models that don’t work…
Using this metaphysical approach, we also can quickly see where religion differs from science.
First of all, in this metaphysical system, science does not lead to Truth any more rhan religion does. Also it is valid to argue that both science and religion perform useful functions. Science gives us a certain power over our fate, but religion allows larger groups of people than an extended tribe to co-operate by having a shared morality…
And the point of Faith is not that it is, in intelligent people, a conviction of the truth, but it is a choice. In a world of an infinite number of possible explanations, the devout but intelligent man chooses to act as if he believed in the existence of a personal God in whose Plan he is a small but important part. This gives a meaning and purpose to life, which otherwise would be essentially meaningless. People survive better if they have A Reason.
Science too, relies on acts of Faith. Metaphysics is the study of those implicit beliefs that underly it, as well as other facets of human thought.
First of all, science has to attest and has to believe that we are in a sense separate from, yet part of a world, that has at any given time a single value (“Whatever is the case”) and whose current state is an irrevocable function of previous states (deterministic causality) and absolutely determines what future states will be, by the same mechanisms.
But how true is any of this? That is one of the prime questions a philsopher of science asks, especially when faced with equations and models that work (Quantum theory) but whose solutions and forms suggest strongly that the world may not, at any given time, have a single state, and worse, examining Einstein, maybe not have a single time, either.
If you are confused, you are in good company. Quantum theory is a rag bag of fairly dubious equations that seem to work, but no one understands what they mean in terms of what ‘ultimate reality’ is. Indeed many scientists deliberately won’t rush in where philosophers fear to tread, and simply say ‘our business stops with equations that work: we are not in the Reality business”
I am sorry if I have hijacked a thread to grind some philsophical axes, but UFOs are a perfect example of ‘induction in action’
Let’s review the situation from te perspective of a scaptical philsoper of post Kantian flavour.
We have – we here reading this, that is – reports of ‘unexplained’ phenomena. (unless you have personally ‘witnessed a UFO’ ,that is) .
We should, as proper skeptics first of all question the relationship between ‘what actually happened’ and ‘what people thought happened’ and indeed ‘what people subsequently said, happened’
That is in the range of possible explanations we can certailnly include pure lies, completely incorrect interpretations of optical illusions, or simply unrelated phenomena that are completely explicable, being combined into perception of an ‘entity’ that doesn’t actually exist.
We know that the mind assembles a continuous picture of the world out of fragments of sensation: magicians and illusionists capitalise on this to give ‘cues’ that are assembled into one sequence of events whilst in reality another sequence of events is actually taking place… incorrect interpretations are an example of inductive reasoning that is subesequently proved to be wrong.
Again, take reports of impossible speeds. That is an interperation of usually visual but sometimes radar, data. Wave a torch at a cloud. You can make the illuminated spot move at supersonic speed, with no trouble and no noise at all. It has no volume to displace air, and it has no mass – well very little – to be accelerated.
Radar data too, and I worked on radar back in the day, is not ‘continuous’ . It to assembles a picture from pulses of RF emitted in different directions at different times. Fooling it is top secret miltary research stuff. But in principle not so hard. Dopper radar gives us relative speed – but of what? the object itself? or something rotating rapidly ON it or INSIDE it?. What does it really mean that a series of eches that seem to be an ovject trravelling at Mach 10 are received. – one object, or a series of objects turning to reflect radar one after another, spaced widely apart…
Radar. like human perception, maps raw data into what it expects to see, and it is not foolproof. Cf the possibly apocryphal tale of a new cold war radar installation that reported wave upon wave of Russian missiles coming in, and then vanishing to be replaced by a new wave…
..the delay of the echo of a pulse gives the range, but a massively delayed echo of a previous pulse looks just like a shorter delay from the last pulse, and the moon was rising over the expected path of incoming missiles…and the reflected power and angular spread looked just like a batch of guided missiles…
So there is plenty of scope for advanced weapons, or indeed something else entirely to produce radar returns that look like a mach 10 object..
The Pentagon was happy to have people believing in UFOS rather than understanding the test flights of stealth technology back in the day .
And this brings me back to the philsophical analysis.
If there is something going on, which of the following possible explanations do you think is most likely?
And so on. These are all inductive hypotheses. Any one of them might be the case.
How can we choose?
What the problem of induction tells us is that in the final analysis, we can’t choose correctly. At best, Popper will tell us that we can probably, in true ‘no shit, Sherlock’ style, eliminate the impossible.
William of Occam, accepts the impossibility of certainty when his famous ‘Razor’ was expressed more or less as ¨Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem”
Or in todays colloquialism, since it’s all inductive models, you shouldn’t make more complex models than you need to, to explain what you need to explain.
This implicitly recognised that models are not the truth. And truth and certainty belonged not in science, but in religion…
E.g. Don’t build a conspiracy theory while there are simpler possibilities. Because you can’t know with any more certainty that it is truer. Accept the simple, pro tem, in the full and certain knowledge of the only fact, that it is in fact not a ‘fact’, but an ad hoc model of this aspect of the world.
So to summarise, consider these statements in the light of critical analsyis:
These three statements looks superficially similar, and nearly all the bunk in climate science and conspiracy theory emerges out of that similarity of appearance. Especially to ArtStudents™ and other burger flippers.
Which is why we need Philosophy. To Karl Popper each of those statements was qualitatevely different.
The first statement is science. We can test Einstein, and he has not been found wanting, yet. It exists in the space of ‘could be, and works for now‘
The second statement is both refutable and in fact has been refuted. Model projections simply do not match reality, Ergo the assumptions of ‘climate science’ are at best incomplete (Judith Curry’s position) , or at worst plain wrong. (some of us more hardened sceptics). This is junk science or bunk. Or pseudo science. It exists in the space of ‘could be, if we hadn’t tested it, but we have, and proved it can’t be‘
The third statement is what Popper classes as ‘metaphysical’ . That is, you cant really argue with it, because it can’t really be tested. For aliens you can substitute pan dimensional white mice, angels, demons or godlings, dragons or unicorns, or over indulgence in pixie dust. It explains everything by explaining nothing. It exists in the space of ‘could be, but how can we tell?’
When we are faced with something that doesn’t map well into our mundane worldview, we seem to desperately seek to find the least disruptive way of incorporating it. That can vary from denial that the something acually exists or even more fundamental cognitive dissonance where people don’t even notice the phenomena…through forcing it into mundane explanations (weather ballons, lenticular clouds) to conspiracy theories (aliens watching over us [remarkably bad stealth technology for interstellar travelers])
Some people seem to like wild imaginative and emotional explanations. We mostly call them clinically insane. I call them ArtStudents™. Really they are missing religion. They crave the certainty of Faith, the Appeal to Authority and the rigid moral code, as well as the emotional crutch that religion gave them.
UFOS may well fill an emotional need. A little bit of mystery in a Marxist world of dialectical Materialism, that explains everything but satisfies no one.
Perhaps the Western world has had enough of Mans Fall From Grace into a technological world of Pure Sin Against Nature, and needs a new religion, and whilst they think themselves too sophisticated to believe in Sky Fairies, Aliens From Somewhere may in fact be just the thing they need to believe in, in a locked down guilt ridden Liberal West.
They can arrange some stone tablets ‘thou shalt not pollute thine planet, have heterosexual sex without a form of consent signed in triplicate in the presence of three witnesses’; and so on….and have the ‘UFOs’ leave them somewhere plausible.
Wonderful post Leo, this should be a WUWT subject post. There’s a lot to unpack here, I’m going to print this off and rehash it.
I’d like to add my idea which I do believe you’ve overlooked. The equipment movies you’ve mentioned are computer driven displays combining data from multiple sources. I posit the possibility that a target behaving unrealistically may be a software bug, with the systems displaying stale data from past targets on todays screen. Perhaps even false targets inserted by an enemy to mislead aircrews or weapons systems in the event of a conflict. I know if I were a crow, that’s what I’d do, mislead the enemies weapons systems with bogus data. Deception is one of the 4 D’s.
Bravo!!
That is the best comment I have ever seen. In all sincerity, thank you Leo for taking the time to write that. For some it was no doubt over long, not for me. Brilliant!
Rendlesham, No. 6,
JF
“They can arrange some stone tablets…”
If you want to undertake this ceremonial sex magic experiment
then please also consider restricting yourself to a vegetarian
diet for a few days, and doing some LSD for a eucharist
as part of the ceremony. .
And try to further define your goal.
As in UFO’s – from the Pleyades, or the inner earth.
“As an aside, Sherlock Holmes said…”
Well, Sherlock didn’t say anything, because he never existed, except in the imagination. So it doesn’t make the statement true.
Another problem: how do you know everything that’s impossible?
I don’t think it’s a matter of “alien visitor” vs. Russian nuclear drone. The “maneuvers” described by Navy pilots involved hundreds of g’s, and the velocities of the UFOs were far above anything we can produce – nor could the Russians with their nuclear drones. In fact, the Navy observers uniformly state that the “objects” they see have no visible aerodynamic surfaces, and no evident means of propulsion. The infrared videos posted by the Navy show no evidence of a hot exhaust, which would be required for a nuclear drone. I don’t believe what the Naval aviators have been seeing are objects at all. They might be thought of as “projections”, though that isn’t quite right. A Japanese company has pioneered an advertising technology where ultra-short pulse, high intensity lasers are used to create clouds of ionized “points” in the air which form glowing images of letters, or of objects. The laser array can be steered at tremendous speed (it’s phased array), so the airborne “images” can move almost instantaneously over large distances.
That is a commercial company, operating on private investment. I have no doubt that classified government programs exist developing the same technology, with much greater funding.
The question is: who would be projecting these images for our pilots to chase? Well, if I had that technology, it would be me. It would be like playing with a laser pointer around a cat, wouldn’t it?
I’m not saying that’s the definitive explanation, though it is a much better one than Russian nuclear drones.
I agree these are all possibilities. I’m not sure I trust the lack of control surfaces claim, a near supersonic cruise missile wouldn’t need big wings. The lack of thermal emission signature is more difficult to explain. Possibly we are looking at several different phenomena.
Cruise missiles have wings. These objects uniformly have NO wings or control surfaces of any sort. Are you postulating invisible wings on UFOs?
Eric, don’t forget that some of these “objects” hovered. They weren’t always traveling at high speed.
I was flying on business travel once, and the pilot came on the intercom with an announcement. He said that people with window seats on the left side of the plane should look below them, and they’d see a very large, silvery, disk-shaped object. “We see these things all the time” he continued “and have no idea what they are. Air traffic control picks them up on radar, too.”
I was sitting in an aisle seat on the right, and the “fasten seat belt” sign was on – so I had no hope of getting a look at it. I do recall that there appeared to be no interest in the phenomenon among those in a position to see it.
If passengers in a position to see this amazing thing weren’t commenting on it, even after an announcement pointing it out, then that suggests that the pilot himself was misled or mistaken in some way (no matter that you’d think he’d be an experienced observer). Misinterpreting a cloud formation, or focused on an odd reflection, visible only from his own chair in the cockpit, you just never know.
I get the impression, that you too are a pilot!
How wrong is that impression?
cheers
“I do recall that there appeared to be no interest in the phenomenon among those in a position to see it.”
That seems bizarre to me. You’d think someone would have said, out loud, “It’s just a …”, or “Holy crap!!”. Something…
I have seen a circular shiny light phenomenon centered on the shadow of the jet liner I was riding in. I assumed it was a reflection off of the boundary between air layers of different densities. When the reflection came from a layer far below, the shadow of the jet was a barely visible dot in the center of the shiny circle. Of course, the shiny circular spot tracked the jet’s movement, without flitting arround, and I doubt it showed up on a radar screen. But, maybe that is what that pilot saw, and thought it was what the radar operators were referring to.
A propulsion method based on the relationship between space-time curvature and charge answers all the questions. The relationship to gravity is well known, while the relationship to charge is not, none the less, such a relationship seems to exist, enabling a propulsion method powered by specifically crafted EM energy fields, i.e. field propulsion.
As evidence, consider modeling a photon as a resonant LC circuit. Based on the photon energy given by E=hv and the energy stored by a capacitance of E = q^2/2C, the only L and C that work is not the L and C of the volume of free space containing the photon whose resonant impedance is Z0 (377 ohms), but an L and C that resonate at an impedance of Z0/a (52K ohm), where a is the fine structure constant and Z0 is the impedance of free space given as sqrt(u0/e0). This result is easily derived from basic first principles.
If y is the wavelength of the photon, the required C is proportional to y*a. while the required L is proportional to y/a (there’s also a factor of 2*pi involved). Since e0 and u0 are immutable constants, the only way for the space containing a photon to have the required L and C is if the geometry of the space is occupies has been warped relative to the space-time it’s traveling through. The region representing the L requires its geometry compressed by a factor of 1/a, increasing the L by 1/a. while the region representing the C has its gometry expanded by a factor of 1/a decreasing its C by a. It turns out that the curvature representing charge warps the local relationship between space and time relative to the speed of light manifesting both effects, while the curvature associated with gravity uniformly warps space and time consistent with the speed of light.
The best way I’ve found to explain this is that photons, and indeed all manifestations of existence, are local organizations of curvature conserving space-time, that is, the amount of compressed space-time exactly offsets the amount of expanded space-time. For a photon, both are exposed to the space-time it’s travelling through, this it’s apparent mass becomes zero.
When this concept is extended to particles with mass, a singular point in space-time is warped into the particles ‘surface’ surrounding the anti-curvature on the inside thus isolating it from the environment manifesting apparent mass. The strong force then becomes the near field effect associated with gravity, while the weak force is the near field effect of the curvature manifesting charge. An interesting consequence is that the net curvature of the Universe becomes zero which is the same as the net curvature of the nothingness that preceded the creation of energy which split time from space manifesting all that we know.
The only other possibility is that photons don’t obey Maxwell’s equations. Otherwise, how to construct a propulsion system consistent with the observed behavior of apparent ET craft should become self evident as this hypothesis enables a practical Alcubierre warp drive by introducing the concept of conserving space-curvature to supersede the requirement for negative energy. In principle, you make the craft look like a photon to the space-time it’s traveling through.
Answers all the questions? Really?
Why would aliens visit earth for centuries and attempt to avoid contact?
Are they friendly or at least benign, or are they biding their time for some inscrutable reason?
How does it benefit them to visit our backwater planet out on a nondescript arm of our galaxy?
I think we must be talking about a different set of questions.
I’m not concerned about the motivations of aliens relative to the human race, only how their technology works and all of those questions have definitive answers based on science.
I also don’t know what you mean about avoiding contact. Military installations and the warships of many countries have been shadowed by these craft on almost a daily basis. It’s like they want us to know they’re here, but the powers that be don’t because they’re afraid of how people will react. However, given recent events, they may not have a choice.
As far as the motivation of aliens is concerned, if it was hostile, we wouldn’t still be here. As to why, consider that if we had the capability for interstellar travel, wouldn’t curiosity and the ability to discover new worlds lead us in the same direction?
Although, maybe they are here and are working to stealthly destroy our ability to compete with them by infiltrating the Democratic party in order to destroy us from within…
Eric,
All I can say is, based on the unclassified stuff I saw in the 80’s, I can easily imagine there’s some pretty crazy classified stuff today.
I think it was duck actually!
Also we leaving out all this special first hand encounters of abductives.
The first hand witnesses.
😃
cheers
Yeah 🙂
😝
A co-worker attended all the UFO conventions but one, early on. He interviewed many of the “abductees.” None of the ones he talked with had even a fragment of an iota of credibility. Some admitted, after extensive questioning, their “trip” was “in the spirit.” The were desperately seeking attention, period.
I also attended a lecture by one of J. Allen Hynek’s investigators. They focused on people who were trying to maintain anonymity. Witnesses’ stories were greatly detailed, agreed with each other, and were entirely credible. Hynek was no fool; he was a scientist who served on three USAF UFO studies.
A friend of mine, a pilot and a WWII veteran, saw a UFO over Wyoming with witnesses present. He says there was no possibility whatever that what he saw was based on human technology. The configuration and acceleration matched nothing on Earth and still don’t, even after many years of aeronautical development.
Just to be clear.
I am not a person that dismisses things just like that.
And I am not dismissing any possibility.
Simply saying that is very easy to end up deceived, or self deceived.
Sometimes one has to be very careful and pay attention to the conceptual terminology used,
especially in cases of high uncertainty.
Imagination is a very important and valuable attribute of human mind,
which can easily be manipulated by designated and intended-premeditated preemptive impact of conceptual terminology.
UFO, as a term holds two conceptual meanings.
One, the very basic one,
as specifically non “alien”.
And the other, quite a controversial one,
the “Alien Flying Object”, which at that point will conceptually be AFO…
identified as “alien”, whatever the aplicable meaning of the term “alien” in any specific case could be.
For example, the famous “Ghost rogue flight”, could be ease considered as an “Alien flight”.
A flight clearly outside identification and possible belonging within the possible means of the knowledge and real experience and expectations.
I know this a bit probably too much now.
🙂
A lot of them look like plasma phenomena to me. Ball lightning on steroids.
A high-power radar, focused, is supposedly able to generate a ball of plasma, though I’ve been unable to find any reference to the phenomenon on line. (Generating plasma in a microwave oven is trivial, though you should use an expendable microwave oven…) I thought that would be a ready explanation for some of this stuff, if it actually happens.
Some of it does look like plasma behavior.
That might explain some sightings, but not all. There are some that don’t look like plasma at all.
Navy pilots didn’t know what they were looking at. Metabunk did a good write up of the subject.
Pilots are human beings and just as easily fooled like anyone else due to the brain trying to make sense of something not readily apparent.
“The question is: who would be projecting these images for our pilots to chase? Well, if I had that technology, it would be me. It would be like playing with a laser pointer around a cat, wouldn’t it?”
Michael,
That’s the best explanation I’ve seen to date. Everytime I see one of these very grainy UFO clips on Tucker Carlson, I’m reminded of all of the so-called sightings in the 50’s / 60’s that were eventually chalked up to bad camera optics. However, my main reason for skepticism remains the whole space / time thing.
These videos are of F18 navy jets flying very fast over water. They were directed to check the objects out because navy ships saw them on radar. Please explain how lasers could display on radar. Or where the laser emitter was located. I have no idea what is in the video but they were also at very high altitude where temperature in the air was below zero and the objects were colder based on the navy display. Not laser.
The lasers can be used to create plasma. Plasma can radiate, absorb and reflect electromagnetic waves. Plasma can be “seen” by radar in some configurations. Plasma is also created naturally in the atmosphere, so the radar may have picked up a natural plasma phenomenon. I posted an article discussing how the US Military is working on lasers to create phantom plasma decoys to defeat IR missiles.
“ I’m reminded of all of the so-called sightings in the 50’s / 60’s that were eventually chalked up to bad camera optics.”
I remember seeing some videos of a UFO in Mexico, I think. It could only be seen on video, that should have been the first clue. In some of these cases of a diamond-shaped bright object, they were directly attributed to a series of Sony video cameras with a specific shutter aperture. Very interesting analysis.
My guess is that they know the climate change scam is about to dissolve so they are looking for another crisis which will require a world government and high taxes to solve.
Who are “they” in this comment? Aliens or Human Beings? I’m going to guess you mean human beings. 🙂
Alien Human Beings.
“The question is: who would be projecting these images for our pilots to chase?”
What better way to test your capabilities?
The “maneuvers” observed assume that it’s a single object moving, rather than multiple objects more or less stationary that flash on and off. Rather like the race that the Tortoise had with Brer’ Rabbit (or with Bugs Bunny, in a different telling of the story). It would not be difficult to set up a bunch of small drones more or less in a line (or in some other arrangement, if desired); the drones could have stealth technology, or just be small enough that they don’t really show up on radar. Then they re-broadcast the radar pulses in some pre-arranged sequence so as to make it appear that there’s a single object.
Eric, this is common misjudgment and is the result of a lack of knowledge in this topic. If you are actually considering in giving this topic some serious thought read Leslie Kean’s book UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government officials go on the record.
The simple fact is that UFOs have been around for decades and even centuries. About 5-10% of them are genuine UFOs in the sense that they defy the common explanations. There is a genuine mystery here and its origins most likely isn’t from any government (although they might have acquired this technology over the years?). In fact, how could it be when they were seen in the early part of the 20th century?
So we are left at this point: They exist, but we don’t know what they are.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6088215683001/
I’m not suggesting Russians can explain every UFO, I’m suggesting they might be responsible for the recent claimed surge in sightings, and gave what I hope if a plausible explanation. As for Michio Kaku’s insistence that the burden of proof has reversed, we’ve heard that one before.
Sure. Gotta be the Russians
I would suggest to you that the recent surge in claimed sightings is likely primarily the result of three things: (1) the fact that nearly every human on earth now walks around with a high definition camera in their pocket; (2) the existence of social media as a way to widely disburse and share that video footage; and (3) the release of a sufficient amount of verified official Navy footage, resulting in people being far less reticent to share their experiences.
There are certainly a great many claims made by UFO witnesses that seem dubious or made up. However, there also exist reliable eyewitness accounts from fighter pilots, as well as instrument readings from radar, missile tracking systems, and cameras that are able to capture the full spectrum of light. These sightings and instruments have captured visible objects that seem to defy anything one would think a Russian nuclear airplane could plausibly do, such as accelerate from a hovering standstill to enormously high speed nearly instantaneously, or plunge straight into the ocean and then travel at hundreds of knots underwater.
Whatever these objects are, they do not plausibly seem to be either a form of nuclear propelled airplane or some kind of holographic projection.
What’s a genuine UFO? If it’s something that is unexplained then it’s just that. Making the jump to anything else is the problem, but human beings hate not knowing.
The hardest thing for a human being to say is “I don’t know”, which is why myths, legends, religions and cults are part of human culture.
It’s filling in the gaps to explain the unknown which frightens us. The UFO phenomenon is no different.
I remember vividly going to the Palladium Theatre in London in the early 80’s, to see Barry Humphries as Dame Edna, although his first half character was Sir Les Patterson, Australian Cultural Adviser to the Court of St James, he told the audience that he’d been appointed to look into those UFOs, “you know, those Unidentified F***ing Objects!” I always that was a more apt description & now every time I hear someone mention UFOs, a wry smile creeps across my face!!!! PS Don’t tell ET, just in case!!!
One that isn’t a flock of birds, Venus, swamp gas etc. Something that can be observed on radar and is seen by credible witnesses to do maneuvers that are currently not possible with our technology
“There is a genuine mystery here”
Yes.
And yet (as someone pointed out somewhere else), despite better cameras and far better imaging technology today, the pictures are still as grainy and difficult to decipher as they were in the 1950s.
Unfortunately people don’t understand what UFO means. Instead of “Unidentified Flying Object” they think it means spaceship with aliens inside.
It’s a very common conflation. Just because something is unidentified therefore it must be aliens is pretty stupid, but very common amongst those who are politically disenfranchised and thus think governments operate like some baddy in a James Bond movie.
Oh, yes. Those godless Bolsheviks and their TcheKa 😎. They had a pact with the devil himself.
Only the devil can fly that way!
🧐
Or a fly on the objective of that camera
🤣
Speaking of the Bolsheviks and their pact with the devil, did you know that President Eisenhower was approached by demons? They told him that Stalin had died and gone to heaven, and they were applying to the US for asylum.
I made an awful typo: s/heaven/hell/
We can’t rule out that these phenomena are the intersection of four-dimensional objects with our own Euclidian 3-space. It’s like watching a shadow or a reflection on a wall; the ordinary limitations don’t apply. Yes, there’s something there, but it is NOT in or on the wall; it’s mostly somewhere else.
Agree w/you, David. Russian nuclear missles? Is it the 1950s regarding “explanations”? The post forgot swamp gas, car headlights, balloons, birds, Venus, the Moon, mirages, etc.
Yet it seems Dave, that you’re just a bit reticent to declare your fervent belief in intelligent alien beings clumsily surveilling us for nearly a century, being detected thousands of times, yet not doing so much as to communicate with us on any level. Why do you leave us in the dark about your opinion? At some level do you recognize how absurd it is?
Or is it that “UFOs” means “aliens” in your mind much as “Climate Change” means “manmade climate degradation” in the minds (loosely speaking) of so many?
My view, for what little it is worth, is that there are no alien lifeforms visiting earth—now and probably ever in the past 4.5 billion years that the earth has been around. UFOs are in many cases not even objects, if objects mean something composed of solid matter. They are often optical effects/illusions, and other naturally occurring phenomena that are just not yet understood and thus remain “unidentified”.
However I could be convinced that most of our world leaders have been replaced by alien lizard people. It’s the only logical explanation I can think of!
“Yet it seems Dave, that you’re just a bit reticent to declare your fervent belief in intelligent alien beings clumsily surveilling us for nearly a century, being detected thousands of times, yet not doing so much as to communicate with us on any level. Why do you leave us in the dark about your opinion? At some level do you recognize how absurd it is?”
Well, it wouldn’t be absurd if there really are aliens beings visiting the Earth.
If we assume the aliens are real, then we probably have to assume they are also benign and are not a danger to us, since if they were a danger, and considering their advanced technolgy, we wouldn’t stand a chance against them. So I assume they have no desire to destroy if they have not already done so.
As for “clumsily surveilling”, I think that would be the wrong way to look at it assuming aliens exist and are visiting. A better explanation for their behavior is first, study of the Earth and humans, and second, to get the people of Earth used to the idea that they are not alone in the universe, as a lead-up to Contact. 🙂
The speed of light? What do we know?
Tom, it’s probably true that there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in my philosophy, but benign alien visitors observing us for centuries and letting us glimpse them but never definitely confirm? I remain an ardent skeptic.
Sounds a bit like angels. How many aliens can dance on the head of a pin?
I’m a skeptic, too. I was just speculating. I need some evidence.
“I am sure Russia has developed a nuclear powered flying device that can fly for days or weeks, but I’m also sure that no country on earth – including Russia or China – has developed devices that fly with anything remotely resembling the physically impossible speed and agility possessed by UFOs”
I agree. A Russian nuclear-powered ramjet could not do the things we see UFO’s doing. Has anyone ever seen an exhaust coming from any UFO?
It wasn’t a nuclear-powered ramjet that powered the enormous UFO observed by thousands of people across Arizona and other States. All the observers said the craft made no sound, even though it was as big as a naval ship and passed right over their heads.
This statement and Occam’s Razor should be at the forefront of our thinking.
Possible vs. Impossible. And Logical vs. Illogical.
We see something with our eyes. We see something with instruments (IR, Radar). But what we see usually behaves in a way to suggest little intelligent purpose. The motions of these objects seem random and aimless. If they mimic life, then perhaps the random flight of a gnat. What intelligent goal can we ascribe to such flight paths?
Unless we are witnessing a window into an alternate reality where there are different laws of physics, then we should first go to the idea that what we see has no mass. The accelerations we see could not be survived by any lifeforms we know of, and I doubt we could make a structure that would withstand that, except perhaps a solid. But even in the absence of gravity (assuming an antigravity technology in effect), the acceleration of the mass would require unimaginable energy localized to the object with no evidence of propulsion.
We do observe this kind of behavior with plasmas, which are ionized gasses. Plasma is very mysterious in its behavior & properties. Plasma self-organizes into “tufts” and “plasmoids.” They often take on the following shapes: spherical, oblate, toroidal, and tetrahedron. These would correspond respectively to: Lighted orbs, flying saucers, flying donuts, flying pyramids/triangles. Plasma balls can move, divide into multiples, combine, flash at regular frequencies, disappear & reappear at another location and seem to move at near-instantaneous speeds. If a potential difference exists between the core of the Earth and another body like the Sun, and ions are present (as they are in abundance in space), then currents will flow. They likely flow all of the time, but perhaps under certain conditions they avail themselves when they reach “glow mode.”
We know of phenomena such as earthquake lightning & volcano lightning. There are many effects that are not well studied. There is an increasing body of evidence that electrical phenomena have a much larger role in the universe than we currently believe.
“Unless we are witnessing a window into an alternate reality where there are different laws of physics”
Or, maybe we don’t know all the laws of physics yet. I hear the electron is being re-evaluated.
How many people would have seen a rocket first hand at this time?
BTW, Robert Goddard moved from Mass. to Roswell, NM in 1930.
Never mind what observations have been recorded, what do the UFO models conclude?
The models conclude this is an “existential threat” and will require a tax on all energy use to fund a global “ghostbusters” campaign to protect future generations from “apocalyptic events” which will result in the end of the Earth in 12 years.
P.S. My models are “programmable” to any scary scenario you like. For a very reasonable fee we can destroy the Earth in Drought, Floods, Fire, Winter Freeze, or Earth Shaking Earthquakes.
Hot or Cold have been focus group tested and do result in greater revenue per capita to avoid “burned alive”, or “frozen in the dark”, scenarios.
Time scales are also readily adjustable, as those pesky “extraterrestials” are on a schedule that can by modified to increase attacks, as needed for election purposes.
UFO = Condensation droplets on cameras
or some such thing.
For sure.
That would be my assumption, along with reflections in glass or other optical illusions but then there are suggestions that some were recorded on radar.
Radars aren’t perfect, they also suffer various defects.
As it was considered in the case of the famous;
“Ghost rogue flight”.
Where a considerable amount of radar data lost value and validity and ended up treated as erroneous or defective…
just like that.
cheers
Whatever they are, I’m pretty sure they’re not aliens.
These videos are generally infra red e.g. FLIR cameras and as such can look really weird.
For a bit of common sense, take a look at these videos:
Anton Petrov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McVqKmUaaok
And one of several videos by Mick West:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7jcBGLIpus&list=PL-4ZqTjKmhn5Qr0tCHkCVnqTx_c0P3O2t&index=4
The “aliens” in these cases were almost certainly a weather balloon, a military jet and possibly a commercial passenger jet.
Very likely the Pentagon knows they are normal objects, but, as Petrov mentioned, they are unable to speculate or confirm their analysis due to the security rules. This leaves the field wide open to all kinds of wild speculation. Let’s face it, an alien spacecraft is about a million times more exciting than a weather balloon!
Just like Anton Petrov, when I was at school and college I was very interested in UFOs and read many books on the subject, including the one by Adamski (a complete fake). But I don’t think I ever really believed in the alien hypothesis. Now I’m very sceptical, just as I am about climate change.
All these videos are just blobs in the sky made to look weird by infra red imaging. Many of them show flashing navigation lights. I severely doubt aliens – or Russions – would be careful to switch on their nevigation lights so they could be clearly seen by everyone.
Yes, there have been UFO sightings over the past centuries. The fact that they never, ever came to anything is a bit of a clue. I certainly think that the galaxy may harbour life on huge numbers of planets and that there may indeed be alien civilisations out there in the vastness of the universe. That’s truly a magical thought. But I’m sorry to say that I think all this UFO and ancient alien nonsense says more about the stupidity and gullibility of some human beings than it says about the reality of aliens flying in our skies.
Chris
It’s the one’s where they are clearly filming an insect flying at night that amuses me. They think this craft is far away and pulling off incredible physics defying manoeuvrers why in reality it’s simply a bug close to the camera.
Remember that John Candy movie, where he is an air traffic controller? They know it’s time for him to take a week off when he mistakes a fly on his screen for a plane. LOL.
Mr. Lee, it is clear you have had a shave with Occam’s razor.
The term alien is surely racist. I am sure that past (it) presidents Carter and Obama meant to refer to interstellar climate immigrant refugees. Alien Justice censors please note. Putin’s checks to Joe will all be canceled, otherwise.
A convenient silly distraction to tne superstitious, Tell Obama and Carter to accept an interview by Larry Elder, for instance. You’d never hear of UFO’s again.
Excellent synopsis and clarification. Instead of worrying about aliens and Russians, we should be more concerned about Dr. Zeke … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqm9-zd-pFk
Russia!!!!!
Russia,Russia,Russia.
RUSSIA!!!
Where have I heard this before? Oh yes, for the entire Trump presidency. Now I remember.
Flying craft which show off speeds of Mach 20+ and turns at 50+ Gs. Very impressive technology.
1) No other Russian military hardware seems to have benefited in any way.
2) No part of this new technology was ever commercialized.
3) Science and technology so advanced, noybody in the West can even guess how it is done.
Those Russkies are sneaky like this. You have to watch them at all times.
I mean, I could be wrong – maybe they are aliens. Or some strange natural phenomenon. But I think the Russian nuclear aircraft hypothesis is more plausible than the idea we are being buzzed by Alpha Centauri.
The one thing I like is how Eric Worrall will hang onto a point of view, no matter how absurd it is shown to be. Eric seems to think that the word “nuclear” imbues any object with mystical abilities.
Um no.
Speed: Mach 20+, way, way beyond anything anybody has ever built. For the US, perhaps mach 7 for hypersonic missiles and re-entry vehicles.
Maneuver: 50+ Gs. Way more than anything anybody knows how to build.
Nuclear power does not change either of these realities.
Try a chant, now really feel it…..
Nuclear, Nuclear, Nuclear!
Oh Drat, no effect. Maybe try again.
“Russia has claimed for years to have developed a strange aircraft”
A nuclear powered missile and bomber are not strange, The US built and tested them as well, over fifty years ago. If these are the UFOs, I think we would recognize them.
If you want really strange Russian aircraft, I give you the ‘Caspian Sea Monster,’ The Ekranoplan:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lun-class_ekranoplan
Plenty of YouTube videos as well.
I guess we’ll know more when the Pentagon report comes out. I’m not discounting the possibility of another explanation, and obviously if the Mach 20 claims hold up, that’s well beyond the technology I’m proposing as an explanation, but an encounter with Russian nuclear powered drones on a test flight seems more plausible than an encounter with aliens.
Why Russia, why not America?
America abandoned atmospheric nuclear propulsion technology decades ago. The USA certainly has the knowhow and capability to restart such programmes, but the Russians are ahead of the USA by at least a decade in this field.
Nuclear propulsion, which you seem hung up on has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Which country surprised the world with Stealth Technology and Radical designs?
Sure, its not impossible.
Micheal Kelly’s note about projections is very interesting and can explain the extreme maneuvers.
Ok. If not America, how about the CIA?
Eric
Until “the Russians” show that they have developed an anti gravitational system that flies I think that UFO technology is in the hands of little green men
I’m suggesting the Russian claim they have deployed technology developed 50 years ago by the USA is true. Hardly a claim to Alien technology ;-).
And in reality we keep being buzzed by our own obsession with “pink unicorn” hysteria and the “power of the crystals”.
The “Bogey Buggy” for cannibals;
“another, greyer, stelthier, scarier heartless and completely void of empathy cannibal.”
Which actually loves icecream and cold fruit shakes.
cheers
Eric,
In a practical sense, the only use for nuclear weapons is to deter their use by others. Dropping a nuclear reactor, albeit a “small” one, on someone’s population centers would effectively amount to a “first strike”. I don’t see the efficacy of using nuclear cruise missiles – use them initially and invoke a full-blown nuclear exchange or use them after the fact, and then who cares?
“In a practical sense, the only use for nuclear weapons is to deter their use by others.”
I agree.
We’ve been seeing these craft for CENTURIES. They’re in medieval paintings and even described in ancient writings. This isn’t a recent phenomenon.
I presume that you’re making a case against recently-developed Russian technology? Because it certainly only weakens the case for aliens to argue that they were not even sophisticated enough to hide from medieval primitives.
“Chariots of the Gods” by Erich von Daniken?
Released June 1984. Over 7 million copies sold.
Read it way back when – and it’s one of the few books I have ever discarded, along with some T. Lobsang Rampa works. (I read, even ingredient lists on food packages.)
I’m pretty sure Chariots was released earlier, I recall reading it in the 70s.
I loved the Lobsang Rampa books too! And Carlos Casdeneda (sp?).
My favourite, though, was Asimov’s complete debunking of every point in Chariots. It was great.
G’day ZZ,
I wasn’t sure of the date either – did a ‘search’ and that was what I came up with. It may have referred to a particular edition.
Asimov and Heinlein – one to teach, one to make you think.
Carlos Casdeneda? Not familiar with. Just added a URL to my “Visit List”.
Cheers…..
I was abducted by an interstellar climate immigrant refugee named Griff, but he was Chinese not Russian
Yes, indeed. Please continue to pay people like us to watch them! Devilish clever those Russians!
This missle thing shows standard turning, not the rapid reversal of direction of UFOs. I didn’t even mention their cloaking ability.
Add the crop circles, mutilated animals, etc and over 80,000 bits of global evidence compiled by MUFON (of which only a handful have been debunked) and your nothing-but-us theory goes up in smoke.
-Zoe
Crop circles are a hoax, the pranksters confessed in 1991. No doubt lots of copycats since then.
And were these crop circle makers charged for their crimes?
That’s a lot of destroyed crops.
Perhaps they told the truth to the cops, but a lie for the fools.
Like I said, a few have been debunked, but others not even close.
Take a look at the first picture. You really believe that was made with ropes and boards in the middle of the night? Really?
You have to admit it is dang inconsiderate of human crop circle hoaxers to interfere with the alien transmission.
Tell those human crop circle hoaxers it’s not cool to sometimes leave skinned animals in their work.
Yeah that has to have been aliens. Couldn’t be some crazy cult religion or hoaxers. Let’s go with the simpler answer. (“I’m not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens”)
Maybe the aliens are trying to steal our geothermal heat, eh Zoe?
Yeah, aliens are going to travel across the galaxy to leave pretty patterns in a farmers field.
All crop circles are man-made. In the UK trespass is a civil offence and therefore up to the landowner to prosecute.
Criminal damage can be reported to the police, but how the hell are they going to find the people who do it?
Lastly farmers have made money from charging people to come and see the circles.
Rusty,
Hoaxers don’t leave thermal prints, funny smells, and dead animals.
There’s also glassy sand “circles” in Saudi Arabia, and Sahara.
There’s also mutilated tree tops that also form patterns.
There’s just so much evidence.
“There’s just so much evidence”That you’re a bot or just an ordinary troll?
That you’re rude.
In England, not so in Scotland, at least.
And if damage to property is caused, it’s automatically a criminal offence.
So if I damage your car driving onto your property in Scotland, it’s automatically a criminal offense? IIRC you have to come on a person’s property with the INTENT to commit a crime for your actions to be considered criminal.
What a SHOCK! The zoebot believes in aliens.
You know the story of the murderer that had a separate elaborate explanation for every suspicious item in the trunk of his car?
Here is one among dozens of videos you can easily find:
https://youtu.be/Ztjyhy9MkUo
“Crop circles are a hoax, the pranksters confessed in 1991. No doubt lots of copycats since then.”
Yup, was involved in a few myself in the late 70s,
Method-
Need a full moon & dry earth, some short scaffold planks with rope bridles, a few thin steel marker posts ~4ft long, a long rope with marker knots, a magnetic compass, a pre-drawn plan & a few people.
Walk into field on short stilts ( so no footprints) + walking poles.
Set up one person as center, take marker rope to first knot, drop board & tow it with rope bridle untill plan-master says stop, repeat until design complete.
A simple design takes about 1 hr complicated 5-6hrs.
Great fun (geometry by moonlight.) !
These days they use smartphones & GPS apps for the wonderful patterns, but the method is still the same.
Still got some of the press cuttings … somewhere !
animal mutilation … have you ever seen the result of regular ol’ common scavengers?
Skunks, opossums, rats, crows, raccoons, buzzards, coyotes, etc. Those critters don’t have nice cutting tools, they achieve their goals by pulling, ripping and tearing. Forget that David Attenborough read some lurid lines telling you how X scavenger has razor sharp teeth … they don’t, animals have very dull teeth, and use pulling and twisting to dismember their feast. All this thrashing leads to oddly mangled trash piles to be discovered in the morning. And yes, the very soft and thin-skinned hind end is the usual location of first entry to the―very prized highly nutritious and easily digestible―internal organs. Thus leading the uninitiated to believe it sexual mutilation. When in fact, the first arrivers are looking to grab what they can, because they will likely be chased off their feast by more dangerous interlopers arriving soon. Also consider that most predation occurs at birthing, with the predators/scavengers taking the newborn, and follow-ons starting at the bloody bottom end.
This is a distraction to what sleepy Joe is really trying to do be the report comes back we know nothing
I saw a UFO in 1969 in Southern Oregon. A friend had a kite really high and we were watching it when a metallic disc shaped object came into view. It made no sound and didn’t have the profile of a plane but that’s what we assumed until it came to a stop over the kite. It hovered there silently for about 15 minutes then moved off on a vector, abruptly changed direction 90 degrees and shot out of sight at an unbelievable rate of speed.
I have no idea what that was but doubt it was Russian.
I’ve seen Eagles at over 3000ft when flying. Eagles are a serious hazard for light aircraft, eagles are big enough to do serious damage, but too small to spot until you are right on top of them – when you are travelling at 120MPH you don’t have long to take evasive action. They tend to circle in enormous arcs, and when aloft they don’t flap their wings much, they tend to ride the thermals. When riding thermals their wing and tail feathers are really spread out, to catch the updraft. Their visibility changes significantly depending on the angle of their wings to the viewer.
I’m not saying what you saw was an eagle, but its a possibility to consider.
Eagles don’t look remotely like what we saw. They also can’t shoot out of sight in an upward direction at the incredible rate of speed the object displayed.
Cmon Eric. Didn’t you see Zoe’s comments? It was aliens.
Not to mention the fact that with no frame of reference you have no idea what the size and location of an object are in an empty sky. Or does the Moon really get smaller as it rises?
There was no way to tell if it was a small object close or a larger one father away. The location was fairly precise because it stopped directly above the kite.
As I understand it, they are a problem because they ‘know’ they are invincible up there having never had a predator to deal with, so happily attack planes.
Yep. Not attack, ignore the risk. Same with wind turbines. They seem incapable of comprehending anything could possibly be a threat when they are in the air.
The Spirit of Charlie Brown protecting your kite.
Nuclear powered missiles. It takes less than 2 seconds to realize the ‘Onion’ here…. 🙂
The USA developed a nuclear ramjet engine in the 1960s, Project Pluto. The Russians have been talking about their nuclear cruise missile and nuclear space launcher technology for years. There is nothing implausible about the technology, given the USA had a working prototype 50 years ago.
Not as represented in the video 😉
In the 80’s when working at Battelle Pacific Northwest Labs at the Hanford nuclear site, reusable nuclear weapons was a topic us youngsters would discuss around the lunch table. Lab legend had it that the US at one time was developing a nuclear-powered rocket that could go into orbit, partially deorbit just enough to raise havoc on the ground with a strong sonic boom, then accelerate back into orbit for use another day. Could this have been related to Project Pluto??
“Well, I saw the thing comin’ out of the sky! It had the one long horn, and the one big eye. I commenced to shakin’ and said ‘Ooh-ee. It looks like a purple people eater to me.”
…
“Well he went on his way, and then whadya’ know? I saw him last night on a TV show. He was really blowin’ it out, a-really knockin’ them dead. Playin’ rock and roll music through the horn in his head!”
There already are so many ridiculous absurdities for sheeple to believe in that this one (space aliens) just seems like overk1ll. The Human Race is getting dumber by the minute. Maybe AOC is accidentally correct: in 10 years we’ll be too dumb to breathe and so go extinct.
Don’t see why real UFO’s or Russian nuke powered drones would topple end over end (to take one example from the article above) as part of their mission. UFO researchers are too credulous I think and have a vested interest in keeping the hype going. I got turned off the whole subject years ago after a couple of different things. The first, that really downgraded my regard for UFO researchers was when I hopefully, expectantly checked out one of the prominent UFO reporting sites and the top report of the day was on a large cigar shaped silvery object — ooo what could it be. The description said it had either a line or dotted line down the length of the object — sounded like a plane fuselage with windows, the viewer just couldn’t make out the tail or wings for whatever reason, like position of the Sun. And that brings up the other thing: some sightings, even recorded at crop circle sites, feature small bright white balls that make tight turns really quick – like the birds at the cemetery, when the Sun is bright and the birds fairly far away, that one doesn’t notice any flapping wings or bird shape. Luckily the bright balls of white light that could make hairpin turns flew closer so that I could see that they were really birds. Its not complete proof but enough for me not to trust any human witness, or the witness of grainy, out-of-focus pictures or video. We live in an electronic fish bowl these days, so I’m waiting for 4k/8k video of these craft. And by the way Russian nuke powered missiles or drones would be huge, noisy, easy heat signature give-aways, etc. And would not be buzzing bored people in the boonies.
There are close encounters of Russian aircraft with the West which occasionally make the news, like an “unsafe intercept” reported by CNN in 2020. The Chinese have been accused of playing lots of cat and mouse games with Taiwan. As far as I can tell these games are an attempt to undermine the confidence of the intercepted pilots.
If Russia is testing a new nuclear ramjet, then it seems plausible that an extension of these games would be to buzz Western assets with the new toy, try to mess with the heads of Western pilots.
Eric, even if the Russians have a nuclear ramjet, that does not explain how the aircraft can turn on a dime in any direction without tearing itself apart. A nuclear propulsion system does not imbue special powers to the rest of the aircraft.
Drones can pull 20G turns, its not like they’ve got a human pilot. A 20G turn would look pretty spectacular if you were right up close.
“We live in an electronic fish bowl these days, so I’m waiting for 4k/8k video of these craft.”
Me, too! 🙂
it need a decent lense too.
I have a Sony Camcorder that is probably 15 years old. It takes better video at 1080p than any 4k videos I’ve seen, because it has a Carl Zeiss lense. If the lense is no good, it doesn’t matter how many pixels you have in my experience.
Would a nuke ram jet leave a radiation trial that could be detected?
Russian military analyst Anton Lavrov wrote an article in 2019 suggesting that while it is likely the engine activate a little of of the air passing through the engine, the amount is so small that over a dozen test flights has not triggered a detectable increase in radioactivity.
The motor itself would emit a lot of radiation, but air is pretty opaque to nuclear radiation, you would probably have to be quite close to detect it. Gamma rays, the most durable product of nuclear reactions, lose half their power every 500ft, and the radiation is being emitted in all directions, dropping off with the square of distance on top of absorption by the air, so even a few miles away there would be very little radiation to detect.
If by “detected” you mean “kill everybody under the flight path”, then yes, it could be detected.
The nuke ram jet was so horribly dirty radioactive that the US never pursued the project.
Even at the height of the Cold War, the Soviets came to the same conclusion. Such a weapon would leave just too much radiation in its wake to be a useful weapon.
That’s an exaggeration Tony. The following is a video of 5 guys who agreed to stand directly under a 2Kt airburst. Pretty sure they lived.
The detonation was 18,500 feet above them. The resultant cloud was so hot it did not have a portion that immediately sank down to their “ground zero” stance.
Nevertheless even if every atom of air came out radioactive, which it certainly wouldn’t, by the time it was diluted by a few cubic miles of ambient air it would be entirely breathable. We’re not talking about a nuclear explosion, a nuclear engine releases its energy a lot slower.
“That’s an exaggeration Tony.”
Yes.
But not as much as we might think. Allow me to amplify.
A standard nuclear reactor:
The base setup is –
a) The reactor itself
b) The primary cooling loop
c) The secondary cooling loop
The reactor and the primary cooling loop are one sealed system, confining all radioactive species within.
There is a heat exchanger between the primary and secondary cooling loops. The secondary loop picks up the heat and is used as the working fluid for the turbine. Thus the system allows for all the radioactive reaction products to be contained and kept isolated.
The Ramjet configuration:
a) The reactor.
Both cooling systems are dispensed with.
Airflow goes from the jet air intake directly through the reactor core. This airflow is used as both the reactor primary cooling and the jet working fluid.
This is where trouble starts.
Because of design constraints, there is little, or no, fuel cladding. (!)
The airflow impinges directly of the fuel at high speed and high temperature.
High speed means multiple mach numbers, shock waves and all.
High temperature means just as hot as they could make it without melting everything.
The possibility of eroding fuel and fission products into the jet exhaust is now clear.
My understanding of the system is that the exhaust had the entire witches brew isotopes you get from U or U/Pu fission. Perhaps not a whole lot in terms of grams or kilograms, but with this isotope mix you do not need a lot to make a big mess. In short, it was not the alpha, beta, gamma from the reactor, it was the fission products and daughter and decay products getting into the jet exhaust that was the real problem.
We used to launch balloons into the stratosphere after soviet nuclear missile tests in order to detect and analyze the airborne radiation. If the Russians are flying secret nuclear powered aircraft we would surely have detected its radioactive signature. 60 years ago they experimented with the idea of a nuclear bomber, but built only one prototype—tested mostly with the reactor not powered up—and concluded it was impractical AND a serious danger to the environment in case of a crash, something that happened quite frequently with Soviet aircraft.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-95LAL
These UAP sightings are reported to make maneuvers that accelerate to 100000 MPH and are pulling g forces that would be impossible for any known aviation structural concepts to survive. Further more the atmospheric shockwaves generated by such maneuvers would be detected by the observers that have witnessed these events.
At 100,000MPH the structure would be a fireball, and the shockwave would be utterly devastating, any fighter jet caught by the shockwave would likely be shattered. This is the speed of a very fast meteor striking the atmosphere.
I saw a black triangle when I was a teenager back in the early 80’s and it appeared to be very large and made a 45 degree turn almost instantly. And in 2013 saw several of the cube within a sphere objects in the Houston area over the course of 2 weeks. Around that period there were reports all over Texas of these phenomena generally reported as orange orbs. Whatever they are they do not seem like machines that could be built by humanity, unless they are time travelers from the future. It was very frustrating then not knowing what they are, and even more frustrating that the military is essentially saying the same thing. And the DHS incidence in Puerto Rico tracking one that apparently entered the water traveling at 100 MPH with no noticeable disruption on the surface indicates that this technology is beyond comprehension without some manipulation of matter at the quantum level. When you put all of these characteristics on the board, it seems impossible to explain them with known Newtonian or Relativistic physics.
The more reasonable explanation is that we are not observing something with mass. We are observing plasma. It explains the lights, the shapes, the movement, the lack of sonic booms or disturbance of water, intermittent acquisition by instruments, impossible acceleration, “teleporting”, disappearing, reappearing, combining, dividing, etc.
Every aspect of what is described in the UAPs is what we see in the plasma lab, and it’s reasonable to speculate this can happen naturally outside of the lab. As I posted higher up in the discussion, the US Military is trying to exploit the phenomenon to defeat IR homing missiles.
It would seem that a natural phenomena would not approach aircraft and match speed and heading as many reported sightings from pilots throughout the last several decades. A pyramid hovering 700 feet over a naval vessel does not sound like a natural phenomena unless there is a coordinated act of deception by the military. Whatever this is it has been going on for a long time and it appears to be monitoring us with impunity and in all countries, I would really like it to be a natural phenomena but the cause of such natural events is equally as baffling.
The link below is a thorough examination of an encounter done by someone who took a more scientific approach of analyzing the data and even though I am not a physics major and cannot comment on his theory of what it would take to produce such technology, I commend the effort, at least from a scientific analysis approach.
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Actually, what you describe is exactly what would be expected from plasma phenomena. The reason is that the observer’s aircraft becomes part of the circuit. The plasma might transition to glow mode (making it visible) due to the presence of the aircraft changing the impedance of the circuit. Hot jet exhaust provides an environment for plasma to become visible. The apparent tracking/mirroring of maneuvers are simply an indication that the phenomena (visible plasma) are influenced by the observing aircraft. It’s not an indicator that an intelligent and curious lifeform is directing the “craft.”
All of the evidence suggests that what we observe does not have mass. It’s very tempting to assume something intelligent is behind it, but there are simpler explanations that don’t require us to violate the laws of physics or go deep into theoretical physics.
I think there are still exciting things to discover – such as the role plasma plays in our world – but I don’t think we will find proof of intelligent life visiting Earth from another planet, or a secret race that lives inside the Earth. I’m not belittling that idea, as it would be cool, but I think what we observe has more mundane explanations.
If you are old enough to have had TVs with rabbit ears, you can relate to this example. It was a common experience that bad reception could be improved by touching one of the antennas. Or simply moving position on the sofa or in the room. If you stood up the picture would improve but as soon as you sat down the picture would degrade. This happens because the person is a part of the circuit. They are changing the impedance or reflecting the waves in a way that is reflected in picture quality. It might be tempting to think there was an intelligent being inside of the TV that had a laugh when every time you sat down to watch your show it would make the picture go bad. Then when you got up to fix it the picture would improve. We know it wasn’t an alien inside of the TV pranking us, but the picture quality could certainly mirror our actions.
Yes I definitely have lived through analog television and the problems associated with reception, but was well aware of the interference associated with people standing in the wrong place. And in the 4th grade I was well aware of electromagnetic wave propagation, but what I have witnessed in my observation of these phenomena cast doubt on them being plasma phenomena. Plasma phenomena should not have a glowing sphere with an object in the center, nor should they give you a strange feeling to be compelled to get up from the couch and go outside and look up to see one hovering above. I have been viewing the skies my entire life but have never seen anything like until my late 40’s. If this was a natural phenomena it should not taken this long to see one before. To me they appeared to be some type of machine that is way beyond our engineering abilities. I always wrote these reported sightings off as some type of natural phenomena until I observed them and now I can no longer assume they are natural, especially after a naval aviator described a cube within a sphere nearly colliding with him and his wing man. These guys are the best of the best and when they describe something that I have seen ( a cube within a sphere) I cannot accept that this is a ball of plasma. I understand your skepticism, I once thought as you did, but then realized that is not very scientific when you take everything into account. Sorry, plasma balls cannot explain the characteristics that have been reported as far as what I and others have observed. These things are machines and they are not built by humanity, angels or aliens I do not know, but they are not human and not plasma balls.
You should look into what plasma does in the lab. We may be observing machines, but the fact that they defy physics says they have no mass. If it were an intelligently controlled craft then why would it nearly collide with another craft? What intelligent purpose can we ascribe to the bizarre flight paths? I think all possibilities should be explored, so I don’t think we are at odds.
William, you are grasping for straws here with this explanation, plasma balls cannot spontaneously form at normal atmospheric pressures without a considerable amount of energy, such as a bolt of lighting, and when they do happen to show themselves they dissipate very rapidly. They do not and cannot accelerate to 100K MPH, nor can they descend from 80,0000 feet to sea level in one second. You may as well be chanting weather balloons and Venus as an explanation. These things apparently travel in some kind of disruption field and leap from one point to the next by manipulating normal space with some type of disruption field or they are simply illusions. There is no way anything we know of including plasma balls that can achieve these velocities in the atmosphere without causing disruptive shockwaves. You really should look at this analysis, since it matches frame by frame observations with theory.
How could a plasma ball travel 100 MPH underwater and emerge?
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They want to believe
Yep
You have it all wrong Eric, the manoeuvrability and speed of these craft are beyond Russian ingenuity.
Faster than the speed of sound, but no boom.
Or maybe just faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, look, up in the sky, it’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s Superman….oops, memories from my childhood.
So how do they avoid making a boom when breaking the sound barrier?
Beware the Cookbook.
To Serve Man, indeed.
I’m pretty sure life on other planets must have existed at some point.
The chances of their technology being able to cover the vast distances at exactly the moment we are able to make sense of the encounter are so remote as to be impossible, so I dismiss any UFO as being evidence of alien life.
I’m also pretty damn sure if Russia or China or whoever had the capability to send missiles or aircraft over US territory we would already know about them.
Do UFOs exist?
Probably, I don’t know.
A UFO is exactly what it says on the tin, unidentified or at least until we figure it out and put to bed implausible ideas such as this one.
If Russia got their nuclear ramjet to work, powered flights lasting days are plausible. Pretty risky testing the device over US territory, but Russia sometimes intrudes on US airspace, so its possible they wanted to see what happened. Given the USA had a working prototype nuclear ramjet engine in the 1960s, I think the Russian claims to have a working prototype are plausible.
Would the ramjet be detectable?
Hard to say. The radiation signature would be difficult to spot unless it passed right over a detector, and there are plenty of tricks for concealing the heat signature of a stealth jet exhaust, which would work just as well with a nuclear jet. The whole point of the new Russian toy is stealth.
With respect, Eric, in my opinion, the chances of Russia or China producing such a weapon and keeping it secret are, for all intents and purposes, zero.
Any sightings of UFOs are likely to be something we just don’t have an explanation for yet.
That’s just my point Redge, they aren’t keeping it secret. Russia told everyone what they have and nobody believes them.
People believe Russia’s evidence of UFOs. It goes back decades!
Any nuclear ramjet in flight would be detected by IR surveillance satellites. They haven’t been, or it’s not being talked about.
And from the Bible:
Zechariah 5:1
“Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll. And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.”
This was a vision given to Zechariah. If my memory’s correct, visions in the Bible are only given to one person — no one else sees them at the same time. This is because the vision, with its interpretation, is part of a message given to a prophet; the message is intended to be given to a specific person, group, or nation.
What sort of roll? Ham and cheese?
Eric, have you seen this patent for an inertialess drive?
Such a craft would explain all the characteristics of the craft in the videos.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en
Craft using an inertial mass reduction device
Anyway, I’m suspicious of UFO stories surfacing from the Democrat-controlled Pentagon and radical-left types such as Barack Obama.
Whether or not UFOs represent an alien threat we have no way of knowing, but you can bet that with the covid and climate scares fading so rapidly UFOs will be the next big left-wing scare story.
As journalist Henry Mencken said, “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”
EM Drive? Didn’t work out as I recall.
Thanks for the reply, Eric.
What if it did work out?
Would they announce that?
Or would they say it didn’t work out in order to maintain the military advantage?
Being largely insulated from inertia would explain how a human pilot could survive the g-forces the craft demonstrate.
“Whether or not UFOs represent an alien threat we have no way of knowing”
They are friendly.
If they were a threat, we would have found out by now.
I suspect they could be Thrargons from the planet Thragos, they roam the galaxy looking for other races to inflict gratuitous sex & violence upon in an orgy of debauchery & depravity, & that’s just the females!!!!! 😉
we have videos of tons of meaningless stuff since most people have phones on them at all times…. yet, practically all the videos are grainy, out of focus, in noisy black and white pixelations, panning too fast to make it impossible to tell what’s happening… basically, enough to wet the appetites of the believers but not enough to satisfy the doubters.
For years, thegovt denied their existance and now suddenly they prophesied from the mountain rops that they’re totally real? The same government that’s lied to you countless times on everything from yesteryears secret projects and missions and testing on military personnel without their knowledge, to todays covid19 lies/maskerade, can’t define man/woman, temperature adjustments, and hiding the1930s droughts and heat waves?
Open your eyes and ears peeps… this is very likely a smokescreen for something else – I don’t know what it is but something is not right with their sudden change of heart on the alien story. And like the covid19 lies and half truths, many will believe in aliens without hesitation… however, many of these same peeps do not believe in Jesus who actually walked the Earth 2K yrs ago and was killed by the powers that be for upsetting the apple cart (amongst the miracles and being the Lamb of God).
Is Mr. Worrall hoping for a ¨Gulf of Tonkin¨ to start a jolly little war, because ¨sources¨ say Russian nuclear drones fired on a helpless aircraft carrier, perhaps the shiny new Royal Navy QE2 on its way to the south China Sea?
https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2021/05/21/pentagon-ufo-psyops-fuel-russia-china-war-risk/
Problem is, an asymmetric response paints cross hairs on London …. Pray tell U.K. subjects about that!
I’m not keen on a major war with China. Where I live is uncomfortably close to a priority target, if China wanted to cripple Australia’s response to Chinese aggression in the region.
Quite simply the most stupid article I’ve read in five years on WUWT. If the author had bothered to read into the material of, for example, the Nimitz Tic-Tac sighting, he might have paused to ask whether it’s even remotely possible that the Russians have vehicles capable of hypersonic speed without a) being aerodynamic and b) generating sonic shockwaves. Yes, the Russki have increasingly interesting miltech, but no, they have yet to engineer their way passed known physics. Conversely, if folks from out of town have got themselves here, then issues of mere physics (within our infantile understanding of same) are clearly not too much of a problem.
I took a look at the video, but I didn’t see any aliens. If the object was a drone, it could have been quite close and small. There were bumps which might have been wings. When it veered off, if it was close a sudden course change would not have required an implausible burst of acceleration.
The link to the video goes to the front page – must be (e)x-files 🤣
Worth reading the account of the navy pilots which goes some way to explaining why the Nimitz Tic-Tac sighting is so difficult to dismiss.
metabunk did a write up of these sightings. The images don’t show a vehicle travelling at huge speed, it’s the sensor on the aircraft changing direction and switching from mode to mode that creates the impression.
Human beings are not very good at interpreting such images. Get your phone and start taking video of something you’ve zoomed in on and then start moving the camera. The thing you are focussed on will appear to move very quickly in the resultant video.
The F18 jets were sent there to investigate because of radar contact by navy ships. The jets were flying fast. The object also fast and then very fast as it shot out of the picture. Explain how that fits your weak idea.
Have you considered that it was close and flying in the opposite direction? The Petrov video cited above gives strong evidence that the tiny white object was a weather balloon, filled helium, which gets very cold up high and thus shows white on an IR image.
Sorry, which sightings are you referring to? If it’s the Nimitz Tic-Tac then you appear to be saying that the US navy pilots involved are lying. If so, you merit the “Anglo-Saxon rebuff”.
This analysis casts much doubt on the metabunk narrative, being that it was observed by a DHS prop plane, an airport control tower as well as observers on the ground simultaneously, by means of optical, radar and infrared observation. I mean being skeptical is warranted as I once was, but this is just too much data to dispute this event as being anything but tech that is beyond this world. It would seem anything capable of these characteristics could navigate the galaxy with ease.
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Any chance these are projected objects that somehow can be read by radar as solid objects?
If these unidentified things do things they physically should not be able to, possible they are not real solid objects, but appear so to radar and maybe even picked up by IR?
That kind of tech I would imagine is some kind of advanced holographic tech test maybe?
To be able to project craft and objects that read as real into a battlefield against an enemy would be a hell of a capability. Some black budget project like that, the US Navy would be the perfect live test.
The “Aliens” narrative is weird. There is nothing to suggest it’s alien craft except claims of these alleged objects doing things we can’t figure out (but that only applies to actual real solid objects, what is they are not)
To me that makes more sense than such alien encounters with a caveat, the “UFOs” would conceivably be drone probes that survey, that could explain their behaviour at least with the destroyer encounter and many other claimed instances
A second comment from me on this. It’s being reported that the coming Pentagon report includes satellite captured imagery/ data of UAP. Hopefully it will also include comment on the remarkable footage recorded by an external camera on space shuttle mission STS48, which shows utterly impossible (in our terms) performance in response to what looks disturbingly like an exo-atmospheric missile shot at the vehicle concerned. Sounds crazy, right? Search up the video, it’s not hard to find.
A guest on Tucker Carlson’s show the other day said the government had recovered “exotic materials” from UFO’s. I wonder if any of that will be made available or even mentioned by the Pentagon?
And I bet that guest had been smoking these ‘exotic materials’
Tucker seems pretty credulous on this topic. For some reason he doesn’t ask for EVIDENCE to back up the claims, which he would do if dealing with a political topic. WHAT “exotic materials”? From where? Who has them?
Why would the government be hiding those materials and at the same time revealing the Navy videos?
IIRC that same guest claimed that the material included “unknown elements”. Say what? Just what part of the Periodic Table is filled with gaps? And don’t point to isotopes, as isotopes of an element have the same chemical properties as the most abundant version.
And while I’m at it, we need to mention hoaxes, like the purported autopsy of an alien laid out on a table, Supposedly from the 1940’s—-except the phone on the wall has a coiled cable, something not adopted until the 1960’s.