UFOs Go Mainstream? Pentagon Preparing a Report for Congress, Ignoring the Obvious

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

Russia have openly admitted for years that they have developed a nuclear powered flying device which can stay aloft for days, possibly weeks, without refuelling. But maybe its easier to believe in aliens, than to face the idea that Russia may have developed a key military capability that the USA currently cannot match.

‘We’ve reached a tipping point:’ UFOs go mainstream, suspense builds ahead of major Pentagon report

By Ben Wolfgang– The Washington Times – Friday, May 21, 2021

In 1973, future President Jimmy Carter went public with a claim he had seen a UFO years earlier in the skies over rural Georgia.

Nearly five decades later, former President Barack Obama went on late-night TV this week and admitted there are “objects in the skies that we don’t know exactly what they are.”

“There is this manifest interest in the subject. And let’s face it: It’s not because it might be Chinese or Soviet drones or secret technology,” said Mark Rodeghier, scientific director at the Center for UFO Studies who has spent decades researching the subject. “All the real interest is because, yes, it might be aliens or something incredibly strange.”

Last May, the Navy acknowledged as genuine three videos that showed military pilots tracking objects in the sky that were moving at incredibly fast speeds. In one instance, the object flipped end over end while moving against the wind.

Now, Defense Department officials openly discuss the unexplained.

“We take reports of incursions, whether they’re by known aircraft or unidentified aerial phenomenon, very seriously, and the safety and security of our personnel and of our operations that they remain paramount,” Pentagon spokesman John Kirby told reporters this week. “So to protect our people, maintain those operations and safeguard intelligence methods, we don’t publicly discuss the details of these unexplained aerial phenomenon observations or the examinations of the UAP Task Force.”

At least some of the research is expected to soon become public. A joint report by the Pentagon and U.S. intelligence agencies is scheduled to be delivered to Congress next month. The Defense Department Inspector General’s office also is reviewing how the Pentagon has handled the issue of UFOs, and its report is also expected soon.

Read more: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/may/21/ufos-go-mainstream-suspense-builds-major-pentagon/

The following is a video of a test firing of the Russian nuclear powered 9M730 Burevestnik missile, from a Russian military website. The claimed range of the missile is more than enough to buzz US targets, outlasting any chemically fuelled vehicles the USA can deploy, maintaining full cruise velocity throughout the encounter. The missile is believed to work as a nuclear ramjet, in which a small unshielded nuclear reactor burning at temperatures close to the limit of available materials technology superheats air and expels it from the rear.

In 2019 the Russians admitted a radiation release in the Archangel region was due to a failed nuclear powered flight test.

There is nothing exotic about nuclear ramjet technology in engineering terms, it is all 1960s technology. The USA had a project to develop a similar system, Project Pluto, in the 1960s. The nuclear ramjet engines when test fired appeared to live up to expectations, but the project was abandoned over fears that US deployment of such a weapon would prompt the Soviets to respond with their own nuclear ramjets. The concern was the development of such weapons would destabilise the detente, because they would be an almost undetectable first strike weapon.

The Soviets were well aware of the potential of nuclear power, they built an experimental nuclear powered long range bomber in the 1950s, the TU95-LAL, but the project was abandoned. There was some suggestion the rather limited radiation shielding wasn’t enough to protect the pilots, though this is obviously much less of an issue in an unpiloted drone.

Obviously there might be another explanation for the upsurge in UFO sightings. But I think the hypothesis that the Russians were telling the truth when they claimed they had developed devices which operate on engineering principles which have been known for decades is a great deal more plausible than the idea that little green men chose now to cross the gulf of interstellar space, in order to behave like juvenile delinquents, scaring the locals with a few close encounters.

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May 21, 2021 10:12 pm

Those evil Russians! Now they build UFOs.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 4:05 am
Joseph Zorzin
Reply to  Vuk
May 22, 2021 5:00 am

Seems plausible indeed- first I’ve heard of this- maybe it should get more attention.

William Ward
Reply to  Vuk
May 22, 2021 11:25 am

Thanks Vuk – I just posted some follow-up information on the other thread, not realizing there was an entire article on WUWT dedicated to the subject. Let me repost it here.

I just found this article that supports my hypothesis.


U.S. Navy Laser Creates Plasma ‘UFOs’

The U.S. Navy has patented technology to create mid-air images to fool infrared and other sensors.

One of the interesting things about LIPFs is that with suitable tuning they can emit light of any wavelength: visible, infrared, ultraviolet or even terahertz waves. This technology underlies the Navy project, which uses LIPFs to create phantom images with infrared emissions to fool heat-seeking missiles.

The patent goes on to explain that the laser creates a series of mid-air plasma columns, which form a 2D or 3D image by a process of raster scanning, similar to the way old-style cathode ray TVs sets display a picture.

The LIPF decoy can be created instantly at any desired distance from the aircraft, and can be moved around at will.

Phantom aircraft that can move around at high speed and appear on thermal imagers may ring some bells. After months of debate, in April the Navy officially released infra-red videos of UFOs encountered by their pilots, although the Pentagon prefers to call them “unidentified aerial phenomena.” The objects in the videos appear to make sudden movements impossible for physical aircraft, rotate mid-air and zip along at phenomenal speed: all maneuvers which would be easy to reproduce with a phantom projected image.




I think it’s likely that plasma phenomena happen naturally and can explain most of the UFO observations. But the fact there are military programs to utilize plasma to create the illusion is essential to know! Natural phenomena are likely the root inspiration for this technology.

All who care about the future of technology must look to advancements in plasma physics. So much lies therein, including great potential for alternate sources of energy.

I also suspect ion/plasma flows between the Earth and the Sun – which is just beginning to be studied – may play a role in climate, and have a non-trivial role in climate variation over time. The “Electric Universe” Theory touches upon this, although that theory is in its infancy, and has many less-than-scientific (but interesting) appendages that diminish its credibility.

William Ward
Reply to  William Ward
May 22, 2021 1:02 pm

Another interesting article on technology applications of plasma physics.

Aerial Stealth

Plasma antennas disappear when shut off


When in an energized state, the enclosed plasma can readily radiate, absorb or reflect electromagnetic waves. Altering the plasma density by adjusting the applied power changes the radio frequencies it broadcasts and picks up. In addition, antennas tuned to the right plasma densities can be sensitive to lower radio frequencies while remaining unresponsive to the higher frequencies used by most radars. But unlike metal, once the voltage is switched off, the plasma rapidly returns to a neutral gas, and the antenna, in effect, disappears.

William Ward
Reply to  William Ward
May 22, 2021 1:10 pm

Images of plasma tufts and shells on an anode.

Plasma Regimes.png
Bloke down the pub
Reply to  William Ward
May 23, 2021 10:09 am

There have been sightings of foo fighters possibly as far back as the First World War.

William Ward
Reply to  Bloke down the pub
May 23, 2021 3:41 pm

They go back as far as ancient petroglyphs.

Plasma physicist, Anthony Peratt, analyzed these ancient petroglyphs to show how nearly identical they are to plasma discharge phenomena. These are not necessarily “flying craft” objects but strange objects depicted by ancient man, all over the world at nearly the same point in human development.


Petroglyphs Plasma.png
Alan the Brit
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 4:31 am

I thought that the vast majority of UFO sightings took place around 11:00pm after the pubs/bars chucked out & closed? ;-))

Reply to  Alan the Brit
May 22, 2021 6:18 am

Maybe, but now Canadian Hydrogen Intensity Mapping Experiment have found precise location where the mysterious radio burst come from that puzzled astronomers for a years. These aliens use ‘entanglement and superposition’ effects to get here in a trice.

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Reply to  Alan the Brit
May 22, 2021 8:42 am

And every photo of a UFO is out of focus.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Kevin
May 22, 2021 9:02 am

Yes, out-of-focus pictures do seem to be a frequent problem.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 22, 2021 10:59 am

If it is some kind of plasma effect (as suggested by William Ward (see link above) it would be an effect with no fixed delineation, but a gradual transition which in a photo might appear as an object out of focus.

Reply to  Alan the Brit
May 22, 2021 6:36 pm

Once upon a time, back in 1964 in the summer following Echo 2’s launch, while at a Boy Scout Camporee, several of us scouts decided to watch for Echo 2’s passage.
Yes, it was suggested by one of the Scout leaders who was hoping for some quiet.

We spread out ponchos and sleeping bags in an open area far from lights and planned to fall asleep watching the stars and Echo 2.
Anyway, we watched one pass of the mylar balloon then proceeded to BS about space flight while waiting for Echo 2’s next passage.

Not long after, we saw a light very similar to Echo 2.
Surprised, we watched as the light marched across the sky.
Only the light was not staying in a straight line. Swinging from one side to another and even doing several circles we watched that light move across the sky along Echo 2’s path.

No required lights for aircraft were visible. And we saw that thing from all sides.
One of the scouts mentioned that he thought Echo 2 only traveled in a straight line. Yet, we watched an unidentifiable object trailing behind Echo 2.

After a brief period trying to list flying objects that did not display required navigation lights… We didn’t like any of the suggestions.
Within minutes, one by one, we all decided that we no longer wanted to fall asleep watching Echo 2 and we retreated to our tents where we did not see open skies.

May 21, 2021 10:20 pm

What an embarrassing write up. 

Do you think Russia developed such technology in the 1920s and 30s when the same flying devices were seen doing the same impossible movements? This has got to be one of the weakest “explanations” I have heard yet. Not to mention the incredible variety of shapes and configurations make such a claim absolutely ludicrous…

I am sure Russia has developed a nuclear powered flying device that can fly for days or weeks, but I’m also sure that no country on earth – including Russia or China – has developed devices that fly with anything remotely resembling the physically impossible speed and agility possessed by UFOs…

Vincent Causey
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 21, 2021 11:31 pm

Not alien Eric, just unidentified. The clue is in the name. Why must it be either Aliens or Russians?

As an aside, Sherlock Holmes said “when you have eliminated the impossible, what remains, however improbable must be the truth.” If this is the method you are using, I should point out the obvious flaw in it – you can never eliminate all the impossibles (because some are unknowable).

Bryan A
Reply to  Vincent Causey
May 22, 2021 12:15 am

Germany built a flying machine that could stay aloft for weeks back in the 1900’s.
I believe they were manufactured by Zeppelin (after Ferdinand von Zeppelin)

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 6:31 am

Which does not invalidate the statement.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
May 22, 2021 2:25 pm

A statement made by a fictitious character…

Reply to  Vincent Causey
May 22, 2021 5:14 am

. Why must it be either Aliens or Russians” – too many syllables in “unidentified”

Reply to  Vincent Causey
May 22, 2021 6:17 am

Indeed. This is Hume’s ‘problem of induction’ For every given sitiuation there are, as well as an infinite number of explanations that are demonstrably wrong, also an infinite number of explanations that haven’t been (or can’t be) proved wrong yet.

Sherlock Holmes does not do deduction, his explanations are inductive.

It is also, combined with Einstein’s theory, and other radical scientific theories, what led Karl Popper to restate a version of Kant’s philosophy, and ask the question, whether. since Einstein’s ‘bent space’ that had no ‘force of gravity’ had superseded Newton’s forces, it was less correct to understand science as the ‘discovery’ of ‘truths’ in the materal world, but rather as ultimately unprovable inductive hypotheses about the material world. If Newton could have worked pretty well for hundreds of years, when it was now demonstrably wrong, how could we know that Einstein was in fact right…

And having removed any certainty of truth about them, he developed the idea of utility. That is, science isn’t what’s true, it’s what demonstrably works.

This is not just armchair philosophising, it is real serious stuff, and it is something WUWT regulars should consider, when they attack ‘models’. Popper argues, though he doesn’t use those terms, that all science is in fact ‘models’ that work. Not ‘facts’ or ‘truths’.

The critique of climate science is not that it is made of models per se. but that it is made of models that don’t work

Using this metaphysical approach, we also can quickly see where religion differs from science.

First of all, in this metaphysical system, science does not lead to Truth any more rhan religion does. Also it is valid to argue that both science and religion perform useful functions. Science gives us a certain power over our fate, but religion allows larger groups of people than an extended tribe to co-operate by having a shared morality…

And the point of Faith is not that it is, in intelligent people, a conviction of the truth, but it is a choice. In a world of an infinite number of possible explanations, the devout but intelligent man chooses to act as if he believed in the existence of a personal God in whose Plan he is a small but important part. This gives a meaning and purpose to life, which otherwise would be essentially meaningless. People survive better if they have A Reason.

Science too, relies on acts of Faith. Metaphysics is the study of those implicit beliefs that underly it, as well as other facets of human thought.

First of all, science has to attest and has to believe that we are in a sense separate from, yet part of a world, that has at any given time a single value (“Whatever is the case”) and whose current state is an irrevocable function of previous states (deterministic causality) and absolutely determines what future states will be, by the same mechanisms.

But how true is any of this? That is one of the prime questions a philsopher of science asks, especially when faced with equations and models that work (Quantum theory) but whose solutions and forms suggest strongly that the world may not, at any given time, have a single state, and worse, examining Einstein, maybe not have a single time, either.

If you are confused, you are in good company. Quantum theory is a rag bag of fairly dubious equations that seem to work, but no one understands what they mean in terms of what ‘ultimate reality’ is. Indeed many scientists deliberately won’t rush in where philosophers fear to tread, and simply say ‘our business stops with equations that work: we are not in the Reality business”

I am sorry if I have hijacked a thread to grind some philsophical axes, but UFOs are a perfect example of ‘induction in action’

Let’s review the situation from te perspective of a scaptical philsoper of post Kantian flavour.

We have – we here reading this, that is – reports of ‘unexplained’ phenomena. (unless you have personally ‘witnessed a UFO’ ,that is) .

We should, as proper skeptics first of all question the relationship between ‘what actually happened’ and ‘what people thought happened’ and indeed ‘what people subsequently said, happened’

That is in the range of possible explanations we can certailnly include pure lies, completely incorrect interpretations of optical illusions, or simply unrelated phenomena that are completely explicable, being combined into perception of an ‘entity’ that doesn’t actually exist.

We know that the mind assembles a continuous picture of the world out of fragments of sensation: magicians and illusionists capitalise on this to give ‘cues’ that are assembled into one sequence of events whilst in reality another sequence of events is actually taking place… incorrect interpretations are an example of inductive reasoning that is subesequently proved to be wrong.

Again, take reports of impossible speeds. That is an interperation of usually visual but sometimes radar, data. Wave a torch at a cloud. You can make the illuminated spot move at supersonic speed, with no trouble and no noise at all. It has no volume to displace air, and it has no mass – well very little – to be accelerated.

Radar data too, and I worked on radar back in the day, is not ‘continuous’ . It to assembles a picture from pulses of RF emitted in different directions at different times. Fooling it is top secret miltary research stuff. But in principle not so hard. Dopper radar gives us relative speed – but of what? the object itself? or something rotating rapidly ON it or INSIDE it?. What does it really mean that a series of eches that seem to be an ovject trravelling at Mach 10 are received. – one object, or a series of objects turning to reflect radar one after another, spaced widely apart…

Radar. like human perception, maps raw data into what it expects to see, and it is not foolproof. Cf the possibly apocryphal tale of a new cold war radar installation that reported wave upon wave of Russian missiles coming in, and then vanishing to be replaced by a new wave…

..the delay of the echo of a pulse gives the range, but a massively delayed echo of a previous pulse looks just like a shorter delay from the last pulse, and the moon was rising over the expected path of incoming missiles…and the reflected power and angular spread looked just like a batch of guided missiles…

So there is plenty of scope for advanced weapons, or indeed something else entirely to produce radar returns that look like a mach 10 object..

The Pentagon was happy to have people believing in UFOS rather than understanding the test flights of stealth technology back in the day .

And this brings me back to the philsophical analysis.

If there is something going on, which of the following possible explanations do you think is most likely?

  • Deliberate spread of disinformation by an individual for notoriety
  • Deliberate spread of disinformation by an organisation for secrecy
  • Advanced US technology
  • Advanced Russian technology
  • Advanced Alien technology
  • An optical illusion
  • Glimpses into a parallel dimension

And so on. These are all inductive hypotheses. Any one of them might be the case.

How can we choose?

What the problem of induction tells us is that in the final analysis, we can’t choose correctly. At best, Popper will tell us that we can probably, in true ‘no shit, Sherlock’ style, eliminate the impossible.

William of Occam, accepts the impossibility of certainty when his famous ‘Razor’ was expressed more or less as ¨Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem”

Or in todays colloquialism, since it’s all inductive models, you shouldn’t make more complex models than you need to, to explain what you need to explain.

This implicitly recognised that models are not the truth. And truth and certainty belonged not in science, but in religion…

E.g. Don’t build a conspiracy theory while there are simpler possibilities. Because you can’t know with any more certainty that it is truer. Accept the simple, pro tem, in the full and certain knowledge of the only fact, that it is in fact not a ‘fact’, but an ad hoc model of this aspect of the world.

So to summarise, consider these statements in the light of critical analsyis:

  • The equations of Einstein fully describe macro behaviour of matter and light and time better than Newton’s and we haven’t found insconsistencies in them yet.
  • The equations of climate science and the models derived from them, fully describe the behaviour of climate and we we haven’t found inconsistencies in them yet.
  • The UFO sightings are fully explained by them being evidence of alien technology, and we haven’t found inconsistencies in that theory yet.

These three statements looks superficially similar, and nearly all the bunk in climate science and conspiracy theory emerges out of that similarity of appearance. Especially to ArtStudents™ and other burger flippers.

Which is why we need Philosophy. To Karl Popper each of those statements was qualitatevely different.

The first statement is science. We can test Einstein, and he has not been found wanting, yet. It exists in the space of ‘could be, and works for now

The second statement is both refutable and in fact has been refuted. Model projections simply do not match reality, Ergo the assumptions of ‘climate science’ are at best incomplete (Judith Curry’s position) , or at worst plain wrong. (some of us more hardened sceptics). This is junk science or bunk. Or pseudo science. It exists in the space of ‘could be, if we hadn’t tested it, but we have, and proved it can’t be

The third statement is what Popper classes as ‘metaphysical’ . That is, you cant really argue with it, because it can’t really be tested. For aliens you can substitute pan dimensional white mice, angels, demons or godlings, dragons or unicorns, or over indulgence in pixie dust. It explains everything by explaining nothing. It exists in the space of ‘could be, but how can we tell?’

When we are faced with something that doesn’t map well into our mundane worldview, we seem to desperately seek to find the least disruptive way of incorporating it. That can vary from denial that the something acually exists or even more fundamental cognitive dissonance where people don’t even notice the phenomena…through forcing it into mundane explanations (weather ballons, lenticular clouds) to conspiracy theories (aliens watching over us [remarkably bad stealth technology for interstellar travelers])

Some people seem to like wild imaginative and emotional explanations. We mostly call them clinically insane. I call them ArtStudents™. Really they are missing religion. They crave the certainty of Faith, the Appeal to Authority and the rigid moral code, as well as the emotional crutch that religion gave them.

UFOS may well fill an emotional need. A little bit of mystery in a Marxist world of dialectical Materialism, that explains everything but satisfies no one.

Perhaps the Western world has had enough of Mans Fall From Grace into a technological world of Pure Sin Against Nature, and needs a new religion, and whilst they think themselves too sophisticated to believe in Sky Fairies, Aliens From Somewhere may in fact be just the thing they need to believe in, in a locked down guilt ridden Liberal West.

They can arrange some stone tablets ‘thou shalt not pollute thine planet, have heterosexual sex without a form of consent signed in triplicate in the presence of three witnesses’; and so on….and have the ‘UFOs’ leave them somewhere plausible.

Reply to  Leo Smith
May 22, 2021 7:40 am

Wonderful post Leo, this should be a WUWT subject post. There’s a lot to unpack here, I’m going to print this off and rehash it.

I’d like to add my idea which I do believe you’ve overlooked. The equipment movies you’ve mentioned are computer driven displays combining data from multiple sources. I posit the possibility that a target behaving unrealistically may be a software bug, with the systems displaying stale data from past targets on todays screen. Perhaps even false targets inserted by an enemy to mislead aircrews or weapons systems in the event of a conflict. I know if I were a crow, that’s what I’d do, mislead the enemies weapons systems with bogus data. Deception is one of the 4 D’s.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Leo Smith
May 22, 2021 8:04 am

That is the best comment I have ever seen. In all sincerity, thank you Leo for taking the time to write that. For some it was no doubt over long, not for me. Brilliant!

Julian Flood
Reply to  Leo Smith
May 23, 2021 8:22 am

Rendlesham, No. 6,


Reply to  Leo Smith
May 29, 2021 3:37 pm

“They can arrange some stone tablets…”

If you want to undertake this ceremonial sex magic experiment
then please also consider restricting yourself to a vegetarian
diet for a few days, and doing some LSD for a eucharist
as part of the ceremony. .

And try to further define your goal.
As in UFO’s – from the Pleyades, or the inner earth.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Vincent Causey
May 22, 2021 2:25 pm

As an aside, Sherlock Holmes said…”

Well, Sherlock didn’t say anything, because he never existed, except in the imagination. So it doesn’t make the statement true.

Another problem: how do you know everything that’s impossible?

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 21, 2021 11:36 pm

I don’t think it’s a matter of “alien visitor” vs. Russian nuclear drone. The “maneuvers” described by Navy pilots involved hundreds of g’s, and the velocities of the UFOs were far above anything we can produce – nor could the Russians with their nuclear drones. In fact, the Navy observers uniformly state that the “objects” they see have no visible aerodynamic surfaces, and no evident means of propulsion. The infrared videos posted by the Navy show no evidence of a hot exhaust, which would be required for a nuclear drone. I don’t believe what the Naval aviators have been seeing are objects at all. They might be thought of as “projections”, though that isn’t quite right. A Japanese company has pioneered an advertising technology where ultra-short pulse, high intensity lasers are used to create clouds of ionized “points” in the air which form glowing images of letters, or of objects. The laser array can be steered at tremendous speed (it’s phased array), so the airborne “images” can move almost instantaneously over large distances.

That is a commercial company, operating on private investment. I have no doubt that classified government programs exist developing the same technology, with much greater funding.

The question is: who would be projecting these images for our pilots to chase? Well, if I had that technology, it would be me. It would be like playing with a laser pointer around a cat, wouldn’t it?

I’m not saying that’s the definitive explanation, though it is a much better one than Russian nuclear drones.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 6:20 am

Cruise missiles have wings. These objects uniformly have NO wings or control surfaces of any sort. Are you postulating invisible wings on UFOs?

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 9:10 am

Eric, don’t forget that some of these “objects” hovered. They weren’t always traveling at high speed.

I was flying on business travel once, and the pilot came on the intercom with an announcement. He said that people with window seats on the left side of the plane should look below them, and they’d see a very large, silvery, disk-shaped object. “We see these things all the time” he continued “and have no idea what they are. Air traffic control picks them up on radar, too.”

I was sitting in an aisle seat on the right, and the “fasten seat belt” sign was on – so I had no hope of getting a look at it. I do recall that there appeared to be no interest in the phenomenon among those in a position to see it.

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David Blenkinsop
Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
May 22, 2021 10:39 am

If passengers in a position to see this amazing thing weren’t commenting on it, even after an announcement pointing it out, then that suggests that the pilot himself was misled or mistaken in some way (no matter that you’d think he’d be an experienced observer). Misinterpreting a cloud formation, or focused on an odd reflection, visible only from his own chair in the cockpit, you just never know.

Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
May 22, 2021 1:14 pm

I get the impression, that you too are a pilot!

How wrong is that impression?


Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
May 22, 2021 4:09 pm

I do recall that there appeared to be no interest in the phenomenon among those in a position to see it.”

That seems bizarre to me. You’d think someone would have said, out loud, “It’s just a …”, or “Holy crap!!”. Something…

Steve Reddish
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
May 22, 2021 7:14 pm

I have seen a circular shiny light phenomenon centered on the shadow of the jet liner I was riding in. I assumed it was a reflection off of the boundary between air layers of different densities. When the reflection came from a layer far below, the shadow of the jet was a barely visible dot in the center of the shiny circle. Of course, the shiny circular spot tracked the jet’s movement, without flitting arround, and I doubt it showed up on a radar screen. But, maybe that is what that pilot saw, and thought it was what the radar operators were referring to.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 9:48 am

A propulsion method based on the relationship between space-time curvature and charge answers all the questions. The relationship to gravity is well known, while the relationship to charge is not, none the less, such a relationship seems to exist, enabling a propulsion method powered by specifically crafted EM energy fields, i.e. field propulsion.

As evidence, consider modeling a photon as a resonant LC circuit. Based on the photon energy given by E=hv and the energy stored by a capacitance of E = q^2/2C, the only L and C that work is not the L and C of the volume of free space containing the photon whose resonant impedance is Z0 (377 ohms), but an L and C that resonate at an impedance of Z0/a (52K ohm), where a is the fine structure constant and Z0 is the impedance of free space given as sqrt(u0/e0). This result is easily derived from basic first principles.

If y is the wavelength of the photon, the required C is proportional to y*a. while the required L is proportional to y/a (there’s also a factor of 2*pi involved). Since e0 and u0 are immutable constants, the only way for the space containing a photon to have the required L and C is if the geometry of the space is occupies has been warped relative to the space-time it’s traveling through. The region representing the L requires its geometry compressed by a factor of 1/a, increasing the L by 1/a. while the region representing the C has its gometry expanded by a factor of 1/a decreasing its C by a. It turns out that the curvature representing charge warps the local relationship between space and time relative to the speed of light manifesting both effects, while the curvature associated with gravity uniformly warps space and time consistent with the speed of light.

The best way I’ve found to explain this is that photons, and indeed all manifestations of existence, are local organizations of curvature conserving space-time, that is, the amount of compressed space-time exactly offsets the amount of expanded space-time. For a photon, both are exposed to the space-time it’s travelling through, this it’s apparent mass becomes zero.

When this concept is extended to particles with mass, a singular point in space-time is warped into the particles ‘surface’ surrounding the anti-curvature on the inside thus isolating it from the environment manifesting apparent mass. The strong force then becomes the near field effect associated with gravity, while the weak force is the near field effect of the curvature manifesting charge. An interesting consequence is that the net curvature of the Universe becomes zero which is the same as the net curvature of the nothingness that preceded the creation of energy which split time from space manifesting all that we know.

The only other possibility is that photons don’t obey Maxwell’s equations. Otherwise, how to construct a propulsion system consistent with the observed behavior of apparent ET craft should become self evident as this hypothesis enables a practical Alcubierre warp drive by introducing the concept of conserving space-curvature to supersede the requirement for negative energy. In principle, you make the craft look like a photon to the space-time it’s traveling through.

Rich Davis
Reply to  co2isnotevil
May 23, 2021 5:14 am

Answers all the questions? Really?

Why would aliens visit earth for centuries and attempt to avoid contact?

Are they friendly or at least benign, or are they biding their time for some inscrutable reason?

How does it benefit them to visit our backwater planet out on a nondescript arm of our galaxy?

I think we must be talking about a different set of questions.

Reply to  Rich Davis
May 25, 2021 7:51 am

I’m not concerned about the motivations of aliens relative to the human race, only how their technology works and all of those questions have definitive answers based on science.

I also don’t know what you mean about avoiding contact. Military installations and the warships of many countries have been shadowed by these craft on almost a daily basis. It’s like they want us to know they’re here, but the powers that be don’t because they’re afraid of how people will react. However, given recent events, they may not have a choice.

As far as the motivation of aliens is concerned, if it was hostile, we wouldn’t still be here. As to why, consider that if we had the capability for interstellar travel, wouldn’t curiosity and the ability to discover new worlds lead us in the same direction?

Although, maybe they are here and are working to stealthly destroy our ability to compete with them by infiltrating the Democratic party in order to destroy us from within…

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 4:11 pm

All I can say is, based on the unclassified stuff I saw in the 80’s, I can easily imagine there’s some pretty crazy classified stuff today.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 6:36 pm

I think it was duck actually!

Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
May 22, 2021 12:55 am

Also we leaving out all this special first hand encounters of abductives.
The first hand witnesses.


Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 1:22 am


Reply to  whiten
May 22, 2021 7:17 am

A co-worker attended all the UFO conventions but one, early on. He interviewed many of the “abductees.” None of the ones he talked with had even a fragment of an iota of credibility. Some admitted, after extensive questioning, their “trip” was “in the spirit.” The were desperately seeking attention, period.

I also attended a lecture by one of J. Allen Hynek’s investigators. They focused on people who were trying to maintain anonymity. Witnesses’ stories were greatly detailed, agreed with each other, and were entirely credible. Hynek was no fool; he was a scientist who served on three USAF UFO studies.

A friend of mine, a pilot and a WWII veteran, saw a UFO over Wyoming with witnesses present. He says there was no possibility whatever that what he saw was based on human technology. The configuration and acceleration matched nothing on Earth and still don’t, even after many years of aeronautical development.

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
May 22, 2021 10:14 am

Just to be clear.
I am not a person that dismisses things just like that.

And I am not dismissing any possibility.
Simply saying that is very easy to end up deceived, or self deceived.

Sometimes one has to be very careful and pay attention to the conceptual terminology used,
especially in cases of high uncertainty.

Imagination is a very important and valuable attribute of human mind,
which can easily be manipulated by designated and intended-premeditated preemptive impact of conceptual terminology.

UFO, as a term holds two conceptual meanings.
One, the very basic one,
as specifically non “alien”.
And the other, quite a controversial one,
the “Alien Flying Object”, which at that point will conceptually be AFO…
identified as “alien”, whatever the aplicable meaning of the term “alien” in any specific case could be.

For example, the famous “Ghost rogue flight”, could be ease considered as an “Alien flight”.
A flight clearly outside identification and possible belonging within the possible means of the knowledge and real experience and expectations.

I know this a bit probably too much now.

Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
May 22, 2021 2:17 am

A lot of them look like plasma phenomena to me. Ball lightning on steroids.

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  Archer
May 22, 2021 9:15 am

A high-power radar, focused, is supposedly able to generate a ball of plasma, though I’ve been unable to find any reference to the phenomenon on line. (Generating plasma in a microwave oven is trivial, though you should use an expendable microwave oven…) I thought that would be a ready explanation for some of this stuff, if it actually happens.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Archer
May 22, 2021 9:21 am

Some of it does look like plasma behavior.

That might explain some sightings, but not all. There are some that don’t look like plasma at all.

Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
May 22, 2021 4:00 am

Navy pilots didn’t know what they were looking at. Metabunk did a good write up of the subject.

Pilots are human beings and just as easily fooled like anyone else due to the brain trying to make sense of something not readily apparent.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
May 22, 2021 5:37 am

“The question is: who would be projecting these images for our pilots to chase? Well, if I had that technology, it would be me. It would be like playing with a laser pointer around a cat, wouldn’t it?”


That’s the best explanation I’ve seen to date. Everytime I see one of these very grainy UFO clips on Tucker Carlson, I’m reminded of all of the so-called sightings in the 50’s / 60’s that were eventually chalked up to bad camera optics. However, my main reason for skepticism remains the whole space / time thing.

J. C.
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
May 22, 2021 8:31 am

These videos are of F18 navy jets flying very fast over water. They were directed to check the objects out because navy ships saw them on radar. Please explain how lasers could display on radar. Or where the laser emitter was located. I have no idea what is in the video but they were also at very high altitude where temperature in the air was below zero and the objects were colder based on the navy display. Not laser.

William Ward
Reply to  J. C.
May 22, 2021 12:42 pm

The lasers can be used to create plasma. Plasma can radiate, absorb and reflect electromagnetic waves. Plasma can be “seen” by radar in some configurations. Plasma is also created naturally in the atmosphere, so the radar may have picked up a natural plasma phenomenon. I posted an article discussing how the US Military is working on lasers to create phantom plasma decoys to defeat IR missiles.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
May 22, 2021 4:21 pm

 I’m reminded of all of the so-called sightings in the 50’s / 60’s that were eventually chalked up to bad camera optics.”

I remember seeing some videos of a UFO in Mexico, I think. It could only be seen on video, that should have been the first clue. In some of these cases of a diamond-shaped bright object, they were directly attributed to a series of Sony video cameras with a specific shutter aperture. Very interesting analysis.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
May 22, 2021 7:02 am

My guess is that they know the climate change scam is about to dissolve so they are looking for another crisis which will require a world government and high taxes to solve.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
May 22, 2021 9:24 am

Who are “they” in this comment? Aliens or Human Beings? I’m going to guess you mean human beings. 🙂

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 22, 2021 4:22 pm

Alien Human Beings.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
May 22, 2021 2:37 pm

The question is: who would be projecting these images for our pilots to chase?”

What better way to test your capabilities?

Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
May 22, 2021 8:24 pm

The “maneuvers” observed assume that it’s a single object moving, rather than multiple objects more or less stationary that flash on and off. Rather like the race that the Tortoise had with Brer’ Rabbit (or with Bugs Bunny, in a different telling of the story). It would not be difficult to set up a bunch of small drones more or less in a line (or in some other arrangement, if desired); the drones could have stealth technology, or just be small enough that they don’t really show up on radar. Then they re-broadcast the radar pulses in some pre-arranged sequence so as to make it appear that there’s a single object.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 2:01 am

Eric, this is common misjudgment and is the result of a lack of knowledge in this topic. If you are actually considering in giving this topic some serious thought read Leslie Kean’s book UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government officials go on the record.

The simple fact is that UFOs have been around for decades and even centuries. About 5-10% of them are genuine UFOs in the sense that they defy the common explanations. There is a genuine mystery here and its origins most likely isn’t from any government (although they might have acquired this technology over the years?). In fact, how could it be when they were seen in the early part of the 20th century?

So we are left at this point: They exist, but we don’t know what they are.


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Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 6:26 am

Sure. Gotta be the Russians

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 9:51 am

I would suggest to you that the recent surge in claimed sightings is likely primarily the result of three things: (1) the fact that nearly every human on earth now walks around with a high definition camera in their pocket; (2) the existence of social media as a way to widely disburse and share that video footage; and (3) the release of a sufficient amount of verified official Navy footage, resulting in people being far less reticent to share their experiences.

There are certainly a great many claims made by UFO witnesses that seem dubious or made up. However, there also exist reliable eyewitness accounts from fighter pilots, as well as instrument readings from radar, missile tracking systems, and cameras that are able to capture the full spectrum of light. These sightings and instruments have captured visible objects that seem to defy anything one would think a Russian nuclear airplane could plausibly do, such as accelerate from a hovering standstill to enormously high speed nearly instantaneously, or plunge straight into the ocean and then travel at hundreds of knots underwater.

Whatever these objects are, they do not plausibly seem to be either a form of nuclear propelled airplane or some kind of holographic projection.

Reply to  Billy
May 22, 2021 4:03 am

What’s a genuine UFO? If it’s something that is unexplained then it’s just that. Making the jump to anything else is the problem, but human beings hate not knowing.

The hardest thing for a human being to say is “I don’t know”, which is why myths, legends, religions and cults are part of human culture.

It’s filling in the gaps to explain the unknown which frightens us. The UFO phenomenon is no different.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  Rusty
May 22, 2021 4:40 am

I remember vividly going to the Palladium Theatre in London in the early 80’s, to see Barry Humphries as Dame Edna, although his first half character was Sir Les Patterson, Australian Cultural Adviser to the Court of St James, he told the audience that he’d been appointed to look into those UFOs, “you know, those Unidentified F***ing Objects!” I always that was a more apt description & now every time I hear someone mention UFOs, a wry smile creeps across my face!!!! PS Don’t tell ET, just in case!!!

Reply to  Rusty
May 22, 2021 9:43 am

One that isn’t a flock of birds, Venus, swamp gas etc. Something that can be observed on radar and is seen by credible witnesses to do maneuvers that are currently not possible with our technology

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Billy
May 22, 2021 9:25 am

“There is a genuine mystery here”


Reply to  Billy
May 22, 2021 10:03 am

And yet (as someone pointed out somewhere else), despite better cameras and far better imaging technology today, the pictures are still as grainy and difficult to decipher as they were in the 1950s.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 3:59 am

Unfortunately people don’t understand what UFO means. Instead of “Unidentified Flying Object” they think it means spaceship with aliens inside.

It’s a very common conflation. Just because something is unidentified therefore it must be aliens is pretty stupid, but very common amongst those who are politically disenfranchised and thus think governments operate like some baddy in a James Bond movie.

Reply to  Dave Stephens
May 22, 2021 4:13 am

Oh, yes. Those godless Bolsheviks and their TcheKa 😎. They had a pact with the devil himself.
Only the devil can fly that way!
Or a fly on the objective of that camera

Reply to  Alex
May 22, 2021 10:04 am

Speaking of the Bolsheviks and their pact with the devil, did you know that President Eisenhower was approached by demons? They told him that Stalin had died and gone to heaven, and they were applying to the US for asylum.

Reply to  mcswelll
May 22, 2021 10:05 am

I made an awful typo: s/heaven/hell/

Reply to  Dave Stephens
May 22, 2021 6:25 am

We can’t rule out that these phenomena are the intersection of four-dimensional objects with our own Euclidian 3-space. It’s like watching a shadow or a reflection on a wall; the ordinary limitations don’t apply. Yes, there’s something there, but it is NOT in or on the wall; it’s mostly somewhere else.

Reply to  Dave Stephens
May 22, 2021 6:52 am

Agree w/you, David. Russian nuclear missles? Is it the 1950s regarding “explanations”? The post forgot swamp gas, car headlights, balloons, birds, Venus, the Moon, mirages, etc.

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Rich Davis
Reply to  Dave Stephens
May 22, 2021 7:41 am

Yet it seems Dave, that you’re just a bit reticent to declare your fervent belief in intelligent alien beings clumsily surveilling us for nearly a century, being detected thousands of times, yet not doing so much as to communicate with us on any level. Why do you leave us in the dark about your opinion? At some level do you recognize how absurd it is?

Or is it that “UFOs” means “aliens” in your mind much as “Climate Change” means “manmade climate degradation” in the minds (loosely speaking) of so many?

My view, for what little it is worth, is that there are no alien lifeforms visiting earth—now and probably ever in the past 4.5 billion years that the earth has been around. UFOs are in many cases not even objects, if objects mean something composed of solid matter. They are often optical effects/illusions, and other naturally occurring phenomena that are just not yet understood and thus remain “unidentified”.

However I could be convinced that most of our world leaders have been replaced by alien lizard people. It’s the only logical explanation I can think of!

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rich Davis
May 22, 2021 9:34 am

“Yet it seems Dave, that you’re just a bit reticent to declare your fervent belief in intelligent alien beings clumsily surveilling us for nearly a century, being detected thousands of times, yet not doing so much as to communicate with us on any level. Why do you leave us in the dark about your opinion? At some level do you recognize how absurd it is?”

Well, it wouldn’t be absurd if there really are aliens beings visiting the Earth.

If we assume the aliens are real, then we probably have to assume they are also benign and are not a danger to us, since if they were a danger, and considering their advanced technolgy, we wouldn’t stand a chance against them. So I assume they have no desire to destroy if they have not already done so.

As for “clumsily surveilling”, I think that would be the wrong way to look at it assuming aliens exist and are visiting. A better explanation for their behavior is first, study of the Earth and humans, and second, to get the people of Earth used to the idea that they are not alone in the universe, as a lead-up to Contact. 🙂

The speed of light? What do we know?

Rich Davis
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 23, 2021 4:31 am

Tom, it’s probably true that there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in my philosophy, but benign alien visitors observing us for centuries and letting us glimpse them but never definitely confirm? I remain an ardent skeptic.

Sounds a bit like angels. How many aliens can dance on the head of a pin?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rich Davis
May 25, 2021 3:36 am

I’m a skeptic, too. I was just speculating. I need some evidence.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Dave Stephens
May 22, 2021 9:09 am

“I am sure Russia has developed a nuclear powered flying device that can fly for days or weeks, but I’m also sure that no country on earth – including Russia or China – has developed devices that fly with anything remotely resembling the physically impossible speed and agility possessed by UFOs”

I agree. A Russian nuclear-powered ramjet could not do the things we see UFO’s doing. Has anyone ever seen an exhaust coming from any UFO?

It wasn’t a nuclear-powered ramjet that powered the enormous UFO observed by thousands of people across Arizona and other States. All the observers said the craft made no sound, even though it was as big as a naval ship and passed right over their heads.

William Ward
Reply to  Dave Stephens
May 22, 2021 12:14 pm

“… the physically impossible speed and agility possessed by UFOs…”

This statement and Occam’s Razor should be at the forefront of our thinking.

Possible vs. Impossible. And Logical vs. Illogical.

We see something with our eyes. We see something with instruments (IR, Radar). But what we see usually behaves in a way to suggest little intelligent purpose. The motions of these objects seem random and aimless. If they mimic life, then perhaps the random flight of a gnat. What intelligent goal can we ascribe to such flight paths?

Unless we are witnessing a window into an alternate reality where there are different laws of physics, then we should first go to the idea that what we see has no mass. The accelerations we see could not be survived by any lifeforms we know of, and I doubt we could make a structure that would withstand that, except perhaps a solid. But even in the absence of gravity (assuming an antigravity technology in effect), the acceleration of the mass would require unimaginable energy localized to the object with no evidence of propulsion.

We do observe this kind of behavior with plasmas, which are ionized gasses. Plasma is very mysterious in its behavior & properties. Plasma self-organizes into “tufts” and “plasmoids.” They often take on the following shapes: spherical, oblate, toroidal, and tetrahedron. These would correspond respectively to: Lighted orbs, flying saucers, flying donuts, flying pyramids/triangles. Plasma balls can move, divide into multiples, combine, flash at regular frequencies, disappear & reappear at another location and seem to move at near-instantaneous speeds. If a potential difference exists between the core of the Earth and another body like the Sun, and ions are present (as they are in abundance in space), then currents will flow. They likely flow all of the time, but perhaps under certain conditions they avail themselves when they reach “glow mode.”

We know of phenomena such as earthquake lightning & volcano lightning. There are many effects that are not well studied. There is an increasing body of evidence that electrical phenomena have a much larger role in the universe than we currently believe.

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Tom Abbott
Reply to  William Ward
May 25, 2021 3:39 am

“Unless we are witnessing a window into an alternate reality where there are different laws of physics”

Or, maybe we don’t know all the laws of physics yet. I hear the electron is being re-evaluated.

Jim G
Reply to  Dave Stephens
May 22, 2021 5:10 pm

How many people would have seen a rocket first hand at this time?

BTW, Robert Goddard moved from Mass. to Roswell, NM in 1930.

May 21, 2021 10:24 pm

Never mind what observations have been recorded, what do the UFO models conclude?

Russ R.
Reply to  Mr.
May 22, 2021 7:35 am

The models conclude this is an “existential threat” and will require a tax on all energy use to fund a global “ghostbusters” campaign to protect future generations from “apocalyptic events” which will result in the end of the Earth in 12 years.

Russ R.
Reply to  Russ R.
May 22, 2021 7:44 am

P.S. My models are “programmable” to any scary scenario you like. For a very reasonable fee we can destroy the Earth in Drought, Floods, Fire, Winter Freeze, or Earth Shaking Earthquakes.
Hot or Cold have been focus group tested and do result in greater revenue per capita to avoid “burned alive”, or “frozen in the dark”, scenarios.
Time scales are also readily adjustable, as those pesky “extraterrestials” are on a schedule that can by modified to increase attacks, as needed for election purposes.

Mr. Lee
May 21, 2021 10:35 pm

UFO = Condensation droplets on cameras
or some such thing.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 12:19 am

That would be my assumption, along with reflections in glass or other optical illusions but then there are suggestions that some were recorded on radar.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 6:19 am

As it was considered in the case of the famous;
“Ghost rogue flight”.

Where a considerable amount of radar data lost value and validity and ended up treated as erroneous or defective…
just like that.


Chris Wright
Reply to  Mr. Lee
May 22, 2021 4:00 am

Whatever they are, I’m pretty sure they’re not aliens.
These videos are generally infra red e.g. FLIR cameras and as such can look really weird.
For a bit of common sense, take a look at these videos:
 Anton Petrov https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McVqKmUaaok
And one of several videos by Mick West:

The “aliens” in these cases were almost certainly a weather balloon, a military jet and possibly a commercial passenger jet.
Very likely the Pentagon knows they are normal objects, but, as Petrov mentioned, they are unable to speculate or confirm their analysis due to the security rules. This leaves the field wide open to all kinds of wild speculation. Let’s face it, an alien spacecraft is about a million times more exciting than a weather balloon!

Just like Anton Petrov, when I was at school and college I was very interested in UFOs and read many books on the subject, including the one by Adamski (a complete fake). But I don’t think I ever really believed in the alien hypothesis. Now I’m very sceptical, just as I am about climate change.

All these videos are just blobs in the sky made to look weird by infra red imaging. Many of them show flashing navigation lights. I severely doubt aliens – or Russions – would be careful to switch on their nevigation lights so they could be clearly seen by everyone.

Yes, there have been UFO sightings over the past centuries. The fact that they never, ever came to anything is a bit of a clue. I certainly think that the galaxy may harbour life on huge numbers of planets and that there may indeed be alien civilisations out there in the vastness of the universe. That’s truly a magical thought. But I’m sorry to say that I think all this UFO and ancient alien nonsense says more about the stupidity and gullibility of some human beings than it says about the reality of aliens flying in our skies.

Reply to  Mr. Lee
May 22, 2021 4:05 am

It’s the one’s where they are clearly filming an insect flying at night that amuses me. They think this craft is far away and pulling off incredible physics defying manoeuvrers why in reality it’s simply a bug close to the camera.

Mr. Lee
Reply to  Rusty
May 22, 2021 7:56 am

Remember that John Candy movie, where he is an air traffic controller? They know it’s time for him to take a week off when he mistakes a fly on his screen for a plane. LOL.

oeman 50
Reply to  Mr. Lee
May 22, 2021 8:33 am

Mr. Lee, it is clear you have had a shave with Occam’s razor.

May 21, 2021 10:40 pm

The term alien is surely racist. I am sure that past (it) presidents Carter and Obama meant to refer to interstellar climate immigrant refugees. Alien Justice censors please note. Putin’s checks to Joe will all be canceled, otherwise.

A convenient silly distraction to tne superstitious, Tell Obama and Carter to accept an interview by Larry Elder, for instance. You’d never hear of UFO’s again.

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Reply to  dk_
May 22, 2021 4:23 am

Excellent synopsis and clarification. Instead of worrying about aliens and Russians, we should be more concerned about Dr. Zeke … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqm9-zd-pFk

May 21, 2021 10:44 pm


Where have I heard this before? Oh yes, for the entire Trump presidency. Now I remember.
Flying craft which show off speeds of Mach 20+ and turns at 50+ Gs. Very impressive technology.
1) No other Russian military hardware seems to have benefited in any way.
2) No part of this new technology was ever commercialized.
3) Science and technology so advanced, noybody in the West can even guess how it is done.

Those Russkies are sneaky like this. You have to watch them at all times.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 12:11 am

The one thing I like is how Eric Worrall will hang onto a point of view, no matter how absurd it is shown to be. Eric seems to think that the word “nuclear” imbues any object with mystical abilities.
Um no.
Speed: Mach 20+, way, way beyond anything anybody has ever built. For the US, perhaps mach 7 for hypersonic missiles and re-entry vehicles.
Maneuver: 50+ Gs. Way more than anything anybody knows how to build.

Nuclear power does not change either of these realities.

Try a chant, now really feel it…..
Nuclear, Nuclear, Nuclear!

Oh Drat, no effect. Maybe try again.

Russia has claimed for years to have developed a strange aircraft
A nuclear powered missile and bomber are not strange, The US built and tested them as well, over fifty years ago. If these are the UFOs, I think we would recognize them.

If you want really strange Russian aircraft, I give you the ‘Caspian Sea Monster,’ The Ekranoplan:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lun-class_ekranoplan

Plenty of YouTube videos as well.

AC Osborn
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 1:08 am

Why Russia, why not America?

AC Osborn
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 1:53 am

Nuclear propulsion, which you seem hung up on has absolutely nothing to do with it.

Which country surprised the world with Stealth Technology and Radical designs?

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 1:52 pm

Micheal Kelly’s note about projections is very interesting and can explain the extreme maneuvers.

Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 5:44 am

Ok. If not America, how about the CIA?

George Tetley
Reply to  TonyL
May 22, 2021 2:02 am

Until “the Russians” show that they have developed an anti gravitational system that flies I think that UFO technology is in the hands of little green men

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 1:12 am

And in reality we keep being buzzed by our own obsession with “pink unicorn” hysteria and the “power of the crystals”.

The “Bogey Buggy” for cannibals;
“another, greyer, stelthier, scarier heartless and completely void of empathy cannibal.”
Which actually loves icecream and cold fruit shakes.


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Frank from NoVA
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 5:56 am


In a practical sense, the only use for nuclear weapons is to deter their use by others. Dropping a nuclear reactor, albeit a “small” one, on someone’s population centers would effectively amount to a “first strike”. I don’t see the efficacy of using nuclear cruise missiles – use them initially and invoke a full-blown nuclear exchange or use them after the fact, and then who cares?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Frank from NoVA
May 22, 2021 9:40 am

“In a practical sense, the only use for nuclear weapons is to deter their use by others.”

I agree.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 6:01 am

We’ve been seeing these craft for CENTURIES. They’re in medieval paintings and even described in ancient writings. This isn’t a recent phenomenon.

Rich Davis
Reply to  looncraz
May 22, 2021 8:25 am

I presume that you’re making a case against recently-developed Russian technology? Because it certainly only weakens the case for aliens to argue that they were not even sophisticated enough to hide from medieval primitives.

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  looncraz
May 22, 2021 9:20 am

Chariots of the Gods” by Erich von Daniken?

Released June 1984. Over 7 million copies sold.

Read it way back when – and it’s one of the few books I have ever discarded, along with some T. Lobsang Rampa works. (I read, even ingredient lists on food packages.)

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Tombstone Gabby
May 22, 2021 2:25 pm

“Chariots of the Gods” by Erich von Daniken?

Released June 1984. Over 7 million copies sold.

Read it way back when – and it’s one of the few books I have ever discarded, along with some T. Lobsang Rampa works. (I read, even ingredient lists on food packages.)

I’m pretty sure Chariots was released earlier, I recall reading it in the 70s.

I loved the Lobsang Rampa books too! And Carlos Casdeneda (sp?).

My favourite, though, was Asimov’s complete debunking of every point in Chariots. It was great.

Tombstone Gabby
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
May 22, 2021 11:13 pm

G’day ZZ,

I wasn’t sure of the date either – did a ‘search’ and that was what I came up with. It may have referred to a particular edition.

Asimov and Heinlein – one to teach, one to make you think.

Carlos Casdeneda? Not familiar with. Just added a URL to my “Visit List”.


Komerade Cube
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 23, 2021 2:36 pm

I was abducted by an interstellar climate immigrant refugee named Griff, but he was Chinese not Russian

Reply to  TonyL
May 22, 2021 12:14 am

Yes, indeed. Please continue to pay people like us to watch them! Devilish clever those Russians!

May 21, 2021 10:49 pm

This missle thing shows standard turning, not the rapid reversal of direction of UFOs. I didn’t even mention their cloaking ability.

Add the crop circles, mutilated animals, etc and over 80,000 bits of global evidence compiled by MUFON (of which only a handful have been debunked) and your nothing-but-us theory goes up in smoke.


Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 1:33 am

And were these crop circle makers charged for their crimes?

That’s a lot of destroyed crops.

Perhaps they told the truth to the cops, but a lie for the fools.

Like I said, a few have been debunked, but others not even close.

Take a look at the first picture. You really believe that was made with ropes and boards in the middle of the night? Really?

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 4:10 am

Tell those human crop circle hoaxers it’s not cool to sometimes leave skinned animals in their work.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Zoe Phin
May 22, 2021 8:33 am

Yeah that has to have been aliens. Couldn’t be some crazy cult religion or hoaxers. Let’s go with the simpler answer. (“I’m not saying it was aliens, but it was aliens”)

Maybe the aliens are trying to steal our geothermal heat, eh Zoe?

Reply to  Zoe Phin
May 22, 2021 4:08 am

Yeah, aliens are going to travel across the galaxy to leave pretty patterns in a farmers field.

All crop circles are man-made. In the UK trespass is a civil offence and therefore up to the landowner to prosecute.

Criminal damage can be reported to the police, but how the hell are they going to find the people who do it?

Lastly farmers have made money from charging people to come and see the circles.

Reply to  Rusty
May 22, 2021 4:49 am

Hoaxers don’t leave thermal prints, funny smells, and dead animals.

There’s also glassy sand “circles” in Saudi Arabia, and Sahara.

There’s also mutilated tree tops that also form patterns.

There’s just so much evidence.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Zoe Phin
May 22, 2021 8:35 am

“There’s just so much evidence”That you’re a bot or just an ordinary troll?

Reply to  Rich Davis
May 22, 2021 9:52 am

That you’re rude.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Rusty
May 22, 2021 2:27 pm

In the UK trespass is a civil offence and therefore up to the landowner to prosecute.

In England, not so in Scotland, at least.

And if damage to property is caused, it’s automatically a criminal offence.

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Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
May 22, 2021 4:27 pm

So if I damage your car driving onto your property in Scotland, it’s automatically a criminal offense? IIRC you have to come on a person’s property with the INTENT to commit a crime for your actions to be considered criminal.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Zoe Phin
May 22, 2021 8:27 am

What a SHOCK! The zoebot believes in aliens.

Reply to  Rich Davis
May 22, 2021 9:55 am

You know the story of the murderer that had a separate elaborate explanation for every suspicious item in the trunk of his car?

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 1:45 am

Here is one among dozens of videos you can easily find:


Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 8:08 am

“Crop circles are a hoax, the pranksters confessed in 1991. No doubt lots of copycats since then.”

Yup, was involved in a few myself in the late 70s,
Need a full moon & dry earth, some short scaffold planks with rope bridles, a few thin steel marker posts ~4ft long, a long rope with marker knots, a magnetic compass, a pre-drawn plan & a few people.
Walk into field on short stilts ( so no footprints) + walking poles.
Set up one person as center, take marker rope to first knot, drop board & tow it with rope bridle untill plan-master says stop, repeat until design complete.
A simple design takes about 1 hr complicated 5-6hrs.
Great fun (geometry by moonlight.) !
These days they use smartphones & GPS apps for the wonderful patterns, but the method is still the same.
Still got some of the press cuttings … somewhere !

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Reply to  Zoe Phin
May 22, 2021 8:03 am

animal mutilation … have you ever seen the result of regular ol’ common scavengers?

Skunks, opossums, rats, crows, raccoons, buzzards, coyotes, etc. Those critters don’t have nice cutting tools, they achieve their goals by pulling, ripping and tearing. Forget that David Attenborough read some lurid lines telling you how X scavenger has razor sharp teeth … they don’t, animals have very dull teeth, and use pulling and twisting to dismember their feast. All this thrashing leads to oddly mangled trash piles to be discovered in the morning. And yes, the very soft and thin-skinned hind end is the usual location of first entry to the―very prized highly nutritious and easily digestible―internal organs. Thus leading the uninitiated to believe it sexual mutilation. When in fact, the first arrivers are looking to grab what they can, because they will likely be chased off their feast by more dangerous interlopers arriving soon. Also consider that most predation occurs at birthing, with the predators/scavengers taking the newborn, and follow-ons starting at the bloody bottom end.

May 21, 2021 10:52 pm

This is a distraction to what sleepy Joe is really trying to do be the report comes back we know nothing

Gyan 1
May 21, 2021 10:55 pm

I saw a UFO in 1969 in Southern Oregon. A friend had a kite really high and we were watching it when a metallic disc shaped object came into view. It made no sound and didn’t have the profile of a plane but that’s what we assumed until it came to a stop over the kite. It hovered there silently for about 15 minutes then moved off on a vector, abruptly changed direction 90 degrees and shot out of sight at an unbelievable rate of speed.

I have no idea what that was but doubt it was Russian.

Gyan 1
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 7:49 am

Eagles don’t look remotely like what we saw. They also can’t shoot out of sight in an upward direction at the incredible rate of speed the object displayed.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 8:38 am

Cmon Eric. Didn’t you see Zoe’s comments? It was aliens.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 10:31 am

Not to mention the fact that with no frame of reference you have no idea what the size and location of an object are in an empty sky. Or does the Moon really get smaller as it rises?

Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
May 22, 2021 6:18 pm

There was no way to tell if it was a small object close or a larger one father away. The location was fairly precise because it stopped directly above the kite.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 2:31 pm

I’ve seen Eagles at over 3000ft when flying. Eagles are a serious hazard for light aircraft

As I understand it, they are a problem because they ‘know’ they are invincible up there having never had a predator to deal with, so happily attack planes.

Reply to  Gyan 1
May 21, 2021 11:25 pm

The Spirit of Charlie Brown protecting your kite.

May 21, 2021 11:00 pm

Nuclear powered missiles. It takes less than 2 seconds to realize the ‘Onion’ here…. 🙂

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Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 12:08 am

Not as represented in the video 😉

Farmer Ch E retired
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 5:59 am

In the 80’s when working at Battelle Pacific Northwest Labs at the Hanford nuclear site, reusable nuclear weapons was a topic us youngsters would discuss around the lunch table. Lab legend had it that the US at one time was developing a nuclear-powered rocket that could go into orbit, partially deorbit just enough to raise havoc on the ground with a strong sonic boom, then accelerate back into orbit for use another day. Could this have been related to Project Pluto??

May 21, 2021 11:11 pm

“Well, I saw the thing comin’ out of the sky! It had the one long horn, and the one big eye. I commenced to shakin’ and said ‘Ooh-ee. It looks like a purple people eater to me.”

“Well he went on his way, and then whadya’ know? I saw him last night on a TV show. He was really blowin’ it out, a-really knockin’ them dead. Playin’ rock and roll music through the horn in his head!”

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Mike Dubrasich
May 21, 2021 11:14 pm

There already are so many ridiculous absurdities for sheeple to believe in that this one (space aliens) just seems like overk1ll. The Human Race is getting dumber by the minute. Maybe AOC is accidentally correct: in 10 years we’ll be too dumb to breathe and so go extinct.

May 21, 2021 11:21 pm

Don’t see why real UFO’s or Russian nuke powered drones would topple end over end (to take one example from the article above) as part of their mission. UFO researchers are too credulous I think and have a vested interest in keeping the hype going. I got turned off the whole subject years ago after a couple of different things. The first, that really downgraded my regard for UFO researchers was when I hopefully, expectantly checked out one of the prominent UFO reporting sites and the top report of the day was on a large cigar shaped silvery object — ooo what could it be. The description said it had either a line or dotted line down the length of the object — sounded like a plane fuselage with windows, the viewer just couldn’t make out the tail or wings for whatever reason, like position of the Sun. And that brings up the other thing: some sightings, even recorded at crop circle sites, feature small bright white balls that make tight turns really quick – like the birds at the cemetery, when the Sun is bright and the birds fairly far away, that one doesn’t notice any flapping wings or bird shape. Luckily the bright balls of white light that could make hairpin turns flew closer so that I could see that they were really birds. Its not complete proof but enough for me not to trust any human witness, or the witness of grainy, out-of-focus pictures or video. We live in an electronic fish bowl these days, so I’m waiting for 4k/8k video of these craft. And by the way Russian nuke powered missiles or drones would be huge, noisy, easy heat signature give-aways, etc. And would not be buzzing bored people in the boonies.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 10:24 am

Eric, even if the Russians have a nuclear ramjet, that does not explain how the aircraft can turn on a dime in any direction without tearing itself apart. A nuclear propulsion system does not imbue special powers to the rest of the aircraft.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  PCman999
May 22, 2021 9:50 am

“We live in an electronic fish bowl these days, so I’m waiting for 4k/8k video of these craft.”

Me, too! 🙂

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  PCman999
May 22, 2021 2:36 pm

I’m waiting for 4k/8k video of these craft.

it need a decent lense too.

I have a Sony Camcorder that is probably 15 years old. It takes better video at 1080p than any 4k videos I’ve seen, because it has a Carl Zeiss lense. If the lense is no good, it doesn’t matter how many pixels you have in my experience.

May 21, 2021 11:39 pm

Would a nuke ram jet leave a radiation trial that could be detected?

Reply to  nickc
May 22, 2021 12:22 am

If by “detected” you mean “kill everybody under the flight path”, then yes, it could be detected.
The nuke ram jet was so horribly dirty radioactive that the US never pursued the project.
Even at the height of the Cold War, the Soviets came to the same conclusion. Such a weapon would leave just too much radiation in its wake to be a useful weapon.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 1:01 am

The detonation was 18,500 feet above them. The resultant cloud was so hot it did not have a portion that immediately sank down to their “ground zero” stance.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 2:32 am

That’s an exaggeration Tony.”
But not as much as we might think. Allow me to amplify.
A standard nuclear reactor:
The base setup is –
a) The reactor itself
b) The primary cooling loop
c) The secondary cooling loop
The reactor and the primary cooling loop are one sealed system, confining all radioactive species within.
There is a heat exchanger between the primary and secondary cooling loops. The secondary loop picks up the heat and is used as the working fluid for the turbine. Thus the system allows for all the radioactive reaction products to be contained and kept isolated.

The Ramjet configuration:
a) The reactor.
Both cooling systems are dispensed with.
Airflow goes from the jet air intake directly through the reactor core. This airflow is used as both the reactor primary cooling and the jet working fluid.
This is where trouble starts.
Because of design constraints, there is little, or no, fuel cladding. (!)
The airflow impinges directly of the fuel at high speed and high temperature.
High speed means multiple mach numbers, shock waves and all.
High temperature means just as hot as they could make it without melting everything.
The possibility of eroding fuel and fission products into the jet exhaust is now clear.
My understanding of the system is that the exhaust had the entire witches brew isotopes you get from U or U/Pu fission. Perhaps not a whole lot in terms of grams or kilograms, but with this isotope mix you do not need a lot to make a big mess. In short, it was not the alpha, beta, gamma from the reactor, it was the fission products and daughter and decay products getting into the jet exhaust that was the real problem.

Reply to  TonyL
May 22, 2021 4:43 pm

We used to launch balloons into the stratosphere after soviet nuclear missile tests in order to detect and analyze the airborne radiation. If the Russians are flying secret nuclear powered aircraft we would surely have detected its radioactive signature. 60 years ago they experimented with the idea of a nuclear bomber, but built only one prototype—tested mostly with the reactor not powered up—and concluded it was impractical AND a serious danger to the environment in case of a crash, something that happened quite frequently with Soviet aircraft.


May 22, 2021 12:14 am

These UAP sightings are reported to make maneuvers that accelerate to 100000 MPH and are pulling g forces that would be impossible for any known aviation structural concepts to survive. Further more the atmospheric shockwaves generated by such maneuvers would be detected by the observers that have witnessed these events.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 7:12 am

I saw a black triangle when I was a teenager back in the early 80’s and it appeared to be very large and made a 45 degree turn almost instantly. And in 2013 saw several of the cube within a sphere objects in the Houston area over the course of 2 weeks. Around that period there were reports all over Texas of these phenomena generally reported as orange orbs. Whatever they are they do not seem like machines that could be built by humanity, unless they are time travelers from the future. It was very frustrating then not knowing what they are, and even more frustrating that the military is essentially saying the same thing. And the DHS incidence in Puerto Rico tracking one that apparently entered the water traveling at 100 MPH with no noticeable disruption on the surface indicates that this technology is beyond comprehension without some manipulation of matter at the quantum level. When you put all of these characteristics on the board, it seems impossible to explain them with known Newtonian or Relativistic physics.

William Ward
Reply to  LT3
May 22, 2021 9:16 pm

The more reasonable explanation is that we are not observing something with mass. We are observing plasma. It explains the lights, the shapes, the movement, the lack of sonic booms or disturbance of water, intermittent acquisition by instruments, impossible acceleration, “teleporting”, disappearing, reappearing, combining, dividing, etc.

Every aspect of what is described in the UAPs is what we see in the plasma lab, and it’s reasonable to speculate this can happen naturally outside of the lab. As I posted higher up in the discussion, the US Military is trying to exploit the phenomenon to defeat IR homing missiles.

Reply to  William Ward
May 23, 2021 6:55 am

It would seem that a natural phenomena would not approach aircraft and match speed and heading as many reported sightings from pilots throughout the last several decades. A pyramid hovering 700 feet over a naval vessel does not sound like a natural phenomena unless there is a coordinated act of deception by the military. Whatever this is it has been going on for a long time and it appears to be monitoring us with impunity and in all countries, I would really like it to be a natural phenomena but the cause of such natural events is equally as baffling.

The link below is a thorough examination of an encounter done by someone who took a more scientific approach of analyzing the data and even though I am not a physics major and cannot comment on his theory of what it would take to produce such technology, I commend the effort, at least from a scientific analysis approach.

UAP Theory | How Do UFOs Fly & Work?

William Ward
Reply to  LT3
May 23, 2021 3:55 pm

Actually, what you describe is exactly what would be expected from plasma phenomena. The reason is that the observer’s aircraft becomes part of the circuit. The plasma might transition to glow mode (making it visible) due to the presence of the aircraft changing the impedance of the circuit. Hot jet exhaust provides an environment for plasma to become visible. The apparent tracking/mirroring of maneuvers are simply an indication that the phenomena (visible plasma) are influenced by the observing aircraft. It’s not an indicator that an intelligent and curious lifeform is directing the “craft.”

All of the evidence suggests that what we observe does not have mass. It’s very tempting to assume something intelligent is behind it, but there are simpler explanations that don’t require us to violate the laws of physics or go deep into theoretical physics.

I think there are still exciting things to discover – such as the role plasma plays in our world – but I don’t think we will find proof of intelligent life visiting Earth from another planet, or a secret race that lives inside the Earth. I’m not belittling that idea, as it would be cool, but I think what we observe has more mundane explanations.

William Ward
Reply to  William Ward
May 23, 2021 4:07 pm

If you are old enough to have had TVs with rabbit ears, you can relate to this example. It was a common experience that bad reception could be improved by touching one of the antennas. Or simply moving position on the sofa or in the room. If you stood up the picture would improve but as soon as you sat down the picture would degrade. This happens because the person is a part of the circuit. They are changing the impedance or reflecting the waves in a way that is reflected in picture quality. It might be tempting to think there was an intelligent being inside of the TV that had a laugh when every time you sat down to watch your show it would make the picture go bad. Then when you got up to fix it the picture would improve. We know it wasn’t an alien inside of the TV pranking us, but the picture quality could certainly mirror our actions.

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Reply to  William Ward
May 24, 2021 8:39 am

Yes I definitely have lived through analog television and the problems associated with reception, but was well aware of the interference associated with people standing in the wrong place. And in the 4th grade I was well aware of electromagnetic wave propagation, but what I have witnessed in my observation of these phenomena cast doubt on them being plasma phenomena. Plasma phenomena should not have a glowing sphere with an object in the center, nor should they give you a strange feeling to be compelled to get up from the couch and go outside and look up to see one hovering above. I have been viewing the skies my entire life but have never seen anything like until my late 40’s. If this was a natural phenomena it should not taken this long to see one before. To me they appeared to be some type of machine that is way beyond our engineering abilities. I always wrote these reported sightings off as some type of natural phenomena until I observed them and now I can no longer assume they are natural, especially after a naval aviator described a cube within a sphere nearly colliding with him and his wing man. These guys are the best of the best and when they describe something that I have seen ( a cube within a sphere) I cannot accept that this is a ball of plasma. I understand your skepticism, I once thought as you did, but then realized that is not very scientific when you take everything into account. Sorry, plasma balls cannot explain the characteristics that have been reported as far as what I and others have observed. These things are machines and they are not built by humanity, angels or aliens I do not know, but they are not human and not plasma balls.

William Ward
Reply to  LT3
May 24, 2021 3:23 pm

You should look into what plasma does in the lab. We may be observing machines, but the fact that they defy physics says they have no mass. If it were an intelligently controlled craft then why would it nearly collide with another craft? What intelligent purpose can we ascribe to the bizarre flight paths? I think all possibilities should be explored, so I don’t think we are at odds.

Reply to  William Ward
May 24, 2021 5:22 pm

William, you are grasping for straws here with this explanation, plasma balls cannot spontaneously form at normal atmospheric pressures without a considerable amount of energy, such as a bolt of lighting, and when they do happen to show themselves they dissipate very rapidly. They do not and cannot accelerate to 100K MPH, nor can they descend from 80,0000 feet to sea level in one second. You may as well be chanting weather balloons and Venus as an explanation. These things apparently travel in some kind of disruption field and leap from one point to the next by manipulating normal space with some type of disruption field or they are simply illusions. There is no way anything we know of including plasma balls that can achieve these velocities in the atmosphere without causing disruptive shockwaves. You really should look at this analysis, since it matches frame by frame observations with theory.

How could a plasma ball travel 100 MPH underwater and emerge?

UAP Theory | How Do UFOs Fly & Work?

May 22, 2021 12:43 am

They want to believe

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 3:00 am

You have it all wrong Eric, the manoeuvrability and speed of these craft are beyond Russian ingenuity.

Faster than the speed of sound, but no boom.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  ironicman
May 22, 2021 4:55 am

Or maybe just faster than a speeding bullet, more powerful than a locomotive, able to leap tall buildings in a single bound, look, up in the sky, it’s a bird, it’s a plane, it’s Superman….oops, memories from my childhood.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Tom in Florida
May 22, 2021 5:31 am

Reply to  Tom in Florida
May 23, 2021 12:30 am

So how do they avoid making a boom when breaking the sound barrier?

Joel O’Bryan
May 22, 2021 12:51 am

Beware the Cookbook.

Reply to  Joel O’Bryan
May 22, 2021 2:34 am

To Serve Man, indeed.

May 22, 2021 1:03 am

I’m pretty sure life on other planets must have existed at some point.

The chances of their technology being able to cover the vast distances at exactly the moment we are able to make sense of the encounter are so remote as to be impossible, so I dismiss any UFO as being evidence of alien life.

I’m also pretty damn sure if Russia or China or whoever had the capability to send missiles or aircraft over US territory we would already know about them.

Do UFOs exist?

Probably, I don’t know.

A UFO is exactly what it says on the tin, unidentified or at least until we figure it out and put to bed implausible ideas such as this one.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 1:23 am

Would the ramjet be detectable?

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 2:40 am

With respect, Eric, in my opinion, the chances of Russia or China producing such a weapon and keeping it secret are, for all intents and purposes, zero.

Any sightings of UFOs are likely to be something we just don’t have an explanation for yet.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 4:40 am

People believe Russia’s evidence of UFOs. It goes back decades!

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 2:07 pm

Any nuclear ramjet in flight would be detected by IR surveillance satellites. They haven’t been, or it’s not being talked about.

May 22, 2021 1:29 am

And from the Bible:

Zechariah 5:1

“Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll. And he said unto me, What seest thou? And I answered, I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.”

Reply to  David
May 22, 2021 6:11 am

This was a vision given to Zechariah. If my memory’s correct, visions in the Bible are only given to one person — no one else sees them at the same time. This is because the vision, with its interpretation, is part of a message given to a prophet; the message is intended to be given to a specific person, group, or nation.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  David
May 22, 2021 2:39 pm

What sort of roll? Ham and cheese?

May 22, 2021 1:37 am

Eric, have you seen this patent for an inertialess drive?
Such a craft would explain all the characteristics of the craft in the videos.

Craft using an inertial mass reduction device

Anyway, I’m suspicious of UFO stories surfacing from the Democrat-controlled Pentagon and radical-left types such as Barack Obama.

Whether or not UFOs represent an alien threat we have no way of knowing, but you can bet that with the covid and climate scares fading so rapidly UFOs will be the next big left-wing scare story.

As journalist Henry Mencken said, “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.”

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 3:52 pm

Thanks for the reply, Eric.
What if it did work out?
Would they announce that?
Or would they say it didn’t work out in order to maintain the military advantage?
Being largely insulated from inertia would explain how a human pilot could survive the g-forces the craft demonstrate.

Reply to  Cardimona
May 22, 2021 2:37 am

Whether or not UFOs represent an alien threat we have no way of knowing

They are friendly.
If they were a threat, we would have found out by now.

Alan the Brit
Reply to  TonyL
May 22, 2021 4:52 am

I suspect they could be Thrargons from the planet Thragos, they roam the galaxy looking for other races to inflict gratuitous sex & violence upon in an orgy of debauchery & depravity, & that’s just the females!!!!! 😉

May 22, 2021 1:39 am

we have videos of tons of meaningless stuff since most people have phones on them at all times…. yet, practically all the videos are grainy, out of focus, in noisy black and white pixelations, panning too fast to make it impossible to tell what’s happening… basically, enough to wet the appetites of the believers but not enough to satisfy the doubters.

For years, thegovt denied their existance and now suddenly they prophesied from the mountain rops that they’re totally real? The same government that’s lied to you countless times on everything from yesteryears secret projects and missions and testing on military personnel without their knowledge, to todays covid19 lies/maskerade, can’t define man/woman, temperature adjustments, and hiding the1930s droughts and heat waves?

Open your eyes and ears peeps… this is very likely a smokescreen for something else – I don’t know what it is but something is not right with their sudden change of heart on the alien story. And like the covid19 lies and half truths, many will believe in aliens without hesitation… however, many of these same peeps do not believe in Jesus who actually walked the Earth 2K yrs ago and was killed by the powers that be for upsetting the apple cart (amongst the miracles and being the Lamb of God).

May 22, 2021 2:05 am

Is Mr. Worrall hoping for a ¨Gulf of Tonkin¨ to start a jolly little war, because ¨sources¨ say Russian nuclear drones fired on a helpless aircraft carrier, perhaps the shiny new Royal Navy QE2 on its way to the south China Sea?


Problem is, an asymmetric response paints cross hairs on London …. Pray tell U.K. subjects about that!

Mr Julian Forbes-Laird
May 22, 2021 2:24 am

Quite simply the most stupid article I’ve read in five years on WUWT. If the author had bothered to read into the material of, for example, the Nimitz Tic-Tac sighting, he might have paused to ask whether it’s even remotely possible that the Russians have vehicles capable of hypersonic speed without a) being aerodynamic and b) generating sonic shockwaves. Yes, the Russki have increasingly interesting miltech, but no, they have yet to engineer their way passed known physics. Conversely, if folks from out of town have got themselves here, then issues of mere physics (within our infantile understanding of same) are clearly not too much of a problem.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 4:39 am

The link to the video goes to the front page – must be (e)x-files 🤣

Mr Julian Forbes-Laird
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 9:47 am

Worth reading the account of the navy pilots which goes some way to explaining why the Nimitz Tic-Tac sighting is so difficult to dismiss.

Reply to  Mr Julian Forbes-Laird
May 22, 2021 4:15 am

metabunk did a write up of these sightings. The images don’t show a vehicle travelling at huge speed, it’s the sensor on the aircraft changing direction and switching from mode to mode that creates the impression.

Human beings are not very good at interpreting such images. Get your phone and start taking video of something you’ve zoomed in on and then start moving the camera. The thing you are focussed on will appear to move very quickly in the resultant video.

J. C.
Reply to  Rusty
May 22, 2021 8:55 am

The F18 jets were sent there to investigate because of radar contact by navy ships. The jets were flying fast. The object also fast and then very fast as it shot out of the picture. Explain how that fits your weak idea.

Reply to  J. C.
May 22, 2021 5:08 pm

Have you considered that it was close and flying in the opposite direction? The Petrov video cited above gives strong evidence that the tiny white object was a weather balloon, filled helium, which gets very cold up high and thus shows white on an IR image.

Mr Julian Forbes-Laird
Reply to  Rusty
May 22, 2021 9:49 am

Sorry, which sightings are you referring to? If it’s the Nimitz Tic-Tac then you appear to be saying that the US navy pilots involved are lying. If so, you merit the “Anglo-Saxon rebuff”.

Reply to  Rusty
May 23, 2021 7:57 am

This analysis casts much doubt on the metabunk narrative, being that it was observed by a DHS prop plane, an airport control tower as well as observers on the ground simultaneously, by means of optical, radar and infrared observation. I mean being skeptical is warranted as I once was, but this is just too much data to dispute this event as being anything but tech that is beyond this world. It would seem anything capable of these characteristics could navigate the galaxy with ease.

UAP Theory | How Do UFOs Fly & Work?

Mark - Helsinki
May 22, 2021 2:33 am

Any chance these are projected objects that somehow can be read by radar as solid objects?

If these unidentified things do things they physically should not be able to, possible they are not real solid objects, but appear so to radar and maybe even picked up by IR?

That kind of tech I would imagine is some kind of advanced holographic tech test maybe?

To be able to project craft and objects that read as real into a battlefield against an enemy would be a hell of a capability. Some black budget project like that, the US Navy would be the perfect live test.

The “Aliens” narrative is weird. There is nothing to suggest it’s alien craft except claims of these alleged objects doing things we can’t figure out (but that only applies to actual real solid objects, what is they are not)

To me that makes more sense than such alien encounters with a caveat, the “UFOs” would conceivably be drone probes that survey, that could explain their behaviour at least with the destroyer encounter and many other claimed instances

Mr Julian Forbes-Laird
May 22, 2021 2:47 am

A second comment from me on this. It’s being reported that the coming Pentagon report includes satellite captured imagery/ data of UAP. Hopefully it will also include comment on the remarkable footage recorded by an external camera on space shuttle mission STS48, which shows utterly impossible (in our terms) performance in response to what looks disturbingly like an exo-atmospheric missile shot at the vehicle concerned. Sounds crazy, right? Search up the video, it’s not hard to find.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mr Julian Forbes-Laird
May 22, 2021 10:03 am

A guest on Tucker Carlson’s show the other day said the government had recovered “exotic materials” from UFO’s. I wonder if any of that will be made available or even mentioned by the Pentagon?

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Tom Abbott
May 22, 2021 2:43 pm

A guest on Tucker Carlson’s show the other day said the government had recovered “exotic materials” from UFO’s.

And I bet that guest had been smoking these ‘exotic materials’

Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
May 22, 2021 5:21 pm

Tucker seems pretty credulous on this topic. For some reason he doesn’t ask for EVIDENCE to back up the claims, which he would do if dealing with a political topic. WHAT “exotic materials”? From where? Who has them?
Why would the government be hiding those materials and at the same time revealing the Navy videos?

IIRC that same guest claimed that the material included “unknown elements”. Say what? Just what part of the Periodic Table is filled with gaps? And don’t point to isotopes, as isotopes of an element have the same chemical properties as the most abundant version.

And while I’m at it, we need to mention hoaxes, like the purported autopsy of an alien laid out on a table, Supposedly from the 1940’s—-except the phone on the wall has a coiled cable, something not adopted until the 1960’s.

May 22, 2021 3:16 am

Anyone ever heard of the Fermi Paradox? Where are they?
If indeed some other civilization did in fact turn up here, it would take about 42 minutes to be part of that civilization. Conversely we will eventually move out and about with a population of trillions, increasing by numbers that would make today’s ground-hugger Malthusians whimper.
Greta has got is all mixed up.

May 22, 2021 3:44 am

Of couse any proper cynic won’t be just asking ‘Is this stuff real?’ but will also be asking ‘why are we being told this, and why now?’

I invite hypotheses below….

Mr Julian Forbes-Laird
Reply to  Leo Smith
May 22, 2021 9:51 am

This is the key question: why now? To which the only answer that makes even a shred of sense to me, is that for whatever reason they can’t put it off any longer.

Abolition Man
May 22, 2021 3:54 am

One minor point that seems to get overlooked is the heat signature. A nuclear ram engine would leave an infrared wake a mile wide, while most of the reported military aviation sightings show NO detectable heat or propulsion system!
The Russkys may have what you say, but it doesn’t match up with the videos that have been released so far. Any other explanation?

J. C.
Reply to  Abolition Man
May 22, 2021 9:17 am

Also the navy video has temperature readings. The object was much colder than the air surrounding it.

May 22, 2021 3:56 am

Why do aliens travel interstellar distances, which require incredible technology, only to make crop circles, abduct and probe rednecks, mutilate cattle and then allow their spaceships to appear over Sidcup in a grainy, shaky video?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rusty
May 25, 2021 3:51 am

What if the people of Earth suddenly discovered how to travel to other stars in a short period of time and we discovered a planet with intelligent life? I can imagine all sorts of people buying themselves spaceships and then traveling to the inhabited planet for all the reasons human beings would do that.

It probably would not be a smooth operation unless some central authority prevented rogue humans from landing on the planet.

Societies evolve. Maybe the aliens are waiting for a certain stage of development before making contact.

Take this all as speculation, since we don’t know if there really are alien civilizations or not. But if there are, what if?

James Walter
May 22, 2021 4:17 am

In 1956, Winston Harper Bostick demonstrated that an amorphous mass of high-velocity plasma has a natural ability to convert a large proportion of its kinetic energy into magnetic energy, contained in an organised toroidal structure. He called this structure a ‘plasmoid’.

Archaeologist and Thunderbolts colleague Peter Mungo Jupp details the criteria of eyewitness accounts that some UFO sightings may in fact be plasmoids. They seem to possess an intelligence, rise and fall to the ground as though being flown, seem to fly in the direction of either magnetic pole, change shape, pulse, and can blink with multiple colours. This ubiquitous property of plasmoids is often recorded as UFO sightings.

Joseph Zorzin
May 22, 2021 4:30 am

Some videos on this subject


Now, for my UFO story. I was driving on the Taconic Parkway, a dark, rural road- north of NYC. My friend said, “hey, look at that” as he pointed up – but I couldn’t see it from my window so I pulled over. We looked up and I saw a pattern of lights that at first I thought might be a V formation of planes- maybe fighter jets. But, I heard no sound. The pattern of lights was very large- if it was a single object it was either very low or very large. It slowly flew across the sky and out of site. The fact that it made no noise at all is what struck me as weird. I suppose it could have been a huge balloon but why would it have all those lights. I then forgot about it until a decade or so later when I was looking at a row of UFO books in a local library and found one that described similar sightings in the same area (not far from Poughkeepsie, NY). The book said a military base is in that area- and that many local people including a police chief and some military people saw a triangular shaped object- at night and during the day. I’m sure that what I saw must have been the same thing. Otherwise, I’ve worked outdoors for almost 50 years and have never seen anything weird out in the forests- no UFOs, no bigfoot, etc. I often look up as I walk through fields and forests and see planes passing by- I should think I would have seen a UFO during the day in all that time.

May 22, 2021 4:32 am
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May 22, 2021 4:39 am

Declassified Pentagon “UFO” videos:

May 22, 2021 5:07 am

Has anyone noticed that the thermal images of the UFO’s/UAP’s are always deliberately degraded?

Simon Derricutt
May 22, 2021 5:12 am

Eric – there was recently a discussion on Chiefio on this subject. See https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2021/03/26/tic-tacs-quantum-drives-usaf-vs-navy-em-vs-inertia/ if you’re interested. There is academic work going on to find ways of making a non-reactive drive work, and even using text-book classical physics it can be seen that the light-speed delay between the force being put into an EM field and the time it can affect the object means that momentum is not conserved when a wave is used to transfer forces between objects. Thus if you have enough power, a non-reactive drive is certainly possible without delving into quantum mechanics.

There are many standard explanations around for what has been witnessed. Venus, weather-balloons, atmospheric inversions, hallucinations (drug-induced or simply crazy), ball-lightning, stress-generated electricity in the Earth causing plasma balls to appear, and of course simple fraud. For a long time, having read the accounts of such encounters and finding them unbelievable, much the same as you I discounted them. However, some of them remain unexplainable using the standard physics we know, and the witnesses are such that there would need to be a very good reason to say they were mistaken or were fooled. However, there’s no evidence that such things are alien, and the more-likely explanation is that it’s military tech. A bit further down here there’s a reference to the Païs patents, from the US Navy, which seem to me to be non-workable as such but have some bits that could well be real based on Mike McCulloch’s QI theory. One thing those patents tell us is that the military are at least thinking about this level of science, even if they haven’t actually made and tested what’s in the patents. I’ll not add any more links here to the research, since it would take a fair number and I put them all on Chiefio’s blog.

Dismissing these things as impossible in theory is actually based on belief rather than science. Better maybe to look at the evidence, chuck out the ones that purport to tell you how they work (since if they were true somebody would have tried it out and shown it to work if it worked), and winnow the evidence down to the ones where the witnesses are sound and where there is other backup (radar or video) that can be checked.

The current status of non-reactive drives is a few mN per kW for EMDrive (NASA and some Chinese tests), around 100mN/kW for Richard Banduric, and around 100N/kW for Frank Becker (though so far only with a few mW of power used). You’ll find Frank’s data on Mike McCulloch’s blog, and also that the experimental results match (within error-bars) the theoretical predictions. This QI-based drive would also allow the high-g manoeuvres witnessed, since the effective force acts equally on the craft and what’s inside the craft. Also maybe worth mentioning that Mike got a DARPA grant of $1.3M to progress his research, so his theory is obviously not officially regarded as being too far along the crazy scale. This is actually a pretty small amount relative to the benefits if the theory is shown to be near-enough the truth to make those reactionless drives deliver actually a useful thrust, as appears to be the case with Frank Becker’s tests.

May 22, 2021 5:13 am

t little green men chose now to cross the gulf of interstellar space, in order to behave like juvenile delinquents, scaring the locals with a few close encounters.”

No no, they have come to save us from the evil CO2!

May 22, 2021 5:14 am

Congratulations, Vlad, you have successfully (???) copied a program the US abandoned in 1964 !!
It was called the “Crowbar” because it ws so comparably simple.
Literally a flying Chernobyl with (multiple) nuclear bombs.

Richard Page
Reply to  AWM
May 22, 2021 6:06 am

Was that the one that was supposed to get into orbit by detonating a series of atomic bombs under a massive shield and riding the reaction?

Reply to  Richard Page
May 22, 2021 8:37 am

Project Orion. Another “brilliant idea.”
From Wiki.
Project Orion was the first serious attempt to design a nuclear pulse rocket. The design effort was carried out at General Atomics in the late 1950s and early 1960s. The idea of Orion was to react small directional nuclear explosives utilizing a variant of the Teller–Ulam two-stage bomb design against a large steel pusher plate attached to the spacecraft with shock absorbers. 

May 22, 2021 5:36 am

The very first description of an UFO was that from Ezekiel in the Bible.
The descripton was very detailled so that Josef F. Blumerich, an NASA engenieer was able to reconstruct it, beginning with the wheels, he got as US3789947A OMNIDIRECTIONAL WHEEL
His intention was, to refute the idea of the Swiss author E.v. Daeniken of extraterrestrial visits in historical times, where Ezekiel was named as proof.
Blumerich later wrote, this try of refute was his greatest disater, published as The Spaceships of Ezekiel

Hans Herbert Beier. a German engenieer was curious about the measurements Ezekiel has taken from the palace, he found they where very exact and so he was able te reconstruct the palace Ezekiel measured:

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More than interesting is, the Blumerich flying object and the Beier Palace had common measurements, so that the palace could be seen as a maintainance building for that object.

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Scott snell
May 22, 2021 5:48 am

NFW does Russia or China, or any other pretend global power, have technology so advanced that it makes a cruise missile look like a sharpened stick. I don’t know who’s behind this explosion of sightings, but it’s not these guys or any other we are familiar with. Period.

May 22, 2021 5:56 am

Belgian UFO wave 1989

Kevin kilty
May 22, 2021 6:00 am

I had a look at those videos from the 60 Minutes segment posted to YouTube, and the black object over the waves seen from the U.S.S. Omaha, but they are all disappointing. Seventy plus years after the initial UFO hysteria with all the new technology in radar, imaging and digital processing and what evidence I see is no better than the fuzzy, inconclusive photos I saw as a child.

May 22, 2021 6:03 am

Aliens don’t exist. UFOs remain unidentified until they’re identified then they’re no longer UFOs. So who cares? Can we get back to science. And anyone here who thinks aliens exist in our World is deliberately ignoring infinite time and event probability. The probability is so small it’s impossible to calculate.

Alan in Kansas
Reply to  Warren
May 22, 2021 4:15 pm

A Culture-wide Hallucination?
As US space probes in the 60s began to closely examine the planets, it became clear that, beyond the Earth, there was no place for life in our solar system. The universe beyond is an even more vast empty hostile place.

This sense that one is truly isolated can be disturbing. An individual held in isolation often experiences hallucinations. Maybe the obsession with UFOs is a kind of culture-wide hallucination. The belief that UFOs are contacts from alien intelligence is wishful thinking. For many it is just too terrible to contemplate the reality that we are profoundly alone.

May 22, 2021 6:03 am

As Isaac Asimov said, even low probability events can happen.

SOMEthing certainly is being observed by the military and others, and it’s not just grainy video or optical illusions or Russian or Chinese technology…

Space aliens or not, the unexplained and currently unexplainable phenomena deserve investigation and transparency.

Just because some government types may want to use this as a distraction or another power grab doesn’t vitiate the facts about what pilots/others have seen.

Major Non Sequitur Fallacy. 

I expect better logic, rationality, and critical thinking from visitors to this site. As Ayn Rand said, a person shouldn’t have an “open” mind but should have an ACTIVE mind. That includes NOT being snidely, condescendingly dismissive of credible evidence that doesn’t conform to your prejudices.

Kevin kilty
May 22, 2021 6:22 am

If we discount all the obvious fakery involved in UFO “evidence”. Everything else to this point has good explanation, or at least alternative explanation.

Nearly all daytime observations of UFOs are the unexpected observation of the planet Venus. Last Autumn I launched a 1200g latex balloon on a bright clear morning and about half the gathered audience lost sight of the actual balloon and were fixated on Venus.

Night time observations of lights in the sky? Superior mirages. Looks like a super Walmart in the sky? It is a superior mirage.

People wandering and disoriented on a dark night seeing the blinking red light on a water tower through the trees? Oh, a UFO, of course.

Roswell? Oh, please. That is a convolution of memories of two events separated by 13 years.

And the dark object seen on the image from the USS Omaha? I noticed the dark blob isn’t pixelated like the rest of the scene. It looks like an artifact of the imaging system or digital algorithms.

I won’t believe that “UFO” means “alien craft” until they let me sit in the engineer’s seat at least.

Reply to  Kevin kilty
May 22, 2021 10:13 am

Not all sightings take place at night or when looking up at the sky. There is, for example, the widely known report of Cmdr. David Fravor, who witnessed a UFO flying relatively low over the ocean while leading a training mission in broad daylight on a clear day.

In that case, there were 2 fighter jets, each one containing 2 people, and all 4 people witnessed the incident with their own eyes, as well as on their onboard systems. Some of the grainy footage of the “tic-tac” comes from that incident, and you can easily find video on YouTube of Fravor and/or the pilot of the second plane discussing the encounter in detail. The grainy footage, incidentally, is but a small portion of what was recorded, according to Fravor, since the more advanced instrument measurements are withheld from release to avoid revealing our fighter jet technology.

May 22, 2021 6:28 am

Nice. You been taking click-bait lessons, Eric?

May 22, 2021 6:30 am

So what was causing the foo fighters during WW2 over Europe and the Pacific? What was flying over Washington DC in 1952? The fact is that object able to fly at supersonic speed without creating sonic booms has been observed for over 70 years. Probably not caused by the Soviet Union or Russia. If this recent observations were caused by objects created by Russia then that would create big alarms within Pentagon.

Thomas Gasloli
May 22, 2021 6:35 am

That the government is producing this report indicates that the US is a senile empire in irreversible decline. The population is totally unserious; no science just science fiction.

Walter Sobchak
May 22, 2021 7:05 am

“Calm Down, Everyone: The ‘UFOs’ Aren’t Aliens” By Andrew Follett | May 21, 2021

Rob Marter
May 22, 2021 7:08 am

Except there is no exhaust heat signature visible for these recent sightings. And the change of directions and hovering aspect don’t comport with missile technology. And the trans medium aspect with the water entry. None of this fits with Russian technology.

May 22, 2021 7:24 am

But maybe its easier to believe in aliens, than to face the idea that Russia may have developed a key military capability that the USA currently cannot match.

Extremally unlikely. Russians possessing completely unknown technology and conducting regular missions using nuclear-powered drones in the airspace of the hostile country, like the Americans with the U2 flights over the Soviet Union? Unlikely. And risking war if such devices crash in the densely populated areas causing nuclear contamination? Even less likely. Event Powers was eventually shot down with his U2. And what CIA is doing here plus host of military intelligence agencies? No intel at all? Hopefully CIA and DIA haven’t forgotten old schools of planting spies in the foreign military and government.

When I saw those videos first time my impression was it is malfunction of IF sensors, i.e. no external object was actually captured. Explaining correlation with radar signals would be more difficult. Even harder in cases when group of pilots had visual contact with those objects plus confirmation from onboard sensors. So, after all, there may be some kind of external object or phenomena. But – that’s not Russians.

peter schell
May 22, 2021 7:34 am

If the Russian’s can do this, why are they not applying it to their space program? Seems like it would get an unmanned craft to mars in record time. Big propaganda coup if they can go zipping all over the solar system while all other countries have to plod along.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  peter schell
May 22, 2021 2:49 pm

The proposed nuclear powered flight that the Russians claim to have created uses air as the propulsion mechanism. That won’t work in space. It has been suggested to use actual nuclear explosions to propel a spacecraft, but never tried.

May 22, 2021 8:20 am

If they are aliens from way out there, best not to piss them off. Sending Voyager with an invitation showing Earth’s location may not have been the brightest idea. A better one would have been to collect as much info as possible and remain anonymous.

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  Olen
May 22, 2021 2:53 pm

That’s the ‘quiet forest’ theory. Keep quiet or something with find and kill you.

I read an interesting book about that idea. A guy sent out a signal, identifying the location of the source. He spoofed the location, however. A number of years later, that location was destroyed, probably by an enormously fast large object hitting the star.

From timings, he identified how far away the threat was.

The moral is, keep quiet!

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Olen
May 22, 2021 2:58 pm

Sending Voyager with an invitation showing Earth’s location may not have been the brightest idea.”

Voyager has not even left the defined boundaries of our solar system’s gravitational bound objects. According to Wikipedia, as of April 24, 2021, Voyager was 152.6 AU (22.8 billion km) from Earth. That’s beyond the Kuiper belt but not even 10% of the distance to the start of the Oort cloud surrounding the solar system.

The distance to the nearest star excluding the Sun, Proxima Centauri, is 268,770 AU (40,208 billion km). Thus, Voyager is about 0.057% of the distance to the nearest solar system.

Finding Voyager in the vastness of space would make finding a needle in a haystack look like child’s play.

Ray in SC
Reply to  Olen
May 22, 2021 4:52 pm

Voyager has barely left the solar system so it would be no problem for an alien to discern its origin even without the ‘map’. Of course, I would suggest that even if aliens try to read the map it would be undecipherable since it is a 2D representation of our position in 3D space relative to certain quasars.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Ray in SC
May 22, 2021 8:11 pm


And you know the skills of aliens from . . .

May 22, 2021 8:42 am

Maybe we can use the engines from that downed UFO in Roswell to catch up with the Russians?

They need to un-classify all of the Area 51/ Roswell stuff and use the alien technology to close the gap. Imagine if the Ancient Romans discovered an Abrams Tank or something as simple as the printing press, they would have survived for another 1000 years and might have been around today!!!

The Russians might have the advantage today, but we have the alien technology to make mince meat of them !!! /s (lol)

May 22, 2021 8:55 am

Okay, okay, okay – they are NOT space aliens, they are NOT Russian thingies with experimental engines, they are NOT exterrestrial in origin. Get a copy of Paul Devereux’s “Earth Lights Revelation”, which he wrote after many, many, many hours of investigation into the subject of UFOS.
Whatever they are, they are part of this planet, and NOT SPACE ALIENS. Okay?????
If you really think no currently-living organism can do maneuvers like those UFO thingies can do, then you have NEVER EVER seen swallows divebombing insects over a pond and pulling out of the dive in a sharp upward-bound U-turn that would tear a full-sized fighter jet apart, if the speed were up to the aircraft’s scale.
You have also NOT seen male goldfinches and other birds chasing each other over who gets the turf in the bush willow. They are aggressive about turf, will challenge each other over who gets the space, and when the more dominant male goldfinch is fed up, he takes off chasing the intruder. They can make right-angle turns by simply raising and spreading their tailfeathers, and they corner like they are on rails. The speed, if brought up the scale of a fighter jet, would rip the aircraft to pieces.
Whatever these things are, they are part of the earth, they are alive and they belong here. They may be primitive organisms or not so primitive, but they belong here. And if they are able to keep up with a fighter jet (and they can easily do that) and change directions in the blink of an eye, or stop on a dime and hover at will, they are NOT machinery. They can also change shape and color at will.
They are alive, some kind of undefined organism, and they belong here.

Pat Frank
May 22, 2021 9:03 am

I heard one credible-seeming expert report that submarines had detected objects going 600 kmph while submerged. The UFOs have been observed by satellite making 600 G turns. If true, no terrestrial power has that sort of technology.

Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 6:14 pm

Ah, the Earth at work!!! I love it. I’ve been watching the new Iceland volcano grow form a simple shield cone to a line of erupting orifices, one after another, and the latest one is not to be sneezed at. And Grimsvoton, which hasn’t erupted since 2011, is showing signs of waking up – serious signs. Something’s cooking up there….

May 22, 2021 9:50 am

A few weeks ago, I saw some recently declassified photos. They did not appear to me as nuclear powered ramjets, which cruise at speeds many times the speed of sound and don’t suddenly change speed by hundreds or even several 10s of MPH in a fraction of a second while using ramjets for thrust and they don’t turn on a dime. Ramjets only work at high speeds and cruise missiles need somewhat substantial wings to cruise, at least at speeds slower than hypersonic. I saw commentary/speculation that these objects are some sort of spy aircraft (with a fair chance of being unmanned aircraft) by some entity other than the US government / military. As for what kind of espionage these aircraft are doing, if this is actually true? One speculation I have is for seeing how the US government and military responds to the presence of very unusual aircraft. I expect that the US military and intelligence agencies have already given a lot of consideration to this, and I hope that politicians don’t meddle or allow/encourage meddling by political forces with national security agencies regarding such national security issues.

Van Doren
May 22, 2021 9:58 am

Just laughable. Russians are just transferring budget money into their own pockets here.

Tom Abbott
May 22, 2021 10:23 am

Let me start out by saying I need evidence before I’m going to believe aliens are visiting the Earth, such as “observing an alien walk off his spacecraft and set foot on the ground”, type of evidence.

Having said that, there are many unexplained things around UFO’s, and I’m not going to dismiss anything until it deserves to be dismissed.

So, for the purposes of argument if I assume alien visitations are real then I would conclude that the aliens are not immediately dangerous to us here on Earth because they have taken no hostile actions against humans to date.

One thing I’m curious about is the number of different vehicle designs that UFO’s present. There must be several dozen different configurations that have been pictured over the years.

So, if aliens are real and visiting us, then are the aliens from just one planet which happens to make all sorts of different spacecraft designs, or are different spacecraft designs coming from different alien civilizations. Are we being visited by one alien race, or many? Assuming we are, of course, and taking into consideration that there is no solid evidence of this being the case. It’s just pure speculation on my part. 🙂

May 22, 2021 10:24 am

Well first, I don’t believe aliens would travel upteen light years to play games. Secondly, if Russia, or any other country, could produce or store the energy required to propel an object of any size the way these are moving, they wouldn’t be wasting their tome of nuclear, fossil fuels, or renewables. And if they could, but it was expensive or required rare materials, again, they eouldn’t wast their efforts on these games. So what’s left?

Based on my own ignorance, since that is all any of us have wrt this, there is one question that hasn’t been really answered: are we looking at solid objects? They move like the dot made by my laser pointer, which can SEEM to move faster than the speed of light, and produce no shock waves. Stop on a dime, zoom up or down, disappear in the ocean. And uses virtually NO energy.

I’m thinking along the lines of multiphoton ionization, perhaps of free argon, in the air. Unfortunately, all the data are in black and white, denying us a clue. Two lasers, computer controlled, operated using a joy stick. Each laser, individually, too weak to create anything visual in open air. Wherever the beams crossed, however, would have the energy for (argon, oxygen, nitrogen?) to become ionize and glow. A laser ‘dot’ in the air. You need a lot more power than a laser pointer, but that’s about it. No real technological breakthrough required.

But why? Having this in an encounter could confuse the enemy as to what were real targets, e.g. you, or just air. And that would answer the ‘who’. The US military, field testing it using unsuspecting pilots.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  jtom
May 25, 2021 4:02 am

“Based on my own ignorance, since that is all any of us have wrt this, there is one question that hasn’t been really answered: are we looking at solid objects? They move like the dot made by my laser pointer, which can SEEM to move faster than the speed of light, and produce no shock waves. Stop on a dime, zoom up or down, disappear in the ocean. And uses virtually NO energy.”

Some of the objects we are seeing may be some kind of plasma, but there are many other pictures and verbal descriptions that describe solid objects.

One U.S. airforce pilot was chasing a UFO one day, and he got up fairly close to it where he could describe what it looked like, and then he said the craft took off away from him so fast that it was out of sight in a couple of seconds. He had clear visiblity for over 20 miles and they said for the object to be able to disappear in the timeframe given would mean the craft was moving at about 8,000mph. This was not plasma.

Giordano Milton
May 22, 2021 12:15 pm

The Dems are looking for more reasons to sow fear among the public

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William Ward
May 22, 2021 1:33 pm

While I have historically supported the US having a strong military, I no longer trust the military. Perhaps they never deserved trust, but in the past year, they have fully confirmed that they are dangerous to our Liberty. What the military did on 1/6/2021 and since then has sealed the deal for me. For a long time, they have been virtue signaling about climate alarmism to get more funding. They have doubled down on that recently. They tell us that climate change is one of the most serious military threats to the US but no actual spending takes place to fight it. If the widespread deployment of Critical Race Theory in the military doesn’t make you lose sleep, then enjoy your oblivion. The enemy is now within.

So, we should fully assume that the military deciding to reveal evidence of UFO/UAPs is a psychological operation with a specific goal in mind. Increased funding is the obvious one that is always present, but we should assume they plan more control through fear or to distract from other activities.

If the US Military is truly mystified by these UAPs then they are the knuckle-dragging blockheads we feared. But it is more likely that they are diabolically clever than dumb. We know that they are working on plasma weapons that fool instruments. Why wouldn’t they at least propose the theory of natural plasma as an explanation? They have to have an army of physicists at the National Labs they could contract with to assess it.

Gordon A. Dressler
May 22, 2021 1:55 pm

Sorry, Eric, but you overlooked and/or intentionally minimized a raft of serious scientific questions related to UFOs/UAPs when you posted your statement: “But maybe its easier to believe in aliens, than to face the idea that Russia may have developed a key military capability that the USA currently cannot match.”

To wit, do you really think the Russians have technology enabling vehicles (perhaps with humans inside) to:

— operate at speeds in excess of 20,000 mph (Mach 30) deep in Earth’s atmosphere?

— change velocity vector almost instantaneously at high speed, equivalent to straight line accelerations and/or turns at hundreds of g’s?

— literally disappear in an eyeblink?

— to operate thusly, and even to hover, with no obvious chemical exhaust plumes and completely silently (i.e., no acoustic emissions in the range of normal human hearing).

— to operate thusly without any evidence of aerodynamic lifting surfaces or aerodynamic control surfaces such as humans currently need to use on supersonic and hypersonic vehicles?

Also see: https://www.history.com/news/ufo-sightings-speed-appearance-movement

I sincerely hope your comment was a weak, misplaced attempt at humor, and not the product of a closed mind.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Eric Worrall
May 22, 2021 8:19 pm


Thanks for the reply . . . but as sci-fi author Arthur C. Clarke famously noted in his Third Law: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
May 23, 2021 12:57 am

“Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.”

EVERYTHING is magic … until you know the trick !
from sawing someone in half, to getting water from thin air, electric light, catatonic coma, DNA, flight, radio, magnets….

“Crop circles are a hoax, the pranksters confessed in 1991. No doubt lots of copycats since then.”

Yup, was involved in a few myself in the late 70s,
Need a full moon & dry earth, some short scaffold planks with rope bridles, a few thin steel marker posts ~4ft long, a long rope with marker knots, a magnetic compass, a pre-drawn plan & a few people.
Walk into field on short stilts + walking poles. ( so no footprints)
Set up one person as center, take marker rope to first knot, drop board & tow it with rope bridle until plan-master says stop, repeat until design complete.
A simple design takes about 1 hr complicated 5-6hrs.
Great fun (geometry by moonlight ) still got some of the press cuttings … somewhere !
These days they use smartphones & GPS apps for the wonderful patterns, but the method is still the same. Here’s some modern ones – https://english.pravda.ru/photo/album/7938/