Guest essay by Eric Worrall
What is wrong with a picture of people wearing the products of an energy intensive high tech civilisation demanding more climate action?
A million young people urge governments to prioritise climate crisis
World leaders will meet for Climate Adaptation Summit to consider how to adapt to extreme weather
Fiona Harvey Environment correspondent
Fri 22 Jan 2021 11.01 AEDTMore than 1 million young people around the world have urged governments to prioritise measures to protect against the ravages of climate breakdown during the recovery from the Covid-19 pandemic.
World leaders are due to meet by video link on Monday to consider how to adapt to the extreme weather, wildfires and floods that have become more common as temperatures rise. Ban Ki-moon, the former UN secretary general, will lead the Climate Adaptation Summit, and leaders including Boris Johnson, Emmanuel Macron, Angela Merkel and Narendra Modi are expected to attend.
Ban said: “We must remember there is no vaccine to fix our changing climate. As climate change impacts continue to intensify, we must put adaptation on an equal footing with [cutting emissions]. Building resilience to climate change impacts is not a nice-to-have, it is a must, if we are to live in a sustainable and secure world.”
He said efforts to repair the damage done to economies by Covid-19 were in danger of compounding the problem. “I am deeply concerned that in domestic stimulus plans dirty measures that increase carbon emissions outnumber green initiatives by four to one,” he said.
Patrick Verkooijen, the chief executive of the Global Centre on Adaptation, said it was time to redirect spending. “As governments begin to invest trillions of dollars to recover from the pandemic, they have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to build a more resilient, climate-smart future – to build adaptation in the next round of fiscal stimulus,” he said. “A coordinated green resilient infrastructure push with the right policy incentives could boost global GDP by 0.7% in the first 15 years and create millions of jobs.”
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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/jan/22/a-million-young-people-urge-governments-to-prioritise-climate-crisis
To be fair, looking at their website, the Global Centre for Adaption seems to be steering carefully around calling for emissions cuts. Their emphasis appears to be more on increasing resilience to the predicted rise in storms and rate of sea level rise which global warming is supposed to bring.
I wonder if this could be a new strategy by the UN to build a broader consensus in the USA for shovelling taxpayers’ money into UN programmes.
Demanding money for other countries to build useless renewables is an obviously divisive issue, even some Democrat senators might vote against that. But asking for funding to say improve resilience against flooding in Bangladesh or whatever is less likely to receive an automatic “no”.
Of course, once the money leaves US shores, how the money is spent may differ significantly from the justifications provided to the US government to raise the money.
Naked hubris on display.
Naked? Where?
Not perhaps the best comment to put under an article about children.
I’ll accept the criticism. “Young people” is what they tend to call older high shooters and college students when they are trying to hide something.
They aren’t “children” until they foment violence and the police have to use force to stop them from harming innocent bystanders and property.
Synthetic fabric dominates clothing for young people, in fact, for everyone. Synthetic clothing is cheap. Many young people can only afford synthetic clothing. Any suggestions of what young people should buy and wear so as not to be accused of hypocrisy?
How about tanned hides of dead animals, like our ancestors did when they lived in total harmony with nature?
How would the vegetarians amongst them cope, sarc
there’s always the venerable fig leaf
There present philosophy forbids even that.
In addition to clothing (gowns, etc.) just think about the use of plastics within the medical industry. Plastics are inexpensive and easily made into sterile devices that are critical to healthcare.
I’d guess that nearly nearly all vaccine injections are made with plastic syringes.
George Carlin nods.
In the modern hospital setting almost all “disposables” are some form of plastic. Used once and disposed of immediately to maintain sterile conditions. Then disposed of permanently as “red bag waste”. How about we go back to reusable glass syringes and metal trach tubes. The problem with most young people is they are both young and stupid but only view themselves as being young.
I remember back in the early days of PRIONS the discovery of the difficulty preventing their spread. “Incineration” was judged inadequate. Perhaps huge ionizing radiation exposure also.
They are all FauXi’d and I am glad that I am old.
They’re working on a bamboo syringe
I don’t think many people realize how much energy is required to produce glass. Plastics reduce that by a large amount.
Endoscopes are plastic, but too expensive to recycle. Adequate cleaning for reuse is a most contentious issue.
Do not forget the “vaccines” also contain PEG.. a petroleum product.
Tom, I think you missed part of the point of the post. They or their parents don’t grasp that getting rid of fossil fuel will cause clothing to get expensive. They will have less of almost everything.
And to my eye there are more adults in the photo than kids. I did not see the word hypocrisy any where in post.
put them out in cotton fields they can grow their own clothes.
Make the pick cotton by had for a few days, shoveling manure and digging a ditch would be also good learning experiences. I never picked cotton the other two I have done.
I have done all three and baled hay. Of course I am an old frt. I’ll retain my luxuries, thx. I have said so many times – look around your environment at any moment and identify what did not take petroleum to grow, manufacture, transport,etc and then decide what can you live without. While at it identify things that were not invented by a white man.
Don’t forget carding the cotton to remove the seeds.
Once, when I was young and quite foolish, I planted a couple of acres of wheat.
At the time, my friends were gung ho about raising foods naturally without harming animals…
Of course, none of them ever lived on a farm or performed noisome tasks.
After getting permission from my Father, I plowed and tilled the land with a tractor. I had a full time job at the time, including working weeknights and weekends. This effort was on my own time and effort.
After tilling, I did it all by hand, including using a scythe to harvest bundles of wheat stalks.
That wheat ripened late July in Pennsylvania.
I wheel barreled all of the sheaves of wheat up to the barn.
Then, I tried to separate wheat and chaff.
Tossing a broad basket of wheat and in chaff up in the air to let the wind blow the chaff away.
All too often, that part of Pennsylvania entirely lacks wind in late July and most of August.
Some chaff did separate when the stuff landed back in the basket with chaff billowing out over me.
Sweat soaked, I sopped up an incredible amount of chaff. Chaff is sharp edged and cuts skin.
Enough, that I had to hose off before going inside to shower or risk clogging the shower.
I left a large pile of wheat seeds and chaff waiting for windier weather and more time off from work.
For some odd reason, we had an explosion of rats before windy days returned.
I spread the remaining wheat seeds and chaff in the fields for birds the next winter.
That and my Father’s attempt at raising organic strawberries convinced me that tools, engines and chemicals serve dang good purposes.
Back then, various states conducted presentations with small growers about a novel way to “Market” organically raised foods at higher prices to people in love with their notions of healthier foods.
Organic is nothing about better or healthier foods. It is all scheme to charge more for the same foods.
A scheme that large commercial industries as entirely captured.
No. Not one of the friends proselytizing hand grown and harvested foods came to help out. I didn’t mind since the point was for me to learn just how much effort was required and I did.
Good stuff! ATheoK.
Confronted at the Supermarket by the exponential increase in ‘Organic’ produce and prices, I have resorted to asking directions to the ‘Inorganic’ section for eggs, produce, etc. So far the result is always the same bewildered blank looks! Same thing in the Exotic bottled Water aisle when asking for dehydrated water..”you know the light stuff that saves the freight costs”.
Cheers
Mike
USDA has a treasure trove of B&W photos showing U.S. agriculture in the 1930s- 40s. I use many of these photos in my environmental presentations to college students, especially those who are into the burgeoning campus garden movement. Lesson? Life was hard. Everybody worked, irrespective of race, age or ethnicity. If they learn anything from campus gardens, it should be the sheer effort involved in manually raising paltry amounts of food, and an appreciation for the integrated agricultural industry that supplies abundant, varied, healthy and cheap food to their tables. BTW, I never buy “organic” labeled foods if I have a choice. Like playing the lottery – it’s just a voluntary means of reducing disposable income for no benefit.
They are the hypocrites. What they should do to stop being hypocrites, is their problem, not mine.
Yes, bigots (i.e. sanctimonious hypocrites) of a progressive (i.e. monotonic unqualified change) order that is, unfortunately, inclusive. Throw another baby on the barbie, shed the privacy layer, tear down the walls, the tell-tale hearts beat ever louder.
You’re like Peta of Newark. Always have one message in every post.
I believe that n. n. is Nassim Nicholas Taleb, and worth attending to even if you disagree with any or all of his thoughts and writings. He may be the only true currently active published polymath autodidact at the moment. Read everything of his that you can understand and as much of what you can’t understand as you can tolerate.
You are not qualified to dismiss n. n. (Taleb)
And let’s not overlook the face masks seen in the above photo, which everyone is being told are mandatory wear when in public so as to fight a pandemic. A relatively small number are made of cotton fabric, but most—including almost all surgical grade (N95) and the for-the-general-public, disposable types are made from what?: you got it, crude oil (petroleum) raw stock.
Here is the list of materials in the BYD brand of single use, general purpose, 3-layer flat face masks I purchased at a large retail warehouse chain:
— breathable layers(3): polypropylene nonwoven fabric
— elastic ear loops: polyester/nylon polyurethane blend
— nose clip: galvanized iron wire covered by polypropylene wrapping
— with the added note that this product has no components made from natural rubber latex.
Yes, petroleum-derived chemical feedstocks are at the base of an incredible number of items people use daily without even knowing this simple fact.
I won’t go further to discuss the huge number of pharmaceuticals derived from petroleum . . . you know, those things called “medications” used to restore health to—even save lives of— ailing individuals.
Sure, let’s just go ahead and ban drilling for oil . . . after all, all it “does” is pollute the air! /sarc off
The ignorance-based hypocrisy is indeed amazing.
Yes and also notice the photo (like many others) includes a blazing SUN, reminiscent of global warming…
It is all so staged and orchestrated. Wagner would be proud.
“Any suggestions of what young people should buy and wear so as not to be accused of hypocrisy?”
Regarding the tanned hides of dead animals as suggested by DonK31, I would point out that the animals must be killed with flint blades knapped by hand, attached to wood shafts or handles.
If they don’t want to wear the skins of dead animals, then only the following will fit the bill:
Cotton, silk, flax or hemp clothing made from plants (or silkworms) grown no more than 20 miles (a day’s horse ride) from their homes. Why the distance restriction? Because if the fibres come from farther away then there will be the temptation to put them on a boat or truck or train to get them to the recipients.
Then the fibres must be hand-harvested, hand-combed, hand-spun, hand-woven or knitted using wood or bone needles (can’t use bamboo because it only grows in warm places far away from where most of these people grew up and live), and hand-sewn using bone needles, because steel comes from iron ore, which must first be mined. Mining isn’t done by hand anymore – heavy (fossil-fueled) equipment is used, so it is verboten.
Once they have done all that work to make their clothes, they won’t have time to stand around “protesting” how easy their lives have been made by modern technology.
And most people would die at 30.
They sure would.
Not to long ago a shocking number of people never made it to their fifth birthday. Make these kids read the gravestones in an old cemetery. Frankly I don’t want to return to a world where parents bury two thirds of their children. Problem is I don’t think they understand their grandparents or great grandparents lived in such a world, the real wonder of this world is how far we’ve come in such a short time. And it seems kids are no longer taught history. How can the kids with everything be so ignorant.
Notanacademic– you ask “How can the kids with everything be so ignorant.”
Answer–American Public school education
I think UK and EU schools have the same problems
Wrong halve would die by 30, those whore are not culled would live longer. It the culling process that was a bitch. Getting to six was a big task.
Wouldn’t that require the return of slavery.
Cotton harvesting already is in China.
Not necessarily. Medieval women went about everywhere with a spindle either in their hands or hanging from their belts. When their hands weren’t otherwise occupied, they were spinning. They sure didn’t have time to do much else, though.
Democrats have been pissed off over losing that war they started to keep their slaves, so bringing it back will make them simply giddy as a school girl.
They should plant flax in fields that they cultivate, seed and water by hand. No fertiliser. Cut with a stone sickle as all metals are processed with fossil fuels. They can hand pull the plants and stook them. They can ripple, ret, break and scutch the stalks by hand. After hand hackling and spinning the fibre, they will have a very strong thread from which they can make cloth. Of course the human energy expended to get this far, far exceeds the energy that machines would have used to get to the same place so they will also need to plant and tend a big field of potatoes. No wonder Bill Gates is buying up farmland.
Thanks for the extra information about growing the plants, BCBill. I kind of skipped over that part to explain the part that I know something about.
Flax makes an incredible fibre and cloth. Much stronger than cotton. It was the standard in Europe until low quality but cheap cotton from India and then China drove it out of the market. One of the Victorian Farmer series had a great episode about it.
Woollens
As for “Synthetic clothing is cheap. Many young people can only afford synthetic clothing”, the same can be said of fossil fuels!
You appear to have missed the point. The problem doesn’t lie in the clothing they wear. Their problem is not learning enough real science to stop protesting fossil fuels. What they’re wearing really makes no difference. The irony is that they don’t understand the significance of their ignorance.
The problem is today children to day are indoctrinated not educated.
It’s the difference between “schooling” and education. Most people aren’t aware of a difference. They believe the words are synonyms.
How about burlap, or hemp? Affordability, comfort, style – none of those things should matter if you’re trying to “save the planet”, right?
all that chafing nullifies the comfort feature
Discomfort is due to the quality of the weave, not the fiber.
I was amused once at a street fair to watch a spinner spinning from an Angora rabbit in her lap.
My Merino wool bicycling jerseys are among the longest lasting because they are stinkproof and laundered annually. True, an experiment, but of decades duration.
Trouble with them is it a lot like wearing a hair shirt.
Cotton is reasonably affordable. But its not as durable, needs ironing, and doesn’t hold color as well as synthetics. Still, we’re saving the planet here, right?
If you follow the leftist logic to it end you will end up starving/freeze to death naked without shelter. Life is full of trade off, something leftist will never admit. What they want is life with consequences, there is no such thing.
Think you mean life *without* consequences…
Cotton.
Mind you it is a bit labour intensive and since ‘industry’ is also part of the problem the New Order may need to ‘assign’ some of the population to assist in the harvesting.
Pre-Industrial for the Win!
Heavily water intensive as well.
Maybe get a real understanding of where those things come from and learn to stop being hypocritical instead?
This will indeed present a dilemma. Many vegans and PETA lovers refuse to wear clothing made from animals (leather, fur, etc). At some point soon it will be racist to wear cotton because of the history of using slaves to pick the crop. So what is Natalie Portman to wear now? She cannot wear leather shoes, lest she betray her loyalty to PETA. She also cannot wear plastic or pleather shoes, lest she betray the Climate Change Agenda. At what point will she just go barefoot? And we still have not resolved the cotton issue. Perhaps the modern day activists will decide to just go naked.
“More extreme weather and wild fires..”
Allegations are not data.
(And as Ms Pelosi said “neither are anecdotes.”)
If your premise is incorrect, so is your conclusion.
Actual data shows just the opposite.
But let’s not let reality interrupt a good rant.
Was I too subtle?
concurring, not refuting
Seems to be assumed many things which aren’t happening and probably won’t happen : extreme weather, flooding, wildfires and effects of sea level rise acceleration. Couple that with ignorance of the obvious best way to reduce emissions (EVs, molten salt SMR nuclear reactors) and you’ve got a blitheringly stupid crowd of activists.
Even with the most optimistic assumptions, SM MSRs won’t produce significant amounts of power for many decades. We’ll need growing amounts of power before then but, realistically, very little of that near- to mid-term power will be supplied by MSRs. I’d like to think you’re on to something as I’m a nuclear engineer but you’re simply not. You never answered if you constantly promote MSRs because you’re invested.
ColMosby is another one-trick pony.
Is he? I always thought his posts were part of the adverts on the site. Y’know – a recurring ad for reactors.
Lol, yeah, I can see that.
Could be a one horse pony.
Metaphor mixer!
still waiting..
They must be here by now !!
So farm SMRs are a lot like fusion power. Always 20 years in the future.
Reduce what emissions? CO2 does not need any reduction.
You left out all the rubber and plastic on those shoes and can you imagine the mobile phone count in that mob of dropkicks.
I read somewhere that the energy for global communications is some 10%+ of all energy used on the planet..
A very obvious place to start for these poor suffering little wretches.
These young people don’t need to do anything for about 20 years, the Covid19 may sort out world population. The acquired immunity for the new UK’s mutant is not holding, it has 30% increase in mortality in a year. If this is repeated year on year, and if the vaccines fail to track mutations then the world population numbers would be reduced as the AGW protagonist desire to achieve.
This graph says we could be ok for a couple of decades, but then things would get scary:
http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/WPCI.htm
The human immune system is far more robust to this corona virus than you imagine Vuk. Vaccine immunity may not durable, but the real symptomatic infection creates durable, protective immunity.
Yes for the old version, but in the UK apparently previously (5-6 months ago) infected people are getting infected again. This new mutant is up to 60% more ineffective and it has 30-40% mortality increase (old 10/1000 new 13-14/1000). Anyway whole exercise, as thing stand at the moment, is considering the ‘worst possible scenario’ some 20+ years removed and by then some of the above mentioned factors may disappear.
Apparently, it’s worse than you think. https://au.news.yahoo.com/uk-mutant-covid-strain-up-to-90-per-cent-more-deadly-002652230.html
But, “the evidence is not yet strong.”
Sorry Vuk and Joel, but Covid patients can get reinfected – this has been recognised for most of 2020. These new variants are similar in that regard – most people do not retain antibodies to Covid beyond a few weeks to a month or so. That’s why the vaccines work differently to other antibody – based vaccines.
Out of 100 million total CV19 cases globally, something like a thousand are purported to be reinfections. It’s likely that many of these (infections and reinfections) are false positives.
You’re conflating a positive PCR test with a symptomatic infection. We have solid evidence now that symptomatic infection induces durable memory T cell and memory B Cell immune functions that will last for years if not decades. It may not be sterilizing immunity, but protective immunity for the individual.
No I’m not. The solid data you describe is not so solid – the T cell and B cell durability is open to interpretation – the studies have lasted about 4-5 months so far and, yes, they were still present at that time. Assuming that they will last more than 6 months to a year is still hypothetical and far from proven – won’t be in fact until the studies last that long. There have been many cases of reinfection, not all can be put down to a false positive test – many were clearly from a second infection.
We understand T and B cell memory responses to viruses enough to know that symptomatic infection and resolution of infection produces durable protective, immune memory. There is a gulf of difference between protective immunity and sterilizing immunity.
In other viruses. Not all viruses are the same. The Spanish flu T and B cells are very well understood with a long duration of over 10 years. The common cold ones, on the other hand, have a very short duration. We are still learning about this one and solid data may still be years away.
Oh dear. It’s worse than we thought.
Not worse but better – this is nowhere near as bad as some of the past viruses. I just think it’s premature to make sweeping statements that we simply don’t have the data for yet. Vuk and Joel may be completely correct but until we have that data we simply don’t know. As I said though – yet.
I have to point out that taking a pair of datapoints and extrapolating that into the future to create a worst-case scenario is exactly what the climate alarmists do constantly In reality, that is nearly always outside of any realistic “worst-case scenario” because there are so many other factors involved. Examples are things like hard limits on some parameters or even unknown factors that may arise.
I doubt that modelling the spread of disease is nearly as difficult as predicting future climate states, but that does not mean it is something we are able to do reliably given scant amount of information that is available about this new disease.
Simply put, I suspect your model of a “worst-case scenario” is far beyond any realistic worst-case scenario.
Hi Reg
I will start with the quote:
“Most likely, but we need …..”
and rather than repeat myself i will point you to my comment further down you may have not come to as yet
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/01/23/a-million-young-people-wearing-synthetic-fabrics-demand-more-climate-action/#comment-3167872
I will start with your quote: “This graph says we could be ok for a couple of decades, but then things would get scary”
I suppose many of us are wondering why you don’t just follow that up with a simple “I forgot to include a sarc tag”, edit that post, and then move on.
Do you actually contend that the world population scenario you plotted is in any way a plausible outcome of COVID-19 (and COVID-20, COVID-21, etc.)?
Just for reference I will note that the Spanish Flu Epidemic of 1918 killed about 10% of the population. It clearly was a more deadly virus than COVID-19. Is your contention that a less-deadly virus will result in more overall deaths because it is less deadly, doesn’t create herd immunity as quickly, and is therefore able to mutate and then continue on, etc.?
If that is your argument, than I can assure you that there have likely been many, many strains of the flu with were close to COVID-19 in terms of mortality rates. To my knowledge, nothing like your plot has ever happened. If you have actual evidence to the contrary, then please feel free to share it with us. Beyond that, your plot is just mathematics. Nothing more.
Reg, “could” & “would” are get out of jail cards.
Hopefully there might be one or two people left around 2050-55, then we might discuss it all over again but for now keep safe.
A deadly serious Vuk, no /sarcs
Yes, and there seems to be more and more evidence of cross reactive immunity.
I’m getting older but not in a high risk age or health category. I’m not going to willingly take a “vaccine” for CV19. Instead, I’ll trust my immune system and help it along to the extent that I can.
RNA viruses replicate in the cells by hijacking the RNA transcription in the cells. If there is sufficient intRAcellular zinc the RNA viruses are blocked from replicating.
So the patient has to be sufficient in zinc (many people do not get sufficient zinc from their diet) this means supplements for zinc many are available on the market
The zinc needs to be intRAcellular zinc – to get the zinc past the cell walls a zinc ionophore is needed. The most famous of those is now HydroxyChloroQuine (HCQ) which the venal medical community fought against. But there are others one that is almost certainly in your diet already is Quercetin – this is also sold by health food stores combined with zinc supplements – to increase immune health. There are also resveratrol (in red wine), EGCG in green tea, and even HCQ’s progenitor Quinine in tonic water.
There is also a lot more information on the use of Vitamin D and Selenium which appear to ensure that free zinc is available to be assisted into cells.
But the important point is that by raising intracellular zinc RNA viruses are BLOCKED (1) from replicating using the cells’ RNA transcription systems. Not only SARS-CoV-2 but also polio and influenza. This is something that viruses cannot (easily) mutate past as it would necessitate an entire lifecycle change. BUT the virus can mutate around antibodies, especially those from mRNA vaccines that are very very specific. In the worst case the antibodies due to vaccines can interfere with the body’s adaptive immune system and result in ‘antibody dependent enhancement’ where the not quite working vaccine antibody prevents the adaptive immune system working and actually enhances the capability of the virus to infect the host or even allows infection of the immune system cells.
So the medical community out of habit or venality is pushing vaccines rather than therapeutics. But in the case of RNA viruses it has been shown in vitrio and in vivo that zinc plus a zinc ionophore STOPS the RNA viruses from replicating. This therapeutic approach is for OUTPATIENTS immediately the patient feels symptoms or knows they have been in contact with someone infected. Doctors that have used this approach report that the infection is cured within a week in 95% of patients, Note that this 95% efficacy of the zinc/zinc ionophore outpatient treatment is as good if not better than the vaccines currently being distributed. It is also cheaper and need only be given to those infected.
It is very easy for the population to ensure that they are sufficient in zinc and zinc ionophores and add vitamin D3 and selenium to their diet. Many supplements are available that provide just that mix. Indeed most of the population are already sufficient in these through their normal diets which is why so few are actually infected by the claimed hyper-infectious SARS-CoV-2. The mawkish reports of the numbers infected have taken a leaf out of the climate science ‘hide the decline’ approach to graphics. If the Y axis is set at the population being considered the rise in infections is usually invisible. Indeed for UK if only the population of London is used so a Y axis of 9 million, the entire ‘infected/cases’ numbers of the entire UK are still invisible.
The point is that with extremely effective therapeutics that can be self administered (as the politicians and medical community are not willing to use them to cure patients), the pandemic could/should be stopped by the people. The IFR for COVID-19 is extremely low in any case so there will be no perceptible loss to populations from SARS-CoV-2. There will be from all the other conditions and diseases that the politicians have decided they will not treat.
(1) PMCID: PMC2973827
Do you think it could be that influenza and possibly other respiratory illnesses are being conflated with CV19?
Personally, I don’t think the issue of potential antibody dependent enhancement has been properly addressed with these “vaccines.”
Very good question, and one which demands an answer. The number of influenza cases in the UK at least is suspiciously low this year. I’m sure a large proportion of the Covid-19 cases are actually flu, especially as the Covid tests are so inaccurate.
Paul Ehrlich, is that you?
Planned Parent/hood (i.e. one-child, selective-granny, minority choice, delegated choice; reduce, reuse, recycle/cannibalize) is progressive policy, the wicked solution (to a purportedly hard problem): one step forward, two steps backward advocated by 1%ers, the monotonically divergent, and “good” people…persons.
Common Vuk, stop the fear mongering.
I don’t know, as long we, elderly, die a year before, I have got no problem. You?
Nothing to worry Jos. Currently just under 1% of the world population die annually. My analysis (unlikely to materialise) shows that will take 15 years from now before the natural causes mortality is increased by another 1%. However it would scare youngsters that they will be all gone in about 40 years time. It’s time they get bit of their own medicine of hypothetical scare. Covid19 fear mongering may suppress AGW’s fear mongering which will affect much greater proportion of population.
Agree, Vuk
I Boris had been PM and not Churchill then Hitler and Rommel would have had plenty of warning of D-Day. The man is an illectual pillow who cannot keep his mouth shut, and has a total inability to assess the repercussions of what he says.
The data on the Kent mutation is pretty sparse, it was first detected mid late September, and was detected in the USA 6 weeks before Sage informed the UK government of its existence. So I for one regard Sage as one of the least sage advisory groups in the world.
It should be noted that the UK NHS are identifying a lack of ICU beds and staff as a problem. Whether this has affected the number of deaths is unclear. What is true though is that in the year 2000 the NHS had round 240,000 beds and now has 160,000. In fact there were 2000 beds fewer in 2019 than 2018. How many fewer ICU beds now compared with 2000 I don’t know.
The NHS runs out of ICU bed every flu season for the last ten years. Yet there are few bed today the last year. You would think they would be more beds today the say 2010. That what happen when a bureaucracy runs things instead adding bed the subtract beds and yet spend more money every year.
Well, since Chinese Disease has not come close to killing as many Americans as auto accidents, or any other cause, population will continue to grow just as it always has.
2hotel9 posted: “Well, since Chinese Disease has not come close to killing as many Americans as auto accidents, or any other cause, population . . .”
This is one of the most ill-informed posts I’ve ever seen.
“More than 38,000 people die every year in crashes on U.S. roadways.”—source: https://www.asirt.org/safe-travel/road-safety-facts/#:~:text=More%20than%2038%2C000%20people%20die,for%20people%20aged%201%2D54.
Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year ) cites 36,560 “motor vehicle deaths in US” for the last year it provides tabulated statistics, 2018.
In the last year, COVID-19 (which originated in China) is given as the cause of death for over 400,000 Americans (see https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-covid-19-death-toll-nears-400-000-n1254575 ) . . . a number more than 10 times higher than American deaths from auto accidents.
Facts matter.
“A total of 1,752 people died in reported road traffic accidents in Great Britain in 2019, 2 per cent less than the 1,784 deaths reported in 2018. This figure is also similar to the level of fatalities seen since 2012. The trend in the number of fatalities has been broadly flat since 2010.”
The UK’s covid19 deaths currently stand around 97,000 which (even grossly exaggerated) it is more than order of a magnitude greater than reported road deaths.
Vuk, that’s interesting but 2hotel9’s post above referred to American deaths.
Words matter.
In BC Canada, overdose deaths involving illegal drugs were running at 2.98/100,000 annualized at the beginning of January (4.98 in the 40-59 age group; 5.27 for male sex). Covid deaths for the past year were about 15/100,000. Median age for a Covid death was 86.
While it is true that the death toll from Covid is higher than drug over dose, I fail to see how a cause of death that has an age pattern that is higher than the average life expectancy in BC (about 82, or 85 given survival to 65) is any kind of disaster for the population. Certainly a signal that the aged need protection, not that the whole province must shut down.
Another interesting statistic is that the annual OVERALL death rate for BC was about 586/100,000 (for Canada 785/100,000): that is, Covid was about 2.5% of deaths for the first and it looks like most of the second wave. Lets keep Covid in perspective. Death is a normal part of life. It is more tragic when it is someone who has their life ahead of them. It is also more tragic when preceded by long periods of physical and mental suffering.
The life in the past year for my daughter with twins born in March in Quebec is beyond comprehension: except for a brief period in the summer, NO VISITORS, NO HOUSEHOLD HELP, no socialization, even the nurses that used to visit new mothers cancelled. Now, having to risk an $800 ticket for taking a screaming baby for a walk outside after 8pm. And I have not yet met my grandchildren.
I consider screwing the young to protect the aged and infirm to be immoral.
Just published by The Government’s New and Emerging Respiratory Virus Threats Advisory Group (Nervtag)
Relative mortality rates of new UK Covid strain
Age…. Original mortality rate…. New variant mortality rate …. mortality increase%
40s …. 2 in 1000…. 2.5 in 1000 …. 25%
60s …. 10 in 1000 …. 13 in 10000 …. 30%
80s …. 80 in 1000 …. 100 in 1000 …. 25%
90s …. 200 in 1000 …. 270 in 1000 …. 35%
What’s the typical mortality rate for people in their 80s and 90s?
The above are excess moralities above the (n years) average
Almost all dead with 20 years, those in elder care six months. I don’t think at 67 I will make 87. Most of my ancestors did not a few did. I don’t think I will be in that few category.
Something like that would be observed if they increased the attribution of influenza deaths as CV19 deaths. Likewise, the rate of deaths among the young would rise.
Most likely, but we need a bigger scare than the ‘global warming catastrophe’ in order to beat them down to the ground. One horrifying scare is more than enough for any sane person. Scare the hell out of them with projection that may never materialise, not at least in the next 20 years, they might not be intelligent enough to realise that from my graph further above
not even close to what the flu did before the 1950, the death rate to flu pandemic was normally 3% before the 1950’s. I assume the difference between then and now was the advent of antibiotics stamping out the secondary infections. Now antibiotics are losing effectiveness one would expect the rate of death from flu like disease to increase. Of course the hard realities of that causes our now snowflake population hard to cope with.
Again premature Vuk. These are highly conjectural figures based on an extremely small dataset – they don’t have 1000 cases of the new strain under study.
Richard, it’s never premature to launch a scare story, if you wait for enough data that train may have long departed.
Yep, flu is still less lethal than, well, everything.
Take away their iPhones, Starbucks, and Xboxes, put them in the fields digging potatoes without machines so they have something to eat, all in the name of sustainability and resilience, and see how quickly they come around to fossil fuels.
Low molecular weight hydrocarbons, like n-butane and propane, are the favored solvents for extracting Δ-9-THC from marijuana.
Even before that processing, MJ grow operations use lots of electric lamps and fertilizer to get the highest THC product. The THC extraction can use liquid CO2 under pressure in sealed vats, as is used in commercial de-caffeination of coffee beans. The extracted caffeine is carried away by the non-polar CO2 and allowed to boil off. Far safer than using flammable hydrocarbons.
All true. For extraction, the pressure required to use CO2 is much higher to get to sufficient solubility, thus vessels have thick walls and are expensive in addition to the need for expensive compressors. Hydrocarbon extraction is lower tech, though more susceptible to fires and explosions as you say, but still produces a good oil, known as butane hash oil (BHO).
There are likely thousands of small underground labs producing BHO in the U.S. for the black market creating danger for consumers and those around the labs. I’m not a user but I’ve developed some processes used in the legal space.
We had one of those go up in May. Scary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGOSMpvCEeU
Joe Biden will be all in with these clueless millinneals and the USA first, then world economy, will pay the price. The CBO has already advised Biden that his proposed programs will cause 4 million workers to lose their jobs. Not to worry, ButtGig says they can get government jobs. Watch Biden stop Climate Change? Film at 11:00?
globally those 4 million jobs won’t lost, they will just move to China and India…..
Shhh, you’ll spoil the surprise.
Actually CCP is embracing automation, so those jobs WILL be gone.
That may be true but China will own the machines that make machines. The rest of the world will be the Maytag repairmen and women.
At what point would politicians be prosecuted for treason for trying to sabotage the US economy?
By whom? Take a good look at the people who could do it and wonder what on earth would ever induce them to break ranks?
Would that be the same DA’s who keep trying to sue oil companies for selling a legal product?
Ever heard of the “independent judiciary”? Independent of what/whom, exactly? How will you prosecute the arch criminals if you don’t even have a justice system of your own?
Justice is entirely dependent upon the amount of force you can bring to the argument.
You own a police force? No? Then the justice system, at best, ignores you, at worst persecute you, nominally prosecute you at whim.
The people you want to prosecute actually DO own the privatised police forces, as well as the jails, and they make the laws regulating it all.
…and they took note of your threat, too…you domestic terrorist who wants to storm the capitol with zip ties!
https://greenpets.co.za/index.php/en/12-paranoid-goy/187-judicious-democracy
Quote:
“..More than 1 million young people around the world have urged governments to prioritise measures to protect against the ravages of climate breakdown during the recovery from the Covid-19 pandemic…”
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I have posted a comment about this before, and I will do it again here. Why do the adult handlers and manipulators of these children keep reminding me of Nazi Germany? The Hitler Youth perhaps?
Knock out the internet for some time and most would be like paralyzed zombies.
And they wouldn’t know where to get their next opinion from
Rabid diversity (i.e. color judgment), redistributive change, wicked solution, Mengele experiments, and, of course, Jew privilege… sequester the carbon. Forward!
What bothers me the most are the use of CHILDREN in protests, they for the most part are ignorant of the issues surrounding Climate and Weather.
Useful, however, to the “cause.”
Semantic games, conception corruption, conflation of logical domains in an inclusive climate of indoctrination and reeducation of a weathered underground, now normalized.
Peanut butter, callouses, sandals, bad tv shows, Ryan Reynolds, rock music, valium, Velvet Underground. Oh look I can do a meaningless list of things as well. Works at least as well, if not better than yours! Perhaps if you actually put a proper post – y’know, with sentences and things – it might be better.
Uneducated teenagers were quite useful in filling out the Red Guards in the beginning to Mao and his circle of thugs.
Uneducated teenagers have always been useful arrow/cannon/gun fodder and always will be unless and until we can actually educate them rather than leaving them open to the latest propaganda.
And the Soviet Union’s Young Pioneers. Totalitarian regimes have always exploited the naivete and enthusiasm of youth. The only brake on this are strong family ties. Something tells me that the parents of these young ecowarriors are either in agreement or absent.
If you go to the original source, The Guardian, you’ll see that the photo was taken in Lisbon, so I think we can safely conclude that the kiddies with their placards written out in largely U.S. English are not a group of indigenous citizens of Portugal worrying about the planet. Clearly this is staged with the English-speaking media in mind–no surprise but it’s important to keep pointing out these episodes of child exploitation.
This was taken in Portugal and it’s common to use English language in the expectation to have a broader impact as you say. All the kids learn english (mandatory in the Portuguese education system). All the kids in the picture, contrary to what you say, are indeed Portuguese natives.
The sign at original post’s right side picture is actually a protest against some airport; it says airport in Portuguese under superimposed editing rectangle. In that context the sign held in the middle shows trees & is likely referring to those that would get cut down to clear land for the same airport. It seems the Guardian has hijacked a local issue for click bait; but at least in Portugal one can still tell the girls from the boys.
Ironically they can’t seem to find the wherewithal to level the same protest about felling of trees against the “green energy” scams (read: wind and solar “farms”) which will kill lots of birds and bats and flying insects in addition to the trees, the ecological impacts of which have never been even remotely considered in their zeal to promote useless, unpredictable, unreliable, low density energy “sources” in the place of actual, useful dispatchable fossil fuel energy.
They have been taught to fear CC due to CO2 in school, instead of how the water cycle of evaporation, clouds and rainfall control the Earth’s temperature.
But you can’t get tax revenue from clouds, but you can from people who believe CO2 taxes are a solution.
They’re also not taught about the Carbon Cycle and how important carbon dioxide is for life on Earth. They’re told CO2 is a pollutant and the less the better.
They didn’t ask about clothing. I doubt they’ve considered heating/cooling or travel. Or somebody has told them that Green Energy will take care of everything, not mentioning that there’s no possibility of that actually happening assuming current physics is still correct.
A million? Really? Photoshop is the only thing leftists actually know how to use. Long past time to list all these idiots and block them from accessing ANYTHING made from or with petroleum, coal fired/hydro/nuclear produced electricity and no more foods out of season or from more than 100 miles away from their residence. A nice bright tattoo on the face to clearly mark them all.
Youth protests indicate effectiveness of education system. Students going to these protests probably get extra credit if they get picture in the press or detained by the police.
I wish schools were just as effective at instilling similar student passion in math and real science. What a different world this would be.
We hear you! School thermostats turned to 90 in summer and 50 in winter effective immediately. Students now expected to buy all recycled clothes from Goodwill. No cars on campus. Together, we can make this happen!
The Marxists are adept at exploiting fringe and minority groups for their cause by claiming their ideology favors and supports them. By the time they realize they’ve been duped and their life has degenerated it’s too late.
And the vegans and vegetarians are wearing leather shoes.
https://www.unesco.de/sites/default/files/2020-04/40%20C%2023%20ESD.pdf#page=10
I bet some of the more evangelical churches have similar documents.
World Economy Forum 2020
Vision 2030
That fits with economics.
After all, us economists were put here just to make weather forecasters look good.
“Of course, once the money leaves US shores, how the money is spent may differ significantly from the justifications provided to the US government to raise the money.”
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May??? Be honest, the chance that the money will be spent “fighting climate change” is effectively zero. Most likely to end up in the bank accounts of the various government leaders.
No, it’s for the people
So, airports and hotels for tourists like the Maldives.
All the money they got worked, the islands are growing
“A million
young peoplebrainwashed kids urge governments to prioritise climate crisis”Fixed!
During the election here in the US, my nieces would always react with an “Ewww…” when they saw a Trump sign. Now two of them are looking for jobs and the third will graduate soon. Good luck with that, girls, in a Biden economy. 😕
Be certain to point this fact out to them repeatedly.
They’re not demanding Climate Action.
The kids are using the only tool they’ve got, the instinct they were born with.
And that is what is NOT wrong with that picture…
** https://www.theguardian.com/education/2021/jan/23/dear-gavin-williamson-could-you-tell-parents-what-a-fronted-adverbial-is
## That the muppets who trashed their education, job prospects, dreams of home ownership, almost the entire economy, then expect them to pay for it all at some time in the future and THEN, make such a monumental mess of Brexit while killing their parents and grandparents with Covid LOCKDOWNS..
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-news-latest-eu-deal-boris-johnson-b1791103.html
Here’s a wonderation……
Just yesterday in the Comments Section of a BBC story on Covid, I put in a rocket.
Devil’s Avocado is great fun. You must try it sometimes.
Avocados are really healthy as well. apparently
Win win
Assuming, as an Avocado farmer, The Mafia don’t get you.
I suggested that lockdowns, with the poor physical, emotional and mental heath they cause & exacerbate, were at the root of why we’re now on Lockdown #3 and the death rate is going through the roof.
That even to the most dumb of the dumb, lockdowns were making things worse.
Then, this morning, this appeared on the BBC, addressing the very issues I highlighted = less physical activity, being stuck indoors with poor air quality and stressing over TV & Interweb news
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55660362
Maybe the is A God
“We must remember there is no vaccine to fix our changing climate.”
Yes. We must also remember there is no vaccine to fix Stupid.
“We must remember there is no vaccine to fix our changing climate.”
We must remember that our changing climate is not changing because of us, it has been changing for 4.5 billion years and will continue to change as the natural forces that drive it dictate. We must remember that not only does our changing climate not “need” any “fixing,” but that we could not “fix” it even if we initiated “maximum effort” (sorry, Deadpool) and returned to the Stone Age tomorrow.
Nature, not humans, drive the Earth’s climate. We are just along for the effing ride.
It’s a trap! They want you to criticize the kids so they can say that you are the kind of mean nasty person who picks on children. The evil people in this situation are the ones who use children as their soldiers. To use is to abuse. Shame on the parents for allowing it. Shame on the political class that encourages it.
I’d be more worried about the microfibres from their clothes getting into the ecosystem than the CO2 emissions from their production. Former is a potentially big problem. I’m lucky in that I’ve never bought the idea of synthetics being superior in any way. I stick with cotton for almost all my clothing expect for woollen jumpers and suits.
It would seem that using fossil fuels for making clothes is a carbon friendly use. Or is that too obvious?
It’s a people-friendly use. Who cares if it’s carbon-friendly.
Modern education at its best. Or rather, educational indoctrination….
At least we will be OK with Polysytrene lots to expand and keep us warm with.
p.s. first sythesized from the Styrax tree so can be quite a non-fossil fuel and as CO2 is plant food then all we have to do is plant more styrax trees (and ground nuts and strawberries )
…. prioritise measures to protect against the ravages of climate breakdown during the recovery from the Covid-19 pandemic.
Oh, so the Guardian is upping anti on the language again. From global warming to global heating, from climate “crisis” to climate “breakdown”.
Remember boys and girls, if crying wolf does not work in the first 30 years, the best thing to do is to start screaming wolf for the next 30. If you scream loud enough and long enough you will and this will be good for the planet because you are already a waste of space and resources.
World leaders are due to meet by video link on Monday to consider how to adapt to the extreme weather, wildfires and floods that have become more common as temperatures rise.
Typical deceit from enviro loony Harvey at Guardian. Note the careful wording ” as temperatures rise”. This is crafted to imply that rising temperatures are the cause without actually saying so which would be a lie. All it actually claims is a temporal coincidence.
What is going on with comments? If I post an initial comment I don’t get the format tools like quote/bold/etc.
Then I tried to edit my post to add formatting and I get and empty edit. I cancelled the edit and my post has disappeared.
All looks highly broken.
Oh, the Guardian is doubling down on the hyperbole. From global warming to “global heating”, from climate “crisis” to climate breakdown.
Remember boys and girls, if crying wolf does not work for the first 30 years, the best thing to do is to start screaming wolf. That’s sure to work. Also if you scream hard enough and long enough you will die and this will be great for the planet because you are a curse and a cancer growing on the beautiful face of GAIA. Please die, thanks Fiona.
Typical deceit from climate nutter Harvey at the Guardian. Note the careful wording: “as temperatures rise”. This is carefully crafted to imply that temperature is causing wildfires, which is a lie, but without actually saying so. All it actually claims is temporal coincidence.
Though there is a valid point to be made about our dependence on plastics this article is pretty disingenuous. Many of the items tagged in this image cannot be determined from the photo. The girls top and mask look like they could well be printed cotton; how do you know what the boy’s cap is made of? “Artificial ink” is really getting into silly nit-picking.
This kind of attack will only work when preaching to the choir. Totally pointless.
The fact the UN is coming round to adaptation which is what most skeptics have been saying is what is needed should be leveraged. They are finally realising that they are not going to stop the climate from changing. They are not going to admit it all in one go though.
The way they’ve been pumping this BS, it’s going to take another decade to turn to ship around.
why is there no CANCEL button on a new post ? How do I get out of here?
… and why can’t I at least delete it. Now I can’t even edit my original post !!
BTW coastal flooding in Bangladesh has almost nothing to do “global warming”, 95% is sinking land due to ground water extraction and the fact that they have prevented the annual flooding which used to replenish the delta with silt.
That’s their fault not mine. Not paying.
That they are not intelligent enough to know that a mask is useless is all one needs to know about them.
Ok so funny story time:
When I was in college there was this girl in class with me that was a quasi-activist–meaning she was actively participating in what she believed to be worthy causes by dressing the part but not going further in understanding. And came after me for having a real leather knapsack (which was vintage and a find since it was nasty when I found it and I worked the leather back to it’s gorgeous lustrous condition–a process that taught me a LOT about leather and quality goods). So I let her go on and noticed that in her fury at the audacity of me having a leather bag noticed she was wearing Birkenstocks with permed hair, and synthetic clothing which was chosen not for the fiber content but because it amplified her wanna be grunge style. I knew the designer as I’ve always been fascinated by fashion (lately fashion history). So I let her rant and then pointed out the flaws in her argument using her own clothing as examples.
By the time I finished with how her $250 Birkies were actually made, she had the decency to lift her jar up off the floor and wipe her eyes of tears since she didn’t have the emotional maturity to realize I wasn’t taking the bait but not the mental acuity to respond rather than react. I never made it to the perm in her hair or to the sweatshop design shop for her $160 blouse and $175 pair of cargo shorts…all made out of synthetics.
This reminds me of her. If people honestly understood how their goods come to them, even the process to make them (or even the colors they want to wear), they could at least understand how those goods get to their stores to buy them, then they’d see how it IS all connected. The best argument the “fossil fuel bad” crowd has made is to fragment the overall argument into bits and pieces so nobody wants to see the big picture because it’s all wag the dog–to the point where all they see is pictures of steam stacks and being told it’s bad and that’s all they need.
And if you need further proof of how disconnected people really are: people actually believe chocolate milk comes from brown cows in the US…I am not kidding you.
What needs to happen is education. Education on how manufacturing actually works, how transportation actually works, then maybe they will have ideas on how to make it safer, how to change the textile industry from being the worst polluter in the world to being one of the environmentally conscious and reduce the sheer amount of waste.
Those that believe that the use of fossil fuels is bad should stop making use of all goods and services that make use of fossil fuels in any way. After all it is their money that keeps the fossil fuel companies in business. That includes all goods whose transport involved the use of fossil fuels that includes store bought food, store bought clothing, building materials including materials used in the construction of roads and sidewalks. For example most materials and equipment used in the manufacture of solar and energy devices involved the use of fossil fuels. I bet that those people in the photo did not walk to that location without making use of paved roads and or sidewalks. I bet most of them live in buildings whose construction involved the use of fossil fuels. I bet most of them eat food that was transported by fossil fuel burning trucks. By breathing those people are adding more CO2 to the atmosphere.
I have been advocating for this since the 1980s. Don’t like it? Don’t use it.