By Andy May
In my last post, it was suggested that Michael Mann’s 2008 reconstruction (Mann, et al., 2008) was similar to Moberg’s 2005 (Moberg, Sonechkin, Holmgren, Datsenko, & Karlen, 2005) and Christiansen’s 2011/2012 reconstructions. The claim was made by a commenter who calls himself “nyolci.” He presents a quote, in this comment, from Christiansen’s co-author: Fredrik Charpentier Ljungqvist:
“Our temperature reconstruction agrees well with the reconstructions by Moberg et al. (2005) and Mann et al. (2008) with regard to the amplitude of the variability as well as the timing of warm and cold periods, except for the period c. AD 300–800, despite significant differences in both data coverage and methodology.” (Ljungqvist, 2010).
A quick google search uncovers this quote in a paper by Ljungqvist in 2010 (Ljungqvist, 2010), one year before the critical reconstruction by Christiansen and Ljungqvist in 2011 (Christiansen & Ljungqvist, 2011) and two years before their 2012 paper (Christiansen & Ljungqvist, 2012). It turns out that Ljungqvist’s 2010 reconstruction is quite different than those he did with Christiansen over the next two years. All the reconstructions are of the Northern Hemisphere. Ljungqvist’s and Christiansen’s are of the extra-tropical (> 30°N) Northern Hemisphere and Moberg’s and Mann’s are supposed to be of the whole Northern Hemisphere, but the big differences lie in the methods used.
With regard to the area covered, Moberg only has one proxy south of 30°N. Mann uses more proxies, but very few of his Northern Hemisphere proxies are south of 30°N. Figure 1 shows all the reconstructions as anomalies from the 1902-1973 average.

Figure 1. A comparison of all four reconstructions. All are smoothed with 50 year moving averages except for the Ljungqvist (2010) reconstruction which is a decadal record. All have been shifted to a common baseline (1902-1973) to make them easier to compare. Ljungqvist(2010) is a decadal record.
As Figure 1 shows, the original Ljungqvist(2010) record is similar to Mann(2008) and Moberg(2005). A couple of years after publishing Ljungqvist(2010), Ljungqvist collaborated with Bo Christiansen and made the record labeled Christiansen(2012). It starts with the same proxies as Ljungqvist(2010), but uses a different method of combining the proxies into a temperature record that they call “LOC.”
In 2008, Michael Mann created several different proxy records, the one plotted in Figure 1 is the Northern Hemisphere EIV Land and Ocean record. EIV stands for “error-in-variables” and is a total least squares regression methodology. Mann states at the beginning of his paper that he would address the criticism (“suggestions”) in the 2006 National Research Council report (National Research Council, 2006). The result is a complex and hard to follow discussion of various statistical techniques used on various combinations of proxies. He doesn’t have one result, but many, then he compares them to one another.
Moberg (2005) also uses regression to combine his proxies but characterizes them by resolution to preserve more short-term variability. The statistical technique used by Ljungqvist in his 2010 paper is similar and called “composite-plus-scale” or CPS. This technique is also discussed by Mann in his 2008 paper and he found that it produced similar results to his EIV technique. Since these three records were created using similar methods, they all agree quite well.
Christiansen and Ljungqvist (2011 and 2012)
Everyone admits that using regression-type methods to combine multiple proxies into one temperature reconstruction reduces and dampens the temporal resolution of the resulting record. Instrumental (thermometer) measurements are normally accurately dated, at least down to a day or two. Proxy dates are much less accurate, many of them are not even known to the year. Those that are accurate to a year often only reflect the temperature during the growing season, during winter or during the flood season. Ljungqvist’s 2010 record is only decadal due to these problems.
Inaccurate dates, no matter how carefully they are handled, lead to mismatches when combining proxy records and result in unintentional smoothing and dampening of high-frequency variability. The regression process itself, leads to low-frequency variability, Christiansen and Ljungqvist write:
“[Their] reconstruction is performed with a novel method designed to avoid the underestimation of low-frequency variability that has been a general problem for regression-based reconstruction methods.”
Christiansen and Ljungqvist devote a lot of their paper to explaining how regression-based proxy reconstructions, like the three shown in Figure 1, underestimate low-frequency variability by 20% to 50%. They list many papers that discuss this problem. These reconstructions cannot be used to compare current warming to the pre-industrial era. The century-scale detail, prior to 1850, simply isn’t there after regression is used. Regression reduces statistical error, but at the expense of blurring critical details. Therefore Mann adding instrumental temperatures onto his record in Figure 1 makes no sense. You might as well splice a satellite photo onto a six-year-old child’s hand-drawn map of a town.
Christiansen and Ljungqvist make sure all their proxies have a good correlation to the local instrumental temperatures. About half their proxies have annual samples and half decadal. The proxies that correlate well with local (to the proxy) temperatures are then regressed against the local instrumental temperature record. That is the local temperature is the independent variable or the “measurements.” The next step is to simply average the local reconstructed temperatures to get the extratropical Northern Hemisphere mean. Thus, only minimal and necessary regression is used, so as not to blur the resulting reconstruction.
Discussion
Regression does reduce the statistical error in the predicted variable, but it reduces variability significantly, up to 50%. So, using regression to build a proxy temperature record to “prove” recent instrumental measured warming is anomalous is disingenuous. The smoothed regression-based records in Figure 1 show Medieval Warm Period (MWP) to Little Ice Age (LIA) cooling of about 0.8°C, this is more likely to be 1°C to 1.6°C, or more, after correcting for the smoothing due to regression. There is additional high-frequency smoothing, or dampening, of the reconstruction due to poorly dated proxies.
The more cleverly constructed Christiansen and Ljungqvist record (smoothed) shows a 1.7°C change, which is more in line with historical records, borehole temperature data, and glacial advance and retreat data. See Soon and colleagues 2005 paper for a discussion of the evidence (Soon, Baliunas, Idso, Idso, & Legates, 2003b). Christiansen and Ljungqvist stay much closer to the data in their analysis to avoid distorting it, this makes it easier to interpret. Figure 2 shows the same Christiansen and Ljungqvist 2012 curve shown in black in Figure 1 and the yearly Northern Hemisphere averages.

Figure 2. Christiansen and Ljungqvist 2012 50-year smoothed reconstruction and the one-year reconstruction. The black line is the same as in Figure 1, but the scale is different.
The one-year reconstruction is the fine gray line in Figure 2. It is a simple average of Northern Hemisphere values and is unaffected by regression, thus it is as close to the data as possible. Maximum variability is retained. Notice how fast temperatures vary from year-to-year, sometimes by over two degrees in just one year, 542AD is an example. From 976AD to 990AD temperatures rose 1.6°C. These are proxies and not precisely dated, so they are not exact values and take them with a grain of salt, but they do show us what the data say, because they are minimally processed averages.
The full range of yearly average temperatures over the 2,000 years shown is 4.5°C. The full range of values with the 50-year smoothing is 1.7°C. Given that nearly half of the proxies used are decadal, and linearly interpolated to one-year, I trust the 50-year smoothed record more than the yearly record over the long-term. But, seeing the variability in the one-year record is illuminating, it reinforces the foolishness of comparing modern yearly data to ancient proxies. Modern statistical methods and computers are useful, but sometimes they take us too far away from the data and lead to misinterpretations. I think that often happens with paleo-temperature reconstructions. Perhaps with modern temperature records as well.
It is quite possible that we will never know if past climatic warming events were faster than the current warming rate or not. The high-quality data needed doesn’t exist. What we do know for sure, is that regression methods, all regression methods, significantly reduce low-frequency variability. Mixing proxies with varying resolutions and imprecise dates, using regression, destroys high-frequency variability. Comparing a proxy record to the modern instrumental record tells us nothing. Figure 1 shows how important the statistical methods used are, they are the key difference in those records. They all have access to the same data.
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there is also Loehle’s reconstruction which well correlates to the Arctic’s magnetic field change
http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/LLa.htm
Thank you Andy – I’ve enjoyed your many articles and posts.
I’ve studied climate science since ~1985 and published since 2002. Climate is a fascinating subject and I’m pleased with my conclusions to date and those of others who publish here on wattsup and on several other sites.
However, I may have written my last article, although I’ll probably continue to comment on blogs. My reasons are:
1 I think I’ve sorted most of the major climate-and-energy technical issues in my papers published from 2002 to 2020.
2 It has been obvious for decades that there is no real climate crisis.
3 It has been obvious for more than a decade that the alleged climate crisis is not just false – it’s a scam.
4 The technical issues are no longer the main event – the greatest need today is to fight the scam – the phony linking of the Climate-and-Covid false crises, and the fraudsters’ full-Marxist solution – the “Great Reset” – aka “Live like a Chinese serf, under the heel of a dictator”.
Best personal regards, Allan
Thanks, Andy. A good presentation of data in the act of being tortured by some and analyzed by others. Your fig. 1 is the key for me, it shows 2,000 years of declining temperature interrupted by two warming events (at 2,000 years and modern). This is in keeping with sea level variance as I understand it, and is likely the actual situation, ie, the earth is sliding downward (in temperature) towards another glacial cycle in this Ice Age we live in. Let’s get as much CO2 into the atmosphere as we can, it is a buffer for humanity.
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Is it just me, or are the images missing?
Once again, if the y-axis were scaled honestly these foreboding lines would vanish.
See attached example.
I long ago concluded that most of the paleoclimate stuff is not fit for purpose. This includes Mann 2008 and Marcott 2013. The reason is basic. We know the GAST rise from ~1920-1945 is virtually indistinguishable from ~1975-2000. Yet even the IPCCAR4 said the former period was mostly natural; there simply was not enough rise in CO2. This raises the attribution problem about the latter period.
In order for paleoclimate to shed light on such matters, it needs something of an equivalent resolution. Such resolution simply is not there, either in the underlying proxies or in their statistical synthesis into a paleoclimate quesstimate. Essay Cause and Effectbin ebook Blowing Smoke deconstructs an example using Shakun’s 2012 paper. In the end, he produced an absurd statistical hash provable from the SI.
The best solution for an exercise in futility is to simply stop. But that would mean no more grants.
Thanks for another excellent article Andy – very clear presentation. If I understand correctly the choice of baseline is of no consequence to the relative comparison of the reconstructions, but I’m still left curious why you picked 1902-1973?
All you need to know about Mann08, and all the others mentioned in this article, can be found here at Climate Audit – Mann 2008
Andy, a good article. Regressions and averages both hide and smooth over critical knowledge of the data. Variability is often reduced to nothing by averaging and then smoothing.
I must disagree somewhat with one of your statements. “Regression does reduce the statistical error in the predicted variable, but it reduces variability significantly, up to 50%.”. Regression can cause error of its own that are statistical in nature. These are time series and one must be conscious of the assumptions when combining different series. Stationarity is one assumption that is often overlooked. Read the following on regressions for a little introduction.
https://www.stat.berkeley.edu/~stark/SticiGui/Text/regressionErrors.htm
I really wish more attention would be paid to the uncertainty of the temperature record. Take the interval between 1600 and 1900 in Figure 2. Most of the temperature averages are between -0.5C and -1.5C. That is the within the “nominal” uncertainty range of +/- 0.5C. Thus while the 50 year trace shows an uptick from 1600 to 1900 it could actually have been a down tick. You simply don’t know because of the uncertainty in the record.
Even worse, if those are annual averages then the uncertainty is guaranteed to be more than +/- 0.5C.
All those data lines should be made with a magic marker the width of 1C. I’ve attached a graphic showing the use of a 1C wide pencil to follow the temperatures in Fig 2. If you understand that your “temperature” line can be anywhere in the black area you can darn near draw a horizontal line from year 0 to year 2000 with only small dips at 1300 and 1600. If you increase the width of the uncertainty to +/- .8C (absolutely not unreasonable) then you *can* draw that horizontal line at 0C.
You simply can *not* assume that a stated or calculated quantity is 100% accurate. That should violate all rules of physical science – but apparently not for climate science.
Large uncertainties in temperature
Large uncertainties in time
Large uncertainty if tree ring are useful for temperature, at all.
Leave out those tree rings you can get something very different
Sea proxies also show a distinct warmer period.
Especially in the Arctic
Andy
Nice article
This graphic is taken from my article on the Intermittent little Ice age and uses CET (including my extension to 1539.
The graphic looks at the temperatures experienced in England over a 70 year life time. It bears a close resemblance to your figure 2. CET is often said to be a reasonable but not perfect proxy for at least the Northern Hemisphere and some argue a wider area.
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I made headlines!!!
We can fell Andy’s awkwardness from his writing ‘cos this paper does not confirm his assertions however hard he’s trying to push it. Two quotes below are from the conclusions’ section. The paper states many more times that its results are in agreement with previous work. IMHO it’s a refinement for extra-tropical NH.
Please note that we are 1C above the mid 20th century temperature, furthermore this paper is not a good choice against Mann w/r/t MWP (while it reconstructs a bit higher peak) for other reasons too:
Andy, being The Andy, cannot leave his characteristics. He is coming up with some tiring bs:
One is justifiably suspicious about these sudden 2C drops ‘cos this usually signifies strong volcanic eruptions, confirmed indeed for the 540s. This is above variability, and these events are well identifiable in proxies, nothing special for C&L2012.
More Andyisms:
Thank you, Andy. We didn’t know that. Now we do, thank you. Seriously, do you really believe scientists think a reconstructed temperature series is usable the same way as the instrumental record?
Current warming is way faster than what can be characterized as “low frequency”. And it’s getting even faster.
Any post discussing proxies should start with
McShane and Wyner
https://projecteuclid.org/euclid.aoas/1300715170
“In this paper, we assess the reliability of such reconstructions and their statistical significance against various null models. We find that the proxies do not predict temperature significantly better than random series generated independently of temperature.”
After they posted this in 2010, many groups including Mann and Schmidt commented.
I think it is very valuable to read through this story and most importantly the “rejoinder” where McShane and Wyner defend their findings against all criticism and particularly “destroy” the comment by Mann as his work seems to have math errors, coding errors and his numbers do not support the critique he is raising. All said and done, McShane and Wyners work stands and this unfortunately means all the papers you cite here are quite meaningless!
One of their biggest issue they raise, is quite easy to see really:
The process of proxy selection and screening is not adequately captured in the statistical modeling and thus the calculated number and uncertainties are quite meaningless..
Like exploring the sugar content of apples by harvesting in April..
So I went back to the C&L 2012 paper to look at the proxies used. They give a table of 91 proxies considered. What I find weird is just how many of them start at 1500, hence are not used. In fact, all but one or two either start at year 1 or 1500. Also, when you look at figure 3, you have to scratch your head and wonder what is the purposes of trying to combine such a diverse set of proxies into a single proxy. If there is a story to tell its in the differences among proxies through time. I view the paper as a complete waste of time.
Not being a scientist let alone a statistician if I were to attempt a global temperature reconstruction I would first decide what was a reliable global temperature proxy then collect sample measurements at random from the entire class, I suspect nothing meaningful would result.
Can anybody show me the graph of a single weather station thermometer that has been around since, say 1850, which would clearly depict a dire situation?
Even for comparison purposes, Mann’s abomination is not a viable reconstruction. Those that imitate or simulate Mann fall into the same/similar traps.
From: https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1204/1204.5871.pdf
“For this study, it is also of interest that one recent reconstruction (Christiansen and Ljungqvist 2012, CL12) includes a high percentage of east Asian proxies.
Contrasting to the possible orbital effects in high latitudes, there is no clear indication for a biasing effect of east Asian proxies.
However, in interpreting east Asian climate proxies some peculiarities have to be considered as for example the importance of the Tibetan Plateau as a source of elevated atmospheric heating and the relation of the (east) Asian summer monsoon to Pacific decadal variability (e.g. Chang 2000) and tropical Pacific SST-variability (e.g. Wang 2000)”
“He doesn’t have one result, but many, then he compares them to one another.”
“When you have many ‘standards,’ you don’t have a standard.” Spencer (1990)
I’ve seen several of these proxy arguments lately including one on Roy Spencer’s blog
I’m always amazed at the lengths the hockey team will go to to defend their stick as so many angels on a pinhead when there is evidence of forests under retreating glaciers and tree lines far higher up mountains or north into the tundra being clear unambiguous facts that it has been much warmer during the Holocene than it is today.
One called Entropy man stated that the proxies conclude that it is 0.4c warmer now than the Holocene optimum.
Pretty specific.
How do you argue with such people?
Andy wrote, “These reconstructions cannot be used to compare current warming to the pre-industrial era.”
These reconstructions are based on treemometers, and tree rings as proxies for temperatures going back hundreds of years is a F#$&ing joke and a fraud on science.
Good video:
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Trends in bristle cone pine tree ring width compared to tree widths from ten other sites in US:
http://www.climatedata.info/proxies/tree-rings/files/stacks_image_9787.png
The website menu also shows tree ring proxies from NH and SH showing no apparent trends 1600 – 2000.