Greta Thunberg: “we are not listening to climate scientists”

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to Greta Thunberg we listened to scientific advice about Covid-19, but for some reason we are ignoring advice from climate scientists and biodiversity specialists.

‘We cannot make it without science’: Greta Thunberg says climate experts are being ignored

Climate specialists not being listened to despite Covid showing importance of following science, activist says

PA Media
Wed 30 Dec 2020 02.42 AEDT

In a joint interview with the author Margaret Atwood, broadcast on BBC Radio 4 on Tuesday as part of the two-times Booker prize-winning writer’s guest-editing of the Today programme.

Thunberg was asked if the pandemic’s impact on people’s appreciation of science would have an effect on climate information.

“It could definitely have. I think this pandemic has shone a light on how … we are depending on science and that we cannot make it without science,” Thunberg said.

“But of course, we are only listening to one type of scientist, or some types of scientist, and, for example, we are not listening to climate scientists, we’re not listening to scientists who work on biodiversity and that, of course, needs to change.”

The environmental campaigner expressed scepticism when questioned about nations’ pledges to reduce their carbon emissions, such as China, which has committed to reach net zero by 2060.

“That would be very nice if they actually meant something,” Thunberg said. “We can’t just keep talking about future, hypothetical, vague, distant dates and pledges. We need to do things now. And also net zero … that is a very big loophole, you can fit a lot in that word ‘net’.”

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/dec/29/we-cannot-make-it-without-science-greta-thunberg-says-climate-experts-are-being-ignored

The BBC interview is available here.

Why don’t we treat all scientists equally? Because not all science is equal. In my opinion climate alarmists are in the same category as UFO experts and parapsychologists. Climate alarmists spin lots of wild theories, but their predictions of imminent doom are consistently falsified, and they have no compelling evidence to back their assertions that we should listen to their warnings.

The other participant in the interview, Margaret Atwood wrote The Handmaid’s Tale, a story told from the perspective of a sexual slave in a fictional US theocracy. In Atwood’s story the theocracy overthrew the Republic during a period of violent upheaval, after environmental collapse caused widespread famine and disease. The sexual slavery in Atwood’s fictional dystopia was justified through a vile interpretation of Genesis 30:1-3.

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Pauleta
December 30, 2020 6:03 pm

We listen to the scientists, and the climate scientists, the problem is the garbage they are saying and writing.

I am quite new here, so I have a question: Who’s the Fauci of CS?

tommyboy
Reply to  Pauleta
December 30, 2020 7:50 pm

My candidate for the Fauci of climate change?
Michael Mann

Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  Pauleta
December 30, 2020 8:02 pm

“Who’s the Fauci of CS?”
I would say Dr. Michael Mann (PSU), but he lacks Fauci’s gravitas and veracity which isn’t saying much! Mann is the MSM’s “go to” guy to spew climate scare stories when they need a talking (bald) head.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
December 31, 2020 11:09 am

What’s wrong with bald heads?

Ngallendou Dièye
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
December 31, 2020 12:22 pm

Nothing. They meant “bold faced” (liar).

Tom Halla
December 30, 2020 6:10 pm

Margaret Atwood in not one of my favorite authors, being a stereotype of a Canadian American-hating bigot. Besides the minor little fact that if anyone tried the coup in A Handmaid’s Tale in the US, they might actually survive the lynch mobs long enough to stand trial when they tried to take power, she confuses fundamentalist Protestants with Opus Dei.

PCman999
Reply to  Tom Halla
December 31, 2020 12:00 am

She confuses fundamentalists and Opus Dei (a Catholic devotional group!) with crazed communist nightmare caricatures of Christians. I still laugh when the Opus Dei ninjas in Da Vinci Code come up. I guess Mother Teresa was a master of kung fu and was arming the Untouchables after bathing and clothing them?

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Tom Halla
December 31, 2020 8:00 am

Actually, the society Atwood describes is Saudi Arabia. But, now that Muslims are magical special people who intersect above almost everyone, we cannot say that.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
January 1, 2021 7:00 am

Muslims are not magical, special people in communist China. The Chicoms have enslaved them.

So, where are all the Muslim nations of the world? Not one voice of complaint from the Muslim world about the savage treatment of the Muslims living in China, by the Chicoms. Crickets.

Fear is a powerful thing, isn’t it. Leftists and communists use fear as their “stock in trade”. It even works on fanatic Muslims, like the Mad Mullahs of Iran who are cooperating with the Chicoms rather than condemning them for their atrocities towards Chinese Muslims.

eck
December 30, 2020 6:35 pm

“Thunberg was asked if the pandemic’s impact on people’s appreciation of science would have an effect on climate information.” Really? Why would anyone thing this naive little (or not so) girl has any insight of an “impact on people’s appreciation of science”? Geez, now she’s a sage?

Gaz
Reply to  eck
December 31, 2020 3:02 am

I have a plant in my garden – it started off green but its foliage and stems rapidly revealed their real color – a deep red. It has dreadful spines and a poisonous fluorescent green yellow sap when cut. I just found out its biological name …. Thunbergai!! How appropriate.

Robertvd
Reply to  Gaz
December 31, 2020 8:32 am

Thunbergias are frequent garden escapes, becoming invasive species;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thunbergia

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Robertvd
December 31, 2020 9:53 am

I love thunbergias, always plant some in my garden. In Maui you see them covering hillsides

Bill Powers
Reply to  eck
January 1, 2021 7:26 am

There are so many false interpretations to her comments it is hard to list them all.. Suffice to say that beating the drums over state run propaganda is NOT science it is brainwashing. There is very little science being bandied about regarding COVID which is being used as a cudgel to bludgeon individual liberties around the globe and varies state to state in the USA

. The least reported or commented on COVID statistic in the never ending report and breathless hysterical tracking of contraction is:

a) the uncertainty and misrepresentation of mortality data surrounding this Lab made virus. It has been factually documented that COVID is incorrectly attributed as Cause of Death when it is not. This is not surprising when it is understood that here in the good old USA we pay big bucks for each and every COVID CoD and we triple the reward if they put the corpse on a ventilator before turning the body over to the morgue.

and b) the low mortality rate of best guesstimate (again they are not really using science here) of COVID despite greatly inflated false reporting that would have the casual observer believe that people were dropping dead in the street.

The best one I heard, the other day, was yeah but they THINK that COVID MIGHT boomerang and have long lasting affect. All that THINKING and MIIGHT, MAYBE, POSSIBLY, COULD BE theorizing without actual observation is what gets chalked up to SCIENCE these days in order to frighten the Children so the likes of GRETA can go on a tantrum throwing world tours with the aid of CNN and the rest of the Global (Warming) press.

SAMURAI
December 30, 2020 6:58 pm

Like the Handmaid’s Tale, CAGW is a wacky theocratic religion based on blind faith in false prophets, fabricated prophecies and fake news all in the pursuit of usurped power and profits.

George Daddis
Reply to  SAMURAI
December 31, 2020 7:40 am

Consistent with your religion analogy, they treat “science” as some unified amorphous, undefinable entity that must not be questioned; i.e. their version of the Bible, which in this instance is unwritten. Consensus scientists are their priests, only thru those “Sacred Wise Men” can the truth (settled science) be known.

Anyone showing skepticism is an apostate (denier).

As a religion they stress “belief”. Belief requires Faith. And Faith is defined as:
strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.”

That brings us full circle.

TheLastDemocrat
Reply to  George Daddis
December 31, 2020 7:56 am

Sorry. Your ignorance and Christophobia is showing.
We spend a great deal of time in Bible study class examining the Bible,. what it says, and the various types of support for our faith in God.

Making “faith” a synonym for “unsubstantiated belief” is an error on your part.

You have stayed in many a hotel room with a Bible – your for the taking. There are many websites covering the basis of Judeo-Christian beliefs.

“Faith” means that we have experienced and learned enough about God in enough specific examples to believe God, generally, in what he says. It is like generalized “trust.”

You might trust a neighbor to be a good dog-sitter, but unless you have a specific reason to trust that neighbor to do a good job mowing your lawn, you don’t have a reason to have faith that this dog-sitter neighbor can handle a wide range of tasks you could really use around the house.

Because of the way my parents raised me, plus me having run my own household for years, my parents have faith that if they need things done around their home if they go out of town, they can merely ask me, and I can handle it. They don’t need to review task by task.

LdB
Reply to  TheLastDemocrat
December 31, 2020 10:37 pm

So to be an expert do you have to get a degree in Judeo-Christian belief or do you just have to claim it like some climate scientists?

Roger
December 30, 2020 7:00 pm

Greta blinded me with science!

Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  Roger
December 30, 2020 8:03 pm

And yet she can SEE CO2.

Vicky
December 30, 2020 7:06 pm

Anyone that pledges anything 40 years ahead of time is to be taken seriously… Give me a break!

And anyone that predicts anything 40 years ahead of time would be the same story. Until we can control the wind, the clouds, the tectonic plate movements, and much more – let’s just leave Greta Girl on her own to find a new source of income.

glen ferrier
Reply to  Vicky
December 30, 2020 7:37 pm

Awe Vicky, I predict that in 40 years time we will have viable fusion power. In 2060 I will make the same prediction. I will be very old by then and probably babbling.

Cheers,

Speed

Vicky
Reply to  glen ferrier
December 30, 2020 10:13 pm

I do agree with you if case is recycled nuclear waste energy. They are working on it. I found out about it here, on this wonderful website. A work in progress.

Macha
Reply to  Vicky
December 31, 2020 12:44 am

Indeed. A lifetime of my energy use, if by nuclear, would fit in a grape. I’d need a forest of trees, acres of solar panels and windmills. A green no brainer.

Al Miller
December 30, 2020 7:10 pm

I listen to many experts and scientists, like Dr Patrick Moore, Dr Judith Curry, Mike Schellenberger, the list goes on and on.
I do not listen to Greta, Arnold, Leonardo, Gavin Newsom, any Canadian Liberal politician or the mass (propaganda) media.
In fact it is incredibly bad and in great error that so many so called experts are singing the party tune while blatantly spreading obvious falsehoods.
Is it any wonder that so many are disillusioned and skeptical when they are being lied to by their politicians and media (who ought to be working in the best interests of the citizens).

Newminster
Reply to  Al Miller
December 31, 2020 3:12 am

Poor old Michael Shellenberger! Nobody seems to be able to write his name without sticking a ‘c’ in it! I was taught that not spelling somebody’s name correctly is bad manners.

The rest of your comment I agree with. And from a politico-scientific point of view climate and Covid get more alike by the day. ‘Scientists’ can (and some do) say and write any old rubbish which politicians believe because they’re … well, scientists!!!

Robertvd
Reply to  Newminster
December 31, 2020 8:41 am

Well,scientists said the Earth was flat and the centre of the universe.

Barbara
Reply to  Robertvd
December 31, 2020 9:20 am

What? It’s not?

Gordon A. Dressler
December 30, 2020 7:18 pm

From a purely objective, fact-based evaluation, how specifically has “following the science” vis-a-vis fighting the COVID-19 pandemic actually benefited mankind? Many people throughout the world have submitted to the “science-based” recommendations to wear masks and practice social distancing and many business have been locked down based on “the science” of how to prevent the spread of the COVID-19 virus.

However, now after at least solid months of this, we are actually worse off than when the COVID-19 first raced around the world. Just look objectively at the news . . . record rates of infections and death from COVID-19 in the US, a new strain of COVID-19 in England and now in the US. New surges in other countries such as China.

And please don’t bother to tell me that “Well, it would have been worse if we had done nothing . . . wearing masks and social distancing helped slow the spread of this pandemic.” That is an untestable, unverifiable assertion which, of course, is based on GIGO computer modeling.

Greta is just plain wrong that “listening to the science” on COVID-19 made a meaningful difference . . . and she is flat out wrong that there is credible science on AGW or CAGW that would be helpful to humanity if followed.

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Derg
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
December 31, 2020 1:16 am

But Gordon can’t you see that the masks work? They protect you from me. The Fauci even blesses them. All the signs I see at the entrance to stores along with highway signs and media advertising reminding me to wear them. Ignore record cases and deaths per day…masks just plainly work.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Derg
December 31, 2020 7:08 am

But Derg, can you provide any objective, science-based data—any at all—that establishes under realistic social and cultural settings across various age groups that (a) wearing of masks of they types used by general populations; not medical-grade masks, and (b) the practice of “social distancing” as directed by medical personnel, such as maintain a six-foot distance from any other person, have been effective in slowing the spread of COVID-19?

You say that masks “work” and that they “protect you from me”. Maybe, maybe not. I am simply asking that you provide scientific data supporting that statement . . . and not that you simply parrot what you’ve heard/been told.

Until then, no, I see no objective data that says wearing masks, as practiced by mass society, “plainly work”.

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Dave
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
December 31, 2020 7:54 am

Well, Derg, sometimes you just have to include the /sarc to avoid being misunderstood.

Dave Fair
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
December 31, 2020 3:13 pm

It is my understanding that the latest studies show that lockdowns do slow transmission of the ChiCom flu. Masks, however, as worn by the general population, appear to have no general benefit. That logically makes sense.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
January 1, 2021 7:15 am

“can you provide any objective, science-based data—any at all—that establishes under realistic social and cultural settings across various age groups that (a) wearing of masks of they types used by general populations; not medical-grade masks,”

The masks I see worn by the general public are definitely not “medical grade-N95 masks, so it’s hard to tell how much protection they give.

I imagine even a less-effective mask gives some protection. At least they will prevent your breath from traveling as far as it would without a maks.

In the future, we may have other unknown viruses going around that are more lethal than the Wuhan virus, so it would probably be a good idea for everyone to get themselves a really good mask, such as one with replaceable filters and a full transparent face covering.

They might come in handy one of these days, and we don’t want to be caught with our pants down again, like we were this time.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Tom Abbott
January 1, 2021 6:01 pm

Tom,
Still looking for that objective, science-based data to support what you assert to be true.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
January 2, 2021 7:59 am

I’ve asserted a lot of things. 🙂 Which particular assertion are you addressing?

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
December 31, 2020 1:56 am

Seriously, it is not possible to say what the world would have been like without masks hygiene social distancing and lockdown, becuse no one had the courage to find out…whatever the true state of the seriousness of the diease, its certainly got politicians worried.
And, unlike climate change, they have actually undertaken measures that have some chance of reducing its impact.
If we want to continue to live in cities (why would we?) we run a hugely increased risk of dying from some disease. Unless we eschew public contact.

Derg
Reply to  Leo Smith
December 31, 2020 3:25 am

Leo we have 8ish billion people on this planet you will come in contact with someone. You may catch something really nasty, so the best defense is your immune system at it’s best. Living a shelter in place is no way of living for most of us non hermits.

Robertvd
Reply to  Derg
December 31, 2020 8:52 am

Just ask the indigenous people of America how they were decimated after 15 ka in isolation.

Robertvd
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
December 31, 2020 9:04 am

The same people who ‘believe’ in Michael Mann ‘believe’ in Fauci  even if none of their predictions came true.
I suppose the climate change story worked not fast enough to take away the last rights we have. Now they have achieved their goal in just a couple of months.

commieBob
December 30, 2020 7:34 pm

I guess you have to define what “listening to scientists” means. When you look at the wildly different approaches to the Wuflu around the world, it’s hard to argue that people are following medical science any better than they follow ‘climate science’ (sic). I would argue that our dear Greta just hasn’t been paying attention properly.

For what it’s worth: Scott Adams has noticed that the countries with the loudest talkers have the most problems with the Wuflu. LOL

John in Oz
December 30, 2020 7:35 pm

Why would any serious journalist ask questions of a troubled teenage girl rather than subject experts? (I have to assume – dangerous, I know – that Margaret Atwood a serious journalist?)

This is just a puff piece looking to keep the Thun(derpants)berg in the limelight and the scary stories in front of mind.

Fraizer
December 30, 2020 7:59 pm

Too funny. Anyone that says “Trust the science” or “Follow the science” has no idea what the true scientific method is.

Climate believer
Reply to  Fraizer
December 31, 2020 2:20 am

Absolutely Fraizer, they are talking about “Scientism” as practiced by the likes of Bill Nye et al. Science is not a religion.

Peta of Newark
December 30, 2020 8:07 pm

Greta is not any sort of problem.
Greta maybe has a problem with the functioning of her brain – whatever the Trust-Me-I’m-A-Doctor want to call it. No matter, it’s always something to make themselves sound ‘clever’ and ‘important’

But there is A Problem with Greta.
2 in fact
1) Trivial and that nothing can be done to correct, her Autism.
That it was created by poor diet of her mother, before, during and immediately after Gretas birth. That she indulged in a misguided attempt to Save The World by eating plants

2) The real problem is that nobody takes or has either, the empathy or the time to understand Greta.
(At this point, DO NOT confuse empathy with sympathy. Sympathy is Fake Empathy)

A truly gorgeous example came with my young autistic friend Sara, about 10 weeks ago.
We were in a large store and it was loaded to the gunnels with Christmas tat.
She was soooo excited at all the shiny baubles, decorations, toys etc etc

Down one of the aisles, Sara discovered a glass Christmas tree bauble/decoration had come off the shelf and had hit the floor. You know what they’re like. Ultra fragile and a nightmare when they break.
Sara was most concerned about this glass and made her attempt to clear it lest someone come along and hurt themselves.

This is Greta. Greta genuinely cares, exactly like my Sara does.

About critters, other people, plants & flowers and not least “Nature”
Plus, they are both painfully honest. They simply don’t know how to or see the point of dishonesty.

At which point a late middle-aged couple came down the aisle.
Their gait or body-language said something to Sara and in her rather blunt way (as per Greta), she asked them if they had broken the bauble.
It was entirely obvious that they hadn’t. We’d have heard the crash plus,we found it before they even showed up.

BUT, and this is the kicker, they couldn’t think of any way or responding to Sara.
Not a word. Completely dumbfounded.
They kept their eyes to the floor and shuffled as fast as anyone can shuffle to get away from her and the broken glass. They really did seem to want the Earth to open up and swallow them.
It was embarrassing to watch, from the end of the aisle where I was.
How a little girl could so reduce these ‘adults’ to socially dysfunctional mush?
(Were they mush before they even left home?)

Just Like Greta does to (what passes for these days) World Leaders
Turns them to dysfunctional mush who express bucket-loads of sympathy.

And THERE is The problem with Greta.
Not with her intrinsically herself, how nobody can handle her.

What’s happening to us all?
Early onset Alzheimer’s, chronic depression, Vitamin B or other nutrient shortage or what?

The World is sick and I’m not talking Covid.
I’m talking about The Response to Covid
and climate
and ozone holes
and diesel
etc

Maybe we see where Mr Trump went wrong, if you’d like to suggest he did go wrong
Mr Trump had empathy and that means being honest about things, even if it hurts.

Sympathy is Political Correctness. About mendacity and fakery.
Mr Trump didn’t ‘do’ sympathy but that is what everyone now wants/expects.
and money of course

And there’s another great thing about the Autistics, they don’t care about money.

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Peta of Newark
Reply to  Peta of Newark
December 30, 2020 8:22 pm

Now then.
If you read through that, what ‘evil’ thought went through your head?

Not evil as in evil evil, truly truly frightening…..

Graemethecat
Reply to  Peta of Newark
December 31, 2020 1:03 am

I strongly suspect the people who surround St Greta of Thunberg care deeply about money, especially about acquiring more of it. But then I’m just a cynical old cat.

Tom
December 30, 2020 8:15 pm

“you can fit a lot in that word ‘net’.”
I think the young lady is wising up. I wonder if she knows about net metering.

David S
December 30, 2020 8:29 pm

Maybe we should stop listening to petulant children.

saveenergy
Reply to  David S
December 31, 2020 12:35 am

& petulant adults (that covers most politicians) + the likes of Mann, Leonardo, Ferguson, etc

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gbaikie
December 30, 2020 8:37 pm

–We need to do things now. And also net zero … that is a very big loophole, you can fit a lot in that word ‘net’.”–

A net does have holes.

Well, the little psychopath should go after china- biggest CO2 emitter in World.
Has concentration camps and lots poor people without indoor plumbing.

The per capita thing, doesn’t matter, it should be per capita that have indoor plumbing, to have any meaning.
Why bear gifts to slave holders?

Patrick MJD
December 30, 2020 9:44 pm

We didn’t have the opportunity to “listen” to “COVID-19” scientists because mathematical computer modellers at the ICL convinced politicians there was a serious problem and the “solution” was inflicted upon people, pretty much globally. No debate, no choice, fines and arrest if in breach of “guidelines”, *NOT* laws.

Now the computer modelled “predictions” of these “scientists” have been shown to be, literally, fatally flawed, people are turning away from politically motivated “science”. After decades of “scientists” preaching to us doom and gloom driven by fossil fuels, it is no wonder people are not “listening” to “climate scientists”.

Gunga Din
December 30, 2020 10:11 pm

Greta is, what, 18 now? And a high school dropout?
That qualifies her as an authority on … what?

Alexy Scherbakoff
Reply to  Gunga Din
December 30, 2020 10:53 pm

She’s a teenager and therefore an authority on everything.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Alexy Scherbakoff
December 30, 2020 11:17 pm

Correction! A teenage female and thus an authority on everything. The old joke; I gave away my Encyclopedia Britannica collection after getting married, wife knows everything!

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Robertvd
Reply to  Patrick MJD
December 31, 2020 9:22 am

Just one problem, she is white. The wrong colour these days. No Snow White this year. This year Snow Black.

gringojay
Reply to  Gunga Din
December 30, 2020 11:08 pm

A year ago come New Years Eve the comedian Rosie Jones famously quipped Greta is “… amazing … she needs to live a little …. She should be doing two things – drinking Lambrini and getting … [redacted].”

Redge
Reply to  gringojay
December 31, 2020 1:47 am

Getting redacted sounds ruder than getting laid

Notanacademic
Reply to  gringojay
December 31, 2020 2:25 am

My guess is she hasn’t followed Rosie’s advice

High Treason
December 30, 2020 10:45 pm

Just 65 hours until Greta turns 18 and must relinquish her crown as the Child High Priestess of the Climate Cult of Doom and Gloom. Just what can she pull out in the next 65 hours to continue her legacy?
Once she turns 18, her fibs and tantrums will no longer be acceptable. In just 65 hours time, the Deep State will have to find a replacement puppet to promote the climate propaganda

Scissor
Reply to  High Treason
December 31, 2020 11:14 am

Couldn’t she grow up to be like Professor Mann?

High Treason
Reply to  High Treason
December 31, 2020 9:43 pm

Now down to 42 hours. The final countdown to the end of the Age of Thunbergeous. Will have to have a private celebration with Grehito cocktails – similar to a Mojito, but has added kiwifruit syrup for colour and a couple of drops of blue curacao.

Sunny
December 30, 2020 11:01 pm

Lets take way the money from the “specialists” and “scientists” then lets see who is worried about “climate change”….

How greta became the worlds climate specialist is as crazy as Pedophile Bill gates becoming the worlds vaccine specialist

Drake
Reply to  Sunny
December 31, 2020 9:28 am

Thanks for the “Pedophile Bill Gates” reference. Doing a little research. Amazing how the major media doesn’t tell all of the Epstein connections. And with TRUMP! going after pedophiles, no wonder the whole MSM is against him, they need their friends in power to feed them their stories, otherwise they would need to actually be journalists and do some work. And all those “friends” seem to have connections to Epstein.

Just a thought for the US Senate: Any Biden appointee with ANY connection to Epstein would be immediately rejected.

ATheoK
December 30, 2020 11:02 pm

A child with no substance; ignorant, uneducated, opinionated, makes it impossible to educate her.
A product of indoctrination from the time she learned to talk.

Every effort is made by Greta’s handlers to keep her in the spotlight. A spotlight where Greta loudly displays her utter ignorance.

In spite of Greta’s claims about listening to scientists, she does not. Greta only listens to her handlers.

Her handlers are guilty of child abuse. Greta should seek good legal counsel and then sue her handlers for the income they earned from pushing to spew nonsense on the global stage.

William Haas
December 30, 2020 11:16 pm

Greta, I am a scientist. Science is science. Despite the hype, there is no real evidence that CO2 has any effect on climate. There is plenty of scientific rationale to support the conclusion that the climate sensitivity of CO2 is zero. But even if we could somehow stop the Earth’s climate from changing, extreme weather events and sea level rise would continue unabated because they are part of the current climate. We do not even know what the optimum climate is let alone how to achieve it.

Nigel in California
Reply to  William Haas
December 31, 2020 8:02 pm

CO2 *does* change the climate; by providing more plant food all vegetation changes, thereby changing the climate on a large scale in many different ways over various time scales. Do the recent increases in CO2 result in a warmer world by means of a radiative GHE? Evidence points to no, not appreciably under the present conditions and settings. See Happer 2020. At least not appreciably by means of a radiative effect.

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Coeur de Lion
December 31, 2020 12:27 am

I’ve always thought A Handmaids Tale was a thoroughly unpleasant story and only gained notoriety through SEX. The film was worse.

Reply to  Coeur de Lion
December 31, 2020 2:00 am

I havent watched 50 Shades Of Grey, or Game Of Thrones, either.

Bruce Ranta
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
December 31, 2020 7:32 am

Attwood sucks. But the elites have picked her to be a great one. But the fact is her novels are very bad and most people have difficulty reading one to its finish.

Robert of Ottawa
December 31, 2020 1:10 am

Greta points out why we should not “listen to the scientists”. Economic ruin and dictatorship; that’s why we shouldn’t “listen to the scientists”, or, rather the UN.

Malcolm Robinson
December 31, 2020 2:13 am

It was reported recently that Greta told the Chinese to stop using chopsticks to save the trees. The Chinese replied that if Greta and her friends spent more time in school they may learn that chopsticks are made from bamboo which is a grass, not a tree. They went on to suggest that if Greta really wanted to save the trees she could stop using toilet paper.

Bruce Cobb
Reply to  Malcolm Robinson
December 31, 2020 3:30 am

Scoldylocks – SCHOOLED!

Drake
Reply to  Malcolm Robinson
December 31, 2020 9:32 am

Reuters did a fact check on that claim in May and declared it false. So it is about 50/50 that it is true.

December 31, 2020 3:49 am

Greta has to pay attention not to freeze, warm clothes will be necessary:

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Right-Handed Shark
December 31, 2020 5:08 am

The little twerp has no opinions of her own, and cannot function without a briefing or a script. She parrots out what Ingmar Rentzhog tells her. I have not listened to the interview, but I can guarantee that none of her responses were her own thoughts.

very old white guy
December 31, 2020 5:22 am

We should not be listening to any of them about anything.

Neo
December 31, 2020 7:21 am

Gee. The COVID-19 science experience is one for the books.
The Models are wrong. There are no real experts. And the front line doctors are censored by YouTube.
I don’t believe any of them.
What exactly am I supposed to take away to help the cult of Climate Change ?

Gordon A. Dressler
December 31, 2020 7:22 am

Just goes to show you the ego-correlated mental damage that results from being named Time’s Person of the Year (2019) at the age of 16.

Word has it that she’s now trying for a Nobel Prize before age 20.

No, I’m not taking bets.

Robertvd
December 31, 2020 8:26 am

She should have a private conversation with sniffing Joe about hot stuff.

Pat from kerbob
December 31, 2020 9:56 am

I keep hoping Greta will do something useful and come to Canada again and smote Trudeau with her staff, banishing him from middle earth for being in insufficiently woke

Laertes
December 31, 2020 10:00 am

And also net zero … that is a very big loophole, you can fit a lot in that word ‘net’

Humans emit CO2 by breathing. Greta doesn’t want any “loopholes” in CO2 emission. Greta doesn’t want you to breathe.

John the Econ
December 31, 2020 11:14 am

The upside to this madness is that when the world is eventually done dealing with the real crisis of Wuhan Flu and Progressives turn their attention back to their previously scheduled manufactured “climate crisis” that only exists exclusively within computer models that they approve of, people will be burned out on statist repression of their lives based upon sketchy predictions from professional fear mongers who live lives vastly different than the ones they advocate for the rest of us.

Javert Chip
December 31, 2020 12:01 pm

I can’t be the only one for whom the thrill & majesty of being hectored by a 17-year-old high school drop out (or the shadow group that writes for her…) has worn off.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Javert Chip
January 1, 2021 7:25 am

The Alarmists have ruined Greta’s life.

Doonman
December 31, 2020 12:41 pm

I never listen to scientists much as they are usually boring. I do read their papers however. Such is the value of an education that stressed independent thought instead of teaching lining up for a cult following.

huls
December 31, 2020 2:22 pm

What’s a Climate Science degree?

Hint 1: There is no such thing as Climate Science.
Hint 2: Greta does not go to school or study. She sits outside proclaming to school-strike. Punishable by law in my country btw.
Hint 3: Ask her why? She does not have answers to non-scripted questions as has been show many times.
Hint 4: Covid is a scam of the political kind. Even the WHO admits to that. HArldy a sound reference

Stephen Skinner
January 1, 2021 1:46 am

Demanding we listen to the scientists is not the same as looking at scientific evidence. Great scientists have presented evidence of proof of one truth or other and I’m not aware of any true scientist saying “listen to me, I’m a scientist, therefore you must believe what I say.”

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Stephen Skinner
January 1, 2021 7:30 am

“Demanding we listen to the scientists is not the same as looking at scientific evidence.”

And it assumes that all scientists are on the same page.

We should listen to scientists who know what they are talking about.

Not all scientists know what they are talking about, and some scientists deliberately lie about their (climate) science, so we should discriminate more carefully between the various scientists. None of them deserve automatic acceptance of their claims. Claims need evidence to substantiate them.

John Endicott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
January 4, 2021 8:49 am

Not only that, not even all scientists who know what they are talking about (and are honest) are in agreement as to conclusions drawn from the scientific evidence. Scientist can and do have valid and legitimate difference of opinion on what “the science” is showing them.

All “listening to the scientists” does is cede your ability to think for yourself over to someone else. It’s not the people (scientists) one should be paying attention to, it’s the evidence (or lack thereof) that backs up what they say.

alacran
January 1, 2021 3:19 am

Greta who?
A happy New Year to all friends of (non-cargo-cult-)science and WUWT !

2hotel9
January 1, 2021 9:09 am

“we are not listening to climate scientists” Good! They are a pack of morons, just like you, Gretal.

horatio doodlebug
January 1, 2021 5:23 pm

Stop listening to young Greta, she is only a mouthpiece for the zealots who abuse her.

2hotel9
Reply to  horatio doodlebug
January 2, 2021 9:14 am

All the adults using her should be arrested for child abuse.

High Treason
January 2, 2021 2:31 pm

Greta turns 18 in just half an hour. It will mark the tipping point for her. The immunities to fib and chuck tantrums end once she is deemed an adult. She must relinquish the mantle of Child High Priestess of the Climate Cult of Doom and Gloom.
She will revert to being an uneducated, mentally traumatised puppet of the Deep State.
Is there a replacement waiting in the wings? Will the public be gullible enough to buy it, especially with the turmoil in the US that is likely to start on January 6th?

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