Let’s all get together and send him begging letters, telling him we need money to pay the bills and put food on the table. He really is dumber than a box of rocks.
He might be more inclined to give us some money if we tell him we’ve an idea for a new vaccine that will stop us exhaling carbon dioxide, it’s not as daft as blocking out sunlight but you never know he might go for it.
Just last month, I received an email from a concerned member of the public who had yet another scheme for pumping cold benthic water to the surface to weaken hurricanes. I pointed out the problem with the scale needed but he just kept persisting that he could scale up. He seems to think that Uncle Sam just gives us a big bucket of money to carry out any weather modification studies we want. I eventually told him to contact Bill Gates and I haven’t heard from him since.
Unintended consequence: if you interrupt the hurricane you interrupt its work at removing heat from the hot ocean surace to space and thereby cause warming. You mix the warm water into the cooler subsurface water and retain the heat. We have had a pandemic of stupidity for about 5 decades. Geoengineering the planet is a symptom of this cerebral numbness.
It is always “Rob Peter to pay Paul” with him. Just look at some of his foundation investments.
The guy is a megalomaniac and like Soros the world won’t miss him when he finally falls off his perch.
privatisation of the sunlight.. it is based on the weird idea that even if prediction about rca are true..you d’ont have the right not to regard it as “bad” … even it is obviously good for you…
Privatisation of the right to life, more likely. I happen to have caught onto this idiot’s stupid new plan last year two years ago already. I was inspired to kotch up my own theory for Baal’s idiot idea to chemtrail us into submission. https://greenpets.co.za/index.php/en/paranoid-goy/213-planet-x
The longer Soros and Gates live, the more believable Icke becomes…
There is a movie called “Kill Bill” that sort of relates to this…..what if the Big Experiment is done and then…. a super volcano goes off? Can you say “New Ice Age”?
All our space junk is already increasing Earth’s reflectivity way more than Gates ever could.
Still pretty much insignificant.
Anyway, whatever materials or processes seek to disturb the hydrostatic equilibrium of our atmosphere their effect is always neutralised by convective adjustments otherwise atmospheres could not be retained long term.
The “convective adjustment” would also lead to a dryer climate. Less evaporation and less rain would cause some desertification. Maybe his real goal is to produce a worldwide famine to kill off billions of people.
Seeing the effect of the Mt Tambora volcano explosion in 1816 causing ‘the year without a summer’, that in fact lasted for 3 years, and resulted in widespread decline in agricultural production, how good would their ‘control knob’ need to be?
Yes, like so many of the misguided ideas of environmentalists, it’s a recipe for disaster. Their obsession over global warming as our greatest threat is dubious if not laughable, for the IPCC predicts the worst feature of warming will be only a very gradual rise in ocean levels over the next century. Faster plant growth is a far more significant feature of rising CO2 levels than warming, and they never mention this because it is mostly a good thing.
However, one negative feature of faster plant growth is a rise in the number and severity of wildfires due to excessive fuel buildup and overly restrictive regulations on attempts to manage this risk. If better forest management and fire prevention aren’t actively promoted, smoke levels may rise to a level that results in atmospheric cooling and could even result in the far greater threat of a new ice age.
“…one negative feature of faster plant growth is a rise in the number and severity of wildfires due to excessive fuel buildup…”
Hmmm, never gave that one any thought. Factoids like that are always welcome, but it’s up for grabs if our leftist friends in the press (Is there any other kind?) will report that. Probably not as I haven’t seen it so far.
It is definitely evil villain stuff. If Hollywood had any talent this would make a great movie fitting of our time. It certainly makes for a frightening reality.
WW3 has been in progress for a few years and the final battle is about to happen just as the general on the USA side has been replaced by someone who has [been paid to wave] a white flag.
The sun dimming thing is one of the dumbest green plans ever.
A study in 2018 of the impact of volcanic eruptions on crop yields showed injecting aerosols into the upper atmosphere reduces plant growth. Turns out plants need sunlight.
“A study…” Funny how a “study” based 100% on modelling can suddenly become credible, acceptable evidence if it supports the right narrative. Don’t get me wrong, I think their modelling, like most modelling, is probably pretty accurate. You obviously do too Eric.
Loydo, you actually think that “most modelling is probably pretty accurate”? You clearly have no understanding of computer modelling. I have been writing computer models for almost 50 years and I am very aware of their limitations. If even one of the assumptions used in a model is incorrect, the output from the model is worthless. This is especially true in climate modelling where there is an enormous range of modelled outcomes.
The model can be easily verified. Grow the same plant in multiple different shades of light. Check model against results. Repeat with different plants.
Unsurprisingly, anyone who tries to grow plants indoors knows this problem. Model not needed.
What is it about trolls and their belief that if one model is good, this proves that all models are good.
Then again, it’s not like Loydo has ever demonstrated an ability to think for itself.
@Worrall “The sun dimming thing is one of the dumbest green plans ever.”
Actually, it is absolutely essential to keep the ‘global warming’ narrative alive.
If the climate, on its own, suddenly quits warming, or actually starts cooling, then they can claim the sun dimming was successful, and saved the world etc.
1) Am in absolute agreement with Zoe.
Bill Gates was in the vanguard of sexually dysfunctional young males – boys who lacked self-confidence, any sense-of-humour and were generally shy and awkward in the presence of women.
So they turned to computers.
We can think of a few more now can’t we, esp those who set up the (haha) Social Media.
Pretty well = the definition of ‘Geek’
2) Anyone who has read my ravings on the subject of ‘dirt’ (NO, nothing to do with #1 above), I will say “Yes Mr Gates, bring it on” ##
Why:
Maybe, just maybe and not at all for the first time, Climate Science has got it all completely back-ass-wards.
You (may) know what I call volcanoes = “Fountains of Ambrosia” for plants.
Thus, maybe Pinataubo cooled the planet.
Inside Modern Science it certainly would because Everybody Expected It To
Via the clever sounding and misunderstood ‘aerosols’
Big hand for Lame Handstand for that bit of junk, along with the Truly Epic misunderstanding of Green House Gas
Maybe Mount Potato (how do you spell that Mr Gore?) fed the plants.
Maybe Mt. Potato lowered temps by raising the Earth’s albedo via the extra greenery it created.
Greenery having a typical albedo of 0.4 compared to 0.15 for dry dirt and 0.1 for wet dirt.
Maybe that’s why gardeners around the world recognise the value of ‘Rock Dust’
Why farmers recognise that sulphur is equally as important a fertiliser as nitrogen, phosphorus and potash
Why Scandinavian foresters were ‘disappointed’ when UK coal-burning power stations started scrubbing their flues – forest productivity dropped 20%
A lot of water soluble nitrogen floated over the Noth Sea too.
So yes, pump sulphur into the sky. It can only fall back down to earth and when it does, almost every plant down there is just waiting, begging and pleading for it.
They will reward you by becoming big, green, verdant and lush.
And have more protein inside them
Maybe also they are just gagging for all the dust, ash and smoke as well. Stuff we call ‘pollution’ – in the truly insane way we now refer to CO2 as pollution.
Complete madness has broken out.
(##) maybe there’s more to being A Contrarian than ‘just saying so’
Hi Peta,
For some years I did practical trials, factorial designs to measure the effects of various nutrients on plant growth. Sulphur was one of the key foods. Yet, in all this discussion about what falls from the atmosphere onto the plant kingdom, I can recall very little work. To me, it is one of the central easpects of plant nutrition, but I cannot learn much from recent work because it is either rare or hard to find, compared with other related topics like what CO2 can do.
Geoff S
In reference to Bill Gates “sexually dysfunctional young male-…” comment he is an Asperger’s Syndrome person, identified by many and verified by himself. This condition is now identified as “high-function Autism” due to the condition falling on the spectrum of fMRI studies. Persons so affected tend to be innovative thinkers because their brain patterns are not traditionally constrained. Also, they tend to go off down side roads without proper mental alerts on their part, ie, dim the sun.
According to your “dirt” theory, you would expect a dramatic greening of the earth soon after the ash from a huge volcanic eruption has settled across the planet Hasn’t been a big effect. In fact, there’s often a (temporary) reduction in crop yields from reduced sunlight and temperatures after the largest ash particles have settled but before the smallest particles have cleared. Your “dirt” theory doesn’t seem to hold up.
Steve Wood
December 30, 2020 12:18 am
The only Dim thing about this project is BG himself!
The official position of advocates of ‘The Cause,’ is that small variations in solar insolation has negligible effect on the climate and therefore the ‘Control Knob’ has to be CO2.
a happy little debunker
December 30, 2020 12:42 am
The Simpsons did it…
Alex
December 30, 2020 12:53 am
These “geoengineers” must be jailed.
Other countries should destroy their apparatus.
Errr… but isn’t dimming the sun going to reduce the output of all those ‘essential’ solar panels?
Vuk
December 30, 2020 1:59 am
Depriving people wherever they are especially those who live in high latitudes even of a small amount of natural sunshine is interfering with their human rights. Human rights warriors stand up, be counted and take your fight to Gate’s gates !
Ed Zuiderwijk
December 30, 2020 2:05 am
In criminal history this must be unique: the culprit announcing he is going to perpetrate a crime against humanity.
Irreversible géoengineering, what could possibly go wrong? Glaciation!
Try solar powered cloud making ships in the Pacific, totally reversible in two weeks. Just switch them off.
Harry Passfield
December 30, 2020 3:39 am
As much as I like Chinese food I don’t see that flooding the world with Dim Sun is the answer.
(then again, it could be a case of Yuk Sung)
Sara
December 30, 2020 4:52 am
Someone tell that dipstick Gates that you don’t mess with Mother Nature. She’s easily annoyed.
Does he WANT an ice age?
This is where Mother Nature says, “Be careful what you wish for, you might get it” and then she turns up and smacks that useless idiot up side his head.
From the man who brought us the “Blue Screen of Death” next will be his “Not So Blue Sky of Death”. What could possibly go wrong?
ozspeaksup
December 30, 2020 5:25 am
I see chinas planning weather modding to make the deserts get rain
wonder what the flow on effect in reduced rainfall for areas further over will be? because the rain they normally would get may be dropped elsewhere , low to no cloud etc?
Natalie
December 30, 2020 6:21 am
No one gets thrown out of office as long as the elections in the USA remain fixed.
TallDave
December 30, 2020 6:32 am
cooling a planet teetering on the edge of a fading interglacial
what could go wrong
max
December 30, 2020 6:34 am
It would be far easier, and safer, if Gates SAYS the project has gone forward, but actually does nothing. He can claim to have “stopped the warming”, while bilking the rest of us out of billions.
ResourceGuy
December 30, 2020 6:52 am
Actually Gates has a lot of experience with dampening. Microsoft has decades of experience in slowing down computing power with software overburden.
Kevin
December 30, 2020 7:03 am
Would some crooked accountant or investment advisor PLEASE infiltrate the Gates Foundation and embezzle or mal-invest their assets?
Tom Abbott
December 30, 2020 7:30 am
“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”, is the old saying, and is appropriate here.
The Earth’s atmosphere ain’t broke, Bill Gates. There is no need to fix it.
Before messing with the Earth’s sunlight, you should first establish that Human-caused Climate Change is real. This has never been done, so you are operating on a *huge* assumption, which appears to be easily disproven if all the evidence for the benign nature of CO2 is considered.
In other words: You are going off half-cocked, Bill. You are operating solely on assumptions and assertions from others. This is not a reason to block out the Sun.
Bill Powers
December 30, 2020 7:47 am
Two words “Unintended Consequences”
Any preventive action recommended by the Central Authoritarian Bureaucratic State and the mega wealthy, Blue Bloods and the Nouveau Riche that own them, should scare the shite outta ya.
You know, if say, North Korea were to suddenly announced they were going to block out the sunlight the Earth receives, for one reason or another, there would be war!
The other nations of the world, or at least a lot of them, would not be willing to allow North Korea to experiment with the Earth like that, and I would submit, that they would go to war to stop such an endeavor.
I think Bill Gates will have more trouble than he anticipates if he continues to try to manipulate sunlight.
I hear the Chicoms are planning some large experiments in the Earth’s atmosphere to try to increase rainfall. Going to a real war over the Earth’s climate and human stupidty associated with it, might become more realistic in the future.
Olen
December 30, 2020 7:59 am
Hold on there Lone Ranger, if a couple of degrees rise in temperature can push us over the edge what will a couple of degrees lower do? Dim the Sun, the Sun does that periodically on it’s own! And the lifetime of Gates or any of us is insignificant compared to the Sun.
An education will not necessarily guarantee good judgement and the ability to become very rich in an unrelated field does not guarantee good judgement.
I saw a presentation at a conference in Rome a few years ago about rigging ships with giant aerosol artillery that would suck up sea water and blast it into the atmosphere to create clouds to block the sun. At some point these clowns need to be given time-outs to ponder the error of their ways.
Over time, I’ve become increasingly convinced the consequences are not unintended.
TRM
December 30, 2020 9:03 am
I think Baal & Medusa Gates need to f’off and hide. He just keeps painting a bigger bullseye on himself.
DMacKenzie
December 30, 2020 9:15 am
We need a giant shiny-on-one-side venetian blind that automatically reflects more sunlight as the surface warms. Changing the Planet’s Albedo from .30 to .31 will cool by 1.6 C…..
Oops we already have that, called CLOUDS controlled by the vapor pressure of water at the ocean surface as that surface warms….problem solved.
Dan Tige
December 30, 2020 9:55 am
Well, I’m all for it as long as it does not make our northern latitudes colder or reduce the power coming to our solar panels.
Scott
December 30, 2020 10:28 am
Why not wait until the airplanes fill the sky’s again? Contrails anyone?
Ack
December 30, 2020 10:41 am
Where is the solar going to come from to power those millions of inefficient solar panels?
Best, by far, argument to question zillions of satellites that attempt to control solar insolation.
At least two or three SF novels last ten years have used the concept of controlling mother nature and then things go wrong. Some hot, some cold, some stormy.
Gums sends…
Robert of Texas
December 30, 2020 10:58 am
So they dim the light from the sun and a bunch of “unanticipated effects” end up killing a lot of people (likely a cold event). Then they get sued into oblivion. (Except of course it will be our government that implemented the idea and they claim its “just weather”)
paul courtney
December 30, 2020 10:58 am
The Mannians will quickly see this as unacceptable- it might fix AGW without re-distributing income. Mr. Gates doesn’t understand “the science”; the solution to AGW must include stopping people from doing what they want to do, especially stopping anything prosperous and beneficial to humans. We can’t save the planet without breaking a few eggs, you know. So greens will oppose Gates on this.
Gates may be able to convince them that blocking the sun will indeed increase human misery, and compromise- only disperse the sun-blocker at night. A wildly expensive ineffectual program, that’s the American way!
I don’t see the problem. If it turns out to be an unmitigated Climate disaster just press Ctrl/Alt/Delete and reset the system.
What could go wrong?
Kpar
December 30, 2020 12:44 pm
The Gates Plan: The rest of us starve in the cold and the dark.
Note to Bill- why not just throw a 10km wide asteroid at a sulfur-rich limestone deposit (Chicxulub, perhaps?)
Bernie Goetz
December 30, 2020 3:17 pm
Bad idea. Sunlight is needed to grow plants, even if it was practical to reduce sunlight. Present maps/diagrams like this one showing global solar heating are meaningless because they do not show ocean heating and land heating separately. Oceans are about 3/4 of the earth’s surface, and human water pollution dramatically affects the temperature of the upper ocean layer. Human water pollution is off the charts and the effects are obvious along all coasts and particularly asian river: The oceans viewed from space show large algae blooms almost everywhere near human population or some industries. Algae blooms are caused by polluted water. Clean water reflects most sunlight but algae evolved to absorb sunlight. Ocean dead zones are similar: The darker water absorbs more sunlight than clean water. Oceans are 75% of the planet surface and direct solar heating is the biggest effect on ocean temperature. The modern world uses the oceans as a convenient toilet. Now even the Ganges has dead zones. These dead zones are caused by water pollution, not CO2.
Ocean surface temperature rise is just one symptom of water pollution. Human water pollution consists of: human biological waste, farm waste, phosphates, nitrates, plastics, garbage, toxic industrial wastes from chemicals to oil, carcinogens, not nice, etc. This water pollution is what causes ocean oxygen depletion, dead zones, acidification, algae blooms, and artificial rising ocean temperature. More efficient treatment of sewage and agricultural runoff is needed even if the population is greatly reduced. Plus conscientious economic ways of handling industrial waste. Perhaps the worst untreatable stuff could go to some badlands if it doesn’t hurt the water table. Using the oceans generally as a toilet is the problem. Cheap, efficient waste disposal and water treatment are desirable.
markl
December 30, 2020 5:27 pm
People with too much money and delusions of grandeur are dangerous.
Yes, they are, and we seem to have an overabundance of them at this moment in time.
No one
December 30, 2020 6:24 pm
All geoengineering experiments should first be done in a separate sandbox to isolate the effects of ‘unintended consequences’. Mars awaits.
Should put off some of this foolishness for a couple centuries at least. By then a large enough holodeck could just run simulations. The proponents could watch from inside, with the emergency exit lights turned off.
Happy New Year.
Melissa
December 30, 2020 6:51 pm
Bill Gates needs to be taken down. He is out to kill as many is possible. So many crimes against humanity.
kramer
December 30, 2020 8:50 pm
Part of me thinks this is a stunt by Gates designed to show the world he really believes in global warming and therefore, a carbon tax is needed (where the bulk of the funds flowing into government coffers via carbon taxes would come from the middle class, thereby getting the rich off the hook to be taxed at a higher rate).
Tombstone Gabby
December 30, 2020 9:30 pm
I notice “cloud seeding” in the diagram.
Quote:
As in the case of all scientific research, the several groups and individuals who are working in this field have criticized one another’s experiments and interpretations. This normal scientific interchange has been unduly accentuated by the glare of publicity which has caused some of those concerned to be more dogmatic than is justifiable in view of the present incomplete information.
In the view of the public the meteorological world has been divided into believers and nonbelievers. This is an unfortunate and ridiculous concept. The fact is simply that the information at hand is not sufficient to permit an unequivocal conclusion regarding the possibilities of the artificial control of precipitation.
End Quote.
“An Appraisal of Cloud Seeding as a Means of Increasing Precipitation”. Henry G. Houghton, Head of the Department of Meteorology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology. From “The Smithsonian Report For 1951”, reprinted in “Smithsonian Treasury of 20th-Century Science”, 1966.
So, what’s changed in 70 years?
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David
December 31, 2020 3:51 am
Dimming the sun will reduce the radiation that humans need to create vitamin D which is vital for an effective immune system. Without the sun being “dimmed” those living in the northern hemisphere are largely Vitamin D deficient which in turn means poor immune systems. Dim the sun and millions of people will have to take supplements every day – check to see if greedy Gates is cunningly busy in the area of making vitamin pills.
ResourceGuy
December 31, 2020 6:42 am
Simon says you will all look like Seattle weather, no debate.
Jim
December 31, 2020 7:20 am
Gate knows nothing about science and climate yet uses his BIG MONEY to do whatever he imagines the world needs him to do to be our savior. BULL. Lock him up and discard the key.
aelfheld
December 31, 2020 8:46 am
Man’s been watching too many movies. Ice ages aren’t nearly the fun they’re cracked up to be.
Paul C
December 31, 2020 8:47 am
However, I thought that the UN convention on biodiversity had a long-standing (non-binding) moratorium on geo-engineering – specifically with regard to climate. This was primarily used to attack the ocean fertilisation experiments which, in fact, appear to have only produced benefits to the marine ecology. Ocean fertilisation is only tenuously described as geo-engineering as some of the increased biological activity was expected to seqester some carbon componds on the sea floor. It would be just as credible to label agriculture as geo-engineering. As for re-forestation, well that is clearly geo-engineering with the aim of affecting bio-deversity! Whereas the Gates plan is geo-engineering for its own sake.
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Chas
December 31, 2020 1:42 pm
This brings to mind the old joke:
Qu: How many Microsoft engineers does it take to change a lightbulb?
Answer: None, Bill Gates just redefines the meaning of Darkness.
🙂
The indisputable LAW of photosynthesis:
Sun +H20 +CO2 +Minerals = Sugars(food) + O2
When you add more CO2 on the left side of the equation, there is an irrefutable proportional increase on the right side of production of good things for life. We are not even close to maxing out on those benefits.
When you subtract/take away some Sun on the left side of the equation, you also have a loss of production of good things for life on the right side in many situations.
Every animal on this planet eats plants or something that ate plants. CO2 is the building block of life. Sunshine provides all the energy for life on this planet.
Isnt it it ironic that people that are supposedly going to save the greening planet and life on it, have strategies that involve taking away from a couple of items that life cherishes most.
The optimal level of CO2 for most life on this planet is around 900 parts per million…….more than double the current level.
Life wants MUCH more CO2. The booming biosphere and massively greening planet is life screaming this out loud and clear.
Instead of getting this message and making decisions based on observations, biology, agronomy, zoology, honest climate science/meteorology, we instead have decided to use computer simulations of a potential future atmosphere based on a speculative theory that has flawed mathematical equations which double the amount of CO2 sensitively compared to the amount that has now been accuratelymeasured.
But they can’t adjust those busted models and use better equations to improve their skill because then there would be no crisis.
There must be a climate crisis to justify the Climate Accord, The Green New Deal, carbon taxes, scientific and related project funding, and similar purely political endeavors.
The truth, that we are in the early stages of the current climate optimum, similar to the 4 previous climate optimums the past 10,000 years would obliterate the entire justification for using CO2 to redistribute global wealth via the climate accord as well as achieving sustainable development by crushing, the over consuming, robust economies that are fueled by cheap, reliable and efficient fossil fuels.
The scary, worst case but very unlikely model projection outcomes are needed to justify schemes like this by Bill Gates. This is not authentic science. Climate science was hijacked over 30 years ago for the political causes.
99%+ of people don’t understand climate and can’t use personal expertise to see thru the scientific constant snake oil bombarding them from the information gate keepers.
Our youngest generation has heard nothing but climate crisis/emergency and CO2 is pollution for 30 years.
.The science was settled a long time ago. Debate over. The truth has been censored.
TheBigGuy
December 31, 2020 6:43 pm
The reason he is doing this is because the warmanistas will need to show a reason why the planet hasnt dangerously warmed : “Its because we injected our magic pixie dust into the sky! You need us”
Gbees
December 31, 2020 7:11 pm
Gates needs to be stopped from interfering with nature before he does damage.
Want to hear a rich genius talk blatant, anti science ignorance? Bill Gates gets an F in science. Radical left has taken over teaching at almost every college. More on brainwashing. AOC and her climate religion cult. They use scary words but no data because the data shows them wrong. I show the data. November 2019 https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/42610/
I suspect Gates gets no sex from his wife.
That’s a dude, dude.
Behind every meglomaniac is a cold woman. Fact.
That would be a divorce settlement to be determined.
I don’t blame her, but I wish she would maybe he’d chill out and do something genuinely useful and charitable with his money
Let’s all get together and send him begging letters, telling him we need money to pay the bills and put food on the table. He really is dumber than a box of rocks.
He might be more inclined to give us some money if we tell him we’ve an idea for a new vaccine that will stop us exhaling carbon dioxide, it’s not as daft as blocking out sunlight but you never know he might go for it.
Just last month, I received an email from a concerned member of the public who had yet another scheme for pumping cold benthic water to the surface to weaken hurricanes. I pointed out the problem with the scale needed but he just kept persisting that he could scale up. He seems to think that Uncle Sam just gives us a big bucket of money to carry out any weather modification studies we want. I eventually told him to contact Bill Gates and I haven’t heard from him since.
Unintended consequence: if you interrupt the hurricane you interrupt its work at removing heat from the hot ocean surace to space and thereby cause warming. You mix the warm water into the cooler subsurface water and retain the heat. We have had a pandemic of stupidity for about 5 decades. Geoengineering the planet is a symptom of this cerebral numbness.
It is always “Rob Peter to pay Paul” with him. Just look at some of his foundation investments.
The guy is a megalomaniac and like Soros the world won’t miss him when he finally falls off his perch.
They have been together for 33 years. Even the hottest fire burns low.
We know they were intimate at least once, he got ADell
Indeed! It’s because it’s micro soft!
I don’t think he wants any
privatisation of the sunlight.. it is based on the weird idea that even if prediction about rca are true..you d’ont have the right not to regard it as “bad” … even it is obviously good for you…
Privatisation of the right to life, more likely. I happen to have caught onto this idiot’s stupid new plan
last yeartwo years ago already. I was inspired to kotch up my own theory for Baal’s idiot idea to chemtrail us into submission.https://greenpets.co.za/index.php/en/paranoid-goy/213-planet-x
The longer Soros and Gates live, the more believable Icke becomes…
I expect he got the idea from Monty Burns…
Griff,
Not as amusing as most of your posts, but still funny.
Fight Climate Fear. Warmer is Better.
Hubris x Money x ignorance = determination to throw shiny stuff into atmosphere because …global warming.
There is a film called “Snowpiercer” that sort of touches on this.
There is a movie called “Kill Bill” that sort of relates to this…..what if the Big Experiment is done and then…. a super volcano goes off? Can you say “New Ice Age”?
Or if the Sun cools down…
Gates: While secure in his bunker, anything to kill as many as possible in one fell swoop.
He can always burn money to keep warm.
It’s all
onjust paperAll our space junk is already increasing Earth’s reflectivity way more than Gates ever could.
Still pretty much insignificant.
Anyway, whatever materials or processes seek to disturb the hydrostatic equilibrium of our atmosphere their effect is always neutralised by convective adjustments otherwise atmospheres could not be retained long term.
The “convective adjustment” would also lead to a dryer climate. Less evaporation and less rain would cause some desertification. Maybe his real goal is to produce a worldwide famine to kill off billions of people.
Is he trying to bring on the next ice age?
I seem to remember in the sixties we were going to blacken the ice to avoid a new ice age 🙁
I remember that.
Well, I thought that was to melt icebergs in shipping lanes. You might be right, though…
“… Plan to Dim The Sun’s Rays …”
What could possibly go wrong?
Seeing the effect of the Mt Tambora volcano explosion in 1816 causing ‘the year without a summer’, that in fact lasted for 3 years, and resulted in widespread decline in agricultural production, how good would their ‘control knob’ need to be?
StephenP December 30, 2020 3:49 am
I’ve given your comment a little over a minute, and it still doesn’t make sense.
Twould need to be very precise and reversible once the next Milankovitch cycle kicks in
The Krakatoa eruption in 1883 had the same effect over 5 years. Blew half the island into the sky.
Yes, like so many of the misguided ideas of environmentalists, it’s a recipe for disaster. Their obsession over global warming as our greatest threat is dubious if not laughable, for the IPCC predicts the worst feature of warming will be only a very gradual rise in ocean levels over the next century. Faster plant growth is a far more significant feature of rising CO2 levels than warming, and they never mention this because it is mostly a good thing.
However, one negative feature of faster plant growth is a rise in the number and severity of wildfires due to excessive fuel buildup and overly restrictive regulations on attempts to manage this risk. If better forest management and fire prevention aren’t actively promoted, smoke levels may rise to a level that results in atmospheric cooling and could even result in the far greater threat of a new ice age.
“…one negative feature of faster plant growth is a rise in the number and severity of wildfires due to excessive fuel buildup…”
Hmmm, never gave that one any thought. Factoids like that are always welcome, but it’s up for grabs if our leftist friends in the press (Is there any other kind?) will report that. Probably not as I haven’t seen it so far.
If you go to temperature.global you will see:
What global warming?
What climate emergency?
Seems that just the thought was enough to cool the earth back to 14C
Where is the original James Bond, when we need him?
Sadly, Big Tam’s deid… 🙁
New Bondian villain, Ernest Stavro Gates.
I thought that was “Ernst”. You got the last name right, though.
It is definitely evil villain stuff. If Hollywood had any talent this would make a great movie fitting of our time. It certainly makes for a frightening reality.
Of all the issues that could start WW3, this has to be at the top of the list.
No need for WW3 …
a few well placed assassinations would do
Exactly, because the Russians want it to warm their frozen land.
There’s a reason Canadians do not (much) worry about Global Warming…
They’ve got Justin for that, he’s got it covered.
You missed it then
WW3 has been in progress for a few years and the final battle is about to happen just as the general on the USA side has been replaced by someone who has [been paid to wave] a white flag.
The sun dimming thing is one of the dumbest green plans ever.
A study in 2018 of the impact of volcanic eruptions on crop yields showed injecting aerosols into the upper atmosphere reduces plant growth. Turns out plants need sunlight.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/08/09/climate-geoengineering-oops-injecting-sulphates-into-the-stratosphere-to-reflect-sunlight-would-starve-crops-of-sunlight/
“A study…” Funny how a “study” based 100% on modelling can suddenly become credible, acceptable evidence if it supports the right narrative. Don’t get me wrong, I think their modelling, like most modelling, is probably pretty accurate. You obviously do too Eric.
OMG, the same Loy idiot that can’t produce a skerrick of evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2..
……. thinks plant don’t need sunlight.
How much more PERSISTENTLY DUMB and BLATANTLY IGNORANT can a person or trollette get !!!
What is it about plant BIOLOGY that you don’t comprehend, loopy-loy ?
Increase atmospheric CO2 => Increase plant growth
Decrease sunshine => Decrease plant growth
Please try not to show your ignorance of EVERY SINGLE FACET OF EXISTENCE in every single post you make !!
Loydo, you actually think that “most modelling is probably pretty accurate”? You clearly have no understanding of computer modelling. I have been writing computer models for almost 50 years and I am very aware of their limitations. If even one of the assumptions used in a model is incorrect, the output from the model is worthless. This is especially true in climate modelling where there is an enormous range of modelled outcomes.
Don’t confuse science models with modelling
BTW, Loydo, do you have any pets?
He used to keep a Triffid,
but it died of veganism…
The model can be easily verified. Grow the same plant in multiple different shades of light. Check model against results. Repeat with different plants.
Unsurprisingly, anyone who tries to grow plants indoors knows this problem. Model not needed.
What is it about trolls and their belief that if one model is good, this proves that all models are good.
Then again, it’s not like Loydo has ever demonstrated an ability to think for itself.
the study wasn’t a model you tool … it was comparing eruptions to crop yields … not modeled eruptions to modeled crop yields …
@Worrall
“The sun dimming thing is one of the dumbest green plans ever.”
Actually, it is absolutely essential to keep the ‘global warming’ narrative alive.
If the climate, on its own, suddenly quits warming, or actually starts cooling, then they can claim the sun dimming was successful, and saved the world etc.
Leave…the sky…..alone!
um, bit late for that.
co2 is just going back where it came from. There’s no ”engineering” behind it. It’s perfectly natural.
no ”engineering”?
Hoisting 1.5 billion tonnes into the air didn’t take some engineering?
You must be making a distinction between good engineering and bad engineering.
Scuttle off and find out the total mass of the atmosphere. Then return and tell us what percentage of the total 1.5 billion tonnes is.
Loydo can’t do math. Feelz are important to it.
Fire takes engineering?
Don’t you get tired of losing every single argument?
There is a lesson in there somewhere……
Humans haven’t, until this monumentally stupid idea, done anything but replenish much needed CO2.. We have cleaned up most real air pollution.
Your WHOLE LIFE depends on that CO2, mindless drone
If you HATE CO2 .. you HATE LIFE.
The beneficial CO2 we have released back into the shorter term CARBON CYCLE has not caused ANY changes in climate.
Prove me wrong, empty sock..
1… Do you have any empirical scientific evidence for warming by atmospheric CO2?
2… In what ways has the global climate changed in the last 50 years , that can be scientifically proven to be of human causation?
Loydo are you a Malthusian?
1) Am in absolute agreement with Zoe.
Bill Gates was in the vanguard of sexually dysfunctional young males – boys who lacked self-confidence, any sense-of-humour and were generally shy and awkward in the presence of women.
So they turned to computers.
We can think of a few more now can’t we, esp those who set up the (haha) Social Media.
Pretty well = the definition of ‘Geek’
2) Anyone who has read my ravings on the subject of ‘dirt’ (NO, nothing to do with #1 above), I will say “Yes Mr Gates, bring it on” ##
Why:
Maybe, just maybe and not at all for the first time, Climate Science has got it all completely back-ass-wards.
You (may) know what I call volcanoes = “Fountains of Ambrosia” for plants.
Thus, maybe Pinataubo cooled the planet.
Inside Modern Science it certainly would because Everybody Expected It To
Via the clever sounding and misunderstood ‘aerosols’
Big hand for Lame Handstand for that bit of junk, along with the Truly Epic misunderstanding of Green House Gas
Maybe Mount Potato (how do you spell that Mr Gore?) fed the plants.
Maybe Mt. Potato lowered temps by raising the Earth’s albedo via the extra greenery it created.
Greenery having a typical albedo of 0.4 compared to 0.15 for dry dirt and 0.1 for wet dirt.
Maybe that’s why gardeners around the world recognise the value of ‘Rock Dust’
Why farmers recognise that sulphur is equally as important a fertiliser as nitrogen, phosphorus and potash
Why Scandinavian foresters were ‘disappointed’ when UK coal-burning power stations started scrubbing their flues – forest productivity dropped 20%
A lot of water soluble nitrogen floated over the Noth Sea too.
So yes, pump sulphur into the sky. It can only fall back down to earth and when it does, almost every plant down there is just waiting, begging and pleading for it.
They will reward you by becoming big, green, verdant and lush.
And have more protein inside them
Maybe also they are just gagging for all the dust, ash and smoke as well. Stuff we call ‘pollution’ – in the truly insane way we now refer to CO2 as pollution.
Complete madness has broken out.
(##) maybe there’s more to being A Contrarian than ‘just saying so’
Hi Peta,
For some years I did practical trials, factorial designs to measure the effects of various nutrients on plant growth. Sulphur was one of the key foods. Yet, in all this discussion about what falls from the atmosphere onto the plant kingdom, I can recall very little work. To me, it is one of the central easpects of plant nutrition, but I cannot learn much from recent work because it is either rare or hard to find, compared with other related topics like what CO2 can do.
Geoff S
Geoff
What is missing in serpentinites that it only supports sparse, specialized plant life?
In reference to Bill Gates “sexually dysfunctional young male-…” comment he is an Asperger’s Syndrome person, identified by many and verified by himself. This condition is now identified as “high-function Autism” due to the condition falling on the spectrum of fMRI studies. Persons so affected tend to be innovative thinkers because their brain patterns are not traditionally constrained. Also, they tend to go off down side roads without proper mental alerts on their part, ie, dim the sun.
…or take off school every Friday “In Protest”.
Another idea where the consequences if fully implemented were not thought out.
Very interesting 🤔
Maybe the jocks were on to something when they would beat the crap out of the nerds in the locker room.
According to your “dirt” theory, you would expect a dramatic greening of the earth soon after the ash from a huge volcanic eruption has settled across the planet Hasn’t been a big effect. In fact, there’s often a (temporary) reduction in crop yields from reduced sunlight and temperatures after the largest ash particles have settled but before the smallest particles have cleared. Your “dirt” theory doesn’t seem to hold up.
The only Dim thing about this project is BG himself!
That should make solar panels more efficient
Doesn’t an attempt to dim incoming sunlight imply that the sun actually has an effect on climate?
In fairness, Kevin, I don’t think anybody is saying the sun has no effect on climate.
The official position of advocates of ‘The Cause,’ is that small variations in solar insolation has negligible effect on the climate and therefore the ‘Control Knob’ has to be CO2.
The Simpsons did it…
These “geoengineers” must be jailed.
Other countries should destroy their apparatus.
Errr… but isn’t dimming the sun going to reduce the output of all those ‘essential’ solar panels?
Depriving people wherever they are especially those who live in high latitudes even of a small amount of natural sunshine is interfering with their human rights. Human rights warriors stand up, be counted and take your fight to Gate’s gates !
In criminal history this must be unique: the culprit announcing he is going to perpetrate a crime against humanity.
I do believe this type of activity could easily be considered terrorism. Any plans along these lines should lead to his arrest.
He is mad.
This could actually be a brilliant idea, if you want to reduce the global population to 300 million. Sarc
…powered by Microsoft Joke…
Microsoft Woke
Irreversible géoengineering, what could possibly go wrong? Glaciation!
Try solar powered cloud making ships in the Pacific, totally reversible in two weeks. Just switch them off.
As much as I like Chinese food I don’t see that flooding the world with Dim Sun is the answer.
(then again, it could be a case of Yuk Sung)
Someone tell that dipstick Gates that you don’t mess with Mother Nature. She’s easily annoyed.
Does he WANT an ice age?
This is where Mother Nature says, “Be careful what you wish for, you might get it” and then she turns up and smacks that useless idiot up side his head.
From the man who brought us the “Blue Screen of Death” next will be his “Not So Blue Sky of Death”. What could possibly go wrong?
I see chinas planning weather modding to make the deserts get rain
wonder what the flow on effect in reduced rainfall for areas further over will be? because the rain they normally would get may be dropped elsewhere , low to no cloud etc?
No one gets thrown out of office as long as the elections in the USA remain fixed.
cooling a planet teetering on the edge of a fading interglacial
what could go wrong
It would be far easier, and safer, if Gates SAYS the project has gone forward, but actually does nothing. He can claim to have “stopped the warming”, while bilking the rest of us out of billions.
Actually Gates has a lot of experience with dampening. Microsoft has decades of experience in slowing down computing power with software overburden.
Would some crooked accountant or investment advisor PLEASE infiltrate the Gates Foundation and embezzle or mal-invest their assets?
“If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”, is the old saying, and is appropriate here.
The Earth’s atmosphere ain’t broke, Bill Gates. There is no need to fix it.
Before messing with the Earth’s sunlight, you should first establish that Human-caused Climate Change is real. This has never been done, so you are operating on a *huge* assumption, which appears to be easily disproven if all the evidence for the benign nature of CO2 is considered.
In other words: You are going off half-cocked, Bill. You are operating solely on assumptions and assertions from others. This is not a reason to block out the Sun.
Two words “Unintended Consequences”
Any preventive action recommended by the Central Authoritarian Bureaucratic State and the mega wealthy, Blue Bloods and the Nouveau Riche that own them, should scare the shite outta ya.
You know, if say, North Korea were to suddenly announced they were going to block out the sunlight the Earth receives, for one reason or another, there would be war!
The other nations of the world, or at least a lot of them, would not be willing to allow North Korea to experiment with the Earth like that, and I would submit, that they would go to war to stop such an endeavor.
I think Bill Gates will have more trouble than he anticipates if he continues to try to manipulate sunlight.
I hear the Chicoms are planning some large experiments in the Earth’s atmosphere to try to increase rainfall. Going to a real war over the Earth’s climate and human stupidty associated with it, might become more realistic in the future.
Hold on there Lone Ranger, if a couple of degrees rise in temperature can push us over the edge what will a couple of degrees lower do? Dim the Sun, the Sun does that periodically on it’s own! And the lifetime of Gates or any of us is insignificant compared to the Sun.
An education will not necessarily guarantee good judgement and the ability to become very rich in an unrelated field does not guarantee good judgement.
It can be so cheap to accomplish: just stop desulfurizing jetfuel for airliners.
Gates could turn out to be the biggest mass murderer in history.
Gates will never get that far. This is all a pipe dream. Bill has been smoking the good stuff.
At what point does this sort of action constitute a direct and imminent threat to life?
Playing God never works. There is a law of unintended consequences.
I saw a presentation at a conference in Rome a few years ago about rigging ships with giant aerosol artillery that would suck up sea water and blast it into the atmosphere to create clouds to block the sun. At some point these clowns need to be given time-outs to ponder the error of their ways.
Here is an article from 2017 discussing that same idea
https://www.washington.edu/news/2017/07/25/could-spraying-particles-into-marine-clouds-help-cool-the-planet/
The question they should have asked is: Is the planet overheating, requiring drastic measures to fix?
The answer is: No.
Over time, I’ve become increasingly convinced the consequences are not unintended.
I think Baal & Medusa Gates need to f’off and hide. He just keeps painting a bigger bullseye on himself.
We need a giant shiny-on-one-side venetian blind that automatically reflects more sunlight as the surface warms. Changing the Planet’s Albedo from .30 to .31 will cool by 1.6 C…..
Oops we already have that, called CLOUDS controlled by the vapor pressure of water at the ocean surface as that surface warms….problem solved.
Well, I’m all for it as long as it does not make our northern latitudes colder or reduce the power coming to our solar panels.
Why not wait until the airplanes fill the sky’s again? Contrails anyone?
Where is the solar going to come from to power those millions of inefficient solar panels?
Salute!
Best, by far, argument to question zillions of satellites that attempt to control solar insolation.
At least two or three SF novels last ten years have used the concept of controlling mother nature and then things go wrong. Some hot, some cold, some stormy.
Gums sends…
So they dim the light from the sun and a bunch of “unanticipated effects” end up killing a lot of people (likely a cold event). Then they get sued into oblivion. (Except of course it will be our government that implemented the idea and they claim its “just weather”)
The Mannians will quickly see this as unacceptable- it might fix AGW without re-distributing income. Mr. Gates doesn’t understand “the science”; the solution to AGW must include stopping people from doing what they want to do, especially stopping anything prosperous and beneficial to humans. We can’t save the planet without breaking a few eggs, you know. So greens will oppose Gates on this.
Gates may be able to convince them that blocking the sun will indeed increase human misery, and compromise- only disperse the sun-blocker at night. A wildly expensive ineffectual program, that’s the American way!
Will this extend the ski season?
Brings to mind the so-called ‘cobra effect’.
I don’t see the problem. If it turns out to be an unmitigated Climate disaster just press Ctrl/Alt/Delete and reset the system.
What could go wrong?
The Gates Plan: The rest of us starve in the cold and the dark.
Note to Bill- why not just throw a 10km wide asteroid at a sulfur-rich limestone deposit (Chicxulub, perhaps?)
Bad idea. Sunlight is needed to grow plants, even if it was practical to reduce sunlight. Present maps/diagrams like this one showing global solar heating are meaningless because they do not show ocean heating and land heating separately. Oceans are about 3/4 of the earth’s surface, and human water pollution dramatically affects the temperature of the upper ocean layer. Human water pollution is off the charts and the effects are obvious along all coasts and particularly asian river: The oceans viewed from space show large algae blooms almost everywhere near human population or some industries. Algae blooms are caused by polluted water. Clean water reflects most sunlight but algae evolved to absorb sunlight. Ocean dead zones are similar: The darker water absorbs more sunlight than clean water. Oceans are 75% of the planet surface and direct solar heating is the biggest effect on ocean temperature. The modern world uses the oceans as a convenient toilet. Now even the Ganges has dead zones. These dead zones are caused by water pollution, not CO2.
Ocean surface temperature rise is just one symptom of water pollution. Human water pollution consists of: human biological waste, farm waste, phosphates, nitrates, plastics, garbage, toxic industrial wastes from chemicals to oil, carcinogens, not nice, etc. This water pollution is what causes ocean oxygen depletion, dead zones, acidification, algae blooms, and artificial rising ocean temperature. More efficient treatment of sewage and agricultural runoff is needed even if the population is greatly reduced. Plus conscientious economic ways of handling industrial waste. Perhaps the worst untreatable stuff could go to some badlands if it doesn’t hurt the water table. Using the oceans generally as a toilet is the problem. Cheap, efficient waste disposal and water treatment are desirable.
People with too much money and delusions of grandeur are dangerous.
Yes, they are, and we seem to have an overabundance of them at this moment in time.
All geoengineering experiments should first be done in a separate sandbox to isolate the effects of ‘unintended consequences’. Mars awaits.
Should put off some of this foolishness for a couple centuries at least. By then a large enough holodeck could just run simulations. The proponents could watch from inside, with the emergency exit lights turned off.
Happy New Year.
Bill Gates needs to be taken down. He is out to kill as many is possible. So many crimes against humanity.
Part of me thinks this is a stunt by Gates designed to show the world he really believes in global warming and therefore, a carbon tax is needed (where the bulk of the funds flowing into government coffers via carbon taxes would come from the middle class, thereby getting the rich off the hook to be taxed at a higher rate).
I notice “cloud seeding” in the diagram.
Quote:
As in the case of all scientific research, the several groups and individuals who are working in this field have criticized one another’s experiments and interpretations. This normal scientific interchange has been unduly accentuated by the glare of publicity which has caused some of those concerned to be more dogmatic than is justifiable in view of the present incomplete information.
In the view of the public the meteorological world has been divided into believers and nonbelievers. This is an unfortunate and ridiculous concept. The fact is simply that the information at hand is not sufficient to permit an unequivocal conclusion regarding the possibilities of the artificial control of precipitation.
End Quote.
“An Appraisal of Cloud Seeding as a Means of Increasing Precipitation”. Henry G. Houghton, Head of the Department of Meteorology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology. From “The Smithsonian Report For 1951”, reprinted in “Smithsonian Treasury of 20th-Century Science”, 1966.
So, what’s changed in 70 years?
Dimming the sun will reduce the radiation that humans need to create vitamin D which is vital for an effective immune system. Without the sun being “dimmed” those living in the northern hemisphere are largely Vitamin D deficient which in turn means poor immune systems. Dim the sun and millions of people will have to take supplements every day – check to see if greedy Gates is cunningly busy in the area of making vitamin pills.
Simon says you will all look like Seattle weather, no debate.
Gate knows nothing about science and climate yet uses his BIG MONEY to do whatever he imagines the world needs him to do to be our savior. BULL. Lock him up and discard the key.
Man’s been watching too many movies. Ice ages aren’t nearly the fun they’re cracked up to be.
However, I thought that the UN convention on biodiversity had a long-standing (non-binding) moratorium on geo-engineering – specifically with regard to climate. This was primarily used to attack the ocean fertilisation experiments which, in fact, appear to have only produced benefits to the marine ecology. Ocean fertilisation is only tenuously described as geo-engineering as some of the increased biological activity was expected to seqester some carbon componds on the sea floor. It would be just as credible to label agriculture as geo-engineering. As for re-forestation, well that is clearly geo-engineering with the aim of affecting bio-deversity! Whereas the Gates plan is geo-engineering for its own sake.
This brings to mind the old joke:
Qu: How many Microsoft engineers does it take to change a lightbulb?
Answer: None, Bill Gates just redefines the meaning of Darkness.
🙂
The indisputable LAW of photosynthesis:
Sun +H20 +CO2 +Minerals = Sugars(food) + O2
When you add more CO2 on the left side of the equation, there is an irrefutable proportional increase on the right side of production of good things for life. We are not even close to maxing out on those benefits.
When you subtract/take away some Sun on the left side of the equation, you also have a loss of production of good things for life on the right side in many situations.
Every animal on this planet eats plants or something that ate plants. CO2 is the building block of life. Sunshine provides all the energy for life on this planet.
Isnt it it ironic that people that are supposedly going to save the greening planet and life on it, have strategies that involve taking away from a couple of items that life cherishes most.
The optimal level of CO2 for most life on this planet is around 900 parts per million…….more than double the current level.
Life wants MUCH more CO2. The booming biosphere and massively greening planet is life screaming this out loud and clear.
Instead of getting this message and making decisions based on observations, biology, agronomy, zoology, honest climate science/meteorology, we instead have decided to use computer simulations of a potential future atmosphere based on a speculative theory that has flawed mathematical equations which double the amount of CO2 sensitively compared to the amount that has now been accuratelymeasured.
But they can’t adjust those busted models and use better equations to improve their skill because then there would be no crisis.
There must be a climate crisis to justify the Climate Accord, The Green New Deal, carbon taxes, scientific and related project funding, and similar purely political endeavors.
The truth, that we are in the early stages of the current climate optimum, similar to the 4 previous climate optimums the past 10,000 years would obliterate the entire justification for using CO2 to redistribute global wealth via the climate accord as well as achieving sustainable development by crushing, the over consuming, robust economies that are fueled by cheap, reliable and efficient fossil fuels.
The scary, worst case but very unlikely model projection outcomes are needed to justify schemes like this by Bill Gates. This is not authentic science. Climate science was hijacked over 30 years ago for the political causes.
99%+ of people don’t understand climate and can’t use personal expertise to see thru the scientific constant snake oil bombarding them from the information gate keepers.
Our youngest generation has heard nothing but climate crisis/emergency and CO2 is pollution for 30 years.
.The science was settled a long time ago. Debate over. The truth has been censored.
The reason he is doing this is because the warmanistas will need to show a reason why the planet hasnt dangerously warmed : “Its because we injected our magic pixie dust into the sky! You need us”
Gates needs to be stopped from interfering with nature before he does damage.
Want to hear a rich genius talk blatant, anti science ignorance? Bill Gates gets an F in science. Radical left has taken over teaching at almost every college. More on brainwashing. AOC and her climate religion cult. They use scary words but no data because the data shows them wrong. I show the data. November 2019
https://www.marketforum.com/forum/topic/42610/
What happened to the fusion project Gates?