Reposted from Dr. Judith Curry’s Climate Etc.
Posted on October 10, 2020 by curryja |
The scientific method remains the best way to solve many problems, but bias, overconfidence and politics can sometimes lead scientists astray
It’s been awhile since I have been so struck by an article that I felt moved to immediately do a blog post. Well, maybe because today is Saturday and it is one day after the landfall of Hurricane Delta, I actually have a half hour to do this.
Matt Ridley has published an article in the WSJ What the pandemic has taught us about science, that is highly relevant for climate change as well as for Covid-19. It is excellent, I agree with and endorse every word of this.
The paper is behind paywall; Dan Hughes kindly sent me a topic of the text. Here are extensive excerpts
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The Covid-19 pandemic has stretched the bond between the public and the scientific profession as never before. Scientists have been revealed to be neither omniscient demigods whose opinions automatically outweigh all political disagreement, nor unscrupulous fraudsters pursuing a political agenda under a cloak of impartiality. Somewhere between the two lies the truth: Science is a flawed and all too human affair, but it can generate timeless truths, and reliable practical guidance, in a way that other approaches cannot.
In a lecture at Cornell University in 1964, the physicist Richard Feynman defined the scientific method. First, you guess, he said, to a ripple of laughter. Then you compute the consequences of your guess. Then you compare those consequences with the evidence from observations or experiments. “If [your guess] disagrees with experiment, it’s wrong. In that simple statement is the key to science. It does not make a difference how beautiful the guess is, how smart you are, who made the guess or what his name is…it’s wrong.”
So when people started falling ill last winter with a respiratory illness, some scientists guessed that a novel coronavirus was responsible. The evidence proved them right. Some guessed it had come from an animal sold in the Wuhan wildlife market. The evidence proved them wrong. Some guessed vaccines could be developed that would prevent infection. The jury is still out.
Seeing science as a game of guess-and-test clarifies what has been happening these past months. Science is not about pronouncing with certainty on the known facts of the world; it is about exploring the unknown by testing guesses, some of which prove wrong.
Bad practice can corrupt all stages of the process. Some scientists fall so in love with their guesses that they fail to test them against evidence. They just compute the consequences and stop there. Mathematical models are elaborate, formal guesses, and there has been a disturbing tendency in recent years to describe their output with words like data, result or outcome. They are nothing of the sort.
An epidemiological model developed last March at Imperial College London was treated by politicians as hard evidence that without lockdowns, the pandemic could kill 2.2 million Americans, 510,000 Britons and 96,000 Swedes. The Swedes tested the model against the real world and found it wanting: They decided to forgo a lockdown, and fewer than 6,000 have died there.
In general, science is much better at telling you about the past and the present than the future. As Philip Tetlock of the University of Pennsylvania and others have shown, forecasting economic, meteorological or epidemiological events more than a short time ahead continues to prove frustratingly hard, and experts are sometimes worse at it than amateurs, because they overemphasize their pet causal theories.
A second mistake is to gather flawed data. On May 22, the respected medical journals the Lancet and the New England Journal of Medicine published a study based on the medical records of 96,000 patients from 671 hospitals around the world that appeared to disprove the guess that the drug hydroxychloroquine could cure Covid-19. The study caused the World Health Organization to halt trials of the drug.
It then emerged, however, that the database came from Surgisphere, a small company with little track record, few employees and no independent scientific board. When challenged, Surgisphere failed to produce the raw data. The papers were retracted with abject apologies from the journals. Nor has hydroxychloroquine since been proven to work. Uncertainty about it persists.
A third problem is that data can be trustworthy but inadequate. Evidence-based medicine teaches doctors to fully trust only science based on the gold standard of randomized controlled trials. But there have been no randomized controlled trials on the wearing of masks to prevent the spread of respiratory diseases (though one is now under way in Denmark). In the West, unlike in Asia, there were months of disagreement this year about the value of masks, culminating in the somewhat desperate argument of mask foes that people might behave too complacently when wearing them. The scientific consensus is that the evidence is good enough and the inconvenience small enough that we need not wait for absolute certainty before advising people to wear masks.
This is an inverted form of the so-called precautionary principle, which holds that uncertainty about possible hazards is a strong reason to limit or ban new technologies. But the principle cuts both ways. If a course of action is known to be safe and cheap and might help to prevent or cure diseases—like wearing a face mask or taking vitamin D supplements, in the case of Covid-19—then uncertainty is no excuse for not trying it.
A fourth mistake is to gather data that are compatible with your guess but to ignore data that contest it. This is known as confirmation bias. You should test the proposition that all swans are white by looking for black ones, not by finding more white ones. Yet scientists “believe” in their guesses, so they often accumulate evidence compatible with them but discount as aberrations evidence that would falsify them—saying, for example, that black swans in Australia don’t count.
Advocates of competing theories are apt to see the same data in different ways. Last January, Chinese scientists published a genome sequence known as RaTG13 from the virus most closely related to the one that causes Covid-19, isolated from a horseshoe bat in 2013. But there are questions surrounding the data. When the sequence was published, the researchers made no reference to the previous name given to the sample or to the outbreak of illness in 2012 that led to the investigation of the mine where the bat lived. It emerged only in July that the sample had been sequenced in 2017-2018 instead of post-Covid, as originally claimed.
These anomalies have led some scientists, including Dr. Li-Meng Yan, who recently left the University of Hong Kong School of Public Health and is a strong critic of the Chinese government, to claim that the bat virus genome sequence was fabricated to distract attention from the truth that the SARS-CoV-2 virus was actually manufactured from other viruses in a laboratory. These scientists continue to seek evidence, such as a lack of expected bacterial DNA in the supposedly fecal sample, that casts doubt on the official story.
By contrast, Dr. Kristian Andersen of Scripps Research in California has looked at the same confused announcements and stated that he does not “believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.” Having checked the raw data, he has “no concerns about the overall quality of [the genome of] RaTG13.”
As this example illustrates, one of the hardest questions a science commentator faces is when to take a heretic seriously. It’s tempting for established scientists to use arguments from authority to dismiss reasonable challenges, but not every maverick is a new Galileo.
Peer review is supposed to be the device that guides us away from unreliable heretics. Investigations show that peer review is often perfunctory rather than thorough; often exploited by chums to help each other; and frequently used by gatekeepers to exclude and extinguish legitimate minority scientific opinions in a field.
Herbert Ayres, an expert in operations research, summarized the problem well several decades ago: “As a referee of a paper that threatens to disrupt his life, [a professor] is in a conflict-of-interest position, pure and simple. Unless we’re convinced that he, we, and all our friends who referee have integrity in the upper fifth percentile of those who have so far qualified for sainthood, it is beyond naive to believe that censorship does not occur.” Rosalyn Yalow, winner of the Nobel Prize in medicine, was fond of displaying the letter she received in 1955 from the Journal of Clinical Investigation noting that the reviewers were “particularly emphatic in rejecting” her paper.
The health of science depends on tolerating, even encouraging, at least some disagreement. In practice, science is prevented from turning into religion not by asking scientists to challenge their own theories but by getting them to challenge each other, sometimes with gusto. Where science becomes political, as in climate change and Covid-19, this diversity of opinion is sometimes extinguished in the pursuit of a consensus to present to a politician or a press conference, and to deny the oxygen of publicity to cranks. This year has driven home as never before the message that there is no such thing as “the science”; there are different scientific views on how to suppress the virus.
Anthony Fauci, the chief scientific adviser in the U.S., was adamant in the spring that a lockdown was necessary and continues to defend the policy. His equivalent in Sweden, Anders Tegnell, by contrast, had insisted that his country would not impose a formal lockdown and would keep borders, schools, restaurants and fitness centers open while encouraging voluntary social distancing. At first, Dr. Tegnell’s experiment looked foolish as Sweden’s case load increased. Now, with cases low and the Swedish economy in much better health than other countries, he looks wise. Both are good scientists looking at similar evidence, but they came to different conclusions.
Prof. Ritchie argues that the way scientists are funded, published and promoted is corrupting: “Peer review is far from the guarantee of reliability it is cracked up to be, while the system of publication that’s supposed to be a crucial strength of science has become its Achilles heel.” He says that we have “ended up with a scientific system that doesn’t just overlook our human foibles but amplifies them.”
Organized science is indeed able to distill sufficient expertise out of debate in such a way as to solve practical problems. It does so imperfectly, and with wrong turns, but it still does so.
How should the public begin to make sense of the flurry of sometimes contradictory scientific views generated by the Covid-19 crisis? The only way to be absolutely sure that one scientific pronouncement is reliable and another is not is to examine the evidence yourself. Relying on the reputation of the scientist, or the reporter reporting it, is the way that many of us go, and is better than nothing, but it is not infallible. If in doubt, do your homework.
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“Anthony Fauci, the chief scientific adviser in the U.S., was adamant in the spring that a lockdown was necessary and continues to defend the policy”
…are we talking about take a cruise, have a political rally, go to the mall, movie theatre, gym……don’t wear a mask, China’s delay in transparency …….Fauci?
that Fauci?
This “article” just repeats the same bull crap……
An entire article about the fraud of Mickey Mann and never a mention of his name.
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Science is one of four logical domains. Science is, with cause, a philosophy and practice in the near-domain, forward, backward, and all around, forced by chaos (e.g. evolution) that limits human perception by virtue of what is known, unknown, cannot be known and computationally unwieldy.
Religion is a behavioral protocol, a philosophy given by God, gods, and mortal gods. Faith (i.e. trust), a logical domain, is separable but complementary to religion (e.g. individual dignity, intrinsic value, inordinate worth). Everyone has a religion, The popular religion of our age, which its proponents normalize as ostensibly “secular”, is Pro-Choice, selective, opportunistic, relativistic, politically congruent (“ethics”), practiced by liberals (i.e. divergent – typically generational – ideology) and liberal sects of the Progressive Church. Principles… axioms matter.
The evidence for masks in general use is not “common sense”, but rather intuitive and expedient, cargo cult science. Not only do masks have variable effectiveness that varies with composition, construction, attachment, but also in space (e.g. context) and time. Even in specialized use, they must be carefully used, disposed, with knowledge of their limitations.
Postoperative wound infections and surgical face masks: a controlled study
At best, they offer some protection (e.g. symptomatic forced expulsions, large particulates) or a placebo effect (i.e. unproductive). At worst, they are counterproductive. In our current pandemic, we reached suppression level before mandates, and observed recurring spikes several weeks after mandates ere enforced. Reducing safe sanctuary and an effective planned pathogen protocol happen through prevention, but are sustainable through immunity (e.g. preexisting, intrinsic, acquired).
HCQ is proven to be an effective cellular “border guard” in vitro. It has a low risk, well-established risk profile. It has been observed to have a high degree of correlation to mitigate disease progression in use and trials throughout the world. It complements the the body’s defenses. It is most effective when consumed early following ingestion of the virus, in a cocktail that includes Zinc (i.e. reproductive inhibitor), and perhaps Az (i.e. mitigate infection and inflammation).
The pandemic has reminded us that inference (i.e. created knowledge) is a poor substitute for deduction in the scientific method. Also, the traditional guidance: multiple, independent resources to reduce false positives, false negatives, misinformation, and other fallacies, and to approach the truth from facts, rather than the facts from truth.
If you wear a mask, believe it is an effective barrier, don’t forget your goggles. The eyes are a window to contagion.
That said, based on the epidemiology of the pathogen, it is likely that the transmission modes have been mischaracterized, they are symptom-dependent, context-sensitive, and the probable infection route is fecal/oral. Wash your hands, limit your interaction with black holes, and follow best practices for hand to mouth, to nose, to eyes interaction. Oh, and be wary of Planned Parent facilities (i.e. cross-contamination), the leading cause of excess deaths, and unsanitary environments (e.g. Water Closets). You should probably avoid Planned Parenthood, too, which is a leading cause of excess deaths in what is otherwise “normal” times.
Good article.
An a priori assumption, a guess, hopefully educated, starts the ball rolling, then a test is developed, a procedure, usually in the form of a physical mechanism.
When this is done, science has a good track record.
Controlled laboratory experiments where different physical conditions can be controlled and adjusted to see what effect those changes cause is another way to say observation & measurement.
But climate at this time can’t be replicated in the laboratory.
That’s the problem.
It’s true in astronomy, as well, certainly beyond our solar system.
And many aspects of geology are the same way.
It’s interesting and astounding that as advanced as humanity is regarding technology, in many ways we are blind to the reality around us because of group-think in the scientific academy.
And, in certain industries, as well, where scientific experiments are lacking.
This Ridley statement is not true “But there have been no randomized controlled trials on the wearing of masks to prevent the spread of respiratory diseases”. Based upon my review of the literature (5 meta analyses, 3 on cloth and 2 comparing cloth to N95, one published in JAMA and another published by the CDC in May of this year) there are a minimum of 2 ca 10,000 participant controlled studies of the efficacy of masks limiting the spread of upper respiratory viruses like flu and covid. Both of them (and all 5 meta analyses essentially concluded that wearing masks made no difference. Overall neither cloth or N95 masks are useful. Except as instruments of fear and control.
Good catch, William! I suggest you forward your information to Lord Ridley.
What the pandemic has taught us about science.
What have we learned? Nothing.
(Depends on who “we” is. Some of us have learned a lot.)
Much of the problem is the press. Often they will simply not inform the public of real scientific papers that challenge the leftist agenda. They blindly agree with Fauci and play down what happened in Sweden. Also the fact that Fauci played down human to human transmission early on was not reported enough in the press. On this point he was flat out incorrect.
When a new phenomenon like Covid happens people are too quick to jump out and give opinions that are not based on any evidence. It is based to choose your words carefully and prefix what you say with this is your hypothesis instead of stating it as fact.
Meant “it is best”
Let me correct the record:
There are MANY ways to do science. Feynman’s method is one variation. There is observation, there is experimentation, there is quantitative and non-quantitative, there are hypothesis-based and multiple-working-hypotheses or no hypothesis, there is modeling, and probably another half a dozen more philosophies/methods I haven’t listed. There is the preponderance-of-evidence method that is common in environmental and climate sciences.
Feynman’s version elevates falsification as a central tenant. That is not as common of a philosophy as one might think. In fact, falsification is probably a minority practice from what I have seen in 25 years as a professional PhD ecologist.
I saw one comment that climate models aren’t science. LOL.
Climate models — like all computer models — are primarily a reflection of the biases of the researcher. With the best will in the world YOU decide the program, YOU decide the parameters, YOU decide the data. You own the result. And sometimes you even say “why should I let you see my working when all you want is to find something wrong with it?”
Not so — I want you to find something wrong with it. Especially I want you to find what is wrong with it when year after year your results are at odds with reality. And more especially when your discipline as a whole eschews observation, ie real world evidence, and pretends that “evidence” is what comes out of the program YOU wrote and ran with YOUR selection of data.
You may call what you do by any name you like but please don’t insult any of the Greats of the last half-millennium by calling it “science”.
archie wrote: “I saw one comment that climate models aren’t science. LOL.”
Climate models are only as good as the observations & measurements that go into the model.
Plus, not only the observations & measurements, themselves, but the “assumptions” that go toward how the physical substances observed & measured will behave. Science simply doesn’t have a good grasp of how those substances (CO2, water vapor, the sun’s rays, ect.) act in the atmosphere.
archie, I suggest your various definitions of the scientific method is too broad.
What you are really talking about are “studies.” There is a distinct difference between hard science and studies. While some areas of ecology lend themselves to hard science, many do not.
Rather, qualitative valuation is often called science when it is not.
Some people refer to studies as ?soft science/” because it depends on the values put on a situation by the individual and society, as a whole.
Hard science does not depend on the values of the individual or society.
Just like 2 + 2 = 4 is independent of whatever the individual or society thinks it should equal.
“Just like 2 + 2 = 4 is independent of whatever the individual or society thinks it should equal.”
Indeed,
2&2 can also be seen as 22
88 is two fat ladies
69 is an evening of pleasure
96 is not !
“There is the preponderance-of-evidence method that is common in environmental and climate sciences.”
Archie, your post explains all that is wrong with climate ‘science’. Newminster and James Evans offer good comments on climate models so it is left to me to comment on your assertion that is quoted above.
A ‘preponderance of evidence’ can be no more than the basis for conjecture and in no reasonable sense can it be considered to be science. This is, of course, unless you practice the climate ‘sciences’.
What say you to the question of black swans?
The statistical models used by Prof. Ferguson, formerly of Imperial College London, the architect of the scare, has had his “modeling” ripped apart and his numbers (Input variables) shown to have been wildly exaggerated.
By whom ? (having taken into account the info below, that is) …..
Ridley:
“An epidemiological model developed last March at Imperial College London was treated by politicians as hard evidence that without lockdowns, the pandemic could kill 2.2 million Americans, 510,000 Britons and 96,000 Swedes. The Swedes tested the model against the real world and found it wanting: They decided to forgo a lockdown, and fewer than 6,000 have died there.”
Contrary to Ridley’s deceptive commentary, the 510,000 and 2.2 m dead are WITHOUT MITIGATION.
Also NO mention of Sweden was made in his paper.
There WAS mitigation…….
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf
“Results
IN THE (UNLIKELY) ABSENCE of any control measures or spontaneous changes in individual behaviour, we would expect a peak in mortality (daily deaths) to occur after approximately 3 months (Figure 1A). In such scenarios, given an estimated R0 of 2.4, we predict 81% of the GB and US populations would be infected over the course of the epidemic. Epidemic timings are approximate given the limitations of surveillance data in both countries: The epidemic is predicted to be broader in the US than in GB and to peak slight later. This is due to the larger geographic scale of the US, resulting in more distinct localised epidemics across states (Figure 1B) than seen across GB. The higher peak in mortality in GB is due to the smaller size of the country and its older population compared with the US. In total, in an UNMITIGATED epidemic, we would predict approximately 510,000 deaths in GB and 2.2 million in the US, not accounting for the potential negative effects of health systems being overwhelmed on mortality. ” (Capitals mine)
“Anthony Banton October 12, 2020 at 8:32 am
In such scenarios, given an estimated R0 of 2.4…”
Other scientists, academics and statistical modellers who have reviewed Ferguson’s paper have all stated that the estimate of R0 at 2.4 was out by a factor of 12, maybe more. Just like every other one of his predictions (SARDS1, MERS, bird/swine ‘flu, BSE and foot and mouth).
The arguments in favor of forcing people to wear masks are disingenuous, at best. The pretense that all water droplets, from the gigantic ones sometimes expelled during a sneeze to the microscpic ones expelled during simple respiration are the same. Oh, and the absurd use of the Precautionary Principle is precious. The Belief in the efficacy of masks is akin to a religious one, and is one based primarily on emotion. I’m reminded of the joke that goes: “My rabbits foot protects YOU”. And people pay lip service to the idea that your mask protects others from you. People believe it protects the wearer as well, though they may not say it. Actions speak louder than words.
And then I read this study that Tokyo May have achieved herd immunity
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20200924/Tokyo-citizens-may-have-developed-COVID-19-herd-immunity-say-researchers.aspx
If true this really is something interesting. Comparatively little death before reaching herd immunity. To me it suggests then strong genetic factors in a population’s mortality rate.
Cross immunity to other corona viruses across all of Asia is possible.
Their inpatient and outpatient treatments are probably better, which likely keeps patients from progressing to serious disease. Outpatient treatments in the US basically don’t exist, except for some gadfly and maverick doctors who are willing to push the envelope and treat with non-conformist medicines (e.g., HCQ, nebulized budesonide, vitamin C IV).
Mask wearing rules are indiscriminate and arbitrary, they serve no purpose for those who are not infected.
When in Rome…………………! Whether an N95 mask is useful or not, it doesn’t bother me. I put it on to enter a bank or a supermarket & take it off afterwards. So what? Just make the best of it. I wrap my bank card in the mask, so I know I’ve got it with me. There are far more important things to be concerned about, like leaving the wallet at home.
My parents survived WW2, like many millions of others in Britain. They were well educated & they both did their duty as their consciences demanded. They’d be aghast seeing the present vapid, vacuous, ill educated generations, who model their lives on the behaviour of people of little worth, such as dumb celebrities & demo rat politicians.
Now, in the very unlikely event that I were put in total charge, I’d outcromwell Oliver Cromwell, warts & all!!
It was a debate, a debate! Cackle, cackle, cackle.
Per a CDC Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (July, 2020 ), guess which people got sick with covid more:
1) Always wears a mask, or
2) Never wears a mask.
#1 by an 18-fold margin (108 vs. 6, respectively). Ooof!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EkEtUk-XkAAvxnS?format=jpg
Most people said that always wear a mask. You need to compare the case and control groups. On a percentage basis this data suggests that always wearing a mask helps, though probably not significantly.
What the data show is that even if people wear masks they still get sick (or test positive if that’s what they’re referring to). If masks work that’s not supposed to happen. Oh I know, I know … more would have gotten sick without wearing masks, or those that did get sick would have been sicker. No data for that; totally made up; CO2-type rationalizations.
Yes, this and a lot of other data shows that masks are not highly effective. It’s possible they have some benefit though. Maybe they make things worse. I think we’ll know in another 6 months or so as there are some clinical like studies in progress.
Feynman also said:
As long as it’s possible, we should disregard authority whenever the observations disagree with it.
and
We (scientists) have found it of paramount importance that in order to progress we must recognize the ignorance and leave room for doubt.
and
Scientific knowledge is a body of statements of varying degrees of certainty–some most unsure, some nearly sure, none absolutely certain.
and
…reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled.
These four simple statements pretty much cover today’s pseudo-scientific climate, especially as it applies to leftist’s and alarmist’s agendas, such as anthropogenic climate change, supposedly rising sea levels, supposed crop catastrophe, ‘transsexualism’ and gender ‘identity’ issues, the idea of ‘settled science,’ and the general idea (not entirely leftist based) of the effectiveness of covid masking v non-masking, as well as the general idea that ‘experts’ always know more than everybody else.
Was there any science at all? As far as I can tell it was all BS statistic modelling and politics.
This is my 8th email to the Alberta Government providing them with more and more evidence to
END THIS HARMFUL LOCKDOWN NOW!
I called it correctly on 21March2020 – NO COVID-19 LOCKDOWN – Now the World Health Organization (WHO) is finally saying the same thing:
“WHO OFFICIAL URGES HALT TO LOCKDOWNS AS PRIMARY CCP VIRUS CONTROL METHOD”
Interview with The World Health Organization’s special envoy on COVID-19 David Navarro, 8October2020
– Article below.
Regards, Allan MacRae, B.A.Sc.(Eng.), M.Eng.
ALLAN MACRAE 1Oct2020 – COMMENT POSTED IN RESPONSE TO THE TORONTO SUN EDITORIAL
Sweden correctly did not impose the full-Gulag lockdown and had lower death rates than many countries that did lockdown and has now achieved herd immunity. Forget vaccines, all flu’s in history have died because herd immunity was reached.
Covid-19 was a relatively mild flu, only significantly dangerous to the very elderly and infirm. The full-Gulag lockdown was an enormous error (or scam?) that squandered trillions of dollars and harmed billions of low-income people. The lockdown trashed the lives of young people to protect those who were typically in the last months of their lives. It also destroyed millions of businesses worldwide and impoverished their owners. The lockdown also slowed herd immunity such that the Covid-19 virus will apparently survive into the next flu season. The lockdown cure was far worse than the disease – a total FAIL.
The Covid-19 pandemic was over in Canada by end-July2020, when deaths dropped to a very low level – Sweden with NO lockdown followed two weeks later. Watch this video by Ivor Cummins – his Covid-19 conclusions of 8Sep2020 agree with my conclusions of ~21Mar2020, almost 6 months earlier. https://youtu.be/8UvFhIFzaac
Repeating what I published six months ago:
21Mar2020
LET’S CONSIDER AN ALTERNATIVE APPROACH:
Isolate people over sixty-five and those with poor immune systems and return to business-as-usual for people under sixty-five.
This will allow “herd immunity” to develop much sooner and older people will thus be more protected AND THE ECONOMY WON’T CRASH.
22Mar2020
This full-lockdown scenario is especially hurting service sector businesses and their minimum-wage employees – young people are telling me they are “financially under the bus”. The young are being destroyed to protect us over-65’s. A far better solution is to get them back to work and let us oldies keep our distance, and get “herd immunity” established ASAP – in months not years. Then we will all be safe again.
___________
Note:
I am an old guy in the higher-risk category – the lockdown did NOT protect me – all it did was hurt young people and low-income people, destroy businesses large and small, trash the economy and extend the life of the Covid-19 virus. Either our governments are incredibly incompetent or deliberately destructive.
References:
wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/21/to-save-our-economy-roll-out-antibody-testing-alongside-the-active-virus-testing/#comment-2943724
rosebyanyothernameblog.wordpress.com/2020/03/21/end-the-american-lockdown/comment-page-1/#comment-12253
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WHO OFFICIAL URGES HALT TO LOCKDOWNS AS PRIMARY CCP VIRUS CONTROL METHOD
BY Ivan Pentchoukov, October 11, 2020
https://www.theepochtimes.com/who-official-urges-world-leaders-to-stop-using-lockdowns-as-primary-method-against-ccp-virus_3534230.html
[excerpt]
The World Health Organization’s special envoy on COVID-19 has urged world leaders to stop using lockdowns as the primary control method against the spread of the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) virus, commonly known as the novel coronavirus.
“We in the World Health Organization do not advocate lockdowns as the primary means of control of this virus,” David Nabarro told The Spectator in an interview aired on Oct. 8. “The only time we believe a lockdown is justified is to buy you time to reorganize, regroup, rebalance your resources, protect your health workers who are exhausted, but by and large, we’d rather not do it.”
Nabarro pointed to the collateral damage that lockdowns are having worldwide, especially among poorer populations.
“Just look at what’s happened to the tourism industry, for example in the Caribbean or in the Pacific, because people aren’t taking their holidays. Look what’s happened to smallholder farmers all over the world because their markets have got dented. Look what’s happening to poverty levels. It seems that we may well have a doubling of world poverty by next year. Seems that we may well have at least a doubling of child malnutrition because children are not getting meals at school and their parents, in poor families, are not able to afford it,” Nabarro said.
“This is a terrible, ghastly global catastrophe, actually,” he said. “And so we really do appeal to all world leaders: Stop using lockdown as your primary control method, develop better systems for doing it, work together and learn from each other, but remember—lockdowns just have one consequence that you must never ever belittle, and that is making poor people an awful lot poorer.
If Sweden has achieved herd immunity as you claim, why are cases on the rise?
This rise is in the context of significantly less testing in comparison to the likes of the UK and France.
The problem is that people lump together the science that makes everyday things work with the science that is used to justify public policy. One has to be correct or the product will not work, consequently no one will pay for it. The other will only be paid only if the conclusions agree with the paymaster.
“They decided to forgo a lockdown, and fewer than 6,000 have died there.”
Sweden did not forgo a lockdown. Some of their lockdown measures were less strict but by and large, many were not.
As the basic premise of your article is wholly incorrect, the rest can be dismissed as gibberish.
Sweden implemented international and domestic travel bans.
They implemented work and study from home.
They implemented restrictions in the hospitality industry, reducing capacity of venues though keeping them open.
They cancelled operations, Gp appointments and other medical appointments.
They banned large events such as concerts, plays, operas, demos, seminars and even smaller events such as pub gigs, of over 50 attendees in all cases, and under 50 attendees as well in many. Even then, distancing was a requirement.
Clubs etc had their meetings banned.
They implemented social distancing both indoor and outdoor.
Sporting events were banned until mid June and are resumed with no spectators.
Etc etc etc
Public transport services were reduced.
Shops and other amenities had limits on capacity.
Older people were told to limit contact and, along with those of severe health concerns, shield.
Confirmed cases need to isolate for seven days.
“ there have been no randomized controlled trials on the wearing of masks to prevent the spread of respiratory diseases”. See “ Masks Don’t Work: A Review of Science Relevant to COVID-19 Social Policy” by Denis Rancourt who describes RCTs.
Relationships of any kind involve risk, trust and care. They require effort whereas it’s easy to dislike and mistrust people and even easier when they wear face coverings and keep their distance. Science may quantify the risk of infection but it can’t mend the damage to strained relationships and to society as a whole.
Griff:
…People who won’t accept the findings of climate science won’t accept any other science either…
So true!
But then ‘climate science’ is not a real science, it’s an unsubstantiated belief.
Cheers
Mike
“What the pandemic has taught us about science?”
It is very rarely used, and when it is used, it is often used incorrectly.
E.g. the PCR test method is NOT a diagnostic tool!
“tom0mason October 12, 2020 at 2:31 pm
E.g. the PCR test method is NOT a diagnostic tool!”
Exactly. People believe the media when they say it tests FOR COVID-19. It does nothing of the sort.
Be careful what you tag as “science”! Calling something “science” doesn’t make it necessarily so! “Climate science” is a good example.