Mandating electric vehicles without a plan will be devastating to California’s economy

Ramifications of California Governor Newsom’s ban on sale of gas-powered vehicles by 2035

Gov. Gavin Newsom at Sep 23 press conference announcing “no new gasoline vehicles to be sold in California by 2035”

Guest essay by Ronald Stein

Ambassador for Energy & Infrastructure, Irvine, California

Before sky diving, you need to plan ahead by having a parachute before you jump. California Governor Newsom’s recent suicidal jump onto the EV train has a minimum of eight (8) lack-of-a-plan ramifications from his recent Executive order to ban the sale of gas-powered vehicles by 2035 that will be devastating to the state’s economy and environment:

  1. Vehicle ownership: With 45 percent of the California population – that’s a whopping 18 of the 40 million residents of the state – being Hispanic and African American – having average incomes of less than half of present EV owners, the Governor is incentivizing those least likely being able to afford a new car to continuously re-register their existing vehicles. Additionally, California has the highest homeless population, and the fifth largest percentage of homeless (behind D.C., New York, and Hawaii, and Oregon, and has the second highest poverty rate.
  • Electricity for charging EV’s: The Governor wants to add more electrical charging demands onto a dysfunctional energy program that has already shuttered one nuclear power plant and three natural gas power plants in recent years (total of 4 in recent years), and has five more to shutter in the cross hairs – the last nuclear plant at Diablo Canyon and four more natural gas power plants. The four targeted natural gas plant closure have been given a temporary stay-of-execution due to recent blackouts, but their I end is approaching. California already imports more electricity than any other state– currently at 32 percent from the Northwest and Southwest and dysfunctionally HOPES that other states will be able to generate enough power to meet the demands of the state, from the shuttering of nine (9) in-state power plants in a decade, that have been providing continuous uninterruptible electricity.
  • Products demanded by societies: Governor Newsom fails to understand that the oil and gas industry is not just a California business with its few refineries,  but an international industry with more than 700 refineries worldwide that manufacture the derivatives from oil that are needed to make more than 6,000 products, that are essential to our medical industry, electronics, communications, transportation infrastructure, our electricity generation, our cooling, heating, manufacturing, and agriculture—indeed, virtually every aspect of our daily lives and lifestyles. Those thousands of products we did not have before 1900 are made from petroleum derivatives are more important than the various fuels needed for aviation, trucking, automobiles, and cruise ship segments that brought a standstill to commerce during the pandemic.
  • The dark side of EV batteries; The Governor’s actions are supportive of jumping onto the EV train, knowing that EV’s have a very dark side of environmental atrocities that the Governor is willing to “leak” to other countries for their support of what he perceives as a “clean” industry. The shift to the exotic minerals and metals used to produce the parts for industrial wind and solar electricity, and for electric car batteries, are highly concentrated in a small number of countries and their extraction from mining and refinement pose a serious threat to worldwide ecological degradation and heinous human rights abuses that have been documented by the United Nation and Amnesty International.
  • Fees for road maintenance: Governor Newsom may have forgotten that whatever type of vehicles use the roads, there are huge funding requirements for both California’s transportation infrastructure, and for the environmental compliance programs, that have come from the gas pumps. California has almost 400,000 miles of roadways that are heavily dependent on road taxes from fuel that contribute more than $7 billion annually, the same tax base that will be diminishing in the decades ahead.
  • VMT: The Vehicle Mileage Tax (VMT) that has been discussed for years sounds like a logical idea – requiring the users of the highways to pay the fees to maintain those highways. The challenge will be how to implement that great idea which may require annual odometer readings! Lookout for Governor Newsom’s next Executive Order for a VMT requiring annual odometer readings so that each person pays their fair share to maintains the roads they are using to replace the diminishing fuel taxes!

The list of other negative ramifications, like impacts on the energy employment market, maintaining a supply of one-fifth of the nation’s jet fuel consumption to the states airports,  and future escalating energy costs for all 40 million residents of the state. The list goes on while Governor Newsom continues dancing!

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October 3, 2020 9:50 am

But it will make people FEEL good. And that’s all that matters.

Reply to  bluecat57
October 3, 2020 10:06 am

The investor class is gay. Nay, ecstatic. Clean, sustainable, renewable greenbacks. Spread the blight. That said, save a bird, a bat, the native flora and fauna, whack a wind turbine, and don’t spare a photovoltaic panel.

Bryan A
Reply to  n.n
October 3, 2020 10:50 am

Tesla might already have a way to track mileage usage given that they can download updates and throttle available battery storage, having automated mileage reports from an EV should be cakework

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Bryan A
October 3, 2020 11:33 am

It won’t just be how many miles were driven, like a simple odometer reading. It would a detailed, sub-1 meter accuracy GPS coordinates of where you drove and when you drove there. All of that info would be used in the govt billing to the car owner for how many miles were driven, where they were driven, and when they were driven, down to level of exact lane usage by the driver on multi-lane freeways and highways. The socialists, who love to control, would also be able to charge for the driver using higher driving speeds.

The government and the auto industry would have an extremely detailed travel log of your entire year’s driving history. Completely searchable and available to big data corporations for marketing mining and the government, including law enforcement.
And California would want its share of Out-of-State drivers using their roads and highways. And then there would be surcharges for use times, like rush hour driving versus late nights and weekends, added on.
The use of sub-1 meter GPS accuracy would allow charging for faster HOV lanes by drivers. The multi-millionaires and billionaires trying to get around love this idea to keep the fast lanes open to only those with deep pockets.

Bryan A
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 3, 2020 12:12 pm

And will be dependant on which AlGorithms are used in the calcs

Ian W
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 3, 2020 12:36 pm

More importantly, the remote control via the cloud will be able to turn off your car, slow it to a crawl or drain the battery then prevent it charging.

What could possibly go wrong?

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 3, 2020 1:10 pm

Law enforcement would love to be able to just remotely shut off a car, and/or force the speed down to crawl to make the driver pull over for ticketing or arrest. No more freeway chase videos of fleeing drivers from News helicopters.

Like public key encryption of private data that law enforcement can break with a universal key, that has advantages, but opens up a whole can of worms on hacking and abuse.

It would all be US/UK Big Brother and sino-CCP approved of course.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 3, 2020 5:46 pm

You can bet your last dollar that authoritarians won’t give up an opportunity to track your every move.

Michael Darby
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 3, 2020 11:25 pm

I clearly heard Governor Pothead say: “We no longer need to drill anything or to extract anything to achieve our economic goals” This has been tried before. It was called the Stone Age.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 4, 2020 12:26 am

Even in the stone age they had to dig mines in order to find the flint used to make tools.
Grime’s Graves in the UK is what remains of a stone age industrial site.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 4, 2020 2:38 pm

“Michigan will become the sole outlier at a time when the Upper Peninsula is experiencing rates of COVID infection not seen in our state since April.”
They helicopter already. Look at Kobe…

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 4, 2020 10:45 pm

Whoever wrote this piece under-estimates the inventiveness of the people who create new taxes. They’ll just charge owners of vehicles taxes in proportion to how “polluting” they are, both per mile and annually. The poor will only be able to get round high EV purchase prices if they have a lower mileage.

Your car doesn’t have a transponder? And you can’t fit one? So, sorry, that car’s not legal on public roads.

Anyway, I expect EVs to continue to decline in price as the technology keeps improving.

Reply to  bluecat57
October 3, 2020 8:41 pm

I work in Automotive. Don’t rush to buy them, they don’t know what they don’t know.

On the outer Barcoo
October 3, 2020 9:58 am

Lessons are learnt through truly catastrophic failure(s).

Curious George
Reply to  On the outer Barcoo
October 3, 2020 11:28 am

Good decisions come from wisdom.
Wisdom comes from bad decisions.

Reply to  Curious George
October 4, 2020 7:50 pm

Correction; Wisdom comes from learning from bad decisions.
An inability to recognise, or even perceive the existence of adverse results, prevents any possibility of learning, hence we now get to see the same mistakes repeated ad nauseum

C. Earl Jantzi
Reply to  Curious George
October 9, 2020 7:03 am

California doesn’t have a history of “wisdom” on such matters.

October 3, 2020 9:58 am

Auto dealers in Arizona, Nevada and other neighboring states ought to see good sales.

Reply to  Scissor
October 3, 2020 10:35 am

I doubt they will be permitted to register their purchases in CA.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  MarkW
October 3, 2020 3:50 pm

Newsom’s stupid EO falls short of requiring that all cars registered in California post-2035 be EVs . . . my understanding is that it only requires that all new cars sold in the state after 2035 be electric/non-fossil-fuel vehicles. There is nothing currently or in the EO preventing a California resident from purchasing a new ICE vehicle out of state and then driving it into California and properly registering it.

Any EO, or even law passed by the California legislature, could not change this without an immediate Constitutional legal challenge:
“Freedom of movement under United States law is governed primarily by the Privileges and Immunities Clause of the United States Constitution which states, “The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.” Since the circuit court ruling in Corfield v. Coryell, 6 Fed. Cas. 546 (1823), freedom of movement has been judicially recognized as a fundamental Constitutional right.”—,court%20ruling%20in%20Corfield%20v.

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
October 3, 2020 3:53 pm

Easy go to a sane state to buy your car … along with a moving truck and all your gear. Register the darned car in your new state.

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
October 4, 2020 11:46 am

If you think they won’t figure that out and ban out of state purchases from being registered, dream on Gordon…all those profits and sales taxes going to neighboring states, and bringing in polluting vehicles? That will quickly prove unacceptable.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Kalashnikat
October 4, 2020 12:50 pm

Sorry Kalashnikat, I’m just dealing with current reality (Newsom’s EO as announced), not trying to imagine what additional EO’s or California laws might be imposed.

Reply to  MarkW
October 3, 2020 4:38 pm

I had a coworker a few years ago living in LA that found it economical to purchase a condo in NV for a home office. He said that the CA income tax savings more than paid for it.

People will find ways creative ways around nonsense.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  MarkW
October 3, 2020 8:16 pm

So what. They aren’t living in the US legally either. They will put fake out of state plates on the cars. Big deal.

Reply to  MarkW
October 5, 2020 5:13 pm

Dead on. California charges sales tax regardless of where you buy the vehicle. they also used to charge a special tax on states not built for the California market until a court over-turned the tax in the ’90s.

Steve Case
Reply to  Scissor
October 3, 2020 10:39 am

Scissor October 3, 2020 at 9:58 am
Auto dealers in Arizona, Nevada and other neighboring states ought to see good sales.

It’s where you live and where the car is registered, not where you buy it.

Reply to  Steve Case
October 3, 2020 11:02 am

“It’s where you live and where the car is registered, not where you buy it.” I don’t think all the angles to this monstrosity of legislation have been thought out yet. If what you say is true then the used car market in CA will outshine new car sales…. by a long shot. How about people moving from another state? Or people that live in remote locations? And on and on. CA will become the Cuba of aging ICE vehicles. Auto mechanics will be elevated to higher status and income (good on them!). I say as 2035 gets closer we see this legislation either disappear or get watered down so much it doesn’t accomplish what they intended (it won’t anyhow). Or they don’t do anything to it and suffer the consequences. Once again unintended consequences will bite them in the ass.

Geo Rubik
Reply to  markl
October 3, 2020 11:48 am

I’m sure they will severely limit the availability of gas and diesel.

Reply to  Geo Rubik
October 3, 2020 12:30 pm

Geo: What about all those trucks that CA relies on to carry products? If they make it too difficult to obtain gas/diesel it will severely hamper commerce. Ever seen the lines of trucks bringing goods in and taking goods out of the Port of LA? Not to mention those just serving transport within the state. This is nothing but a virtue signal to appease his Green tormentors….. at least until 2035. Hey, it’s working for China.

Reply to  Geo Rubik
October 3, 2020 4:13 pm

Diesel generators will be used to keep the lights on.

Bryan A
Reply to  Geo Rubik
October 4, 2020 12:35 pm

And so goes interstate transport of goods. How many Diesel Semi’s will travel into Ca. from neighboring States if they can’t refuel to travel back home?

Reply to  markl
October 3, 2020 12:40 pm

The in-state auto dealers would inform the politicians about this before long. They don’t want to be put out of business by a loophole like this.

Reply to  markl
October 3, 2020 1:31 pm

It’s not legislation – it’s newsom’s (ill-considered) executive order. It can be overturned by the California legislature or any Governor that takes over for newsom after newsom gets the boot from California voters.

Henning Nielsen
Reply to  Meab
October 4, 2020 10:50 am

“California Governor Newsom’s recent suicidal jump onto the EV train …”

Not onto, under.

Reply to  markl
October 4, 2020 11:48 am

It’s not legislation…yet…it’s an Executive Order, as I read the article…though no doubt Sacramento will jump on the governor, and his bandwagon…

Reply to  Scissor
October 4, 2020 2:41 pm

Actually Kinkos and FedEx offices will see a boon in business. There are already services in NV and AZ that for a small fee will establish your domicile.

October 3, 2020 10:00 am

First, it was mansplaining. Now it’s mandating. This is progressive sexism… genderism… sexism. Californians are green, gluttonous holes… whores h/t NAACP.

M__ S__
October 3, 2020 10:05 am



Don’t expect rational plans from the left.

October 3, 2020 10:06 am

EVs are heavier than comparable conventional vehicles therefore road maintenance will increase.

October 3, 2020 10:06 am

Several states have announced bans starting in 2040. This will lead to nationwide electrical shortages. These clowns need to remove the barriers to nuclear first.

October 3, 2020 10:22 am

He can say anything he likes. 2035 is 15 years away. Newsom won’t be in office. It’s another matter entirely if California still exists at that time.

Ben Vorlich
October 3, 2020 10:22 am

VMT, most cars will have hackable odometers?

Reply to  Ben Vorlich
October 3, 2020 12:10 pm

Exactly. Don’t you think some very smart people will get involved. Override a 1000 mile trip by a 5 mile trip to the grocery store?

Reply to  Ben Vorlich
October 4, 2020 9:40 am

Odometer readings are the only way to overcome privacy issues but yes, anything electronic on your car is hackable. It’s already federally illegal to mess around with odometer readings but anyone with a laptop, right program and know how can do it. Safeguards programmers but in to prevent odometer reading changes from happening will only stop honest people. I’m not a programmer by any means but I’ve had to hack programming locks on equipment just to do my job (OEM’s love to put in locks so you have to pay them to do work). How have I done it? Laptop, the right software, some know how and google. That’s it. What prevents people from bypassing the locks? Expensive software, lack of personnel with any programming training and threatening to take away warranties.

That said our ruling class knows this so want to use GPS based mileage tax with the host of privacy issues this brings about. Personally I believe the only reason they haven’t already imposed GPS based taxing on us is they haven’t yet figured out how to overcome privacy based lawsuits they’ll be hit with.

Wolf at the door
October 3, 2020 10:33 am

Once more “Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain” – or
“When you’re in a hole just keep digging “

October 3, 2020 10:34 am

They have a plan, they just can’t reveal it, for if they did, it would be clear to all that 1) a plan that doesn’t destroy the economy is impossible and 2) the virtue signaling from mandating electric vehicles will have absolutely no measurable effect on the planets average temperature even if their plan to regress civilization back to pre-industrial levels succeeded.

October 3, 2020 10:34 am

What will probably happen is virtue signalling GM and Ford, etc., will sell their new vehicles made in Mexico to Hertz and Avis, which makes them used vehicles and legal for sale in Gavin’s Mexifornia. Hertz and Avis, in turn, will resell them back to local GM, Ford, and BMW dealers for sale as used fleet vehicles with three or less miles on the odometer. This will bail out the struggling Hertz and Avis rent a car business, the local auto dealerships, and keep the hydrocarbon infrastructure intact to generate needed tax revenue for Gavin’s Mexifornia to subsidize those costly windmill farms while bailing out P.G. and E.. And you still get to have a new, er used Mercedes with zero miles in Beverly Hills. It’s all good in the ‘hood, and Gavin gets to keep his second mansion with a thirty grand freezer full of Cherries Garcia.

October 3, 2020 10:45 am

People seem to keep being surprised by edicts which intelligent people know will range from harmful to disastrous.

They can’t comprehend that there are people that INTEND harm, and disaster. Amd, that many of those people have been elected to office.

Batman apparently did not understand that, until Alfred told him that “Some people just want to watch the world burn”.

Once you get that … you get “it”

Steve Case
Reply to  sendergreen
October 3, 2020 11:55 am

October 3, 2020 10:50 am

Typical Democrat belief system at work; they believe they can make things happen by simply making it a “requirement.”

John in Oz
Reply to  ScienceABC123
October 3, 2020 2:52 pm

Here in Oz, we are battling the same ideological dimwittery, this from my local federal member:

as battery technology improves, the grid stability issues are being managed more effectively. Although it’s not there yet, our office remains confident that technological progress will ultimately overcome the remaining issues regarding stability.

However, I should make it clear that the transition to renewables is occurring regardless of any individual politician’s views, driven by the economic reality that renewable energy is much cheaper – and getting cheaper still – relative to fossil fuel energy.

Batteries are going to be the fix for the instability issues (apparently). No thought for the raw products that are needed for the batteries, their abundance or lack thereof nor the disastrously poor conditions of the workers supplying them

‘technological progress’ with no date for its emergence, will save us from the admitted grid instability caused by renewables.

The transition to renewables is not caused by politicians feeding them with subsidies and first-use rules nor the imposts they place on fossil fuel generation but the ‘economic reality’ that renewables are cheaper.

I have nearly knocked down the wall I have been beating my head against.

Bruce Cobb
October 3, 2020 11:06 am

It’s like “The Absent-Minded Waiter”. “Water, and now glasses”:

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
October 6, 2020 10:29 am

Well now I’m hoarse from laughing so hard! Thank you very much.

October 3, 2020 11:15 am

Well, nuts. I did hope this idiocy could be put off until a few years after I”m dead and gone, because if this kind of cancer starts in one place with the STupid Idea Club KidS, it can spread to other places, too. I have no wish to live to see it. 40 years down the road, when the Bad Bug Club is chewing on people because the bats and birds that eat them are gone from the area would be nice. I can dream, can’t I?
But it does appear to be more babblespeak and “feeelzguud” fairy dust stuff from Gavin. Maybe he has to justify his existence to the public by doing this publicly.

October 3, 2020 11:32 am

Leftists think that if they think something is good, they can just mandate it and it happens. Unintended consequences are not comprehended. Their favorite example of this approach working is the banning of incandescent bulbs, the difference of course is that replacement tech was already readily available and approximately equal in lifetime cost (though compact florescents were hardly better for the environment).

Every energy source has pros and cons. Libs ignore green energy cons and overstate other source cons. If you want more rational energy outcomes, just tax energy equally at $/BTU, or even just at % of cost, and let the free market decide what solutions are best. But we know that won’t ever happen in CA.

October 3, 2020 11:32 am

I thought it was going to be Governor for Life Jerry Moonbeam Brown who would, “forbid the sale, use or possession of gasoline, kerosene or diesel in the State of California…except for Party Members in Good Standing and select Government employees.” Just goes to show how wrong a guy can be…I was off by 15 years. PS I live in SoCal…the people here think it is the best thing ever…sigh

October 3, 2020 11:43 am

When electricity costs skyrocket to pay for the insane “renewable” energy mandates, the cost to charge an EV will also skyrocket. Not to mention the heavy taxes California will put on electricity. It will be impossible for a middle class family to own 2 vehicles.

Dodgy Geezer
Reply to  Stevek
October 3, 2020 12:27 pm

….which is probably the idea….

Reply to  Dodgy Geezer
October 4, 2020 10:43 am

Exactly. They want to reduce the number of cars on the road. This will lessen the cost of compliance, healthcare, and road maintenance and construction, and at the same time, make life easier for themselves. Reduced traffic, less parking problems. The increased cost for them? Nothing. They are government. They will get reimbursed their expenses.

And they have devised a way to do it ‘for your own good’, and convinced many that the whole thing is not their idea, but is a response to the public’s demand for a healthy environment.

Dodgy Geezer
October 3, 2020 12:04 pm

Not an issue.

Rich Californians will buy several electric vehicles, and a ser of diesel generators to keep them charged (and run their houses).

Poor Californians can go hang….

Jim Whelan
October 3, 2020 12:14 pm

What’s with this “without a plan” drivel?

The electric car mandate will be devastating with a plan as well.

Carguy Pete
October 3, 2020 12:16 pm

This will never happen in 2035 long after Governor Nuisance is out of office. Remember Californistan did this once before in the 1990s.
CARB passed a law mandating that the 7 largest automobile manufactures be required to sell a certain percentage of “Zero Emission” vehicles. Notice how the Hollywood favorites like Ferrari, Lamborghini etc are exempted?
So, how do you define a “Zero Emission” vehicle? Is a Tesla a “Zero Emission” vehicle or is it more accurately described as an emission transfer vehicle.
Well as the physics did not abide by the laws set by libtard mortals Californistan had to quietly modify and change the zero emission mandates.
The moral of the story is that libtards should never be in charge with making ANY decisions as they think with feelings and not reason.

Gordon A. Dressler
October 3, 2020 12:35 pm

Imposing a Vehicle Mileage Tax (VMT) in California to offset loss of state gasoline sales tax revenue is certain to increase sales of handheld OBD electronic units that are capable of “adjusting” electronic odometer display values. Just saying . . .

Old adage: the innovator always outperforms the regulator.

October 3, 2020 12:42 pm

Why does anyone care about this? Governors can’t make laws. And he certainly can’t sign an executive order that doesn’t take effect until 15 years after he takes office. Why is anyone talking about this?

Reply to  dging
October 3, 2020 2:57 pm

It’s a rallying call to the other nutbars. He knows California cannot do this alone. He’s expecting that long before the B.B. date of this “directive” there will be the countrywide totalitarian powers that will make this doable regardless of national consequences. The narcissitic part of the insanity is the wish to be looked back on as a “heroic pioneer”.

Kevin R.
October 3, 2020 12:43 pm

It’s the underwear gnome plan.

Joel O'Bryan
October 3, 2020 1:53 pm

Ben Shapiro announced Thursday he’s moving his small media company, The Daily Wire, and hispersonal residence out of LA, California to Nashville, Tennessee. The threat of ever higher taxes and lunatic Liberal policies are too much for him.

I suspect Walt Disney Corp, with its current World HQ in Burbank will be announcing a HQ move to Orlando, Florida sometime early next year after the election politics are settled. Carl Iger just abruptly resigned from COVID Recovery Advisory Board. No doubt he is mightily Pissed-Off at Gov Newsom and the Democrats keeping his California amusement parks shuttered, while they are started operating again in other states, like Florida. DIS is hemorrhaging mightily $3-4 billion every quarter now, paying their amusement parks staffs to sit at home waiting for the amusement parks and movie production sets in California to get the Newsom greenlight to reopen. DIS can’t fire or furlough them and still be able to re-start operations quickly because it takes years to train new staff if they lose existing staff currently waiting to return to work. So for now, with the government PPP free-money to DIS ended, DIS is is paying there amusement parks staffs and movie production teams in SoCal to do nothing. So moving the Disney World HQ out of Burbank, CA to Orlando, FL and its huge tax advantages would be real a Iger and Mickey’s Middle finger to Newsom and Sacramento’s political class of socialists.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 3, 2020 3:23 pm

Joel, regarding Disney’s amusement parks staffs, you posted: “DIS can’t fire or furlough them and still be able to re-start operations quickly because it takes years to train new staff if they lose existing staff currently waiting to return to work.

Ummm . . . did you miss the September 30 press release that The Walt Disney Co. will lay off 28,000 furloughed workers in the company’s California and Florida theme parks?

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
October 3, 2020 4:43 pm

I did. Ouch.
That’ll accelerate the departure from California. That’ll be a workforce that will be hard to get back when they finally re-open.
No wonder Bob Iger is furious with California Democrats. Iger is no fan of Trump, but Dem’s unwillingness to negotiate in Congress in good faith and Cal’s Dems keeping things shutdown broke him.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 3, 2020 4:50 pm

I mean’t to write “I didn’t”

October 3, 2020 2:13 pm

Such mandates put California at economic disadvantage to other states

W Hogg
October 3, 2020 2:14 pm

Also Teslae are extremely heavy, and powerful. That tears up roads so will degrade the highways.

October 3, 2020 2:32 pm

I’m afraid we have another article by someone who really doesn’t know much about the state of EV technology and pricing. EVs will be more cost effective than gas powered vehicles in the near future. In the past it was always claimed that once batteries cost less than $100 per kWhr, electric vehicles will have pricing equivalent to gas powered vehicles. That day is coming within the nexxt 12 months – both GM and Tesla are claiming their battery costs will be under $100 per kWhr. Maintenance costs and warranty costs will always be less for an electric powered vehicle. Also fuel costs should be less.
Electric motors in EVs are already at the point of 1 million mile warranties and batteries should last close to 20 years, or the lifespan of the vehicle. Recharging at fast (350KW) chargers are the coming norm – the Lucid Air claims to add 300 miles of driving range in less than 20 minutes. and a driving range of 525 miles. VW is about to produce a $25,000 EV. GM will stop producing gas powered cars by 2025 and some automakers (Volvo) already have. There is NO way any automaker will be producing gas powered vehicles in 2035 – Newsom’s proclamation mostly reflects his ignorance about the state of automotive technology. There is really no need for subsidies – Tesla owners no longer get any $7500 Fed subsidy, but are still selling plenty of cars. There will be 500 EV models on the road by 2025. Walmart and others have recently ordered hundreds of electric tractor trailers and there are about a dozen electric pickups hitting the showrooms in the coming year.

Reply to  ColMosby
October 3, 2020 3:27 pm

Volvo have every model available with some electric assistance/power.
Not every car.


Reply to  auto
October 4, 2020 10:50 am

He repeats the same mistruth every chance he gets, despite being shown proof that Volvo is simply offering two versions if every model, gas and electric.

At least I know I can ignore his postings for his dishonesty.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  ColMosby
October 3, 2020 3:33 pm

ColMosby, you posted: “EVs will be more cost effective than gas powered vehicles in the near future.”

You got any FACTS to go with that assertion? In particular, what is the factual basis and equations that you use to (a) accurately predict the future prices of electricity at the delivery point, and (b) accurately predict the future prices of gasoline at the delivery point?

Also, please define for all our benefit, “near future”.

As Yogi Berra quipped, “It’s tough to make predictions, especially about the future.”

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
October 3, 2020 4:49 pm

ColMosby seems to think that the median household incomes in middle class California can afford a $50,000+ capital outlay on an new EV, or the make the installment payments to afford that.

There is a reason why value brands like Hyundais are hot sellers in California ColMosby.
I’ll let you think about why that is.

Max P
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
October 3, 2020 9:11 pm

Near future is the same time line as molten salt reactors being in general use. You know, day after tomorrow or something like that.

Max P

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Max P
October 4, 2020 5:21 pm

Max P,
+42,000 intergalactic credits to you for stepping in with that definition!

In simply can not tell you, literally, how helpful it was for me to see “near term” defined relative to the rate of MSR technology advancement . . . I feel so much better now.

Reply to  ColMosby
October 3, 2020 5:15 pm

“Recharging at fast (350KW) chargers are the coming norm – the Lucid Air claims to add 300 miles of driving range in less than 20 minutes. and a driving range of 525 miles.”

Charging that many amps into a hot battery is going to severely degrade the lifetime efficiency of the battery, even with their cooling tech, so they will suffer huge losses with warranties in 3-4 years. Or by the time the warranties are called in, Tesla may be bankrupt. Something doesn’t add up with the stock value or the debt level of that company. It may be the equivalent of the Tulip bubble unless they correct their core vision, which was to supply affordable EV’s to the masses. There is nothing affordable about a Tesla, from the car itself to the charging infrastructure required to keep it running.

Not to mention how many 350 kW chargers you will be able to install without serious upgrades to distribution lines and transformers that would be required. A 350 kW charger (at the Tesla voltage of 375 volts) is equivalent to 933+ Amps of current. That is equal to almost the capacity of 10 average sized condos with 100 Amp service, or 5 large houses on a 200 Amp breaker panel, and the condo/house maxed with everything turned on at once. Of course, Utilities don’t even design their distribution lines to neighborhoods expecting everyone has their house cranked to fully supply. On a 25 KVA 3 phase power line, which is the default kilovolt distribution line in CA, you won’t get many chargers charging at once on one distribution circuit. Where is the infrastructure going to come from to make all these extra fast chargers work? Or the electricity that will be required on demand at once? And then these on the road charging stations probably won’t be used at all over night, unless the line ups haven’t cleared. All this doesn’t even make any practical sense. Tesla’s previous 125 kW superchargers were often just diesel generators on flatbed trailers they haul in and park next to their supercharger stations, often along with another giant battery/inverter they use as a load leveller, bringing in a new charged battery every day if things are busy. Where are the efficiencies in that? This is nuts.

The PHEV on the other hand, which has a smallish 15-20 kW/h battery and can be charged overnight on a 120 VAC 15 amp plug does make sense (Level 1 onboard charger and a short #12 AWG extension cord.) No new charging infrastructure necessary, even if you went Level 2 charging at 240 volt which would be equal to your electric dryer. Or it can run off its super efficient smallish 2.0 L-2.5 L gasoline engine and charge the battery on the fly and have unlimited range as long as you put gas in it and still gets 40 mpg in gas mode, (for a mid sized SUV) or 90 mpge range in combined mode if you start out with a fully charged battery on an average 100 mile trip. This is the way to start with the electric vehicle revolution, not the pure BEV full sized car or SUV with a 500 mile range on a huge battery and the fast charger at 900+ amps. That is such a waste of resources that it defeats any reason why to do that to begin with.

Reply to  Earthling2
October 4, 2020 11:02 am

Earthling2: Almost always overlooked about EVs is that charging them is not free. Plug in your EV to charge it overnight and you will see the impact on your monthly bill from the local utility. How much it will cost depends on what your utility charges per KWH (a KWH is 1000 watts used for one hour). Locally, I pay 11 cents per KWH. That may sound cheap, but even using a low-ball guestimate of charging every night (maybe 12 hours) at an average of I kw per hour would cost me about $40 per month.

Reply to  Tondaleo
October 4, 2020 9:27 pm

Yes, you right. There are no free lunches and .11 cents is about as cheap as it gets in the West. Probably at the upper end of electricity prices in Kali or Germany, that minimal $40 a month is going to be 3-4 times that with additional service charges, and probably a lot more if you drive the EV car a lot. Along with putting your household electricity use into Tier 2 or 3. Especially if they have time of day pricing. In the end, there might not even be any price saving when they have to charge extra road/mileage taxes for EV’s since they don’t pay a gas tax. I still support the concept of the PHEV, just because it can have some real advantages and performance. It’s a reasonable compromise and place to start.

Ian Coleman
Reply to  ColMosby
October 3, 2020 7:09 pm

Hello, ColMosby. I’d like to see your definition of the near future. I live in Western Canada, and you can go out today in my city and buy a safety-inspected, insurable gasoline car for about $4000. If you wanted to buy an electric car you would have to have it delivered from another city, and it would cost you at least $60,000. You could drive the gas car straight north to the Yukon with perfect confidence that you could fuel it quickly and inexpensively all the way. Not so for the electric car, for which there are no (as in zero) charging stations, and you would have to plan carefully as you got further north to make sure you could find electric outlets in the sparsely inhabited countryside. The charging times would greatly expand the time it took to reach your destination.

See? The economics just don’t work. Electric cars are selling (but not at a profit to their manufacturers), but only to people who would otherwise buy Cadillacs and BMWs and Porsches. Electric cars are a niche of a niche. That’s how it is now, and only massive distortions by government fiat could overcome the grotesque economic and performance disadvantages of electric cars compared to gas cars. And forget about heavy trucks and tractors, for whom markets do not currently exist.

Reply to  Ian Coleman
October 4, 2020 7:17 am

The boutique niche of electric car sales shrank immensely when the governance of my Province of Ontario Canada switched from a leftist liberal one to a sane conservative one two years ago. During the election period a bunch of the electrics were “contracted for” to take advantage of the generous Provincial Government subsidies that have now been canceled. Now there isn’t a city for a hundred kilometers from mine that you can even buy an electric car. My city canceled plans to build at taxpayer expense several charging stations. Once you get a government that isn’t subsidizing the electric car industry, and individual buyers (and fad), the market shrinks to near oblivion.

Mickey Reno
Reply to  ColMosby
October 4, 2020 1:24 am

I suppose there will be a 2050 version of the conspiracy theory “who killed the electric car?”

Reply to  ColMosby
October 4, 2020 7:31 pm

Who is going to pay for the doubling of the amount of needed electrical power? Doubling the capacity of the Electrical Grid and Transmission lines? How are they going to charge EVs during the blackouts? Also, don’t forger Diablo Canyon will be shut down by then. And I seriously doubt that no new governor will come to there senses before then.

October 3, 2020 2:49 pm

Similar stupidity in the UK with their mandates, made without a clue how it could possiby work.

Ian Coleman
October 3, 2020 3:08 pm

Why didn’t he just ban human unhappiness by 2035? This man is clearly an underachiever.

Reply to  Ian Coleman
October 4, 2020 12:07 pm

I demand to know why the Goobernator didn’t just ban wildfires…why did he let all those communities and wineries burn down when he could have ruled with his pen and phone…oops…that was a different Goober, wasn’t it.

October 3, 2020 3:57 pm

CA power companies have faced a 9 to 10 percent decline in electricity use in the past 10 years. They have plenty of spare capacity at night. I imagine people would charge their EVs once a week. The only problem would be if people came home from work, plugged in their EV, or two EVs, started cooking dinner, and blasted their AC too. The spare electricity capacity is after dinnertime.

CA buys one third of electricity from nearby states who will also have more EV’s charging , and can’t guaranty they will always have a surplus when CA comes begging.

CA will manage to screw this up. They don’t even want natural gas power plants, which they need for solar and wind 100 percent backup. Only 1.7 percent of cars in CA re now EVs.

Reply to  Richard Greene
October 4, 2020 11:02 am

Whether CA has a problem with buying enough power from neighboring states will quickly become a national political issue. Democrats cannot afford to lose the support of Californians, which would likely happen if they were left in the dark. I fully expect the Democrats would pass national legislation requiring all neighboring states to share electrical production equally based on state populations – the ‘logic’ will be, CA must suffer from degraded air from those states’ emissions, so they should get a share of the electricity produced. . Bottom line, California will get most of the electricity it needs, adjacent states will experience rolling blackouts in return.

Reply to  jtom
October 6, 2020 7:14 pm

Sorry – the degraded air we suffer from in Nevada is due to the constant fires in California that is due to their negligent forest management. They used to be better. Then the Sierra Club convinced them they needed to leave the forests alone in order to save the Spotted Owl. Now there are roasted spotted owls, and our air quality is horrible – to the extent that here in Reno we frequently have to close schools.
I don’t know why we don’t sure California to clean yo their mess. If their budgets are too overloaded, cede the western portion of their state to Nevada and Arizona. We’re not quite so stupid (yet) that we can’t properly manage their forests. Our fire fighters spend 75% of their time in California fighting fires now.

October 3, 2020 4:16 pm

Mandating electric vehicles without a plan will be devastating to California’s economy

Headline fixed.

Jim Allison
October 3, 2020 4:19 pm

The reality of manufacture and recycling of solar and wind turbine structures is ignored. Neither can be provided with sun and wind power nor disposed of without “non-sustainable”energy sources. Petro-products MUST be available.

October 3, 2020 4:37 pm

Invest in the larger used car dealers traded publicly. Defund Dems in the mean time.

Mike G
October 3, 2020 4:50 pm

In my head, while driving, I computed it takes the power output of 10 large reactors or coal plants to power each one million vehicles at highway speed. Am I far off?

Reply to  Mike G
October 3, 2020 6:35 pm

You forgot about the magic wands that wave away all such minor technicalities-

October 3, 2020 5:55 pm

Dont worry, there is a plan. A plan for Newsom to be out of office in 2035 and for it to be someone else’s problem. That’s if the EPA allows this to happen (although there seems to be some debate about whether this action requires a waiver).

October 3, 2020 6:29 pm

“By 2025, the sale of light-trucks that includes S.U.V.s, vans and pickups may make up 78 percent of sales, leaving sedans in the dust.”

And EVs have big range problems to overcome as workhorses and towhorses pulling heavy loads-
Which is why we aint exactly dripping with them in the new car showrooms just at present.

Bro. Steve
October 3, 2020 6:45 pm

For liberals like Newsome, wrecking America with crackpot utopian schemes is a feature, not a bug.

October 3, 2020 8:51 pm

Leftists are completely insane as defined by Einstein’s observation, “Insanity is doing the same the same thing over and over again and expecting a different results.”

History inexorably shows Leftists are clueless of how and why economies prosper and fail, and that the initiation of force against the will of individuals is evil and immoral and eventually leads to unfathomable atrocities.

The market is screaming at the top of its lungs that it hates grid-level wind and solar power because they are too expensive, intermittent, diffuse, unreliable, require 100% immediate backup, and have laughably low energy densities… The laws of physics prove grid-level wind/solar will never be able to sustain a prosperous and competitive economy because there are infinitely better alternatives available which other competitors will utilize.

The market is also screaming it doesn’t currently prefer electric cars because there are better alternatives available.

Leftists refuse to believe centrally planned economies never work, never…

Just let the free enterprise system determine what and when alternative energies and vehicles are adopted and we’ll all be better off.

October 3, 2020 10:41 pm

“The challenge will be how to implement that great idea which may require annual odometer readings!”

Since so called civil “servants” going around reading odometers is widely impractical, I predict they will impose a GPS tracker that will also serve as corona- (and others) virus “crisis” tracker.

October 4, 2020 12:35 am

Climate serfdom is where we’re headed.

Serfdom: the condition of a tenant farmer bound to a hereditary plot of land and to the will of a landlord : the state or fact of being a serf.

Serfdom is the status of a peasant under feudalism, specifically relating to manorialism, and similar systems. It is a condition of debt bondage and indentured servitude.

With the end of the car and personal means of transport, citizen rights and status will go backward 500 years and we will again be serfs tied to the land.

October 4, 2020 4:39 am

Is it just me, or does Newsom look vaguely like Justin Trudeau up in Canada?

Reply to  Sara
October 4, 2020 1:48 pm

Nice hair…no brains?

October 4, 2020 6:02 am

By the middle of this century, California is going to resemble today’s Cuba. Common people will be driving around in old gas powered automobiles while the elite drive around in their electric cars. Gone will be the middle class. Hyper rich enclaves surrounded by expansive ghettos. Wait that is today’s California……

Tom Abbott
October 4, 2020 6:52 am

My prediction is that California will not be 100 percent electric vehicles by 2035. There are too many obstacles in the way for this to happen. Governor Newsom is indulging in wishful thinking and virtue signalling.

A lot of things can happen between now and 2035.

October 4, 2020 8:56 am

““Recharging at fast (350KW) chargers are the coming norm – the Lucid Air claims to add 300 miles of driving range in less than 20 minutes. and a driving range of 525 miles.””
“5,194.67 kWh were pumped into the Model 3, enabling 15,123 miles for an efficiency of 2.91 mi/kWh or 343.5 watt-hours per mile. He clearly has a lead foot, as the EPA rates the LR RWD Model 3 at 3.84 miles per kWh.” From –
“Average yearly millage per capita is ~9,000. Population of CA is ~40 Million. 40 X 9,000 equals 360,000 Million or 360 Trillion (Tera) miles annually.” From –
Using 4 miles per kWh you get 1,440 Trillion (Tera) kWh annual NEW electrical load.

California presently uses 255,224,272 Megawatt hrs. or ~255 Trillion (Tera) from –
This suggests to me that California will need to increase their Electrical Capacity by at least 70% in the next 15 years. Shall I say an Impossible task even assuming the present Grid and Transmission lines could handle an almost double in the load.

October 4, 2020 11:33 am

Ah…so like Cuba, when Castro came to power and there were no more new cars coming in…there will be old cars, rebuilt and rebuilt and rebuilt, never scrapped because a large population can’t afford EV’s…(even if they figure out how to charge em up when the power goes out…

Will we see Tesla’s and Priuses and Leafs (Leaves?) pulling a propane or CNG powered generator behind them to keep them charged? And a black market in Internal Combustion Engine car parts?
Of course we will!

October 4, 2020 4:55 pm

2035, that is so many governors away. Plenty of time to reset goals as global cooling becomes the fear again rather than warming.

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