Michael Mann: “A second Trump term is game over for the climate – really!”

This is Michael Mann, Distinguished University Professor of Atmospheric Sciences and Geosciences, Penn State. CREDIT Patrick Mansell, Penn State

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to Michael Mann, the upcoming US Presidential election is “a Tolkienesque battle between good and evil, and Sauron needs to be defeated on election day here in the United States.”. But Mann claims he is not being partisan.

A second Trump term would be ‘game over’ for the climate, says top scientist

Michael Mann, one of the world’s most eminent climate experts, says Earth’s future ‘is in the hands of American citizens’Supported by

Mark Hertsgaard Fri 2 Oct 2020 20.00 AEST

This article is published as part of Covering Climate Now, a collaboration of 400-plus news outlets to strengthen coverage of the climate story. The Guardian is the lead partner of CCN.

Michael Mann, one of the most eminent climate scientists in the world, believes averting climate catastrophe on a global scale would be “essentially impossible” if Donald Trump is re-elected.

A professor at Penn State University, Mann, 54, has published hundreds of peer-reviewed scientific papers, testified numerous times before Congress and appeared frequently in the news media. He is also active on Twitter, where earlier this year he declared: “A second Trump term is game over for the climate – really!”, a statement he reaffirmed in an interview with the Guardian and Covering Climate Now.

“If we are going to avert ever more catastrophic climate change impacts, we need to limit warming below a degree and a half Celsius, a little less than three degrees Fahrenheit,” Mann said. “Another four years of what we’ve seen under Trump, which is to outsource environmental and energy policy to the polluters and dismantle protections put in place by the previous administration … would make that essentially impossible.

Mann denies that it’s a partisan statement to say that four more years of Trump would mean “game over” for the climate.

“It is a political statement, because it speaks to the need to enact policies to deal with climate change,” he says. “But it isn’t partisan to say that we should act on this crisis.

“The future of this planet is now in the hands of American citizens,” he says. “It’s up to us. The way we end this national and global nightmare is by coming out and voting for optimism over pessimism, for hope and justice and progress over fear and malice and superstition. This is a Tolkienesque battle between good and evil, and Sauron needs to be defeated on election day here in the United States.”

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/02/donald-trump-climate-change-michael-mann-interview

Last time I checked President Trump did not resemble an immortal wizard who is busy trying to recover his lost magical ring, which would grant him eternal dominion over the entire world.

But comparing President Trump to Tolkien’s premier villain probably makes as much sense as anything else Mann says.

To be fair, famous science fiction author Isaac Asimov once suggested in his essay “The ring of evil” that the One Ring represents technology:

… it is the lure of technology, the seduction of things done more easily; of products in greater quantity; of gadgets in tempting variety. It is gunpowder, and the automobile, and television; all the things that people snatch for if they don’t have them; all the things that people can’t let go once they do have them. …“.

If Tolkien’s irrational yearning for a fantasy age of pre-industrial agrarian bliss is Michael Mann’s inspiration, this is not a vision I share. I choose the comforts of the industrial age, over the grim pre-industrial reality of back breaking toil, hardship, misery, bone chilling cold, disease, and an early death. It should be possible to enjoy a breath taking fantasy like Lord of the Rings, without confusing fantasy with reality.

Please remember though, Mann is not being partisan.

** OK, technically Morgoth is Tolkien’s premier villain. But you would have to be a real LOTR geek to know that.

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Earthling2
October 2, 2020 10:11 pm

Michael Mann, one of the most eminent climate scientists in the world, did get one thing right about this election. It really is a battle between Good and Evil, as represented by the climate theme substituting for the horrors of institutional Marxism that they want to impose on the West, and by extension, the rest of the developing world. They even admit it for crying out loud.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out we find that Michael ‘Adolph’ Mann is actually bought off by the Chicoms through some Confucius Institute. He needs to be prosecuted under the Data Quality Act for his crimes against humanity. I would be real worried if I was him too, because he is a scientific fraud selling snake oil.

climatewombat
Reply to  Earthling2
October 3, 2020 3:03 am

here here Earthling2 .. the fraudster should be tried for crimes against humanity

Joseph Bastardi
Reply to  Earthling2
October 3, 2020 6:16 am

precisely the message of my book except backed up with dozens of counters to this worst ever nonsense and offering a logical, environmental friendly plan to quell the fear among the indoctrinated that believe this stuff
phonyclimatewar.com. ( its phony cause its about what this reader said, not about climate, and because these people that view themselves as warriors on the front line are trying to elevate themselves to some heroic level .. Unless you have been in war, you dont know what war really is

Reply to  Earthling2
October 3, 2020 9:00 am

Michael Mann hasn’t done any science since his work on lanthanide ceramics in the early 1990’s.

Consensus climatology is pseudo-science all the way down.

mikebartnz
October 2, 2020 10:20 pm

Why does he make a fanny of his face with that stupid bum fluff. What a prat.

Reply to  mikebartnz
October 3, 2020 1:20 am

And a skunks fanny, at that…

Reply to  mikebartnz
October 3, 2020 3:43 am

So.. he has now changed careers and become a stand-up comedian? I always thought there was something funny about him.

fred250
Reply to  huls
October 3, 2020 1:00 pm

a stand-up comedian…

failing even as that. !

Comedians try to be funny..

Mickey Mann is just emulating a low-end village idiot….. or perhaps not emulating..

Greg
Reply to  mikebartnz
October 3, 2020 3:59 am

It’s subliminal sign. A small round orifice, surrounded by tufts of hair and pink cheeks. What should you expect to come out of that orifice on a regular basis ?

BTW can authors at WUWT please find a different, more up to date photo of this flaccid aging bully. That shot’s probably 20y old by now.

Every time I see that smug, arrogant expression I want to punch it.

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Greg
October 3, 2020 9:21 am

He reminds me of the other side of the male anatomy.

StephenP
Reply to  mikebartnz
October 3, 2020 5:15 am

Mrs Mann must like it otherwise he would have saved it off PDQ.

LOL@Klimate Katastrophe Kooks
Reply to  StephenP
October 3, 2020 7:41 pm

There’s a Mrs. Mann?! My god, what is she?

Is she so porcine that she has to wash her back with a rag on a stick in a wading pool set out in the back yard because she doesn’t fit in the tub?

Does Mikey have to shave her back-fur?

Does her monobrow offset her snaggle-teeth in an upsetting way?

Did Mikey take advantage of her learning disability to get himself a beard-wife?

These are questions that urgently need answers! We may have found the missing link! Or at least found the first living example of Sasquatch. LOL

Mike
October 2, 2020 10:23 pm

One word

Precious

lee
October 2, 2020 10:32 pm

This is Michael Mann, Distinguished Discredited University Professor of Atmospheric Sciences and Geosciences, Penn State.

Patrick MJD
October 2, 2020 10:34 pm

Here’s hoping. But it is odd Trump being diagnosed as COVIS-19 positive, 4 weeks form the election.

ozspeaksup
Reply to  Patrick MJD
October 3, 2020 4:17 am

scarier right now is pelosi being touted as being able to gain control..
how?
cos Pence is VP not the harridan last I looked
reallyhoping Trump pulls through fast and able to get back on deck without harming himself
even from across the ocean the other mob or wichiepoo getting power is frightenig

Rich Davis
Reply to  ozspeaksup
October 3, 2020 4:46 am

It’s been a while since I’ve heard the word harridan used. Nancy Pelosi is a fitting exemplar.

Hari Seldon
October 2, 2020 10:44 pm

The correct statement would be: ““A second Trump term is game over for the climate- and CO2-hysteria – really!”

Interested Observer
Reply to  Hari Seldon
October 2, 2020 11:10 pm

“A second Trump term is game over for the climate sc@m – really!”

FTFY

Reply to  Interested Observer
October 3, 2020 9:23 am

“A second Trump term is game over for the climate – rally!”

Rich Davis
Reply to  Hari Seldon
October 3, 2020 5:52 am

Sorry to say, but that’s wishful thinking Hari. Anyone who has watched the socialists braying about the need to stop burning fossil fuels since the early 1970s will understand that there is no end to climate hysteria while there are still socialists in the world. The original reason we needed to descend to a new Dark Age was to avoid global cooling. They transitioned seamlessly to warming, and now to the unfalsifiable “climate change”.

Dr Gollum-Mann gave us all a 4-yr extension on the last chance back in 2017 when Trump was inaugurated, and if we avoid the Harris Administration (featuring Joe Biden), he’ll move the goalposts yet again. Hell, those goalposts have been on wheels for decades now. Eventually they’ll be projecting doom by 2200 if we don’t act before 2100.

Reply to  Rich Davis
October 3, 2020 7:08 am

Actually, I think of Michael Mann as more Wormtongue than Smegel (aka Gollum). Whispering lies into the Public’s ears, poisoning their minds.

Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
October 3, 2020 8:18 am

Yes, it was Grima that sat in the shadows, sapping will and intelligence from Theoden.

Trump wasted his opportunity to kill this scam

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
October 3, 2020 9:01 am

Sméagol

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
October 3, 2020 12:37 pm

I can picture Mann as Gollum…wandering around calling the hockey stick “my precious.”

Rich Davis
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
October 3, 2020 1:33 pm

Of course MannBearPig is about 100x the mass of Gollum, but roughly twice as nauseating to look at.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
October 3, 2020 2:25 pm

He’s a versatile character playing multiple roles like Mike Myers

Hari Seldon
Reply to  Rich Davis
October 3, 2020 8:23 am

Dear Mr. Davis,

Thank you for your comment. I was born in a “socialist country” in East-Europe, so I have some practical experiences with real “socialists”/”communists” and similar creatures. You could be sure, that they (socialists/communists) have NEVER been against fossil fuels and nuclear energy (even they preferred very strongly nuclear energy). According to my mind this kind of folks similar to Mr. M. Mann could be classified as “neobolsheviks” or (in their terms) as “progressive liberals” aka “liberonazis” with the goal to establish world supremacy. Instead of the communist slogan “Workers of the world, unite!” their new slogan would be “Globalists and climate-/CO2-hysterics unite!”. Some weeks ago I attended a Zoom-session with Mr. Mann as a chairman. On the basis of the experiences from this session I have the very strong feeling that Mr. Mann needs very urgently strong mental support by a very good psychiatrist. The second half of the session was on religion, even participants asked if the event would be a scientific session (Stanford University) or would it be a discussion in a church on religious matters.

To the prolongation of climate-/CO2-hysteria: In East-Europe who could imagine even in 1989 that the Soviet-Union (and KGB) could disappear within less than 12 monts? So I hope (and pray for it), that the days of climate-/CO2-hysterics have already been counted.

Rich Davis
Reply to  Hari Seldon
October 3, 2020 12:28 pm

Hari, of course the socialists used fossil fuels and nuclear power freely. Just as they ignore the ravages of windmills today, they saw no harm in burning fossil fuels even as they produced far more actual pollution than ever had been the case in the West.

Anti-fossil fuel propaganda has ALWAYS been about destroying Western capitalist economies with a lie that fossil fuel burning was causing some danger to society.

When the lie changed from fossil fuels causing an ice age to fossil fuels turning earth into Venus, they didn’t even blush at the contradiction. Even now, the hypocrites who spew this propaganda live lives that use far more energy than those of us being targeted by their lies. It could not be more obvious that they are not sincere and are only seeking power.

The communists did not disappear when the Iron Curtain fell nor when the Soviet Union dissolved. The reds simply cloaked themselves in a thin veneer of green and became watermelon environmentalists.

Dudley Horscroft
October 2, 2020 10:47 pm

You can reword ’eminent’ as ‘sticking out’. And I suspect that said Mann sticks out as one of the worst ‘climate scientists of the 21st Century.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Dudley Horscroft
October 3, 2020 8:57 am

He’s not even a climate scientist. He’s a mathematician who knows how to fudge statistics to get the desired result as opposed to the correct one.

fred250
October 2, 2020 10:50 pm

oh dear….. Mickey Mann….. the poor, petulant, puerile, per-pubescent primal-donna prat.

There is NO “climate crisis” except in your own fetid little delusional mind.

Alastair gray
October 2, 2020 11:11 pm

In Lord of the Rings Mann could don the mantle of Wormtongue the corrupt courier who poured lies and half truths ino the ears of King Theoden sapping the king’s will to live and to resist the powers of the dark lord.
Mikey holds one of the rings. The ring of bumfluff around the mouth of The lying weasel.
Mann “Distinguished Prof”. What then does a mediocre prof sound like?

Reply to  Alastair gray
October 3, 2020 12:17 am

What a great comparison, and to paraphrase Gandalf – “Michael Mann, what a witless worm you have become”, and “keep your forked tongue behind your teeth”.

Westcoaster
October 2, 2020 11:18 pm

Anyone who thinks this guy is distinguished as opposed to disgraceful needs to read Mark Steyn’s book about him. He’s a fraud – there it’s said again, and what support he has is a sad commentary about the global warming crowd. This is the guy the SLAPP lawsuit legislation was aimed at.

Al Miller
October 2, 2020 11:27 pm

A second term for Trump means the end for the Marxist takeover attempt. Now the Democrats have unmasked themselves. It is an interesting analogy but Mann seems to have it backwards. Is it not he and his cohorts who want complete control over everything people can and must do? Is it not Trump who is fighting to maintain freedoms and democracy- rhetorical question of course, yes it is.
The narcissism of Mann and such people is staggering to me. then to pretend it is not he who is the evil one in the castle attempting to gain final and complete control and do away with pesky elections and personal freedoms. such arrogance is something to behold, after all does not Mann most resemble Smeagol when he is telling you to trust him, the temperature must not rise above some…phoney level.

Derg
Reply to  Al Miller
October 3, 2020 1:51 am

“ A second term for Trump means the end for the Marxist takeover attempt.”

It is a slowdown, but not the end. These people are sick and have indoctrinated our children. Government is their religion. Trump is a speed bump to a globalist world. I wish it weren’t the case.

Scissor
Reply to  Derg
October 3, 2020 7:02 am

Yes, just a slowdown.

The U.S. takeover plan will continue toward apparently statehood to D.C. and Puerto Rico and stacking the Supreme Court. Gone will be the first and second amendments, then enemies of the people will be dealt, some via lining them up against a wall.

The useful idiots will deny this.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Derg
October 3, 2020 9:09 am

“These people are sick and have indoctrinated our children.”

This is the big one.

Online learning has revealed a lot of bad actor teachers out there.

In Washington state, there is a Kindergarten teacher who, at the beginning of each class, tells her 5 year olds that they are on stolen land (stolen from Indians) and that they should feel guilty about that.

There are other actual curricula that have students standing in a row, and taking a step forward or backward when statements are read. Those statements determine whether you have privilege or not. Those students who keep stepping forward are essentially shamed that their parents provided for them as parents should. Those who step backward are made to feel victimized by the privileged.

Those are just two examples. Who knows what they’re telling the kids when there is no camera on them for parents to see.

MarkW
Reply to  Derg
October 3, 2020 9:59 am

Newsom has proposed that high school kids must take a course in ethnic studies before they can graduate.

Don
Reply to  Derg
October 3, 2020 8:09 pm

While the rest of us non Marxist are away creating jobs and wealth (wealth is not money) these people have been using the wealth created to destroy us and the capitalist system . Most productive people find government and politics uninteresting and even boring but these Liberal Marxist insane people bath in it , luxuriate in it and in the US dominate it along with the MSM . They cannot survive or thrive in Private Business so they Migrate to Government and State positions where the competition is people like them so they rise in position and Power rapidly where they then hem themselves in and stay for decades sometimes , creating and achieving nothing .

“The problem isn’t that Johnny can’t read. The problem isn’t even that Johnny can’t think. The problem is that Johnny doesn’t know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling.”
― Thomas Sowell

“Virtually no idea is too ridiculous to be accepted, even by very intelligent and highly educated people, if it provides a way for them to feel special and important. Some confuse that feeling with idealism.”
― Thomas Sowell
It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.
― Thomas Sowell

griff
Reply to  Al Miller
October 3, 2020 2:22 am

There is no marxist takeover… there are hardly any Marxists in the world these days…

The Democrats are a right wing organisation by European standards.

to outside observers it doesn’t look like Trump upholds democracy…

mikebartnz
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 3:15 am

We have the Green Party in NZ and a previous co-leader was very much a watermelon as his parents were members of the Australian communist party. If they were honestly involved in policies to save the environment I would be totally with them. It is just like the Forest and Bird Society. When it started I was very happy to be member. Now as it has become so political I want nothing to do with them as it has ceased to be about their true objectives. Sad.

Reply to  mikebartnz
October 3, 2020 5:30 pm

Everybody, every party, everywhere is against degradation of our environment. Only some use it as a virtue signalling plank in their political platform and claim it as a measure of how they should be trusted to govern. Seems to me that politicians claiming they will do more for the environment are actually the ones who are just being manipulative of the voter pool.

Steve B
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 3:39 am

Sorry Griff but you are deluded to think what you wrote. Most supposedly conservative right wing governments are so far left you could sink a ship.

fred250
Reply to  Steve B
October 3, 2020 2:09 pm

“Sorry Griff but you are deluded to think what you wrote”</em.

griff KNOWS that he is LYING through his ass !

That is his purpose here to spread LIES and mal-information.

Everyone here, including himself, KNOWS that he is nothing but an ignorant far-left stooge.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  fred250
October 4, 2020 2:32 am

Whatever Griff posts, the opposite is true.

leitmotif
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 3:51 am

These aren’t the Marxists you’re looking for.

Rich Davis
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 5:54 am

Feeling all alone in the world griff? Sadly, you’re not.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 5:58 am

Griff wrote: “The Democrats are a right wing organisation by European standards.”

Not any more. The Democrats have veered so far left they are now the equivalent of the Left in Europe. Both groups would impose restrictions on freedom of speech if given the political power, which the Europeans have, and use, so that puts them both in the same authoritarian category, as far as I’m concerned. I don’t like people telling me what I can and cannot say. Taking away free speech is the first step to tyranny.

Griff wrote: “to outside observers it doesn’t look like Trump upholds democracy”

Well, of course, you don’t speak for every outside observer, that’s just your opinion. I would be interested in how you think Trump has hampered democracy. I don’t expect you to answer given your history, but I would be interested in your reply if you did.

Jeffery P
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 7:30 am

Griff, the USA is a republic. Our constitution guarantees it.

Marxists dominate our universities. They poison the minds of our youth with such drivel as “The People’s History of the United States” and the 1619 Project.

Marxists are behind the BLM movement. Their goal is not justice or racial equality but to remake our great nation as a Marxist state.

Meanwhile, what the Marxists call “democracy” is anarchy and mob rule.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 9:12 am

Griff, the Black Lives Matter organization are declared Marxists. In their words, not ours.

There are Members of the Seattle City Council who are avowed Marxists.

Stick your head back in the sand, you’re better off that way.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 10:00 am

First griff says that there are no marxists, then he proclaims that the far left Democrats are right wing by European standards.

The fool has managed to disprove his own case.

MarkW
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 10:01 am

As usual, progressives declare that it is only democracy, when they win.

Anyone who stands between them and OPM, is against democracy.

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 12:40 pm

Stay clueless, griff.

Name one way or instance “it doesn’t look like Trump upholds democracy.”

Seems you “outside observers” aren’t observing at all.

fred250
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 1:04 pm

Look in the mirror , griffool, , you will see a low-educated worm, bowing to marxist, socialist totalitarianism..

One of those useless idiots they rely on for collaboration.

Damiel kampo
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 6:35 pm

Cgrif your a fool

David A
Reply to  griff
October 4, 2020 2:42 am

Griff, the above post by Don was for you…
““The problem isn’t that Griff can’t read. The problem isn’t even that Griff can’t think. The problem is that Griff doesn’t know what thinking is; he confuses it with feeling.”
― Thomas Sowell

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  griff
October 4, 2020 7:42 pm

“… there are hardly any Marxists in the world these days…”

China: Population ~1.4 billion. Government: Unitary Marxist-Leninist.

What color is the sky on your planet, griff?

RockyRoad
October 2, 2020 11:31 pm

Mann has done more to discredit climate scientists than the climate itself. So I predict two things:
1) Trump will win on Nov. 3.
2) After 4 more years of Trump, the climate will still be much the same as it is now and Mann will still be making a fool of himself.
Some things never change much.

Reply to  RockyRoad
October 3, 2020 12:00 am

If Trump wins on November 3rd and the Senate stays in GOP control, then I predict the Democratic Party will splinter in a soul-searching division into its various factions that are utterly incompatible with one another.

The Party that has Michael Bloomberg giving them hundreds of millions to buy Congress and control its platform positions is utterly incongruent with the wing of the party that has socialists AOC, Bernie and Pocahontas. If Biden loses there will be no nationally recognizable name to lead the Party with the younger generations aside from that ignorant bartender called AOC and her even more ignorant squad members. The Obamas are too cozy with the pursuit of the building themselves towards a billionaire lifestyle with contacts in California to spend time in political trench warfare with Trump. Everyone else is currently in Democratic leadership positions are too old: the Clintons, Pelosi, Bloomberg, Schumer, Bernie. The very fact that the House Democrats have held onto 80 yr old Pelosi as their leader for so long is testament that there is no younger energy able to lead the Democrats out of the wilderness they will find themselves in. And that’s a good thing.

Scissor
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 3, 2020 7:20 am

That sounds about right. Hopefully, a Trump win leads to the coup attempts being fully revealed and punishment for participants. Otherwise expect more of the same type of behavior.

The founders were brilliant and created a remarkable system of governance. If Trump loses, hopefully survival doesn’t depend on the Proud Boys.

Don
Reply to  RockyRoad
October 3, 2020 8:42 pm

3)And by 2024 there still will be no readily identifiable indication of climate change (Global warming) . Maybe a little cooler .

October 2, 2020 11:37 pm

Rhetorical question: why isn’t Mann isn’t expressing any concerns about Xi Jinping continuing to lead Red China?

October 2, 2020 11:44 pm

Yeah, Climate Monsignor Mann correct… in a way.
A second term for Trump will be Game-Over for the Climate Scam.

The coming election is not about one man or the other. It is about the very future for 100 years.
Do we want to continue as a Constitutional Republic?
Or take a 1-way descent to Venezuela style Socialism and subservience to China?

Rich Davis
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
October 3, 2020 6:31 am

The price of Liberty is eternal vigilance. If Trump holds on, the civil war just continues. We don’t secure the next 100 years. Every 4 years we will face the possibility that the Socialists take over and extinguish the wick in the lamp of Liberty.

We could be looking at the Harris-¡Ocasio! Administration in 2024, the last elected President of the United States.

If we get the Harris Administration (featuring Joe Biden), then the Constitution will just be terminated four years earlier.

The Soviet Union lasted for almost 75 years, but probably would not have collapsed if it hadn’t faced the US led by Ronald Reagan. So if our descendants are lucky, the Democratic People’s Republic of America might collapse in a hundred years.

SAMURAI
October 3, 2020 12:18 am

Mann wrote, “A second Trump term is game over for the climate – really!”…

Reality is, “A second Trump term is game over for the CAGW Hoax—-Really!”

There, now it’s fixed.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  SAMURAI
October 3, 2020 4:53 am

You could add the words “gravy train” after Hoax and wouldn’t be wrong.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  SAMURAI
October 3, 2020 9:21 am

It wouldn’t really be game over. Trump hasn’t done a lot to dismantle the delusion of a climate crisis. I don’t think he could. Whenever he says something, whether it’s mean, benign, or saintly, they hate him more, because they’re told to.

It’s funny, I listen to news/talk radio on KIRO out of Seattle. They’re a CBS affiliate, so at the top of every hour they have a CBS news break. Now that Trump has tested positive, they keep harping on about him not wearing a mask ever since the “panicdemic” started, ignoring all the talking head doctors who have repeatedly said that masks won’t keep you from getting it, only from spreading it (sort of) if you have it. So whether or not Trump wore a mask was completely irrelevant, especially considering how many times he’s been tested.

Vincent Causey
October 3, 2020 12:36 am

So eminent, apparently, that his showcase piece, the faux hockey stick, has been thoroughly debunked. Never let facts get in the way of a good bit of propaganda. You can imagine what they would say about Dr Lindzen though.

October 3, 2020 1:08 am

HOw can anyone take Mann seriously?

He is a fraud, a joke, a clown. A red noise hockey stick, decline hiding, fake Nobel Prize clown.

Coeur de Lion
October 3, 2020 1:08 am

What has happened to the Steyn lawsuit which was, broadly, about whether the Hockey Stick was fraudulent. It should come to court in order to expose The Disgrace To The Profession even after all these years of American legal indecision about SLAPP.

Splitdog Homee
Reply to  Coeur de Lion
October 3, 2020 1:42 am

The Judge wants nothing to do with it, so just ignores it.

John Piccirilli
Reply to  Splitdog Homee
October 3, 2020 2:23 pm

Judge Sullivan?

Rod Evans
October 3, 2020 1:47 am

The CCN (Collectivised Crazies Network) led by the Guardian, must be the most biased, unscrupulous group of propagandists put together, since Goebbels was strutting his stuff, early last century.
Back then, anyone who did not stand to attention and salute the leader, was locked up, cancelled and erased from history. That regime was so concerned about removing truth from society, they took to burning books, and celebrated doing it. Not too different to media providers today blocking out individuals, articles and comment they do not want the wider public to see, or hear! Sedition and contrary views was banned in 1984, remember?
The champion of this piece, Mann, with his Mona Loa (sic) smile, even looks like one of the champions of that past totalitarian group, Himmler. He was similarly determined to remove resistance and rub out views the faux collective didn’t want to hear.
All very troubling.

griff
Reply to  Rod Evans
October 3, 2020 2:24 am

I do wonder whether this sort of absurd characterisation and abuse of political opponents, who are not very different in policy, is really helping American politics and society?

It isn’t found to any great extent outside America.

Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 3:58 am

“It isn’t found to any great extent outside America.”

….like in China…..Russia….Iran…..Saudi Arabia….. or most of Africa, where any absurd characterisation of a political opponent is dealt with errrr………. differently.

I love Unicorns and rainbows don’t you?

MarkW
Reply to  Climate believer
October 3, 2020 10:07 am

I find it fascinating how those who proclaim that Trump is an evil fascist who’s a racist and sexist to boot, then turn around and whine about how politics has become so polarized.

Chaswarnertoo
Reply to  MarkW
October 4, 2020 2:35 am

Total lack of self awareness is characteristic of leftards. « That’s different »

Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 8:39 am

Griff, here in canada the Trudeau liberals are tacking well to the left of the NDP, demonizing opponents, trying to jam through major changes and costs without parliamentary oversight, causing division and separatist tendency and massive discontent.
Canada is become just as polarized as the USA and it’s because of over reach by the left.
Again

MarkW
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 10:06 am

The griff collective sees only what it is paid to see.

fred250
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 1:09 pm

“It isn’t found to any great extent outside America.

Your delusion know no bounds, griffool.

The angst against Trump from the ultra-left in the EU, UK etc is manifest.

Look in the mirror… You are part of it. a slug-like marxist collaborator.

LdB
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 8:52 pm

Add Australia to that list there is a lot of left vs right politics even within the major parties.

Hans Erren
October 3, 2020 2:15 am

The POTUS does not decide on global climate policy. For the next decades the policy of China and India, together with 2.75 bilion people, has far more impact.

griff
October 3, 2020 2:25 am

I just like to say, I hope the President recovers and there actually is an election on some sort of normal terms.

My neighbours were pretty sick with the covid: it is a nasty beast…

rah
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 3:46 am

Classy post Griff. Thank you.

David A
Reply to  rah
October 4, 2020 4:05 am

Griff, we would like an election on ” normal terms” Thanks for that and the best wishes to President Trump.

We want such an election as well.
Meaning one where the American people know who won that night, and states don’t have 12 days to find more ballots, and people are encouraged to vote, but not harvested to vote. Where it is the individuals responsibility to make it to the polling booth, or absentee vote early. An election where armed black Panthers or ANTIFA OR BLM are not standing at polling places and are not intimidating voters, and an election where truckloads of ballots are not found last minute and the number of people voting does not exceed the registered.

RicDre
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 10:36 am

+1000

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  griff
October 3, 2020 12:43 pm

Thank you Captain Obvious.

Lasse
October 3, 2020 2:30 am

Will it be Penn state or state penn for Mann?

michel
October 3, 2020 2:30 am

“The future of this planet is now in the hands of American citizens,” he says. “It’s up to us.”

This is completely crazy. Its a common fallacious way of reasoning among climate activists however, and its not simply found in advocacy about America as a whole. It also featured in Newsome’s plans for California. You will find it about cities and even smaller institutions, as when some city or company proposes to become carbon neutral. And you also find it at the individual level, when people are urged to manage their ‘carbon footprint’.

The invariable and fallacious assumption is that all local action directed at climate is both effective and necessary. So if you are in California, you will read about the necessity and the effectiveness of moving to electric cars.

What you will never see is any estimate of how much effect that is going to have on global CO2 emissions.

Similarly, Mann is in the grip of American effectiveness. In some unexplained way there is some unspecified thing that Biden can do, that Trump will not do, that will save the planet. But again, notice there is no statement about how much whatever it is will affect global CO2 emissions.

This is a universal feature of climate activist policy advocacies in all countries. In the UK for instance, the elimination of ICE cars is justified on the grounds that it will help save the planet.

But if you look at the numbers, the UK is doing about 1% of global emissions, and the measure will save a small percentage of its total 450 million tons. The effect on global emissions and the climate (even admitting there is a connection) will be so small as to be unmeasurable.

The climate movement is characterized by two things. One is constant demands to do things which on their own theory will have no effect on what they claim to believe is the problem.

The second is the refusal to advocate what, on their own theory, should be required and effective to solve what they claim to believe is the problem.

So, don’t demand things that will really reduce national emissions. Don’t demand China reduces. When it comes to saving the planet, advocate stuff like turning off standby household electronics, or replacing a few ICE cars with electric. But when it comes to a simple mathematical argument, that we cannot possibly get globally to 5 billion tons of emissions while China emits 10 billion and rising…. well, change the argument from how important it is to make emission reductions to save the planet to arguing that its not fair China should have to reduce.

Are you trying to save the planet by reducing emissions or not? That is the question to ask, and to keep asking.

Hans Erren
Reply to  michel
October 3, 2020 8:23 am

“The future of this planet is now in the hands of American citizens,” he says. “It’s up to us.”
There are 328 million people living in the US, but there are 7.5 bilion people in the world, of which the majority will double their carbon footprint the coming decades.

So no.

thingadonta
October 3, 2020 2:38 am

The One Ring is essentially power. Power corrupts, especially when associated with an ideology, and especially religious ideology.

I believe what Tolkien refers to as the metaphor of the One Ring being destroyed, is to abandon the old ways of religion and ideology, and its control over the mind. Ideology gives people comfort, and ideology gives leaders power and sway over people, just like the Ring does. But it is simply too corruptible as a way of living in the world.

‘Many fare things will fade’, which alludes to much art and symbolism associated with religion and ideology fading away, when religion subsides into a contemporary technological society. People said science made life lose its (ideological) beauty, or as Keats said: Newton “unweaved the rainbow” by reducing it to its prismatic colors, and so diminished beauty. I think this is to some extent true, but it was a religious-based beauty that was never real to begin with. The One Ring and ideological means to power is essentially an illusion to begin with.

David A
Reply to  thingadonta
October 4, 2020 3:22 am

” The One Ring is essentially power. Power corrupts, especially when associated with an ideology, and especially religious ideology.”.

Nope sorry but I think not. Most all want power. Most all do not want to be dictated to. Power itself does not corrupt, it reveals corruption. The specific corruption it reveals is power OVER OTHERS.

Power over your own life, power to choose your profession, your home, your land, your spouse, is desired by most everyone. Power OVER OTHERS, either individually or in group form, is the basis of most all crime, rape, theft murder, etc… The one Ring to rule them all was power over others. “Government is a necessary evil”

As to religious ideology, no, religious ideology is no more vulnerable to the one Ring of Power over Others then non religious ideology. (Perhaps it is less so when the ahimsa, or non violent principles embedded within Christianity and Hinduism are properly understood. After all, the founding of the United States was based on protecting individual liberty from Group Power, be it religious or political or corporate, and they used Christian principles to reach that freedom philosophy)

Look what happened when the non – religious achieved political power, over 140 million dead by their OWN government! Then add in the wars caused by lust of power over others. Power reveals corruption. No longer hampered by conscience or golden rules, the power mad tyrants were free to destroy.

In the L.O.T.R. both Gandolf and Gladriel have a moment where the ring is offered to them. Gladriel envisions herself destroying Sauron, and then sees that she becomes just like him. They both pass the test, and refuse to succumb to the temptation of Power Over Others.
“Such is the nature of the Tyrant, when he first appears he is a protector”. (Plato)

October 3, 2020 2:53 am

Mann does resemble Gollum, doesn’t he?

I like President Trump as Aragorn – The Return of the King.

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