California Governor Gavin Newsom Bans Sales of Gas Cars by 2035

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

According to Governor Newsom, “we no longer need to drill things or extract things to advance our economic goals”.

Gavin Newsom signs order banning sales of gas-powered cars in California by 2035


Gov. Gavin Newsom on Wednesday issued an executive order requiring the sale of all new passenger vehicles to be zero-emission by 2035, a move the governor says would achieve a significant reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, improve air quality, and move the state further away from relying on climate change-causing fossil fuels. 

“This is the most impactful step our state can take to fight climate change,” Newsom said. “For too many decades, we have allowed cars to pollute the air that our children and families breathe. You deserve to have a car that doesn’t give your kids asthma. Our cars shouldn’t make wildfires worse – and create more days filled with smoky air. Cars shouldn’t melt glaciers or raise sea levels threatening our cherished beaches and coastlines.” 

His announcement comes on the heels of one of the most disastrous climate events in California’s history. The state is still battling wildfires, which have burned a record 3.6 million acres. 

Newsom for weeks has cited climate change as a major contributing factor, and has called on federal officials, including President Donald Trump, to take more aggressive action on clean energy.

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The following is a tweet from Governor Newsom. The announcement starts at 4:45.

Newsom hopes everyone will follow California’s lead, but why would anyone else want to copy California’s slow moving energy disaster? The more engineering literate amongst us might have noticed that, thanks to renewables, California can barely keep their lights on. More unreliable renewables will just make this situation worse.

Adding millions of energy hungry electric vehicles, many of whose owners would want to charge at night, would be unlikely to improve California’s unstable renewable energy grid.

Governor Newsom in his interview said “we no longer need to drill things or extract things to advance our economic goals” (see the Twitter video above).

Every study I have seen about renewables suggests that any serious attempt to go 100% renewable would require far more drilling and extracting than a fossil fuel powered economy, like a 2700% increase in lithium extraction. Even carbon intensive cement production would have to increase substantially – all those wind turbines and solar panels need cement bases.

Manufacturing cement largely consists of heating limestone or other Calcium Carbonates to 825C (1517F) degrees, to separate the limestone into Calcium Oxide and CO2. There is a lot of CO2 in limestone. Current cement manufacture accounts for 8% of global annual CO2 emissions. Cement does not last forever. A substantial permanent increase in global cement production would pretty much cancel any CO2 savings from going renewable.

Between clearing wilderness areas for wind turbines and solar arrays, and turning what is left of the state into a vast open pit mine to feed the mineral hungry renewables industry, going renewable would devastate California’s environment.

I guess there would be one small silver lining to the Newsom push to turn the State of California into a Renewable Energy extractive wasteland. The few scraps of forest and wilderness which would survive the push for renewables would no longer pose much of a forest fire hazard.

Of course it is possible Governor Newsom is aware of all this (h/t Charles the Moderator).

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Roger Dueck
September 23, 2020 6:14 pm

Oh My Dog!! What a maroon!

Reply to  Roger Dueck
September 23, 2020 8:34 pm

We need to stop extracting sunlight from the sky

mike macray
Reply to  Poems of Our Climate
September 25, 2020 3:45 am

…..We need to stop extracting sunlight from the sky..

Brings to mind Gulliver’s Travels, and his journey to Lagado to meet the inventor who was perfecting the extraction of sunbeams from cucumbers to warm the Governor’s garden in inclement weather. At the end of the tour the inventor held his hand out for a donation to finish the project! Sound familiar?
Johnathan Swift was quite a prescient for an eighteenth century Irish vicar !

Reply to  Roger Dueck
September 24, 2020 10:42 am

If he really believed his own BS, wouldn’t it make a lot more sense to ban selling gas?

Hot under the collar
Reply to  Roger Dueck
September 24, 2020 11:54 am

“we no longer need to drill things or extract things to advance our economic goals”. Amazing, that he believes they manufacture electric cars, wind turbines and solar cells from thin air.

September 23, 2020 6:16 pm

How long till griff proclaims that this order proves that electric cars are viable and economical.

Bryan A
Reply to  MarkW
September 23, 2020 10:34 pm

Absolutely, if they were viable and economical no legislation would be required mandating their use.
If ALL Greens felt EVs were necessary and acted accordingly, again no legislation would be needed (doesn’t a vast majority [97%] agree that something needs to be done?) just quit being hypocritical and put your money where your mouth is.

Reply to  MarkW
September 24, 2020 12:45 am

Always amazes me how those who apparently disagree strongly with Griff do such a great job of posting his views for him in his absence.

I’m sure he will be flattered by the importance you accord him. You just made his presence here so much more effective.

John Endicott
Reply to  Greg
September 24, 2020 4:55 am

You amaze easily.

griff’s responses, like that of most alarmist trolls, are so predictable because he repeats them so often. What would be truly amazing is if s/he made a response that wasn’t so easily predicted.

Joel Snider
Reply to  John Endicott
September 24, 2020 11:23 am

Greg’s is called a ‘deliberate opinion’.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  John Endicott
September 25, 2020 5:01 am

Going by Griff’s first name, he is a he.

I bet ole Griff didn’t know I know his first name. 🙂

Since he decided not to use it (except for that one time:), I won’t mention it here.

Reply to  Greg
September 24, 2020 8:14 am

+1 Like him or not he’s an effective troll for this site.

Reply to  Greg
September 24, 2020 8:31 am

Ridicule is actually praise? Is that really the position you want to take?

Joel Snider
Reply to  Greg
September 24, 2020 11:24 am

When I reply to him, I make sure he doesn’t feel flattered.

Reply to  Joel Snider
September 24, 2020 12:34 pm

Maybe he’s like Simon, and actually likes the abuse.

Joel Snider
Reply to  MarkW
September 24, 2020 10:01 am

‘How long till griff proclaims that this order proves that electric cars are viable and economical.’

8:43 a.m. He’s got links too. Some self-serving bullshit as always.

September 23, 2020 6:20 pm

How are they going to drive away from the fires?

Reply to  Derg
September 23, 2020 7:19 pm

They wont !!
maybe that’s part of the plan to reduce the population ???

Reply to  Derg
September 23, 2020 9:01 pm

The perpetual fires will replace lighting lost to rolling blackouts! See how easy that problem was solved?

Reply to  Derg
September 24, 2020 12:54 am

In a Tesla ( assuming the battery is charged and that the Tesla website is not down so that they can open and start their with these “smart” phone ).

Today Tesla owners who are too dumb to have a backup method of opening their cars are raging at Elon Musk because the server is down and there’s not backup. You’d need to be a liberal to have that kind of a lack of self awareness.

Darwin says : anyone stupid enough to rely on a hand held computer and a global network to access essential, life-saving, personal transport deserves to die in a forest fire.

Newsom’s idiots virtue signalling will not make one iota of difference to global warming or forest fires but will affect the ability of citizens to flee.

The electric fire appliances and electric helicopters will be great for the fire dept. too.

Carbon Bigfoot
Reply to  Derg
September 24, 2020 1:12 am

They will drive away in their concrete vehicles– made from cement, one of several ingredients in the concrete bases that Eric describes. The other ingredients are drinkable water, air, coarse and fine aggregate and other additives. Just sayin”. Cement is the term always used by the less technical among us. I call them the 98% ers.

Reply to  Derg
September 24, 2020 6:18 am

In the last few years, here in North Carolina, we have been seeing more and more California tags.

Reply to  Fred Haynie
September 24, 2020 7:02 am

Twelve years ago, I would have been one of those CA tags – but I swear I came here to get away from California idiocy, not to spread it!

Reply to  TonyG
September 24, 2020 9:11 am

It is the smart ones who are leaving. Why continue to put up with, high cost of living, high taxes, wildfires that could have been prevented, mud slides, and worst of all, so called progressive politics.

Reply to  Fred Haynie
September 24, 2020 11:00 am

I’m not convinced that’s the case, though – because they move here to NC, or to TX, or other places, and then push for the exact same policies they left.

Reply to  TonyG
September 24, 2020 11:08 am

Only the misguided ones that bring their “progressive politics” with them.

Frederic Middleton
Reply to  Fred Haynie
September 24, 2020 7:55 am

That’s too bad. Some ‘from’ are good

Reply to  Fred Haynie
September 24, 2020 8:44 am

Just like in Vermont where we’re seeing more New York tags.
There goes the neighborhood…

September 23, 2020 6:24 pm

The critical point for electric power is storage. Are we going to stop mining lithium and cobalt too? Elon’s new battery tech at 16% improvement is a pretty big jump. In the 20 years I worked in solar energy research the avg PV efficiency went from 15% to 19%.

Reply to  William
September 23, 2020 8:14 pm

We don’t have to assume electric power. Folks are working hard on ammonia fuel. The most interest, from a practical point of view, seems to be from the shipping industry. It’s very attractive there because the giant diesel engines ships currently use could be converted to burn ammonia with not too much trouble.

This link describes work on an ammonia powered tugboat.

It’s not impossible that the future of automobiles and trucks will continue to be with internal combustion engines. That said, over the years I have followed a number of interesting energy projects that reached at least the pilot plant stage. None of them succeeded. On that basis you could bet against the widespread use of ammonia as vehicle fuel.

Reply to  commieBob
September 23, 2020 9:02 pm

Ammonia does NOT occur naturally in large quantities on our planet earth. Venus, Saturn and Jupiter are another matter. To produce ammonia it requires BIG power to run large high pressure compressors and OH MY GAWD natural gas to supply the feed stock for the Hydrogen. That is the most common industrial process for ammonia. The nitrogen is usually supplied by using the atmosphere around the production plant.
One great drawback to using ammonia for a fuel is that it is highly poisonous in its raw form and if you have ever had the unfortunate occurrence to be gassed by this chemical it is not a great day I can tell you. In higher concentrations it can extremely damage human airways and lungs and in higher concentrations it can explode with the right fuel air mixtures. As an alternative to gasoline I think if you were to look at the energy in and the energy out required to manufacture ammonia it takes more energy to manufacture ammonia than you can get out of it by burning it in an engine.

Reply to  Boris
September 24, 2020 12:59 am

Ammonia as fuel is exceeds the insanity required to suggest hydrogen as fuel.

Both are highly dangerous and require energy to create them, thus they are a form of energy storage and IN NO WAY address the question of where the source of that energy is coming from.

Reply to  Boris
September 24, 2020 4:38 am

OH MY GAWD natural gas …

Natural gas and coal are relative late comers in ammonia production. In most of the 20th century, the hydrogen needed to make ammonia was produced by electrolyzing water. link

Read what I wrote more carefully.
1 – Ammonia can be produced using ‘renewable’ electricity.
2 – Ammonia can be burned in conventional internal combustion engines.
3 – The marine industry can continue building ships the way they have done. They won’t lose their investment if they’re forced to switch to ammonia fuel. In the mean time, they can continue burning bunker fuel.

Reply to  commieBob
September 24, 2020 6:06 am

I wouldn’t think NH3 would be a good substitute. It isn’t a good gas to breath. Too many leaks in a normal IC setup so this stuff would be vented into the atmosphere all around us. Plus it is a relatively low energy density fuel and has a very narrow flammability range. It is lighter than air so it would rise to the top of the atmosphere and who knows what problems that would create.

Maybe it could be used as a lifting gas and we could float from place to place instead of driving.

Reply to  commieBob
September 24, 2020 7:12 am

95% of Hydrogen produced commercially is made in steam-methane reformers. Electrolysis is inefficient. High temperature steam electrolysis could theoretically be viably efficient, but no one has done it on a commercial scale. Also, you need to make steam.

Reply to  commieBob
September 24, 2020 9:00 am

There was a company in Florida called Apollo Energy that developed fuel cells that ran on ammonia. I did a review of their tech for a related project back around 2012. Interesting but not economically practical. Plus anhydrous ammonia is a bit scary to work with.

I checked on the company recently. It appears they are no longer around.

Reply to  commieBob
September 25, 2020 10:50 am

” In most of the 20th century, the hydrogen needed to make ammonia was produced by electrolyzing water.”
More careful wording?
A more accurate statement would be: In the 20th century, a small part of the hydrogen needed to make ammonia was produced by electrolyzing water.
Your link states that millions of tons of hydrogen were produced by electrolysis in C20 but production was curtailed. Careful wording again as “millions of tons” in the whole century is miniscule compared to the output from steam reforming.
You shouldn’t place too much faith in that link, if their knowledge of history is any indication. The Haber-Bosch process was in full production at Oppau in 1913, not the 1920s as they state.

David A
Reply to  William
September 23, 2020 10:20 pm

“Elon’s new battery tech at 16% improvement is…”


Reply to  William
September 24, 2020 5:27 am

The improvement is larger packaging and removal of tab – i.e. it’s all package geometry. Energy density per kg went down, but by volume it went up 16%. No real chemistry improvement.

Reply to  William
September 24, 2020 8:43 am

This reminds me of when they announced the Seqway. In the weeks leading up to it, they were claiming that the announcement was going to be a world changer, nothing would be the same after word.

After the announcement. Other than mall cops, nobody noticed.

September 23, 2020 6:33 pm

Is it just me, or does The Gavin look dumber than a box of bent screws in that photo?

I haven’t seen a stare that vacant in a very, very long time.

Reply to  Sara
September 23, 2020 6:54 pm

It’s the liberal fake smile.

Reply to  commieBob
September 23, 2020 8:24 pm

And his robotic, studied hand gestures. He comes off soooo phoney. And his mousey trophy wife as well. “Image is everything.”

Reply to  commieBob
September 24, 2020 1:06 am

Harris’ is the epitome of the false smile: her lower lids come half way up eyes. This is a key component of the fake smile. Just try doing it see how stupid and false you feel.

Reply to  Greg
September 24, 2020 8:46 am

Could that be why the Democrats are hiding her from the press?

Reply to  Sara
September 23, 2020 6:55 pm

Dumber than a box of bent screws?

Never heard that one before, Sara, and I like it. Thanks. It made me laugh.

Stay safe and healthy, all.


Reply to  Bob Tisdale
September 24, 2020 5:52 am

Always, Bob T. And you, too, and make sure you have your favorite treats on hand when you’re stocking the pantry.

Reply to  Bob Tisdale
September 24, 2020 6:43 pm

Screwier than a box of bent dummies.

Reply to  Sara
September 23, 2020 6:58 pm

I have: Joe Biden. And to think, these leftists hold CA up as a model. 🤮

Clyde Spencer
Reply to  Sara
September 23, 2020 8:09 pm

Dumber than a rock in a box — or the person who buys it to make it into a pet. Spencer’s Third Law: More than half of adults have an IQ below 100. And I suspect that many of them go into politics because they can’t even get a job to teach teachers.

Bryan A
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
September 23, 2020 10:44 pm

Now careful what you intone about the Venerated Pet Rock

Reply to  Clyde Spencer
September 24, 2020 6:10 am

OH, I go rock hunting a lot. I use the best ones, like an iron ore concretion, as paperweights. Cost me nothing and I get free O2 out of it, too, on my walkies. 🙂 I’ve found Carboniferous fossils like a shrimp and a plant called Alethopteris (an ancient seed fern). I just take them home and give them a job holding stuff down.

I need to get a book on geology that IDs rocks and when they formed. I’ll find one (or several) this winter. If you move to an Earth-type planet, you should know enough about geology to know which rocks are what and how they formed, right?

You all keep the home fires burning, and stock the pantry. National Weather Service says we’re going to get whacked with a blast from Santa’s back yard (depending on where you are, of course), so I’ve procured plenty of popcorn, soda and stuff to make a hearty soup. (If you’re on the back side of that, the heat will continue, from the way the jet stream projection looks.)

Reply to  Sara
September 24, 2020 12:11 pm

There is a wonderful book titled: Prehistoric life, The Definitive Visual History of Life on Earth, published by Dorling Kindersley.

It is a beautiful book filled with pictures and stunning graphics; better than a visit to a natural history museum. I recommend it highly to anyone interested in the history of life on Earth.

Reply to  WBWilson
September 24, 2020 5:47 pm

Thank you!!!

Trying to Play Nice
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
September 24, 2020 9:12 am

I worked at a store that sold pet rocks during the craze. People would steal the rocks from the boxes. We went out to the parking lot for replacements.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Trying to Play Nice
September 25, 2020 5:24 am

That’s funny. 🙂

Reply to  Sara
September 23, 2020 8:26 pm

They’re not that bent, dammit! Warped perhaps. );

Nick Graves
Reply to  eck
September 24, 2020 12:09 am

It’s a feature – for fixing noggins, perhaps.

Ian Coleman
Reply to  Sara
September 23, 2020 10:36 pm

Actually, Sara, it is quite difficult for most people to take a posed photograph and look anything other than kind of stupid. All my passport and driver’s license photos make me look strained and uncomfortable. Professional actors and models probably have some trick of imagination they use, such that their head shots make them look like they have minds and souls.

A fun google image search is celebrity high school yearbook photos. Guys like Gregory Peck and Clint Eastwood look kind of dorkish, because they haven’t yet learned the trick.

Reply to  Ian Coleman
September 24, 2020 8:50 am

“such that their head shots make them look like they have minds and souls.”

As Bill Clinton is reported as saying, “Once you learn to fake sincerity, everything else is easy.”

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Sara
September 25, 2020 5:19 am

“I haven’t seen a stare that vacant in a very, very long time.”

Newsome has the same look as Joe Biden. Of course, Joe usually hides his face behind a mask, but he can’t hide those vacant eyes, or the gibberish when he speaks.

I can’t believe this guy is the Democrat nominee. Trump ought to win in a landslide.

David Blenkinsop
September 23, 2020 6:35 pm

One of the alarming things in this world is the extent to which thoughtlessly ‘woke’ regimes tend to imitate one another.

In this case, Boris Johnson’s administration in the UK has already made the decision to do a phased in ban of all regular fueled passenger vehicles, so I suppose California couldn’t dare be left behind in this lunacy?

Zig Zag Wanderer
Reply to  David Blenkinsop
September 23, 2020 7:08 pm

Yeah, and what could possibly go wrong when about one in ten cars are parked on the street instead of in a garage? How about extension cords draped over every few metres of pavement (sidewalk)?

And don’t get me started on the electrical infrastructure required even if they solve that one.

It seems as if critical thinking skills have been lost over the years.

Rainer Bensch
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 24, 2020 5:17 am

You missed the goal. It is to cut the number of cars to a tenth of what we have now. Only those who have a garage… And this way it affects the electrical infrastructure not a bit.

Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 24, 2020 8:52 am

I suspect that the number of cars not in garages is a lot higher than 10%.

Weylan McAnally
Reply to  MarkW
September 28, 2020 3:07 pm

I have seen an insurance estimate that 75% of US cars are parked outside. They keep the statistic because of hail damage claims.

Russ Wood
Reply to  Zig Zag Wanderer
September 26, 2020 6:45 am

Having lived in London for a few years, I can safely say that in big cities, only the RICH have off-street parking. And then there are the apartment blocks, with zero parking and about 4-6 flats per car space on the (no-parking signed) street!
Or maybe the WHOLE purpose is to remove private transport from those ‘oiks’ who really don’t deserve it!

Marty H
September 23, 2020 6:47 pm

If you charge you car at night it will be With carbon based electricity. (we even pump water uphill at night when electricity is cheap in order to generate power during the day.)

If you charge during the day the grid will be overwhelmed in the summer.

PG & E is already running ads suggesting getting a backup generator. Every home will have one to charge their car.

Reply to  Marty H
September 23, 2020 11:32 pm

Probably likely they’ll use more generator fuel to charge the vehicles than what would have been used if they just filled up and drove around in an ICE car !

Reply to  Streetcred
September 24, 2020 8:29 am

And the emissions from the generator won’t be nearly as clean as it would be burning the hydro carbons in a modern ICE car.

Reply to  Marty H
September 23, 2020 11:58 pm

This is what’s happening in the UK. When my energy supplier wanted to fit a smart meter I refused. I could see what was coming.

Reply to  Marty H
September 24, 2020 5:07 am

Wonder where you’ll get the gas for it? If you were going about banning ICE cars, wouldn’t you just hit the lawn department while you were at it?

Reply to  Spetzer86
September 24, 2020 12:38 pm

Airports. The good: Higher octane. The bad: the lead in the fuel will destroy your catalytic converter

Jim Whelan
Reply to  Marty H
September 24, 2020 11:01 am

One of PG&E’s blackout prevention suggestions is to not charge electric vehicles during daylight high energy use hours.

September 23, 2020 6:47 pm

So their currant problem is not having enough reliable electricity to turn on AC in the evening when they get off work. Does this governor know how they will increase the available energy in 15 years so they can plug in all their cars and turn on the AC? I really don’t know but that would have to be about a 100% increase in demand in 15 years when they are running on the fine edge now.

Reply to  DMA
September 24, 2020 8:53 am

“So their currant problem”

That would definitely get them in a jam.

Farmer Ch E retired
September 23, 2020 6:55 pm

Appologies to my friends and relatives in this USA state:

For you recent graduates, here is a multiple-choice quiz with two bonus questions.
(If you believe it’s your right not to be offended, please skip.)

For 10 points, which single USA state best fits all of the following descriptions?

This state has the 5th largest economy in the world (
This state is a leader in green energy and environmental regulations
This state ranks 1st in total imports with 441 billion annually (14.6% of GDP –
The #1 import country into this state:
– consumes over 7 times as much coal as the entire USA (
– has a communist government that has engineered a “compliant” workforce at the expence of human rights
– plans for expansion and global domination
This state is corporate headquarters to Alphabet, Apple, Facebook, VISA, Tesla, and Adobe with combined market capitalization of 5,500 B ( – listed in order of descending market cap)
This state is NOT the home of ExxonMobil (aka Big Oil) with market capitalization of 178 B, which is less than Adobe ( (divest in ExxonMobil = defund Texas)
This state has 18 of the top 25 wealthiest zip codes in the USA

Choose one answer:
A. Mississippi
B. Vermont
C. California
D. None of the above

Bonus points:

4 bonus point essay: Has the state chosen above become the “New Old South” in part by leveraging low-cost “compliant” non-US labor? (Please include reasons for and against with references.)

1 bonus point multiple choice: Which state above (A, B, or C) was the richest in the country prior to the Civil War?

No s-tag needed . . . This is food for thought . . .

September 23, 2020 6:56 pm

Newsom knows he won’t be around in 2035 to face up to his loony edicts, just like most politicians, bureaucrats, academics, media and activists. (Sorry those last 5 references amount to tautology)

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Mr.
September 23, 2020 8:09 pm

Yep, Newsom and his predecessor, Jerry Brown, can enjoy their retirement years together riding back and forth the 160 miles between the metropolis of Bakersfield and the metropolis of Merced on the California “bullet train”. There will certainly be enough room in the passenger cars of that HSR boondoggle so that they can slap each other on the back over the great accomplishments they did “serving the people”.

Except for the fact that have instead “served it to” the people.

Reply to  Mr.
September 24, 2020 1:50 pm

Perhaps it is a pea and thimble trick. A dramatic announcement focuses the public’s attention on ‘climate change’ and subtly diverts attention away from other issues concerning the wildfires.
But is all this talk about fossil-fuel-free transport just more ‘baby talk’? This article on heavy trucks contains interesting statistics and insights:

Shoki Kaneda
September 23, 2020 6:57 pm

In other news: Sacramento trial lawyers were seen drunkenly celebrating the guarantee of work for years to come.

D. J. Hawkins
Reply to  Shoki Kaneda
September 24, 2020 4:50 am

Does Newsome even have the power to ban the sale of an otherwise legal product? Where is the enabling legislation for this?

old engineer
Reply to  D. J. Hawkins
September 24, 2020 6:03 pm

D,J. Hawkins-

Newsome probably does NOT have the power to require the sale of only zero-emission vehicles in California, (Note this is different from banning the sale of vehicles with IC engines). Trump took away the Federal permission for California to set their own emission standards, so they must use the Federal standards. Even when they could set their own standards, the US EPA still had to approve them.

So my take is that he is just pandering to greens. He has gotten a lot of headlines for it. But, no, he can’t actually do it.

Reply to  old engineer
September 25, 2020 7:45 am

Not having the power to do something doesn’t appear to have stopped a lot of governors from doing things recently. Unless there is resistance, he has the power simply by implied consent, whether that power is legitimate or not.

September 23, 2020 7:01 pm

California homes will need to stock up on backup gasoline power generators.

Jim Gorman
Reply to  BallBounces
September 24, 2020 5:40 am

Where is the gasoline going to come from? Gas stations will quickly DISSAPPEAR. More like natural gas if you can get a connection.

Reply to  BallBounces
September 24, 2020 8:16 am

Privately owned power generators soon will be verboten.

Wish I could add a /sarc here.

September 23, 2020 7:04 pm

Looks like this means the end of car dealerships in California by 2035. Folks will need to cross the State borders to Oregon, Nevada and Arizona to buy a car. If they have any sense, they won’t bother making the return journey.

lee Riffee
Reply to  Ubique
September 23, 2020 8:12 pm

Exactly….anyone who is able (assuming they still want to live in CA) will cross the border into Nevada or Arizona and purchase cars and trucks there. This will be great for car dealerships in neighboring states and not good for in-state dealerships.
That said, I think this nonsense will be shot down by lawsuits brought by all sorts of businesses that could never depend on fully electric vehicles. Also, considering there are lots of farms in CA, there’s no way farmers will be able to get by without gas or diesel powered pickup trucks (not to mention farm equipment; no idea if Gov. Nuisance would consider exempting those engines). No (or fewer) farms and there will be a lot less food available in nationwide grocery stores.

Bryan A
Reply to  lee Riffee
September 23, 2020 10:53 pm

That is even assuming that they will have the Mined Materials necessary to create all those EVs.
It would require ALL the current quantity of globally mined copper alone (and that is without allowing for the Double that which the U.K. would require to do the same by the same date).

Reply to  lee Riffee
September 24, 2020 9:28 am

In re: grocery stores: some of the fresh stuff I purchase comes from Mexico in the winter, and I”m up here in the Midwest just below the Wisconsin state line. Some stuff comes from Florida, such as strawberries in winter, and when I check labels on fresh stuff, I’m finding that it’s grown in Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Iowa, Florida, and there are even locally-grown things like fresh cooking herbs grown and packed in greenhouses a few miles away from me.

I’m much more aware of these things than I used to be, and frankly, I seldom see any produce that comes from California at all. Apples come from a restaurant north of me about 20 miles, with a 150 acre apple orchard. They make their own cider, too. They also sell peaches, cherries and strawberries, but you have to order this stuff ahead of time. In this [don’t come near me] environment, they’ll bring it to your car at the curb. Plenty of similar orchards and market garden farms around here, too.

I don’t know what California does, other than make “seen it before” retread movies and TV shows, and have earthquakes, but nothing on my table comes from that state. Seriously, if I want trout, I can get a boat and go out on Lake Michigan to catch steelheads and lake trout and perch.

There’s another item: there are a few farms west of me that raise grass-fed beef cattle and will offer a half steer, cut and wrapped and flash frozen for a reasonable price. Half a steer would fit into a 5.0 cubic foot freezer and still leave room for green beans, chopped veggies for soup and stew, and bacon.

So seriously, what does California offer other than bad land management, greedy government, and self-important political twits???? What DOES LaLaLand really offer that the rest of the country doesn’t already have?

John Garrett
September 23, 2020 7:05 pm

That clown is completely crackers.

Is there anybody in Calizuela who comprehends why their electricity costs 3× more than the national average?

Carlo, Monte
September 23, 2020 7:12 pm

What a moron.

Juan Slayton
September 23, 2020 7:19 pm

We could save a lot of money by dispensing with our legislature and just let the Governor rule by decree.

September 23, 2020 7:21 pm

The world going to end before 2035 AD.
The long lasting Dem racists party will have finally ceased to be = end of world.
A new world will begin- without any need of the zombie freaks on the streets.
I wish would happen faster, but, these train wrecks do tend to be slow process.

John in Oz
September 23, 2020 7:23 pm

Will this destroy part of their tourist industry as there would not be any gas stations to refuel the cars coming into California from the states that allow fossil-fuel vehicles?

lee Riffee
Reply to  John in Oz
September 23, 2020 8:20 pm

CA’s governor is too stupid to ever consider these possible consequences of such an action. For a while (assuming this stupidity were ever to come to pass) gas stations would continue to exist (unless they were also banned) because there would still be a huge number of gas and diesel powered cars on the roads. Cars in CA tend to last longer (due to little rain/dry climate) which is a good thing because I can guarantee that more people than ever would hold onto their vehicles as long as they possibly can. Meaning those people who won’t (or can’t) move out of CA…. Also there would be a surge in demand for auto mechanics as people make desperate attempts to keep their gas powered cars running as long as possible.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  lee Riffee
September 23, 2020 9:34 pm

Let’s see . . . the various levels of State, county and local governmental bureaucracy within California must own over 1 million ICE cars in total. Replacing each at a projected bulk purchase cost of, say, $30,000 each amounts to an expense of $30 billion. And where is this money to come from?

Can you too say “BK”?

Reply to  lee Riffee
September 24, 2020 12:36 am

Look at the example of Cuba where old cars from the 1950s have been kept going by mechanics.
Depreciation on these vehicles must be minimal, and as any accountant will tell you a major part of the cost of running a car is the depreciation.

Reply to  lee Riffee
September 24, 2020 7:14 am

That’s the problem: there is never any consideration of the consequences of these actions.

Komerade Cube
Reply to  John in Oz
September 23, 2020 9:16 pm

Re no gas stations: that’s the answer right there! Exxon should stop selling gas in California immediately on order to show how green they are, and how much they want to help the state meet its goals.

September 23, 2020 7:26 pm

So can they buy gas cars from neighboring states and bring them into California to drive?

Tom in Florida
Reply to  liberator
September 24, 2020 6:33 am

Step 1: ban the sale
Step 2: ban the use
Step 3: ban the ownership
Step 4: invoke criminal charges against those who fail to submit any of the above.

Pat from Kerbob
September 23, 2020 7:35 pm

The near genius Premier of BC, Horgan, made a similar announcement, while simultaneously blocking new pipelines.
Then he complained about the price of gasoline, and wondered why no one was coming forward to build new refineries in BC.

This level of stupid cannot be matched, Newsome is still in little league

Reply to  Pat from Kerbob
September 23, 2020 9:10 pm

Hello Pat
We in Alberta would like it better if you would kindly keep your Ecar’s in BC rather than coming to Alberta to try and commit suicide on on our highways.

Alberta RCMP charge driver allegedly sleeping in a self-driving, speeding Tesla on Highway 2

Reply to  Boris
September 24, 2020 10:28 am

Priceless. I recently drove a car that someone had driven down into my AO from Ontario. I had to remember that on the metric dashboard, 100 means 62 mph not 100 mph.

Gordon A. Dressler
September 23, 2020 7:39 pm

“Our cars shouldn’t make wildfires worse – and create more days filled with smoky air. Cars shouldn’t melt glaciers or raise sea levels threatening our cherished beaches and coastlines.” — Gavin Newsom

Hint for you Gavin, they don’t.

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
September 23, 2020 8:48 pm

“Our cars shouldn’t make wildfires worse – and create more days filled with smoky air.”

Hint for you Gordon, they do … ever seen a Tesla on fire

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  saveenergy
September 23, 2020 9:17 pm

Well, I’ve also seen videos of passenger airplanes on fire 🙂

So I guess Newsom didn’t go far enough.

Matthew Schilling
September 23, 2020 7:46 pm

Imagine thinking you can legislate for the year 2035. Maybe, next, the CA gov’t can start working on laws for the first Mars Colony.

Reply to  Matthew Schilling
September 23, 2020 11:15 pm

So, with first colony Mars, what do you tax the most or as equally important,
what do start taxing, first.

John Pickens
September 23, 2020 7:46 pm

I’ll just have to stop posting my comments about so-called “renewables”. It’s getting boring pointing out that solar PV and wind turbines are not net energy producers. They are subsidy farms which cause a net increase in CO2 emissions, which is their claimed purpose.

Reply to  John Pickens
September 23, 2020 9:50 pm

Please don’t refer to them as ‘farms’, as the lefties invented that term to make them sound warm, fuzzy and useful. Let’s just call them ‘installations’, or even better, ‘blights.’

Mark L Gilbert
Reply to  percy
September 24, 2020 8:16 am

Subsidy Mines

Terry Bixler
September 23, 2020 7:48 pm

It is unfortunate that I live in California that is currently under control of these foolish despots.

Reply to  Terry Bixler
September 25, 2020 7:30 am

You can thank illegal immigration for granting California’s communists not just a majority, but a veto-proof majority. It is axiomatic…There is no such thing as cheap labor.

Med Bennett
September 23, 2020 7:48 pm

I’ve never seen a better reason to vote Republican at every level of government than this ignorant nonsense. Hopefully Californians will see the light and vote this buffoon out of office.

Reply to  Med Bennett
September 24, 2020 2:47 am

Hahaha….that was a good one.

Matthew Schilling
September 23, 2020 7:51 pm

The tweet at the end is cheering a rule for 2035… by applauding the Governor for finally realizing NOW IS THE TIME to take drastic, decisive action. Is that tweet from The Bee? Serious question.

Matthew Schilling
Reply to  Matthew Schilling
September 23, 2020 8:32 pm

Okay, so I re-read the tweet at the end – and now realize it makes the same point I want to make (it is ridiculous, in 2020, to outlaw something in 2035!) Obviously, it’s too late and I’m too tired to be making comments. Goodnight!

Reply to  Matthew Schilling
September 24, 2020 5:08 am

dunno but I suggest the drastic n decisive action wuld be to vote the nutter OUT asap you have a chance?

September 23, 2020 7:52 pm

Governor Newsom in his interview said “we no longer need to drill things or extract things to advance our economic goals”

… contrary to all the evidence. Apparently the frequent rolling blackouts are proof to Newsom that all they need is wind and solar. Well, okay then.

David A
Reply to  stinkerp
September 24, 2020 12:00 am

There is tremendous drilling and extracting for wind and solar.

Why is Griff not here to cheer this plan?

William Astley
September 23, 2020 7:59 pm

Sure, go all electric and then …

The Cambridge report estimated the UK electric grid would need to expanded by a factor of three to cover heating, manufacturing, and transportation… with zero emissions.

“The UK electrical grid power supply output would be required to INCREASE by a factor of THREE (with zero emissions) as all heating, manufacturing, and transportation, is going to be powered from electricity”

Cement cannot be made and there is no solution.

There is no solution as how to power ships or airplanes with zero emissions.

There is no solution as to how to construct buildings or what is going to replace plastics.

There is no solution for how to mine with zero emissions or how to smelt steel. The solution is more recycling.

Green energy is a fable, an urban legend.

And Germany has reached the natural limit of the scam, where more wind and sun gathering does not reduce CO2 emissions in Germany.

Germany have found the absolute limitation of wind and sun gathering.

Germany is at impossible green scam step 1. Germany has hit there are no magic batteries to store electricity for months problems.


In Northern countries, summer is sunny and windy. And winter is cold and often windless.

Germany is at the point there is no load for their green power in the summer and there is insufficient green power in the winter.

Batteries can shift power for a few hours not six months. Batteries lose energy due to internal small continual losses. And it takes a great deal of energy and material to construct batteries.

These magic batteries must load shift all of country’s energy by months.

Try running New York city on batteries for a week.

Reply to  William Astley
September 24, 2020 8:47 am

‘There is no solution as how to power ships or airplanes with zero emissions.’

Yes there is!

‘Airbus reveals three new zero emissions concept aircrafts that could be in commercial use by 2035.’


Walter Sobchak
Reply to  griff
September 24, 2020 9:48 am

Ocean going vehicles that do not burn fossil fuels:

William Astley
Reply to  griff
September 24, 2020 12:15 pm


Get real. The “Green” team are like children, angry clueless children, just like Greta.

The money is gone, gone, gone, and really gone because of Covid.

The Trillions spent on climate change have accomplished zero. No change in climate, as humans did not cause the CO2 rise and the CO2 rise did not cause the temperature rise.

Anyway… back to Airbus’ Zero Concept Idea.

The Airbus “Zero Emissions Concept”…..

The Airbus Zero Emission Idea.. Ta Da…..Power the plane using LIQUID hydrogen.

OK, so what happens if a plane crashes.

Big Bang, local.

Where is the liquid hydrogen for all of the airplanes going to come from?

Liquid hydrogen is one of the most dangerous substances to handle. There is reason why big rockets filled with liquid hydrogen are launched in remote areas.

Bryan A
Reply to  William Astley
September 24, 2020 4:30 pm

So where does all this liquid Hydrogen come from??? HYDROcarbons!!!

Bryan A
Reply to  griff
September 24, 2020 4:28 pm

Interesting link Griff
As far as the airline link goes…
First green option is a Turbo Fan engine that can go 2000 miles (around 1/2 way across the U.S.) and runs on Hydrogen. And where does the Hydrogen come from? HYDROcarbon Fossil Fuels.
The second is a Turbo Prop that travels 1000 miles and is also fuelled by HYDROgen.
And the third also has a range of just 2000 miles and is fueled by HYDROcarbon sourced HYDROgen

Today, 95% of hydrogen is produced either from wood or from fossil fuels, such as natural gas and oil. … The most common hydrogen production process is natural gas reforming — sometimes called steam methane reforming because it uses high-temperature steam

As far as shipping goes (from your link) While electrofuels are carbon-free, they don’t contain as much energy per unit volume as fossil fuels, so with similar onboard storage capacity, zero-carbon ships will need to stop at ports more frequently to refuel. Though every article I find on ElectroFuels indicate they’re also sourced from Hydrogen.

Reply to  griff
September 24, 2020 9:23 pm


Did read the article YOU posted?

It uses HYDROGEN gas!

It take a lot of energy to make large quantities of the gas.

It is very easy to explode.

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  William Astley
September 24, 2020 9:50 am

Walter Sobchak
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
September 24, 2020 11:43 am

moderators sorrry for the double post. please delete the second one.

Bryan A
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
September 24, 2020 4:10 pm

Whew it’s still there…I’ll be sure to watch the second one first, before it is disappeared

September 23, 2020 8:06 pm

The average home in California consumes 19 KWhrs of energy daily. Driving 50 miles daily in a Model 3 uses 14 KWhrs of energy. Most households have 2 cars and 2 drivers. They also want to ban natural gas for heating and cooking. The state already imports a third of its electricity and more than half its oil. The policy might be workable for the affluent. The Poor will have to find a new state to live in.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Sean
September 24, 2020 9:06 am

The California middle class will become the poor if they try to stay.

September 23, 2020 8:07 pm

Governor Newsom in his interview said “we no longer need to drill things or extract things to advance our economic goals”.

Q) Where do you think the materials to make the electric cars come from?
A) Digging, drilling, extraction

The copper and rarer metals in BEV’s is greater than fossil fueled vehicles so even if you recycle what you have today, more is needed for the BEV’s of tomorrow. They try to reduce the use of rarer metals but the total number of cars to build dwarfs the existing availability.

joe long
September 23, 2020 8:09 pm

But, but we only have 10 years left!

California must act now and ban the sale of all new Internal Combustion Engined cars. They’ve known about climate change for years yet have not taken any real action.

They can also ban hydrocarbon fueled generators. This means Pelosi’s ice cream will melt during power failures, but too bad.

Sarc off… sort of.

September 23, 2020 8:12 pm

He says cars will be banned but nothing about trucks, RVs, motorcycles and others powered by gasoline or diesel.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the state doesn’t institute a costly buy back program (mandatory) where they will offer the owner the fair market value for their gasoline powered car. I suspect a majority of the state’s citizens don’t drive the newest cars so they won’t receive enough money to put a down payment on the newest wiz bang alternate fueled car.

Horses might be the next alternate transportation in the state.

Paul Penrose
September 23, 2020 8:17 pm

So Newsom thinks he is a dictator then and does not need the legislature to create laws? Even in CA this EO won’t pass the scrutiny of the courts, even if future Governors don’t erase it first (which is very likely). This amounts to pure virtue signaling by Newsom and you’d have to be an idiot not to realize that.

David J Bufalo
September 23, 2020 8:20 pm

In a recent column by Holman Jenkins in the Wall Streeet Journal, Mr. Jenkins observed that the state of California is responsible for emiting 0.1% if the world’s CO2. Even if California was successful in totally eliminating CO2 emisions, the rest of the world would still emit 99.9% of atmospheric CO2. The governor’s effort to save the planet would be for naught. I suspect car dealers in Las Vegas and Phoenix will see an increase in car sales.

September 23, 2020 8:32 pm

For Cali-phoni-a’s sake, I hope that the public WAKE UP to this farce and they are able to walk back from this lunacy.

The longer it takes.. the more costly will be the recovery, if its even possible.

Jim Veenbaas
September 23, 2020 8:41 pm

The level of political discourse keeps sinking lower and lower and lower. Even the most fully woke climate zealot can’t be so stupid they actually believe this is possible. Are we that dumb as a society? They have rolling blackouts a month ago and now people somehow think it’s possible to put 15 million vehicles on the grid as well. This is sad; just sad. If your political policy can’t fit on a bumper sticker, flush it in the toilet.

Reply to  Jim Veenbaas
September 24, 2020 7:28 am

Are we that dumb as a society?

Sadly, it appears that we are.

September 23, 2020 8:54 pm

I think the Bee reporter is wrong (not surprising, given the quality of media people today). I may be wrong, but I’m pretty sure is what he did is direct CARB to come up with a plan to accomplish that goal. Something he’s already empowered to do. He’s not making dictatorial decrees. I don’t mean to dispute that it’s a ridiculous, idiotic, and unneeded plan. Presidential wanna-be posturing, I’m sure.

Hu Fan
September 23, 2020 9:01 pm

Word problem: Wikipedia says CA can currently generate 80 gw of power. CA also has 15m registered vehicles. Assuming they all travel 10k miles per year and 70 kw gets you 250 miles, how much does the installed generating capacity of CA need to increase to accommodate all of the electric cars?

Bonus: How many square miles of new solar panels are required to supply that electricity?

Bonus bonus: How much energy and tons of earth will need to be used to create all of those batteries and solar panels?

Reply to  Hu Fan
September 24, 2020 7:30 am

According to the CA DMV in 2019 there was double that amount registered in the state.

Reply to  Hu Fan
September 24, 2020 12:43 pm

How much of that 80gW is so called renewable? Every watt of renewable will have to be de-rated by a facto of 4 to 5 to account for the times when it isn’t available.

Joel O'Bryan
September 23, 2020 9:14 pm

Meathead RINO Arnold Schwarzenegger is long gone too as the Governator, but he’s still around to see the disaster that his signing California’s Cap and Trade and emissions schemes 14 years ago are having on 2020 California’s business climate and increasingly unaffordable energy relative to surrounding states and loss of reliable electricity. Cal is already being forced to now delay long-planned retirement of natural gas generation plants now that the rolling blackouts have become a summertime reality. Those are a direct consequence of Arnie’s idiocy in 2006.

And similarly, Gavin Newsom is young enough at 52 today, that while he may be gone from the Governor’s office in 2035, he’ll likely still be here at 67 yr old then. So in 2035, Newsom will get to see how either his ICE car ban is a disaster, or it simply gets kicked to the curb by some future governor when reality comes home. Just like Arnie can now see the slow moving disaster that his 2006 law on emissions capping is having on Cal’s lack of reliable electricity and its rising costs.

Eric Eikenberry
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
September 24, 2020 9:59 am

Newsom is planning to run for President. You can see it in every action he takes. It’s why he wants to position himself as a “forward vision politician”.

John F Hultquist
September 23, 2020 9:17 pm

Average life of an auto is about 12 years.
Proper care (etc.) and 20 years is doable.
So, banning new car sales, and I assume you will not be able to bring autos into CA unless EVs, in 2035 means there will be little noticeable effect until about 2050. Then a long tail on this puppy. Is there a crisis? Apparently not.
That means another 30 years of polluted air, inducing asthma, worse wildfires, melting glaciers, rising sea level, and disappearing beaches.
All this assumes the climate cares what California does or doesn’t do.
Insofar as climate cares not a wit about all this EV stuff, here is an image that summarizes the situation:
Pee on a tree

JimH in CA
Reply to  John F Hultquist
September 24, 2020 8:34 am

The usable life of a car in CA is easily 20 years with the mild climate. But the folks with the 3 year lease will be upset that their huge suv, Benz or Maserati, is no longer available, just electric cars.
20 year old cars in CA run great, but the paint burns off after about 15, so they look like crap.!
My ’97 Chevy still get 30 mpg around town and 40 on the highway, and passed it’s last smog check with 3 ppm hc and 0.00% co.

John F Hultquist
Reply to  JimH in CA
September 24, 2020 10:20 am

The usable life of a car in CA is easily 20 years

I agree. The “average” life gets dragged down by the ones that are crashed in the first few months. There is some pulling of the mean higher by the historic cars that are many decades old. More crashed than saved, perhaps.

the paint burns off
We owned a ’93 Buick. Those and many other autos of the time had a bad primer (or something) and paint came off in big flakes. Gray under the paint coat.
not ours, but similar

Reply to  John F Hultquist
September 24, 2020 4:57 pm

My understanding of the paint failures back then was due to attempting to reduce VOC’s in the paint. I think Dodge was the first with their pick up trucks.
The primer was water based. The bond between the primer and finish paint coat failed due to some sort of bacteria attacking the primer. A biocide was latter added to the water based primer formula.

Al Miller
September 23, 2020 9:17 pm

Please just get rid of all fossil fuels in California right now. Let the rest of us watch in sad amusement at the predictable results. Walk your walk Governor!
Let California lead the way- into , something…

Paul Johnson
September 23, 2020 9:33 pm

The Guardian has reported this as a ban on “gas-only” vehicles. If that is the case, plug-in gasoline hybrids would still be allowed. By 2035, improving electric technology and decreasing battery costs will likely plug-in hybrids the most economical drivetrain option, even if it’s never plugged in. That makes this pure virtue signaling with no real impact.

September 23, 2020 9:35 pm

Who voted for this person? How bad was his opposition?

Reply to  Robber
September 24, 2020 12:47 pm

Thanks to CA’s new run-off law, the opposition was likely another Democrat.

Reply to  MarkW
September 24, 2020 3:06 pm

Make that their new primary system. With the new system, runoffs aren’t needed anymore.

anna v
September 23, 2020 9:36 pm

An old saying attributed to the ancients

“Whom the gods would destroy, they first make mad.”

From the greek original one could instead substitute for “mad” ” a moron” .

I suppose all civilizations end, in a sense by self destruction. Maybe we are living the end of the western civilization. Morons cannot lead a civilization.

September 23, 2020 9:36 pm

“There is no solution as how to power ships”
Nuclear powered warships have been roaming the oceans for years. Planes? – perhaps not, although maybe we just haven’t been told about it.

September 23, 2020 9:45 pm

If you read the actual order you will realize that all the reports of a ban are fake news. The order just establishes a “goal”:

1. It shall be a goal of the State that 100 percent of in-state sales of new passenger cars and trucks will be zero-emission by 2035.”

Why just a goal and not a ban? Because the esteemed governor does not have the authority to establish a ban — that would take the legislature.

Is this order stupid? Yes. Because by 2035 electric vehicles are likely to be so popular that it will seem ridiculous to try to force people to buy them. Like restrictions on light bulbs, the order seeks to prematurely force people to move to new technologies when they are already heading in that direction by their own volition. It’s abhorrent to use the force of government for such a purpose.

Do I think Newsom is dumber than a box of hammers? Yes. Just look up the interview he did with Adam Carolla a few years ago. But just because Newsom is a detestable nitwit doesn’t mean that the reports of a “ban” aren’t fake news.

Reply to  NJO
September 24, 2020 9:05 am

“Because by 2035 electric vehicles are likely to be so popular that it will seem ridiculous to try to force people to buy them.”

Will that be before or after the Unicorn ranches are established?

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  MarkW
September 24, 2020 8:30 pm

Don’t be silly, Mark.

There will never be unicorn ranches, because they will never be able to hire enough Pixies as ranch hands. The Pixie union would never allow it.

September 23, 2020 10:21 pm

Don’t worry about it. This will be rescinded in the future.

John Endicott
Reply to  Karim Ghantous
September 24, 2020 5:38 am

Only if Commiefornians elect some sane politicians to office. Given their track record, I find that highly unlikely. The best hope for the residents of Commiefornia is for the legal battle over it to reach the Supreme Court, where at least then you have a hope of it being ruled unconstitutional (a hope whose likelihood will increase with Trump’s replacement for RBG).

September 23, 2020 11:11 pm

You gotta love watermelon logic for a laugh. First they kick off their bleeding obvious law of unintended consequences-
So then they reckon it’s a massive subsidy to the fossil fuel industry which must stop and these are the same clowns who subsidize well to do EV owners. When none of it pans out the way it did smoking ill advised substances now the brains trust effectively want to ban ordinary income earners from using private transport.

You can see it coming can’t you? Ordinary income earners abandoning California in order to afford private transport elsewhere and where will that leave the remainders wanting their Teslas serviced and maintained among other sundry requirements? Or will they be able to slip across the border and/or truck in cheap used ICEs to register locally Guvnah? Do enlighten us all with the finer details as I suspect there’ll be a lot of new car dealers on the border selling demo ICEs if you can’t.

September 23, 2020 11:14 pm

Newsom can easily solve the night time demand for power to charge electric vehicles: another executive order requiring people to work night shifts so their cars can charge in the daytime. Or just ban cars so everyone has to use transit. /sarc

Reply to  Ralph Dave Westfall
September 24, 2020 12:23 am

We have a serious Californy Gubernatorial race on our hands here folks!

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Ralph Dave Westfall
September 24, 2020 2:03 am

“xecutive order requiring people to work night shifts”

No need to, just stop working. AOC has promised full income anyway.

Alternatively you can use the new flying cars:
Flying cars to be tested in Australia – NZ Herald
They are electric, they are expensive and don’t go far – what more could you wish fore!

Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
September 24, 2020 3:54 am

“Flying cars capable of reaching speeds of up to 300km/h will be tested in a new facility in New South Wales (NSW), Australia.
NSW will spend just over NZ$1 million to build a “state-of-the-art” testing facility for the flying cars in Narromine, near Dubbo.”

All those unused airports at present and they have to spend money on a state-of-the-art facility? Does it take off does it fly around the airport and does it land in one piece? What am I missing here?

Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
September 24, 2020 8:19 am

Yes!! Just work out the physics on the weight of the batteries, the power per pound, the power required to lift all that, and you probably get a flight duration of, um, about 10 minutes. If you’re lucky.

September 24, 2020 12:38 am

So…. “We no longer need to drill things or extract things to advance our economic goals”

Where does he thinks plastic and rubbers and more come from?

What about the tires on these cars? Wooden wheels? Oh wait.. there are no more trees. All burnt to the ground.

No plastic in the cars is possible… biodegradable made from lactic acid maybe? It will all melt under the hot sun.

What about the fabric on the seats, carpet, etc… nope! Most fabrics are made from petroleum.

Not even talking about all the energy needed to get all the metals and minerals….

Can people be so gullible to think that is feasible?

But, seriously, if we don’t find alternatives to petroleum as a source of chemicals to make stuff, humanity will be forced to live in fur and huts at some point.

Reply to  RayB
September 24, 2020 5:31 am

Oh dear, the UK government is considering a plan to ban the sale of fur.

And isn’t fur banned from sale in California?

Ronald Bruce
September 24, 2020 12:59 am

All the doomsayers predict cathrosphe and impose their rulings, we know what is good for you, way in the future when they will not be around to accept the consequences of their actions and will never be held responsible for the disasters they have inflicted on us

Reply to  Ronald Bruce
September 24, 2020 7:34 am

Predict catastrophe, impose rulings, wait for them to screw things up, then say “It’s worse than we thought, we need to do more!”

Ed Zuiderwijk
September 24, 2020 1:08 am

The governor may regret this grandstanding. I forsee that the great American public will have none of it and remove him from office at the first opportunity. Being unemployed and obviously unemployable the only option left to him will be that of a used car salesman.

Brooks Hurd
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
September 25, 2020 12:22 pm

Newsom does not care. He is part of the 4 families who have run the state of California for the past one and one half centuries. He has enough inherited wealth that he never needed to work for a living.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
September 24, 2020 1:13 am

Alternative reality plan B is to buy a generator so when the lights start going out – never mind having power to charge clown cars for the wealthy stupid – requires that petrol is still available to buy . In the U.K. the green lunacy is so extreme I doubt petrol stations will be allowed to exist .

Can any kind person please point me in the direction of a guide to home grown fuel crops and small scale fuel production so it will still be possible to keep paraffin type heaters going in winter?
I’m not willing to take the word of those dumb enough to lead us into this green new world that it won’t be necessary to do this, especially looking at their track record so far.

September 24, 2020 3:01 am

Programmed Future is incompatible with Democracy. What these people in this generation are doing is making obligations for like 2035, 2050 etc. – they try to deprive the future democratic majority (in 2035, 2050 etc.) of the ability to make decisions, via some kind of legacy obligations inherited from previous generations.

They do this by making now detailed programs of what should happen in the future, that the new majorities of the future would need to follow, rather than deciding on their own.

September 24, 2020 3:08 am

He can only ban sales of (probably new) gas powered cars. But where are the 2035 gas powered cars he wants to ban? No automaker will be producing gas powered cars in 2035. GM won’t be building anything but electric cars after 2025. I doubt that Newsome ever knows what he’s talking about. He is an incredibly ignorant person. In other words, your typical California official.

John Endicott
Reply to  ColMosby
September 24, 2020 5:31 am

No automaker will be producing gas powered cars in 2035.

That remains to be seen. If the buying public ain’t buying into the EVs, the car makers that continue to sell gas powered cars will thrive while those who insist on only selling EVs will become nothing more than small niche producers (If they even remain a viable business), even if they are formerly “big” names like GM.

EVs are currently a small percentage of the entire new car buying market in the US (2% of the market). And EV sales were down in 2019 compared to 2018 (Coincidentally, or not, the tax credit for several makes/models of EVs had either begun their phase our or had already completed their phase out). According to an estimate by Bloomberg New Energy Finance, only 35% of new car sales will be EVs in 2040 (and that 35% figure includes gas-using plug-in hybrids).

Either the Market will decide the winner based on what people want (in which case nothing but EVs by 2035 simply won’t happen, the Market, at least here in the US, has not, is not, and likely will not embrace EVs unless and until they can fairly complete with ICE vehicles on price, range, carrying capacity, etc. EVs are still a good ways away from being able to do so, and it’s unclear that they can ever get there barring some major breakthrough). or government will decide what people are allowed (in which case, democracy is dead).

Reply to  ColMosby
September 24, 2020 9:09 am

If GM is going to go with only electrics in less than 5 years, then they should have started re-tooling all of their manufacturing facilities by now.

Like your belief that molten salt reactors are just around the corner, this one also doesn’t stand up to scrutiny.

Reply to  ColMosby
September 24, 2020 12:50 pm

Col, just how much do you have invested in Molten Salt Reactors?

September 24, 2020 3:56 am

Does the Governor have the authority to require zero emission cars by Executive Order? Shouldn’t it require Legislative action?

Bruce Cobb
September 24, 2020 4:04 am

“we no longer need to drill things or extract things to advance our economic goals”
Here’s the thing about “things”. They don’t generally just appear on the surface. Even water, our most basic necessary “thing” is often drilled for. And lots of “things” necessary for building the things Climate Liars want like wind and solar plants have to be mined.
Newsom needs to get a clue, which is a “thing”. He might have to drill or extract it though.

Tony Sullivan
September 24, 2020 4:15 am

Gov Newsome should have consulted with Musk before making such a grand proclamation:

September 24, 2020 4:48 am

Every state should ban battery waste imports from California. All battery production waste created to meet the California battery demand should be disposed of in California.

Tim Gorman
September 24, 2020 4:49 am

I’m surprised no one has brought up Wickard v. Filburn. That SCOTUS decision basically says that almost everything you can buy is considered interstate commerce. No state can ban anything considered to be interstate commerce, only the federal government can do that. This executive order won’t stand unless the federal government bans ICE vehicles and that isn’t likely to happen.

This is just one more indication that Democrats, including Democrat governors, can act as dictators and tell us all how we must live – no individual choice allowed. This act by Newsome is very similar to King George’s Tax Act, one of the driving forces behind the Declaration of Independence in 1776. Will we have enough courage in the future to act as those patriots did?

M__ S__
September 24, 2020 4:55 am

First: when did California (and many states) become a dictatorship? Was legislation passed?

Second: what’s with the Harry Potter style of governance? It’s as though dictates need no basis in reality. If it is declared so then it must be.

September 24, 2020 4:57 am

Bet dollars to donuts that if somebody investigates
who supported the people who wrote and/or pushed for
this bill, they’d find that they have a financial interest
in green tech.

John Endicott
September 24, 2020 5:05 am

“We no longer need to drill things or extract things to advance our economic goals”

Really? so where is the lithium for the batteries of all of these electric cars going to come from? (not to mention the metal, plastic, rubber, and other parts of the vehicles that all come from “drilled or extracted” things)

California can’t supply enough electricity for current electricity demand (see: Rolling blackouts) how are they going to supply it with the greatly increased demand that having a population of all-electric cars? Particularly since they refuse to build more reliable (IE fossil fuel and nuclear) power generation and instead insist on depending on unreliables (IE wind & solar)

Reply to  John Endicott
September 24, 2020 8:44 am

Musk’s new mine in Nevada?

‘On the topic of lithium, Elon Musk said that there was enough lithium in Nevada alone to electrify the entire US.’

See also:

Cornwall mining boom: UK set for SURGE in mining after ‘significant’ lithium discovery

Bryan A
Reply to  griff
September 24, 2020 6:36 pm

While Nevada may have lithium in the ground, good luck getting the envirowacos to let you dig it up
It’ll be needed for all the psychosis that CC hysteria will cause

John Endicott
Reply to  griff
September 25, 2020 3:02 am

‘On the topic of lithium, Elon Musk said that there was enough lithium in Nevada alone to electrify the entire US…Cornwall mining boom: UK set for SURGE in mining after ‘significant’ lithium discovery.’

And how will it get out of the ground and into the products needed to “electrify the entire US” without “drill things or extract things”? Not to mention the fossil fuels needs to power the “drill things or extract things” as well as for the manufacture of the things that do the “drill things or extract things”.

Hint: Mining requires “drill things or extract things” and it also uses a lot of fossil fuels in the “drill things or extract things” process.

September 24, 2020 5:06 am

I wonder where he thinks an EV battery comes from? just handed down fom the clouds by fairies? we no longer have to extract things? seriously? is he that stupid?

John Endicott
Reply to  yarpos
September 24, 2020 5:32 am

He’s a far leftist, so the answer to your question is: Yep, he is that stupid.

Rod Evans
Reply to  yarpos
September 24, 2020 5:54 am

Yarpos, I am guessing the answer to your question is, yes he is.
Sadly we must also call into question the background sanity of those who live in California. Remember it is the residents of California, that keep voting these ignoramuses into office. What does it tell us about them?

Jeffery P
September 24, 2020 5:14 am

California passed a law that takes effect so far in the future that people will forget who to blame for it’s unintended consequences. That’s political courage, that’s what that is.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Jeffery P
September 24, 2020 6:35 am

I believe it was an Executive Order. That means that a former governor will be telling you what you can and cannot do.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
September 24, 2020 9:14 am

The Democrats have been proclaiming that it is unconstitutional for Trump to cancel any of Obama’s executive orders.

September 24, 2020 5:16 am

Make the big flourish announcement and handball the fine details-

Doesn’t say what will happen if you move to California and bring your new ICE with you or can you truck in a demo/used one from interstate and get it registered. If you ban the latter for existing residents but not the former you’ll get a lot of temporary residents from interstate with one or more ICE cars they’re really arbitraging so you have to set up rules around that.

As fast as you make the rules to control quantity in the marketplace the arbitragers will find ways to grab the higher price that ensues. There’s no smooth transitioning to be had here with an abrupt ban that will see massive sales of new ICEs and hoarding of them in the leadup to it. The alternative is to regularly jack up the price of ICEs in a staged manner to meet the higher price of EVs but that requires unpopular regular tax hikes which Newson clearly lacks the conviction to implement. Leave it to the next lot to sort out but they’ll find the definitive deadline too hard for the obvious.

September 24, 2020 5:38 am

Sometimes wasting money turns out unexpectedly to be a good thing.

Brian Johnston
September 24, 2020 5:59 am

He is either as thick as 10 planks or he is an arch conspirator.
Either way, cluey or clueless he is dangerous.
He wants us all living in a village riding horses.
I bet his horse will be white.
Return to the feudal society.
What an a$$…e
I guess he will be voted out.

George DeBusk
September 24, 2020 7:17 am

It would be truly frightening if a governor is able to unilaterally make such a change in the economy via executive order. He should at least put it through the rubber stamp legislature in Sacramento.

Or has California adopted Gubernatorial Dictatorship without telling us?

September 24, 2020 7:27 am

So the flow of stolen vehicles will reverse from Tijuana back to California instead of the other direction. We can make a good deal for you gringo.

September 24, 2020 7:46 am

We’ve had solar panel on our roof for 3 years and its a good thing I don’t drive an EV. Thanks to Newsom’s Forest Mismanagement, huge fires have caused us to have numerous days of zero or near-zero solar production. The smoke was so thick it blocked the sun for days. I used my gas powered vehicles to get around but, it has cost us lost power earnings/savings, clogged A/C filters, and I’ve had to go up on the roof to clean the solar panels a couple times because they were covered in ash. Thanks Gavin

Joel Snider
September 24, 2020 7:48 am

For years people have been telling me ‘they’ll never do THAT’ – on a whole host issues – and I keep telling them – they’ll do it the second they can.

The Dark Lord
September 24, 2020 8:09 am

there is no oil left to extract ITS ALL IN HIS HAIR !!!

September 24, 2020 8:18 am

Typical politician making claims for the future that can’t be met but sound good to some people today.

Gordon A. Dressler
September 24, 2020 8:35 am

Waiting for the Governor’s executive order that will state California is to receive $10 trillion cash by the year 2035.

“So let it be written. So let it be done.”—Pharaoh, in the movie The Ten Commandments

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
September 24, 2020 12:17 pm
September 24, 2020 8:38 am

Everyone. Please calm down. Why are you obsessing about an utterance on social media from a pure politician about something supposed to happen 15 years in the future? As Scott Adams has aptly observed, he wants to gain your attention and focus and it appears from all of the comments presented that he is succeeding smashingly. Technical and scientific facts and arguments are irrelevant to him (and probably barely comprehensible as well). He wants to persuade a certain cohort of people (Dems and Greens) that he is worthy of their present and future support. That’s it, IMHO.

Reply to  PMuller
September 24, 2020 12:41 pm

You are correct. Executive orders are the equivalent of a Letter to Santa Claus.

No one really has to do anything about it because there is no penalty for failing to observe the order.

September 24, 2020 8:43 am

‘like a 2700% increase in lithium extraction’

‘On the topic of lithium, Elon Musk said that there was enough lithium in Nevada alone to electrify the entire US. He also said that Tesla recycles 100% of is vehicle batteries today and hopes to cut cobalt out of batteries entirely. If he can do this, use more nickel, and make several other improvements throughout the full battery production process, this could cut the costs of EV batteries in half.’

Problem solved!

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  griff
September 24, 2020 10:33 am

“On the topic of lithium, Elon Musk said that there was enough lithium in Nevada alone to electrify the entire US.”

In contrast:
“Broadly speaking, electrification was the build-out of the electricity generation and electric power distribution systems that occurred in Britain, the United States, and other now-developed countries from the mid-1880s until around 1950 and is still in progress in rural areas in some developing countries . . . The electrification of households in Europe and North America began in the early 20th century in major cities and in areas served by electric railways and increased rapidly until about 1930 when 70% of households were electrified in the U.S.”—source:,Household%20electrification,were%20electrified%20in%20the%20U.S.

Thanks, Elon, but the US has done just fine doing electrification without the need now for the toxic lithium you will be mining.

Brooks Hurd
Reply to  griff
September 24, 2020 11:35 am

California has neither the power infrastructure, nor the power production to go fully electric. To day California imports over 30% of its electricity, and as we found during the recent heatwave there was not enough power to be bought from neighboring States to keep the lights on. If you purchase an electric vehicle, you will find that you need to upgrade the electricity for the charger. Standard chargers need to 220 V 3 phase. If I however you wish to have a Tesla Supercharger, then you will need 480 vokt 3 phase. This will mean not only upgrading the power panels and wiring in your house, but also upgrading the entire upstream electrical grid.

Once California shuts down Diablo Canyon nuclear plant, the state would need to import 40% of its power. Now bear in mind this is at to day’s consumption rates which are not based on 100% electrical homes and 100% EVs. Where is California going to get that power?

Bryan A
Reply to  griff
September 24, 2020 4:39 pm

‘On the topic of lithium, Elon Musk said that there was enough lithium in Nevada alone to electrify the entire US. He also said that Tesla recycles 100% of is vehicle batteries today and hopes to cut cobalt out of batteries entirely. If he can do this, use more nickel, and make several other improvements throughout the full battery production process, this could cut the costs of EV batteries in half.’

Problem solved!

On the topic of lithium, Elon Musk said that there was enough lithium in Nevada alone to electrify the entire US. He also said that Tesla recycles 100% of is vehicle batteries today and hopes to cut cobalt out of batteries entirely. If he can do this, use more nickel, and make several other improvements throughout the full battery production process, this could cut the costs of EV batteries in half.’
The only thing missing was prayer

Problem solved!

Bryan A
Reply to  griff
September 24, 2020 6:39 pm

Still preaching the gospel according to the Prophet Musk

John Endicott
Reply to  griff
September 25, 2020 3:18 am

Elon Musk said that there was enough lithium in Nevada alone to electrify the entire US.

He’s about a century and a half behind the times. the US electrification began back in the mid/late 1800s and the process was pretty much finished by the mid-1900s. lithium wasn’t required. at all.

September 24, 2020 8:51 am
Steve Z
September 24, 2020 9:43 am

Where does Ravin’ Gavin think the electricity will come from to power all those electric cars?

A typical internal combustion engine converts about 30% of the heat energy in the fuel to power to turn the wheels of a vehicle.

A typical electric motor converts about 80% of the input electrical energy to power, so that whatever process produces the electricity must be at least 37.5% efficient for the overall system to generate less CO2 than using gasoline.

A combined-cycle natural-gas-fired power plant can get up to 60% efficiency (power produced / heating value of natural gas), but this is only for a combined-cycle plant, where hot flue gases at low pressure are used to generate steam, which is used to run a steam turbine. A simple-cycle power plant, without a steam turbine, is usually about 35% efficient, so that using simple-cycle power plants to charge electric cars would simply transfer the CO2 emissions from the car’s tailpipe to the power plant.

The problem in California is that many of the natural-gas-fired power plants are simple-cycle “peakers”, which can be fired up quickly for high-demand periods (hot summer afternoons with high air-conditioning demand), while the steam turbines of combined-cycle plants need to run continuously to be cost-effective. This may become cost-effective if lots of people are charging their electric cars at night, which is otherwise low-demand at night.

As for other sources of electricity, hydroelectric power can work in the winter and early spring (the wet season in the Sierras), except that too many dams have been taken down by Greenies worried about the survival of the delta smelt. But hydro can’t keep up with demand in the summer, with peak air-conditioning demand and very little water flowing over the dams.

Nuclear power would definitely work and reduce emissions, but they must be built far away from any seismic faults, to avoid a California version of Fukushima. But could anyone get a nuclear power plant permitted in California?

Newsom: “You deserve to have a car that doesn’t give your kids asthma.”

Where is the scientific or medical evidence that high CO2 levels cause asthma in children? Some of the other pollutants from untreated car exhaust (unburned hydrocarbons, CO, NOx) are toxic, but that’s why the EPA has been requiring catalytic converters since the 1970’s, and most states require yearly emission tests on older cars.

Reply to  Steve Z
September 24, 2020 12:57 pm

Don’t forget that depending on how far away the generator is, as much as 10 to 15% can be lost during transmission. The best battery chargers are only around 95% efficient. Battery charge and discharge losses can be well over 10%, especially if you fast charge and have a lead foot while driving. Finally the power regulator is also around 95% efficient.
As a result as much as 30% of the energy can be lost between the generator and the electric motor.

September 24, 2020 10:03 am

I can just see millions of California residents in their gasoline cars and pickups crowding onto the freeways and heading out of California – for good. One can only hope that the courts overrule this nonsense or that the next governor has enough common sense to reverse this executive order of stupidity.

John Endicott
Reply to  BillTheGeo
September 25, 2020 3:21 am

You’ll have better luck with the former, as the voters in commiefornia don’t seem to know how to vote in governors that have any common sense anymore. Reagan was probably the last Governor they voted in that had common sense, and that was half a century ago.

September 24, 2020 12:10 pm

“We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” Ayn Rand

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Dan Pangburn
September 24, 2020 12:29 pm

But are those consequences reality or not?

Recursion, in text as well as in mathematics, has this funny habit of tending to explode or implode.

Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
September 24, 2020 2:07 pm

Consequences are by definition real.

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Dan Pangburn
September 24, 2020 4:18 pm

Then, by Ayn Rand’s statement we can ignore them.

John Endicott
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
September 25, 2020 3:06 am

You can try, but just like reality, as much as you may want to ignore it, it has a tendency to bit you in the butt anyway.

September 24, 2020 12:11 pm
September 24, 2020 2:14 pm

Gavin gruesome Newsom just eliminated any need for car manufacturer’s, worldwide, to care about meeting California standards.

I think that is wonderful!

“Gov. Gavin Newsom on Wednesday issued an executive order requiring the sale of all new passenger vehicles to be zero-emission by 2035, a move the governor says would achieve a significant reduction in greenhouse gas emissions”

According to gruesome’s wording, he just banned the sale of all cars; since there are zero cars that are truly zero-emission. Every car, including electric cars, cause emissions.

Reply to  ATheoK
September 24, 2020 3:19 pm

since there are zero cars that are truly zero-emission. Every car, including electric cars, cause emissions.

Shared/shifted responsibility. Also, the “out-of-sight and out-of-mind” sociopoliticoscientific model. Perhaps just a plausible mischaracterization, and assertions/assumptions infilled with brown matter.

September 24, 2020 2:36 pm

Gov. Newson isn’t going far enough. All materials to produce these batteries have to be mined in the beautiful state of California. Make it a true ‘Made in CA battery’.
We must stop importing car batteries…..

Gordon A. Dressler
Reply to  Peter
September 24, 2020 8:45 pm

No, no, no. Didn’t you read at the very top of the article “According to Governor Newsom, ‘we no longer need to drill things or extract things to advance our economic goals’ “.

So, no drilling for petroleum or extracting lithium from mining in California (sorry, Elon). I expect Newsom’s executive order stating this next week.

P.S. The knucklehead is obviously unaware that Tesla’s (as well as all other EV’s) use petroleum-derived lubricating oils and greases on vehicle shafts and wheel bearings. Guess how long they would operate without these “drilled things”. And, yes, I know about “synthetics”.

John Endicott
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
September 25, 2020 3:09 am

What he real means is “we no longer need to drill things or extract things in California to advance our economic goals” just like they don’t need to generate electricity (from fossil fuels) in state. They’ll just push that stuff off to other places. It’s NIMBY at a grand scale.

John Endicott
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
September 25, 2020 3:15 am

The dirty little secret of “synthetics” is that it uses ordinary petroleum as the main feedstock. So even “synthetics” require “drill things or extract things”.

September 24, 2020 5:42 pm

50% of California’s in-state electricity is generated by burning natural gas. 32% of its electricity is imported from out of state, including large amount of it from burning fossil fuels such as coal and natural gas, in addition to NW generated hydro powered electricity. Wind and solar powered electricity is but a small percentage, and wind farms and solar farms are hated by most coastal Californians due to their killing of bird populations, destruction of fragile desert ecosystems and huge footprints.

September 24, 2020 7:29 pm

Maybe Jay Leno should ditch the current political party in charge and run for governor on the “Motorhead” ticket.

Tom Abbott
September 25, 2020 5:36 am

No room for hybrids, I guess. All-electric, or nothing.

Look at all the insanity the Climategate Charlatans have caused. Somebody ought to go to jail over this Human-caused Climate Change scam.

Bryan A
Reply to  Tom Abbott
September 25, 2020 2:51 pm

That’s because Hybrids still use Fossil Fuels thus still requiring their extraction drilling

September 26, 2020 7:58 pm

Does California impose gasoline taxes? How does the governor propose to overcome that revenue shortfall?