If Facebook is any indicator, @RealDonaldTrump will win #2020Election by a blowout

People send me stuff. I got Facebook messages this past weekend inviting me to “like” both Donald Trump’s and Joe Biden’s pages. What I found most interesting was the HUGE disparity in likes and followers, and I thought it worth noting here.

See the highlights in the screencaps below:

Source: https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump accessed Monday 7/27/20 11:15AM PDT
Source: https://www.facebook.com/joebiden/ accessed Monday 7/27/20 11:15AM PDT

Trump has 28,449,428 likes, with 30,249,329 followers, while Biden has 2,182,873 likes and 2,383,321 followers.

That’s greater than a 10 to 1 ratio in likes and followers between the two candidates. While there’s certainly nothing scientific about Facebook, the numbers themselves fly in the face of all these recent news polls that show Biden leading by widened margins in key states.

I think it’s more likely that conservatives simply don’t engage in polls, resulting in left-skew, just like in 2016.

Hopefully, Mr. Trump will win, and keep us out the madness that is (was) the Paris Climate Accord as he did not long after taking office.

And, thanks Mr. President, for reading WUWT:

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David Middleton
July 27, 2020 11:48 am

Agree with you, Anthony, all the way.

Reply to  David Middleton
July 27, 2020 4:54 pm

After 4 years of attacks on Trump by the media, many not even true, I’m surprised anyone would admit to a stranger that they planned to vote for Trump.

So Biden ahead by 5 points in polls
means nothing.

Our goobermint claims 11 percent unemployment and then reports that 32 million Americans are collecting unemployment compensation, out of a 160 million work force, which is a 20 percent unemployment rate.

How do you get reelected with a real 20 percent unemployment rate?

Biden needs a reason to not debate.

Governors need a reason to forbid Trump rallies.

The reason would be COVID-19.

The winner will be the man who generates the most enthusiasm before the election.

Trump needs big rallies for that.

In 2016 Trump ran on a lot of promises and no track record.

In 2020 Trump has a track record and Biden can make empty promises now.

I predict just before the election Democrats will accuse Trump of creating Covid-19, colluding with Russians, to make China look bad, or something like that.

That will be a NY Times cover story.

mario lento
Reply to  Richard Greene
July 27, 2020 6:01 pm

I saw that this is what a cornered rat looks like… replace rat with the LEFT cabal including MSM, the entirety of the Dem Party, embedded factions in government. America is watching. I am on FB as one of the Un-silent majority. I meet a lot of people who share my beliefs. I even, just yesterday, was told by a far Left liberal friend that she cannot vote for Joe Biden. Then she said, she’d vote for Kanye West before voting for Biden and finally, after I summarized briefly what’s going on, she said, she was going to have to vote for Trump. This was a big deal. Things are soooo bad with the implosion of the Left, and the cancer plus chemo they are foisting on the US, that people who hate Trump will vote for him.


paul courtney
Reply to  David Middleton
July 27, 2020 5:23 pm

David: (sarc/) Looking at those numbers, are you concerned that this is another Russian disinformation campaign? We know they are trying to interfere in our election, right? Using social media and all that? Better get the FBI on that (I’m kidding, but would not be surprised to learn Peter Strzok left a secret team in place). Sarc/ off- The numbers are consistent with observation, and I’m getting good laughs from reports on “polls” showing Biden ha ha ahead by ha 15 points hahahahaha!!!

Eric Elsam
Reply to  paul courtney
July 27, 2020 6:33 pm

As Glenn Reynolds of Instapundit fame would say, “don’t get cocky.” Remember Dewey vs Truman in 1948 when the pollsters based their disastrous prediction on telephone interviews when only the relatively prosperous had ‘phones. In this case it’s my understanding from my under 25 grandkids that no-one their age uses Facebook.

Reply to  Eric Elsam
July 27, 2020 10:52 pm

And few people under 25 bother to vote. Thank God and your grandkids for that.

Reply to  paul courtney
July 28, 2020 3:43 am

There was never a Russian influence in the last election. The Steele dossier was made up from information given by an man in The United States and paid for by Hilliery.

Richard Hill
Reply to  David Middleton
July 27, 2020 6:21 pm

To David and Anthony, I love WUWT, and especially DM’s contributions. It is great to know the USA President follows WUWT.
BUT, please can you keep away from political opinions. We get so much of it from other places. I like to pass on some WUWT things to other people, and its better that WUWT is known as a scientific/analytical blog rather than yet another partisan political blog.

Reply to  Richard Hill
July 27, 2020 6:41 pm

It’s easy to avoid those articles on subjects that you don’t like. Just read the title.
Why is it that so many concern trolls actually go through the effort of reading an article that they know they won’t like, in order to complain about too many articles that they don’t like.

Regardless, Climate Alarmism has been about the politics, not the science, since day one.
If we don’t play ball in the same court, we are doomed to failure.

mario lento
Reply to  MarkW
July 27, 2020 6:51 pm

Mark… I agree! My response was very similar. Unreal how other people tell WUWT how to run their business! There is a reason WUWT is number 1…

Laws of Nature
Reply to  MarkW
July 28, 2020 5:10 am

Well, so you should be active and NOT hold back your opinion in any other article and just ignore one (very important) topic, because you have a different opinion..

I struggle to understand why either party would pick such a candidate, Biden was never strong (not on climate or anything), Trump, well in my opinion, he lies too much, whores around and does not represent anything I value!
The fact that he said a few three word sentences about climate, does not make him knowledgeable, about this topic or anything.
I do believe, that he does not care about climate, race or religion. He does not understand these topics very well as he is a narcissist and diagnosed sociopath.
Both seem to have a form of dementia and are just too old to hold any strenuous job and should not have control over the nuclear arsenal!
I cannot understand by which criteria either of them would be the lesser evil as neither of them was or ever will be a good (Vice) president!

Reply to  Laws of Nature
July 28, 2020 9:57 am

Hey, Laws of Nature, exactly WHO diagnosed Trump as a sociopath? What shrink(s) have actually examined him?So far as I am aware the claims of his mental state/diagnoses have all been based on news clips. Not exactly what I would call scientific.

Reply to  Laws of Nature
July 28, 2020 10:14 am

Where did I even imply that someone should only comment if they agree with an article.

The original commenter was whining that an article such as this should not exist on this site.

mario lento
Reply to  Richard Hill
July 27, 2020 6:43 pm

It’s a discussion about a scientific or not, poll that will determine the future of energy and climate policy. I think it’s on topic. It’s no more political than the Summary for Policy Makers.

As well, the subject matter is perfectly clear enough for you to not click to participate, me thinks.

Reply to  Richard Hill
July 27, 2020 6:45 pm

Well said, Richard

Reply to  Richard Hill
July 27, 2020 6:46 pm

This David Middleton isn’t me.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Richard Hill
July 27, 2020 7:41 pm

Considering how wrapped up in politics the issues written and discussed here are, I find it hard to understand how anyone can assert that people here should not discuss the political situation in this country and in the rest of the world.
CAGW is more than anything else a political issue.
It sure aint about science.
If it was about science, the main issue discussed here would not exist.

Reply to  Richard Hill
July 27, 2020 7:43 pm

Yeah. I’m with Richard.
Just because we all share some opinions on climate with Trump, that does not make the rest of his persona or his actions any more palatable to me.

Reply to  markx
July 27, 2020 11:01 pm

Policy trumps personality. Trump will be history in five years no matter what, but those are years we desperately need to hold the Marxist climate charlatans at bay long enough for a critical mass to wake up to the AGW scam.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  brians356
July 28, 2020 7:53 am

5 years won’t be enough to even slow down the CAGW train. 4 more years of Trump will just make them more and more hyperbolic, and every stiff wind will be evidence of human-caused extreme weather.

Reply to  brians356
July 29, 2020 2:32 am

True, Jeff.
I’ve recently realized that even 30 or so years of no increases or event of constant gradual cooling would not derail convictions amongst those who are already convinced. They’d have a good twenty years explaining it was all natural variation (an argument they claim is off limits to us) and then they’d bluff it out for another 10 or so.
After about 50 years of gradual temperature decline they might concede, but I’m not going to be around to hear it.
A precipitous drop would be more convincing, but that seems an unlikely event.

On the other side of the argument, I need more than the intricately constructed satellite data and the heavily homogenized surface temperature data, and the repeated pronouncements that every extreme (and highly variable) weather event was ‘proof’ to be convinced there is a problem.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
Reply to  markx
July 28, 2020 12:45 am

Excuse me for asking but what is unpalatable about Trump?

He was a birther? Current issues surely are more important than that?

What else has he done wrong by you?

Just curious and yeah, I know I am not a citizen of the USA.

John Endicott
Reply to  Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
July 28, 2020 3:20 am

There are many things not to like about Trump personality wise. But we don’t (or shouldn’t) elect presidents based on their personality. Jimmy Carter was, by all accounts, very nice personality wise, but his time in office was a disaster because he simply wasn’t a good president.

Adrian Mann
Reply to  Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
July 28, 2020 9:55 am

Trump is the Broken Clock President – purely accident, he happens to hold a single view you agree with. He has not arrived at that opinion through knowledge, expertise, diligent research, advice from experts, but because some of his Good Old Boys aren’t making enough money the way things are, and will make less money if they change. They’re making their money from the likes of us, mind you.
And what is unpalatable about One-Term-Trump? Imagine this: You have an attractive 16 year-old daughter. Somehow, she’s become stuck in a room, with no means of escape or communication with the outside world, and in there with her, is Donald Q Trump. What is your comfort level with this situation after 10 minutes? 1/2 hour? One hour? Two hours? At what point do you become concerned? Which part of her anatomy are you happy for him to grab her by? Happy with the Gag Order that she’s signed? The money she’s received? Be honest – how comfortable would you be? The man who would date his own daughter?
Yes, he’s unpalatable, for many, many reasons.

Reply to  Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
July 28, 2020 10:16 am

Trump is a New Yorker, through and through. I a lot of them that I have known are like that.
Brash, in your face, never back down.

Reply to  Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
July 29, 2020 2:48 am

“…what is unpalatable about Trump…”

Well, I also happen to like his hardline approach to China trade. I think he opened everyone’s eyes to the fact that China also needs the rest of the world and will deal accordingly.

But, to answer:
He is a relentless liar, a blusterer, a bully, and also a terrible hypocrite regarding religion.
He doesn’t read, has little practical knowledge of anything, and he runs on gut instinct, having no moral compunction to reward honesty and know-how, he only rewards loyalty. He thrives in a position of power because his first instinct is to move against critics and to reward supporters. He came into office with a list of every Republican Member of Congress who had ever spoken against him, and he immediately called them out on it. They either resigned or gave him their full support.
The blind American ‘fear of communism’ carries over to quash all and any useful social programs which work in all other nations and aid the relentless growth of giant multinationals. And Trump buys their ruthless self serving support with tax breaks and special deals.
His divisive brand of politics will tear the USA apart.

Other than that, he is alright.

Laws of Nature
Reply to  Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
July 30, 2020 8:20 am

John “But we don’t (or shouldn’t) elect presidents based on their personality.”
Well, this country leads very personality based campaigns!
If you are the right bully, you can put someone´s campaign out of business by saying “she looks ugly!” no matter, what that candidate actually as to say!
(I know of no other country tolerating such or similar behavior and believe the party being silent about it repeatedly for years now, even quenching a justified senate investigation, gets rightfully drowned in the next election on all levels, there seems no other way for them to learn not to do this! Stand up for what is right or go down with the idiot bully)

Krudd “what is unpalatable about Trump?”
Well, the whole way he does politics like a bad used car sellesman (a trait he shares with Biden in my opinion!), Did he really say “Call you later!” in an official correspondence to a foreign president about a war crisis? (Yes, re-read his letter to the Turkish president, it would be funny if it wasn´t so sad, try comparing this document to the language used by any other president, I genuinely believe Trump is almost illiterate, parroting opinions he saw on TV or blogs and the only thing allowing him to be so confident is being too dumb to see how dumb he is.. that is why I am so horrified seeing him gloried here.. it is not difficult or hidden how bad Trump is!)

The ways he treats the press (which sometimes have legitimate questions, does he really think he is above answering them), the other gender (dating his daughter and grab them by the pussy are only two of many examples!), minorities (they are all loosers, they dont even play golf!)

Krupp “He was a birther?” I don´t think he cares about religion at all, there is no indication for that. He tries to catch votes, fate or money (I believe on this topic he switch his opinion a couple of times)
The same for basically any other topic, climate or a wall to Mexico (he knows like anybody else, that most illegals just overstay their visa after they flew in making the wall a big money dump)

Personally I find it most unpalatable, that he lies and lies and lies..
Even about the smallest things, like the weather (did it rain or where will a Huricane travel) and basically any time he says “I didnt say this!” beside a solid record.


Reply to  Richard Hill
July 28, 2020 1:02 am

Climate change IS political opinion. We talk what the science says, but nobody listen. CC is just a tool to redgreen Marxists to change _political climate_ and that has nothing to do with averaged weather. And it has been that, from the beginning of this farce.

It´s a gift to this world to have WUWT and real scientists, to push the truth to brainwashed masses. Of course they don´t read this, but we do, and we are shouting this message, loud and clear. I can talk only about this little part of this planet, but I can tell that scepticism is growing here. There´s no more “denial” talk. And there´s no more idiotic answers from alarmists. It works, but it has been very slow process. And in that process WUWT, and real scientists here, has been one very important key.

If this site would have been only to scientists, who share opinions about science, it would have been too complex to understand to a layman, like me. I know a lot about IT, but only something about climate science, and this site (with others) has been a treasure chest to increase my knowledge about climate science. And it has been a great help to try to open ignorant groups eyes. And it works.

When UN brings the message, you know it´s pure politics. It doesn´t matter what our political opinion is, but when we fight against Marxist tyranny, it´s important to have WUWT as it is. Please keep up the good work to help our fight, because this is common concern to us all.

My opinion about US President is that he is the only leader in this world who have brains.

Reply to  Richard Hill
July 28, 2020 3:46 am

Global Warming is nothing but political.

Reply to  Paul
July 28, 2020 8:00 am

In America.

but nobody much thinks that outside your doomed empire…

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  griff
July 28, 2020 8:13 am

So doomed that everyone wants to come here.

Adrian Mann
Reply to  griff
July 28, 2020 9:38 am

Oh no they don’t all want to go there! Where did you get that idea from? Hahahaha!

Reply to  griff
July 28, 2020 10:18 am

I see that griff is still defining what people think based on what government run newspapers are printing.

Andrew Wilkins
Reply to  griff
July 28, 2020 1:11 pm

It’s political everywhere Griff. But you knew that, didn’t you?
And no, I’m not from the US.

Reply to  David Middleton
July 27, 2020 6:45 pm

While I know I’m not the only David Middleton in the world, I am the David Middleton, the geologist who writes for WUWT. The first comment to this post is not from me. I don’t disagree with it, but just wanted to make it clear that it wasn’t me.

That said, I don’t think Facebook/Twitter stats are particularly relevant in this Election. Joe Biteme probably doesn’t even know he has a Facebook and/or Twitter account and he is less involved with his own campaign than Robert Mueller was involved in his own witch hunt. Joe Biteme is nothing but a sock puppet of the radical Marxist left.

mario lento
Reply to  David Middleton
July 27, 2020 6:56 pm

You mean Joe 30330

Reply to  mario lento
July 27, 2020 7:18 pm
mario lento
Reply to  David Middleton
July 27, 2020 7:30 pm

HAHAHAHAHA… and although it’s funny, and shows how poorly his staff understands quality of message, it’s par for the course for 30330Joe!

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  David Middleton
July 27, 2020 10:04 pm

Will the real David Middleton please stand up.
You need like the Blue Check ✔️ thingy now here at WUWT.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  mario lento
July 27, 2020 7:44 pm

Do not even have to watch the video…just look at the screen caption still shot.
It tells the whole story.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
July 28, 2020 7:51 am

That still shot isn’t even in the video. False advertising.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
July 28, 2020 5:08 pm

What is false about it?

mario lento
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
July 28, 2020 5:32 pm

tO: Jeff Alberts July 28, 2020 at 7:51 am

Well, it’s a cover page, from it’s a liberal rag… But in its defense, prescient levity was the purpose. It’s Joe, and a cut from the same debate. Be happy 🙂

Michael S. Kelly
Reply to  David Middleton
July 28, 2020 5:25 am

I am not the Michael S. Kelly who occasionally comments on WUWT posts. I am the Michael S. Kelly who occasionally comments on WUWT posts.

I have no comment on this post.

I hope that clarifies things.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Michael S. Kelly
July 28, 2020 7:54 am

Wait, which Michael S. Kelly are you again?

Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 28, 2020 10:20 am

He’s the Michael S. Kelly that has never visited the WUWT site.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Jeff Alberts
July 28, 2020 5:09 pm

He is the Michael S. Kelly that is not Dave Middleton.

Charles Higley
Reply to  David Middleton
July 27, 2020 7:59 pm

Haha, and I do not do Facebook and would have LIKED Trump. Lots more of us out there.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Charles Higley
July 28, 2020 7:55 am

Same here. I have a NarcissistBook account, but haven’t been on in years.

Mumbles McGuirck
July 27, 2020 11:50 am

Unfortunately many people will vote AGAINST Trump rather than FOR Biden.
Run, Kanye, run!

Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
July 27, 2020 1:02 pm

Yes, and most demo☭rats really don’t know who is on the Marxist ticket yet.

Gregory Woods
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
July 27, 2020 1:10 pm

Rather the opposite: Against Biden and his Greenie New Deal, rather than for The Donald

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Gregory Woods
July 27, 2020 7:47 pm

Against higher taxes.
Against riots.
Against open borders.
Against Defund The Police.
Against insane hateful lying crooks running the country…

John Endicott
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
July 28, 2020 3:27 am

in other words basically against everything the current Democrat party stands for.

July 27, 2020 11:51 am

I’m feeling optimistic to see that the President of the United States quotes and presumably follows WUWT. The message is meeting the right ears.

Regarding the election: the Far Left Party has nothing to lose if they pull out all the stops and try massive voter fraud to win. They’ve already backed vote-by-mail, the surest way for them to steal the election. Dead people voted in 2016 and 2018, and poll boxes disappeared. Take nothing for granted.

Reply to  jorgekafkazar
July 27, 2020 11:57 am

What I find interesting, the zombies are already voting in places that are leftist strongholds. The ballot boxes go missing in places that are already leftist strongholds. Ballot box stuffing takes place in leftist strongholds.

Justin Burch
Reply to  SMC
July 27, 2020 12:23 pm

Don’t forget the dead cat who got a voter’s registration card. https://nypost.com/2020/07/10/voter-registration-form-mailed-to-familys-long-dead-cat/

Tom Abbott
Reply to  SMC
July 27, 2020 5:04 pm

You say they are already voting in some places?

I read an article today that said 3,200 absentee ballots were rejected for a recent local election we had here. The election board said the biggest reason for rejecting absentee ballots was because they arrived after the deadline date.

These absentee ballots happened to be requested by the voters, and the voters had to get their mail-in ballot officially certified and labeled before it can be considered a valid vote.

What the Democrats are proposing with mail-in ballots is completely different from the system I just described. Instead, the Democrats don’t want to wait for voters to requrest absentee ballots, they want to just mail blank ballots out to every person on the voter list, with no certification required that the voter actually cast that particular absentee ballot, or even received it in the mail.

Sending mail-in ballots out to the public wholesale, is just opening the door to election corruption.

You can bet the Democrats will try every trick in the book to steal this election. After all, they were willing to subvert the U.S. Constitution in their previous effort to steal the 2016 election, so nothing is beneath them if they think it will get them political power.

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 27, 2020 5:56 pm

Arizona has early mail-in ballots. I use it. I am not worried one bit about my ballot being counted. It will be because I have to mail it early enough to arrive at the recorders office by election day. The post-marked day doesn’t matter.
But Arizona has strict rules on vote by mail implementation. Rules that prevent a California-style ballot-harvesting schemes. But Dems want to pass a national law in Congress forcing the States to adopt California-style rules for mail-in ballots to enable “ballot harvesting.”

Where the voter fraud can happen by mail-in ballots is if the state doesn’t have strong controls on who can “assist” a voter in mailing in there ballot. Arizona has strict rules and laws and makes it a felony for an “assistant” to mail-in someone else’s ballot without proper ID. In Cal, those rules don’t exist so that’s Democrat’s SOP to stealing elections by harvesting ballots using excess printed ballots going door to door to find people who say they haven’t voted.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 27, 2020 6:43 pm

They have finally found a way to get around the voter ID laws.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 27, 2020 9:15 pm

IMO, mail in and early voting has opened up our elections to the possibility of never being honest again.
With very few exceptions, everyone should have to be at a polling place on election day.
Just like for over 200 years here, and just like almost everywhere in the world.
There should be no absentee ballots except for people who have to, by no choice of their own, be away from where they live on that day.

Tim Gorman
Reply to  jorgekafkazar
July 28, 2020 5:42 am

The consent decree preventing the GOP from having poll watchers expired this year. Here’s hoping the GOP can have enough poll watchers to prevent at least a little vote fraud.

July 27, 2020 11:51 am

A lot of people are scared to express their opinion today. If you hate 99.9% of Trump’s policies but like one little, insignificant policy. There are people who will hate you, try to destroy your life and do physical harm to you if they can. All over one minor thing.

David Ball
Reply to  Alan
July 27, 2020 12:11 pm

Sound familiar? Only the shirts are a different colour.

Jim Hodgen
Reply to  David Ball
July 27, 2020 12:38 pm

Remember the Italian Fascist (before it was a bad word by connotation… and association with Mussolini’s party) party had their enforcers and Musollini himself wear black uniforms… it is either ironic and coincidental or planned that the VERY fascist so-called ANTIFA group is modeled exactly on the Italian fascists and the German National socialist Brown shirts…

What, you don’t believe in irony and coincidence?

Earl Smith
Reply to  Jim Hodgen
July 27, 2020 5:17 pm

What is so unusual? We had the American Protective League back during Wilson’s administration. With full backing of the Attorney General they recruited a quarter million toughs to “physically persuade” Americans who disagreed with the Democrat policies.

a happy little debunker
Reply to  Jim Hodgen
July 27, 2020 5:25 pm

Mussolini became disenfranchised with his Italian socialists – because they were too moderate…

Mumbles McGuirck
Reply to  David Ball
July 27, 2020 2:27 pm

Anti-fascists wear black shirts.
Fascists wear black shirts.

Bob boder
Reply to  Mumbles McGuirck
July 27, 2020 2:55 pm

Brown shirts

John Francis
Reply to  Bob boder
July 27, 2020 5:20 pm

Contemporary “Anti-fascists” wear black shirts, and are Fascists.
Mid 20th century Fascists wore brown shirts and were Fascists.

Bryan A
Reply to  Bob boder
July 27, 2020 6:32 pm

Isn’t Black the new Brown?

Reply to  Alan
July 27, 2020 2:38 pm

As Jo Nova put it in 2019: Bullying works in public, but people vote alone.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Mike Jonas
July 27, 2020 4:44 pm

That is why here in canada there is a concerted push to eliminate the secret ballot for union accreditation votes, a direct attack on the foundation of democracy.
The Lieberals did this federally while the ndp did so here in ALberta but it was reversed by the new conservative Govt.
JoNova is right, the only possible reason for getting rid of the secret ballot is to allow goons to intimidate.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Mike Jonas
July 27, 2020 5:09 pm

“but people vote alone”

I remember Hillary complaining at one time in 2016, that Republican men were forcing their wives to vote for Trump.

No, Hillary, the wives are not accompanied into the voting booth by their husbands. They vote alone. And noone knows how they voted, including their husband. Your “fear” is a paraniod delusion.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 27, 2020 6:45 pm

There’s an old saying, that is still true.
If you want to know what a liberal is doing, just look at what they are accusing others of doing.

mario lento
Reply to  MarkW
July 27, 2020 6:57 pm

Projection on steroids, I’d say. Well stated!

July 27, 2020 11:52 am

There are quite a few reports out there claiming the polls are deliberately skewed to favor Joe Biden. But, I would trust follower numbers from Facebook unless I had some reasonable way to weed out the leftist trolls.

Reply to  SMC
July 27, 2020 11:54 am

Meant to say…‘wouldn’t trust…’

Gerry O'Connor
Reply to  SMC
July 27, 2020 1:24 pm

A lot of Deadheads are lining up for Trump these days, unafraid to post their support on Mickey Harts fB posts. Who would have thought. What a long strange trip THATS been.

Reply to  Gerry O'Connor
July 28, 2020 10:09 am

We’ve grown up.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  SMC
July 28, 2020 8:01 am

“But, I would[n’t] trust follower numbers from Facebook unless I had some reasonable way to weed out the leftist trolls.”

Or the bot army.

July 27, 2020 11:55 am

Scientific or not, that’s a whopping difference.

I wonder if Twitter has a similar result. I can’t tell because I’m banned and have moved to Parler.

Reply to  HotScot
July 27, 2020 12:17 pm

Trump has 84.2 million followers on Twitter. Biden has 7.3 million. Take it for what it’s worth (which could be a lot)

Reply to  Dave
July 27, 2020 12:59 pm

A horse of a different Parler?

Reply to  shrnfr
July 27, 2020 3:15 pm

As long as it’s not a horse of palor, then it would be a racist horse.

Reply to  MarkW
July 27, 2020 3:39 pm

A horse of palor? A white horse? DEATH’s horse? Binky?

Reply to  Dave
July 27, 2020 3:41 pm

Are you on Twitter?

Remember the first thing when you create an account? The interface suggests you people or news accounts to follow, and @realDonaldTrump is suggested (was the few times I tried registering, before I was blocked for whatever). So many account will be subscribed to @realDonaldTrump. It does not mean much.

Also, bots can subscribe to popular accounts, because these are common things to do (not to boost those accounts). At least that’s my understanding – I am NOT a social bot expert.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  niceguy
July 27, 2020 9:08 pm

So it is either bots, or because he is President of the United States, and was already one of the most famous people in the world before he ever ran.

Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
July 28, 2020 10:06 pm

AI in linguistic is a scam. (So the claim you can automatically scan archives and ID “hate speech” – whatever it is – or extremism is a hoax.)

If there are textual interactions that make sense (in context), it is NOT a bot.

Counter-example: There is a French activist (so called “feminist”) who gets thousands of likes but ALL textual interactions under her tweets are negative, so I call BS.

Example: Both Trump and Jr. have lots of real interactions that are not robotic.

But the 4 top replies under @realDonaldTrump are always the same 4 critics. Not possible without some spamming, boosting, or interference from the social network itself.

John Endicott
Reply to  niceguy
July 28, 2020 3:35 am

Are you on Twitter?

Nope, and never will be. Same for Facebook and all the other (anti) social media sites.

Reply to  Dave
July 28, 2020 12:38 am

Biden’s campaign staff has 7.3 million followers. FIFY

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Dave
July 28, 2020 8:03 am

I’d wager that a good portion of Trump’s Twit followers are those who want to ridicule him for everything.

John Robertson
July 27, 2020 11:55 am

As my distrust of state media grows,I have come to suspect that the Polling Agencies play a role in the propaganda.
The only purpose of these “Polls” seems to be ,to lay the groundwork for massive voting fraud.
The actions of the Pollsters suggests they do not care if their results are hopelessly wrong,as 2016 demonstrated.
For the biases that led them astray are repeated.
Working people have no time for their goofy questions and most just hang up.
Landlines are dying off,yet dominate in polls.

And finally far too many Polling Agencies are blatantly political,being funded ,staffed and marketed by failed politicians and their former minions.

However if you were party to a planned attempt to steal an election by fraud,polls insisting your candidate of choice is at least competitive are essential.
For a combination of dubious voting practises and a history of lagging way behind your competition is a real hard sell.

Reply to  John Robertson
July 27, 2020 12:42 pm

John, I think the bias in the polls has to do with fund raising.

The vast majority of the fund raising is from large organizations that want to buy access in the next administration. It has nothing to do with political belief or ideology. Just to make sure they have access to the next administration many of these organizations hedge their bets by donating to both political candidates. But like any investor they will bet most heavily on the candidate that they think has the best chance of winning. Money given to the losing candidates is just dead money.

So each candidates tries to give the impression that they are ahead in the polls and they have the best chance of winning. That’s so they get more of the fund raising money from these large influence buying organizations. So they rig the polls.

The Democrats have an advantage in rigging the polls. (1) The Democrats are inherently more corrupt than the Republicans. They have more experience at being corrupt and at bribery. As a Chicagoan all my life I’ve seen the Democratic political machine in Chicago and in Illinois bribe and cheat. Don’t forget that Obama was part of that corrupt political machine all his political life. The same corruption goes on other big cities where the Democrats are in charge. (2) The biggest customers of the polls ( the large polls that are made public) are news media companies, like NBC, the New York Times, etc. You know the story with them. (3) Some of the polling companies are affiliated with universities. Need I say more about the integrity of universities? (4) We live in a corrupt age. If you have to you bribe the project manager in charge of the poll. The project manager rigs the poll and his unemployed son who just graduated with a BA in ethnic studies gets a cushy job in the zoning department.

There are private honest polls designed to learn the reality of what is going on. They are privately financed. Knowing the truth gives you an advantage in business and in investing. But the results generally are kept private.

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  John Robertson
July 27, 2020 3:44 pm

I think polling destroys the democratic process

Parties do micro polling and target policies to extremely small slices of the population to grab just enough support in individual risings to turn the tide.
And so no one runs on policy formed by a rational belief structure that they then have to defend during a campaign.

I’d rather eliminate all polling, make it illegal in the year before election date, force parties and cantidates to come up with a platform based on their beliefs and then campaign on it with no idea how it reasonates except the actual election

Impossible, yes.
But if enough people simply refuse to answer polls eventually they become completely useless, and they die.

“I have a dream”.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
July 27, 2020 9:58 pm

When I get asked/polled I happily answer all the questions but when it comes to “likely to vote for” I say that is a secret not to be shared.

The polster doesn’t like that because they are often testing the water on hot button issues, not really running a poll in the regular sense. It is really exposing the baselessness of the politicians and their agenda. They are not “standing for something” they are pretending to be everything to everyone.

Normally members of a political party will vote for a hat on a broomstick if it is a party member so it is interesting to hear that some Broomstick Democrats are willing to support Trump over Biden.

The origin of the “broomstick” name is from a South African woman who said in 1981 she was “a Broomstick Nat,” meaning, she explained, she would vote for a hat on a broomstick if that is what the National Party nominated in her riding. (The NP created, expanded and eventually ended apartheid.) Their die-hard supporters were not easily lured elsewhere save in the most grave circumstances.

Bob boder
July 27, 2020 11:59 am

“I think it’s more likely that conservatives simply don’t engage in polls, resulting in left-skew, just like in 2016.”

plus the polling firms are under polling republicans on almost every poll. is it purposeful, i believe so but who could prove it?

Reply to  Bob boder
July 27, 2020 1:07 pm

Lately letting others know you are Trump supporter can end your career.
Or even your life:


Tom Abbott
Reply to  Bob boder
July 27, 2020 5:22 pm

“plus the polling firms are under polling republicans on almost every poll. is it purposeful, i believe so but who could prove it?”

Yes, the various polls are undersampling Republicans in their polls anywhere from seven to 12 points, depending on the poll.

Can it be proved? I think so. The way to prove they are undersampling Republicans is to look at the percentages of voters in the last two national elections, 2016 and 2018. Republicans represented 33 percent of the vote in both elections. Yet the polling companies only sample anywhere from 20 percent to 27 percent Republicans in their polls. If they sampled 33 percent of Republicans, Trump would be leading in every one of their polls.

The way to prove it is to look at the poll particulars. They tell you how many Republicans they sample. They just don’t tell you the percentage they sample is not representative of all potentila Republican voters, based on the last two elections.

The entire Leftwing is engaged in trying to rig this coming election against Trump. The Leftwing may not count all 33 percent of Republicans in their polls, but they can’t keep all 33 percent of Republicans from going to vote, which is the *real* poll.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 28, 2020 5:20 pm

They also do not correctly balance unaffiliated voters who identify as conservative, or mostly conservative, or the ones who vote Democrat, or mostly vote Democrat.
These demographics are known, and must be controlled for as well.

An interesting result happens when they also ask people who they think will win.
The results are different than when they ask who are they voting for.
More people say they think Trump will win.


July 27, 2020 12:02 pm

FWIW At my house, we don’t even answer the phone to pollsters. (Or anyone else we can’t identify, for that matter). Almost everyone I know does the same.

Reply to  TonyG
July 27, 2020 6:22 pm

Number unrecognised? No answer!
No message left? No ring back!

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Annie
July 28, 2020 8:12 am

Same same.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Annie
July 29, 2020 4:52 am

“Number unrecognised? No answer!”

That’s what I do.

Steve Reddish
Reply to  Tom Abbott
August 1, 2020 9:37 am

When my stolen car was recovered the local police department informed me via a call with a blocked #, and left no message. I only learned via a post card that arrived nearly 2 weeks later that my car was piling up impoundment fees.

July 27, 2020 12:08 pm

Facebook is global and Trump’s international presence results in a lot more international fans and this could skew the results. Few people in other countries give a crap about what Biden says and probably don’t even know who he is which is fitting because even Biden doesn’t know who he is anymore.

Reply to  co2isnotevil
July 27, 2020 1:04 pm

It doesn’t sound like he knows what he’s saying any more either. The other day he gave a shout out to the great city of Arizona.

Another Ian
Reply to  MarkW
July 27, 2020 3:13 pm
Reply to  MarkW
July 27, 2020 3:37 pm
Reply to  MarkW
July 28, 2020 12:40 pm

I just hear him read ‘crimate clisis’ of his teleprompter. Well, he has the crime part right.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  co2isnotevil
July 29, 2020 4:58 am

Biden was talking about “Covid-9” and 120 “million” dead, the other day.

Biden gave a news conference yesterday and even took a few soft-ball questions, and he did manage to put more than two sentences together at a time, but he still wasn’t making much sense. I got the same feeling listening to him that I get when I listen to AOC. Neither one of them make any sense, or have anything substantive to say.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 30, 2020 2:56 pm

Biden can use the excuse of Bradyphrenia. AOC can only blame her ‘education’ …

July 27, 2020 12:08 pm

I do not volunteer any information regarding polls. On the occasion that I get a call my first response is “Who is behind this poll?” Next I begin to question the poller on every question asked and only give questions as answers and go into a dialog why it may be an unfair and ‘leading’ question and then say skip that question and go to the next one. Same tactic again and again until they hang up on me but I waste as much of their time as they do mine when I have time to spare.

Works well on telemarketers to try to keep them on the phone as long as possible and ask lots of dumb and off topic questions to pull them off their script. If I have time and they hang up I’ll call back!

July 27, 2020 12:08 pm

It’s hard to tell if the Democratic Platform of:

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Will be successful or not.

Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 27, 2020 12:49 pm

+ 1

Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 27, 2020 12:49 pm


I’m not sure if you have written a coded message or just in a foreign language. I tried to verbally speak it in English but I seem to be confused!

Juan Slayton
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 27, 2020 12:52 pm

Sheesh! Where is Monckton when I need him?

Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 27, 2020 12:59 pm

Got to love google translate… Not.

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Reply to  SMC
July 27, 2020 2:01 pm

Pure poetry….

Reply to  Graemethecat
July 27, 2020 3:53 pm

Poetry?….nah….Latin is a dead language

Reply to  SMC
July 28, 2020 6:15 am

G’Day SMC,
that’s about as far as I got trying to figure out what this gobbledeegook paragraph actually tries to say with help from Goggle Transmutate. It doesn’t help that the limit of my familiarity with Pope-speak is ‘Noli Carborundum Bastardo’ (and I’m quite sure that’s not ‘correct’ Latin but I’d be lying if I pretended to care).

J Mac
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 27, 2020 1:31 pm

Must be a translation from the original cuneiform….

Pat Frank
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 27, 2020 1:55 pm

Google translate: Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed tempor and vitality, so that the labor and sorrow, some important things to do eiusmod. It is not easy vegetarian or ecological element is present. Dui blandit massa that is not even now. Pull undergraduate at in the region. Aliquet nec ullamcorper sit amet. Planning of football photography as long as the trigger. Who can pull nibh a pillow. Massa developers running worth it. Him with the jaws of life aliquet nec ullamcorper sit. Accumsan sit amet nulla facilisis. Nisl ultrices of life, except the chocolate chips. Chili element is not present for the lion or antioxidants. Rhoncus mattis rhoncus urna neque viverra justo nec. Vel hepimiz soccer for now. Mattis targeted at the television. Lorem ipsum put carrots undergraduate tomato soup. Pulls Rays Super Bowl mountains.

Looks like a great program, to me. I especially like the exception for chocolate chips and the absence of chili elements for lions or antioxidants. 🙂

Reply to  Pat Frank
July 27, 2020 5:55 pm

I’m Joe Bamaobiden & I approve of this message.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 27, 2020 5:06 pm

Being not familiar with this, I searched up the first 6 words.
Now I know I could have used just the first two.
The piece has its own wiki page.
Well done, Charles.

Reply to  Charles Rotter
July 27, 2020 6:06 pm

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur . . .

lol nice


July 27, 2020 12:12 pm

It’s all Russian votes …
(for Bind’em, err Biden)

Ralph Knapp
July 27, 2020 12:13 pm

I’m watching this from north of the boarder, so, I have no dog in the fight. At this point in time, I believe Trump will win because the Democrats picked the wrong candidate.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Ralph Knapp
July 27, 2020 1:41 pm

They had no other.

John Endicott
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 28, 2020 3:43 am

They had plenty of candidates to choose from. The problem was, they were all sure-fire losers. Biden was the least-worst of a bad bunch.

Reply to  John Endicott
July 28, 2020 4:47 pm

He didn’t even want to run until the swamp basically forced him knowing that the Democrats had a slate of unelectables. Perhaps his reticence was because he was aware of his own mental deterioration, in which case, he probably also knows that he’s just a place holder for the Socialist/Marxist he picks for VP. The ultimate bait and switch.

Jeff Alberts
Reply to  Ralph Knapp
August 1, 2020 5:42 pm

“I’m watching this from north of the boarder”

You have boarders? Repel them!!

Mike Dubrasich
July 27, 2020 12:17 pm

Congratulations, Anthony, on the high caliber of the readership here. I have always thought so, and have respected and valued (most of) the contributors and commenters. President Trump has surpassed my expectations — that he is a WUWT aficionado is yet another feather in his cap.

July 27, 2020 12:18 pm

dunno….Trump is on facebook and twit all the time….I don’t think Biden gets internet in his basement

John Tillman
Reply to  Latitude
July 27, 2020 12:47 pm

Biden thinks that kids today listen to record players. Maybe some vinyl-collecting ’50s retro kids in Japan, but that’s about it.

Reply to  Latitude
July 27, 2020 12:53 pm

Biden forgets his password[s] most of the time …

Reply to  SasjaL
July 27, 2020 1:07 pm

123456 is so difficult. It used to be “password,” but that was even more difficult for him to remember.

Reply to  Scissor
July 27, 2020 9:24 pm

He uses the password, “incorrect”, so that whenever he types in the wrong password, the software’s response is: “Your password is incorrect.”

Reply to  noaaprogrammer
July 29, 2020 5:41 am


John Endicott
Reply to  Scissor
July 28, 2020 3:54 am

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6? That’s amazing! Joe’s got the same combination on his luggage! (with apologies to president Skroob)

July 27, 2020 12:38 pm

Anthony ==> My wife and I raised our family in the very Democratic state of New York. The summer of 2016 we were considering buying a cottage somewhere rural Upstate (as they say) — so spent the summer driving the rural roads from just north of NY City up to Albany or so.

It was the season of “lawn signs” for candidates. After a few weeks, we began keep a rough count of Trump and Hillary signs.

Despite the main stream media pushing an 80% win for Hillary, our “lawn sign” survey came up with 8 signs for Trump for every 1 Hillary sign…..

Trump certainly didn’t win by that ratio — but it was definitely an indicator that the “Hillary Wins by a Landslide” meme was not gonna happen.

Keith Harrison
Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 27, 2020 1:21 pm

Ogdensburg is rural upstate NY.

Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 27, 2020 1:22 pm

Having a lawn is now a sign of white entitlement.
Or something.

Richard Shepherd
Reply to  Mr.
July 27, 2020 2:23 pm

now that there is just plain lawnist

Pat from kerbob
Reply to  Richard Shepherd
July 27, 2020 3:52 pm


Reply to  Kip Hansen
July 27, 2020 3:23 pm

Trump flags on boats is also worth noting.
I often watch the haulover boat videos
Many proud Americans with American flags
I also see several boats with trump flags.
I never see Biden flags.

Reply to  Waza
July 27, 2020 4:27 pm

Waza ==> We see a lot of Trump flags on pickups and Jeeps here as well paired with American Flags.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Waza
July 27, 2020 5:10 pm

It is rumored that not one Democrat owns a bass boat.
Maybe I dreamed that.

M__ S__
July 27, 2020 12:43 pm

No idea what the outcome will be, but a LOT of people (a majority) expressed that they were fearful to express their political perspective-and these weren’t the hard leftists.

I doubt the pills mean anything

Reply to  M__ S__
July 27, 2020 1:24 pm

Doesn’t matter- just keep taking them 🙂

Reply to  Mr.
July 27, 2020 3:28 pm

But only the red ones

Gunga Din
July 27, 2020 12:50 pm

I’m one of those who don’t do polls. I also don’t do Facebook or Twitter.
I don’t put signs in my yard.
I do fly a “Betsy Ross Flag” on the 4th of July and Election Day.
(For those who don’t know, the “Betsy Ross Flag” is the one with 13 stars in a circle in the blue field.)
To me it represents the ideal, the goal of forming a Government whose purpose is to maintain and protect the Rights of the individual.
Protect from those outside and inside that are opposed to that ideal. (And to play referee in those gray areas where one individual’s rights conflict with another’s individual’s rights).
There’s really nothing right or left about that.
But, of course, there were and are flawed people involved with trying to achieve that ideal.
But there was never anything wrong with the ideal.
It’s a shame that flying that flag is now considered by some to be making a political statement.

Joel Snider
July 27, 2020 12:59 pm

No comment other than, ‘Dear Lord, I sure hope so.”

July 27, 2020 1:00 pm

With the Cancel Culture running rampant, many people are afraid to let strangers know that they are conservative or support Trump.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
July 28, 2020 4:04 am

Indeed. which is why, according to a new Cato Institute survey, 62% of Americans (77% of republicans and 59% of independents, 64% of moderates) said they have political views they’re afraid to share. The only group in the survey that feels they can express themselves without fear of repercussions was the “strong liberals” (ie the SJWs who drive cancel culture).

July 27, 2020 1:02 pm

I think both FB and Twitter are fairly indicative of relative support, while the published suppression polls are not, same as in 2016 at this point.
And there are other several other confirming indicia. Spontaneous enthusiasm for President Trump, for example in ‘blue’ New Jersey yesterday when he stopped the Beast, got out, and threw MAGA hats to the crowd. The unfolding law and order disasters in blue cities like NYC, Chicago, Minneapolis, Seattle, Portland that Biden does not acknowledge and Nadler denies. Walkaway movement and the large number of African Americans in it. Ongoing evidence of Biden mental deterioration—Phoenix a state, polling place physicians, you know, that thing…now a refusal to do a softball interview with Chris Wallace. No good Biden choices for VP after he foolishly painted himself into the ‘black female’ corner; Susan Rice will likely be among the Durham indictments likely coming next month.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 27, 2020 1:34 pm

‘Susan Rice will likely be among the Durham indictments likely coming next month.’

Again – I sure hope so.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 27, 2020 2:24 pm

Did she make the cut to the top 4? If indicted, the perfect timing would be after being named as Biden’s running mate. Of those on his list, she would seem to be the most qualified as a tried and true Obama acolyte …

Tom Abbott
Reply to  co2isnotevil
July 29, 2020 5:13 am

I hope Biden does pick Susan Rice for his vice president. She is the one with the most baggage and Republicans will be able to hammer her six ways from Sunday. Rice has been lobbying for the job pretty heavily lately. Rice has never held elective office.

The current rumor is he will pick Kamala Harris. Probably the best choice from a very weak field, but she has a lot of baggage herself, and I don’t think her personality is suited for the office. I think her attitude will alienate a lot of people. She will be capable of being extremely nasty to Trump, which is probably her biggest selling point among the Democrats.

Elizabeth Warren would be the best choice Biden could make but he promised to pick a “person of color”, so that leaves out Warren. She’s just your standard white woman with delusions of Cherokee heritage.

Another Ian
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 27, 2020 3:22 pm

This bloke seems to do a pretty good job of reading the tea leaves


Reply to  Another Ian
July 28, 2020 6:26 am

Right you are Another Ian, I’ve followed ‘Pointy’ for years now (after he commented and linked to one of his posts here on WUWT) and it’s uncanny how often he calls it right, despite what ever opinion is popular in the fake news or the realm of loud-mouthed social media-ocre like Farcebook, Twit-duhh or Instaspam.
I reckon about the only time he missed an out-swinger was when the Dems managed to score the house majority in 2018 and he was quick about serving himself some humble pie on his blog after that one (how often do we see people paid to report news and opinion display even a trace of humility when they’ve called it wrong?).

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Erny72
July 29, 2020 5:28 am

Over 40 House Republican incumbents decided to retire in 2018, rather than run again. Had most of them run for one more term, there is a very good chance that the Republicans would control the House of Representatives right now.

I believe that many of these Republicans retired because they couldn’t stand the political heat that was being placed on them because of the impeachment of Donald Trump and everything that led up to it. So they bailed out.

As we all know now, there was no evidence of Russians colluding with Trump to rig the U.S. elections. It was all a setup by the Obama administration and the Democrats to undermine Trump and what this criminal action accomplished was to swing the House from Republican control to Democrat control which has resulted in paralyzing the Trump administration in many areas.

When Mueller took over the Special Councels prosecution of Trump, he knew within a matter of weeks that there was no case against Trump there, yet he continued the prosecution right through the 2018 election cycle without ever telling the American people that the prosecution was bogus.

So we can see that although the Obama administration’s attempted coup was not successful, it did have enormous political benefits to the Democrats. It allowed the Democrats to block Trump at almost every turn.

If Mueller is found to be mentally competent, then he should go to jail along with Comey and Brennan and Clapper and all the rest of them who carried out this freedom-stealing scam on the American people. Prosecuting someone when there is no initial crime, and it is known at the time, as Mueller did, deserves jail time.

Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 27, 2020 3:37 pm

Sundance is the guy who has this blog: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/

He is apparently very well connected and does the nitty gritty down in the trenches research and gives great detailed analysis on what is happening in DC. He has been on top of the attempted coup, the framing of General Flynn, and the ongoing investigations and so many other issues since they began. I have been reading and commenting at this blog for a few years now.

The detail and cross currents with so many players is tough to keep up with in the time I can commit to it. But what I know is that time and time again Sundance has been right about details months before they are exposed to the public in other media. I also know that Sundance has been very skeptical if not down right cynical of AG Bill Bar and what he will do with the information that he has been accumulating through the various investigations of the attempted coup and the players involved.

Sundance as of late has been in DC talking to who knows whom? But what is important is that he is not skeptical about the end game now as he most certainly was before. Read this optimistic message. I take heart in it because of the source and my knowledge of his past cynicism. I honestly believe there are great things coming. Things that will help set this Republic back on the right track. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/07/27/travel-day/

Reply to  rah
July 27, 2020 4:38 pm

I also have noticed that Sundance seems to have become more optimistic since he has been talking to people in DC. Hopefully that will end up being good news.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  rah
July 29, 2020 5:35 am

“I also know that Sundance has been very skeptical if not down right cynical of AG Bill Bar”

Attorney General Barr let it be known for the first time yesterday that there is currently an ongoing investigation focused on the Obama administration’s illegal unmasking of Trump officials.

I personally have great confidence in Bill Barr. I think he will do the right thing.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 29, 2020 8:41 pm

I don’t get the skepticism about AG Barr.

I liked him from the start when he walked into that committee room and told the Dims spying did occur.
I have never seen a guiltier group of people. They started stuttering and stammering and looking at each other like their dog just died.
That man is not going to let us down.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Rud Istvan
July 27, 2020 5:58 pm

“Walkaway movement and the large number of African Americans in it.”

I have an old friend who about a week ago, out of the blue, announced that she had been a registered Democrat all her life but had just gone down and changed her registration to Republican and was going to vote for Trump. All this unsolicited. This is not a poltical woman and I had no idea if she was a Democrat or Republican, but she felt strongly enough obviously to announce herself publicly.

Ronna McDaniel, the Republican National Committee head said the other morning that she was seeing numerous voters in critical swing states changing their registration to Republican.

And you know all this insanity the Left is fomenting now, has to backfire on them with anyone who has a little bit of common sense. Nobody wants these Domestic terrorists in their neighborhood. People who don’t want Domestic terrorists in their neighborhood will vote for Trump.

November 3, can’t come fast enough. I want to see those lefties screaming at the sky in anguish over having lost to Trump again.

Al in Cranbrook
July 27, 2020 1:09 pm

From up here in Canada…

Never been more worried about the outcome of an election in my life. The Dems win this one, taking over the White House and the Senate, America as we know it within the space of just four years will be pretty much done for.

And as goes America, so goes western civilization…particularly relevant to my country.

I watch (for as long as I can stand it) what’s going on in the streets of the USA, and for the life of me I can’t understand why anyone with at least three functioning brain cells would vote for anyone but Trump.


Joel Snider
Reply to  Al in Cranbrook
July 27, 2020 1:36 pm

Agreed – this isn’t about right vs left – it’s host versus parasite, and the parasite is ready to kill the host.

Adrian Mann
Reply to  Al in Cranbrook
July 28, 2020 2:16 am

Thanks to Trump, American Hegemony is already over. And a bloody good thing too. America DOES NOT equal civilisation.
Three functioning brain cells is actually all you need to vote for Trump. Any more, and you become one of them thar dangerous, book readin’, commie intellectuals.
The Dems win this and the rest of the world will breath a collective sigh of relief. And quite right too.

From the Washington Post (Commie Liberal Paper):
The same cannot be said for Trump, whose flailing reelection campaign has collided with a public health disaster. “People close to Trump, many speaking anonymously to share candid discussions and impressions, say the president’s inability to wholly address the crisis is due to his almost pathological unwillingness to admit error; a positive feedback loop of overly rosy assessments and data from advisers and Fox News; and a penchant for magical thinking that prevented him from fully engaging with the pandemic,” my colleagues Philip Rucker and Ashley Parker reported.

“The irony is that if he’d just performed with minimal competence and just mouthed words about national unity, he actually could be in a pretty strong position right now, where the economy is reopening, where jobs are coming back,” Ben Rhodes, a deputy national security adviser to Obama, told them. “And he just could not do it.”

Beyond the pandemic, though, experts see Trump as only the catalyst for a shifting global conversation about U.S. power in the world. “I think the U.S. is seen from my perspective as being involved in its own internal reckoning — like the rest of the world doesn’t really exist,” Robin Niblett, director and chief executive of Chatham House, a think tank in London, said to Balz. “It’s America trying to battle with historical and contemporary demons that as much as anything are a result of its own internal contradictions and tensions and strengths and weaknesses.” He added that Trump represented, simply, a rude awakening.

Reply to  Adrian Mann
July 28, 2020 10:25 am

American Hegemony only existed in the minds of people who wanted their country to have hegemony.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Adrian Mann
July 29, 2020 5:40 am

““People close to Trump, many speaking anonymously to share candid discussions and impressions”

Or maybe the Washington Post reporters just made all this stuff about Trump up, and just pretend to have confidential sources.

July 27, 2020 1:16 pm
Michael Jankowski
July 27, 2020 1:18 pm

Sitting president is going to have lots of followers…even from people who dislike him and want to find something wrong with every single thing he says.

Nobody wants to see or hear anything from Biden, especially the people who plan to vote for him. Their guilty conscience might get to them if they did follow him.

July 27, 2020 1:34 pm

I’ve read several times recently that Facebook is “the cesspool of social media.” To me, the numbers quoted in the post offer confirmation of that observation. As to the election, it seems we have the choice between two elderly sex offenders. There are no good choices. What has brought us to this abhorrent situation?

Can we go back to Climate talk?

Reply to  Tom Wills
July 27, 2020 3:19 pm

First off, there is no evidence that Trump is a sex offender.
Secondly, you are free to ignore any articles that aren’t about Climate. Unless your purpose is to whine about people who talk about things you aren’t interested in.

Reply to  MarkW
July 27, 2020 4:24 pm

“there is no evidence that Trump is a sex offender.”

He admitted to sexually assaulting women (kitty grabbing) because he can get away with it (he’s a star.)

Another Ian
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 5:23 pm

Observation of an old time publican out here back in the day when there were no females employed in the shearing industry

“You know the most barmaids are rooted in the sheds Wednesday night and the most sheep are shorn in the pubs Friday night.”

I’d guess the model for locker rooms might have similar traits?

Capn Mike
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 5:44 pm

Look, I don’t like him. But he did NOT admit anything. He posited a hypothetical : He COULD grab her and get away with it. Very different. Like me saying I could jump in front of a train. I ain’t gonna do it!

Reply to  Capn Mike
July 27, 2020 6:58 pm

Hank believes whatever he is told to believe. He never fact checks for himself.

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Capn Mike
July 27, 2020 8:04 pm

What he said was, when you are rich and famous, women LET you blah blah blah…
Not all women.
But anyone who is an adult who never noticed that there are certain people who will do anything to be around someone who is very rich, or very famous…and even just extremely attractive.
That is simply a fact, although somehow everyone forgot it is OK to say things that are true.
Every city town and village in the world, has librarians, and school marms, and also strippers and prostitutes. They all have people that would only date or marry for love, and others who are shameless gold diggers.
For some subset of women, the rules change depending on who the guy is.
It is only recently that some women have decided to know that or speak of it is the worst thing any person can do. They seem to want everyone to pretend these facts do not exist.
And just so it does not appear I am singling out women, it is also true that every place in the world has men that would risk their life to help a stranger without even thinking, and others who are rapists.
People act shocked over discovering that some people will do the most awful things imaginable when millions, or tens of millions, or hundreds of billions of dollars, and the control thereof, are on the line…but no one is shocked when someone gets murdered over a petty robbery, small time drug deal, or asinine burglary gone wrong.
Go figure.

Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 6:57 pm

Like most of the things Hank knows, this one too is wrong.

Trump said that he could, not that he did.

The difference should be obvious even to a troll like you.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 6:57 pm

“He admitted to sexually assaulting women (kitty grabbing) because he can get away with it (he’s a star.)”

Distorting the truth again, I see, Henry. CNN is always looking for a good propagandist, if you need a job.

As Mark said, there is no evidence of Trump ever forcing himself on a woman in any way. Your “kitty” example is an example of lockerroom “talk” not action.

That lockerroom talk didn’t cause Trump to lose the 2016 election and it won’t cause him to lose the 2020 election either, because it was a distortion of reality then, and it is a distortion of reality now. And here you are perpetrating the lie.

You should stick to climate, Henry.

mario lento
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 27, 2020 7:08 pm

Nooooo Pool’s climate talk is worse than Trump’s locker room talk!

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 27, 2020 8:56 pm

The whole story is, to me, far more complex.

For one thing, everyone in the world has known for decades that Donald Trump was a rich playboy type, but basically a very good person, although somewhat obnoxious at times for some people’s tastes.
It is also true that people say things in private they would never say if they knew the whole world would here them say it on TV. Including things that are braggadocios, obnoxious, not really true, and (imagine this) the worst thing that ever came out of someone mouth.
Outrageous sexual type banter when friends are out alone is not the domain of just men either. I do not have to think very hard to recall some outrageous and very naughty language and things said by some of the women I have known in my life.

For other people, they never talk like that, in any situation. Those people will sometimes act shocked that anyone would talk like that, and some that would actually BE shocked.
I doubt there are many people who would not cringe to imagine the worst thing they ever said go out on TV to the world while that person was sitting on the hot seat.
Maybe there are some people who have never said anything ever in their life they would ever be ashamed or embarrassed about.
But it is rather strange to hear the same people who pooh-poohed what Bill Clinton did with a young intern in the Oval Office, act all horrified that a rich playboy type would ever engage in locker room talk when he thought it was just him and another guy who would ever hear it.
He was not running for President at the time, and no one who voted for him did so because they imagined he was gonna be the new moral center of the Universe. He was not elected Pope. He was elected to be the hardnosed business man we all know him to be.

Any goy who is the best looking man in a whole city knows he can walk into just about any bar in any city in the country, and go home with some girl he meets there…many if not every night.
People who have been around rock stars know that there are people who are groupies.
Everyone who is a billionaire has a very much easier time getting dates that someone who is not, although that does not mean they know it or ever take advantage of that fact.

The facts of life: Some men, and some women, have a very easy task when it comes to finding someone to have sex with…because people of the opposite sex behave differently around around them.
And some people, men and women, are very permissive. Some are not so at all.
But everyone knows that such differences exist.

Another fact: People, especially men, who are very rich know that they will get sued if they break the rules of interpersonal relationships in certain ways…or they ought to.
Trump was never accused of anything out of line by any women, until they came out of the woodwork on election eve with dubious tales from decades hence.

Anyone who ever watched/listened to Howard Stern, who acts like someone saying what he said on that bus, means anything substantive, is merely practicing selective outrage based on politics and who they would prefer is sitting in the White House.

What percent of married men and women have ever cheated on a spouse? The number is very high.
It sounds nice and neat to say it that way…cheated on a spouse…but when you stop and think about exactly what it means, physically, and emotionally, actually stop and think about it…then someone saying something to another person in private shrinks to insignificance.
For ever 20 years, the number one source of clicks, site visits, and revenue generated by online ads and subscriptions has been pornography.
And people want to act shocked…SHOCKED… that someone SAID something off color once.
Gimme a break.

Matthew Schilling
Reply to  Tom Wills
July 27, 2020 3:23 pm

“What has brought us to this abhorrent situation?”
You not running? Of course, “Philosopher King” isn’t a thing, so I can understand why you have deferred to throw your tiara into the ring.

Abolition Man
July 27, 2020 1:37 pm

Congrats on having VSGPDJT as a reader of your site! Don’t forget that the DemoKKKrats are going to pull every trick in the boook to win in November. There will be graveyards around the country counted as polling places and every illegal will be sent Fraud-by-Mail forms. Stacy Abrams is the DNC’s Director of Fraud and Ballot Harvesting but she still thinks she is governor! Maybe she will get the chance to claim she is Vice-
President after Nov. 3!
A win by President Trump will give us a chance to reverse some of the damage done over the previous three administrations and perhaps restore America to greatness! Thanks for all you do to shine the light of truth!

J Mac
July 27, 2020 1:40 pm

Joe Biden: “I am their Leader… Which way did they go?”

Reply to  J Mac
July 27, 2020 3:49 pm

Joe Biden want’s everyone to know he’s just a regular guy. He puts his pants on the same way we do, one arm at a time.

July 27, 2020 1:43 pm

“If Facebook is any indicator…” Well, OK 🙂

Clyde Spencer
July 27, 2020 1:46 pm

“That’s greater than a 10 to 1 ratio in likes and followers between the two candidates.”

And yet, the MSM would have us believe that Trump is steadily losing ground to ‘what’s his name.’ At this point in time, Yahoo has suspended comments to their news articles as well as their British Op-Eds. I’m not a big fan of conspiracy theories, but is it well known that there is a tendency for people to hop on the Band Wagon. And, some people, if they think their vote won’t make a difference don’t bother to vote. Thus, there is at least an incentive for liberal media to convince the public that Trump is losing to the guy living in his basement.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Clyde Spencer
July 27, 2020 7:05 pm

“Thus, there is at least an incentive for liberal media to convince the public that Trump is losing to the guy living in his basement.”

Oh, definitely! That’s exactly what the Leftwing Propaganda Machine is trying to do. They want Trump’s supporters to lose faith in him.

The good news is the Left doesn’t understand the psychology of the current situation. Trump’s supporters are on to the tricks of the Leftwing Media. They saw it all in 2016, and so as the Leftwing Media ramps up the anti-Trump rhetoric, his supporters just get more determined to vote for him.

Wild Horses wouldn’t keep Trump voters away from the polls.

July 27, 2020 1:49 pm

There is a very large silent majority that are fed up with the way the Democrats have acted the last 4 years, if not 12 years. And even more since this Pandemic began, and then the rioting and looting and ongoing protests in all the big Democrat cities. President Trump just has to win the Electoral College, not the popular vote, which is what he did last time.

I think the silent majority, when they do vote, will have to consider what direction they want the country to go in, Left or Right. The only think that can throw this election off is massive voter fraud such as the mail in ballot and/or outright fraud in missing/stuffed ballot boxes, which we know happens, but to what extent does it happen, no-one really knows. The other thing that could give Democrats the edge is if Creepy Senile Joe gives up the ghost, or resigns as the candidate when everyone sees in a live debate that his mental health is truly compromised. And then some dark horse could appear out of nowhere that could excite the undecided voter to change their vote, which is what this probably boils down to, which is the current undecided voter/swing states. As they say, It ain’t over, til it’s over.

Nicholas McGinley
July 27, 2020 2:07 pm

“I think it’s more likely that conservatives simply don’t engage in polls, resulting in left-skew, just like in 2016.”

This is beyond doubt more true than ever.
Trump will win in an epic landslide.
Like 1968 perhaps.
How many people who voted for Trump in 2016 are gonna vote to hand the country over to what we are seeing these days?
There are few people on either side who do not hate what is happening on one front of another.

Even if no other evidence was possible, who thinks that the wide swings of over 5% we are seeing from week to week, means that all those people are changing minds about who to vote for?
The choice could hardly be more stark from one side to the other.
Even people who hate Trump and who have never voted anything but D, are not going to back rampaging mobs burning, looting, and k!lling people.
And who is gonna vote for the guy who promises to raise their taxes, even if we were not in a recession?
And then defund the police?
Right along with Take Away Our Guns?

Even if Biden was not well along the road of cognitive decline, he has no chance.

Ill Tempered Klavier
Reply to  Nicholas McGinley
July 27, 2020 2:59 pm

Scribbled on the back of a garbage truck:






John Culhane
July 27, 2020 2:14 pm

I’m not a United States citizen so my opinion carries little weight but from what I see Trump has not attacked the little guy, that’s been the Democrats or at least my perception of them. The Democrats have also aligned themselves with destructive groups like ANITFA and BLM who do want to interfere with peoples lives and I reckon the insecurity caused by that threat and the fact the they don’t see Trump as a threat to their personal safety and well being. Biden is no Obama, he represents a wing of the Democrats that has run out of energy and he personifies that so he has a credibility problem if he tries to sell the Green New Deal. A blowout election for Trump would not be unexpected depending on how he plays his cards in August, September.

Another scenario is a close run election where the Democrats take their loss to the Supreme court and they seem to be gearing up to do that around the postal votes. It can be expected that 3% of postal votes will get lost in the system and not arrive on time to be counted which may be enough to swing the election in some states.

Reply to  John Culhane
July 27, 2020 3:42 pm

“Another scenario is a close run election where the Democrats take their loss to the Supreme court and they seem to be gearing up to do that around the postal votes.”

I read last week that Biden already has 600 laywers on standby to contest the election results.

John Endicott
Reply to  TonyG
July 28, 2020 4:22 am

I think that’s been pretty standard for both parties to have lawyers (not necessarily that exact number) on standby ever since the 2000 election. Neither party want’s to have to scramble to get lawyers in place should history repeat itself.

William Astley
July 27, 2020 2:17 pm

The Facebook status are high for Trump because Trump has something to say. Any saying stuff can get a guy into trouble… Based on polls, Trump needs a miracle and we need a miracle.

ta da, ta da, ta da…

There are now front line doctors who state it is a fact that the HCQ cocktail works and that there has been a massive ‘coverup’ to hide that fact.

On the congressional front steps today….

The made for Television piece (about 2 minutes in the clip) is the front line, angry black, doctor who works in a hospital in Houston, woman doctor…who states it is a fact the HCQ cocktail works, as she treated 350 covid sick patients….

..with the HCQ cocktail and the patients did not fake getting better. Effective drugs work or do not work.

And this is the kicker, the Woman is from Nigeria and she used the malaria drug to treat patients in Nigeria. It works. The woman is angry because she knows liars and politician liars.

As she said, there are no ‘discussions’ if the HCQ cocktail works. The time for ‘discussions’ with liars is over.

The ‘fake’ paper anti HCQ paper, should be investigated as mass murder.

There is a 2004 Virology paper, written by the organization, which the head of the FDCC, is a director of, that notes the malaria drug is an effect treatment for coronal viruses.

The front line doctors do not understand why covid-19 is called a novel virus. They have faced coronal viruses before and this new virus though more deadly is 70% the same.

Trump/we have sort of a miracle. Sad in way. There is in your face evidence of Mass organized lying to hide an effective treatment for covid during a time of a pandemic is ….

Should be the number one issue for this election.

Trump should triple done.

Fire the head of the FDCC, determine if criminal charges should be laid, media companies forced to undo the damage they have done by spreading this lie.

And the American people’s doctors should have access to the HCQ cocktail and it should be the standard treatment, unless there is something better.



Tom Abbott
Reply to  William Astley
July 27, 2020 7:15 pm

“There are now front line doctors who state it is a fact that the HCQ cocktail works and that there has been a massive ‘coverup’ to hide that fact.”


The Key to Defeating COVID-19 Already Exists. We Need to Start Using It

Harvey A. Risch, MD, PhD , Professor of Epidemiology, Yale School of Public Health

On 7/23/20 at 7:00 AM EDT

As professor of epidemiology at Yale School of Public Health, I have authored over 300 peer-reviewed publications and currently hold senior positions on the editorial boards of several leading journals. I am usually accustomed to advocating for positions within the mainstream of medicine, so have been flummoxed to find that, in the midst of a crisis, I am fighting for a treatment that the data fully support but which, for reasons having nothing to do with a correct understanding of the science, has been pushed to the sidelines. As a result, tens of thousands of patients with COVID-19 are dying unnecessarily. Fortunately, the situation can be reversed easily and quickly.

I am referring, of course, to the medication hydroxychloroquine. When this inexpensive oral medication is given very early in the course of illness, before the virus has had time to multiply beyond control, it has shown to be highly effective, especially when given in combination with the antibiotics azithromycin or doxycycline and the nutritional supplement zinc.

end excerpt

Trump is vindicated. The Left hates it.

William Astley
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 28, 2020 10:47 am

I disagree.

The facts vindicate Trump. Trump is not vindicated.

Trump needs campaign ads talking about the HCQ cocktail……

There should be a dang alarm going off in the Republican party. Are you guys awake!!!!

The Republican party need to use the entire party’s strength to fix the most important problem the US faces…

Our economy is bleeding. There are riots in the streets and the people are afraid.

….. Do whatever it takes. Start demonstrations, stop all action in congress until this problem is resolved. The HCQ cocktail, should if it is a fact that is a high effective treatment when used appropriate to treat covid, be immediately available for use in hospitals.

Start with Republican states. Get good results and then go all in, making it a fact that every covid patient in the US, will have the option of very earlier HCQ treatment.

Lay off the stupid statue issue.

The idiot Left have given the Republicans an issue that will result in jail time for some of those involved.

Americans are dying everyday because they are not being treated with the HCQ cocktail

CNN, ABC, CNBC, and so on….

Ran the lie, that the HCQ does not save lives. We are not using HCQ because of a lie that was spread by the media, that was started because politics, is more important the US lives.

US lives matter. People’s lives matter more than politics.

What people do not get is lying to hide a very, effective treatment for the coronal virus that was been used before….

Is not playing Politics….. It is a fact that thousands and thousands and thousands of US citizens have died or now have life long lung and organ damage because….

The 24/7 news stations are guilty of criminal negligence. They have a duty to check the information that they issue. And now that we all know they were spreading a lie…

It is there responsibility to use there ‘news’ channel to undo the damage that they did.

This is direct interference into the US election and killing US citizens, in real time …..

…told a 100% lie. A criminal lie which is that HCQ will kill them and is not highly effective in treating the covid virus when given in the correct dosage and time in the viruses progression in the body. The virus starts in the throat and then moves into the lungs.

Lying studies were issued that either used HCQ incorrectly (too high dosage, cannot help people who are near death, needs to given to the patient early or before infection) or it appears …..

The Lying studies made up data. This should be investigated as murder…..

mario lento
Reply to  William Astley
July 28, 2020 4:53 pm

Amen that brother. I cannot believe how far the LEFT has gone. It’s just amazing.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  William Astley
July 29, 2020 5:51 am

Laura Ingraham had a chart on her show last night showing the difference in the death rate for nations like Turkey that use HCQ on all people who test positive for the Wuhan virus verses nations that do not, and the chart was startling. Those who used HCQ as soon as possible after the infection is noticed had a much lower death rate.

Joel O'Bryan
July 27, 2020 2:19 pm

What is obvious to me is that Democrats cannot allow Dementia Joe to debate Trump in September and October. The DNC’s whole Hiden Biden’s dementia efforts they are playing will collapse if they allow that. So somehow they’ve got to get the debates cancelled without it being obvious to the public that Senile Joe can’t form two coherent sentences on complex topics that requires high-level executive function anymore without a teleprompter or notes.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 27, 2020 3:24 pm

A few weeks back, the Democrats claimed that they would only debate if Trump released all of his tax records.

Reply to  MarkW
July 27, 2020 4:25 pm

What is Trump hiding by not releasing his tax returns?

Joel O'Bryan
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 5:00 pm

Can I see yours please Mr Pool. 10 years worth if you don’t mind. Including the schedules with itemizations for loopholes deductions claimed.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 27, 2020 6:29 pm

Send me the release form from the IRS, and I’ll let them send them to you.

I work for a living, you will be disappointed.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 27, 2020 7:00 pm

Does trolling count as working?

Send them to Anthony, then he can post them.
Assuming that you aren’t lying again.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 27, 2020 8:34 pm

Biden provided his. Obama provided his. Both Bushes provided theirs. Clinton provided hers. Reagan provided his……..what is Trump hiding?

Mario Lento
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 10:37 pm

And they all suck as president or candidate for president and have all made lots of other terrible decisions about how this country should be run. Why should Trump follow in the footsteps of terrible leaders when he leads? So you did not make the point you thought you did. Do I have to explain it to you more simply?

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 27, 2020 11:42 pm

Trump has no obligation to release his tax returns and particularly if they are currently being audited by the IRS … that’s Lois Lerner’s weaponised IRS. Let’s not forget how Obama used public service organisations to attack his detractors.

” 1. Are presidents required to release their tax returns?
Presidents aren’t required by law to release their tax returns. Nevertheless, between 1974 and 2012, every president but Gerald Ford has made a voluntary release of the tax returns they filed while in office. Ford released no complete returns, but released 10 years of summary data including gross income, taxable income, major deductions, and taxes paid.
This tradition of voluntary tax return disclosure ended in 2017, when President Trump declined to release any personal tax information. Trump has offered various reasons for keeping his returns private, but he has frequently insisted that he won’t make a release while his returns are being audited by the IRS. ”

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 27, 2020 11:47 pm

Let us not also forget how Obama militarised state departments to do his dirty strong arm enforcement on his behalf … he who has no scandals.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 28, 2020 10:29 am

None of the previous presidents were billionaire business men.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 28, 2020 10:30 am

And the Justice Dept, and the FBI.

Tom in Florida
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 6:44 pm

Most people would not understand a complicated tax return. If you think that Democrats will not twist the truth about Trump’s returns and put forth all kinds of untruthful speculations, you are just dumb. And if you think that Trump’s tax returns have not been thoroughly examined to exhaustion by the IRS, you are even worse than dumb.

mario lento
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 27, 2020 6:54 pm

Henry Pool has a perverse belief that there must be something Trump did that he can be impeached or removed from office over. There’s got to be something. He clings and clings to that perverse hope.

I tell you, early on, before the crash course in politics, I was worried. I am not anymore. And neither is most of America. Hense, you see the panic by the Left… The fun (albeit sad) part is watching the Left each their own… as the woke become chum for their creations. Priceless.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 27, 2020 8:38 pm

Most people understand that all presidents since Nixon have revealed their tax returns. Most people understand that Trump is hiding something. He’s even hiding them from a grand jury, which everyone knows would remain secret under the rules of procedure with respect to a grand jury.

mario lento
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 10:38 pm

Do you know what the word leak means? Do we have to explain that to you too? You don’t get it, nor will you because you are consistent… an anti barometer.

Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 27, 2020 8:40 pm

Mario, if there is nothing illegal in the tax returns, then I would think Trump would release them to prove to everyone how rich he really is. Or is it the loan he’s deducting interest on that he got from Russia?

mario lento
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 10:40 pm

Your logic is that of a socialist. It does not pass muster for intelligent or honest Americans. Do I have to explain that to you?

mario lento
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 10:41 pm

PS: my previous comment was to Pool, since he replied to Tom in FLA’s post…

Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 28, 2020 12:02 am

Henry Pool, “if there is nothing illegal in the tax returns, then I would think Trump would release them to prove to everyone how rich he really is. Or is it the loan he’s deducting interest on that he got from Russia?”

I have no particular like or dislike of Trump, but he is the leader of the civilised free world and the rest of us civilised free men in the world rely on his tenacity to keep us all free.

Why are you lefties so interested in other people’s wealth ? Is it not enough that the man takes no salary for President … that he has vast corporations that could better use his skills than defend himself from the likes of nitwits.

I don’t know whether he has finance that is originated in Russia … is that illegal ? I expect that there are many US corporations doing JV’s in Russia and the likewise, Russian corporations in the USA … is that illegal?

Trump had a corporate life before being ELECTED President … unlike most others who were particular nobodies of note … Clinton pleaded that he was broke and somehow became fabulously wealthy, Obama was a ‘community organiser’ of no wealthy disposition yet is suddenly fabulously wealthy … where did that money come from. Biden is linked with the nefarious laundering of aide to Yugoslavia back through his chums … he’s nothing but a half-witted bum … if he had another brain cell it would be lonely … and that is the sorry excuse that is put forward as a potential leader of the civilised free world ? Are you kidding me ?

Nicholas McGinley
Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 28, 2020 4:41 am

No one who votes for him cares one tiny rat’s tuchus about his tax returns.
And the people who want to see them are are not “concerned some crime might have been committed”.
How stupid does anyone have to be to not see what is really going on?
The Democrat voters have been studiously ignoring crimes by the thousands by anyone who is a member of the party they vote for.
They all want to see those returns for one reason…to play gotcha.
His returns are audited.
They are not public information.
And in case there are democrats who did not notice, 37 angry Democrat attack dog prosecutors combed over every aspect of his life and business for two years and found nothing…not one thing, they could charge him with.
It was the largest ever prosecution…in search of a crime. And none was found.
They raked dozens of people over the coals for years…still doing it in some cases, just to try to get someone who would compose a crime that did not exist.
Personally, I think it may be the case we have not seen any prosecutions yet is because of how high up it goes. Deep and wide and high enough to risk tearing the country apart.
Lindsay Graham has been promising hearings to “get to the bottom of it all” for three years now. Including a new round of such promises after the impeachment hearings last Winter.
Still nothing.
Not one senate hearing yet over the Bidens, or the hoax blower colluding with Adam Schiff, or any of the people known to have lied in all of that.
What the Obama white House and the Department of Justice and the FISA court and the FBI did to Trump since before he was elected is the biggest scandal and the worst crimes ever committed for political purposes in this country in over 200 years.

But “tax returns” is what anyone cares about?

Reply to  Tom in Florida
July 28, 2020 10:31 am

Hank has never been a deep thinker. He keeps repeating the same disprove mantra over and over again, hoping the next time someone will believe him.

Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 6:59 pm

Business details.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 7:25 pm

What’s Trump hiding? Nothing as far as I, or anyone else knows, including Henry.

Trump is the most honest president in U.S. history. Or at least, the most vetted.

Trump has said on more than one occasion that he would be happy to let the Democrats look at his income tax returns, just as soon as his lawyers decide it can be done.

Trump just smiles when they ask him about his income taxes. I think he smiles because he knows something the Democrats don’t know, that his income taxes are clean and legal.

Trump is rich enough that he doesn’t have to cheat on his taxes, and imo, he is a moral person who would not indulge in such a thing. So he’s just stringing the Democrats along. Another Trump excellent troll of the Democrats. Like the time he offered to put solar panels on the Southern Border Wall and the Democrats went nuts.

mario lento
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 27, 2020 7:33 pm

Agreed! And do you remember this? Friggin’ PRICELESS!!!!!!!!!

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 27, 2020 8:47 pm

Abbott, he won’t release them to a New York district attorney. “just as soon as his lawyers decide it can be done.” ….uh…..no…… it’s not his lawyer’s call.

“Trump is the most honest president in U.S. history” well, he’s claimed he can’t release them because he is under audit by the IRS, but the IRS has no rules that prevent them from being released. Clearly he’s lying.

Trump said he’s never screwed Stormy Daniels, Stormy says he has. One is lying, but one got paid a lot of money to keep their mouth shut. Oh….how about Karen McDougal?

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 27, 2020 8:50 pm

“the most vetted.” …….no, Trump has not disclosed his birth certificate.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 27, 2020 8:54 pm

“the most vetted.” ……who took his SAT exam? We haven’t seen his grades from school????

John Endicott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 28, 2020 4:50 am

…….no, Trump has not disclosed his birth certificate.

Sorry, wrong again Mr Pool.


In fact Trump has supplied 3:
1) the Certificate from Jamaica Hospital in Queens (provided to Maher as seen in the above link).
2) the Certificate of Birth Registration for New York City
3) the Certification of Birth from The City of New York’s Vital Records department

However, Bill Maher hasn’t (as far as I’m aware) disclosed if he ever donated the $5 million that he offered to in exchange for the Birth Certificate.

Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 28, 2020 10:35 am

Poor Hank, he’s starting to drool on himself.

Joel Snider
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 28, 2020 12:56 pm

Hey Henry – they show us ANYTHING about Obama’s college days?

This has been a four year rat-f*ck and the slimelords that you support STILL can’t find enough to railroad Trump with.

Of course, propaganda works best on the bigoted – which is where progressives live.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 29, 2020 7:24 am

““Trump is the most honest president in U.S. history” well, he’s claimed he can’t release them because he is under audit by the IRS, but the IRS has no rules that prevent them from being released. Clearly he’s lying.”

You’re confused, Henry. Trump does claim he can’t release his tax returns because he is under IRS audit, but he never said it was because of IRS rules, but rather it was because of the advice of his lawyers. His lawyers advise him not to release his tax records until after the tax audit is completed and it is perfectly legal for Trump to follow his lawyer’s advice, and if someone doesn’t like it, they can sue Trump. And that’s where we are. No lying on Trump’s part.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 29, 2020 7:47 am

Henry wrote: “Trump said he’s never screwed Stormy Daniels, Stormy says he has. One is lying, but one got paid a lot of money to keep their mouth shut.”

That’s right. My money is on Trump. Trump could have been paying hush money just to get her to hush, not because he actually had sex with her. Just the accusation would cause him a lot of trouble, as we have seen. So if he could avoid that publicity, I can see where he might want to make a deal with her. That doesn’t mean he had sex with her. You are free to assume whatever you want.

Henry wrote: ” Oh….how about Karen McDougal?”

What about her? Can you make a case for her? She apparently cannot.

It’s easy to make accusations. Anyone can do it. Proving it is another matter. Perhaps you should take notice of how good the radical Democrats are at ginning up fake scandals for their political opponents. They are very good at it. At one time they had over a dozen different women making sexual assault claims against Trump. Not one of the claims stood up to scrutiny. But that doesn’t matter to Democrats. What they are after is the accusation, as they can use that to smear their opponents, whether the accusations prove true or not.

None of the women that falsely accused Trump could prove their cases. Most of them didn’t even try. And some of the accusations were frivilous, like the beauty contestant that complained that Trump told her she was too fat for the contest.

John Endicott
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 28, 2020 4:37 am

What is Obama hiding by not releasing his birth certificate, Henry?

That question makes as much sense as your question does! The fact that both men’s initial impulse was to refuse to make public certain documents doesn’t mean they’re hiding anything. It took years before Obama finally released the birth certificate, and there’s no agency of the government with the power to audit birth certificates, and little in a birth certificate that can be twisted by ones political enemies into appearing to be somehow nefarious despite not being so.

Reply to  John Endicott
July 28, 2020 10:36 am

You expect Hank to make sense?
He’s reached the point where he’s grabbing every straw that he can find to distract from the fact that his earlier rants have fallen flat.

Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 28, 2020 4:56 am

One tax return did get out somehow to CNN and they devoted a prime time show to it.

It was a nothing burger, it showed that he paid a lot of tax, there was nothing in it to get at him.

Based on that one, I suspect none of his tax returns reveal anything nefarious.

Reply to  Henry Pool
July 28, 2020 5:55 am

Question. What would be found in his tax returns that would make him unelectable?

I’d be happy for Trumps tax returns to made public, as well as Joe Biden’s financial dealings with China, Ukraine, while being an elected US official and how on earth a drug addict like Hunter got on that energy company board in Ukraine? And was the firing of the Ukraine prosecutor directly tied to the US foreign aid as Joe Biden threatened when he publicly stated he asked for the prosecutor to be fired? Quid pro quo? NO?

If you want transparency in your leaders then you best make sure they’re squeaky clean. Lucky Joe has onset dementia, what he can’t remember will be his saving Grace. I wonder is Joe has a foundation he can funnel his ill gotten gains into like the Clintons have?

Joel Snider
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 28, 2020 12:57 pm

That’s called not wanting be rat-f*cked by the slimiest democrat party in memory.

Reply to  Joel O'Bryan
July 27, 2020 3:27 pm

Even without debates, all Trump has to do is play all of the mental lapses that Biden has made since the start of the campaign.

Start off with by pointing out the problems with Joe’s mental faculties, then have a couple of staffers start talking about the Democrats plan to replace Biden a few months after the election with their actual candidate, whoever the VP is.

Reply to  MarkW
July 27, 2020 4:20 pm


Tom Abbott
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 7:30 pm

Grasping at straws, aren’t you, Henry.

Reply to  MarkW
July 27, 2020 4:30 pm

Is injecting a disinfectant a “mental lapse?”
“And then I see the disinfectant, that knocks it out in a minute…and is there a way you can do something like, by injection, inside, or almost to clean…it sounds interesting to me.

Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 5:03 pm

You never got any disinfectant injected, ever? Really sure?

Reply to  niceguy
July 27, 2020 6:30 pm

Never, and I’m sure

Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 6:04 pm

The 1st b, scratch that, Black President Willixm Jefferson Clinton, peace be upon his name, told it like it is, scratch that, be when thus enlightened the world: “It depends on what the meaning of is is.”

Reply to  gringojay
July 27, 2020 6:05 pm

edit: Jeffersxn – don’t doxx me bro’!

Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 7:01 pm

It really is pathetic how trolls take whatever the media tells them as gospel, without ever checking the whole truth.
It’s almost as if they are being paid to be dishonest.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Henry Pool
July 27, 2020 7:28 pm

“Is injecting a disinfectant a “mental lapse?””

No, that’s one of the lies you tell about Trump.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Tom Abbott
July 29, 2020 8:19 am

I was watching the congressional hearing with Attroney General Bob Barr yesterday, and one of the idiot Democrats on the Judiciary Committee repeated this “Trump wants people to inject disinfectant” distortion of the truth. See, Henry, you’re a bad influence on at least one congresscritter.

I think this congresscritter was that guy that thought Guam was in danger of tipping over if too much weight was put on one end of the island.

Anyone who watched that House hearing saw the real, ugly face of the radical Democrats. They are just dripping with hate for anyone who doesn’t see the world the way they do. All they did was grandstand and show their contempt for their political opponents. They are the devisive ones. They are the ones who don̵