Claim: New research shows the South Pole is warming faster than the rest of the world

Hmmmmm, or not ~cr

Elaine Hood/NSF

Kyle Clem, Te Herenga Waka — Victoria University of Wellington

Climate scientists long thought Antarctica’s interior may not be very sensitive to warming, but our research, published today, shows a dramatic change.

Over the past 30 years, the South Pole has been one of the fastest changing places on Earth, warming more than three times more rapidly than the rest of the world.

My colleagues and I argue these warming trends are unlikely the result of natural climate variability alone. The effects of human-made climate change appear to have worked in tandem with the significant influence natural variability in the tropics has on Antarctica’s climate. Together they make the South Pole warming one of the strongest warming trends on Earth.


Read more: Antarctica has lost 3 trillion tonnes of ice in 25 years. Time is running out for the frozen continent


The Amundsen-Scott South Pole station is the Earth’s southern-most weather observatory. Craig Knott/NSF

The South Pole is not immune to warming

The South Pole lies within the coldest region on Earth: the Antarctic plateau. Average temperatures here range from -60℃ during winter to just -20℃ during summer.

Antarctica’s climate generally has a huge range in temperature over the course of a year, with strong regional contrasts. Most of West Antarctica and the Antarctic Peninsula were warming during the late 20th century. But the South Pole — in the remote and high-altitude continental interior — cooled until the 1980s.

Scientists have been tracking temperature at the Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station, Earth’s southernmost weather observatory, since 1957. It is one of the longest-running complete temperature records on the Antarctic continent.

Our analysis of weather station data from the South Pole shows it has warmed by 1.8℃ between 1989 and 2018, changing more rapidly since the start of the 2000s. Over the same period, the warming in West Antarctica suddenly stopped and the Antarctic Peninsula began cooling.

One of the reasons for the South Pole warming was stronger low-pressure systems and stormier weather east of the Antarctic Peninsula in the Weddell Sea. With clockwise flow around the low-pressure systems, this has been transporting warm, moist air onto the Antarctic plateau.

South Pole warming linked to the tropics

Our study also shows the ocean in the western tropical Pacific started warming rapidly at the same time as the South Pole. We found nearly 20% of the year-to-year temperature variations at the South Pole were linked to ocean temperatures in the tropical Pacific, and several of the warmest years at the South Pole in the past two decades happened when the western tropical Pacific ocean was also unusually warm.

To investigate this possible mechanism, we performed a climate model experiment and found this ocean warming produces an atmospheric wave pattern that extends across the South Pacific to Antarctica. This results in a stronger low-pressure system in the Weddell Sea.

Map of the Antarctic continent. National Science Foundation

We know from earlier studies that strong regional variations in temperature trends are partly due to Antarctica’s shape.

The East Antarctic Ice Sheet, bordered by the South Atlantic and Indian oceans, extends further north than the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, in the South Pacific. This causes two distinctly different weather patterns with different climate impacts.

More steady, westerly winds around East Antarctica keep the local climate relatively stable, while frequent intense storms in the high-latitude South Pacific transport warm, moist air to parts of West Antarctica.

Scientists have suggested these two different weather patterns, and the mechanisms driving their variability, are the likely reason for strong regional variability in Antarctica’s temperature trends.


Read more: How solar heat drives rapid melting of parts of Antarctica’s largest ice shelf


What this means for the South Pole

Our analysis reveals extreme variations in South Pole temperatures can be explained in part by natural tropical variability.

To estimate the influence of human-induced climate change, we analysed more than 200 climate model simulations with observed greenhouse gas concentrations over the period between 1989 and 2018. These climate models show recent increases in greenhouse gases have possibly contributed around 1℃ of the total 1.8℃ of warming at the South Pole.

We also used the models to compare the recent warming rate to all possible 30-year South Pole temperature trends that would occur naturally without human influence. The observed warming exceeds 99.9% of all possible trends without human influence – and this means the recent warming is extremely unlikely under natural conditions, albeit not impossible. It appears the effects from tropical variability have worked together with increasing greenhouse gases, and the end result is one of the strongest warming trends on the planet.

The temperature variability at the South Pole is so extreme it masks anthropogenic effects. Keith Vanderlinde/NSF

These climate model simulations reveal the remarkable nature of South Pole temperature variations. The observed South Pole temperature, with measurements dating back to 1957, shows 30-year temperature swings ranging from more than 1℃ of cooling during the 20th century to more than 1.8℃ of warming in the past 30 years.

This means multi-decadal temperature swings are three times stronger than the estimated warming from human-caused climate change of around 1℃.

The temperature variability at the South Pole is so extreme it currently masks human-caused effects. The Antarctic interior is one of the few places left on Earth where human-caused warming cannot be precisely determined, which means it is a challenge to say whether, or for how long, the warming will continue.

But our study reveals extreme and abrupt climate shifts are part of the climate of Antarctica’s interior. These will likely continue into the future, working to either hide human-induced warming or intensify it when natural warming processes and the human greenhouse effect work in tandem.

Kyle Clem, Research Fellow in Climate Science, Te Herenga Waka — Victoria University of Wellington

This article is republished from The Conversation under a Creative Commons license. Read the original article.

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Matthew
June 30, 2020 6:26 pm

Everywhere is warming twice as fast as everywhere else.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/07/24/faster-than-everyplace-else/

It’s just like every school is above average. People can’t math anymore…

Bryan A
Reply to  Matthew
June 30, 2020 7:28 pm

Wowee a whole 2c increase in the anomaly.
So Antarctica has warmed from Freeze Your A$$ Off cold to simply Freeze Your Nuts Off cold

toorightmate
Reply to  Bryan A
June 30, 2020 8:33 pm

Colder than a mother-in-law’s kiss.

John Endicott
Reply to  toorightmate
July 1, 2020 3:30 am

as a colleague of mine would say during the winter: it’s colder than a whore’s tit.
However, in the summer he would claim it was hotter than a whore’s tit.
I think he was just a little bit too obsessed with the relative temperature of whore’s tits.

Jim
Reply to  John Endicott
July 1, 2020 8:36 am

Gotta keep those big tits warm and stay as close to them as you can year round.

Mark Folkestad
Reply to  John Endicott
July 1, 2020 12:59 pm

I usually say colder than a banker’s heart. My banker neighbor loved it.

Crispin in Waterloo
Reply to  John Endicott
July 2, 2020 1:25 pm

I don’t think these sayings are correct. The point about witches was that they danced naked around the fire no matter the weather. Thus, “Colder than a witch’s tit,” became a popular comparison.

I admit to never having heard about something hot being attributed to witches or whores. I would volunteer that, “As hot as a N’Orleans sidewalk,” carries a lot of imagery including certain professions…

David A Anderson
Reply to  Bryan A
July 1, 2020 3:39 am

The Continent has not warmed 2c.

Max
Reply to  David A Anderson
July 2, 2020 5:56 pm

Only 1°C from the baseline? And that’s with 24 hour sunlight for more than three months! How is that possible?( it warms more than that in the first hour of sunrise at my house)
It averages -40°F in the summer, too -70° Fahrenheit in six months of winter with zero sunlight. That’s only 30° colder. even the coast line never gets above freezing… it’s obvious there’s something else going on here because it makes their models seem to be created by Disneyland.

Scissor
Reply to  Matthew
June 30, 2020 7:31 pm

At that rate all the ice will be gone before we all die of COVID-19 in just a few millennia.

Reply to  Scissor
July 1, 2020 2:03 pm

thanks, you made me laugh!

Pat Frank
Reply to  Matthew
June 30, 2020 9:28 pm

Everywhere is warming twice as fast as everywhere else.

My thought exactly, when reading the header. 🙂

Mike Greenway
Reply to  Matthew
July 1, 2020 2:23 am

Me duth think that their have been changes in the type of thermometers used.

beng135b
Reply to  Matthew
July 1, 2020 11:24 am

Everywhere is warming twice as fast as everywhere else.

Which one would think leads to the conclusion that everywhere else is warming only half as fast.

TedM
Reply to  beng135b
July 1, 2020 2:59 pm

That would fit with AGW’s circular reasoning.

stinkerp
June 30, 2020 6:26 pm

Cherry picking; which is what this breed of climate scientist climate alarmist does best. They select data from a few weather stations on the continent and ignore the satellite data which covers the whole continent. Sound suspiciously like the Mann trick of discarding tree rings he doesn’t like.

When you look at the UAH temperature data since 1979 from satellite telemetry since 1979, which covers all of Antarctica, there appears to be no warming trend whatsoever.

Graph of land temperatures measured by satellite for 60° to 90° south (Antarctica) from UAH over the last 40 years:

http://yburbs.com/uah-temp-all/uah-temp-all.html?ga=0&spl

You can also select other latitudes or global data and compare and contrast.

Charles Higley
Reply to  stinkerp
June 30, 2020 7:33 pm

Very likely there is a lot of problems with a recording station at the S. Pole. Its height above the snow/ice can vary a lot and the device tends to end up under the snow, which can make it less sensitive and see larger swings. Sound familiar? Look at the graph. Well insulated the battery may actually heat the station. It would have to be restated regularly to be valid.

Loydo
Reply to  Charles Higley
June 30, 2020 7:59 pm

“a lot of problems with a recording station at the S. Pole”

Really, you’ve been there? what’s it like?

Glenn
Reply to  Loydo
June 30, 2020 10:17 pm

I have, although that was in the 70s. Colder than a witch’s tit in winter. And that was in one of the warmer areas, in summer.
Probably short sleeve weather by now. Go try it, pack light.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Glenn
July 1, 2020 12:29 am

“Loydo June 30, 2020 at 7:59 pm
“a lot of problems with a recording station at the S. Pole”

Really, you’ve been there? what’s it like?”

People like Loydo think they are being smart when they make comments like this, and then they run in to people like you Glenn that actually have ventured out to places like Antarctica.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2020 9:09 am

Every village has its idiot, and on WUWT it’s Loydo

Loydo
Reply to  stinkerp
June 30, 2020 7:55 pm

“Cherry picking”, “They … ignore the satellite data…”, “no warming trend whatsoever”.

I thought the post is about the South Pole, but they even mention “Over the same period, the warming in West Antarctica suddenly stopped and the Antarctic Peninsula began cooling.” But I get it, reposting something like this here is not about the “study”.

Btw, you cherry picked, here’s one that isn’t:
http://yburbs.com/uah-temp-all/uah-temp-all.html?ga=0&spl
Well whaddya know?

Pat Frank
Reply to  Loydo
June 30, 2020 9:44 pm

I know that the plot you favor
http://yburbs.com/uah-temp-all/uah-temp-all.html?ga=0&spl
shows no South Polar warming trend at all since 1980.

Did you know that, Loydo? Or are you really so unable to read a graph?

philincalifornia
Reply to  Pat Frank
June 30, 2020 10:38 pm

I think that many people on here know that Loydo doesn’t know how to read a graph, and then some.

John Endicott
Reply to  philincalifornia
July 1, 2020 3:33 am

I think you could have ended your post 5 words earlier 😉

Loydo
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 1, 2020 12:10 am

Mmm, thats odd, I just cut and pasted the temp-all plot address but it seems to default to the Southern Polar Land-plot. Oh well you’ll just have to go there and select ‘all’ yourself. ‘All’ because that is then no longer a cherry-pick…
Btw thankyou to the generous, kind-hearted souls who’ve taken the time and effort to help me out.

stinkerp
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2020 12:41 am

Loydo, without any query parameters, the page defaults to the Global Average, like this:

http://yburbs.com/uah-temp-all/uah-temp-all.html

If you add any query parameters (for example ?gl&go to show Global Land and Global Ocean) it will display the default Global Average and the other plots. To turn off the Global Average you have to use ga=0. For example, to display only Southern Hemisphere (all), you would use:

http://yburbs.com/uah-temp-all/uah-temp-all.html?ga=0&sa

Sorry to make it so complicated. I haven’t figured out yet how to update the address when you select a different plot in the legend.

Loydo
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2020 2:52 am

Yeah it was the Global average I was trying to link to. Is that your page? Well done if it is.

David Guy-Johnson
Reply to  Loydo
June 30, 2020 10:51 pm

Loydo. Well done for making a fool of yourself, again. There’s no warming trend in that graph

stinkerp
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2020 12:26 am

Loydo, I think you probably tried to show a different plot from that data but selecting a different plot from the legend on the right doesn’t update the link in the address bar. You have to create the link manually using the instructions at the bottom of the page. I created that page to make it easier to visualize all the UAH lower troposphere data and compare and contrast different latitudes and ocean and land data. It’s a work in progress. Also, the data is only through February 2020. I haven’t updated it to the latest (May 2020). Soon.

For example, to turn off the default Global Average and display only the Global Land plot:

http://yburbs.com/uah-temp-all/uah-temp-all.html?ga=0&gl

Or if you want to just display the Global Average (default):

http://yburbs.com/uah-temp-all/uah-temp-all.html

Could you re-post the graph you were trying to show? I’m curious to see.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2020 1:02 am

Loydo: Thanks for confirming that there’s no warming trend.

Hoist on your own petard.

Loydo
Reply to  Graemethecat
July 1, 2020 2:53 am

Yeah there is Graeme – the global trend.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2020 5:17 am

After adjustments?

Phil R
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2020 9:29 am

To the extent that there might be a trend, without doing any complex mathemagic, the range is approximately 1.2 C° in approx. 40 years (approx. -0.4 °C before 1980 to approx. 0.8 °C in 2020). That works out to a warming trend of approx. 0.03 °C/yr. Not sure it’s something I would get terribly alarmed over.

side note, if we (cherry)pick 1980 to make it an even 40 years, the range and trend are even lower.

Please show me the apocalypse.

Patrick MJD
June 30, 2020 6:27 pm

“…an ensemble of climate models…” shows warming? U of Wellington must be looking for funding. And 3 trillion tonnes of ice loss over 25 years?

Megs
Reply to  Patrick MJD
June 30, 2020 9:05 pm

Do you think that would be a ‘net’ loss of ice Patrick, otherwise isn’t that statement pretty meaningless?

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Megs
July 1, 2020 12:26 am

It is totally meaningless however, people who are fearful and easily lead, Loydo for instance, will believe the big scary numbers. Lets assume the average car weighs 1.5 tonnes. Three trillion tonnes is 1.5 trillion cars. It’s scary! But then they add “…over 25 years…” on a continent that is so large and covered in ice, permanently, that 3 trillion over 25 years won’t add up to much in the bigger picture when you factor in ice growth and we know ice mass and volume is increasing over Antarctica.

Megs
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 1, 2020 1:50 am

Thanks Patrick, I’ve come to realise that it’s often about the timeframe and the information that’s left out. Some people just don’t look at all the angles.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 1, 2020 1:05 pm

I’ve calculated that the loss of 3 trillion tonnes of ice from Antarctica is equivalent to the continent losing approximately 22 cm of ice. (Area of Antarctica = 14 million Km sq = 1.4 x 10exp13 sq m. Mass loss per sq m = 3 x 10exp12/1.4 x 10exp13 = 0.2143 tonnes/sq m, equivalent to a depth of about 22 cm. Somehow that figure seems less impressive than 3 trillion tonnes.

Curious George
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 1, 2020 10:10 am

Is that nice graph a result of a measurement, of a homogenization, or of a model?

F1nn
Reply to  Curious George
July 2, 2020 2:04 am

No. It´s just adjusted.

Robert Austin
June 30, 2020 6:30 pm

one of the few places left on Earth where human-caused warming cannot be precisely determined

I was not aware that human-caused warming had been precisely determined elsewhere. I mean that our knowledge of climate sensitivity to CO2 doubling has not been narrowed down in twenty years of mind-blowingly expensive “research”.

Robert Austin
Reply to  Robert Austin
July 1, 2020 10:46 am

Make that 30 years since FAR 1990. Billions down the toilet.

No one.
June 30, 2020 6:31 pm

If a tree falls in the forest during a hurricane, did it make a noise loud enough to hear? If you can’t hear it, how do you guess how loud it was?

My model said it should be this loud, but doesn’t take into account the dampening effects of all the other sounds, because I think they’re all only additive. That’s my narrative.

Happy Canada Day.

June 30, 2020 6:31 pm

WHY are there such large peak-peak excursions after 1980 in the “Annual mean surface temperature anomalies” graph?

Loydo
Reply to  _Jim
June 30, 2020 8:14 pm

*One* good question out of dozens of posts that might be interesting to follow. Is that good or bad result Charles?

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Loydo
June 30, 2020 8:50 pm

Were you able to discern between a photo and artwork this time at least?

Pat from kerbob
June 30, 2020 6:33 pm

Thank goodness for models or they wouldn’t know precisely how much warming was caused by us

n.n
Reply to  Pat from kerbob
June 30, 2020 7:31 pm

Remove what’s known, infer what’s not known, infill with brown matter what cannot be known, and what remains is plausibly an anthropogenic signal.

June 30, 2020 6:36 pm

Climate model nonsense plus one weather station with real data – quality of those data unknown

More climate alarmist nonsense from the always wrong models.

Show me real raw temperatures from real weather stations — not just one — and not just computer game conclusions.

Leitwolf
June 30, 2020 6:37 pm

LOL! This is really confusing, since the paper below almost convinced me, that CO2 causes a “negative GHE” in Antarctica, which is why this region is immune to global warming…

“How increasing CO2 leads to an increased negative greenhouse effect in Antarctica”

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2015GL066749

Serious: Antarctica is not warming because there are no (or almost none) contrails (not even close to it), which actually cause some warming, as opposed to CO2. But I totally understand how this problem must be “fixed”, either by claiming there was secret warming nonetheless (which went undiscovered so far), or building fancy new theorys.

philipjbarr
Reply to  Leitwolf
June 30, 2020 7:41 pm

Thanks for beating me to it and saving me from having to go search for it.

I looked back up there to see if they had referenced this paper but, unless I missed them they didn’t reference anything. I also recall that when Schmithüsenet al. was published there was indeed a slight cooling trend across the whole of Antarctica:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcReoE4-XCawX_q-wlUNaKK0slzAPHl_yfd0Qw&usqp=CAU

Maybe both groups could go down there and duke it out.

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  philipjbarr
June 30, 2020 8:07 pm

Yep just as soon as they find a half-arsed explanation as to why it wasn’t following global warming, someone else claims it actually is…

Leitwolf
Reply to  Leitwolf
July 1, 2020 6:17 am

Btw… they build this station in 2005 and then added a black facade to it. Could it be, that a large black complex in an otherwise totally white environment, thus being the only thing to effectively absorb solar radiation, have some impact on local temperatures?

I am just asking, since the “warming” apparently occured since 2005..

SMC
June 30, 2020 6:38 pm

Did I miss it? They didn’t say Antarctica is warming twice as fast as the rest of the globe. What kind of climate science is that?

Richard M
Reply to  SMC
June 30, 2020 8:08 pm
John Endicott
Reply to  Richard M
July 1, 2020 3:38 am

you mean *gasp* it’s worse than we thought!
/sarc for the sarcasm impaired.

June 30, 2020 6:40 pm

The time period chosen to determine recent warming seems poorly chosen (cherry-picked?) for an unbiased analysis. The beginning year, 1989, is an extreme trough, and the ending year, 2018, clearly looks like a periodic peak. Where is the 2019 data? Surely it must be available now. Why not use 1985 or 1992 as the beginning point…both years near the middle of the periodic rise and fall?

toorightmate
Reply to  Wayne Raymond
June 30, 2020 8:37 pm

Temperatures did not exist in those early years.
The thermometer was not invented until 1985.
BUT, when it was invented, it was 3 times more popular than the average invention.

Nick Graves
Reply to  toorightmate
July 1, 2020 8:10 am

Don’t forget thermometer forcing:

All those thermometers pulled heat out of the air so they read cooler than it actually is.

According to the model I just built. A Tamiya one.

commieBob
June 30, 2020 6:44 pm

A surprising finding … in a place where everybody is looking … are these folks smarter than everyone else, or are they just wrong?

They look at a 1C cooling then a 1.8C warming. So the total is 0.8C but they look at the 1.8C and say it happened really fast. If I’m allowed to do that, I’m sure I can find some weather stations with some really dramatically fast cooling in the last ‘x’ years.

Reply to  commieBob
July 1, 2020 11:44 am

commieBob,
“They look at a 1C cooling then a 1.8C warming. So the total is 0.8C but they look at the 1.8C and say it happened really fast. If I’m allowed to do that, I’m sure I can find some weather stations with some really dramatically fast cooling in the last ‘x’ years.”
If I’m allowed to do that, I’m sure I can find some weather stations with some really dramatically fast cooling in the last – um, twelve hours!
There. Better?

Auto
.

Earthling2
June 30, 2020 6:44 pm

So, instead of an average annual temperature of -42 C, it will now be -40 and change. Or colder if other estimates are more accurate for annual average temps at the South Pole. I would be really surprised if there was no wiggling of the long term temperatures a few degrees either way. That is what climate does. What caused the cooling during the 20th century, when CO2 was rising?

Antartica is currently a desert with little atmospheric humidity, so if there is any warming to be seen purely from CO2 inhibiting heat loss to space, this is where we should see it. But is it caused by CO2 at a measly 412 ppmv, or as they alluded to that there is more clouds in this shorter weather/perhaps temporary climate cycle from a warm tropical Pacific Ocean? Either way, there is no melting going on at these temperatures for most of the continent, except maybe for the WIS where there is volcanic activity and maybe the peninsula where it juts out into the Southern Ocean. Yes, maybe it is slightly warmer, but so what? It is still extremely cold and it can’t warm up that much more at those altitudes for the majority of the continent.

And 3 trillion tonnes of ice melt is not much compared to the entire Antarctic ice sheet that is the largest single mass of ice on Earth. It covers an area of almost 14 million square km and contains 30 million cubic km of ice. Around 90 percent of the fresh water on the Earth’s surface is held in the ice sheet, an amount equivalent to 70 m of water in the world’s oceans. I am not going to lose any sleep over this. Well actually, -40 and colder does give me nightmares so maybe I will wake up in a cold sweat now.

Jean Parisot
Reply to  Earthling2
July 1, 2020 9:45 am

Earthling, that’s an important point. The AGW hypothesis depends on positive feedback from water vapor. That very dry climate doesn’t support significant, much less increasing, atmospheric water vapor. So, any ‘warming’ due to CO2 should be declining as CO2 saturates.

While I’m not going to accept this data, if it were true, it would point to a flaw in their hypothesis.

Mike
June 30, 2020 6:47 pm

Hmmm.. So why isn’t Macquarie Island warming?
http://www.geoffstuff.com/macq.jpg

Reply to  Mike
June 30, 2020 7:40 pm

1. because it’s an island and it’s temperature is highly modulated by the surrounding water.
2. you need to look at the ENTIRE AREA and asses area trends

you basically made the same mistake they did. single station silliness

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Steven Mosher
June 30, 2020 8:54 pm

“…2. you need to look at the ENTIRE AREA and asses area trends…”

You won’t find many asses to base your tends off of. I really don’t see how this is relevant to temperature, but then again, I wasn’t an English lit major.

John in Oz
Reply to  Michael Jankowski
July 1, 2020 4:59 pm

I have been to Macquarie Island (1985 on HMAS Stalwart resupplying the scientists when the Nella Dan became stuck in the Antarctic ice).

There are many thousands of asses on that island – penguins and seals

Reply to  Michael Jankowski
July 3, 2020 6:11 am

“You won’t find many asses to base your tends off of. I really don’t see how this is relevant to temperature, but then again, I wasn’t an English lit major.”

tends?

You will find many

Go here

https://moshpit.shinyapps.io/ShinyGHCN/

I’m still working on it but have a look

select antarctica

there are more in berkeley earth.

scroll down to the map

82

dumbshit

Michael Jankowski
Reply to  Steven Mosher
June 30, 2020 8:55 pm

(trends that is)

Mike
Reply to  Steven Mosher
June 30, 2020 10:11 pm

No, it’s not warming because Antarctica is not warming.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969716327152

John Endicott
Reply to  Steven Mosher
July 1, 2020 3:40 am

2. you need to look at the ENTIRE AREA and asses area trends

Well, you certainly have all the experience when it comes to asses.

Gerald Machnee
Reply to  Steven Mosher
July 1, 2020 5:28 am

That means the surrounding water has NOT warmed.

Reply to  Gerald Machnee
July 3, 2020 6:27 am

I would not expect it to warm at the surface, any excess heat is going to go into melting ice first

Reply to  Steven Mosher
July 1, 2020 5:55 am

re:

Steven Mosher June 30, 2020 at 7:40 pm

1. because it’s an island and it’s temperature is highly modulated by the surrounding water.
2. you need to look at the ENTIRE AREA and asses area trends

you basically made the same mistake they did. single station silliness

IOW, “ignore this data point, year after year, and always.

‘k

Reply to  _Jim
July 3, 2020 6:29 am

“IOW, “ignore this data point, year after year, and always.”

Ignore? why? It’s a data point.

we know there will local areas that show more warming, less warming and some that will show no warming.

as predicted

MarkW
Reply to  Steven Mosher
July 1, 2020 7:38 am

It’s an island? Really?
Do you have any idea how far the pole is from the nearest ocean?

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
July 1, 2020 8:38 am

He was referring to Macquarie Island , not the pole.

Reply to  MarkW
July 3, 2020 6:35 am

“I have been to Macquarie Island (1985 on HMAS Stalwart resupplying the scientists when the Nella Dan became stuck in the Antarctic ice).

There are many thousands of asses on that island – penguins and seals”

have someone translate for you mark.

Bear
June 30, 2020 7:09 pm

“Over the same period, the warming in West Antarctica suddenly stopped and the Antarctic Peninsula began cooling.”

So one part of Antartica is warming but another part has stopped and one is cooling? Yet all they talk about is the warming part. Of course, models

John Bruyn
June 30, 2020 7:19 pm

People who crap on about global warming by human beings should get their heads examined as sure enough they don’t display any common sense by believing in computer models. Picking on something that has been happening over 30 years or even 60 years is insignificant compared with what has been happening since before the Antarctic became glaciated 45 million years ago and the global warming that preceded the start of the Holocene interglacial warm period 12,000 years ago. You’d a bit of a luni to think that a CO2 increase of 0.01% over 60 years as measured in the tropical updaft at 3.4 km altitude on the slope of one of the active volcanoes with 48% CO2 in their emissions is going to warm the planet when photosynthesis that started global cooling some 2.7 billion years ago can’t get enough of it and is causing one ice age after another, called a period of glaciation. I think we could call it anarchistic delusion.

Graemethecat
Reply to  John Bruyn
July 1, 2020 9:58 am

The whole concept of a “trend” is fundamentally meaningless when applied to a stochastic non-deterministic process like climate.

J Mac
Reply to  Graemethecat
July 2, 2020 9:34 am

And within that stochastic non-deterministic process, 30 years of data is the mere blink of the temporal climate eye. ‘Seeing a trend’ in the last 20% of that climate ‘eye blink’ is a special form of hubris…. or willful deceit.

J Mac
Reply to  J Mac
July 2, 2020 9:37 am

Dang ham hands… s/b 60 years of data.

Clyde Spencer
June 30, 2020 7:37 pm

“The temperature variability at the South Pole is so extreme it currently masks human-caused effects.”

That’s like saying that unicorns cause pseudo-random number generators to produce numbers that are not truly random, but the range is so extreme that it masks the unicorn-caused effects. Therefore, the hypothesis cannot be proven. That’s how to do science. Propose an untestable hypothesis, and assume that it is true.

June 30, 2020 7:37 pm

arrg

Several of us disagree with the framing of this finding.

https://twitter.com/VariabilityBlog/status/1277718224096972801

https://twitter.com/VariabilityBlog/status/1277718225804038150

https://twitter.com/VariabilityBlog/status/1277718227754328065

1. it is ONE station on the continent. Jesus. The long station fetish can be very misleading.
2. The area average of the continent does not show the same level of warming.
3. Antarctic stations are a bitch to assess for bias because of several phenomena
A) Katabatic winds
B) Sparse spatial sampling
C) The lacuna in the temporal record.

We think that station has issues. Our estimate shows that the station shows a warming that is
out of coherence with it’s neighbors and suggest it is biased HIGH.

https://twitter.com/RARohde/status/1277879490044219392

https://twitter.com/RARohde/status/1277881055517777921

Climate believer
Reply to  Steven Mosher
June 30, 2020 11:55 pm

Mr Mosher said: “Several of us disagree with the framing of this finding.”

Trouble is it’s too late, the headline has spun around the world providing more grist to the mill.

It’s reprehensible unrelenting propaganda for a political cause, whilst unashamedly besmirching science.

“time is running out for the frozen continent” are you freaking serious!!

MarkW
Reply to  Steven Mosher
July 1, 2020 7:41 am

Earlier you were telling us it’s an island. Now it’s a continent. Which is it?
It’s your side who framed the claim. It’s your side that often picks a single station or a single region and uses it to prove the whole world.

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
July 1, 2020 8:40 am

Far be it for me to defend the drive-bv king, but he was referring to Macquarie Island in that “earlier” post (look at the post he was replying to) whereas here he’s referring to the topic of the article (ie Antarctica, which is a continent).

Reply to  MarkW
July 3, 2020 6:33 am

Guy asked about an island

I answered his question.

Now you know why drive by is vindicated.

I can’t stay around for your stupidity

John Endicott
Reply to  Steven Mosher
July 6, 2020 4:21 am

Because someone got something wrong vindicates your getting everything wrong with mindless drive-bys? really? Bwahahahahahahahaha

John Endicott
Reply to  MarkW
July 6, 2020 4:21 am

Because someone got something wrong vindicates your getting everything wrong with mindless drive-bys? really? Bwahahahahahahahaha

Nick Schroeder
June 30, 2020 7:39 pm

Cherry picked a bunch of highs and lows.

UAH data does not show any thang like that.

MarkW
June 30, 2020 7:39 pm

CO2 has been increasing pretty much monotonically since around 1950, yet temperatures at the S. Pole did not start to increase until 2000.

Either CO2 took 50 years to make it to the S. Pole, or something else is responsible for the warming.

Nick Schroeder
June 30, 2020 7:43 pm

“The temperature variability at the South Pole is so extreme it masks anthropogenic effects. Keith Vanderlinde/NSF”

We don’t know for sure it’s there, but if it isn’t we are all out of a job, no more grants or junkets, so we’ll just assume it is.

Much like DLR that MUST be there, ’cause if it isn’t the whole show goes in the dumpster.

lee
June 30, 2020 8:07 pm

Fifty-year Amundsen–Scott South Pole station surface climatology

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Fig. 6. Annual mean temperatures for 1957–2010 (blue), 10 year running mean (black), and least squares linear regression line (dashed, r2 = 0.017).

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Fig. 5. Mean temperature for the 30-year climatology sets (1961–1990, 1971–2000, and 1981–2010) and for the 50-year climatology (1957–2006).

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0169809512002256

It's all BS
June 30, 2020 8:17 pm

So only 63 years of temperature data to go off?

Tom Abbott
Reply to  It's all BS
July 1, 2020 7:25 am

Yeah, they need to go back to the very warm Early Twentieth Century before making claims about how much the temperatures have dropped in Antarctica. The year 1957 was a lot cooler than temperatures in the 1930’s.

It's all BS
June 30, 2020 8:28 pm

And doesn’t Chicago have similiar temperature variability throughout the year?

Sara
June 30, 2020 8:35 pm

I read stuff like this and kind of long for the days bygone, when smog and inversion layers were a visible problem and the sky looked like someone had been smoking about 10,000 packs a day of Lucky Strikes.

John Endicott
Reply to  Sara
July 1, 2020 8:49 am

Well hey, 20,679 physicians say “luckies are less irritating”*, so the science is settled smoking lucky strikes are doctor recommended!

* actual Lucky Strikes advertising claim based off of a leading question survey sent to Doctors by the company that made Lucky Strikes.

Clay Sanborn
June 30, 2020 8:37 pm

All of Canada, Chicago, and much of the northern USA, is happy that the Laurentide Ice Sheet once warmed faster than any other place on Earth, because no one can barbecue under a mile of ice.
As George Carlin once said onstage, “We didn’t do it” [melt 3,000 trillion tonnes of ice].

James Bull
June 30, 2020 9:15 pm

I thought all the latest research shows that everywhere was warming twice as fast as the global average (was posted here some time ago) so this is just normal.

James Bull

gbaikie
June 30, 2020 9:21 pm

“These climate models show recent increases in greenhouse gases have possibly contributed around 1℃ of the total 1.8℃ of warming at the South Pole.”

Did they include Vegan farts as greenhouse gas?

But no matter how much they are powering generators and farting
they are not going warm it up by much.

Nothing of any scientific value is coming from this frozen continent.
Frequently Asked Questions about Antarctica
1/ Why doesn’t it rain in Antarctica ?
The simple answer is that it’s too cold.
2/ Where is the South Pole ?
Unlike the North Pole the South Pole is inland.
3/ What do you pack in your survival kits?
Scientists in Antarctica generally live on a base or station where everything is provided for them
4/ How do people survive the cold in Antarctica ?
You wrap up warm in layers and several of them.

They forgot mention the burning of fossil fuel.

Pat Frank
June 30, 2020 9:37 pm

The temperature anomaly plot has no ferschlunginer error bars. Yet again. It’s meaningless.

And the uncertainty in each anomaly is the root-sum-square of the error in the measurement and the uncertainty in the normal, making the anomalies less certain than the measurements.

These people are scientifically clueless. Consensus climatologists continue to indicate incompetence as a class.

Joel O’Bryan
Reply to  Pat Frank
June 30, 2020 10:30 pm

It’s a self-perpetuating incompetence, like an auto-regression.
I think it was Richard Lindzen that said the whole climate science field needs about 95% reduction in funding for at least 5 years, force whole programs to collapse and eliminate most researchers to find new jobs. Then it can restart with only properly trained researchers without being wed to bad ideas and hopelessly flawed models.

Graemethecat
Reply to  Pat Frank
July 1, 2020 9:15 am

Climate “Science” has reached such a peak of computer-modelled perfection that error bars are unnecessary.

Coeur de Lion
June 30, 2020 9:43 pm

Today earthnullschool.net has central Antarctica at minus 56C

Dennis Kuzara
June 30, 2020 9:55 pm

One of the reasons for the South Pole warming was stronger low-pressure systems and stormier weather east of the Antarctic Peninsula in the Weddell Sea. With clockwise flow around the low-pressure systems, this has been transporting warm, moist air onto the Antarctic plateau.

So, it is warming (by one degree) because stronger low-pressure systems have been transporting warm, moist air onto the Antarctic plateau. logically this means that there is a lot more precipitation because of the moist air, more snow is accumulating and being sequestered than normal (whatever normal is), which results in slowing sea level rise.

Maybe they need to change the headline.

Hans Erren
June 30, 2020 10:01 pm

Yes, a rise from -80C to -40C is rapid warming, but still deep freeze.

Krishna Gans
Reply to  Hans Erren
July 1, 2020 5:03 am

That’s why anomalies are most appreciated 😀

Phillip Bratby
June 30, 2020 10:21 pm

“we performed a climate model experiment”. Not scientists then. No need to read any further.

June 30, 2020 11:03 pm

In the prior interglacial, the Eemian, the WAIS had collapsed and that caused significant sea level rise that must have been catastrophic for the Neanderthals. It appears that this historic event has left a deep yearning in climate science for a similar catastrophic sea level rise event by way of ice melting in Antarctica midway into the Holocene. There is a long history of this yearning. It continues unabated. It is an obsession of some kind.

Pls see

https://tambonthongchai.com/2019/07/16/antarctica-slr/

June 30, 2020 11:04 pm

Is it relevant that Australia’s Antarctic base of Davis had a mean temperature of -10.24C in 1989-1998 and -10.30C in 2009-2018 – i.e. 0.06C cooler?

Or a bit more recently that Davis had a mean temperature of -10.24C in 1989-1998 and -10.34C in 2010-2019 – i.e. 0.10C cooler?

Or that Australia’s Antarctic base of Mawson had a mean temperature of -11.1C in 1955-1964, -11.4C in 1990-1999 and -11.3C in 2010-2019 – i.e. 0.2C cooler?

Probably not.

Rod Evans
June 30, 2020 11:29 pm

A perfect wind farm location, how come there are none in the picture…..?

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Rod Evans
July 1, 2020 1:25 am

The inhabitants of the Amundsen-Scott South Pole station is in dire need for more funding, before they can extent the diesel power needed to run an industrial wind turbine assembly.
Extra electricity is needed for heating gear oil and for deicing.
A defense system against flying penguins is needed, in order to avoid turbine blade chopped penguins, which could lead to invasion of polar bears grilling the chopped penguins.

Apart from the above slight sarcasm, it appears in the picture of the station, that there are solar panel arrays. If that is true, then the community is Green enough already.

Charles Nelson
July 1, 2020 12:29 am

Has anyone else noticed the timing of these ‘studies’ being released?
Always seems to come out around the Warm months of the year?
Funny that.

Loydo
Reply to  Charles Nelson
July 1, 2020 2:55 am

Actually there are two hemispheres Charles.

David A
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2020 3:54 am

Charles was clearly talking about NH publications, where and when the majority of humans live in the warmest weather. ( Remember how the extremist picked a summer heatwave to address the world, and turned off the AC? Yes, always expect more childish climate alarmist studies as we get into the NH summer.

Loydo
Reply to  David A
July 1, 2020 4:46 am

Sorry, sorry, yes you’re right – there is only one hemishere.

MarkW
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2020 7:43 am

Loydo just can’t bring herself to admit when she’s wrong.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2020 5:16 am

Actually there are 4. North, south, east and west. But I bet you knew that aye?

Dennis Kuzara
Reply to  Patrick MJD
July 1, 2020 7:25 am

There are an infinite number, just pick your coordinates

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Dennis Kuzara
July 1, 2020 8:20 am

Ok smart ass. The north and south are delimited by the equator. The east and west are delimited by the Greenwich meridian. Hence FOUR hemispheres!

Dennis Kuzara
Reply to  Dennis Kuzara
July 1, 2020 7:30 pm

hem·i·sphere – noun, a half of a sphere.

Of which there are an infinite number in any sphere.
You just happened to only pick 4 of them.

Patrick MJD
Reply to  Dennis Kuzara
July 2, 2020 12:57 am

“Dennis Kuzara July 1, 2020 at 7:30 pm”

Oh dear! Then why do we distinguish north and shout hemispheres about the equator? Nit picking I suspect!

John Endicott
Reply to  Loydo
July 1, 2020 9:05 am

No, Loydo, there’s actually more than that. There’s technically there’s an infinite number as a hemisphere simply refers to any division of the globe into two bounded by a great circle.

But the most commonly referred to Hemispheres are the ones based on the 4 points of the compass: North, (the half of the globe to north of the equator), South (the half of the globe to South of the equator), East (the half that lies east of the prime meridian and west of the 180th meridian) and West (the half that lies west of the prime meridian and east of the 180th meridian).

But regardless of how you wish to divide the earth into hemispheres, the fact remains that the majority of the population for whom the scare stories are targeted reside in what’s known as the Northern Hemisphere, so it should come as no surprise that those propaganda pieces tend to coincide most often with that hemisphere’s warmer months (the same reason that “a summer heatwave to address the world, and turned off the AC” as David A described it).

MrGrimNasty
July 1, 2020 2:12 am

So one point where a lot of energy hungry scientists gather is warming, and yet the whole continent is not!

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http://www.climate4you.com/images/70-90S%20MonthlyAnomaly%20Since1957.gif

observa
July 1, 2020 2:26 am

“My colleagues and I argue these warming trends are unlikely the result of natural climate variability alone.”

Why would you jump to that fanciful conclusion when the geology of Hallett Cove in South Australia can show an average SLR of 16.25mm a year for 8000 years beginning around 15000 years ago and then you look at the current tide gauges at Fort Denison NSW and Port Arthur Tasmania and there’s nothing like that currently in any living lifetime?

Run along and pop some Saharan dust in all those computer models along with the tree rings etc and stop bothering sensible folks with weather worrying as there’s only one temperature proxy to rule them all down the ages and that’s SLR-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/weather/topstories/saharan-dust-is-bad-for-health-but-it-s-also-crucial-to-earth-s-biology-and-climate/ar-BB16ahUm

observa
Reply to  observa
July 1, 2020 5:12 am

That’s when Kangaroo Island was Kangaroo Hills and no St Vincent or Spenser Gulfs existed to be named as the South Australian coastline was way south on the edge of the Continental Shelf before the sea rose 130M to create what we see today-
https://austhrutime.com/karta_island_of_the_dead.htm

“There were no Indigenous people living on Kangaroo Island when Flinders charted the Island’s coast in 1802, although archaeological evidence attests to earlier occupation.”
http://boundforsouthaustralia.com.au/journey-content/kangaroo-island-before-1836.html#:~:text=There%20were%20no%20Indigenous%20people%20living%20on%20Kangaroo,1802%2C%20although%20archaeological%20evidence%20attests%20to%20earlier%20occupation.

There’s no excuse for ignorance with these weather worriers in this day and age. Explain it or desist with your catastrophic global warming drivel and lunar prescriptions.

MarkW
Reply to  observa
July 1, 2020 7:44 am

They can argue all the want. But evidence would be better.

Mark BLR
July 1, 2020 2:58 am

The graph in the ATL article is titled :
“Annual mean surface temperature anomalies
At Amundsen–Scott South Pole Station, from 1957 to 2018

While the full Nature-CC article [ Edit : Note it was “Received – 20 November 2019” … ] is paywalled, the “Data availability” section includes a link to the underlying MET-Office / READER “raw” data, which can be used to confirm they used a “Reference Period” of 1981-2010 to calculate their anomalies.

The graph finishes at 2018, anomaly = +2.34°C (to 2 d.p.).

The READER data is now available to May 2020.

The annual anomaly for 2019 is +1.03°C.

NB : For comparison purposes, the GISS / GHCN V4 “Amundsen Scott, Unadjusted (Station-ID = AYW00090001” dataset has equivalent anomalies since 2010 of :
2010 : 0.80
2011 : 0.41
2012 : 0.01
2013 : 2.06
2014 : 0.60
2015 : 0.27
2016 : 0.68
2017 : 1.02
2018 : 2.30
2019 : 1.02

Peter Miller
Reply to  Mark BLR
July 1, 2020 4:05 am

Although not statistically significant, the average temperature forecast (rounded) for the next 15 days at the South Pole is 4 degrees C less than the July average of -55 degrees C. Likewise for the last 10 days of June, the average temperature was 3 degrees less than that month’s average of -53 degrees C.

Will the follow up figures, probably much less alarmist, ever be published for 2019 and 2020?

Danny Lemieux
July 1, 2020 4:28 am

How did sub-glacier and submarine volcanic activity fit into their model? Even though western Antarctica sits on a very active volcanic rift, I could find no mention of this in the article.

MarkW
Reply to  Danny Lemieux
July 1, 2020 7:45 am

This article is talking about the area around the south pole, not west Antarctica.

Jeff Id
July 1, 2020 5:22 am

Does anyone have a copy of the paper?

Jeff Id
July 1, 2020 5:36 am

This doesn’t look right.

Charles H
July 1, 2020 5:52 am

I thought that WV caused the majority of the warming – it has massive effects at the poles for obvious reasons and insignificant effect in the tropics. Or is this too simplistic?

beng135
Reply to  Charles H
July 2, 2020 8:12 am

That’s exactly what Joe Bastardi thinks. He’s back to only weekly, non-member videos:
http://www.weatherbell.com/premium

Jeff Id
July 1, 2020 6:16 am

I think we have some Mannian style end point filtering
https://noconsensus.wordpress.com/2020/07/01/they-really-want-it/

Walter Sobchak
July 1, 2020 7:21 am

” we performed a climate model experiment ”

And it is a good thin. No actual data was harmed by that “experiment”.

In other word they ran numbers on their computers and committed acts of self abuse while watching the video.

They better quit doing that or they will go blind.

Tom Abbott
July 1, 2020 7:36 am

From the article: “These climate model simulations reveal the remarkable nature of South Pole temperature variations. The observed South Pole temperature, with measurements dating back to 1957, shows 30-year temperature swings ranging from more than 1℃ of cooling during the 20th century to more than 1.8℃ of warming in the past 30 years.”

Well, according to the US surface temperature chart, 1934 was 0.5C warmer than 1957, so we need to add that amount to the 1C of cooling these folks found from 1957, to come to a total of about a 1.5C temperature drop.

So the temperatures drop 1.5C for a few decades, and then they warm up 1.8C for a few decades. It looks like natural variation to me. Of course, I don’t have any of those fancy computer models to play with, either.

Yes, I know the US isn’t Antarctica, but the Hansen 1999 US chart resembles regional surface temperature charts from all over the world, including in the Southern Hemisphere, in that they all show it was just as warm in the Early Twentieth Century as it is today, and I expect that is also the case with Antarctica.

Hansen 1999:

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Dodgy Geezer
July 1, 2020 8:25 am

“Claim: New research shows the South Pole is warming faster than the rest of the world”

Alternatively, the warming of the rest of the world has slowed down sharply….

Phil
July 1, 2020 10:36 am

Anybody that references Steig 2009, like these people do has serious cockroaches in their brain. I don’t believe all the data for Steig 2009 was ever released. Steig 2009 completely ignored changes in cloud fraction in their reconstruction, among other many problems. A lot of electrons were spent on Steig 2009, a paper that should have been retracted. Among other issues, replication is not possible when the authors conceal data.

TomRude
July 1, 2020 10:47 am

So in a context of stronger catabatic winds sending high pressure cold air masses deeper northward, renewed advection of warm air along the mountain range reaches the geographical pole… Big deal.

ResourceGuy
July 1, 2020 12:26 pm

Was there a change in the type and number of diesel generators used at the stations next to the instruments?

Marjorie Curtis
July 2, 2020 12:18 am

I have just trawled through all the responses as well as the article, and noticed that no-one has mentioned the line of sub-glacial volcanoes which separate east from west Antarctica. They affect ice and atmospheric temperatures above them (and remember that Mount Erebus, an active volcano, is one of them). I suggest that these volcanoes have more to do with the minor amounts of warming that everyone seems to be agitated about, than human’s minute addition to the atmospheric CO2.

Gwan
July 2, 2020 3:54 am

What else would we expect from Victoria Wellington University in New Zealand .
James Renwick is now a professor there after his alarmist time as head scientist at NIWA.
He has been pushing global warming for many years and is right up there with Mike Mann pushing DAGW.
The satellite records show no warming so they ignore them but when the satellites show rising sea levels they jump aboard and tell us we are all going to be flooded when tide gauges show little change .
At minus 55C we have nothing to worry about till the next ice age .
Graham

Tiger Bee Fly
July 2, 2020 10:05 am

The biggest problem confronting humanity is, of course, that this warming will release the frozen Elder Things and their Shoggoth servants. You can kiss it all goodbye if that happens. Bill Nye predicted it!

Sigh…

goldminor
July 2, 2020 3:40 pm

Here is a big something which they have missed. Look at the winds which are blowing across the middle of the continent. … https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/500hPa/orthographic=-313.87,-89.47,481/loc=135.435,-85.350

When those winds move back out across the ocean after crossing over land they are carrying very cold air to the north. There is a large cold bulge to the west of South America which stretches north to 23 degrees S. Take a look at 500 hPa at the cold later. When you drop to the surface you can see that the cold extends down to the ocean surface where a finger of cold ocean water emulates the shape of the cold layer at 500 hPa, … https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/isobaric/500hPa/overlay=temp/orthographic=-119.77,-63.40,481/loc=-113.838,-31.318

rah
July 3, 2020 5:11 am

And they wonder why no sane person who’s only agenda is to make it through their daily travails as they work to take care of their families and enjoy life takes them seriously anymore? Why we don’t buy into their ever cycling redux of doom? Why “climate change” remains at the bottom of the list of concerns for everyday people even in developed countries? Why we don’t trust our government nor the “scientists” they fund?

The lies just never end and the hype has made us immune. God help us if a real natural crisis that is an emerging threat to humanity comes to pass. With the credibility of government “scientists” and those in academia destroyed, they can scream from the rooftops forever and we will just think they’re crying wolf again and go on not taking their claims of doom seriously.

Climate change and now COVID has done much to expose the agenda to many who did not see it before. https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/07/02/explosive-about-all-these-new-positive-covid-cases-state-health-departments-manipulating-data-changing-definitions/

Tiger Bee Fly
Reply to  rah
July 3, 2020 7:03 am

Absolutely right, and worse, given how many people graduating in the sciences go straight into bogus “climate change research,” there might not be anyone remotely competent to deal with such a crisis.

tom0mason
July 4, 2020 5:41 am

As usual this kind of research appears to conflate the temperature changes on one part of the Antarctic continent to all of this massive continent.
Just think of the temperature changes that happens to any one small area of the USA over any arbitrary short time period, and the averaged temperature across the whole of the USA over the same time period. Does the small area change tell you much about all of the USA? No it doesn’t!
Now remember that the continent of Antarctica is so much larger than the USA …
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and that it is mostly high land rising to average of about 3,000 meters (~7,800 ft) above sea level (from sea level up to Vinson Massif, the highest peak in Antarctica at 4,892 m (16,050 ft)), so much of the temperature changes are NOT the same as temperature changes that happen at sea level.

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