Farmers Fear the European Green Deal

This article from AGWEB blasts the European Commission and their European Green Deal.

To put it bluntly:

The European Commission has a plan to eliminate modern farming in Europe.

The details emerged last month, as part of a “European Green Deal” announced late last year that calls for the continent to become “climate neutral” by 2050.

The commission speaks of “turning climate and environmental challenges into opportunities.” It also talks about “making the transition just and inclusive for all.”

It should have added three words: “except for farmers.”

That’s because the EU Commission just released its “Farm to Fork” strategy, which is the agricultural portion of the European Green Deal. It announces a series of unrealistic goals: In the next decade, farmers like me are supposed to slash our use of crop-protection products by half, cut our application of fertilizer by 20 percent, and transform a quarter of total farmland into organic production.

The article details the various policies and notes the actual problems they would create vs. the stated goals.

What the European Commission now proposes, essentially, is smaller harvests. For consumers, this will lead directly to one thing: Higher prices. Food will cost more.

There’s also a deeper problem. How are farmers supposed to make a living when we’re growing fewer crops and selling less food? The commission fails to consider one of the most likely results of its misbegotten approach to agriculture: When farmers can’t turn a profit, they’ll quit farming.

Farming will be outsourced to other regions.

It also raises the question of where our food will come from, if it doesn’t come from our own farms. We could always import more food from other places. Global trade already is an essential feature of food production. We should encourage more of it.

Yet the European Green Deal will lead to substandard farming in places with less productive farmland. This may help fill bellies in a Europe that has fewer farmers. It may even salve the consciences of activists and bureaucrats in Brussels. It certainly won’t help the climate.

The full article is found here.

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June 15, 2020 6:22 am

Why are Leftist plans always so terrible? Why?!

Reply to  Klem
June 15, 2020 6:40 am


Because they are left, and central control is more important that a functioning society.

Gerry, England
Reply to  HotScot
June 15, 2020 7:03 am

Also, if they were intelligent then they wouldn’t be lefties.

Reply to  Gerry, England
June 15, 2020 8:31 am

It also talks about “making the transition just and inclusive for all.”

Climate Justice: everyone gets screwed. Got to make sure it’s fair.

Stephen Richards
Reply to  Greg
June 15, 2020 10:36 am

Normally in europe it’s for “SOLIDARITY “

Reply to  Greg
June 16, 2020 12:39 pm

Not everyone gets screwed, those who run the asylum always make out like bandits.

Reply to  Gerry, England
June 15, 2020 1:48 pm

Gerry, England

But were it that simple.

Lot’s of intelligent lefties, the problem is they desire authority over others. Or rather, there is too many people who desire instruction.

The next time you hear someone saying “The government ought to do something about that”, give them a (metaphoric) slap as it’s yet another small surrender to the left.

Bill Murphy
Reply to  HotScot
June 15, 2020 11:03 pm

The government ought to do something about that

Or, as they used to say, “There should be a law against that”.
Anyway, last time I checked, there were,
Laws against inciting a riot
Laws against looting
Laws against arson
Laws against destruction of public property
Laws against destruction of private property
Laws against assault

The left seems to have selectively repealed those laws, or as Orwell put it, “Some animals are more equal than others.”

Reply to  Gerry, England
June 20, 2020 2:28 pm

Gerry, many Lefties are intelligent. They just have different priorities – specifically, absolute control. Productivity, efficiency, integrity – these values are way down the list, if on the list at all.

Russ Wood
Reply to  ex-KaliforniaKook
June 21, 2020 6:57 am

Well, when a ‘friend’ of South Africa’s president Zuma was appointed as head of the state airline SAA, she announced that her aim was to ‘transform’ the airline. Not to make it more efficient, more passenger friendly, or even more on-time. Just more ‘black’. When you get a short-sighted socialist in charge, reality goes down the drain – as did SAA (bankrupt).

Reply to  Klem
June 15, 2020 7:29 am

They like social unrest.

Reply to  Lasse
June 15, 2020 9:58 am

The left-right/totalitarian-anarchist nexus is leftist.

Reply to  Klem
June 15, 2020 7:48 am

The plan is to drive farmers out of business.
Then declare that since free enterprise has failed, yet another industry needs to be taken over by the government.

Reply to  MarkW
June 15, 2020 8:51 am

Good for Europe, they will learn the hard way. That will just make North America Ag products more valuable, and we then charge more to both Europe and China. That socializing of farming worked well in the Soviet Union, with their 5 year Gov’t plans. Especially Agriculture, which was a lot of what the Revolution was about, making the ‘collective’ farm wherein a lot of people starved as there was no incentive to produce and then they couldn’t enjoy the fruits of their labor. As the Russians were fond of saying for many years…”they pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work”.

Reply to  Earthling2
June 15, 2020 9:34 am

Don’t forget the influence of Lysenko who persuaded Stalin that his theory of acquired characteristics was going to revolutionise Soviet agriculture.
He got Vavrilov, his former tutor, and was a leading figures on plant genetics, arrested and convicted.
He died in prison, probably from starvation.
So perish all those who go against the current thinking.
Vavrilov was rehabilitated in 1955 and is regarded as one of the leading plant genetics ists.

Reply to  MarkW
June 15, 2020 11:45 am

The “economic” model is like Zimbabwe – a murderous absolute monarch like Robert Mugabe sitting atop a sh!thole of poverty and oppression. That is the TRUE Marxist model, stripped of all the fancy rhetoric.

The death tolls attributable to these “fearless leaders” of the left are approximately:
Adolf Hitler – WW2 on all sides: ~50 million killed
Josef Stalin – Russians in internal purges: ~50 million killed
Mao Tse Tung – Chinese in internal purges during the “Great Leap Backwards”: ~80 million killed
Pol Pot – Cambodians in internal purges: ~3 million killed

These numbers are from memory so may be imperfect – but I think Mao gets the record for sheer numbers of deaths, whereas Pol Pot gets the “percentage of total population” prize. Attaboys all around!
Fanatical ideologues are truly dangerous people – given enough power, they usually act the same way.

Justin Trudeau has openly approved of the effectiveness of one-party rule – and has admired Fidel since he was a pup.

Mao owned 25 Mercedes 600’s [the most expensive car built in the 1970’s and 1980’s] – so much for Socialism. Many other vicious leftist dictators have also owned them – including Pol-Pot, Tito, Kim Il Sung, Idi Amin, etc., etc.

Reply to  MarkW
June 15, 2020 5:09 pm

Every time governments take over food production millions of people have starved.

That’s one way to address the obesity problem.

Bill Murphy
Reply to  MarkW
June 15, 2020 11:06 pm

Yeah, Stalin did that. Ask anybody from the Ukraine how it worked out.

Curious George
Reply to  Klem
June 15, 2020 7:52 am

It is a tribute to Soviet Glorious Five Year Plans.

Reply to  Klem
June 15, 2020 8:20 am

It’s because leftists give far too much weight to vacuous emotional arguments, especially if they support a far left narrative.

CD in Wisconsin
Reply to  Klem
June 15, 2020 8:48 am

My theory is that it is because their emotions rule their brains, not their intellect. It becomes easy to make them believe narratives when fear is used as the tool to sell the narrative to them. Fear has always been a very good marketing tool, especially be authority figures like politicians and scientists.

But again, that is just my theory.

Doc Chuck
Reply to  CD in Wisconsin
June 15, 2020 10:34 am

OK, CD, that’s a start (let’s say the fearful flight part of the ‘fight or flight’ options) but it’s the fight part that holds some real promise of ascendant self-esteem that keeps one’s feelings from otherwise being ‘down in the dumps’. It is so bolstering to cast yourself as heroicly bringing about some ‘great leap forward’ toward a much celebrated utopia portrayed to make things so much better for all. It amounts to self-medication against an existential depression without the pills (though hardly free of collective collateral damage). Besides, there’s been too much eating going on around here!

Chris Hoff
Reply to  Klem
June 15, 2020 9:55 am

The Leftist interests have merged with the corporate interests, actually they were always the same. A financial bubble is being created around carbon offset futures. To keep the bubble growing and not popping, more fossil fuel industry needs to get shut down to drive carbon offset prices to perpetually newer highs. This destroys the real economy in the process and provokes a rebellion against the government at the same time. Corporate monopolists get what they want, Communists also get what they want.

Reply to  Klem
June 15, 2020 9:56 am


As per the above, it’s emotional issues.

They walk around all day long (all life long) with solutions … then they need to find (rationalize) a problem to associate with their solution.

If only, if only, they can apply their solution … they can then justify their being … they won’t be useless … in fact they will be superior ….

The Ruuskies have known about the true useful idiot psychology for a long time.

Bill Powers
Reply to  Klem
June 15, 2020 10:48 am

Klem, The wealth holding elite hire the central planners. Those that do the planning see overpopulation and limited resources as the roadblocks to long and bright futures for the privileged descendants.

In order to build that better future the elite need to convince the great unwashed to willingly take the poison pill being offered as salvation but in reality will remove them as roadblocks to the elites’ future plan, which will include abundant fossil fuel in a far less populated world.

If there is any humor to be found in this diabolical planning it is that the planners operate on the assumption that the elite will bring them along on their paved road to future happiness. Little do they realize that the elite intend to leave them waylaid on the roadside as poverty, misery and destitution rolls over them.

Reply to  Klem
June 15, 2020 12:48 pm

Because they want to destroy us.

The complete failure of our institutions thanks to infiltration by communists is not an unintended consequence of their actions. It’s the desired result.

Reply to  Klem
June 15, 2020 12:57 pm

Why? Simple: They have no idea how anything is produced, and just assume that it comes out of a box or a carton, and somehow magically appears on store shelves. They also think that electricity comes from a wall outlet, not from a power station. They really are that stupid.

When food has to be imported to feed even that small country, I hope that the farmers who are put out of business start laughing up their sleeves, and go on raising their own food like people used to do in them there Olden Times.

Reply to  Sara
June 15, 2020 5:19 pm

Quite right.

If it’s so easy to produce foodstuffs so cheaply, just do it….then you’ll get our attention…maybe even some willing followers.

And then you won’t need to go to all the trouble of starting civil wars and such to enslave all the world’s people in order to get your way.

Ulick Stafford
Reply to  Klem
June 15, 2020 1:57 pm

I wish it were leftist. In Europe all politicians left and right are believers in climate scam.
Here in Ireland the 2 supposedly right wing parties have agreed a government deal with the greens, who got 7% of vote, accepting all the stupidity – 7% pa cut in carbon, €100 carbon tax, no imported fracked gas.
And not one will examine data.

Alasdair Fairbairn
June 15, 2020 6:26 am

The endemic problem these days is that we have built up an army of politicians, activists and
bureaucrats that are insulated from the consequences of their policies.

Reply to  Alasdair Fairbairn
June 15, 2020 12:55 pm

+1000. Activists. Activists everywhere.
Without a doubt we need a terminally efficient repellent for those buzzy little bar-stewards.

June 15, 2020 6:29 am

Decisions made by ignorant policy makers who know nothing about the subject of their decisions. Color me unsurprised.

High Treason
June 15, 2020 6:30 am

The Nazis were born of the ultra green movement.

Van Doren
Reply to  High Treason
June 15, 2020 6:40 am

Nazis were socialists. Democrats, Fascists, Commies, Nazis, Greens – all the same Marxist breed.

Gary Pearse
June 15, 2020 6:35 am

Like defunding police forces, new left policies seem more and more purposefully designed to be unworkable. I think mass hysteria of the left is taking a toll psychologically.

They are virtually all white folk. Being taught in school for 18 of your first twenty-two years of life that you are a loathful, evil racist, privileged blight on this earth is tough for most to transcend. They spend the rest of their lives trying to work this indictment off and public service is the obvious path for this madness. It isn’t going to end well.

Old England
Reply to  Gary Pearse
June 15, 2020 7:43 am

Their policies are designed to disrupt and dislocate society to create tensions and fears that enable ever greater control.

But in their minds that’s OK and the human cost is irrelevant because they will be the ones in control.

Tom Abbott
Reply to  Gary Pearse
June 15, 2020 7:51 am

“I think mass hysteria of the left is taking a toll psychologically.”

The Left is completely divorced from reality, and seem to be getting even more delusional as time goes on. Most of it is fueled by the Dishonest Leftwing Media, telling lies for political gain.

June 15, 2020 6:39 am

This’ll be fun.

The UK will be out the EU on 1st January 2021, and it’s increasingly likely with No Deal i.e. for those not familiar with the fiasco that is Brexit; we will trade with the rest of the world, and Europe under the World Trade Organisation rules the rest of the world has been functioning on for many years, perfectly well.

The EU want’s to trap the UK into it’s restrictive and coercive trading standards that benefits few and adds layer upon layer of bureaucracy.

In this case, our farmers should be able to function independently of the wacko EU farming standards with red tape slashed. We’ll have a competitive advantage, for a change.

Leaving the EU without a deal will also enable us to have exclusive access to the rich fishing grounds of our international waters of the North Sea which, for the last 40 years, have been the domain of Factory fishing fleets from the continent. They have decimated the fishing industry around our shores, particularly the historic fishing areas of the NE of Scotland.

The Continentals will now have to make do with buying their fish from the UK for a change.

All in all, could I really give a sh!t about the EU? Not really (assuming we do leave with No Deal) as the Germans and French have treated Greece and Italy so badly, particularly over the last few months of the Coronavirus crisis, that I really can’t see it lasting for many more years in it’s present form.

Looking forward to trading with you again America!

Reply to  HotScot
June 15, 2020 6:55 am

I’m tempted to agree with you, but I fear I trust our politicians less on green issues than those in the EU. The future for UK agriculture is certainly not clear; the prospect that authorities will cede any control over farmers’ activities is a remote one.

From our green and pleasant land, we will, with the progressive relaxation of planning laws, doubtless cover more of our countryside with high-cost housing and distribution warehouses – where the priority should be providing more social housing in cities, where it is needed, and cheap energy together with less regulation to enable factories to be built – thus re-creating some of the valuable supply chains we have lost in the UK.

Gerry, England
Reply to  HotScot
June 15, 2020 7:07 am

I am sorry Hotscot, have you been living in a cave? The UK left the EU at 11PM Greenwich Mean Time on 31st January in the year of Our Lord 2020.

Steve Richards
Reply to  Gerry, England
June 15, 2020 7:56 am

But we are still in the transition period until new years eve…

Just saw an interview with the EU budget commissioner, who was really worried about how they were going to make up the loss of funding from the UK.

Extra taxes etc were suggested…

Gerry, England
Reply to  Steve Richards
June 16, 2020 1:03 am

That doesn’t affect my correct statement that the UK is no longer a member of the EU.

But then when the morons in the media think we are still members then you find the shocking result of a poll is that only a third of the people believe we have left. Hotscot is obviously one of the two-thirds who must have missed the tears on the BBC, the solemn music on the night that we left. Mind you, can’t blame him for not wanting to want the socialist TV channel.

Peter Charles
Reply to  HotScot
June 15, 2020 8:31 am

I would agree more with your comment HotScot if it weren’t for the fact that Theresa May signed us up to the same carbon neutral 2050 target as the EU espouses while she was PM. Johnson and Labour and LibDems have all enthusiastically endorsed this policy. So we can expect exactly the same termination of farming here in the UK, plus forcing people into smaller and more occupancy dense housing, minimal car ownership, restricted foreign travel and a severe cut in disposable income and living standards among the other things that go with it.

Ben Vorlich
Reply to  Peter Charles
June 15, 2020 1:29 pm

The Climate Change Act, a purely UK act of self destruction. The UK government has cut out the middleman (the EU) and is taking orders from the UN directly. I see no hope in the short term. Perhaps if there’s a cold winter with power shortages that kills more than Chinese Flu, then things might change however a lot of the weak and vulnerable have been removed fro tye at risk group.

So I don’t see much hope.

Reply to  Peter Charles
June 15, 2020 11:41 pm

And don’t forget if we want to sell anything to the EU, we will still need to comply with their regulations, which could include “renewable” sources of materials.

June 15, 2020 6:43 am

When polititians screw around with your energy supplies thats one thing. …just costlier energy. When they make proposals like this and start screwing with your food supplies…that will cause a revolution

old white guy
June 15, 2020 6:44 am

Starvation coming to city or town near you.

Reply to  old white guy
June 15, 2020 7:40 am

Think of it as the “Venezuela Diet”

Reply to  old white guy
June 15, 2020 8:57 am

Starvation just like Paul Ehrlich said in his controversial 1968 book The Population Bomb, in which he famously stated that ‘[i]n the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now.'” Possibly right about the effect, but not about the cause or the dates.

Jim Gorman
June 15, 2020 6:48 am

This is an excellent example of why communist regimes always fail. Central planners are never experts in all things, although many bureaucrats will tell you they know enough.

From seed or birth to plate there are many, many steps. Too many for a central planner to take into account or to react to in a timely manner. The result will be not only expensive but a failure. I can guarantee that because of history.

I don’t care how intelligent these bureaucrats are or how much BIG data they use, those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Rainer Bensch
Reply to  Jim Gorman
June 16, 2020 2:55 am

The planners make no failures. Never. /s

June 15, 2020 6:55 am

Does this story register with UK farmers and voters? Does it register with new and applying EU members states?

Don Thompson
June 15, 2020 6:55 am

Organic farming is known to be less productive and less safe than modern farming methods. The fertilizers and other chemicals, GMOs to add nutrients and to reduce damage from pests (cue nervous sweats from the New Agers), crop rotation, and use of GPS to optimize location of plots, monitoring of soil moisture and soil conditions are all techniques that reduce land use and increase productivity. These are all positives for the environment and human healt

Delivering new power supplies and exporting modern farming technologies to other parts of the world is one of the most effective approaches to modernization and feeding the people in the poor third world. Only zealots would oppose.

Bruce Cobb
June 15, 2020 7:05 am

“How are farmers supposed to make a living when we’re growing fewer crops and selling less food?”
Easy peasy. Just double your prices, and if that doesn’t do it, triple them. And if the peasants, I mean poor people can’t afford to buy food, let them eat cake!

Reply to  Bruce Cobb
June 15, 2020 9:27 am

As I remember the let them eat cake comment got more than a few heads of state beheaded…:)

michael hart
Reply to  jamie
June 16, 2020 4:31 am

And note the country. It’s along-standing axiom that politicians mess with French farmers at their peril.

June 15, 2020 7:10 am

Special food deliveries will be conducted at night for the EC VIPs, their modelers, and special friends.

Moderately Cross of East Anglia
Reply to  ResourceGuy
June 15, 2020 9:57 am

ResourceGuy you are more right than many people will be aware. In the dark days of eastern Europe’s enslavement to the Soviet Union the members of the communist party had private shops in which food and goods not available to the general population were a feature of the system. Collective farms, which the green twerps of today would approve, were also a notably successful feature of the landscape.
I wonder why the ungrateful deplorable masses rejected all this. Let’s think…

Krishna Gans
Reply to  Moderately Cross of East Anglia
June 15, 2020 10:04 am

The old GDR had the same system.

Gerry, England
June 15, 2020 7:12 am

In the full article Herr Holtkoetter says that the EU has ‘reliable infrastructure, and advanced economies’ but of course they plan to do away with those things by have unreliable expensive power generation and in keeping with an economy that uses a power source that was dropped by our ancestor, a retarding economy as manufacturing leaves for cheaper climes.

Alan Webb
June 15, 2020 7:33 am

The European Commission has a plan to eliminate modern farming in Europe.
Shouldn’t that read:
The European Commission has a plan to starve millions in Europe.

Gerry, England
Reply to  Alan Webb
June 16, 2020 1:06 am

No. The European Commission is not Europe. The EU covers 27 states in Europe. It actually might be an incentive to the other nations to produce more food and sell it at the inflated prices that will exist in the EU.

June 15, 2020 7:38 am

Let Brussels starve

Reply to  Neo
June 15, 2020 7:47 am

Let them eat sprouts

June 15, 2020 7:40 am

When you reduce the efficiency of something, be it farming or energy production; you just end up using more land; the complete opposite of what is required to prevent supposed climate change and the extinction crisis. How can the greens really be this stupid? (Rhetorical!)

June 15, 2020 7:45 am

Having farmers quit is the plan.
The socialist way has always been to bankrupt the private sector so that the government can take over.

June 15, 2020 7:54 am

“For consumers, this will lead directly to one thing: Higher prices”

Or imports

June 15, 2020 7:55 am

You guys are too negative. Michael Bloomberg already explained quite clearly that farming isn’t that difficult. Just poke a hole in the ground, throw few seeds in, cover it with dirt, and then water. What’s the big deal? And the agricultural minister of Chaz, the newest country on the planet, has been showing off the massive productivity of their community garden all last week.

You just need to think pure thoughts and believe!

Tom Abbott
June 15, 2020 7:58 am

Bureaucrats sticking their noses in farmers business. What could go wrong?

June 15, 2020 8:02 am

Everyone can eat what they grow. People can plant gardens in the road ditches. Yeah, that will work.
Zimbabwe has been a great success.

Donald Boughton
Reply to  Billy
June 16, 2020 2:57 am

It has been estimated that subsistence farming can support a population of 23 millions in the UK. The current population is about 66 millions. Who is going to starve, the elderly, racial minorities, those who do not support the political party of the government, who else ? Can one see the millennials putting in the hours of labor required to produce a sufficient food supply. I can see them wasting their time growing plants that will make them high and then dying of starvation in the winter.

June 15, 2020 8:07 am

Doesn’t the farm animals you use to plow the fields in place of a tractor also generate GHGs?

June 15, 2020 8:08 am

All this self flagellation with the idea but not the evidence that humans can control atmospheric composition.

old construction worker
June 15, 2020 8:48 am

New World Order?

June 15, 2020 8:55 am

Don’t worry. If food prices rise, the government will just doll out subsidies to control costs. Because subsidies are funded by trees that grow money.

Krishna Gans
Reply to  leowaj
June 15, 2020 9:50 am

The “money growing trees” are the taxpyers, as usual 😀

Joel O'Bryan
June 15, 2020 9:55 am

Simply more demonstration that Climate Change policies have nothing to do with climate and everything to do with impoverishing the affluent middle class of Western democracies into serfdom. Climate and Green policies from the EU and UN elitists continue the march towards Orwell’s dystopian future a reality in our lifetimes.

June 15, 2020 9:55 am

Quite a few years ago, at a biodiesel/green farming conference in Montreal I heard a speaker talk about sustainable farming.

Big crowd anxious to hear all about it.

The speaker starts with:

The first rule of sustainable farming is:

Audience waiting with anticipation….

“need to make enough money this year so I can afford to farm next year”.

June 15, 2020 9:58 am

Imagine if farming performed the same way as the wind farms this past week, with production varying from
as little as 0.14 GW on five days and 10 GW on two days.
Imaging wheat yields varying from 10 tonnes per hectare down to 0.14 globes per hectare.
Talk about the biblical seven fat years and seven lean years.
Farming involves a lot of continuous decision making which is not possible under bureaucratic control.
For a start the effect of weather can result in plus or minus 15% of yield depending on rainfall, sunshine temperature and disease.
Much of modern agriculture has been an attempt to reduce the variabilty
Given the present track record of weather and climate forecasting I can’t see them being much help in planning agricultural production.

June 15, 2020 11:46 am

This may be a chance for the UK to capture a large part of the market for their agricultural products since they no longer are part of the EU and don’t have to cripple their economy because Brussels says they have to. I’m sure the US, Canada, and Mexico will be more than willing to sell the EU more food.

June 15, 2020 12:14 pm

Composting humans will help meet the production quotas. Edward G. Robinson saw this coming long ago.

Norm Milliard
June 15, 2020 12:21 pm

And where is Ayn Rand?

I’m 78 and got my first CCW permit this weekend.

Norm Milliard
June 15, 2020 12:33 pm

All of these green ideas would die a quick death if the proposers or their political support had to successfully perform the propose task without financial subsidy. Solar panel and windmill blight would disappear.

If you have such a great idea see if you can do it successfully.

Ian Wilson
June 15, 2020 2:04 pm

Re Allan Macrae
Lenin owned a Rolls-Royce (I believe it still exists)’
I have seen it suggested that the person responsible for more deaths in history than anyone else is Rachel Carson whose campaign against DDT caused such an upsurge in malaria. I’ve no idea if that’s really correct but it’s food for thought.
If greens really want to cut down fertilizer use, why not add more CO2 to the atmosphere? The modest rise in the gas in recent years is estimated to have raised world food output by around 14 %

Reply to  Ian Wilson
June 15, 2020 11:06 pm

By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc., M.Eng., April 14, 2019

Andy H
June 15, 2020 2:17 pm

Need to change the name of the strategy to “Farm to Forked”

I’m sure it will be another Great Leap Forward for EU farmers.

Reid McLaughlin
June 15, 2020 2:53 pm

Obviously, the EU commissioners don’t have knowledge of China’s Great Leap Forward. Chairman Mao was a city boy and he thought he know all about farming and ended up with millions of dead Chinese.

Reply to  Reid McLaughlin
June 15, 2020 8:38 pm

Mao wasn’t all that great at steel making either, which was as successful as his farming skills. Or kill all the sparrows one year, and then pests eat what crops that do manage to grow. Come to think of it, I can’t think of one credible benefit that Mao brought to China. It’s amazing the Chinese still revere him as much as they do. I suppose in a few years when Chairman Xi is stabbed in the back by his own countrymen and Red China is no more, they will be tearing down the statues and murals of Mao. That would be richly deserved.

Ulick Stafford
June 15, 2020 2:56 pm

I wish it were leftist. In Europe all politicians left and right are believers in climate scam.
Here in Ireland the 2 supposedly right wing parties have agreed a government deal with the greens, who got 7% of vote, accepting all the stupidity – 7% pa cut in carbon, €100 carbon tax, no imported fracked gas.
And not one will examine data.

June 15, 2020 3:31 pm

Green New Deals always spell trouble and pain for those that they touch. In this case it will be those people in the EU still addicted to eating. Nevertheless Australia is standing by ready to fill the bowls of those Starving Europeans, after the implementation of this lunatic EU Plan.

June 15, 2020 4:34 pm

It is right that European farmers contribute to this vision.
They voted. Have chosen.
They know that a political decision is wrong, but they don’t react.
It is time for them to learn to make sacrifices and not complain.

John Culhane
Reply to  Al
June 15, 2020 11:26 pm

The European farmers do not vote Green, the larger urban middle class does and they impose their ideology on the rural populations. It is the farmers (Netherlands, Germany) and rural poor (France) who have most vocally resisted the Green agenda to date.

Joe B
June 15, 2020 9:24 pm

If these megalomaniacal psychopaths get their way, we may be down to a global population of 500 million yet.

(Referencing the Georgia Guidestones, for the unaware).

Climate believer
June 15, 2020 11:11 pm

A bad idea from our great leaders in Brussels (Germans)? surely not.

I doubt this will be implemented anytime soon. The largest agricultural sector in Europe is here in France, and at the moment we’re “dans la merde”.

…….not that that’s stopped them before.

June 15, 2020 11:23 pm

“It also raises the question of where our food will come from, if it doesn’t come from our own farms. We could always import more food from other places. Global trade already is an essential feature of food production. We should encourage more of it.

Yet the European Green Deal will lead to substandard farming in places with less productive farmland. This may help fill bellies in a Europe that has fewer farmers. It may even salve the consciences of activists and bureaucrats in Brussels. It certainly won’t help the climate.”


Hmmm, as people go hungry because food is more expensive (and less nutritious after being shipped long distances) the bureaucrats and elites will feel so good about their virtue, it must be worth it, right?
I suppose it’s just a coincidence that this should greatly benefit China and Russia who will, no doubt, be among the chosen nations for providing food to Europe?
This makes no sense and whenever something makes no sense, I always think of this quote from Sowell.

“The simplest and most psychologically satisfying explanation of any observed phenomenon is that it happened that way because someone wanted it to happen that way.”
Thomas Sowell

Thomas Sowell

Peter Taylor
June 16, 2020 5:53 am

When did this site morph from an intellgient source of scientific information on climate change and criticism of IPCC models, to a hotch-potchof of ranters – pro-Trump, pro-nuclear, pro GMO and big agribusiness, pro-fossil fuels and not a brain cell of scepticism regarding the direction of modern civilisation with major denial on soil loss, pollution issues, public health, inequality, water scarcity, forest loss and high population growth in poor countries? What a pity.
I eat almost 100% organic living on at the lowest economic level – basic state pension plus earnings as a writer come to £200/week (average weekly wage £500 per week in the UK) – cereals, fruit, chicken, eggs, milk, nuts, bread and vegetables….and spend about 25% more than I would if non-organic; but then I don’t smoke, drink wine maybe once a month, my clothes (mostly also natural fibres) last a long time and my car is twenty years old – and I do this because I am a biologist by profession (retired): when I visit organic farms or sustainable forest reserves, I see clouds of butterflies, buzzing insects, rich diversity of birdlife and masses of wild flowers; and these fill my soul. I buy organic not just to protect myself from glyphosphare residue (the whole of US cereal production is contaminated and foodchains all the way to the Dorritos), but to protect and posper the things I value.
Please WUWT – get back to your roots.

Climate believer
Reply to  Peter Taylor
June 16, 2020 8:22 am

I think people are feeling a bit antsy at the moment with everything. There is a lot of frustration on all sides of the bench.

I’ve only just started posting here but I’ve been a long time reader, I don’t recall the tree hugging era at WUWT but it could have passed me by.

Ian Wilson
June 16, 2020 11:07 am

Re Allan Macrae
That’s an incredible paper “Radical Greens are the Great Killers of our age”. If only our politicians would read it, but they won’t as minds are made up.

Reply to  Ian Wilson
June 24, 2020 7:36 pm

Thank you Ian.

You are correct about Rachel – killer of tens of millions of children, a fountain of falsehoods about DDT.

I correctly called this called this global warming/climate change/green energy fraud in 2002. What’s the problem? Any false BS – climate or other! What’s the solution? Totalitarianism! Quelle surprise!

Now that the Marxist-Democrats and their Antifa Greenshirt thugs have come out of the closet, only the most obtuse cannot see their game plan. Whatever the question, their answer is totalitarianism!

The leaders of the climate scam always knew they are lying – nobody could be this stupid for this long.

When I started writing my current series of papers in 2019, almost nobody believed that the political situation could be as extreme as I then stated. Our core debate was still a scientific argument about the magnitude of climate sensitivity, and the skeptics kept repeating – correctly – that the alarmists’ estimates of climate sensitivity were far too high, and there was no real global warming crisis.

The reality is that the extremists’ argument was never really about the climate – their climate argument was always a false narrative, a smokescreen for their true objective – their use of the false climate scare was always political, not scientific, and was intended to achieve totalitarian control.

When I stated as early as 2012 – correctly – that the alarmists had a covert agenda and that nobody, not even the alarmists, could be this stupid for this long, my statement was initially rejected as extreme, even by many climate skeptics. However, the alarmists have recently proved me correct.

Since ~late-2019, the climate extremists have engaged in a bidding war to see who could propose the most costly and ineffective “energy” programs to destroy the economies of the Western democracies. For a while, the winner was “carbon-free by 2050”, as adopted by the leftists in the USA, Canada, Britain and elsewhere.

Recently, the Democrats in the USA have doubled-down, advocating even more extreme measures, to destroy their energy systems even sooner.

When I first started studying this subject in ~1985, I knew the alarmists’ argument was false. Like many scientists, I assumed the alarmists were simply technically wrong. It is now obvious that they knew from the beginning that their entire narrative was technically false. Still, with huge financing from largely unknown sources they have managed to deceive the public – wolves stampeding the sheep on the way to slaughter.

By now, even the most stupid of the global warming/climate change acolytes should realize something is amiss. Maybe, maybe not.

As Einstein said, “Nothing is infinite except the universe and humans stupidity, and I‘m not sure about the universe.”

Note written 13June2020:

Since I wrote the above on 23Feb2020, Michel Moore has released his new film slamming worthless green energy schemes. Surprise! We’ve known wind and solar energy were costly nonsense since forever, and published that conclusion in 2002. Since then, trillions of dollars have been squandered on destructive green energy schemes that are too intermittent and too diffuse to be practical or economic.

June 24, 2020 11:11 pm

Notice how the global warming cabal have linked the climate crisis AND the Covid-19 flu? How child prodigies like Greta and academics in non-technical fields have spouted drivel like “to tackle Covid-19 we also have to tackle climate change”? Remember this point!

We’ve demonstrated many times that alleged dangerous human-made global warming/climate change is not only false, it is fraudulent!
By Allan M.R. MacRae, B.A.Sc.(Eng.), M.Eng., January 10, 2020

There is a similar high probability that the Covid-19 full-Gulag Lockdown is also a scam. We have experienced many flu epidemics that were more dangerous than Covis-19, with NO lockdowns. Why this flu? Why now? Read my post below for details on Covid-19.

Also, why are Antifa and BLM suddenly exploding onto the scene, trashing downtowns and terrorizing people, allegedly based on the police killing of career criminal George Floyd, who violently abused women? Much better people than Floyd die every day, and nobody cares.

All these scams are related, concocted by the Marxist Dems, and have nothing to do with the climate, the mild Covid-19 flu or USA police violence. These are Democrat planned political events by paid demonstrators, intended to derail the investigations into the attempted coup-d’état of Trump via the Russia scam and the false FBI charges against Lt.-Gen. Flynn, and to steal the election so the treasonous acts of the Obama regime remain hidden.

It’s all a smokescreen to hide the criminal activity of the Dems – Try to focus on the big picture good people – It’s not all that complicated.


IMPORTANT: Everyone should watch this video AND re-post it.

The full-Gulag lockdown was completely unnecessary and that was obvious by early-mid-March. I wrote then:
[excerpt- posted 21Mar2020]

Isolate people over sixty-five and those with poor immune systems and return to business-as-usual for people under sixty-five.
This will allow “herd immunity” to develop much sooner and older people will thus be more protected AND THE ECONOMY WON’T CRASH.
[excerpt- posted 22Mar2020]

This full-lockdown scenario is especially hurting service sector businesses and their minimum-wage employees – young people are telling me they are “financially under the bus”. The young are being destroyed to protect us over-65’s. A far better solution is to get them back to work and let us oldies keep our distance, and get “herd immunity” established ASAP – in months not years. Then we will all be safe again.

Why did New York have so many deaths from Covid-19? Because New York Governor Cuomo ordered state nursing homes to take in 4,500 patients with Covid-19, the Associated Press reported. These patients infected other nursing home residents, resulting in many more deaths. Cuomo issued the order to nursing homes and other assisted living centers on March 25, 2020 according to AP. He did not reverse that policy until May 11.

Now Democratic Governors are delaying the lifting of the lockdown, to further harm the economy in hopes of defeating Trump in November.

The violent riots over the unfortunate death of career criminal George Floyd were the next act in this saga. Floyd was not a great role model – he had a long criminal record, which included holding a pregnant woman hostage by pointing a shotgun at her belly, but he was all they had – so a false narrative was constructed of what a great guy he was and how all blacks were faced with such horrific police brutality.

Unfortunately, the data did not support that false narrative – in 2019, 1004 individuals were shot and killed by USA police, but only 56 of them were unarmed, and only 15 of those were black (A whole 1.5%!).

It will soon become clear that Antifa are the paid and programmed violent shock troops of the Marxist Democratic Party, and this entire charade was choreographed by the Dems to try to steal the Fall 2020 election.

John I Reistroffer
June 16, 2020 4:42 pm


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