Cloud Feedback, if there is any, is Negative

Guest post by Mike Jonas,

Maybe, after all the attention being paid to the Wuhan virus, it’s time to do a bit of climate science again.

I have submitted a paper to a peer-reviewed journal, and, remarkably, the journal says it is happy for me to put it up on the web while it is in review, so here it is. But it hasn’t been easy getting to this point: I think that what I describe in the paper is of great significance to climate science, as you can tell from some of the wording in the paper, so I was keen to get it published in a peer-reviewed journal – the IPCC are supposed to work only from peer-reviewed papers. The first journal I submitted it to (in November 2019) took two months to tell me that the paper was outside the scope of the journal – a curious claim, I thought, since one of the relevant papers that I was citing had been published in that journal. The second journal took four months to tell me that it hadn’t yet been seen by a reviewer and it needed a different format for references, plus a few other minor format changes. So I withdrew the paper. I have made modest improvements to the paper over that period, but I doubt they will make much difference to reviews.  Anyway, here’s hoping for third time lucky!

Here is the paper (and after the paper I’ve made some comments about how it relates to Richard Lindzen’s “Iris” theory):

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Cloud Feedback, if there is any, is Negative

Author: M Jonas

Affiliations: None

ABSTRACT

Virtually all the climate models referenced by the IPCC show a strong positive cloud feedback. Cloud feedback is the process by which a changing surface temperature affects cloud cover, which in turn affects surface temperature. In this paper, all monthly satellite data for sea surface temperatures and cloud cover over the oceans, for the whole available period of July 1986 to June 2017, is analysed, in order to test this feature of the climate models. As expected, the trends for the overall period are of rising sea surface temperatures and of falling cloud cover. But the analysis also shows an unexpected relationship between sea surface temperature and cloud cover: increases in sea surface temperature are associated with increases – not decreases – in cloud cover over the next few months. Moreover, the cloud cover increases tend to intercept a greater proportion of incoming solar radiation than they do of outgoing ocean radiation. The inevitable conclusion is that cloud feedback is negative. In any case, the observed reduction in cloud cover over the oceans between 1986 and 2017 could not have been a feedback from rising temperature. The implications for climate models are devastating.

KEYWORDS: Climate, Clouds, Cloud Feedback, SST, Sea Surface Temperature, Ocean

ABBREVIATIONS

dCloud – year-on-year change in cloud cover, dSST – year-on-year change in SST, GISS – (NASA) Goddard Institute for Space Studies, IPCC – Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, ISCCP – International Satellite Cloud Climatology Project, NASA – (US) National Aeronautics and Space Administration, NOAA – (US) National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, SST – Sea Surface Temperature.

1. INTRODUCTION

The ocean covers 70% of the global surface and stores more heat in the uppermost 3 metres than the entire atmosphere, so the key to understanding global climate change is inextricably linked to the ocean [7].

Spencer and Braswell [13], using satellite data and models, reported that atmospheric feedback diagnosis of the climate system remains an unsolved problem. They state: “The magnitude of the surface temperature response of the climate system to an imposed radiative energy imbalance remains just as uncertain today as it was decades ago“.  By using satellite data only, over a longer period, this study resolves one of the major feedback issues, namely the sign of cloud feedback. The study uses empirical data only. In particular, it uses all of the period with data, it uses the whole global ocean area, and it does not use any models.

The IPCC [5] defines Climate Feedback as an interaction between processes when “the result of an initial process triggers changes in a second process that in turn influences the initial one“, and states that a way to quantify it is as “the response of the climate system to a global surface temperature change“.  Cloud feedback is thus the process by which a changing surface temperature affects cloud cover, which in turn affects surface temperature. Note that cloud feedback does not depend on the original cause of the changing surface temperature.

Feedback response to temperature has been difficult to separate from other effects on temperature as the initial process is “nearly simultaneous with the temperature change“, but for the second process “there is a substantial time lag between forcing and the temperature response due to the heat capacity of the ocean” [13].

This study’s aim is to see if the effect of sea surface temperature (SST) on cloud cover can be detected. It does this by comparing changes in SST with later changes in cloud cover.

2. METHOD

Gridded monthly SST data (deg C) was downloaded from NOAA/OAR/ESRL PSD, Boulder, Colorado, USA, in the USA National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) [10]. Each grid cell is 1 degree latitude by 1 degree longitude.

Equal-area monthly cloud data (cloud cover % and IR optical depth) was downloaded from the International Satellite Cloud Climatology Project (ISCCP) in the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), New York, NY [11]. Only data over the ocean was used. ie,  land and coastal data was not used.

Data from the two datasets was used only for the months and areas for which there was both cloud data and complete SST data. SST data was missing in locations and months where there was some sea ice.

For each month, SST and cloud cover were averaged over the total ocean area. For SST, individual temperature readings were converted into Kelvin and raised to the 4th power before averaging, then converted back to degrees C. This ensured that the calculated average SSTs related correctly to outward radiation from the sea surface.

For each month after the first year, the global year-on-year change in SST was calculated (referred to here as “dSST”). These were then averaged over various numbers of months, and each average was recorded against the end month of the period being averaged.  The global year-on-year change in cloud cover (“dCloud”) was averaged for the same number of months but for later periods that did not overlap the period used for dSST. For comparison purposes, dCloud was recorded for the same month as the related dSST, for each combination of number of months averaged and number of months later. The linear trend of dCloud against dSST was then calculated for each combination using the standard spreadsheet Trend function (NB. the trend was of dCloud against dSST, not against time).

3. RATIONALE

As stated by Spencer and Braswell [13],  feedback response to temperature is “nearly simultaneous with the temperature change“. A change in SST should therefore result in a change in cloud cover (ie, cloud feedback) very soon after. There is therefore a possibility that cloud feedback can be detected in the monthly data. The relevant comparison to make is between SST change and cloud cover change in the following month or months.

This study uses year-on-year changes, and treats all calendar months equally, in order to avoid any possibility of seasonal effects. It avoids using overlapping periods for dSST and dCloud, in order to minimise any possibility of clouds’ influence on SST affecting results. And because a rapid effect is being looked for, it limits each overall period being looked at (from first dSST month to last dCloud month) to no more than 12 months.

The effect of cloud cover change is unlikely to show up in SST data within a month or within a few months [13], so comparing data the other way round – cloud cover change against SST change in the following month or months – is unlikely to be effective. However, clouds are known have a cooling effect on climate, see for example Pokrovsky [8] which calculates a (global) 0.07C warming effect for each 1% decrease in cloud cover.

4. RESULTS

4.1 Cloud Cover

In all cases with dCloud up to 9 months later than dSST, the linear trend of dCloud against dSST was positive, and this was a strong and consistent pattern. In other words, the months with higher dSST tended to be followed by months with higher dCloud, and lower dSST tended to be followed by lower dCloud.

The linear trends of dCloud against dSST are shown in Figure 1, and are shown graphically in Figure 2.

Linear trends of global average dCloud vs dSST – unweighted (ie, by equal area) +/- 2*Sigma

Months later:1 mth2 mths3 mths4 mths5 mths6 mths7 mths8 mths9 mths10 mths11 mths
Months averaged           
1 mth1.21 +/- 0.681.46 +/- 0.671.74 +/- 0.671.34 +/- 0.681.23 +/- 0.681.25 +/- 0.680.91 +/- 0.690.95 +/- 0.690.91 +/- 0.700.63 +/- 0.700.07 +/- 0.71
2 mths 1.62 +/- 0.581.72 +/- 0.581.56 +/- 0.591.41 +/- 0.591.31 +/- 0.591.14 +/- 0.601.05 +/- 0.600.96 +/- 0.610.63 +/- 0.61 
3 mths  1.74 +/- 0.551.67 +/- 0.551.55 +/- 0.561.41 +/- 0.561.27 +/- 0.561.15 +/- 0.570.93 +/- 0.58  
4 mths   1.73 +/- 0.531.65 +/- 0.531.53 +/- 0.541.36 +/- 0.541.18 +/- 0.55   
5 mths    1.72 +/- 0.521.61 +/- 0.531.43 +/- 0.53    
6 mths     1.65 +/- 0.52     

Figure 1. Linear trends of global average dCloud against dSST, with 95% confidence levels. Each is averaged over the number of months given under “Months averaged”. The dCloud values are for the given number of months later.


Figure 2. As Figure 1, graphically. The outer range of the 95% confidence levels is shown.

Note that the trends can be expected to drop off as ‘Months Later’ increases, because of influence from the intervening months.

The trends are clearly visible in charts of dCloud vs dSST, and reflect the body of data not just some outliers. Some examples are shown in Figures 3, 4, 5.


Figure 3. dSST for one month, vs dCloud the following month.

Figure 4. dSST averaged over 3 months, vs dCloud averaged over the following 3 months.


Figure 5. dSST averaged over 6 months, vs dCloud averaged over the following 6 months.

The charts in Figures 3, 4, 5 are all to the same scale.

4.2 Cloud Opacity

Cloud with greater optical depth intercepts more radiation – both incoming solar radiation and outgoing ocean radiation. The above analysis was re-calculated with clouds weighted by opacity (opaqueness). Opacity, as used in this study, is derived from optical depth as follows:

Optical Depth d is given by

d = ln(Fr/Ft)

where

d is optical depth,

Fr is flux received,

Ft = flux transmitted.

The proportion q of radiation intercepted by cloud –

q = (FrFt)/Fr

– is referred to here as “opacity”. q can be derived from the formula for d as

q = 1 – e^(-d)

Opacity q can legitimately be arithmetically averaged across sets of clouds.

When cloud data is weighted by opacity, the table of dCloud against dSST becomes:

Linear trends of global average dCloud vs dSST – weighted by cloud opacity +/- 2*Sigma

Months later:1 mth2 mths3 mths4 mths5 mths6 mths7 mths8 mths9 mths10 mths11 mths
Months averaged           
1 mth1.44 +/- 0.641.51 +/- 0.631.85 +/- 0.631.45 +/- 0.641.26 +/- 0.641.29 +/- 0.640.86 +/- 0.650.90 +/- 0.650.88 +/- 0.660.63 +/- 0.66-0.02 +/- 0.67
2 mths 1.75 +/- 0.531.84 +/- 0.531.66 +/- 0.541.47 +/- 0.541.32 +/- 0.551.11 +/- 0.551.00 +/- 0.560.93 +/- 0.560.60 +/- 0.57 
3 mths  1.87 +/- 0.491.77 +/- 0.501.61 +/- 0.501.43 +/- 0.511.25 +/- 0.511.11 +/- 0.520.89 +/- 0.52  
4 mths   1.83 +/- 0.471.70 +/- 0.481.55 +/- 0.481.35 +/- 0.491.15 +/- 0.50   
5 mths    1.78 +/- 0.461.64 +/- 0.461.42 +/- 0.47    
6 mths     1.68 +/- 0.46     

Figure 6. Linear trends of global average dCloud against dSST, with 95% confidence levels, as in Figure 1 but with cloud cover weighted by opacity.

As can be seen from Figures 1 and 6, the increased cloud cover associated with increased SST tends also to have greater opacity for several months. There is therefore not just an increased area of cloud, there is also an increased amount of cloud (as judged by its ability to intercept radiation).

4.3 Effect on incoming and outgoing radiation

In order to determine the relative effect of the cloud changes on incoming and outgoing radiation, the analysis was re-calculated with clouds weighted (a) by opacity multiplied by incoming solar radiation (monthly solar radiation data from [2]), and (b) by opacity multiplied by outgoing ocean radiation (from SST). Note that a difference between (a) and (b) would come primarily from the different distributions of incoming solar radiation and outgoing ocean radiation by latitude, not from variations in solar output.

The table of dCloud against dSST then becomes as shown in Figures 7 and 8.

Linear trends of global average dCloud vs dSST – weighted by cloud opacity and solar radiation +/- 2*Sigma

Months later:1 mth2 mths3 mths4 mths5 mths6 mths7 mths8 mths9 mths10 mths11 mths
Months averaged           
1 mth1.60 +/- 0.731.79 +/- 0.722.25 +/- 0.711.91 +/- 0.721.68 +/- 0.731.76 +/- 0.731.16 +/- 0.741.22 +/- 0.741.22 +/- 0.750.99 +/- 0.750.16 +/- 0.76
2 mths 2.07 +/- 0.602.27 +/- 0.592.15 +/- 0.601.97 +/- 0.611.79 +/- 0.611.51 +/- 0.621.37 +/- 0.631.31 +/- 0.630.95 +/- 0.64 
3 mths  2.31 +/- 0.552.28 +/- 0.552.13 +/- 0.561.92 +/- 0.571.70 +/- 0.581.54 +/- 0.581.28 +/- 0.59  
4 mths   2.34 +/- 0.532.23 +/- 0.532.07 +/- 0.541.84 +/- 0.551.60 +/- 0.56   
5 mths    2.31 +/- 0.512.17 +/- 0.511.93 +/- 0.53    
6 mths     2.22 +/- 0.50     

Figure 7. Linear trends of global average dCloud against dSST, with 95% confidence levels, as in Figure 1 but with cloud cover weighted by opacity multiplied by incoming solar radiation.

Linear trends of global average dCloud vs dSST – weighted by cloud opacity and ocean radiation +/- 2*Sigma

Months later:1 mth2 mths3 mths4 mths5 mths6 mths7 mths8 mths9 mths10 mths11 mths
Months averaged           
1 mth1.44 +/- 0.681.56 +/- 0.671.91 +/- 0.671.52 +/- 0.681.33 +/- 0.681.38 +/- 0.680.93 +/- 0.690.99 +/- 0.690.96 +/- 0.700.71 +/- 0.700.02 +/- 0.71
2 mths 1.80 +/- 0.561.91 +/- 0.561.74 +/- 0.571.56 +/- 0.571.42 +/- 0.581.21 +/- 0.581.10 +/- 0.591.03 +/- 0.590.68 +/- 0.60 
3 mths  1.94 +/- 0.521.86 +/- 0.531.71 +/- 0.531.53 +/- 0.541.36 +/- 0.541.22 +/- 0.550.99 +/- 0.55  
4 mths   1.92 +/- 0.501.81 +/- 0.501.66 +/- 0.511.47 +/- 0.511.26 +/- 0.52   
5 mths    1.89 +/- 0.481.75 +/- 0.491.54 +/- 0.50    
6 mths     1.80 +/- 0.48     

Figure 8. Linear trends of global average dCloud against dSST, with 95% confidence levels, as in Figure 1 but with cloud cover weighted by opacity multiplied by outgoing ocean radiation.

For the first few months, all the trends weighted by incoming solar radiation are higher than those weighted by outgoing ocean radiation. This shows that the increases in cloud cover associated with increases in SST have a larger effect on incoming radiation than on outgoing radiation. In other words, they are net cooling.

5. CONCLUSION

The data shows that there is a positive correlation between changes in SST and later changes in cloud cover. As stated above, it is known that clouds have a global cooling effect, and the analysis has shown that as the changes in cloud cover associated with changes in SST increase, they do indeed have a larger cooling effect. The inescapable conclusion is that any cloud feedback is negative.

This conclusion has profound implications for climate models. All of the models referenced by the IPCC are parameterised with positive cloud feedback – “the GCMs all predict a positive cloud feedback” – and they attribute nearly half of all anthropogenic global warming to cloud feedback [9]. This is a possible reason for most climate models overestimating global warming [4] [12], although Anagnostopoulos [1] says that there are much more significant problems.

A further conclusion with profound implications for the climate models is that the observed reduction in cloud cover between 1986 and 2017 was not a feedback from rising temperatures and that it was powerful enough to eventually override any negative cloud feedback. The IPCC report [9] suggests that the models do not recognise the possibility that clouds can have any behaviour other than as a feedback:- in Key Uncertainties they only say of clouds: “Large uncertainties remain about how clouds might respond to global climate change“. This study shows that clouds must have important behaviour that is not included in the models.

The implication for the climate models is devastating. It must be questioned whether they are fit for purpose.

6. DISCUSSION

6.1 Interpretation

The most reasonable interpretations would appear to be:

  1. The changes in cloud cover as in Figure 1 are caused by the changes in SST. If this is the case, then cloud feedback is negative.
    or
  2. The changes in cloud cover and the changes in SST are both caused by some unknown factor (ie, correlation is not causation). If this is the case, then cloud feedback is zero.
    or
  3. A combination of 1 and 2 applies. If this is the case, then cloud feedback is not as negative as in 1 but it is still negative.

6.2 Other Interpretations

Any interpretation other than the above seems extraordinarily unlikely, and in any case would completely invalidate the climate models referenced by the IPCC. For example:

(a) If an increase in SST actually caused there to be less clouds, then some unknown factor or factors would have to be operating in the opposite direction with greater effect. ie, some unknown factor or factors would have to be creating more clouds after an increase in SST even though an increase in SST was causing there to be less clouds.

(b) If an increase in SST does cause more clouds, but if in fact clouds have a warming effect, not cooling, then some unknown factor or factors would have to be operating over the longer term to both reduce cloud cover and to increase SSTs.

As stated above, both these possibilities are extremely unlikely, and can surely be discounted. Alternative (b) in particular appears to be ruled out anyway by the above analysis using incoming and outgoing radiation weightings.

6.3 Quantification

It would be tempting to quantify the negative cloud feedback using the linear trends between dCloud and dSST as reported above and the linear trends of SST and cloud cover over the period that was analysed.

Such quantification would be unjustifiable at this stage, because until the mechanisms involved are reasonably well understood, it would be far too unreliable. There is an obvious possible mechanism for cloud feedback being negative:- as oceans warm they release more water vapour into the atmosphere, which then forms more clouds over the next few months. This concept is supported by the observation by Durack [3] of an increased hydrological cycle. However, the mechanism needs to be evaluated against the findings here before it can be assumed to be the relevant mechanism.

6.4 What Next?

Quantification of cloud feedback is clearly needed, as in 6.3 Quantification.

But further investigation into the behaviour of clouds is also needed:

This study shows that the observed reduction in cloud cover between 1986 and 2017 was not a feedback from rising temperatures. It follows that some of the increase in SST over this period could have been caused by independent cloud cover reduction. Finding out what caused the cloud cover reduction would be a major step forward for climate science. Some work has already been done, eg. [6] [14].

On a more general level:- It is abundantly clear that the climate models cannot represent the behaviour of clouds. It must therefore be seriously questioned whether the models, as currently structured, will ever be of any value at all for predicting future climate. It would be reasonable to consider the advice given by Anagnostopoulos [1] that a paradigm shift is needed.

6.5 Overall Trends

Charts of SST (Deg C) and Cloud cover (%) are given in Figures 9 and 10. These support the statement in the Abstract: “As expected, the trends for the overall period are of rising sea surface temperatures and of falling cloud cover.”.

Figure 9. SST data over the study period, with linear trend.

Figure 10. Cloud cover data over the study period, with linear trend.

The sources of the SST and cloud data are given in 2. METHOD.

Acknowledgements

Most of the data was accessed using Panoply software developed and provided free of charge by NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies.

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The paper may have to be changed to satisfy the review process. But in the meantime, the paper presented above is the exact paper that has been presented to the journal.

“Iris” Theory

Richard Lindzen et al hypothesised in September 2000 that Earth might have an “Adaptive Infrared Iris” which provides a significant negative feedback to surface temperature changes – the “Iris” theory. If I have understood that paper correctly, then my paper above does not support the “Iris” theory, because the “Iris” theory is based on surface warming resulting in less clouds of a particular type at the tropics, whereas I found that the data associated cloud increase with surface temperature increase.

NB, my findings don’t disprove the “Iris” theory either, because the “Iris” theory is based on specific cloud reduction in a limited area, whereas my analysis uses only global SST and cloud data.

In January 2002, Bing Lin et al argued against the “Iris” theory, saying that the cloud changes were actually warming not cooling, and therefore that the feedback referred to was positive not negative.

My paper provides no more support for Bing Lin’s argument than it does for Richard Lindzen’s, for the same reason: Bing Lin refers to the same cloud reduction.

Incidentally, arguments based on different types of cloud won’t work if anyone tries to use them to disprove my findings. That’s because surface temperature increases are followed by cloud increases. If the cloud type involved somehow manages to make that a positive feedback – in spite of my finding re cloud opacity – then the positive feedback will create even more cloud which will deliver even more positive feedback, etc, etc. But … in the longer term, as surface temperature increases, there’s less cloud, not more, so my argument in 6.2 (b) applies.

And one final comment: All I have done is to analyse the data. I don’t provide any theories, I don’t use any models, and I don’t use any sophisticated statistical tricks or cherry-picking to manipulate the data into a dubious finding. All the available data is used, and the only process used is simple weighted (and unweighted) averaging. The chart of cloud change against temperature change goes the “wrong” way. Period.

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Vuk
June 6, 2020 7:39 am

…. the analysis has shown that as the changes in cloud cover associated with changes in SST increase, they do indeed have a larger cooling effect. The inescapable conclusion is that any cloud feedback is negative.
Sounds good to me, I would say that the precipitations may be the key to the negative feedback forcing warming/cooling cycles sequence
http://www.vukcevic.co.uk/PNFb.htm
or may be not / 🙂 .

dh-mtl
June 6, 2020 8:05 am

Very good paper. A few comments.

1. The results should not be surprising. They reflect elementary physics. Water vapor pressure increases exponentially with temperature (at 20C roughly doubling for each 10C). Increasing SSTs means more water in the atmosphere, thus more cloud formation.

2. The time lag between SSTs and peak cloudiness, 3 months, corroborates the time lag between El Nino and peak atmospheric temperatures, 4 months. Both phenomena are the result of increased water evaporation from the oceans and its transport throughout the atmosphere by convection. These two phenomena show that the time required to fully disperse water vapor in the atmosphere from increased SSTs is of the order of 3 – 4 months.

3. There are two factors that control the rate of cloud formation, at any given atmospheric temperature, the content of water vapor in the atmosphere and its propensity to nucleate. Given that decreasing water vapor content can be discounted as the cause for decreasing cloudiness from 1986, Figure 10, (this paper and elementary physics say that the content of water vapor would have been increasing) then we should be looking at changes in the propensity for nucleation as the cause for this decreasing cloudiness.

4. Indeed, in comparing Figures 9 and 10, we see that almost all of the decrease in cloudiness happened before 1999. And from 1999 until 2015 was basically stable. SSTs on the other hand increased more or less consistently over the period. These two graphs show that, if anything, the decrease in cloudiness preceded the increase in SSTs and, since SSTs drive atmospheric temperatures, preceded Global Warming.

5. As I understand it, changes to the propensity to nucleate can be affected by the amount of such things as cosmic rays, space dust and pollutants (aerosols and particulate).

This paper adds another piece of evidence to the case that CO2 cannot be the cause of Global Warming. If the decreased cloudiness which, as the author’s state, leads to increased atmospheric temperatures, is not the result if increased SSTs, then it must be the result of an increased propensity to nucleation. This increased propensity for nucleation can be caused by solar/space effects and pollution.

Isn’t it ironic if one of the causes of Global Warming is indeed man-made, not from increasing pollution, but rather from the efforts to reduce pollution since the 1960s. Fortunately this effect is self-limiting.

Old.George
June 6, 2020 8:07 am

You had me at “Hello.”
“The ocean covers 70% of the global surface and stores more heat in the uppermost 3 metres than the entire atmosphere, so the key to understanding global climate change is inextricably linked to the ocean [7].”
My forehead is sore from the pounding. Captain Obvious strikes again. We are on a water planet. Of course the land temperatures cannot be ignored, they just don’t count for much.

Greg`
Reply to  Old.George
June 6, 2020 11:22 am

Indeed. It is the water cycle which determines climate, not the carbon cycle.

We do not have “basic physics” for evaporation, advection, condensation, cloud formation and precipitation. The claim that climate models are all founded in well established “basic physics” is a lie.

Leitwolf
June 6, 2020 8:11 am

Hi Mike J.

I have done extensive research on clouds, but started a few levels lower. Before we start to research cloud feedback, we should have a close look at the CRE (cloud radiative effect) and there is a lot of subject matter I can tell you. Let me just summarize a few important points.

1. If you take a closer look at the modelling of the CRE (ERBE, CERES..) you will find huge inconsistencies. Over time the regional estimates on net CRE have gone from strongly negative to positive and vice verse. Really it looks like they have no idea what they are doing. The only thing that sticks is a global net CRE of some -20W/m2. They are just not certain where they should put it on the map, which is ironic since it has to go the opposite way.

2. I did not use satellite data, but rather weather records (also for quality concerns) to determine local CREs. I think this is very fundamental work everyone should start with in climate science, but no one ever did it seems. These data show strict positive CREs everywhere I looked, especially in the northern Pacific, where all CRE models so far show strong negative CREs. In other words, real life data totally falsify these models and discard them as junk science.

3. With the theoretic foundations and the empiric data fully supporting them, it is safe to say the global net CRE is indeed positive. At this point virtually ALL common climate science turns obsolete, since it is not so much GHGs but rather clouds which keep Earth warm. The implications are mighty!

4. Like all GHGs also CO2 plays only a minor role in Earths climate, providing a “GHE” of only about 1K. Accordingly the increase of atmospheric CO2 can not cause any significant warming, nor will the supposed primary feedback vapor contribute a lot to it.

5. Yet we need to consider AGW for another reason, which are high altitude artificial clouds (aka contrails) which should be a potent driver of global climate. Indeed we see an autonomous global warming starting only in the 1970s in perfect accordance with the introduction of the jet airliner and the increase in global air travel since. Unsurprisingly we see no warming at all in the Antarctic, where there is no air travel.

6. Although contrails cause warming, which will increase evaporation, they also obscure the sun for the natural weather systems below it. In a process I do not fully understand (but is well documented), direct solar radiation is a key factor in evaporation, as the photons “tickle” H2O molecules out of the water into the air. The constant increase of contrails over time thus can easily lead to higher temperatures AND less evaporation. That is while higher temperatures per se could only increase evaporation. I think this might answer some of the questions you have put up in your paper.

Editor
Reply to  Leitwolf
June 6, 2020 3:46 pm

Leitwolf – interesting points. Worth noting perhaps that contrails should be part of the cloud data, both area and optical depth.

pochas94
June 6, 2020 9:46 am

I might mention rain in passing. Droplets of water or ice form in clouds at high, cold altitudes and drop, bodily transporting their coldness to the surface. The more clouds the more rain.

June 6, 2020 9:56 am

Mr. Jonas, in your fourth paragraph under “2. Method”, you state: “For SST, individual temperature readings were converted into Kelvin and raised to the 4th power before averaging, then converted back to degrees C. This ensured that the calculated average SSTs related correctly to outward radiation from the sea surface.”

I do believe there are many problems with this proposed methodology. Among these are:
(1) the implicit assumption of constant emissivity for all ocean conditions, when emissivity is known to be highly variable with surface wave activity and the degree of ocean foam present,
(2) the apparent disregard of the issue of NET OUTWARD RADIATION from the sea surface, which must account for the inbound radiation coming from the sky, including whatever clouds are within the sea-surface’s hemispherical field-of-view . . . for example, one can image a warm front with clouds moving over a high latitude ocean wherein the cloud temperature is actually greater than the sea-surface temperature (aka, a temperature inversion), in which case there would be NEGATIVE NET radiation from the sea surface to the clouds. In essence, one cannot just focus on an outbound radiation = f (Tss^4) dependence, when in reality it is a net outbound radiation = f (Tss^4 – Tsky^4) dependence.
(3) the apparent absence of considering that the presence of (visible) clouds necessarily has an associated increase in humidity in the atmosphere adjacent to the clouds; the extent to which this increase in water vapor—apart from the clouds themselves—affects the correlation between SST and cloud coverage is certain to be significant due to LWIR absorption by water vapor in the path length between sea surface and cloud base.

Editor
Reply to  Gordon A. Dressler
June 8, 2020 2:58 am

Gordon A. Dressler –
(1) The data is of global monthly averages, so it is likely that surface conditions won’t have much impact, particularly as I’m looking at a global pattern not minuitae.
(2) I’m not working with net radiation. I use only total outward radiation and total inward radiation.
(3) Comment (1) applies to this too (substitute adjacent humidity for surface conditions).

June 6, 2020 10:52 am

Mike

Very interesting and significant findings, and we thank you for that.

I’m a bit concerned about your use of the term “intercepted” for the amount of incoming or outgoing radiation that is not reflected by clouds.

Radiation and radiative energy transfer are not my speciality (by a long margin) but I have the impression that radiation that encounters any non-transparent body is either “reflected” or “absorbed”. In which case, your term “intercepted” would have the identical meaning to “absorbed”.

If you are in fact using a non-standard word to describe a radiative process, this could be an excuse to dismiss you as “not a serious scientist”.

I stand to be corrected, and if I’m wrong, I sincerely apologise.

Also, you need to tone it down a bit. Wording like “The implication for the climate models is devastating. It must be questioned whether they are fit for purpose” is not the sort of dispassionate language normally used in science. It paints you as a skeptic (i.e. “denialist”) and a trouble-maker. Which of course you are, and good for you. But you should emulate the Trojan Horse and be non-threatening until you’re in the door.

If you use wimpy, toned-down language like this: “this study points to the possibility that the current generation of GCMs may not adequately represent the behaviour of clouds in a warming environment” you just might get it in the publishing stream. And not naming the IPCC in the text might help too. Cite IPCC publications as references instead.

We all know that GCM’s are useless because they give the wrong answer. But you mustn’t actually say so, because in Climate World*, GCMs are holy writ and supersede any and all empirical observations. Believers are allowed to insult and attack skeptics at will, but the converse is not true because they are right and we are funded by the oil industry.

* “Welcome to Climate World™, the theme park where conclusions come first! Enjoy Unprecedented Weather Events™ every time it rains! Experience Permanent Drought™ when it doesn’t rain! Take a dip in our our Rising Seas™ as they get ready to inundate your neighbourhood (not recommended for those with allergies to acidification)! Wallow in feelings of guilt, futility and self-worthlessness when you pass the Tipping Point Saloon™! Stop at the Wind-Power Café™ and enjoy a termite burger while you see eagles being chopped to pieces! Step in to the Mass Extinction Theatre™ and watch as millions of species are annihilated for your amusement! Have your fortune told by the beautiful, mysterious but untouchable Climate Models™! Hang out at the Homogenization Hut™ where the 1930s heat wave will vanish before your astonished eyes! And no day at Climate World™ is complete without a visit to our Inquisition Dungeon™ where you can enjoy stand-up comedy as skeptical scientists are insulted, fired from their jobs at prestigious universities and sent to beg in the street! Please be polite, don’t litter and try to not notice the big diesel generator as you leave.”

Editor
Reply to  Smart Rock
June 6, 2020 10:25 pm

Smart Rock – “Intercepted” is the difference between reception and transmission as described by the providers of the data and as shown in the formulae I use for opacity. If that’s not clear to the reviewers I will hopefully have an opportunity to clarify.

About use of words: I used the words that I thought best described what I had found. If the reviewers don’t like them maybe they will say so. I suspect that a reviewer determined to protect the models wouldn’t let the paper through regardless of the words I use. So I used the most accurate words I could, and the rest is as they say in the lap of the gods.

Greg
June 6, 2020 11:01 am

Ref [10]. Providing links to blog posts in a manuscript is not good practice. When the title, clearly shown in the reference includes “epic fail” do NOT expect to get taken seriously.

This may do for an internet rant but don’t be surprised if it does not get a warm reception in peer review.

Technical point: doing OLS on scatter plots will under estimate the slope. So fig 4, for example will but understating the slope. Reverse the axes and do another OLS , the true relationship is likely between these two limits. Artful selection of axes when estimating CS is an institutionalized alarmist trick.

The best way to determine the lag is to plot the cross correlation function which clearly shows max correlation ( it seems clear this will be 3mo lag ). Spencer & Braswell 2011 papersshow such plots and could provide a legimate ref.

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June 6, 2020 11:15 am

Very well done Mike.

Should the paper be rejected, there are a few comments above that can be used to improved your paper for resubmission…

Editor
Reply to  Steve Richards
June 6, 2020 10:29 pm

Thanks, and yes there have been some very helpful comments, with useful links and ideas. And just so there’s no misunderstanding, Nick Stokes’ and other critical comments are among the very helpful ones.

Greg
June 6, 2020 11:16 am

1. Tropical and extra-tropic climate are very different, I don’t think that global averaging is the best method. I would suggest separating the two. They will certainly be different, possibly even in sign.

2. There is more than one type of cloud. Traditionally tropospheric and stratospheric cloud may have differing effects. Orthodox climatology has opposite contributions. This is likely to get picked up by any serious and fair-minded peer review.

I looked the effect of volcanoes on SST in a series of crosslinked graphs
https://climategrog.wordpress.com/hadsst3_volcano_lag_tropics/

It showed that tropics were very stable and extra-tropics changed notably. This implies much stronger f/b in tropical climate.

Presumably it would very simple to split the above analysis into tropical and extra tropical zones.

Editor
Reply to  Greg
June 6, 2020 10:39 pm

Greg – As I said in reply to another comment, I’m looking at the forest not the trees. It was enough to use the global data, ie. there was no need to break it down into regions (which would have introduced ever-increasing complications). And please note that I cross-checked using opacity and the patterns of inward and outward radiation. If the globe’s ocean area as a whole shows negative feedback, then there’s negative feedback. Period.

Robertvd
Reply to  Mike Jonas
June 7, 2020 3:11 am

Figure 10. shows that cloud cover had its highest values when volcanic activity was at a peak in the 80 ties and beginning of the 90 ties with the most recent Level 6 eruption at Mt. Pinatubo in 91.

https://sciencing.com/volcanoes-erupted-last-100-years-7793285.html

jmorpuss
June 6, 2020 2:44 pm

Clouds form as the result of the electrical resistance between these 2 processes.

Swarm probes weakening of Earth’s magnetic field.
“Earth’s magnetic field is vital to life on our planet. It is a complex and dynamic force that protects us from cosmic radiation and charged particles from the Sun. The magnetic field is largely generated by an ocean of superheated, swirling liquid iron that makes up the outer core around 3000 km beneath our feet. Acting as a spinning conductor in a bicycle dynamo, it creates electrical currents, which in turn, generate our continuously changing electromagnetic field.”
https://phys.org/news/2020-05-swarm-probes-weakening-earth-magnetic.html

“The global atmospheric electric circuit and its effects on cloud microphysics
This review is an overview of progress in understanding the theory and observation of the global atmospheric electric circuit, with the focus on its dc aspects, and its short and long term variability. The effects of the downward ionosphere-earth current density, Jz, on cloud microphysics, with its variability as an explanation for small observed changes in weather and climate,”
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/0034-4885/71/6/066801/pdf

June 6, 2020 2:46 pm

Mike
Previous reports show increase in precipitation near the equator leading to droughts on the higher lats.
Click on my name for my report.

Angus McFarlane
June 6, 2020 6:43 pm

Mike Jonas, thank you for an exceptionally good paper.

Furthermore, this paper by Kauppinen and Malmi (2019) from the University of Turku, Dept. of Physics and Astronomy supports your hypothesis.

https://arxiv.org/abs/1907.00165v1

They state that, “The IPCC climate sensitivity is about one order of magnitude too high, because a strong negative feedback of the clouds is missing in climate models.”

They conclude that, “The low clouds control mainly the global temperature.”

Greg
Reply to  Angus McFarlane
June 6, 2020 11:40 pm

Interesting but rather lightweight. Claims about out-gassing totally unsubstantiated. 4 of 6 refs to their own work.

June 6, 2020 7:35 pm

”Increased cloud cover”

How does this reconcile with these findings?
Increase high level clouds Russia..

https://rmets.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/1097-0088%28200008%2920%3A10%3C1097%3A%3AAID-JOC541%3E3.0.CO%3B2-5

overall long-term increase in total cloud amount over Australia,….

https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/1520-0442(1992)005%3C0260:HROCAS%3E2.0.CO%3B2

Retrievals from APP and TPP show a strong increase (∼5 %/decade) in cloudiness during spring over the past two decades. A similar increase is found in meteorological surface observations from the NP drifting stations….

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2004GL020067

Increasing clouds also nicely explains the divergence between day/night temps too doesn’t it?

Reply to  Mike
June 6, 2020 10:00 pm

That should be ”decreased cloud cover” obviously!

Jonas
June 7, 2020 7:20 am

I found this paper so interesting that I have read 4 times now. Maybee it says something about my learning ability ?
In fact I have tried to find some kind of errors, but I have not been able to do so.

I do have two questionmarks:
– you use the same opacity for incoming solar radiation as for outgoing longwave radtion. Is that assumption supported ?
– when you analyse the radiation balance,; how do you deal with day and night ? Do you assume that the cloudiness is the same during day and night ? I guess you see the point. If the clouds are there during nighttime but not daytime they will not reflect sunlight.

A reflection I made is that the I think you have found a correlation in the “rapid” variations in SST and Cloud. What if you take away the long term trends (just deviation from the trend line) and calculate the correlation between Cloud (x months later) and SST(month). A direct correlation instead of using dSST and dCloud ? In my mind the correlation should be there (since it exist in dSST and dCloud).

Editor
Reply to  Jonas
June 7, 2020 4:09 pm

jonas – good questions.
1. There is only one optical depth given in the satellite data. Yes there may well be differences between inward and outward, but the correlation between the two can reasonably be expected to be strong. In any case, I’m looking at the overall pattern rather than needing super-accurate values for detailed calculations.
2. The satellites operate at night too, so I would expect there not to be a major day-night difference that would invalidate the data (which is in monthly averages).
3. To my mind, the best analysis is one that doesn’t fiddle with the data first. So if I can work with actual temperatures, rather than with de-trended temperatures, or with temperature anomalies, etc, I do.

Jonas
Reply to  Mike Jonas
June 9, 2020 4:00 am

Thanks for your reply. It did answer my questions.

I think your conclusions are very important. It puts a big big questionmark for the GCM.
As a matter of fact I think your conclusions fits with our intuitiv understanding. It make sense that cloudiness increas when water temperature increase. It make sense that it gets cooler when it is cloudy.

Looking forward to coming papers from you.

mike
June 7, 2020 8:10 am

Don’t know if this applies.

If a satellite views clouds from a slanting angle it sees more low clouds than when it’s looking straight down. Changes in the population and orbits of satellites contributing to ISCCP data have tended to narrow the viewing angle to nearer the vertical. That will have reduced the reported cloudiness even if, in the real world, the cloudiness were unchanging or even increasing.

https://calderup.wordpress.com/2011/10/05/further-attempt-to-falsify-the-svensmark-hypothesis/

Editor
Reply to  mike
June 8, 2020 3:05 am

mike – I don’t know either, but (a) I expect that the satelliters do everything they can to deal with problems like that, and (b) because I’m only looking at 12 months max at a time, I don’t think it will be an issue.

observa
June 7, 2020 8:31 am

As an exceptional global lab experiment with Covid we do know the contrails stopped and the air cleared quite dramatically (you can see the Himalayas)-
http://joannenova.com.au/2020/06/humans-do-ultimate-paris-lockdown-co2-hits-record-high-anyway/

MikeN
June 7, 2020 4:28 pm

This paper does not seem to have enough references. Where is support for IPCC assumes positive feedback, or that clouds have a cooling effect(I think some types have a warming effect).

Also, if you take temperatures to the 4th power, how are you then converting to C? Do you first take the 4th root of the average? Perhaps you should just not bother with degrees Celsius.

Editor
Reply to  MikeN
June 7, 2020 8:51 pm

Thanks for checking.
Reference 9 for positive feedback (look for”[9]”).
Reference 8 for cloud cooling effect.
The temperature data is in deg C, and I and most others are more familiar working with deg C than K. It’s no big deal to convert between deg C and K each time. Yes you take the 4th root of the weighted average K^4 then take off the K-degC constant. The weight is kept too, so that it can be re-used in later averaging if needed.

June 8, 2020 12:11 am

Has anyone ever tried to find a correlation between sunspots numbers and cloud coverage?
Is there a place where the relevant data over extended periods of time would be available?
On a daily, weekly, monthly or yearly basis. It would be fascinating to find such a correlation!

Alex Henney
June 9, 2020 3:30 am

Mike Jonas I would welcome the opportunity of talking to you.I am a joint author of a paper with Monckton et al which shows there is a fundamental error in the way climatologists have applied feedback analysis whose effect is to triple the alleged warming from CO2.The climate establishment is blocking publication.Pls send me yr t no to alexhenney@aol.com or phone me on +44 77685 71313 or +44 207 284 4217

June 9, 2020 11:37 am

The Feynman method is to guess.

Guess 1. Clearance of forest and scrub for agriculture leads to an increase of dissolved silica runoff into the oceans. The spring bloom of diatoms lasts longer as the limit on diatom growth is dissolved silica.
Consequence 1.1 Bloom of phytoplankton is delayed, reducing emission of dimethyl
sulphide. Less DMS, fewer clouds, particularly at the crucial 1500 -2500ft
level.
C1.2 Diatoms have a C4-like carbon fixation mechanism which discriminates less
against heavier isotopes of carbon. Diatom export of carbon to the deep
ocean will include relatively more C13. The atmosphere has relatively more
C12.
C1.3 Diatoms lack calcareous shells. When they die and rain out to the sea bed
they drag down less carbon. The atmosphere has more carbon dioxide.

G2. Alteration of the oceanic ecosystem favours phytoplankton which use surfactant release to smooth the surface, increasing light transmission to the deeper water. This smooths the surface and delays wave breaking. The ecosystem disturbance can be by pollution, silica runoff or nitrate fertilisation.
C2.1 Fewer waves lead to fewer salt aerosols and less cloud. It gets warmer.
C2.2 Smoother water has a lower albedo. It warms more readily.

G3. Anthropogenic oil pollution — runoff, spills, etc see Seawifs site — smooths an appreciable percentage of the ocean surface.
C3. As C2.

JF