WHO, China Agree to an Independent Covid-19 Coronavirus Investigation

Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Director General of the WHO. Source fickr, author ITU Pictures, Creative Commons Attribution 2.0, image cropped.

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The WHO has agreed to conduct an “independent” probe into the Chinese Coronavirus.

WHO agrees to virus probe after Australia push

By 9News Staff 6:59am May 19, 2020

Australia’s push for an independent inquiry into the coronavirus pandemic has been vindicated globally with widespread backing of the probe, including from China.

More than 110 countries at the World Health Assembly backed a resolution calling for an impartial, independent and comprehensive evaluation of the international response to the pandemic.

WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus promised a review would come “at the earliest appropriate moment”.

Read more: https://www.9news.com.au/national/health-minister-greg-hunt-to-demand-protection-against-wet-markets-wha-meeting/29218817-74d3-4ce1-b650-3f77fe90c37e

The abrupt switch to enthusiastic Chinese and WHO support for an independent inquiry raises obvious concerns. China and the WHO might not be the only groups sitting on potentially embarrassing information.

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111 thoughts on “WHO, China Agree to an Independent Covid-19 Coronavirus Investigation

      • “At the earliest APPROPRIATE time”. And WHO determines when it would be appropriate? Good guess.

        • And WHO does the investigation.

          Will they even try to make it look really independent?

          Or will it just be another “WHO club” cover-up?

          • When bureaucrats announce and “investigation” you can hear the sound of the can bouncing down the road. The UN is worlds premier bureaucracy, expect a particularly long road.

            More than 110 countries at the World Health Assembly backed a resolution calling for an impartial, independent and comprehensive * of the international response* to the pandemic.

            Australia wants a probe into the coronavirus pandemic ; the UN announces and inquiry into “the international response”.

            That’s typical bureaucratic evasion tactics.

            The first thing we need is to know the origins of the virus and examine the grossly irresponsible “gain of function” genetic engineering going on at Wuhan and similar sites across the world.

            The second thing we need to know is the measures taken WITHIN China in December to smother the story and hide the existence and spread of a new disease from the rest of the world.

            If the WHO defines an enquiry into the “international response” that will neatly EXCLUDE any examination of what happened inside China at start of the spread and the origin of the virus since that is not “international”.

    • It is interesting to see how difficult it is to find out a simple fact in the Covid 19 debate: does Chloroquin work or not, but on other much more complicated matters there seems to be a certainty from the start.
      1. Can we be hundred percent certain that the physical symptoms we see come uniquely from Sars CoV 2? Not really. If they had really been unique, doctors could easily just diagnose based on symptoms, and there would be no reason for a test. They tried that in china , but stopped after 1 day.
      2. Patients don’t really die from Covid, they die from pneumonia, heart attacks, renal failure and all the other typical reasons of death for old age.
      3. The age of death seems to match very closely that of the general population, sometimes it seems even higher.
      4. In medicine it is very difficult to establish causation. Just see how difficult it is to determine if a simple drug like Hydroxucloroquin really works. How can we trust that the virus is really causing anything?
      5. So since we cannot really prove that sars cov 2 kills a patient, it makes no sense to call it the cause of any death. Death could come from any. Combination of factors; toxins, lifestyle, comorbidities, pollution, medical error, medication side effects.
      6. Actually, drug side effects can be a major cause. Several typical drugs common in older people almost double pneumonia, causes heart arrhythmia etc. These include sleeping pills, antidepressant , and the worst of all antipsychotics to keep the senile calm.
      7. There are hundreds of viruses and bacteria going around at any time, being deadly in the cold season. These cause excess deaths of around 50000 in the UK cold season. It could be just a bad general flu/clld season and the Coronavirus just happens to go around.
      8. The fact that some don’t seem to get immunity and are reinfected, could be indicating that the virus is just something that replicated and can be measured. If it is not really causing distress for the body, so there will be no immunity for some. The same goes for the virus not producing antibodies in all patients.
      9. The point is that we don’t know if the mostly old age deaths that we see, come from Sars Cov2. They could come from any other viruses and bacteria or even from the non communicable diseases patients have; diabetes, hypertension etc. Sars Cov2 just happened to be there the time of death, and we happened to test just some RNA sequences from this virus, and not the hundreds of others.
      10. There are 219 virus species that are known to be able to infect humans. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3427559/

    • How about the null hypothesis in Covid 19.
      It seems like the scientific principle of disproving the null hypothesis has been completely out the window. It seems really heretical to suggest disproving the null hypothesis in covid 19. The argument seems to be: People are dying, we have to act, we cannot sit around and do good science.
      The null hypothesis is that the sars cov2 has no effect on the population. Innocent until proven guilty. If we don’t use this principle in science, we could in principle imagine that bad spirits were behind the flu symptoms we see. If we should react like we do now, it would be the task for scientists to find out what could stop the bad spirits from moving from person to person.

      Is the virus hypothesis falsifiable? Do we have any way of proving that the pneumonia’s or kidney problems or heart problems don’t come from sars cov2?
      Not really. Now it seems like the virus can give any kind of problem or absolutely no problem. As long as we find some sars cov2 virus in the organs, we may say it is covid 19. But if we had tested for other corona viruses or adeno or rhino or flu, we would have found those too

      • Former NIH: Something you forgot. So what actually happened in Wuhan in your view? Just another flu season? A node of heart failures? Maybe just tell me where you stand on China’s and WHO’s handling of the problem and that will tell me something.

        • I totally agree. Former NIH Researcher. Ha. Ha.

          The CCP is evil big brother who spreads propaganda and chaos to keep us from solving the Covid puzzle.

          The first line of defense against Covid, should be correcting the population’s Vitamin D deficiency that affects 42% of the US population and 82% of the US black population. We are also Magnesium deficient and zinc deficient.

          Comment: ‘Vitamin’ D is a prohormone that turns genes on and off to make things happen in our body. Mice that have been altered so they cannot produce ‘Vitamin’ D turn white, lose their strength, and lose their fur, and die young.

          This study and others show that people who are vitamin D deficient are 19 times more likely to die from covid and have serious complications as compared to people who are Vitamin D ‘normal’, 25(OH)D, 30 ng/ml which requires 4000 UI/day of Vitamin D supplements for most people to achieve.

          https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-52574931
          Black men and women are nearly twice as likely to die with coronavirus as white people in England and Wales, according to the Office for National Statistics.

          And after accounting for differences in age, sex and geography, the study estimated that the death rate for people of black African heritage was 3.5 times higher than for white Britons.
          It added that for people of black Caribbean heritage, per capita deaths were 1.7 times higher, rising to 2.7 times higher for those with Pakistani heritage.

          Patterns of COVID-19 Mortality and Vitamin D: An Indonesian Study

          https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3585561

          Vitamin D Insufficient Patients 12.55 times more likely to die

          Vitamin D Deficient Patients 19.12 times more likely to die

          4000 UI/day of Vitamin D supplements is required to raise the serum 25(OH)D above 30 ng/ml.

          For Vitamin D status, cases were classified based on their serum 25(OH)D levels:

          (1) normal – serum 25(OH)D of > 30 ng/ml,

          (2) insufficient – serum 25(OH)D of 21-29 ng/ml, and

          (3) deficient – serum 25(OH)D of < 20 ng/ml.

          Viruses are simple things that absolutely must use our cells to replicate. If the virus cannot replicate it is stopped without symptoms.

          Zinc has been shown to stop the covid virus from replicating at a microbiological level (in vitro tests). Our elderly in particularly are both severly Vitamin D deficient and zinc deficient.

          Hydroxychloroquine is a Zinc ionophore which means it helps get the positive Zinc +2 ion into our negatively charged cells.

          There is evidence that our body has a natural system that also gets Zinc into our cells to stop this class of viruses which must connect to the ACE-2 connector molecule from replicating. The Zinc +2 ion makes the ACE-2 connector molecule slightly positive.

          The virus cannot mutate to get around the ion Zinc making the ACE-2 connector molecule in our cells slightly positive, which stops the virus replication.

          No replication, no virus spreading, and no serious symptoms.

          This is a paper about the in vitro test that shows the Zinc stops this class of viruses from replicating

          https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1001176

          This is a link to the interview of the Jewish doctor who used Zinc plus Hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin to treat 700 covid patients, who were all sick and showing symptoms, with only one death.

          See this medcram video (start with minute 4:00 after skipping commercial) that explains how a tiny amount of Zinc in our cells stops the covid virus from replicating.

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7F1cnWup9M&feature=youtu.be

          https://www.ibtimes.sg/us-doctor-claims-have-cured-nearly-500-coronavirus-patients-using-hydroxychloroquine-video-42075

          https://techstartups.com/2020/04/03/updates-from-dr-vladimir-zelenko-now-treated-700-coronavirus-patients-with-99-9-success-rate-using-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-sulfate-and-z-pak-1-outpatient-died-after-not-following-protocol-exclusi/

          • So many questions,

            – why is mainstream media, politicians and medical journal trying to demonize hydroxychloroquine?

            – could Covid be hitting people with compromised immune systems?

            – could Covid by a ‘binary weapon’ in the sense that it is relatively benign, but activated by some environmental toxins. For example, what about that disinfectant they are spraying in China and elsewhere? What chemical is that? Or perhaps the vaccine(s) are going to injure people who have already caught the virus. (Over active immune system response.)

            – why is Canada joining with China to develop a vaccine? (CanSino) . It seems China has already been testing vaccine on “volunteers”. Given their treatment of minorities, who can we trust or endorse such human experiments

            – finally the disease seems to cause blood clots and organ failure. What is in this virus?

            I’m sure others are asking too. Why rush forward with “warp speed” vaccine. This is not settled science.

            Finally on vaccine safety, please read Dr Judy Mikovits, “Plague of Corruption”.

  1. …… and they’re going to hire the Climategate/UEA exoneration committee as a further independent body.

    Sometimes it’s embarrassing to be a human being.

    • That was my first thought as well. You have China, USA, Australia and Canada (along with others) all working on these chimeric viruses and who pray tell will do the investigating?

      I nominate George Webb! He’s got the nose for tracing people, money and connecting the dots.

      https://www.youtube.com/user/georgwebb

      • Who will do the investigation?

        My understanding is that Tedros’s preference is Lady Gaga.

        • My understanding is Greta Thunberg is the prime candidate to lead the investigation . . . after all, didn’t CNN just tap her to be on an expert panel discussing COVID-19, and she is Time magazine’s Person of the Year 2019.

          What greater (Greta?) qualifications are needed?

    • Some in the medical profession have not been very helpful.
      1. They have grossly overestimated possible deaths, making politicians panic and shutting sown society.
      2. They said we needed to flatten the curve so all patients could get a ventilator. Then they discovered that ventilators actually lead to patients death.
      3. They advised distance and shut down for the healthy, without protecting the old well enough. If doctors believe in herd immunity they should encourage the young and healthy to get Covid 19 as quickly as possible
      4. They have basically instructed whole populations do typical OCD behaviour for such a long time that many will not be able to stop. Thereby they have possibly created lifetimes of suffering.
      Nobody has asked the old in old peoples homes if they were OK about possibly dying from Covid 19. Many would think a quick Covid death to be preferable to a drawn out cancer death. Many might feel the drowning and breathing problems would be preferable to excruciating long lasting cancer pain. We all have to die from something.
      Many would feel that their lives in the nursing homes were so miserable that they would be happy to go, especially with 3 serious comorbidities.

      • Former NIH Researcher May 20, 2020 at 6:10 am
        Some in the medical profession have not been very helpful.
        1. They have grossly overestimated possible deaths, making politicians panic and shutting sown society.
        —————
        In the UK some hospitals have had to hire in climate controlled freezers to store the dead.
        in NY I believe they used frozen food trailers.
        in Italy dead were piling up for burial.
        how many health workers die from flu infections caught from patients in a normal year?

        Is this what happens every year with flu?

        Ventilators – some they help some they do not. Many problems after recovery. Can lead to blood clots and mental problems (4 weeks sedated is not good for the semiconscious mind)

        I think you may have been watching too much Fox “news”

        • I think you are repeating a meme that has no real basis.

          Last I checked, Fox News was chosen as the best source for unbiased reporting.

          Don’t try to claim opinion and commentary is news.

          • https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8167283/Horrifying-moment-dead-bodies-loaded-refrigerated-truck-forklift.html
            Dead bodies are loaded into refrigerated trucks outside New York hospitals after 98 people died in seven HOURS – bringing city’s death toll to 790 and cases to 36,221 – as Mayor de Blasio warns people may be fined $500 for not staying home
            The video shows medical staff loading a pallet of bodies into a truck at Brooklyn Hospital in Fort Greene
            NEW YORK (AP) — It has become a grim ritual outside New York City’s hospitals: workers in protective gear loading the bodies of coronavirus victims into refrigerated trailers.

            A surge in deaths in the epicenter of the crisis in the U.S. has overwhelmed the city’s permanent morgues and filled storage spaces in many hospitals to capacity. The Federal Emergency Management Agency is sending 85 refrigerated trucks to serve as temporary morgues, the city said.

            https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/inside-uks-makeshift-coronavirus-morgue-21849631
            Inside UK’s makeshift coronavirus morgue branded ‘the bleakest place in Britain’
            Harrowing images have emerged of the makeshift morgue which will be used at the NHS Nightingale Hospital in London for the coffins of coronavirus patients who do not make it

            Coronavirus: How Covid-19 is denying dignity to the dead in …
            https://www.bbc.co.uk › news › health-52031539

            25 Mar 2020 – Italy’s mortuary industry is overwhelmed and the number of dead keeps rising. Almost 7,000 people have been killed by the virus so far (24 March) .

          • Yes, bodies were stored and transported in refrigerated trailers. They were not stacked like cord wood, they were laid out in rows down each side then transported to mortuaries with sufficient space to store them until embalming/funeral or cremation. But hey! That bucket of gasoline ain’t gonna throw itself on the fire.

          • Ghalfrunt: I never mentioned anything about that. What does it have to do with my contention that you’re talking out your [elbow] about Fox News?

  2. The obvious questions are:
    1) Who will do the investigating?. Seriously there are no neutral parties.
    2) What information can they require handed over by the China the USA and other parties? None due to all sides playing the “National Security” card would be my guess.

    I doubt anything will come of it but I would love to see a roasting of certain individuals like Tedros and Fauci for their roles. Maybe they will be the fall guys? Dare to dream.

    • Right up there with the UN doing nuclear investigations of Iran. Iran simply refused them access to the places they didn’t want them in, and there was nothing they could do but complain about it.

        • I think at least 5 of them should be tested for proper operation. Several test site options which would be beneficial to the human race are close by, trajectory-ly speaking.

  3. I hope that Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, Director General of the WHO has nothing at all to do with the Evaluation Team selection or the process. He is a wholly bought up Chi-Com operative. There is more than enough potentially embarrassing information and evidence in this fiasco to limit the selection of the Team severely. Few will want to be involved in this recent horrifying chimeric bat virus modification effort.

    • Exactly, it is merely a review of WHO procedures, and an investigation of the zoonotic origins, i.e. the answer has been decided in advance.

  4. [Teddy] promised a review would come “at the earliest appropriate moment”

    A good example of a standard bureaucratese expression, meaning “go engage in autocoitus”.

    • The only push is money. If Trump makes it stick that the WHO must get it done within 30 days or they get no US money EVER, then the bureaucrats will fall all over themselves making it seem like they are investigating.

  5. The WORDING is critical !!!

    The resolution is about the ***international response*** to the pandemic.
    The resolution is ***NOT*** about the ***origins*** of the pandemic.

    So its no wonder China agreed to this resolution. The WHO can go out and actually get an independent team who will independently look at the ***international response***, and find that everyone could have done better … but NO-ONE will be investigating the ***ORIGIN***/***SOURCE*** of the pandemic.

      • Oh, there’s nothing strange about it. They are saying exactly what they are going to do.

        The art of having an “enquiry” is to carefully define what you will NOT be looking into .

  6. Good for them. Now all they have to do is interview all those Chinese scientists and lab technicians who have been threatened by the CCP to lie or get sent off with the Uyghurs to their concentration camp happy-happy-joy-joy vocational education and training facilities.

  7. From the article: “WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus promised a review would come “at the earliest appropriate moment”.

    There’s the problem: Tedros will still be involved. How can we now trust anything Tedros is invovled in? We can’t.

    Tedros has to go.

    Where are the other 80 or so nations that have been harmed by the Wuhan virus? There ought to be about 200 nations suing the Chinese Communist Party over the Wuhan virus attack.

    • I see where Susan Rice, former President Obama’s National Security Advisor, has apparently been successful in fooling the Rightwing News Media into taking her email of January 20, 2017, seriously.

      Remember: Susan Rice is a blatant, proven liar so you can’t trust anything she says to be true.

      That includes Susan Rice’s memo of January 20, 2017, the day President Trump was sworn in as President.

      Susan Rice went into her office on the very last day of the Obama administration, before Trump was sworn in, and wrote herself a email memo to herself. This email supposedly describes the events that took place during a meeting of the Obama administration on January 5, 2017, where Obama, Biden, Comey and all the Intel agencies were in attendace supposedly discussing Russia/Trump collusion..

      The purpose of Susan Rice’s email was to exxonerate the Obama administration’s actions with regard to collusion between the Russians and the Trump administration. Susan Rice wanted to give the impression that the Obama administration was seriously concerned about contacts between Russia and the incoming Trump administration, thus justifiying any investigations they had done in the past on the Trump campaign.

      The only problem with this scenario is that by the January 5, 2017, date of the Obama meeting, the Obama administration knew good and well that there was NO collusions between the Russians and Trump. On January 4, 2017, the FBI agents investigating General Flynn stated they had found no lies or crimes and wanted to drop the investigation, but then, right after the January 5, 2017, Obama meeting, the Deputy Director of the FBI, stopped the closing of the Flynn case. Coincidence?

      The bottom line is there is no evidence that anything Susan Rice said in her memo is the truth. She recounts conversations that may or may not have taken place. It may be a lie that President Obama said do everything “by the book”. Gullible rightwing reporters shouldn’t be giving Susan Rice the benefit of the doubt.

      Susan Rice is trying to legitimize the undermining of the Trump administration by the Obama admistration by making it appear that the Obama administration was seriously concerned about Russian collusion with Trump, when at the time she wrote the email, she and everyone in the Obama administration knew the Russia/Trump collusion narrative was a fraud, because they created this fraud.

      Susan Rice is a self-serving liar. Treat her as such.

      • Ari Fleisher, a longtime Republican campaign consultant, was on tv a few moments ago and it appears he has been fooled by the Susan Rice memo.

        He thinks the Obama administration had legitimate reasons to suspect that Russia might be colluding with Trump and therefore all the Obama administration actions were justified.

        Ari seems to have missed the fact that the whole Russia collusion deal was a setup by the Obama administration and Hillary Clinton from the very beginning, and Obama administration officials had no legitimate reason to suspect Russia/Trump collusion because there was none in reality and they knew it. The Russia/Trump collusion was a creation of the Obama administration!

        Ari has completely missed the boat on this and Susan Rice must have been jumping for joy upon hearing what he said. Success! Susan says. I fooled him. He doesn’t think the Obama administation are a bunch of criminals, instead he just thinks we made a few legitimate mistakes. Success!!!!!!!!!!

        How gullible can you be, Ari? Pretty damn gullible, it appears. Taking Susan Rice seriously. That’s pathetic, and just terrible judgement. You couldn’t be more wrong.

        Noone should accept the truth of any thing Susan Rice says. Her whole memo and everything in it may be pure fiction. It is certainly self-serving. Any reporter who doesn’t question her every word is not doing their job. The same for political consultants.

        • Her email to herself was spin to CYA.

          I’m well aware that statement is not grammatically correct.

      • Here’s a Fox News Alert appearing on tv right now:

        “Rice Spokesperson: Obama Admin Had Legitimate Concerns about Flynn’s Communications with Russia”

        That is what Susan Rice was trying to convey in her suspicious email of January 20, 2017, and now her spokesperson reaffirms that is what her memo was meant to do.

        And these idiot reporters on Fox are acting like Susan Rice is telling the truth, and instead of quetioning her veracity, they are debating the finer points of the memo itself. They are debating about fiction but don’t seem to realize it.

        It’s kind of pathetic how easily it is to mislead some people.

        Maybe they just can’t bring themselves to contemplate that the former president was a crook who tried to destroy the U.S. Constituion, so they give him the benefit of the doubt, even though they shouldn’t. It’s a psychological thing, I think. People don’t like it when their predictable world is pulled out from underneath them so they sometimes try to pretend that is not happening, as a way of easing their own minds.

        Whatever. There are a lot of dupes on the Right right now, it seems. The ones who should be most suspicious of Susan Rice are treating her statements as if they were established facts.

        Let’s see what our rightwing talkshow hosts have to say about the legitimacy of Susan Rice’s email. Surely Rush can see through this sham. I think he’ll be on the radio today, too. Good! Straighten these gullible people out Rush, and Tucker, Sean, Laura!

        • Susan Rice’s message to self tells us Obama knew our intelligence agencies spied on the Trump campaign and the transition team. It tells us Obama was ridiculing Trump about being spied on when he knew it was true.

          • They could not have done so without an order from the Executive Branch. That means the President. These weren’t loosely controlled agents in Poedunk Alabama, they are the senior level administrators of FBI and CIA. Barri ordered it done. Remember? He was the most in control President in American History. Just ask him, he knew and ran everything, according to him.

    • And in retaliation, China has immediately started a vicious trade war with us in Australia, 80% (!) tariffs on barley to start with. Only if the entire developed world gets into this trade war will China fold.

      We need to stop the new bully in the global schoolyard, and soon. We need to do this with national and individual action. If we don’t, they will win. The South China Sea is just the start.

      The US is a much more benign as a global force, even when socialists are in power.

      • “And in retaliation, China has immediately started a vicious trade war with us in Australia, 80% (!) tariffs on barley to start with. Only if the entire developed world gets into this trade war will China fold.”

        I think the United States grows barley. It’s time for Australia to make some new deals. 🙂

          • Well, I’ll bet there are some buyers of barley in the U.S., too.

            I heard U.S. Senator Tom Cotton say this morning that the U.S. needs to step in and help all the nations that are challenging China.

            Hang in there, Australia. You have a friend in the United States. You couldn’t have a better friend.

  8. Sadly, you would get more out of Frank James investigating Jesse James.

    Nothing to see here, move along.

  9. This matter is too important for one investigation – it needs at least 3 – and China ha probably already written the reports – It was Taiwan – it was Australia – it was the US – and China heroically saved the world with it’s valiant actions….

  10. Before you link anything back to conspiracy theories spread by gullible, non-sceptics you might want to watch this demolition:

      • This is Loydo, the one who seems to believe that the ABC is the most trusted source of news in Australia! You only need to know that to evaluate Loydo”s credibility.

          • Ha ha

            “When we subtract distrust from trust to achieve a Net Trust Score or NTS, we reveal a minus NTS for the Australian media industry, indicating that more Australians distrust the media industry than trust it.”

            Not a trusted industry at all!

            Oh, and the MSM were compared to social media, which are completely distrusted (no surprise there).

            And from the essential report, if you don’t cherry-pick and include ALL trust, The Australian (about as right wing as you get in the MSM) gets a higher overall score than the ABC.

            Climate Scientology Statistics are being used there.

            C-, could do better…

          • Actually, my overall conclusion is that readers of The Australian are a far more savvy lot than the gullible ABC readers & viewers. Given that The Australian actually pays its own way instead of being funded by monies forceably extracted from taxpayers, that’s quite significant.

          • Once again, Loydo proves that only information that agrees with what he already believes is true.

            Loydo, please note just who was surveyed.

    • China admits they destroyed virus samples in early January to prevent a leak, so they were obviously worried about the risk – https://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3936017

      I suggest this might have been closing the stable door after the horse bolted.

      Your video quotes Shi Zhengli expressing concerns the virus might have leaked from her lab.

      Chinese researcher Botao Xiao

      “In summary, somebody was entangled with the evolution of 2019-nCoV coronavirus. In addition to origins of natural recombination and intermediate host, the killer coronavirus probably originated from a laboratory in Wuhan. Safety level may need to be reinforced in high risk biohazardous laboratories. Regulations may be taken to relocate these laboratories far away from city center and other densely populated places.”

      https://wattsupwiththat.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/PDF-The-possible-origins-of-2019-nCoV-coronavirus.pdf

      Shi was involved in the creation of chimeric viruses. Your video claims they were incomplete viruses, but the viruses were capable of agressively attacking human cells, and the study itself expressed concern that the chimeric virus work was risky.

      https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/03/were-dangerous-wuhan-coronavirus-lab-experiments-part-funded-by-western-governments/

      Is it proof? Of course not, and since China admitted destroying the evidence I doubt we shall ever know for sure. But in my opinion it stinks.

    • The video did not mention that Ralph Barrick’s paper on Gain of Function virus work at UNC included several co-authors who currently work at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. This is not a smoking gun, but only an indication that several of the researchers in Wuhan were familiar with Barrick’s Gain of Function research. It does create a connection between the Wuhan Institute of Virology and another US University.

    • Loydo, there is no “demolition” in the video (link) that you posted . . . just a “he said, she said” type of narration. The video does not present FACTS, pro or con, related to the possibility of COVID-19 originating in a laboratory in Wuhan, only ARGUMENTS about the credibility of those speculating/reporting on such.

      Your an ad hominem attack phrase of “conspiracy theories spread by gullible, non-sceptics” has been duly noted.

  11. With most institutions already having a position that it was just a snake no a bat no a pangolin on a market and nothing more, there isn’t much room for a non biased investigation; any investigation would need to assert that the so called debunking of the “conspiracy” theories of Cotton were pure BS.

    How many French scientists can safely say that the French Academies are full of it?

  12. If we investigate the officially appointed investigators we might find something.

  13. In one breath, critics of the COVID-19 response can warm up to the idea that SARS-CoV-2 might be just another addition to the seasonal flu-type viruses, and in another breath, call it a … horrifying chimeric bat virus modification effort.

    Maybe we should also talk about the horrifying excess adipose tissue modification efforts that account for 23% of the world’s population being obese, … that don’t even take place in a lab. Oh, but that’s different — obesity is not … “contagious”. Or is it? — depending on how you define a contagion? — does enabling count? — setting an example? — having low expectations? — can’t these things “go viral” and have the same effect as a physical contagion?

    I just find the characterization, horrifying chimeric bat virus, over-the-top.

    • There is a statistical link between obese parents and overweight children at young age, which almost always become obese later.

  14. I would never trust one who has a name with nearly as many letters as the English alphabet and about half as many syllables! I would be exhausted by the time I even addressed him/her. Can we just call that bloke Ted, or Joe, or Sue, or anything but Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus?

  15. Nothing wrong with funding dangerous experiments, if they are justified to learn more about something.

    What isn’t justified is running dangerous experiments without adequate safeguards.

    • When your are running a dangerous experiment for the first time—that is, creating something that never before existed— exactly how to do you establish what the “adequate safeguards” should be?

        • Yeah, a start, but they did prove in fact to be INADEQUATE, didn’t they?

          Established procedures never guarantee actual practice.

    • How can you justify trying to change an extremely stable virus with almost no chance of cross transmission into a highly infectious desiease just to see what it does?

      • Looking at the CCP as a main actor in this, it MAY have started with a superbly brilliant idea: let’s hide the development and engineering of biological weapons IN PLAIN SIGHT under the guise of investigating all of the possible (not just probable) ways that one or more naturally-occurring viruses in bats might be modified, via gain-of-function genetic manipulation, to most-virulently infect humans at a high-level of overall mortality.

        And look at this . . . under this guise, we can even get the US and the Australians to help fund this bioweapon research.

        The CCP may have foreseen how easily this storyline could be sold in the West, along the lines of what Dr. Ian Malcolm (Jeff Goldblum) famously said in the 1993 movie Jurassic Park: “yes, yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could that they didn’t stop to think if they should”.
        (video clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kY-pUxKQMUE )

        So yes, bats, mice and homo sapiens have co-existed on Earth for at least 300,000 years. During that time, there is no evidence that a full COVID-19 RNA strand comprised of combined segments of (a) coronaviruses carried by bats spliced onto (b) backbone genetic structures from mouse viruses with (c) spike enhancement for S2 protein cleavage (i.e., insertion of a PRRA genetic segment) for facilitating human respiratory system infection, EVER arose spontaneously. The odds of these three things happening by chance mutation are just unbelievably small.

        And it may not have even been enough for the research virologists to just stop there with this new, extremely dangerous chimeric virus. There is some evidence that additional gain-of-function work, to make this new virus even more lethal across a broad spectrum of human populations and perhaps with a different mode of infection, was performed, with at least one COVID-19-like strain reportedly having three or four separate sites of HIV genetic material insertion.

        So, you may be thinking this all one big conspiracy theory, right?

        Well maybe so, but I’ll just leave this rather startling fact to consider: why is it with all this multinational research into coronaviruses and their possible mutations—conducted with international support and spanning more that a decade—for the asserted purpose of being able to defeat coronavirus-like mutations that might break out in human populations, we gained absolutely no knowledge of how to easily detect, let alone treat, COVID-19 when it broke out near end-2019? What was the REAL focus of this research?

        If someone wanted to bio-weaponize a coronavirus, COVID-19 would qualify as a stunning success; if someone was truly conducting research for a prophylactic measure against, or cure of, COVID-19-like viruses, all that research has been a stunning failure.

        Just saying . . .

        • There is currently 250 million people in China at or over the retirement age. They are entitled to a pension and health care, paid by the Communist Party that they served during their lifetime. And the Chinese demographic baby boom occurred in the 60’s and 70’s. So they are facing another 100 million people retiring every 5 years for the next 20 years.
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_China

          It has been a tremendous advantage to have that workforce to build the modern China. But since the single child policy was enacted 40 years ago, there is a factual problem ahead where a small workforce will have to support a much larger retired population.
          There is only one solution for this problem, and it magically appeared. A virus which reduces the lifespan of retirees. Billions of dollars a month can easily be saved by reducing the number of retirees currently getting benefits.
          Socialized retirement and socialized health care delivered by Heibai Wuchang!
          What a coincidence!
          The year of the Rat is a year of new beginnings, and that means a year to clean out the old stuff you don’t need anymore. And some people don’t know when their existence is inconvenient.

          • But China is officially reporting to the WHO unbelievably low daily rates of both COVID-19 infections and COVID-19-related deaths for its total population of 1.44 billion people.

            Either the “one solution” that you reference is not working/not being applied, or China is not telling the truth . . . take your pick.

          • Both. It doesn’t have to work all at once. And it is not going away any time soon. And of course China is not telling the truth. The reports out of Wuhan alone were an order of magnitude low, just during the lock-down.
            And going forward you have elderly retired seniors that have not been exposed to the virus, yet. And survivors of the virus with damaged cardio vascular systems, that will die sooner than they would otherwise.
            It is better for the CCP to spread it out and avoid public anger. Dispose of those with minimal family contacts. Maintain the image of success in containing the virus. Cremate bodies and fudge the numbers. Who is going to notice the difference? No one in China would dare speak out, or they would be next on the list.
            80 deaths is a tragedy. 80 million deaths is a statistic.

  16. You can be sure that when China agreed to the investigation that it will not be independent nor transparent,

  17. Well, we can write this investigation off. It’ll be a big bowl of bland, mealy mouthed, diplomatically sensitive words that won’t do anything and certainly won’t point fingers.

    Given the relationship between the WHO and China, there will be no criticism directed that way.

    Even if the US did threaten (or even did) pull funding, there is still a massive cloud of obscurity over the whole thing. It would have been better to get a panel of truly independent people, but that seems to be increasingly hard to do now as well.

    The globalists will believe the WHO and I guess everyone else will have to pick a story to which they think provides the best unbiased evidence.

  18. With the timelines showing that it was rampant in California in December, a domestic source in the USA is still extremely likely.
    Google ‘Ft Detrick effluent plant flood and shutdown’ in August 2019, followed by use of inferior chemical processing. The CDC finally got sick of the lax practices there and formally shut it down, but the chimeric horse had bolted by then.
    Remember, Ft Detrick has prior, it was the source of the weaponised anthrax used in that domestic terror attack after Sep 11. Which also prompts another possible source – the disaffected environut microbiologist who deliberately released this to ‘cleanse the world’, a la Twelve Monkeys scenario.
    The timelines, and the original Chinese claim of the infected US soldier at the ‘friendly games’ in November 2019 all point to it being very plausible that the USA was the source.
    The shear number of cases caused by travellers from the USA in January and February also makes a strong case.
    This may be why the Chinese would be very happy with a properly independent investigation, it may very well clear them entirely.

  19. But not until the Chinese have cleaned their data, destroyed their experimental virus and lost a few scientists to the virus.

    • …and purged the Wuhan BSL4 labs of ALL gain-of-function virus research activities including ALL such related Shi Zhengli papers and supposed findings…
      Go figure….

  20. I do hope that as an important part of the investigation the question will be asked how and why the policy of enforced, terribly destructive industrial lock-downs became the norm in practically the whole world.

    I believe these will eventually be proved unnecessary. Just advising people to self-isolate and not to travel would have been sufficient.

  21. Hey Mr. Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus (Jheb-breh-uiesus (Jesus). As best I can “phonetically” type it) hows poverty and hunger in your home country of Ethiopia going?

  22. In the live news at RT 2020-05-20 11:00 GMT:
    The high court in Paris has denied the French police using drones to survey people in the streets.

    For a while the police has used drones with loudspeakers and cameras to get people off the nearly empty streets and back into their private cells (homes).

    It was a group fighting for freedom, who brought the case for the court and won today.
    The downside is that the police continue their unconstitutional use of drones in other large cities in France.

    The other bad news is that the way WHO and the politicians inter-distance people, the immune defense is likely to be severely damaged. (Dr. Dan Erickson and Dr. Artin Massihi)

  23. Of course there are extremely embarrassing facts, for the US and France :
    P4 Wuhan, a French inquiry :
    https://www.lepoint.fr/monde/p4-de-wuhan-enquete-sur-une-affaire-francaise-29-04-2020-2373525_24.php
    (paywall)
    The secret history of the Wuhan P4 lab sold by France to China :
    https://www.challenges.fr/entreprise/sante-et-pharmacie/revelations-l-histoire-secrete-du-laboratoire-p4-de-wuhan-vendu-par-la-france-a-la-chine_707425
    (paywall)
    Maybe Pompeo’s “enormous evidence ” is in French, and it is indeed damning backfire!
    Quelle rigolade, un vrai ricochet! (LOL!)

  24. CS-2 is an artificially created “chimeric, Gain of Function” virus … a franken virus probably created at the Wuhan BSL-4 Lab partly operating under a US grant. It is guaranteed this part of the COVID-19 pandemic will not be investigated by China, te US or the WHO

    NEWSWEEK Headline 28 April 2020

    “Dr. Fauci Backed Controversial Wuhan Lab with Millions of U.S. Dollars for Risky Coronavirus Research”

    NEWSWEEK blew the whole BSL-4 story sky high a few weeks ago.

    To put a fine line under this: NIH (Francis Collins) and NIAID (Fauci) outsourced “Chimeric, GoF” research to the Wuhan BSL-4, effectively pulling an end run around the US ban on this research between 2014-2017. The grant continued through 2019. The US is DEEPLY COMPLICIT in the events leading to any leakage of a lab-made SARS-CoV-2 (“SC-2”) “franken virus”.

    https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

    If you want to know about BSL-4 research ASK FAUCI (NIAID) and COLLINS (NIH) … they wrote and administered the NIH research contract for Wuhan BSL-4 to create “chimeric, Gain of Function” franken viruses.

    You can review the grant and the funding history here. Take a look at the NIH grant administered by Fauci’s NIAD starting in 2014-2020.

    https://projectreporter.nih.gov/project_info_description.cfm?aid=9819304&icde=49711216

    The grant is issued to the EcoAlliance, which operates in the US and overseas, at Wuhan. EcoAlliance specializes in Bat SARS viral research. The grant states:
    “We will use S protein sequence data, infectious clone technology, in vitro and in vivo infection experiments and analysis of receptor binding to test the hypothesis that % divergence thresholds in S protein sequences predict spillover potential.”

    S proteins are the SC-2 spikes (“coronas” or crowns) that attach to the ACE-2 bronchial cell “Receptor Binding Domain” (RBD) and then “cleave” open the cells for the SC-2 to inject RNA into bronchial cells, often causing profound pneumonia ie COVID-19. The SC-2 virus was deliberately mutated in animal models to create perfectly adapted S proteins, with an exceptionally strong affinity for human ACE-2 lung tissue. SC-2 was a precision engineered -in-the-lab virus using sequential infection methods, a form of controlled, highly accelerated “natural selection” mutation — a targeted mutation.

    Furthermore, the NEWSWEEK demolishes the flimsy cover story from “Nature Medicine” that claims the CS2 virus is 100%, pure and natural. The “Nature Medicine” research published on 17 March is a farrago of spit-ball conjectures based on the Wuhan Wet Market fairy tale, and grossly misleading straw man arguments about irrelevant bio-engineering techniques. The “Nature Medicine” conspicuously ignored the more prevalent methods of “guided, accelerated” natural selection using animal models.

    A cheeky layman’s takedown of the Nature Medicine propaganda written by a virologist is found here:
    https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03/19/china-owns-nature-magazines-ass-debunking-the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2-claiming-covid-19-wasnt-from-a-lab/

    If anyone wants to know what went on at the Wuhan BSL-4 lab, subpoena all the grant reports at NIH- NIAID; interview Collins, Fauci and staff scientists, and do the same at EcoAlliance.

    COVID-19 was a major blunder (not at all unanticipated at that), not malicious, but mixed with a lot of hubris and now deceit. We CANNOT allow ourselves to be stampeded into a WMD-style catastrophe by unscrupulous and mendacious actors in this unfolding global crisis.

    Demand that the entire EcoAlliance grant file be disclosed for public inspection. This may be of great assistance in understand what experiments were underway at Wuhan- BSL-4.

  25. CS-2 is an artificially created “chimeric, Gain of Function” virus … a franken virus probably created at the Wuhan BSL-4 Lab partly operating under a US grant. It is guaranteed this part of the COVID-19 pandemic will not be investigated by China, te US or the WHO

    NEWSWEEK Headline 28 April 2020

    “Dr. Fauci Backed Controversial Wuhan Lab with Millions of U.S. Dollars for Risky Coronavirus Research”

    NEWSWEEK blew the whole BSL-4 story sky high a few weeks ago.

    To put a fine line under this: NIH (Francis Collins) and NIAID (Fauci) outsourced “Chimeric, GoF” research to the Wuhan BSL-4, effectively pulling an end run around the US ban on this research between 2014-2017. The grant continued through 2019. The US is DEEPLY COMPLICIT in the events leading to any leakage of a lab-made SARS-CoV-2 (“SC-2”) “franken virus”.

    https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

    If you want to know about BSL-4 research ASK FAUCI (NIAID) and COLLINS (NIH) … they wrote and administered the NIH research contract for Wuhan BSL-4 to create “chimeric, Gain of Function” franken viruses.

    You can review the grant and the funding history here. Take a look at the NIH grant administered by Fauci’s NIAD starting in 2014-2020.

    https://projectreporter.nih.gov/project_info_description.cfm?aid=9819304&icde=49711216

    The grant is issued to the EcoAlliance, which operates in the US and overseas, at Wuhan. EcoAlliance specializes in Bat SARS viral research. The grant states:
    “We will use S protein sequence data, infectious clone technology, in vitro and in vivo infection experiments and analysis of receptor binding to test the hypothesis that % divergence thresholds in S protein sequences predict spillover potential.”

    S proteins are the SC-2 spikes (“coronas” or crowns) that attach to the ACE-2 bronchial cell “Receptor Binding Domain” (RBD) and then “cleave” open the cells for the SC-2 to inject RNA into bronchial cells, often causing profound pneumonia ie COVID-19. The SC-2 virus was deliberately mutated in animal models to create perfectly adapted S proteins, with an exceptionally strong affinity for human ACE-2 lung tissue. SC-2 was a precision engineered -in-the-lab virus using sequential infection methods, a form of controlled, highly accelerated “natural selection” mutation — a targeted mutation.

    Furthermore, the NEWSWEEK demolishes the flimsy cover story from “Nature Medicine” that claims the CS2 virus is 100%, pure and natural. The “Nature Medicine” research published on 17 March is a farrago of spit-ball conjectures based on the Wuhan Wet Market fairy tale, and grossly misleading straw man arguments about irrelevant bio-engineering techniques. The “Nature Medicine” conspicuously ignored the more prevalent methods of “guided, accelerated” natural selection using animal models.

    A cheeky layman’s takedown of the Nature Medicine propaganda written by a virologist is found here:
    https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/03/19/china-owns-nature-magazines-ass-debunking-the-proximal-origin-of-sars-cov-2-claiming-covid-19-wasnt-from-a-lab/

    If anyone wants to know what went on at the Wuhan BSL-4 lab, subpoena all the grant reports at NIH- NIAID; interview Collins, Fauci and staff scientists, and do the same at EcoAlliance.

    COVID-19 was a major blunder (not at all unanticipated at that), not malicious, but mixed with a lot of hubris and now deceit. We CANNOT allow ourselves to be stampeded into a WMD-style catastrophe by unscrupulous and mendacious actors in this unfolding global crisis.

    Demand that the entire EcoAlliance grant file be disclosed for public inspection. This may be of great assistance in understand what experiments were underway at Wuhan- BSL-4.

    • “grossly misleading straw man arguments about irrelevant bio-engineering techniques”

      What I call the Monsanto bioweapon idea: the hypothesis that bioweapons are made like RR and Bt seeds, with well known methods and trivially detectable markers.

  26. WHO director-general Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus promised a review would come “at the earliest appropriate moment”

    I would like Dr. Erickson to review the report before publication /wishful thinking!

    There is a related interview from three weeks ago:
    Exclusive Interview w/ Dr. Dan Erickson
    2020-04-30 22min

    In this video Dr. Erickson criticizes the authorities for not having an exit plan ready before the lock-down.

  27. If, in fact, the SARS-CoV-2 virus is a ChiCom F#@% up, and if I have a naive outlook on this possibility that prevents me from perceiving the evidence, then I wonder why such labs are allowed to exist. Why is it not an international crime to engineer viruses that can take out humans?

    Given the widespread lack of discipline that I seem to observe in people today, how can we possibly trust that people working in these labs are following every single protocol, religiously, conscientiously, meticulously, consistently, without fail, 100% of the time? I just don’t see that society today nurtures the sort of people with this sort of intense discipline to follow standards, with absolutely committed integrity.

    There is no room for a slip up in this kind of endeavor. If slips are happening, then humans today have no business whatsoever messing with viruses in this way.

    I still see people in the everyday world, wearing their stylish face masks, touching them, wearing them around their necks half the time, sliding them off to talk on their mobile phones, only to pull them back up with their contaminated hands. It’s like SARS-CoV-2 can magically accommodate the space in their preferred behaviors that ignore the reality of chain-of-contamination.

    I know of a nurse who is morbidly obese and who smokes, who showed up to work at an assisted-living facility, coughing so intensely that she was throwing up in the bathroom on the job. This is a supposed HEALTH “professional”, who supposedly knows the guidelines of her profession, knowingly violating all those rules. Needing a job, needing to work, needing to cover up mistakes to keep a job, … all to make a living and to survive … can easily overpower technical guidelines.

    The point is that these two examples alone speak to the inability of even some supposedly trained and knowledgeable people to exercise the level of strictness necessary to have the desired effect of a stated guideline or procedure. Human error is just too likely. Humans have lazy moments. Some humans lack discipline. Some humans lack enough intelligence to do a procedure exactly right. And it’s sometimes hard to distinguish these people from other people, because they have the degrees, talk the talk, present the superficial appearances, … but in critical moments, they slip up, they get lazy, they hide their mistakes to survive.

    • Especially compared to the outrage caused by quite minor events like the Fukushima nuclear “catastrophe” that had trivial ecological and health effects in areas not bordering the plant.

  28. There is overwhelming evidence that COVID-19 originated in a laboratory:

    https://project-evidence.github.io/
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/exclusive-virus-researchers-uncover-evidence-implying-covid-19-was-created-in-a-lab

    Most likely, a team at the Wuhan virology lab extracted a colony of coronaviruses from a sick animal, and then cultured the colony in human cell-based nutrients to “human-enhance” them for viral-vector vaccine research. That was exactly the objective of their NIH-financed research. The most incriminating evidence is that the Chinese communist government has destroyed the lab where the research was done, and won’t allow the NIH to analyze the data and lab notes from this research, even though it was NIH-financed.

  29. The real investigation should be:

    How did an unremarkable flu virus trigger a worldwide panic? For that there are no easy answers.

  30. WHO ya gonna call? IPCC that’s WHO. At least they have an “i” in their name to get qualified.

  31. The guy who broke into your house and the guy he sold your stuff to are going to investigate your house being broken into? Got it.

  32. This is big news.

    The big thinkers at the CCP have made a mistake, that is going to change, the who pays for the covid damage, question.

    The sudden finding that the Bat Virus code is fake, explains, why there is suddenly an increase in aggressive CCP issued anti-US propaganda, all over the world.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-launches-new-twitter-accounts-90-000-tweets-covid-19-n1207991

    The bat virus code has sections with too many ‘naturally’ occurring mutations and sections with no mutations at all, which is unequivocally, indisputable evidence, that someone had a sample of real bat virus…..

    And that person changed the bat virus code to make it look like it evolved.

    The clumsy alterations of the bat virus code were done again and again by the Bat Lady, Shi Zhengli, who works at the Wuhan lab and who also destroyed the bat virus samples.

    Zhengli, filed the fake ‘bat’ virus code, January 2, 2020 into an academic database and claimed the virus code was ‘natural’.

    So, the finding that the Bat Lady altered the Bat virus and lied concerning the bat virus origins and that she mysteriously disappeared and then reappeared…

    Is proof that the CCP ordered the Bat Lady to do what she did.

    In China, CCP is big brother. People disappear and then reappear as robots who say and do exactly what the CCP has ordered then to do.

    In China, professionals and actually all sane people, do exactly what the CCP orders them to do.

    Excellent work from those who are the side of truth and our countries.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2020/05/is-coronavirus-man-made-the-bat-virus-it-evolved-from-appears-to-be-faked/

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