This is a research article published as information for health care professionals and public officials, and for an open peer review. It is not medical advice.
Summary
I reviewed the scientific literature on hydroxychloroquine (HCQ), azithromycin (AZ), and their use for COVID-19. My conclusions:
- HCQ-based treatments are effective in treating COVID-19, unless started too late.
- Studies, cited in opposition, have been misinterpreted, invalid, or worse.
- HCQ and AZ are some of the most tested and safest prescription drugs.
- Severe COVID-19 frequently causes cardiac effects, including heart arrhythmia. QTc prolonging drugs might amplify this tendency. Millions of people regularly take drugs having strong QTc prolongation effect, and neither FDA nor CDC bother to warn them. HCQ+AZ combination, probably has a mild QTc prolongation effect. Concerns over its negative effects, however minor, can be addressed by respecting contra-indications.
- Effectiveness of HCQ-based treatment for COVID-19 is hampered by conditions that are presented as precautions, delaying the onset of treatment. For examples, some states require that COVID-19 patients be treated with HCQ exclusively in hospital settings.
- The COVID-19 Treatment Panel of NIH evaded disclosure of the massive financial links of its members to Gilead Sciences, the manufacturer of a competing drug remdesivir. Among those who failed to disclose such links are 2 out of 3 of its co-chairs.
- Despite all the attempts by certain authorities to prevent COVID-19 treatment with HCQ and HCQ+AZ, both components are approved by FDA, and doctors can prescribe them for COVID-19.
Intro
Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) was accepted as a COVID-19 treatment by the medical community in the US and worldwide by early April. 67% of the US physicians said they would prescribe HCQ or chloroquine CQ for COVID-19 to a family member (Town Hall, 2020-04-08). An international poll of doctors rated HCQ the most effective coronavirus treatment (NY Post, 2020-04-02). On April 6, Peter Navarro told CNN that “Virtually Every COVID-19 Patient In New York Is Given Hydroxychloroquine.” This might explain decrease in COVID-19 deaths in the New York state after April 15. The time lag is because COVID-19 deaths happen on average 14 days after showing symptoms.
But on April 21, several perfectly coordinated events took place, attacking HCQ’s use for COVID-19 patients.
- The COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel of the National Institute of Health issued recommendations with negative-ambivalent stance regarding the use of HCQ as a COVID-19 treatment. This surprising stance was taken contrary to the ample evidence of the efficacy and safety of HCQ and despite absence evidence of its harm. The panel also strongly recommended against the use of hydroxychloroquine with azithromycin (AZ), the combination of choice among practitioners.
- On the same day, a paper (Magagnoli, 2020) was posted on a pre-print server medRxiv, insinuating that HCQ is not only ineffective, but even harmful. This not-yet peer reviewed paper, by unqualified authors with conflicts of interest, received wall-to-wall media coverage, as it if were a cancer cure. It used data from Veterans Administration hospitals, spicing its effects. The paper has shown to be somewhere between junk science and fraud.
- Rick Bright, a government official who was probably more responsible for the low level of preparedness to the epidemic than most others, and had been re-assigned to a lower position earlier, emerged as a “whistleblower.” He claimed he had been demoted for opposing hydroxychloroquine, the claim to be soon debunked by documents bearing his signature. The media also gave him a wall-to-wall coverage.
On April 24, the FDA struck its own blow, issuing a stern warning against use of HCQ for COVID-19 treatment.
While these warnings are not binding to doctors, they do produce a chilling effect. Consequently, either patients do not receive necessary treatment, or they receive it with a delay, sharper decreasing its effect. This allows detractors to question HCQ efficacy even more aggressively. Below, I review problems in the NIH COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines and other sources, used to wage anti-HCQ propaganda.
NIH Panel Guidelines
The relevant section of (COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel, 2020) is Potential Antiviral Drugs. The antiviral treatment recommendations (more accurately, failure to provide recommendations) include:
“Remdesivir
- There are insufficient clinical data to recommend either for or against the use of the investigational antiviral agent remdesivir for the treatment of COVID-19 (AIII).
Clinical Data to Date:
Only anecdotal data are available.“
“AIII” means a strong position based on expert opinion rather than on evidence.
“Chloroquine or Hydroxychloroquine
- There are insufficient clinical data to recommend either for or against using chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine for the treatment of COVID-19 (AIII).
- When chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine is used, clinicians should monitor the patient for adverse effects (AEs), especially prolonged QTc interval (AIII).
Clinical Data in COVID-19
The clinical data available to date on the use of chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 have been mostly from use in patients with mild, and in some cases, moderate disease; data on use of the drugs in patients with severe and critical COVID-19 are very limited.
[Follows is a description of some studies]“
Notice that CQ and HCQ are addressed together, although these are two different drugs, and HCQ is clearly superior to CQ both in efficiency and safety.
Also notice that the basic recommendation of “insufficient clinical data to recommend either for or against” is given to both HCQ and Remdesivir. However, the recommendation for HCQ goes further to state that when using HCQ, “clinicians should monitor the patient for adverse effects (AEs), especially prolonged QTc interval”. Practically, this means that HCQ should be used only in hospital settings. No such restrictions are set for Remdesivir, for which there is no clinical data available. It goes against all logic.
The demand to use HCQ only in hospital settings means:
- HCQ treatment will be delayed until a patient decides to be admitted to a hospital, thus lowering HCQ’s efficiency
- Hospitals will quickly become overwhelmed with COVID-19 patients
Then the Panel nixes HCQ+AZ:
“Hydroxychloroquine plus Azithromycin
- The COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel recommends against the use of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin for the treatment of COVID-19, except in the context of a clinical trial (AIII).“
This drug combination is the most effective and widely used treatment for COVID-19, and the Panel recommends against it!
The Panel criticizes some studies of patients’ treatment with HCQ+AZ for the absence of a control group. Stephen McIntyre tweeted about this argument long before the Panel used it: “there’s a very large control group of COVID19 patients not receiving this drug combination: hospitals and morgues are full of them.”
There are only two studies, quoted by the Panel against HCQ+AZ, (Molina, 2020) and (Chorin, 2020). Both are misinterpreted by the Panel.
Molina et al.
Despite (Molina, 2020)’s angry tone and aggressiveness, it reports no results contradicting efficiency of HCQ or HCQ+AZ. The paper describes treatment of 11 hospitalized COVID-19 patients, five of which had cancer, one had AIDS, and almost all were in a bad shape: “at the time of treatment initiation, 10 of the 11 patients had a fever and received nasal oxygen therapy.” Using HCQ+AZ, 10 of the patients’ lives were saved. The article’s point of contention is that when they tested these patients, 5-6 days after the treatment initiation, they still found CoV2 RNA in 8 out of 10. Virus RNA is a molecule. Some viral RNA remains in patients for weeks after full recovery, but it is neither harmful nor infectious. Detecting viral RNA depends on the sensitivity of the testing equipment. The study’s title is No evidence of rapid antiviral clearance or clinical benefit with the combination of hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in patients with severe COVID-19 infection seems to be lost on the Panel.
Chorin et al.
The Panel also quotes (Chorin, 2020) as evidence that HCQ+AZ therapy causes QTc prolongation. QTc prolongation is not a health condition itself, but a warning sign that a person is at higher risk of torsades de pointes (TdP), heart arrhythmia, or tachycardia, which might lead to cardiac arrest and death (Simpson, 2020).
Nevertheless, none of the patients, treated with HCQ+AZ, suffered TdP or arrhythmia. Four patients died, but none of them had an arrhythmia. Other studies, in which COVID-19 patients are treated with HCQ+AZ, reported taking patients off this medicine after QTc exceeds 500ms. But the treatment may have already had its effect at that time or later, while HCQ remained in the bloodstream.
This study has no control group. It provides no information on whether QTc prolongation was caused by the disease or the therapy.
FDA Warning
(FDA WARNING, 2020), issued on April 24, piggybacks on the COVID-19 Panel Guidelines. It says
Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine can cause abnormal heart rhythms such as QT interval prolongation and a dangerously rapid heart rate called ventricular tachycardia.
This statement is confused, and probably not true about hydroxychloroquine. See below.
Be aware that there are no proven treatments for COVID-19 …
I think that HCQ+AZ is a proven treatment for COVID-19. There is a difference between proven treatment and approved treatment. HCQ+AZ is not approved but proven, because many patients have been treated with this combination and have recovered.
We have reviewed case reports … concerning serious heart-related adverse events and death in patients with COVID-19 receiving hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine, either alone or combined with azithromycin or other QT prolonging medicines. These adverse events were reported from the hospital and outpatient settings for treating or preventing COVID-19, and included QT interval prolongation, ventricular tachycardia and ventricular fibrillation, and in some cases death.
These are manifestations of COVID-19! See (Bansal, 2020) and (Wang, et al., 2020). The media hysteria played its role, too. The articles about the supposed dangers of HCQ, with detailed description of the symptoms, triggered complaints even before the April 24 warning. And there are people who tried to self-medicate – in the situation when authorities make it difficult to obtain prescription for HCQ – and took the wrong drug or overdosed. Also, QT interval prolongation is not an event, but an early warning.
To help FDA track safety issues with medicines, we urge patients and health care professionals to report side effects involving hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine or other medicines to the FDA MedWatch program, using the information in the “Contact FDA” box at the bottom of the page.
Such an urging and advertisement guarantee that the FDA will receive mountains of complaints.
HCQ and AZ Safety
HCQ, CQ, and AZ
HCQ & CQ are two different drugs. HCQ is clearly superior to CQ. HCQ has already been selected over CQ. Discussing these two drugs as if they were co-equal in COVID-19 treatment is misleading and a sign of bad faith.
HCQ and AZ are some of the most widely prescribed drugs and have been prescribed for decades. HCQ is as safe as a prescription drug can be. AZ is an antibiotic, and it is as safe as an antibiotic can be.
Because these drugs have been prescribed so widely, their adverse effects have been studied. A few adverse events associated with them have been reported. Combining these few anecdotal cases, some medical researchers have raised some concern, as a precaution. Doctors understand this. Statisticians understand this. But unscrupulous media uses this information to mislead the naïve public and even public figures
Remdisivir is the opposite. It has been developed very recently and has been scarcely used. There is little information about its adverse effects. The corrupt news networks present this lack of evidence of adverse effects as evidence of the absence of adverse effects.
CredibleMeds
The leading objection against HCQ / HCQ+AZ is possible QTc prolongation. Most professionals refer to (CredibleMeds.org, 2020) which puts both HCQ and AZ in the category of Known Risk of TdP (KR).
I think that HCQ was listed in that category by mistake. A review of the literature reveals only few anecdotal cases. Some of them are poisoning by large overdoses of HCQ. Then there are patients who were on HCQ for years, suddenly got sick and recovered when HCQ was withdrawn. While there are millions of people continuously taking HCQ, only a few cases of cardiac events have been reported. Even if HCQ was the cause of these rare cases, which is usually unknown, it is still statistically insignificant. It is much safer than driving. Other antivirals are known to cause QTc prolongation too but are not being pulled from practice. In the case of HCQ, it seems that a precaution principle has prevailed over statistical reasoning and common sense.
AZ is in the KR category, just like many other antibiotics, including Erythromycin. I have never heard of patients requiring QTc monitoring, when taking Erythromycin.
Attention of the Trump Derangement Syndrome crowd: many widely used psycho-active drugs are also listed in the KR category. That includes anti-psychotic Haloperidol, anti-depressants Escitalopram (Cipralex, Lexapro) and Citalopram (Celexa).
American College of Cardiology
The most reliable source of information about arrhythmia risks is the American College of Cardiology. (Simpson, 2020) in the Cardiology Magazine:
Chloroquine, and its more contemporary derivative hydroxychloroquine, have remained in clinical use for more than a half-century as an effective therapy for treatment of some malarias, lupus, and rheumatoid arthritis. … Despite these suggestive findings, several hundred million courses of chloroquine have been used worldwide making it one of the most widely used drugs in history, without reports of arrhythmic death under World Health Organization surveillance.
HCQ is even milder than CQ.
Azithromycin, a frequently used macrolide antibiotics lacks strong pharmacodynamic evidence of iKr inhibition [associated with QT prolongation]. Epidemiologic studies have estimated an excess of 47 cardiovascular deaths which are presumed arrhythmic per 1 million completed courses, although recent studies suggest this may be overestimated.
In other words, after over 50 years of effective use, HCQ and AZ have proven their safety and efficacy. There is no reason for fear, except the fear itself. But some people might be vulnerable, so the article explains how to calculate an individual Risk Score for QTc prolongers. Individuals with higher Risk Score might need QTc monitoring. Also, the authors suggest avoiding other QTc prolonging medications in the time of HCQ+AZ treatment.
The cardiologists who wrote this article did not dismiss the concern. They explained the science pertaining to it and suggest proper mitigation measures.
Other literature also suggests low risk of HCQ and AZ. (Prutkin, 2020):
Limited data on hydroxychloroquine suggest it has a low risk of causing TdP, based on its use for rheumatoid arthritis, systemic lupus erythematosus, and antimalarial therapy. … For these medications [HCQ and AZ], their time window of use is short duration, which is another reason the risk of TdP may be lower
HCQ and AZ have other known contra-indications, but they are out of the scope here.
COVID-19 caused Arrhythmia
Many studies show that COVID-19 causes heart arrhythmia. Cardiac arrest, not directly caused by respiratory damage, is one of the leading direct causes of COVID-19 deaths.
(Bansal, 2020) is a review. It finds that
COVID-19 is primarily a respiratory illness but cardiovascular involvement can occur through several mechanisms.
Acute cardiac injury is the most reported cardiovascular abnormality in COVID-19, with average incidence 8-12%
Both tachy- and brady-arrhythmias are known to occur in COVID-19. A study describing clinical profile and outcomes in 138 Chinese patients with COVID-19 reported 16.7% incidence of arrhythmia. The incidence was much higher (44.4%) in those requiring ICU admission …
It also notes that CoV2 virus might cause cardiac injury directly or indirectly. The possibility of a treatment impact is mentioned as a less likely one.
(Wang, et al., 2020) finds that 44% of the patients transferred to ICU developed arrhythmia. None of them received HCQ or CQ. Most of the patients received an unrelated anti-viral and an antibiotic. Only in 18% of the patients the antibiotic was AZ. At least some of the patients developed an arrhythmia before the treatment.
(Hawryluk, 2020):
Doctors have found that the infection can mimic a heart attack. They have taken patients to the cardiac catheterization lab to clear a suspected blockage, only to find the patient wasn’t really experiencing a heart attack but had COVID-19.
Thus, the hypothesis that CVOID-19 patients experience QTc prolongation and arrhythmia because of the disease, rather than due to HCQ+AZ treatment, is well founded. AZ may increase the odds of QTc prolongation in COVID-19 patients, who would otherwise die from cardiac arrest or multiple organs failure.
The media and professional publications report a sharp increase of mortality from cardiac arrest at home in the last few weeks. Some of these cases are known to be COVID-19, but most of them are not tested. Could many of them be happening due to the cardiac damage caused by COVID-19? Can the cardiac impact of COVID-19 be aggravated by strong QTc prolongers that many people take regularly? There are countless variables confounding this statistic. There is an especially sharp increase in home cardiac arrests in New York, which is usually explained by people’s reluctance to call an ambulance or ER.
(Kochi, 2020) provides in-depth explanation of the cardiac effects of respiratory infections and interaction with QTc prolongation medications.
Positive Cardiac Effects of HCQ
Gone unmentioned are HCQ’s positive cardiac effects. They were widely reported before HCQ had misfortune of being mentioned by President Trump. For example, Taking Hydroxychloroquine for RA or Lupus Can Reduce Heart Risk by 17%
If you take the anti-malarial drug hydroxychloroquine (Plaquenil) as part of your treatment for lupus or rheumatoid arthritis (RA), you may be getting cardiovascular protection as an added bonus.
The article is based on (Jorge, 2019). These findings might be applicable only to long term taking of HCQ, not a 5-day course for COVID-19, but the same can be said about the alleged negative cardiac effects.
Articles/Studies criticizing HCQ
Listed here are several other papers, influential in the media, but not in the science. These papers span the range from erroneous to … non-existent.
Magagnoli et al.
(Magagnoli, 2020) is a not peer-reviewed pre-print. It makes a retrospective statistical comparison of the outcome in COVID-19 patients, who received HCQ or HCQ+AZ treatment prior to April 11, in Veterans Affairs hospitals. In the Abstract, it claims that a larger percentage of HCQ treated patients died compared to untreated patients. This ignores the fact that HCQ or HCQ+AZ treatment was given only in the most desperate cases, frequently as compassionate care. Deep inside of the manuscript, it does acknowledge that initial conditions of the HCQ and HCQ+AZ groups was much worse than those of the untreated group, but then ignores it
The original version (archived) of the “study” was published on April 21. It received crushing criticism in the comments and was replaced with another one on April 23, hiding those comments. Casting even further doubt on the credibility of this study, one of the authors disclosed Gilead funding for another research. This work was funded by a NIH grant.
Despite its multiple flaws, lack of peer review, and obscurity of the authors, this pre-print immediately received wall-to-wall media coverage. Given these circumstances, this work looks like a criminal fraud, rather than a scientific one.
Tang et al.
(Tang, 2020) is a not peer-reviewed pre-print. It reports results of a clinical trial in China, in which HCQ was given to patients 16-17 days after onset of the disease. This is too late for an anti-viral to work. Thus, this study describes the incorrect use of HCQ, rather than efficacy or safety of the drug. From the comments:
With an average delay of 16 days from symptom onset to enrollment and treatment in this trial, those patients are pretty much past the viral phase of the disease, where an antiviral treatment would have the most value, and are well on their way to pneumonia and a cytokine storm problem, which is ultimately what kills.
Once again, despite its obvious errors, the study was widely covered, including the New York Times and LA Times. Neither headline nor article addresses the obvious lateness of the drug’s application.
Mahevas et al.
(Mahevas, 2020) is another not peer-reviewed pre-print. Didier Raoult and his colleagues replied to it with a bluntness, rare in scientific journals: Scientific fraud to demonstrate the lack of efficacy of hydroxychloroquine compared to placebo in a non-randomized retrospective cohort of patients with Covid: Response to MAHEVAS et al. , MedRxiv, 2020. (Brouqui, et al., 2020). (Mahevas, 2020) also gathered many negative comments on MedRxiv.
Oral Statements of Holtgrave & Cuomo
A study of 600 patients at 22 hospitals in New York is being conducted by the University at Albany School of Public Health under the management of dean David Holtgrave. Although the study was not finished, Mr. Holtgrave already announced that the results are negative: “We don’t see a statistically significant difference between patients who took the drugs [HCQ, HCQ+AZ] and those who did not,” according to CNN. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo referred to the results as neither positive nor negative, per CNN and ABC.
No paper, or even pre-print, reporting these results, has been published, as of April 29 (searches on Google Scholar, PubMed, and medRxiv were conducted for Holtgrave hydroxychloroquine; Holtgrave COVID-19).
New York and other “resistance” states make patients jump through hoops to obtain HCQ. As an anti-viral, it should be taken as soon as possible. Dr. Vladimir Zelenko explained that in his letter, which is worth reading in its entirety:
It is essential to start treatment against Covid-19 immediately upon clinical suspicion of infection and not to wait for confirmatory testing. There is a very narrow window of opportunity to eliminate the virus before pulmonary complications begin. The waiting to treat is the essence of the problem.
He refers to patients in the high-risk category – older than 60, having certain health conditions, or shortness of breath. The resistance states established onerous requirements that delay HCQ treatment for days. This sharply lowers the efficiency of the treatment, and possibly increases TdP risks. The mixed results, promised by Mr. Holtgrave, might be caused by this delay.
Russia
On March 28, Russia announced a COVID-19 treatment based on Mefloquine. Mefloquine, invented in the US in 1970s, is another anti-malaria drug, similar to HCQ. In the West, Mefloquine was withdrawn from use after a controversy about its long-term effects. Russia might also use HCQ. From a Russian brochure (Nikiforov, 2020):
These drugs have a comprehensive negative effect on the coronavirus. It may take years of scientific experimentation to understand how and what exactly they affect. Now the fact of a positive effect has been established, and the drugs should and will be used.
The mechanisms of HCQ and HCQ+AZ action are explained (Hache & Raoult, 2020).
WHO
On March 27, WHO erected another roadblock to treating COVID-19 patients with HCQ. WHO stated that HCQ was not only insufficiently tested (which was true at that time), but that it was considered for COVID-19 at much higher doses than for malaria.
In the context of the COVID-19 response, the dosage and treatment schedules for chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine that are currently under consideration do not reflect those used for treating patients with malaria. The ingestion of high doses of these medicines may be associated with adverse or seriously adverse health outcomes.
This is dangerous misinformation. HCQ dosage for COVID-19 is the same or lower than for malaria (Drugs.com, 2019). WHO was aware of this, because it was already conducting clinical trials including HCQ and a number of other Big Pharma drugs. Yet, as of April 29, this paragraph still appears there. This act alone justifies not only defunding but ignoring WHO.
Google and Facebook adhered to WHO on everything related to COVID-19. Together with Twitter, they purged information favorable to HCQ. These is outrageous behavior for telecommunications and computational services providers.
Remarks
- It seems that the main contra-indication for HCQ treatment of COVID-19 is that no treatment is needed for healthy individuals below age 50.
- Persons in the President’s circle were claiming that HCQ / HCQ+AZ are unproven treatments. That might have been true a month ago, but not now. These drugs are proven by practice and by failure of its opponents to disprove their efficacy and relative safety.
- The Guidelines are accompanied by a financial disclosure of the panel members. Weirdly, this disclosure covers a period of 11 months: May 1, 2019 to March 31, 2020. The latest three weeks were excluded for some reason. Nevertheless, 9 out of 50 members of the panel disclosed financial ties to Gilead. Gilead’s Remdesivir is an inferior competitor to HCQ – more expensive, almost untested, and less efficient (as far as the little testing with it has shown). HCQ is a generic drug with low profit margin. Gilead Sciences directly participates in WHO trials of Remdesivir as a COVID-19 treatment.
- HCQ / HCQ+AZ are prescribed by a doctor. They are not OTC and should not be used for self-medication.
- HCQ+AZ is the most common treatment. HCQ acts on its own but is much more effective with Zinc; AZ is an antibiotic and a source of Zinc. See Dr. Zelenko’s regimen is HCQ+AZ+Zinc.
- There is a live document by Michael J. A. Robb, M.D., tracking effectiveness of HCQ-based treatments https://drive.google.com/file/d/1w6p_HqRXCrW0_wYNK7m_zpQLbBVYcvVU/view
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It would be interesting to know where the tribesmen of the Masai Mara in Africa have suffered any I’ll effects from this disease, because traditionally and to this day they bleed their living cattle, and mixing the blood with milk from the same beast, drink copious amounts on a daily basis. Traditionally this “medicine” sustains the constitution and prevents and cures many diseases. What is the rational scientific reason for that? Many “westerners” think the habit barbaric and disgusting, but they do not have to live out their lives in the Masai Mara though. Does this only work with Masai cattle, or are cows of the High Chaparral suitable subjects too? The beasts are used to, and do not object having their blood taken, and do not suffer ill effects from that, for it is soon replaced by their natural haemolytic system.
“Big Pharma” won’t make billions from such treatment though, so don’t expect any funding for research into it anytime soon, in Western medical laboratories.
Discuss.
With life expectancy in the lower 40’s, I doubt that the Masai will suffer much from the disease because relatively few reach the age of being at risk.
You may right about lower life expectancy, and bacterial pneumonia seems to account for a large proportion of disease related deaths among the tribes, because although very successful treatments for such ailment is widely available in the West, Masai tribes people can’t usually get that. It is notable though very few viral CoViD cases or deaths recorded, in fact just a single death (1) to date. Though closure of cattle markets due to Kenyan & Tanzanian government lockdowns, has seriously affected their income, and way of life as this article in Forbes Magazine shows.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewwight/2020/04/05/why-are-kenyas-maasai-changing-ancient-habits-covid-19/
In colonial days, when a Witch Doctor was unable to cure a person, but an MD was, it convinced many that there was more to medicine than what the Witch Doctor knew.
Trials of drugs which ameliorate symptoms, allowing earlier recovery must be hell to test as a double blind trial.
1st you need apparently to treat within the period where patients have a possibility of not showing symptoms – how do you know they have covid?
how do you know when they got infected?
This does not kill virus but possibly helps the body deal with the effects of the virus
Most people recover without aid anyway.
How do you know if you treated within the required time on a patient who would not spontaneously recover?
https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2020/astrazeneca-and-oxford-university-announce-landmark-agreement-for-covid-19-vaccine.html
A vaccine has been developed in Oxford UK and injected into volunteers. Initially thes tests will prove that the vaccine does not kill. But how will they test that it is effective???? A double blind trial is needed, but do you then have to expose the subjects to SARS-CoV-2 and see which get COVID19 – seems a bit harsh!
Although the vaccine is sufficiently far advanced that they have formed an alliance with Astra-Zeneca there are still many reasons that this may fail (see – thalidomide).
[The potential vaccine entered Phase I clinical trials last week to study safety and efficacy in healthy volunteers aged 18 to 55 years, across five trial centres in Southern England. Data from the Phase I trial could be available next month. Advancement to late-stage trials should take place by the middle of this year.]
[ChAdOx1 nCoV-19
Developed at the University of Oxford’s Jenner Institute, and working with the Oxford Vaccine Group, ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 uses a viral vector based on a weakened version of the common cold (adenovirus) containing the genetic material of SARS-CoV-2 spike protein. After vaccination, the surface spike protein is produced, which primes the immune system to attack COVID-19 if it later infects the body.
The recombinant adenovirus vector (ChAdOx1) was chosen to generate a strong immune response from a single dose and it is not replicating, so cannot cause an ongoing infection in the vaccinated individual. Vaccines made from the ChAdOx1 virus have been given to more than 320 people to date and have been shown to be safe and well tolerated, although they can cause temporary side effects such as a temperature, flu-like symptoms, headache or sore arm.]
IMHO these are not “side effects”, these are the actual effects of inducing an immune system response to invasion of the body, by some foreign antigen. Vaccine induced symptoms can be quite as damaging to some people as an infective dose of some noxious pathogen itself. See “Autism” & vaccine damage claims. The UK Government for example has a whole department, and claimants rights legislation governing such claims. Vaccines, whilst they can be effective in many cases, are not risk free.
Thank you for this article. I do believe WUWT has saved lives by calling attention to these drugs so early. I found the in-vitro studies to be smack you in the face convincing, and then we watched as future studies ignored that data and underperscibed the medicine dosages, didn’t use the combinations they should and ignored the fact that it was most effective if given early rather than with last ditch effort.
The VA study which concluded a negative effect was biased to a Mannian degree. They took all VA patients and sorted into 3 groups. No HCQ, HCQ only and HCQ + zpack. No effort was made to assess the sickness level of any of the groups. This was mentioned but hand waived away. Any doctor or patient giving these drugs as last resort would result in a healthy bias toward the no HCQ group and a negative outcome for the study.
I’ve considered writing my own paper on their data.
HCQ is known to not harm patients but it was shown that statistically HCQ harmed people. Instead of looking closer at the health bias in their data, the authors concluded that HCQ hurts people. (We know how these jokers vote now). The HCQ+ zpack tied what seems pretty obviously the healthier patients.
If you get it, you need to follow the french studies dosages. They read the in-vitro studies and understood them. You need to get the drugs early in the process rather than wait for a ventilator.
I know I will be doing this if I get symptoms from this.
The NY study which shows no positive impact, likely has the same bias per the abstract but as the article notes, it has not been published.
Thank you WUWT for this amazing service.
Again, the attack studies and the negative results have 100% been flawed efforts. Flawed in how much dosage they give, flawed in how the patients are sorted, and flawed in conclusion.
Dittos to what Jeff wrote. Nowhere else but WUWT has HCQ been analyzed and discussed in such detail and so early on.
Given that 65% of doctors are prescribing it, some of that acceptance is probably due to WUWT. Trump alone did not convince them. Studies in France and elsewhere were certainly persuasive, but right here the story of HCQ has been explored in depth.
WUWT has thus saved lives, possibly by the thousands. Think of that.
This website has been a forum for climate realism. That too has probably saved thousands of lives. If there hadn’t been pushback on the alarmist agenda, who knows how many people would have perished in the madness of authoritarians running amok.
Naysayers are allowed and even welcome. There is value in scientific debate. WUWT is and has been the very best public site for those debates. The discussions here are usually theoretical and “academic”, but there are often real world consequences associated. HCQ is one of those.
Thank you Anthony, mods, contributors and supporters for giving us this gem of a website. You are real lifesavers.
Amen!
I think the abject stupidity of the counter arguments convinced doctors: if that all you have to offer as “arguments” against that idea, the idea must be sound.
Seriously, a drug used by millions of people being suddenly described as terribly unsafe? Doesn’t pass the smell test, even for people with no medical expertise.
And we know the ignorant stupid clueless soulless propagandists are only peddling Big Pharma talking points, so all the stupidity doesn’t come from these stupid people.
Hydroxychloroquine plus Azithromycine plus zinc can be augmented with Invermectin. Invermectin is a anti-parasitic drug found to have anti-viral activity. Some doctors substitute doxycycline for Azithromycin . Some doctors are trying just Invermectin and Zinc together for patients early in infection. Remdesivir is given intravenously.
RMoore
You left out the part about jumping up and down while rubbing your belly and patting your head, followed by a backward roll, all while reciting “Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious” as quickly as you can, AFTER drinking the HCQ/Az/Zn smoothie.
Oops! I got that prescription wrong. You are supposed to PAT your belly and RUB your head.
So, now I know your preferred reading 😀 😀
It has side effects too 😀 😀
Assault on Hydroxychloroquine
LMAO
Thank you Leo Goldstein for this comprehensive work. A real eye-opener.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/debunking-hydroxychloroquine-controversy
When the medical establishment goes this far to “debunk and disprove” something you just know the reason has to be that “it works but there is NO MONEY in it for them and their owners”. LMAO.
” hydroxycholoroquine is what they should have tested but they tested chloroquine diphosphate ”
Why do they test the WRONG compound and conflate the 2? Relying on the ignorance of the masses who only read the headline would be my guess.
” In another study hydroxychloroquine was given to sicker patients, closer to death, when we know HCQ works best when given early on. And zinc, a key component to its efficacy, wasn’t administered. Nor was azithromycin in a number of cases. ”
ROTFLMAO. This is just getting so bizarre as to defy description. Sorry Dr Fauci and Mr Gates but we don’t need your vaccine and chip implants.
It is not bizarre at all. It is a purposeful plan to gain political advantage. The Deep State still can not get over the fact that the people of the US actually chose a president that was not approved by them!
The Hippocratic oath should be independant of political belief and not be mixed up with TDS.
Sadly it is totally forgotten or ignored by a lot of doctors these days. “Money, money, money” seems to be their new oath.
Exactly. If it will damage Trump, who cares if a few people die early. In fact, the more the better.
And yet all of this insures he will be re-elected. Democrats are going on TV and in print defending China and attacking American citizens. #4moreyears!
“Orange man bad” then? Any horrific consequence that might be possibly vaguely attributable is tolerated or even encouraged by the rabid Malthusian nihilist fraternity? Shame on you!
A common sense approach should be:
1. Do we have an effective treatment? Yes -use it. No, go to Point 2.
2. Do we have a drug that might help rather than harm? Try it.
3. If you refuse to try it, you actually harm your patients.
Chloroquine is not a very specific drug. The less specific a drug is the more side effects you get and the higher the dosage has to be to get the desired effect.
I haven’t seen the in vitro data how high the applied concentration for the antiviral effect had to be. You first have to know this. Then you have to know if you can reach this concentration at the site of infection and if this concentration comes without strong side effects or not.
Then you can try to see if it translates into action in patients.
Same problem with Remsdisivir. It has a very unspecific way of action that not only affects the replication of the viral RNA but also of the body’s own RNA. No wonder you got this approved for Ebola cause possible strong side effects are better then being dead.
If you mean hydroxychloroquine, its side effects have been studied extensively for decades.
Side effects vary with concentration. Therefore it is important to know the effective concentration from the in vitro experiments. The dosage for established treatments of conditions with HQC might be different.
Let’s wait for results of peer reviewed double-blind studies. Meanwhile, let people die because the science had not been established.
Meanwhile, let people get infected and die because they believe there is a “game changer” on the market just hidden by big pharma.
Oh, you know of a better treatment? Please share.
The best treatment is to not get the disease. Social distancing, hygiene and masks work.
People in favor of hydroxycloroquine sell it as a game changer that we can go back to business as usual. That is not only delusional it is fricking dangerous to give people this false illusion of safety.
People who caught the disease can try. I am not against this. The evidence so far just does not encourage me to have high hopes.
We will return to normal, feel free to hide in your basement though. Majority of people have little or no symptoms from this, a portion of population has moderate to severe flu symptoms from this, a tiny minority have severe to fatal reaction. Quarantine those who will be most severely effected by this, let all the rest of us move on with life, your basement beckons and be sure to lock the door behind you.
Oh, and of course the plasma treatment seems to work quite well. As there are now a lot of people who have recovered if I really want to do something to safe patients I would emphasize this.
“People in favor of hydroxycloroquine sell it as a game changer that we can go back to business as usual.” Link, please.
Ron, how are people getting infected because they believe say, that the Raoult protocole is useful and has little risks, esp. with good cardiac supervision, the only significant risk being the cardiac side effect of the bi-therapy, esp. with low potassium?
You are reading the threads here, aren’t you?
https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-stephen-smith-on-effectiveness-of-hydroxychloroquine-with-coronavirus-symptoms-beginning-of-the-end-of-the-pandemic
Curious
Yes, better that some die from the drug than from the disease!
niceguy
You claimed, “… the only significant risk being the cardiac side effect …” Link please.
Ron, if you don’t want to answer a simple question, that’s fine. Don’t bother us.
“Ron, how are people getting infected because they believe say, that the Raoult protocole is useful and has little risks”
Same way as people fooled around before HIV when there were no penicillin-resistant strains of STDs.
The availability of a cure changes people’s behavior.
So you better make sure your cure really works before you announce it.
Seriously, the many (very serious) SE of Plaquenil are over very long term. The only serious argument that I have seen from skeptics is that the drug combined with the macrolide creates increased cardiac risk and that COVID also causes low potassium.
The French MD who is promoting Plaquenil on TV the most, Pr Perrone, is very careful about checking with a cardiologist before treatment when there is any doubt.
But of course, a drug that interfere with RNA is going to have SE. It does not targets Kung Flu RNA!
AFAIK the dosage used is the standard dosage for prophylactic use against malaria. Of course, like when taken for the treatment of malaria, that is the weekly dosage taken daily for a few days.
That usage has a track-record of, what, 50 years? And that with many millions of users (per year), in those days.
As George says: “If you mean hydroxychloroquine, its side effects have been studied extensively for decades.”
RX-list doesn’t list the incidence rate of any side-effects, but they are mostly rather rare. The few which are mentioned in the warnings section are more common (or serious enough in combination with the incidence).
https://www.rxlist.com/plaquenil-drug.htm#side_effects
The older chloroquine seems to have a slightly better side-effect profile. But that may be misleading as this is likely based upon older test standards.
https://www.rxlist.com/aralen-drug.htm#interactions
In either case, when compared to the disease (COVID-19) this looks like a rather benign side-effect profile to me.
Or when compared to Lariam. Lariam (& similar) is now used in most areas because the malaria parasite has become immune in many countries (except the region of Mexico I think), has a much worse profile. Known to cause serious neurological & neuropsychiatric issues (psychosis, headaches etc) after just a few weeks (which NATO soldiers in ME & Asia used for much too long periods with often bad side effects).
The question is if the administered dosage for treating malaria translates into a concentration at the site of infection in the body anywhere near the concentration for the antiviral effect described in vitro.
If that is not the case it’s questionable to get any benefit.
Keep questioning, and let people die without trying something that might help. I don’t like Trump, but I am not progressive enough to let people die just because he mentioned HCQ as a potential treatment..
People can take whatever they like. I am just trying to understand the scientific evidence if HQC has a chance to do what is proposed to do in vivo or if it is pharmacological impossible.
That is not an academic question. That holds true for a lot of drug candidates that were promising in vitro but failed in vivo.
It is working, if you don’t want to take it then don’t. As with any pharmaceutical item you will find people who have adverse reactions, thats just how life is.
I would like to help you understand the head post, but how?
There is no in vitro study linked in the main article.
My apology. There is a reference, but to in vivo, not in vitro – Hache, G. & Raoult, D. e. a., 2020. Combination of hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin as potential treatment for COVID 19 patients: pharmacology, safety profile, drug interactions and management of toxicity.. Mediterranee Infection, 22 April. (no link given)
I tried to google it, no results.
jaap
You stated, “AFAIK the dosage used is the standard dosage for prophylactic use against malaria.” OK, we have a long history of usage to establish that the dosage is generally well-tolerated and effective at killing the malarial parasite. How do we know that happens to be the optimal dosage for a virus? What are the chances that the two would be the same?
@Curios George
“My apology. There is a reference, but to in vivo, not in vitro”
Looked at it. Interesting data about serum concentration of HCQ:
0.46 µg/ml.
MW of HCQ is 335.87 g/mol makes 1.37 µM.
That is some useful information.
Here is the in vitro study that started all the hype:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32020029
They claim their EC90 is 6.90 µM.
That is significantly off from what you get in the serum.
But that is not the issue I have with this and other in vitro studies I found.
1) All the studies are using Vero-6 cells as a model. That is an aneuploid kidney monkey cell line. Not even from a rhesus monkey. People like to use it because it is easily infected but the concentrations used in these cells are not telling you something about the effectiveness and more important anything about toxicity for not immortalized cell lines.
2) The lowest really effective concentration in the studies (MERS, SARS, SARS-CoV-2) in Vero-2 cells is 10 µM (which they used for the western blot). That one is toxic for non-immortalized human cells even for short exposure.
3) From the way the drugs were applied there could be a direct extracellular effect on the virus. Actually, the results point into this direction.
4) Vero-6 cells and a lot of other cell lines are not very efficient to measure replication of the SARS virus:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1075706/
I don’t know how well that translates for SARS-CoV-2 but the study addresses NOT the replication which is THE mode of action people are claiming is affected by Zn and HCQ.
Curious
Your statement, as it stands is true. However, I challenge you to find information on how frequently the various reported side-effects occur. I challenge you to demonstrate that anything is known about sex differences in the expression of side-effects. I challenge you to provide information on how the side-effects present by age, other than a general warning about the dosage for children. I challenge you to present a table of how HCQ interacts with other commonly used drugs. What, if any, genetic markers predispose someone to particular side-effects? In other words, the details about side-effects are largely unknown!
Are you aware that the common precautions for HCQ recommend avoiding sunlight while using it? This is for a drug most commonly used (at least in the past) for people going to the tropics!
Leo
Thank you for casting light on this subject. Seems to me the proper focus should be on treatment not on mortality. Unfortunately Hydroxychloroquine has been attacked by Orange Man Bad syndrome. It seems that the Google search engine has made it hard to find the available information on this subject. That could be as simple as because it is off patent there is no advertisement at all levels for its use. I am also surprised at how the results of the various studies are hard to find. Once again it may be there is no advertisement money.
Thank You Leo and Thank you Anthony for making the information available.
Terry? A tip, don’t use googly to search for anything, might as well just go on fartbook and ask any random group of millennial basement dwellers to get “facts”.
2hotel9
Yes indeed.
I have a string of posts on fartbook which have a little window over them saying they are factually in dispute, one is about the world being round. Anything posted from googly does not get the little window treatment, no matter how factually incorrect they may be. MarkeeMark has not gotten back to me about why this is. Imagine that.
UMC Hospital in Las Vegas prescribes HCQ and sends the patients home. Those needing hospitalization are admitted, of course.
Result – Hospital is not overwhelmed with patients only there for observation because of *not scientific* bureaucratic diktats.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/videos/umc-is-now-prescribing-hydroxychloroquine-for-covid-19-outpatients/
I have read and plotted data from Raoult’s study, and two other retrospective studies. The retrospective studies were for very ill patients with significant comorbidities, with an overall death rate of around 25% – so clearly not relevant to the population as a whole. The retrospective studies actually did a poor job of selecting the cohorts, and most damning of all, in 19 cases HCQ therapy was started only after the patients were put on ventilators, so clearly a desperation move by the doctors, yet these deaths were counted as HCQ resulting deaths!
Raoult’s first study split 36 patients who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 into 3 groups, a control, HCQ treated, and HCQ + Az treated. The patients were daily tested for the virus, and the results were clearly that the HCQ + Az patients cleared their viral load more quickly than HCQ alone, who cleared more rapidly than the control group. The study was criticized for missing data, but the missing data doesn’t impact the results. Most of the missing data was for people who tested positive prior to and subsequent to the missing data day, and so was almost certainly a missing positive (for the virus) result. One can almost imagine the researchers not bothering to swab the patient who was clearly still in the throes of the disease.
A second larger study of his was criticized for not having Randomized Controlled Trials. That of course would be the best way to test the efficacy of the treatment, but based on his preliminary results, he thought it was unethical to withhold this treatment. To that end, as a pilot, I enjoyed this wicked bit of British humour…
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G2d8W844wkcsBkvClKbE0GdR-Q_diJwA/view?usp=sharing
<i<and most damning of all, in 19 cases HCQ therapy was started only after the patients were put on ventilators,
An other as bad proven treatment…..
The problem with these diseases/treatments is that
– the treatment is an antiviral that must be taken early
– we still don’t know why it kills some individuals and not others (incl. some world war vets who got off Covid)
– very few people will die anyway
so in order to measure to a decrease of the death rate, which is small, we would need a huge group.
So another measure is used for the RCT. But time to recovery is subjective, esp. for small difference.
I read somewhere that the Gilead trial was double blind and elsewhere it’s open label, so I don’t know what’s going on.
David Joyce May 2, 2020 at 7:41 am
Raoult’s first study split 36 patients who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 into 3 groups, a control, HCQ treated, and HCQ + Az treated. The patients were daily tested for the virus, and the results were clearly that the HCQ + Az patients cleared their viral load more quickly than HCQ alone, who cleared more rapidly than the control group. The study was criticized for missing data, but the missing data doesn’t impact the results.
As I recall it was 42 patients, of which 6 left the trial, four were too sick to continue three ended up in the ICU and one who died. Those were not included in the results.
These adverse events…included QT interval prolongation, ventricular tachycardia and ventricular fibrillation, and in some cases death.
To what extent would those of us walking around with defibrillator/pacemakers be protected from these side effects?
As a pharmacist for 38 years I dispensed many prescriptions for Hydroxychloroquine.
One allergic reaction (skin rash) and a few upset stomachs which required taking with food and/or water.
Zero heart or eye side effects including one patient who took it for 15+ years and died in her 90s due to totally un-related heart issues (congenital heart defect).
I had not idea my pharmacist is tracking my health care and those of all of his customers, including the tests my doctor does to make sure I am getting the right drugs in the right amount and if something is a problem, switches me to someone else.
Are you saying you know everything about all of your customers for 38 years?
How are you not in jail for HIPAA violations?
So yes Pharmacists do actually need to know about the medicines, and prescriptions from which they issue drugs as a result of receiving from doctors. Pharmacists need to know about interactions between different drugs taken at the same time, and more often than not know more about the actions of pharmaceuticals than the general practitioners who prescribe them. Its not like a sweet shop assistant dispensing sugar boilings or peppermint pandrops from a large jar you know.
Some pharmacists, (chemists or drugstores) at least in Europe anyway, also have a general practitioner in residence, and accept walk-in consultation and prescription dispensing while-u-wait.
To be effective, Hydroxychloroquine + Zinc (+antibiotic?) treatment should start as soon as COVID-19 symptoms appear or the infection is suspected or within 48 hours.
This is based on the CDC advice on other antiviral drugs’ use against common flu: “Studies show that flu antiviral drugs work best for treatment when they are started within two days of getting sick” (https://www.cdc.gov/flu/treatment/whatyoushould.htm)
Thus, the states that made it difficult and time consuming to obtain HCQ made the treatment less effective.
Here, you may find this of interest, listen to the first segment with Dr Zelenko. https://adamcarolla.com/ken-jennings/
Thanks it was very informative.
More and more MDs are coming forward on this, the only venues they can get are non-MSM. Wonder why?
Azithromycin is not just an antibiotic, but has some anti-viral effects of its own or synergistic with HCQ. But in HCQ+AZ combination, AZ is probably less harmless than HCQ
You wrote: “Azithromycin is not just an antibiotic, but has some anti-viral effects of its own”
Link please, that an antibiotic also kills virus.
I do not think there is any credible evidence, beyond a mis-understanding that it addresses secondary bacterial infections, hence synergy, but not effect on virus.
It seems there’s a scramble everywhere to try all sorts of drug cures-
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/why-australias-stockpile-of-hydroxychloroquine-may-not-be-useful-in-fighting-covid19/news-story/4b35587772b1494b8aa295ffa88b0036
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/uk-coronavirus-patients-set-to-trial-promising-japanese-made-drug/ar-BB13v8eB
As for “HCQ-based treatments are effective in treating COVID-19, unless started too late.” that may well be true for all these trial drugs. So how do you get hold of infected patients early on with respiratory decline as pneumonia is well known as the ‘silent killer’. (I’m well aware of that after a seemingly well uncle in the morning by lunchtime just wanted to have a lie down and by late evening had died in hospital too late). Well the answer is just like you need a thermometer to check for fever you need a fingertip pulse oximeter to know if your haemoglobin oxygen levels are falling and they’re a cheap item nowadays albeit in scarce supply now as many have woken up to their value for home triage purposes.
That seems to have been lost among all the noise about cures but that’s what they stick on your finger the moment you’re admitted to hospital with respiratory problems-
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11345284/pulse-oximeter-cheap-gadget-lifesaver-coronavirus/
“Well the answer is just like you need a thermometer to check for fever you need a fingertip pulse oximeter to know if your haemoglobin oxygen levels are falling and they’re a cheap item nowadays albeit in scarce supply now as many have woken up to their value for home triage purposes.”
Yes, they cost $30 on Amazon. Sounds like good insurance.
This review should be helpful as we work to understand the best application and dosage of HCQ to administer to patients. The author includes an unofficial peer review:
https://www.randombio.com/hcq2.html
An interesting thought about Hydroxychloroquine cocktail. Lock Hydroxychloroquine down for treatment use then government can continue to lockdown the economy. All the stats presented about deaths do not include treatment provided. Increase bad outcomes by preventing reasonable treatment. Of course reasonable treatment is confounded by blocking study results. A circular government induced trauma.
Sounds like standard operating procedure from my experience in US Army and with USG.
And, to be doubly certain of a really bad outcome, require nursing homes (that have the population most vulnerable to the disease) to accept Covid-19 patients from hospitals.
If we had a functioning, i.e., ethical, news media in the western world today, most of this crap either wouldn’t happen at all, or would be shut down as soon as it was tried. But we don’t, so people die unnecessarily. Put another way, TDS is no longer just a psychological affliction; it’s now getting people killed.
It has been getting people killed, look to our southern border.
The Swamp is trying to stop, a simple cheap, almost 100% effective prevention for Covid.
Large doses of Chloroquine are not necessary and by themselves may be completely useless. Chloroquine needs to be taken with Zinc supplements. It is the Zinc that is shown to stop the covid virus from replicating.
Also do not wait until people are sick. If the virus cannot replicate, it cannot harm the patient.
i.e. Give the Chloroquine and Zinc supplements to the those at risk before they are exposed to Covid.
Chloroquine Is a Zinc Ionophore. Chloroquine enables a small amount of Zinc to enter or cells.
The Zinc makes a molecule in our cells ACE-2 positive and that stops the Covid virus from replicating.
If the Covid virus cannot replicate initially there are no symptoms.
Note Chloroquine by itself is less effective than Chloroquine plus Zinc supplements as most of the population (almost all vegetarians who do not take supplements and the elderly) are Zinc deficientl
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4182877/pdf/pone.0109180.pdf
The tests of Chloroquine need to include activated zinc supplements as that drastically reduces the amount Chloroquine per day that is required and opens up taking it for a longer period of time, as the dosage to get the necessary zinc into our cells is half of the malaria dosage with supplemental Zinc.
How covid replicates in our cells and how Zinc stops the covid virus from replicating as proved in invitro tests.
https://youtu.be/U7F1cnWup9M
William Astley: Large doses of Chloroquine are not necessary and by themselves may be completely useless.
It seems that you are not distinguishing between chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine. Is that so?
Mr. Astley, yes, zinc is the key because it’s the zinc that stops the virus from replicating.
Hydroxychloroquine is a “carrier” molecule, as you stated (it makes the zinc more effective).
On a side note, quinine (which is the natural version of hydroxychloroquine) acts the same way with zinc.
I’m not a doctor and I don’t play one on T. V. , but taking zinc and tonic water may be a preventative for the disease (but you didn’t hear it from me…).
Quercetin (rutin) is also a zinc ionophore. It has in vitro effects against viral replication rather like HQC, but not as strong. Rutin is one of the bioflavaoids, and is available in health-food stores.
Taken with zinc, it may make your cells more resistant to viral replication.
Pat:
Quercetin is in green tea (& green tea extract).
The misrepresentation of Chloroquine sounds illegal: people in positions of authority, with conflict of interest, knowingly withholding information (or making false statements), resulting in death and huge economic devastation to individuals and to the nation. Where is the FBI ?
boffin77
You remarked, “The misrepresentation of Chloroquine sounds illegal: …” That works both ways!
hi Clyde,
I’m always interested in textual ambiguity, so thanks for your brief come-back!
I presume you mean that either NIH is lying, or Goldstein is lying – and both are illegal?
If that’s what you mean, I disagree: the NIH speaks “ex cathedra” and thus their statements influence professional liability of medical practitioners in a way that Goldstein’s statements do not. Thus NIH is rightly held to a much higher standard of stating the truth carefully, and avoiding conflict of interest.
I guess my real point is: if there is a reasonable whiff of conspiracy, where conspiracy would have such a destructive national impact (not to mention global), then the FBI should be draped all over it.
The ‘tests’ for the effectiveness of Chloroquine are fawled.
As noted in my comment above, in vitro tests have shown Zinc stops the virus from replicating by making the ACE-2 molecule slightly positive.
The following doctor had almost perfect results using Chloroquine with Zinc supplements to treat his covid virus patients.
Chloroquine is only required to get the micro amounts of Zinc into our cells. Higher doses of Chloroquine are dangerous and medically unnecessary.
https://techstartups.com/2020/04/03/updates-from-dr-vladimir-zelenko-now-treated-700-coronavirus-patients-with-99-9-success-rate-using-hydroxychloroquine-zinc-sulfate-and-z-pak-1-outpatient-died-after-not-following-protocol-exclusi/
In our ongoing coverage of hydroxychloroquine and how doctors have successfully used the malaria drug to treat coronavirus (COVID-19) patients, we now have new updates from Dr. Vladimir Zelenko. On March 28, we published a follow-up story after Dr. Zelenko, a board-certified family practitioner in New York, treated 699 coronavirus patients with 100% success using Hydroxychloroquine, Zinc Sulfate, and azithromycin (Z-Pak).
William
How about using a zinc compound with greater solubility than zinc sulfate?
What is clear:
Dr. Anthony Fauci is a whore for the pharmaceutical industry.
Skeptical on hydroxychloroquine, even though hundreds of doctors are getting good results with it.
Praising Remdesivir, even though a study showed little improvement in mortality rates, so they moved the goalposts and are now checking whether it “gets patients out of the hospital faster.”
hydroxychloroquine is inexpensive, easy to administer, and widely available.
Remdesivir is expensive ($1000 per dose), hard to administer (requires intravenous admin.) and has more side-effects.
Dr. Fauci works closely with pharmaceutical companies at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID).
Finally, the Association of American Physicians and Surgeons (AAPS) released a report endorsing hydroxychloroquine saying the drug has about a 90% chance of helping COVID-19 patients.
Dr. Fauci, in 2013, was praising hydroxychloroquine for MERS (even though it was only a petri dish study).
So, is it extreme or unfair to call Dr. Fauci a whore for the pharmaceutical industry?
Trump should fire Fauci, but won’t because he can’t “change horses in midstream.”
The MSM would have a field day.
I think “Dr” Fauci is Trump’s shield. Since the media is praising Fauci, it’s useful to keep him.
Remdesivir is free.
Stop lying.
Are you trying to kill people?
This is a nice critique of some critiques.
The prohibition against its use was motivated in part to preserve supplies for people receiving it for auto-immune disease. Are any prohibitions still in effect?
About this: The cardiologists who wrote this article did not dismiss the concern. They explained the science pertaining to it and suggest proper mitigation measures.
Would those measures, on your reading, include continuous cardiac monitoring?
I am eager to read the reports of the clinical trials underway to determine whether it actually makes a difference in COVID-19, a disease which many people infected by SARS CoV-2 do not get, and from which most people recover.
If I remeber well, in one of Dr. Raoults first papers he wrote about ECG control.
Can we have less hedge words, please? They are costing lives in this TDS-infected world. Specifically the ones that declare HCQ to “work by itself, but is MORE effective with zinc.” Or a new cover-your-ass paper that calls HCQ treatment with zinc “A Better Synergy”? What happened to the old synergy? How well does it actually work by itself (for COVID and not the malaria parasite)? Perhaps not at all actually because this “works all by itself” theme carried the wrongful assumption that there is always enough available zinc in the bloodstream to do the real work, perhaps it requires a great deal of it, hence the use of high-uptake zinc sulfate recommended early on with greatest success… but when the chips are down, as they were for those poor veterans who died and later produced the VA “case study”… and in perhaps other trials done in the USA… not enough. HCQ given to to zinc-deficient patients without supplemental zinc may as well be rat poison.
ANY doctor, drug trial, case study, Trump health administrator, Silicon Valley stooge, reporter, anonymous Facebook post or nudist who mentions hydroxychloroquine without mentioning zinc further on in the same sentence is — darkly suspect at this point, of ignorance or worse. At the very least they are helping to spread the deadly narrative that HCQ has indeed been tried, earnestly and properly, in all the cases for which HCQ has been given.
Never before to my knowledge has there ever been a medical treatment whose feelings of positivity or negativity have been polled as a deep divide along strict political party lines.
The presence of available zinc (or its absence) in HCQ discourse, papers or news items is becoming practically indistinguishable from evil. Knowing the mechanism malpractice might exist by not even measuring zinc in HCQ-treated patients. It is my hope that these ‘zincless’ trials will fall under stern and critical scrutiny.
Cite the evidence of zinc deficiency of any patients in the US.
Tell us when the first evidence merged that zinc needed to be added to CQ and HC to be effective?
Shoe us one single shred of evidence the zinc storyline was added to the narrative at the time those veterans were treated.
re: “Tell us when the first evidence merged that zinc needed to be added to CQ and HC to be effective?
The man had another ‘mind transplant’ (change or maybe a ‘memory wipe’) again. I asked him about this before, too …
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/03/20/wuhan-coronavirus-therapies-scientific-background/
“The prohibition against its use was motivated in part to preserve supplies for people receiving it for auto-immune disease. Are any prohibitions still in effect?”
I call B.S. here. You can skip a few doses with auto-immune disease and still live. If some of these doses were rerouted to the soon to be dying and front line workers there would be no real harm done. Even if the above were true it does not justify falsifying the tests and telling people who need it to live that it does not work. The US is almost as bad as China in valuing human life vs political gains.
Think of the people with arthritis is the new think of the children.
MR166: I call B.S. here.
Nevertheless, it was cited by the Gov of Nevada.
A Democrat Governor? That proves it is BS!
Regarding: “HCQ dosage for COVID-19 is the same or lower than for malaria (Drugs.com, 2019).”:
Can someone post a link for me to check out? I wonder who was using HCQ for COVID-19 at a time early enough for drugs.com to make such a statement in 2019? If they did, is it still true, or was the dosage of HCQ for treating COVID-19 increased after they said it? I checked out drugs.com for dosage of this drug, they said last updated November 25 2019, and I saw them only stating dosages for Malaria Prophylaxis, Malaria, Systemic Lupus Erythematosus and Rheumatoid Arthritis.
Donald
You are right on the mark. Why would any thinking person assume that the dosage used for the original purpose, or even later “compassionate uses,” be the optimum dosage for a virus? The dosage for lupus and RA are determined, in part, by the toxicity of HCQ and the need for long-term usage. The typical dosage is a significant fraction of the LD50, which becomes an upper bound. It might be that a lower dosage of HCQ would be adequate if it only acts to make zinc more readily available. On the other hand, it it directly attacks the virus, then maybe a higher dosage would be necessary, and might be tolerated if for a short period of time. The issue is that so many people suffering from cephalo-rectal insertion are jumping on the band wagon without giving any thought to the all the variables in the prescription of an off-label drug for a novel virus. I can only attribute it to desperation and ignorance — like recommending disinfecting ones internals.