Did the Pope say Covid-19 is Nature’s Response to Ignoring Climate Change?

Guest essay by Eric Worrall

The answer is sort of.

I was curious to know if the Pope saw the crisis and the economic devastation it is wreaking as a chance for an ecological conversion, for reassessing priorities and lifestyles. I asked him concretely whether it was possible that we might see in the future an economy that – to use his words – was more “human” and less “liquid”.

Pope Francis: There is an expression in Spanish: “God always forgives, we forgive sometimes, but nature never forgives.” We did not respond to the partial catastrophes. Who now speaks of the fires in Australia, or remembers that 18 months ago a boat could cross the North Pole because the glaciers had all melted? Who speaks now of the floods? I don’t know if these are the revenge of nature, but they are certainly nature’s response.

We have a selective memory. I want to dwell on this point. I was amazed at the seventieth anniversary commemoration of the Normandy landings, which was attended by people at the highest levels of culture and politics. It was one big celebration. It’s true that it marked the beginning of the end of dictatorship, but no one seemed to recall the 10,000 boys who remained on that beach.

When I went to Redipuglia for the centenary of the First World War I saw a lovely monument and names on a stone, but that was it. I cried, thinking of Benedict XV’s phrase inutile strage (“senseless massacre”), and the same happened to me at Anzio on All Souls’ Day, thinking of all the North American soldiers buried there, each of whom had a family, and how any of them might have been me. 

At this time in Europe when we are beginning to hear populist speeches and witness political decisions of this selective kind it’s all too easy to remember Hitler’s speeches in 1933, which were not so different from some of the speeches of a few European politicians now.

What comes to mind is another verse of Virgil’s: [forsan et haec olim] meminisse iubavit[“perhaps one day it will be good to remember these things too”]. We need to recover our memory because memory will come to our aid. This is not humanity’s first plague; the others have become mere anecdotes. We need to remember our roots, our tradition which is packed full of memories. In the Spiritual Exercises of St Ignatius, the First Week, as well as the “Contemplation to Attain Love” in the Fourth Week, are completely taken up with remembering. It’s a conversion through remembrance. 

This crisis is affecting us all, rich and poor alike, and putting a spotlight on hypocrisy. I am worried by the hypocrisy of certain political personalities who speak of facing up to the crisis, of the problem of hunger in the world, but who in the meantime manufacture weapons. This is a time to be converted from this kind of functional hypocrisy. It’s a time for integrity. Either we are coherent with our beliefs or we lose everything.

You ask me about conversion. Every crisis contains both danger and opportunity: the opportunity to move out from the danger. Today I believe we have to slow down our rate of production and consumption (Laudato Si’, 191) and to learn to understand and contemplate the natural world. We need to reconnect with our real surroundings. This is the opportunity for conversion. 

Yes, I see early signs of an economy that is less liquid, more human. But let us not lose our memory once all this is past, let us not file it away and go back to where we were. This is the time to take the decisive step, to move from using and misusing nature to contemplating it. We have lost the contemplative dimension; we have to get it back at this time.

And speaking of contemplation, I’d like to dwell on one point. This is the moment to see the poor. Jesus says we will have the poor with us always, and it’s true. They are a reality we cannot deny. But the poor are hidden, because poverty is bashful. In Rome recently, in the midst of the quarantine, a policeman said to a man: “You can’t be on the street, go home.” The response was: “I have no home. I live in the street.” To discover such a large number of people who are on the margins … And we don’t see them, because poverty is bashful. They are there but we don’t see them: they have become part of the landscape; they are things.

 St Teresa of Calcutta saw them, and had the courage to embark on a journey of conversion. To “see” the poor means to restore their humanity. They are not things, not garbage; they are people. We can’t settle for a welfare policy such as we have for rescued animals. We often treat the poor like rescued animals. We can’t settle for a partial welfare policy.

 I’m going to dare to offer some advice. This is the time to go to the underground. I’m thinking of Dostoyevsky’s short novel, Notes from the Underground. The employees of that prison hospital had become so inured they treated their poor prisoners like things. And seeing the way they treated one who had just died, the one on the bed alongside tells them: “Enough! He too had a mother!” We need to tell ourselves this often: that poor person had a mother who raised him lovingly. Later in life we don’t know what happened. But it helps to think of that love he once received through his mother’s hope.

We disempower the poor. We don’t give them the right to dream of their mothers. They don’t know what affection is; many live on drugs. And to see them can help us to discover the piety, the pietas, which points towards God and towards our neighbour.

Go down into the underground, and pass from the hyper-virtual, fleshless world to the suffering flesh of the poor. This is the conversion we have to undergo. And if we don’t start there, there will be no conversion. 

I’m thinking at this time of the saints who live next door. They are heroes: doctors, volunteers, religious sisters, priests, shop workers – all performing their duty so that society can continue functioning. How many doctors and nurses have died! How many religious sisters have died! All serving … What comes to my mind is something said by the tailor, in my view one of the characters with greatest integrity in The Betrothed. He says: “The Lord does not leave his miracles half-finished.” If we become aware of this miracle of the next-door saints, if we can follow their tracks, the miracle will end well, for the good of all. God doesn’t leave things halfway. We are the ones who do that.

What we are living now is a place of metanoia (conversion), and we have the chance to begin. So let’s not let it slip from us, and let’s move ahead.

Read more: https://www.thetablet.co.uk/features/2/17845/pope-francis-says-pandemic-can-be-a-place-of-conversion-

.His holiness ideas for degrowth would devastate the poor. Modern prosperity gives us choices. Many of us might give to charities, because we can afford to give, but that generosity would dry up real quick if our own families didn’t have enough to eat.

Forced degrowth would remove those choices, we would all be limited to the choices poor people face. All except a very few.

The past has no answers for the poor. For most of human history the poor lived harsh lives and died young, their bodies broken by endless toil.

Today some poor people still slip through the net, but most, at least in wealthy countries, most poor people receive a level of care and help unimaginable even a hundred years ago.

It is in the future we will find a solution for poverty, by building on the successes of today.

Imagine a future of automation and unlimited consumption, where nobody goes hungry or is alone, unless they want some privacy. A future overflowing with enough wealth to satisfy the needs of everyone. A future of achievement and mastery over nature, of leisure and contemplation or excitement and joy, where disease and hunger and perhaps even old age are things of the past.

This is a future worth building.

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Andy Espersen
April 9, 2020 8:09 pm

But really, nothing, but nothing, has changed with the appearance of this virus. The basic question must be, “What risks are we facing now that we weren’t facing before?” . We have always stood the risk of dying from accident or illness some time before dying of old age. We must not become spell-bound, scared and hysterical by big numbers of fatalities. As Kierkegaard drily points out, we only die one death each – and we all have to go through that.

If completely ignored, i.e. without any lock-downs whatsoever, this epidemic would run its course as always. As it happens, the nature of this particular virus, apparently mostly fatal only to old people with preexisting medical conditions, would just cause a spike in natural death rates this year – followed by a significant drop below average over the following few years.

So what?

Andy Espersen
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 9, 2020 10:47 pm

Eric – With all due respect to Lord Monckton, enough data and statistics are simply not available yet for anybody to be able to say with any certainty whether or not “this disease is far worse than the flu”. I suggest we may have to wait a year or two before that question can be confidently answered.

I would be more interested in a response to my philosophical comment. That is actually more relevant for us in our dealings with the pandemic at this moment : “Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day’s own trouble be sufficient for the day” (Matthew, 6.37).

Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 10, 2020 3:59 am

“ The prudent sees danger and hides himself, but the simple go on and suffer for it.” Proverbs 22:3
Perhaps, but like everything it all depends:
“God himself helps those who dare” Ovid
“Man is affected not by events but by the view he takes of them” Seneca
“There is no greater folly in the world than for a man to despair” Miguel de Cervantes
“Striving to better, oft we mar what’s well” Shakespeare
“He who dares wins” SAS motto
I’m not suggesting being reckless under the current circumstances but we have narrowed focus sharply down onto fixing a single problem. In aviation this type of thinking (fixation) has precipitated a few disasters because the tunnel vision had screened out all other inputs that were demanding attention. We are definitely between a rock and a hard place, because, especially in our efforts to save the NHS, we are destroying many wealth creating businesses that provide the surplus wealth that pays for the NHS, while at the same time storing up future health problems caused by this approach that we and the NHS will be tasked to deal with.

Andy Espersen
Reply to  Eric Worrall
April 10, 2020 4:26 am

The death rate of a number of admitted patients to a hospital is of course meaningless on its own. You get a true death rate only in a case such as the cruise ship Diamond Princess, with a known number of people, contained together from the beginning of the outbreak. That said, yes – Covid 19 is a very nasty illness for many.

Reply to  Andy Espersen
April 10, 2020 8:53 am

Andy,
Don’t be ridiculous. Willis’s graph of April 6, available on the WUWT banner page, shows most countries exceeded their annual Flu death rate in the first 30 days. So far more virulent than the flu is a broadly accurate statement.

Andy Espersen
Reply to  DMacKenzie
April 10, 2020 1:51 pm

DMacKenzie – Far more virulent?? Absolutely yes.

But we were discussing the true fatality rate. My guess is that it will many more months before we can know that with any degree of certainty.

J Mac
April 9, 2020 8:11 pm

“Nature doesn’t forgive…” because nature is not a self-aware sentient being. Yet this pope talks like ‘nature’ is sentient and he seems to worship it. Is this a return to paganism, for the Catholic church?

Walt D.
April 9, 2020 8:19 pm

From the Latin Vulgate Isaiah 32.6
stultus enim fatua loquetur
Seem appropriate for this Pope.

Walter Sobchak
April 9, 2020 8:24 pm

Word salad. The guy is losing it.

I would like to be a fly on the wall when he meets Joe Biden.

Reply to  Walter Sobchak
April 9, 2020 10:23 pm

LOL
The comment of the day!
Thank you Walter

Rich Davis
Reply to  Walter Sobchak
April 11, 2020 6:40 pm

Lol imagine having to be the translator!
Blah blah woof woof
Dog faced pony soldier

observa
April 9, 2020 8:36 pm

Don’t ever let a chance go by to pile on with the subsidy mining and the rivers of Green-
https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/company-news/power-chief-pushes-home-battery-stimulus-to-aid-virus-recovery/ar-BB12nYvy

Megs
Reply to  observa
April 10, 2020 9:27 pm

observa the push for wind and solar and now batteries in Australia is unbelievable! We import most of it so the jobs are limited, even the installation of solar renewables is done mostly by backpackers and those projects are short term. And we still don’t have any full recycling industry in Australia, just a growing toxic waste problem.

The government has got to wake up and stop subsidising this industry, There is little money being made by Australians, the bulk of the money is going to overseas investment. The overseas developers sell the completed projects to other overseas concerns. Through subsidies we are sending our taxpayers dollars out of the country at a rapid rate.

It’s the same as having to subsidise the ABC with our own taxes when the majority of us don’t want it. The ABC may not have commercials, but it’s become one big overgrown commercial for socialism!

Mervyn
April 9, 2020 9:14 pm

How come this Pope is so very ignorant?

I guess its just far easier to blame ‘climate change’ than be critical of China regarding its gross negligence over its mishandling the coronavirus, which then uncontrollably spread around the world.

Mr Reynard
April 9, 2020 9:55 pm

Bush-fires in Aus ?? I live in Aus & I know, that about 200 persons got arrested for starting bush-fires ??
Any follow up on those arrests in the media ?? Nope . Some of those firebugs were wannabe ISIS Muslims, some Greenies Global warming advocates & a few just mentally retarded ??
This is WHY no media reports ?
BTW anything coming from that Satan’s spawn.a.k.a. Francis, is to be treated as a putrid crap !

Larry in Texas
April 9, 2020 10:29 pm

As a Catholic, I am appalled by this talk and all of its quasi-Marxist, quasi-animist nonsense. It was the kind of speech I was afraid he was going to be capable of giving when he was elected Pope. And he has actually done little in the way of the kinds of internal, spiritual reforms that have been needed in the wake of the priest/child abuse scandal. The Church will have to survive this nonsense and understand that the kind of help the poor need is the kind they really got from Mother Theresa in Calcutta, not the so-called “welfare” help of any government.

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Larry in Texas
April 10, 2020 12:59 am

Larry I sympathise. I am a lapsed catholic because I observed that Catholicism itself is lapsing into paganism. One of the reasons I left.

Centre-leftist
April 9, 2020 10:35 pm

Speaking of nature, the following is a quote from the latest journal of the same name: “Here we [Trisos, Megow and Pigot] use annual projections (from 1850 to 2100) of temperature and precipitation across the ranges of more than 30,000 marine and terrestrial species to estimate the timing of their exposure to potentially dangerous climate conditions.”

It would seem that the Pope is not the only one who thinks they’re channelling a higher authority on climate change. Possibly Big Al?

What model could accurately compute 80 years of climate projections over the range of 30,000 species on land and at sea? This has to be a matter of misplaced faith, for it certainly isn’t science.

Rod Evans
April 9, 2020 11:19 pm

Anyone who imagines there are glaciers in or around the North Pole has a vivid imagination and is best regarded as a dreamer, he certainly has little to no understanding of reality.
I will leave it there.

Alasdair Fairbairn
Reply to  Rod Evans
April 10, 2020 1:27 am

Rod Evans:
This could be a mistranslation or a typo. The Italian for glacier Ghiacciaio. For ice it is Ghiaccio.

John Endicott
Reply to  Alasdair Fairbairn
April 10, 2020 8:58 am

Even being generous and assuming it was a mistranslation (I suspect it wasn’t, he is that ignorant of the science that he professes to believe in), he said 18 months ago the “ice” had all melted. 18 months ago was the Oct/Nov timeframe – that’s winter at the north pole – a time when the Ice is *growing*, not melting. He has no clue about the scientific facts.

yarpos
April 10, 2020 12:18 am

With all due respect, the man is an idiot

Ed Zuiderwijk
April 10, 2020 12:37 am

Il papa has gone gaga.

Someone ought to explain to him the real message of the parable of the Good Samaritan. He could be Good because he was rich. A poor man could not be a good samaritan even if he wanted to, for lack of resources.

Alasdair Fairbairn
Reply to  Ed Zuiderwijk
April 10, 2020 1:21 am

Ed Zuiderwiijk:
Yes indeed a very good point often forgotten.

mikewaite
April 10, 2020 12:37 am

I am not a Catholic and I consider the present Pope to be ignorant of the processes at play in the natural world and childishly gullible with regard to politics and economics . However , unlike all the other responses above I thought that the address by the Pope showed a gentle compassion for those less fortunate than some of us which was truly Christian and made me reconsider my previous opinions about the man inside the cloth.
I am beginning to think that at heart he is a good and touchingly simple man, led astray by colleagues with more devious motives.

Chm
Reply to  mikewaite
April 10, 2020 2:32 am

Strange predictions !
Apocalypse riders
After the “pale rider”, the “Collective mission” !

John Endicott
Reply to  mikewaite
April 10, 2020 9:02 am

I thought that the address by the Pope showed a gentle compassion for those less fortunate

Shame then, that the anti-human globalist policies he advocates are far from compassionate for those less fortunate. Best not to judge him by the lip-service he gives, but by the actions he supports.

April 10, 2020 1:20 am

“I’m thinking at this time of the saints who live next door. They are heroes: doctors, volunteers, religious sisters, priests, shop workers – all performing their duty so that society can continue functioning.”
Heroes indeed. But society has been instructed to stop. Society is not functioning.

Kone Wone
April 10, 2020 1:33 am

Will no one rid us of this turbulent priest?

Ed Zuiderwijk
Reply to  Kone Wone
April 10, 2020 2:40 am

What do you suggest? Is this a dagger I see before me?

April 10, 2020 3:15 am

“St Teresa of Calcutta saw them (the poor), and had the courage to embark on a journey of conversion. To “see” the poor means to restore their humanity.”
That ended up as ‘helping’ them die without the application of life saving medicines. With Saints like that who needs doctors?
When Pope John Paul was shot did he go straight to the Vatican to prey or straight to a hospital?

M__ S__
April 10, 2020 4:36 am

Pretty much every time he opens his mouth P. Francis affirms how flawed the system for choosing popes is.

Rich Davis
Reply to  M__ S__
April 11, 2020 6:52 pm

I would not discount the wrath of God scourging the bride of Christ (his church).
Doesn’t she deserve it? Consider the past 70 years of abuse of innocents.

Craig Rogers
April 10, 2020 5:56 am

Counterfeit Christianity, Babylon the Great the world empire of false religion, is going to be destroyed by Jehovah using the governments which will happen immediately after the say “Peace and Security” .
1 These 5:2 For you yourselves know very well that Jehovah’s* daya is coming exactly as a thief in the night.b 3 Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them,c just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape.

How this unique cry of Peace and Security comes about could be speculated, it will happen, the nations will rejoice in thinking a real peace has occurred.

in 1017 languages
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/babylon-the-great/

John the Econ
April 10, 2020 6:04 am

“The past has no answers for the poor”.

Brilliant.

Goldrider
Reply to  John the Econ
April 10, 2020 8:21 am

Even Jesus said “the poor will always be with us.” Most poverty today is a cocktail of low IQ, failure to form intact families, addiction, crime and lack of ability to defer gratification. In short, poverty results from a failure of understanding that actions (or the lack of them) have consequences in a direct causal chain.

The numbers of “poor” were self-limiting until we started subsidizing and encouraging trained helplessness and government dependency. What you see is the result.

Jeffery P
April 10, 2020 6:08 am

This Pope is a neo-Marxist. I really miss Pope John Paul II, who spoke with real moral authority and clarity.

Carl Friis-Hansen
Reply to  Jeffery P
April 10, 2020 8:32 am

Agree, one if Pope John Poul II’s quotes:

Let us remember the past with gratitude, live the present with enthusiasm, and look forward to the future with confidence.

Megs
Reply to  Carl Friis-Hansen
April 10, 2020 9:57 pm

This is what the socialists have taken from us, I’m tempted to say ‘how dare they’, but I am quite serious about this statement. They have sucked the joy out of life, and from a place of ignorance. They prefer to believe propaganda and the drama that goes with it than to do some research of their own.

I would prefer to live life along the lines of the quote that you shared Carl, and you don’t need to be religious to follow that advice.

April 10, 2020 7:02 am

He is an anti-pope. Benedict’s abdication is invalid and he is still the pope. Anti-pope Francis allows demonically inspired pachamama pagan rituals as part of a Latin mass. So it’s no surprise he invokes the will of his goddess Gaia.

April 10, 2020 8:02 am

The marxist takeover of the Catholic Church is complete. Marx is taking confessions now.

Derek
April 10, 2020 8:36 am

Idris Elba says coronavirus is ‘planet’s response to taking a kicking’ as he chats to Oprah
https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/idris-elba-coronavirus-planet-response-in-oprah-chat-a4394156.html

John Endicott
April 10, 2020 8:48 am

or remembers that 18 months ago a boat could cross the North Pole because the glaciers had all melted?

1) there hasn’t been glaciers at the North Pole to melt, Glaciers form on Land, the North Pole is (at this present period of history) at sea. Glaciers didn’t melt there because they don’t form there (not for millions of years, at least, as that’s how long back you have to go for there to be a landmass at the North Pole for a glacier to form on).
2) no boats were crossing an ice free the North Pole then or at any other time. The occasional ice breaker might cross that way, but that requires breaking the ice as it goes.
3) 18 months ago was October/November 2018, that’s the winter. The Ice was growing, not melting then.

I hate to say it, but this Pope is an idiot. He “believes in science” but doesn’t know anything about science. I pity my Catholic friends who have to put up with his “leadership”.

Neo
April 10, 2020 9:28 am

Genesis 1:28

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

n.n
Reply to  Neo
April 10, 2020 10:47 am

A separation of logical domains. According to this ancient philosophy, an extra-universal entity, “God”, ordered our operational space, and it is our responsibility to observe and understand the chaos (“evolution”) that persists, and order it to improve our standing (e.g. our Posterity). To this end, a religion (“ethics”) or behavioral protocol was defined to normalize reconciliation and fitness. So-called secular sects have their faiths, philosophers, religions (e.g. laws, ethics), and traditions, too.

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